aegis is the way for your first complete run i think
#h1-discussion
thick root
Am I supposed to use the chaos aspect on the shield to get chaos to tell me the hidden aspect?
deep grotto
if i remember correctly i had the zeus aspect on when they told me
reef zodiac
You don’t need chaos aspect
thick root
Darn it he just isnt giving me the dialogue I'm tired of doing completion runs with the shield and chaos egg :(
heavy sigil
what duo boons should i be looking for with zeus shield
and with zeus’ boons as well if it works well like that
deep grotto
Darn it he just isnt giving me the dialogue I'm tired of doing completion runs w...
i just died on purpose to get specific dialouges while unlocking the hidden aspects (expect for fists because i might as well finish the run after going that far tartarus lol)
heavy sigil
how useful is ambrosia
like im thinking about trading it all for titans blood bc im inpatient and want upgraded aspects
heavy sigil
alr thanks
latent moon
like im thinking about trading it all for titans blood bc im inpatient and want ...
the ambrosia's just gonna be useful for late game stuff, which you'll need a decent amount of, but tbh not all of them are too important
heavy sigil
o
but in the late game i can just trade for a lot of it right
so it rlly isnt important to hold on to it
welp too late tho cuz i traded it all
reef zodiac
You only need 12 ambrosia total
1 for Meg
1 for Sisyphus or Skelly (so you can use battie on Hades)
10 to max out Meg summon
thick root
i just died on purpose to get specific dialouges while unlocking the hidden aspe...
So die and die until you get the chaos gate in the first room them go to the chaos in the first room when you do get it and try for the dialogue, give up if you don't get it, right?
reef zodiac
I wouldn’t do that
latent moon
idk the trade conversion to get ambrosia, but if you want to unlock aspects and level them up, it's fine to do
reef zodiac
That’s 100% gonna be slower
thick root
Would it be though once you get the gate in the first room
Cus then its just giving up
latent moon
i'm pretty hitting pause then giving up still keeps the same seed for the run
deep grotto
So die and die until you get the chaos gate in the first room them go to the cha...
yeah basically, i did that for lucifer aspect which was easier since i needed to talk to zeus
deep grotto
i'm pretty hitting pause then giving up still keeps the same seed for the run
yeah thats right
u need to die or clear a run
latent moon
if you change your keepsake would that change the seed or would it just be the starting boon but everything else afterward would still be the same
i've never tried that, just something i thought of just now
reef zodiac
Cus then its just giving up
You’ll get the same dialogue I’m pretty sure
This is a very slow strategy
Just play normally and take chaos
latent moon
play normally up until the boss fight in elysium, and die there if you want to start your next run to find chaos or keep going if you think you have a good boon set
deep grotto
You only need 12 ambrosia total
1 for Meg
1 for Sisyphus or Skelly (so you can u...
i gave one to charon hahahha
iron oyster
Just play normally and take chaos
Play level 1 guan yu and die repeatedly
Get 2 shot
Or just crank heat up like mad
thick root
I always keep going for a completion if I've passed tatarus cus I need that titan blood and the next heat
iron oyster
Not necessary
Faster than doing normal runs and looking for chaos
reef zodiac
Takes way longer to die, respawn, run through the entire house of hades, and start a new run than it takes to clear an average room
By a lot
iron oyster
They’re not even guaranteed to give you the line
thick root
you're not guaranteed to get a gate early when you die and restart though
iron oyster
Ig if you’re lucky and do runs and always get room 1 chaos
reef zodiac
Exactly
reef zodiac
Ig if you’re lucky and do runs and always get room 1 chaos
??????
thick root
I wish chaos egg guaranteed a room 1 chaos :(
iron oyster
I wish chaos egg guaranteed a room 1 chaos :(
I wish too
thick root
I'm questioning whether beowulf is even worth all this effort lol
reef zodiac
I’m pretty sure room 1 chaos is a thing
Yes but nobody “is just lucky and always gets room 1 chaos”
That’s literally not how it works
thick root
it sucks that chaos just has 0 dialogues in like half of his gates, like don't you think you're forgetting something important in your dialogue pool chaos?
reef zodiac
You’re sure you didn’t already get it right?
iron oyster
Yes but nobody “is just lucky and always gets room 1 chaos”
I actually did get 3 room 1 chaoses in a row
thick root
nope
reef zodiac
I actually did get 3 room 1 chaoses in a row
Good for you
iron oyster
it sucks that chaos just has 0 dialogues in like half of his gates, like don't y...
“I could tell him about the waking phrase of a powerful weapon… or I could talk about my boons for the 2000th time”
reef zodiac
And you have Guan Yu + 5 blood invested in shield?
thick root
Yeah got guan yu revealed only and 10+ blood invested in Zeus aspect
reef zodiac
Yeah then just unlucky
iron oyster
Yeah then just unlucky
Bad rng
deep grotto
youll get it in your next run believe me
quasi tendon
is there any way to see how many fish you've caught?
reef zodiac
Yes
sinful swift
hi
modern hull
Is beowulf even worth it? :(
slim geyser
yes
modern hull
Do you think if I bring their egg to the Hades fight so they think its funny then can they give it to me 
deep grotto
The best aspect in the game?
i suck at that aspect, any tips?
i usually perform well with the other aspects of aegis too
deep grotto
Do you think if I bring their egg to the Hades fight so they think its funny the...
they can maybe kill hades for you as well
twin thistle
beo build: flood flare, deadly strike, mirage shot. focus poms on cast, grab cast dmg/more bloodstones from chaos/wells. charged shot hammer is your best friend. dash strike into bullrushes and only load as many casts as you need to kill something
reef zodiac
i suck at that aspect, any tips?
i usually perform well with the other aspects o...
Great advice from UnAnanas. Other thing worth mentioning is that you should make sure to rebind cast to a shoulder button if you’re on controller
deep grotto
kbm :(
reef zodiac
Well then a KBM player could maybe tell you if you should rebind
I’ve never played KBM Hades
Just make sure you can cast while charging bull rush
deep grotto
i like to press cast before bull rush whether i have one or not
reef zodiac
Don’t
deep grotto
when playing beo
reef zodiac
Casting during the rush/while charging is better
reef zodiac
You can
reef zodiac
Btw, Beo has a lot of bugs/quirks worth knowing
Here’s my bug doc if you’re interested
https://docs.google.com/document/d/12CDUZVhVIqKtDbQYPS1-4nZEm4pVQm4QG8BxHkquWDQ/edit
Also this is the block radius
twin thistle
beo funi
deep grotto
is that supposed to be unsymmetrical lol
reef zodiac
Yes
deep grotto
oh okay
twin thistle
you hold it on right side so block more right 👍
gray apex
Default cast on kbm is fine
iron oyster
Default cast on kbm is fine
You can just right click during the rush charge
deep grotto
yeah yeah its not like rocket league combos plus you get used to the specific aspect/build youre using by the end of tartarus
devout terrace
https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/w9BMTSbpdoBzMKoZzXktGvout403NY2lkjo...
Has 10% extra damage tho so its balanced
thick root
youll get it in your next run believe me
Completed another run but chaos had no dialogue 😭
deep grotto
im sorry😭 😭
glacial briar
Has anyone here brought the autograph from Asterius for Hypnos?
I tried but Hypnos is often not in his place
honest current
I want a spoiler
the last... Idk the exact name in english but... when u first give nectar to a character they give u some kind of relic... The last relic is given by Hades? Because I have given to all characters (including Hades) and I only have 1 left... Tho I think I havent met one character
glacial briar
I want a spoiler
||Yes, it is from Hades,called sigil of death. You have to give him 2 nectar.||
honest current
Tysm
deep grotto
i cant make that transition at all, its just plain dialouge, do i need 10 complete runs?
mint coral
Yeah need the credits first then dialogue
modern hull
Chaos finally mentiond my shield they can give me the waking phrase any run now
polar root
wet knoll
supergiant need to take a page out of dead cells book
and start making dlc
i will pay for that
oak ibex
They have stated time and time again that they won't make DLC. And personally, I'm fine with that: Hades is an amazing game on its own
oak ibex
Well, I get your sentiment, but I'm also on the party of "the game is super replayable anyway and the devs need a well-deserved break"
wet knoll
i mean its been like
mint coral
I mean there is balance and the fact the story is done
mint coral
And i want to wait for whatever new thibg they have offer (even if i want them to return to Pyre)
shell loom
Can i play hades on Linux?
candid sparrow
Does the Lyre change tones as I get closer to 210?
glacial briar
I hope there would be more things to purchase from the house contractor
I've got too much gemstones 
oak ibex
Does the Lyre change tones as I get closer to 210?
If you mean by less dissonant and much more pleasant sounding, yes
idle gate
icy knoll
that's true
candid sparrow
No idea why I'm having the best luck with fists.
Blade: 1, Spear: 0, Shield: 0, Bow: 2, Rail: 1. Fists: 5. Wat.
umbral parrot
https://streamable.com/gt6dfv
Which spear is that? 
Or is that even the spear? I cant see
pure solar
It looks like a shield because of the bull rush but idk 
umbral parrot
Shield? The shield can do that much damage?
mint coral
Hidden aspect of shield is dumb 
pure solar
Oh definitely
gray apex
Ideally Artemis but either can work
umbral parrot
Also, I noticed that every run with Hera i get a hammer first
not a boon
Is there a reason for that?
gray apex
rng
fresh steppe
yeah sometimes rng is rough like that
gray apex
Hammer start isn't bad on most weapons
So it's ok
And you get your boon a few chambers later anyway
slim geyser
Hammer start isn't bad on most weapons
unless you get hammer started thrice and they all dont have dedge
oak ibex
Pro gamer move /hj
signal aspen
600 hours and still no sub 5 wtf game
twin thistle
not even over 1000 
signal aspen
how many hours did you think i had
reef zodiac
I have over 1000
umbral parrot
unless you get hammer started thrice and they all dont have dedge <:bouldy:52332...
What does thrice mean? 
umbral parrot
I dont think that is a word..
scarlet barn
Hey everyone! I hope you have a great day!
Question. How do i transfer my ps4 save to ps5?
I transfered all my saves and yet, i cant find my hades save file
quaint violet
Picked up Hades on a steam sale. I love this game. It's brilliant.
reef zodiac
@umbral parrot flurry is really good but serrated actually makes it a lot worse. Makes your dash strikes much slower and makes it so it’s harder to empty dash if you need i-frames
Plus flurry makes your attacks and dash strikes super fast so serrated does basically nothing anyway
umbral parrot
Idk, i didnt really feel anything different with empty dashes
And i just picked serrated because i thought it would be nice to have borh
umbral parrot
umbral parrot
You got the win that’s what matters
Yes! Interestingly i can get a clear very very easier with achilles spear now
reef zodiac
That’s awesome
Achilles with flurry jab is super good
Btw, Artemis attack is generally better than Aphrodite attack for flurry jab Achilles
umbral parrot
Well, Im picking Lady Aphrodite’s attack boon for the honor of Nyaanyaa
And its working pretty well, i do know artemis is pretty good though
Its just that aphrodite gives so much attack damage
150%+
reef zodiac
Artemis actually makes much better use of the +150% raging rush bonus
Since crit is multiplicative
While Aphrodite +% is additive
umbral parrot
I am also trying to learn to play with the bow and rail, but so far i havent gotten to beat the heroes yet
reef zodiac
What aspects do you use
reef zodiac
Hera is nice
Pretty simple to use
Struggles a bit with bossing though, without quick reload
umbral parrot
I also use hestia on rail
reef zodiac
Bestia 
umbral parrot
Idk which one is harder, but both will definitely need some training..
oblique isle
high island
Requirements for each of the hidden aspects are pinned in #h1-story-discussion.
quaint violet
who else pets cerebus every single time?
icy knoll
is god's legacy good for beo
raw herald
Just take common
twin thistle
just dunk them poms
dreamy slate
does demeter get non winter boons after the real end of the game?
it would make sense
kinda
reef zodiac
No
dreamy slate
missed opportunity
reef zodiac
Nah that would suck
signal aspen
ok but what if demeter can get some actually good boons
slim geyser
Demeter being good? in this economy?
reef zodiac
That would be cool but the idea of a god changing their boons when you get an ending would be really bad imo
slim geyser
wish she changed her design though
signal aspen
what if they added boons to her boon pool
twin thistle
grandma slow at getting around to unmess up the weather
reef zodiac
what if they added boons to her boon pool
That would be very bad
twin thistle
very pog
reef zodiac
Now if you want snow burst, you should play on a file that hasn’t gotten a 10th clear
slim geyser
make sure to make them non pomabble and non sellable like half of her boons
signal aspen
and make all of them look similar so you might accidentally pick the wrong boon
solid oak
I like Demeter being a frosty grandma :C
dreamy slate
That would be cool but the idea of a god changing their boons when you get an en...
not talking about completly changing the boons but redesigning them
it would make sense in the lore
reef zodiac
If it at all changes how they function, then my point stands
reef zodiac
But they make enemies cold
signal aspen
then make the enemies hot
dreamy slate
then she would make them burn
signal aspen
same thing tbh
dreamy slate
not changing anything besides the looks
twin thistle
freezing and being on fire very similar
tawdry fossil
What main things should I try to achieve to 100% the game, aside from the minor things(like maxing every keepsake)? I finished the epilogue, bought a lot of decor for the house, finished all the romances, finished the storylines for all the story rooms, unlocked every keepsake, got a few ranks from that wretch in Hades room, pretty much everything I can think of. What other things should I try to achieve for 100%?
the games getting stale fast now
reef zodiac
then she would make them burn
How does fire make enemies slower
solid oak
Slower because they're . . . burning in pain?
reef zodiac
That’s stupid
solid oak
Plot-wise I really don't think Frosty Grandma would become summer-y for a long, long time. Takes forever to get over what she went through y'know? 
icy knoll
What main things should I try to achieve to 100% the game, aside from the minor ...
32 heat is the big one
warm nimbus
or even better... the appearance of demeters boons changes depending on the time of year
i never get grasp when i play hera but ofc whenever i dont i always get it
oh well
reef zodiac
Shot is also great
Also if you use bone hourglass you can get a lot of of cast damage/bloodstones stacked up from wells as well
dusky thorn
dont you guys love having the game off sequence so you have to then die over and over to re-sequence the game so you can finally unlock hidden aspects
twin thistle
reef zodiac
What
twin thistle
just win over and over
reef zodiac
Off sequence?
dusky thorn
that just off sequences the game more
dusky thorn
Off sequence?
example
hades just now talking to you about pact of punishment, when youre up to heat 10 runs
reef zodiac
Cope?
Really not a big issue lol
Only time it’s annoying is if you’re waiting for Nyx to unlock the other side of the mirror
dusky thorn
not no cope this off sequence chaos refuses to talk to me about the waking phrase
and hes already a rare find
devs pls make cosmic egg increase chaos gate rate
dusky thorn
ive gone 10 back to back runs chaosless
all the way to hades
not a single gate or thing that guarantees a gate from the well
dusky thorn
what i doubt is if chaos even wants to help me escape this place anymore
warm nimbus
Shot is also great
(i got shot as well on the same boon)
reef zodiac
What’s the %
warm nimbus
?
reef zodiac
31% 
reef zodiac
Second lowest possible number
warm nimbus
indeed
reef zodiac
Seems about right
twin thistle
well if we include other global/cast dmg sources
warm nimbus
shhhhhh
reef zodiac
True, FF
warm nimbus
i never get grasp when i play hera but ofc whenever i dont i always get it
haha quick reload in same run!1!!1! very funny game!11!!1!11!
reef zodiac
Quick reload pog
warm nimbus
not as pog when its not a cast build :(
warm nimbus
lmao
in fact quite literally the only thing i would use it for is a small damage buff while its still in the enemy
reef zodiac
Yeah it’s very bad on other weapons
warm nimbus
finally got guan yu dialogue :D
dusky thorn
whats the optimal way to play lucifer aspect
my tired brain cant work rn so all i do is stare at people as i lazer them
works all the way to elysium, where i effectively get mauled by asterius
wind violet
super soaker :D
reef zodiac
Super soaker is a great option if you don’t like doing damage
reef zodiac
Playing AP2 RI2 50 heat Hestia and instead of trying to get a decent attack boon, I’m trying to get rid of the garbage ones I keep getting stuck with so I can have my shackle damage back
In Tartarus it was Ares, in Asphodel it was Dionysus
Can’t wait to see what Elysium has in store
NO WAY
TEMPEST STRIKE
LMAOOOOO
I better win this run
Just out of spite
Nope
4-sacked
Insane
This run had the worst RNG I’ve ever seen
That was insane
umbral parrot
Only time it’s annoying is if you’re waiting for Nyx to unlock the other side of...
When
reef zodiac
Wym
umbral parrot
I didnt know there was another side
pure solar
Huh, I really hate EM Champions. I like EM Lernie because its more compact.
reef zodiac
I like EM Lernie for speed
But high heat he’s a real nightmare
Way too much going on
lost widget
every run is guaranteed 2 hammers right? no more, no less?
gray apex
every run is guaranteed 2 hammers right? no more, no less?
It’s not fully guaranteed you can still miss the second hammer in some runs but it’s very rare
Also you can get a third through the anvil but it’s random and you have no control over it
sweet pivot
When was the last time y'all lost in thanatos's game ?
reef zodiac
Sometimes I think EM Lernie is harder than EM Champions
And then I lose a really good run to them and remember they’re actually stupid hard
Damn it
Asterius charge hits for over 70 damage LMAO
That’s just unnecessary
twin thistle
when asterius decides to cooperate and champs feel easy then next run its infinite bullrushes
reef zodiac
He won’t stop 
I honestly feel like EM FO2 charge is genuinely just too fast
Like is it even always avoidable?
Are there situations where it’s literally impossible to dodge?
twin thistle
reef zodiac
I guess you can dash through him?
twin thistle
just be big brain and think 84 steps ahead
reef zodiac
It’s just nuts how fast that attack is. And then they made it hit nearly twice as hard as anything else
twin thistle
problem with hl5 and patty rng is that bosses feel easy when you get through without taking hp damage but then when you actually take hp damage and have just sd and no patty you realize that acorn is actually more than half your health
reef zodiac
And I’m playing Hestia with AP2 RI2 so I rarely can even bring Acorn
high island
HL5 EM3 can sometimes kill you in two hits if you don't have Acorn.
reef zodiac
If those hits are bull rush, then it’s actually pretty common
twin thistle
acorn is crutch. embrace skull earring 
reef zodiac
Yeah can’t really afford that one either
Also I don’t play at heat nearly high enough where I’m forced into that
Thankfully
reef zodiac
Man I gotta start playing better getting Patty
A non-tempest % attack boon would also go a long way
With above average RNG I can definitely get this
tender cedar
i know its subjective but i wanna hear opinions.. do you guys play the game with controller or keyboard & mouse
fresh steppe
kbm
gray apex
kbm
reef zodiac
I play with controller
gray apex
There are top players with both so it’s just preference
For both high heat and speedrunning
reef zodiac
Gave it a lot of thought. But decided that since I’m on PS5 and it’s impossible to play with KBM controller was probably gonna be my best bet
slim geyser
i know its subjective but i wanna hear opinions.. do you guys play the game with...
controller
started playing on xbox and got used to it
reef zodiac
HL5 Slugger dracons hit for 28 per projectile. Just a fun fact
gray apex
I like that fact
reef zodiac
BP4 dracons 
tender cedar
okay thanks, so its just preference.. cool
sweet pivot
Wish I could date Sisyphus he kinda hot
reef zodiac
low socket
hey does anyone have a save file thats just up to unlocking all the weapons with cthonic keys?
gray apex
hey does anyone have a save file thats just up to unlocking all the weapons with...
You could ask Swan in #h1-tech-support, I remember them saying they have some saves with certain progress points, used to give them to people who lost progress due to save corruption etc
low socket
ohh thanks so much, yeah im facing the exact situation with my files being corrupted
hollow hazel
I can't even beat the final boss anymore, unless I'm completely carried. Man, like, I could always lower the difficulty but it feels like I'm just taking steps further and further back and handicapping myself more and more and I shouldn't have to do that. I didn't need to do that before I took a break for a few months and I shouldn't need to now. I should just be able to beat him. I used to be able to beat him way more often, and now it's just constant misery and I don't want to play the game anymore, and like. It's so disappointing. I'm like, just so disappointed in myself.
I guess that's the problem with being a naturally competitive person 
it's so dang hard to meet your own expectations lol
reef zodiac
You’re not using EM4 are you
hollow hazel
I don't think so. That's the one that changes the bosses right?
reef zodiac
Yeah
hollow hazel
I only have that set to 2 But Lernie still does a heckuva a lot of damage to me lol
reef zodiac
EM4 makes Hades much harder
hollow hazel
I sort of hate his EM version. It's so small and cramped
reef zodiac
Are you using Routine Inspection, Approval Process, Jury Summons, or Calisthenics Program?
(Mirror talents disabled, less options from boons/poms/hammers, more foes, more enemy hp)
hollow hazel
Jury Summons 1, and Calisthenics program 1
hollow hazel
They make that much of a difference?
reef zodiac
Yes
Trust me
Especially CP
Giving every boss 15% more hp is quite big
They also interact poorly with TD
And TD is way more heat and hurts you way less, so it’s a much better option in general
hollow hazel
Hmm, fair enough. Maybe I'll substitute those for EM3, just to start getting used to that. Doing something different would at least be a nice change of pace to adjust too. Right now it just feels like I'm floundering.
reef zodiac
What heat are you playing at
reef zodiac
You should try to learn to play faster
TD is the only heat option in the entire game that does not hurt you at all if you have enough practice (at least below like 40 heat)
hollow hazel
Maybe I'll give it a try. At least if a run is falling apart and dragging on I'll be put out of my misery instead of getting my hopes up and then getting crushed by Hades
reef zodiac
Like for example, I use TD3 for everything (except speedrunning because I need timer rooms), including hitless runs. And it’s essentially free since I’m just used to playing that fast all the time
Except for my high heat runs where I’m forced to use a ton of pacts that really slow me down. But then it’s still 6 heat that hurts me a hell of a lot less than other options for that much heat
hollow hazel
5 minutes per floor just seems unreal to me lol
reef zodiac
Ngl TD gives way more heat than it should lmao
reef zodiac
5 minutes per floor just seems unreal to me lol
Nah it’s fine if you have some practice at it
I haven’t had a clear over 20 minutes in probably like a year at this point
Imo, TD1 should be 7mins and TD2 should be 5mins, worth 1 and 2 heat respectively. 6 heat for TD3 is absurd. RI3 gives you 6 heat. AP2 gives you 5 heat.
JS should also be 15% at a time and go up to 4. And CP should be 10% at a time and go up to 3
hollow hazel
I think my fastest run is 25 because I had to turn TD on for the prophecy but I've never really used it since then except to see how far I could get at like, insanely high heat (for my experience). I'll probably do that shortly, but I'm also really wanting to take my time for the story. I've started over the game 3 times and yet have never gotten every one to full hearts, or all the prophecies fulfilled so I think that's my next goal. And I really should care more about that, but I just feel like the game is too easy and I win every run if I don't have like, 12-14 heat going, 16 heat is really just sort of a point to get used to so I can move up to get that third skelly statue.
hollow hazel
Oh, For the sword it's Nemesis, for the Spear it's Guan Yu, for the Shield it's Zeus, for Bow it's Rama (Which I've only been able to play like, 3 times because of the way darker thirst works I've only gotten it those 3 times), Talos Gloves (Though I'm still not sure about that one) and Lucifer for Railgun (which I've had to play like, 12 times because of Darker Thirst)
I could take or leave Nemesis, and Talos though, I would like to try Rama more (or just bow in general), but Darker Thirst keeps me from getting to experiment very often, and Lucifer works pretty well, but admittedly I sort of just hate the railgun as a whole lol. Feels too grating to use without a good build
reef zodiac
You don’t have to always pick the weapon selected by darker thirst
dusky thorn
Am I ignorant or is chaos aspect garbage
dusky thorn
No matter what I do I simply can’t take advantage of the multi shield throw
reef zodiac
Yeah it has garbage base damage
Bad aspect
Every other shield is super good though
Zag shield is pretty dependent on CShot but with CShot it’s super good
dusky thorn
I haven’t tried Romulus cuz bastard chaos Dodged me every run but now I have it
reef zodiac
Beowulf?
dusky thorn
Man I butchered that name so hard
reef zodiac
Aka probably the best aspect in the game
dusky thorn
It ain’t even similar
reef zodiac
Lmao
dusky thorn
Blood and darkness I can’t swear here
Anyway I’m guessing the way you play that is similar to the bow aspect that also let you load up casts
Get a good cast then do a billion damage
hollow hazel
I mean, I know I don't but for the sake of progression and efficiency in getting darkness which you need so much of, it would feel like I'm losing out on hundreds of darkness by not taking Darker Thirst weapons. BUT this does open up an opportunity. With me losing most runs, it means I have an opportunity to collect darkness by choosing the darker thirst. When you beat all the bosses except Hades, all further bosses drop both gems and darkness and it's a lot of darkness. That's actually sort of a really important thing. I should have noticed that way earlier
dusky thorn
I learned the downsides of following dark thirst weapons only when I started beating any heat run I attempted
reef zodiac
Get a good cast then do a billion damage
Yep pretty much. The best options are flood flare (because it’s big and is a prerequisite for mirage shot) and passion flare (big + highest damage number + weak)
Btw
There are a lot of Beo bugs worth knowing
They’re weird and you probably wouldn’t realize them on your own
I know I didn’t
Also, Beo block radius
dusky thorn
Accurate
Beowulf aspect is basically a great shield
hollow hazel
I care so much about winning that I'm throwing every other point of progression of the game aside. Like the unique dialogue (that I didn't even know existed), taking the less popular gods (through personal preference) and getting dialogue from them, progressing the darkness, progressing keepsakes. I shouldn't be caring about winning so much
reef zodiac
Accurate
Beowulf aspect is basically a great shield
Literally and figuratively a great shield
reef zodiac
I care so much about winning that I'm throwing every other point of progression ...
Why lose when you can win
dusky thorn
Man I remember back when I was bad at the game
And all I did was Artemis runs
EVERYTIME
With every weapon
hollow hazel
Artemis has the best personality to be fair LUL
reef zodiac
Artemis is good but not universally good
hollow hazel
Man, I always try to defend her boons over all the other boons just because I like her, but you can't force it to be amazing on its own lol
dusky thorn
Artemis is good to have every now and then (looks at pressure points)
reef zodiac
Although most weapons can find a use for either her attack special or dash
But generally Aphrodite is on average better than Artemis
hollow hazel
Why lose when you can win
To hear Hypnos with his deep cuts and put downs
dusky thorn
I’ve had to leave poor Artemis in the dust
I’ve found my new addiction to Aphrodite and Dionysus synergy
reef zodiac
What
dusky thorn
Basically permanent double debuff
dusky thorn
It’s not synergy if it every other god could also just do that
reef zodiac
If you want a good god to pair with Aphrodite, try Zeus
Smoldering Air
Plus Aphrodite covers slow attacks and Zeus covers fast ones
dusky thorn
I need to do more Zeus runs over all
reef zodiac
Zeus is so good
dusky thorn
Last time I talked to him I was basically saying “unlock exagryph old man”
heavy sigil
Smoldering Air
whats a good call to use with this?
im always able to get that duo boon in my zeus shield runs but i never know what call to use
gray apex
whats a good call to use with this?
Zeus
gray apex
Dio is good too
And Athena defensively
Poseidon is cool especially with rip current but I dislike it
Still strong tho
reef zodiac
whats a good call to use with this?
Zeus > Dionysus > Poseidon > Athena imo
But Poseidon with Rip Current is absurd
You’ll be invincible more than you’re vulnerable
heavy sigil
wth lmao
reef zodiac
Poseidon is cool especially with rip current but I dislike it
High heat I love Poseidon call. Speedrunning it very much sucks
heavy sigil
it seems kind of hard to control
reef zodiac
It’s a lot of damage, lots of i-frames, and is great to get you out of bad situations
I especially like it in Elysium if I’m being surrounded by enemies
Definitely less good for bosses though
reef zodiac
But yeah Zeus and Dio are best imo
heavy sigil
also another question
does the same keysake work in the same run?
like if i have zeus keepsake equipped first world
and then still have it for the second world
do i get a zeus boon at the start of the second world?
raw herald
No
raw herald
Still get the rarity bonus
hollow hazel
Wow.... it took me, over 500 hours in of game play to realize how Demeter's blessing for Theseus works lol. I used to hate getting her because I never knew how the vortex worked. Turns out I was an idiot and never noticed Theseus throwing his spear and the effects that follow thereafter lol wow... just wow
limpid elm
Did they already patch the trick where you stand where the final boss is standing to avoid the beam attack?
fast willow
Did they already patch the trick where you stand where the final boss is standin...
no because it's intended
stoic kiln
ayo im gonna get back into the game, any run ideas? i forgot sum stuff
solar bane
does anyone what to trade hades trading cards just i know werid question but just dm me
if do
twin thistle
the patch is em4
fresh steppe
say qq, for like, getting duos. How wuold i go about getting them more consistently outside of having the prereqs?
dense meadow
why isn't there a thread around here to post bugs or something. for hades for instance
dense meadow
minor text one.
mint coral
say qq, for like, getting duos. How wuold i go about getting them more consisten...
Fated persuasion/use of keepsakes/dark foresight/Chaos favor boons/refreshing nectar/yarn of ariadne/filling your cores
And avoid opening other duos
heavy sigil
does anyone have some advice for zeus shield?
reef zodiac
Zeus special
heavy sigil
like gameplay wise whats ur bread and butter
reef zodiac
Jolted
heavy sigil
the builds im somewhat ok with
reef zodiac
like gameplay wise whats ur bread and butter
Use bull rush
heavy sigil
rlly?
reef zodiac
It’s the single most broken mechanic in the entire game
reef zodiac
It’s a huge part of what makes shield so insanely good
heavy sigil
💀 welp
reef zodiac
heavy sigil
do u use it to engage?
or like mid combo?
._. what even is like the basic combo with zeus shield
reef zodiac
Dash strike bull rush
devout terrace
Throw shield out-dash strike-bullrush mostly
reef zodiac
The shield management is the really challenge ofc
devout terrace
Recall shield and repeat
reef zodiac
It’s so broken
Why would you not use the ability that lets your completely block attacks and then have full invulnerability
reef zodiac
Bruh
stable dagger
Daily reminder to offer your prayers to rightful best girl Artemis goddess of the hunt
hidden hinge
I've died 200 times in Hades, is it normal?
gray apex
Yes?
short glen
No. Die a hundred more and it's normal
reef zodiac
Most people quit the game at exactly 199 deaths so no definitely not normal
heavy sigil
damn wth is this rng
i got all the zeus boons that r good with the legendary, smoldering air, unhealthy fixation
and im like 1/3 of the way done with elysium
reef zodiac
Unhealthy Fixation
honest current
all the skeleton rewards are cool statues?
I mean, I aint complaining... just asking
reef zodiac
Yes
heavy sigil
Unhealthy Fixation <:ron:459075377906712586>
yeah 😩
i see orang i click
at that point the run was over
i had legit every zeus boon with smoldering air
reef zodiac
True
heavy sigil
hades took 1 min 30 secs
which is pretty good for me
my 3rd run done
spam call and special
also for zeus build on zeus shield
what attack should i run?
i usually do aphrodite attack so i can get smoldering air bc smoldering plus zeus call is stupid op
but idk if thats actually how u do the build
reef zodiac
Aphrodite attack is the best
But attack boon isn’t super important. Demeter, Athena, and Artemis also do fine imo
Although if you get CShot then attack boon will matter a bit more
heavy sigil
cshot?
strong ridge
shield cannon
heavy sigil
oh
reef zodiac
On Zeus shield it’s second only to Explosive Return
heavy sigil
the replacing bash
reef zodiac
The what?
signal aspen
replacing bash
heavy sigil
thats charged shot right
reef zodiac
Charged Shot turns your bull rush into a projectile
heavy sigil
does it get effected by attack boons?
which is why attack boons r more important when u have it
signal aspen
yeah
reef zodiac
Chaos too
umbral parrot
I have questions about Beowulf
Do i need to spend 5 titan blood on a single aspect or in total?
umbral parrot
Oh.. Thanks!
Im playing with the shield now
which hammer do i take? The options are; Breaching rush, Pulverizing blow and Dashing Wallop
reef zodiac
What aspect
umbral parrot
zeus
deep grotto
time to play beowulf for the first time with the information i gathered from this chat
reef zodiac
Breaching Rush probably
umbral parrot
reef zodiac
time to play beowulf for the first time with the information i gathered from thi...
Let me know if you have any questions
umbral parrot
Thanks alot!
deep grotto
Let me know if you have any questions
just one before i get into my run
reef zodiac
which hammer do i take? The options are; Breaching rush, Pulverizing blow and Da...
All 3 are decent options. Not the best but they all help a decent amount.
Probably 5th, 6th, and 7th best hammers for the aspect
It’s a good sign that Zeus has that many decent hammers
deep grotto
what should i change in my playstyle from the other aegis aspects?
cuz it feels different a lot and i feel my casual aegis playstyle does not work well with it
reef zodiac
Dash strike bull rush
deep grotto
change is not the right word
umbral parrot
It’s a good sign that Zeus has that many decent hammers
deep grotto
what should it be *
reef zodiac
And remember that bull rush does 50 damage regardless of how much you charge it
So there’s no real point in charging it all the way
deep grotto
you think that hammer with the timing is worth it?
reef zodiac
Stay pretty close up with your enemies
reef zodiac
you think that hammer with the timing is worth it?
No definitely not
deep grotto
it takes a long time right
signal aspen
you think that hammer with the timing is worth it?
literally never
deep grotto
dps probably goes down
reef zodiac
With sudden rush it can be decent but there are much better options
deep grotto
alrgiht
deep grotto
unananas also gave me a boon list ill check that while im in the game too
deep grotto
earlier
reef zodiac
Have you seen the bug doc?
twin thistle
beo build: flood flare, deadly strike, mirage shot. focus poms on cast, grab cas...
oh this
reef zodiac
And the block radius?
deep grotto
yeah you sent them
reef zodiac
Ok cool
reef zodiac
Np
reef zodiac
Probably Rod
signal aspen
this is beo tho right?
twin thistle
ROD
signal aspen
rod is bad on beo
umbral parrot
Zeus
umbral parrot
I did 
reef zodiac
At worst it sells for 400+ gold
signal aspen
true
signal aspen
charged shot
reef zodiac
Charged Shot is so good
2nd best Zeus hammer
Honestly I feel like Zeus might have the best 2nd best hammer in the game
umbral parrot
reef zodiac
CShot is so good on Zeus
umbral parrot
hahahahhaha
ahahah
I threw all my casts on the floor, sit in a corner, hold bull rush and release sometimes, and spam call
I think this was the lowest effort i have spent on defeating hades ever
Now i understand why people call shield the best and easiest weapon
I got the awakening beowulf talk with Master Chaos!
reef zodiac
heavy sigil
smoldering air + zeus call + billowing strength is pretty nutty
reef zodiac
Yes
heavy sigil
and proud bearing
reef zodiac
Proud bearing is totally unnecessary with smoldering air
heavy sigil
i mean yeah lmao
umbral parrot
I GOT SPLITTING BOLT
near rose
hi i plays with keyboard and mouse but i want to try with controller how can i do ?
raw herald
Plug in controller to pc
umbral parrot
Well, everybody says beowulf is very powerful
reef zodiac
Yeah it’s my favorite aspect in the game
umbral parrot
reef zodiac
I was kidding about the “too slow”
It’s funny because Beo is one of the top 3 fastest aspects in the game but people say “too slow for me” all the time
hidden hinge
guys what are the cases of romance that the prota can achieve in the game?
So far I only know his and meg
umbral parrot
It’s funny because Beo is one of the top 3 fastest aspects in the game but peopl...
Ive seen a clip from @gray apex (i think) where he one shot the heroes with beowulf
reef zodiac
Yep
umbral parrot
How?
reef zodiac
Artemis and Poseidon duo boon
It’s bugged with Beowulf
Beo has a ton of notable bugs actually
umbral parrot
So.. what does the bug do?
reef zodiac
I link you to my bug doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/12CDUZVhVIqKtDbQYPS1-4nZEm4pVQm4QG8BxHkquWDQ/edit
signal aspen
Double damage
raw herald
2x flare damage instead of 1.3x
signal aspen
Kinda good
reef zodiac
Nope
reef zodiac
umbral parrot
reef zodiac
SGG is done patching the game as far as we know
umbral parrot
Okay! Thanks for the help and information! I go to sleep now 
signal aspen
GN
umbral parrot
Bye!
fresh steppe
mirage shot is a funny duo boon thats fun to use
heavy sigil
what hammers r good for beo?
heavy sigil
welp that isnt an option 😔
gray apex
Sudden Ferocious Breaching are good ones
heavy sigil
pulverizing blow, minotuar rush or unyielding def?
gray apex
Unyielding Defense is the only one that’ll do something there
Unless you have hyper sprint, then these are all not important choices
gray apex
You don’t do standing attacks with Beo so Pulv is pretty useless, Minotaur takes way too long to charge, not worth it, Unyielding defense is just free damage reduction
tender oyster
Can anyone give me advice for heat 8
reef zodiac
Sure
tender oyster
Trying to figure out how to stack the heat debuffs
reef zodiac
What weapon are you using?
fresh steppe
which heat are you taking?
tender oyster
Taking the shield not sure I can reduce that much time Unholy
reef zodiac
Wym
Shield is very fast
At least Zag, Zeus, and especially Beo are
Beo has held many speedrun world records in recent history, and Zag and Zeus have both cleared 62 heat
fresh steppe
Yeah shield is very good
tender oyster
so then youre doing Convenience Fee for the remaining heat?
fresh steppe
CF affects well items also yeah?
tender oyster
I'm going to give this a shot lets see
reef zodiac
CF affects well items also yeah?
Yeah
sweet pivot
I'm going to be honest I have no idea what middle management does for some of the bosses like the pink sphere mini boss
reef zodiac
The butterfly ball?
It makes it able to teleport
Doesn’t make a huge difference though
fresh steppe
Yep
Mini boss fights are more annoying but otherwise it doesn’t affect most of the run iirc
In a big way I mean
reef zodiac
It makes Styx bosses a bit slower
fresh steppe
Yeah
reef zodiac
And power couple becomes more dangerous but it’s still easy if you Meg properly
And barge becomes faster
fresh steppe
Yep
sweet pivot
I feel like em3 through 1 and middle management are the most free pact of punishment s
reef zodiac
Nah EM3 is hard
fresh steppe
I’m not fond of em3
reef zodiac
TD3 is by far the most free pact condition tbh
sweet pivot
What's td3?
reef zodiac
In fact TD3 is the only pact condition that can be truly free
fresh steppe
Which is not that bad honestly
sweet pivot
I don't like that because I get stressed about the time even though I can usually complete it in time
reef zodiac
You get used to it
sweet pivot
Plus I get really bad maze luck
reef zodiac
That’s not how luck works though
fresh steppe
Usually I try to do asphodel quickly so I have more room for error in elysium and styx
reef zodiac
Aspho and Tart bank time for Ely and Styx, yeah
fresh steppe
Tho the enemies in asphodel are pretty annoying at times, mainly like, the ones that are jumping around a lot
reef zodiac
Yeah but it’s just so few chambers
tender oyster
Definitely jsut lost 2 of my DD in tartarus because of the time limit
tender oyster
aspect of Zag
fresh steppe
Aspect of zag should be perfectly capable of getting through Tartarus quickly
Shield yeah?
reef zodiac
Zag is very hammer dependent
fresh steppe
True
reef zodiac
With CShot it’s super fast
Without CShot it kinda sucks
Zeus and Beo are much more consistent
fresh steppe
Yeah
They’re both really good aspects
I like merciful end Zeus, but I should try and go for a Zeus Zeus run
tender oyster
yeah i died on Lernie
raw herald
Zeus on Zeus is fun
heavy sigil
I like merciful end Zeus, but I should try and go for a Zeus Zeus run
for merciful do u go ares attack or athena attack?
or is there not a diff?
raw herald
With Zeus shield you go ares special as it has better Pom scaling
But you can use both
On any other weapon you’d use ares attack
fresh steppe
Yeah for Zeus you go ares special and Athena attack
Since those are the pre requisites for merciful end
reef zodiac
Zeus special is basically just as good if you’re not going for speed
And it’s less dependent on RNG
heavy sigil
yeah but ive done like 5 zeus build runs
wanna do smth diff
and learning beo is not going well 💀
choked on hades like 4 times
signal aspen
beo kinda good
dusky thorn
as long as its not chaos shield (buff it)
reef zodiac
What
icy knoll
second wave is good with flood flare beo right
icy knoll
should i take second wave and purge it or take purple wave pounding
signal aspen
wave pounding
icy knoll
alr
mint coral
it only affects knockback you wont get extra dmg (unless you wall slam) and flare barely does knockback lol
reef zodiac
Wave Pounding is really good for Flood Flare Beo
signal aspen
not enough knockback to proc sea storm
mint coral
also yeah wave pounding nice
dusky thorn
what god is good on hades aspect (dont say zeus)
signal aspen
you can do arti/aphro special with explosive launcher
also why did you say "dont say zeus"
reef zodiac
Why would we say Zeus
dusky thorn
cuz everyone ever wherever i go always tells me "something something zeus attack jolt"
im being reduced to a shade
signal aspen
well that is one of the ways to play hades spear
mint coral
reject weapon embrace zeus call smoldering air
reef zodiac
Best build for Hades spear❗
- Use Family Favorite on the mirror
- Equip Ares keepsake
- Switch to Achilles
- Hunting Blades
icy knoll
that's true
signal aspen
i like how you specifically said to use family favorite
reef zodiac
Wanted to add more steps lmao
If you use privileged status then you’ll actually get 50% more speeder enemies in Elysium
Fun fact
signal aspen
Best build for Hades spear ❗
- Use Privileged status on the mirror
- Equip Pierced Butterfly keepsake
- Switch to Gilgamesh
- Cold embrace
- Defeat Father
- Profit
short kernel
hello
signal aspen
helo
short kernel
I was gonna share a clip of me being stupid with achilles given the spear talk, but seems videos are disabled here so rip that idea
signal aspen
you can post it somewhere else (private discord server or imgur) and link it here
signal aspen
beautiful
ancient sigil
top 10 ways to get hit
short kernel
lmfao
icy knoll
If you use privileged status then you’ll actually get 50% more speeder enemies i...
is that true?
reef zodiac
No
icy knoll
i don't play bp i got no idea
reef zodiac
BP2 😡
I take BP2 at the same points that other people do but I am angry when I do it
lilac jetty
fresh steppe
what enemies do you typically find yourself dying to/taking a lot of damage from at high heat?
sweet pivot
I feel like some of the upgrades don't do much like aspect of Lucifer doesn't really seem that worth it to upgrade
reef zodiac
what enemies do you typically find yourself dying to/taking a lot of damage from...
Anything in Elysium, seeker asphodel witches, slugger/speeder dracons
Actually almost anything with speeder is a problem, outside of Tartarus
umbral parrot
Do runs with god mode opened (or opened then closed) count as different runs?
deep patio
can never get fully loaded (my last legendary needed) to appear!
dusky thorn
just stick to artemis like a poison dart from a satyr and its outta work
gray apex
Check requirements, Legendaries are not random
umbral parrot
near rose
hi i plays with keyboard and mouse but i want to try with controller how can i d...
so, I still can't, it's like it doesn't detect the controlers
i means i have only my mouse
Helpp 😦
void vigil
Try #h1-tech-support
near rose
Ok
deep patio
Check requirements, Legendaries are not random
yeah I checked in the boon list. A few times I have had 3/3 (rather than the required 2/3) boons and still dont get it lol
rigged
gray apex
yeah I checked in the boon list. A few times I have had 3/3 (rather than the req...
Filling core boons, taking status curses, using Legacy on the mirror, having Yarns/Nectar/Chaos’ Favor and filling your god pool early all can improve your odds
Also not having duos boons open
From Artemis
deep patio
so i should choose duo boons where possible to reduce the likelihood of that taking the legendary place?
gray apex
so i should choose duo boons where possible to reduce the likelihood of that tak...
You shouldn't open up Duos to begin with but if you do yes, take them
Better if you take them from the other god
deep patio
its so frustrating, ive got every other legendary without even trying, done about 20 runs with artemis keepsake on and cant get it haha
gray apex
Oh yea you can also keep the keepsake on for the whole run