h1-discussion

[iron oyster]

Or when the other pacts start hitting too hard

[ripe otter]

I recommend you actually don’t do that

[iron oyster]

Oh?

[ripe otter]

As an EM4 streaker the fight against big man is actual hell

Combining that with stuff like HL or TD is pure agony

You should actually try to do EM4 but don’t use anything else, just max out EM and run it

[gray apex]

What do you streak EM4 with

[ripe otter]

Lots of things

[gray apex]

I meant heat

[ripe otter]

Oh, nothing else actually

Mainly because of the hades fight, if it weren’t for him I’d prolly add TD or MM

But because hades hits like a sober alcoholic who just ran out of whiskey when you crank it up to 4 I have to try to save up my DDs for him alone

[gray apex]

That's fair

[ripe otter]

Sometimes I’ll actually just 0 heat it to cool off from too much EM4 but otherwise it’s almost always either EM4 or EM3 with MM and whatever else I’m feelin that day that isn’t Consequences or HL

[reef zodiac]

You can keep EM4 off until 55 heat

[ripe otter]

I hate 55 heat bruh

[reef zodiac]

I pretty much wouldn’t ever use it below 50

[ripe otter]

I used it to get good at fighting hades

After doing nothing but EM4 streaks he felt like such a pushover without it

[reef zodiac]

You hate 55 heat? Have you tried 55 heat

[ripe otter]

Twice, and never again

[reef zodiac]

Weirdly specific number

[gray apex]

You gotta climb up there

[reef zodiac]

Yeah obviously you can just jump from 16 to 55

[brisk trail]

wtf is this 50+ stuff

stay away from me

[iron oyster]

Fr?

[mint coral]

50+ too hot

[reef zodiac]

Yes

[iron oyster]

It’s that painful?

[reef zodiac]

EM4 is incredibly bad

Yes

[iron oyster]

Well time to do a trial run then

Im gonna get my ass beat in

[reef zodiac]

Never use EM4 before 50 heat unless you’re trying to make the game harder than you need to

[gray apex]

On its own or at low heat it's not hard at all

[reef zodiac]

Well nothing at low heat is

[gray apex]

But it scales really badly with other options

Which you have to take at 50

[iron oyster]

I can imagine getting like 2 shot at that heat

Maybe even 1 shot

[reef zodiac]

Yeah his spear throw does 100 damage

[iron oyster]

Ouch

[gray apex]

Well no need to imagine you can go for it right now

[iron oyster]

Assuming i even make it out of tart on 50

[reef zodiac]

Love when the fastest attack also hits the hardest and also can come flying from off-screen and also can go through block at close range. That’s how you make a balanced bossfight that definitely isn’t just weighted towards a single attack

[gray apex]

I genuinely dont get your thing for spear throws

[reef zodiac]

I literally just explained it

[gray apex]

I haven't gotten hit by a spear in ages

[iron oyster]

Oh and it hits twice if you’re not quick enough

[gray apex]

practice

instead of complaining

[reef zodiac]

How do you get hit my anything else

It’s like 3x harder to dodge than anything else in his kit

[reef zodiac]

It does not?

[iron oyster]

Wait what

Did I confuse that with Theseus

[gray apex]

Based on what

[reef zodiac]

It’s faster, comes from offscreen, goes through block, has more range?

You can tell that he’s either gonna throw or spin but once he starts his throw animation I’m pretty sure there’s a hitbox almost immediately

It’s crazy fast

[gray apex]

Well ig you have like 1k hours in EM4 so you would know

[ripe otter]

Maybe don’t be standing in his hit box when you see him wind up either of them

[reef zodiac]

You can look at frame data if you want. But I’m just saying that I basically never get hit by anything else except occasionally the cast or spin. But almost every run that dies, dies to throw

[reef zodiac]

Oh really? Don’t just get hit? You think I should avoid the attack? Really? Wow I’m so glad you’re here to give me some life-changing advice. Thank you so much mr. EM4 master

[ripe otter]

Mine is always either double spins or green rocks

[brisk trail]

just don't get hit bro ez

[ripe otter]

Bruh if the wind up is really that fast maybe don’t stand inside of him, stand back a bit

[reef zodiac]

NO WAY DUDE

It’s almost like he’s fast

Because it’s FO2

And it’s not the simple

Jesus

[ripe otter]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh now I see your point

[brisk trail]

FO2 EM4

[reef zodiac]

Don’t talk down to me like I don’t know how to fight him

I did EM4 for my 50, 51 and 52

[ripe otter]

Mb dude

[gray apex]

That doesnt make you good at the fight

[ripe otter]

I just didn’t know we were including FO2 in this

[reef zodiac]

No but it makes me at least have an understanding of not standing in his attack obviously

I’m not saying it’s undodgeable

It’s just by far the hardest attack

[fast willow]

not beo moment

[gray apex]

Learn to dodge it then

[reef zodiac]

I’m not saying it’s unfair, just imbalanced toward it

[gray apex]

Watch Retrash

There's a reason he's the EM4 master

[reef zodiac]

I know how to dodge it, it’s just harder than every other attack so it hits me more often than anything else does

You seem to be misunderstanding what I’m saying. I’m not saying “spear throw is bs”, I’m saying “spear throw is so much stronger that every other attack that he has that it controls the entire pace of the fight to the point where some weapons are forced to just fight him in a single corner in order to manage it”

[ripe otter]

I mean yeah, being punished for being 1 frame off knowing what he’s doing by taking a fat 100 damage seems cheap To me

[reef zodiac]

It’s not frame perfect

[ripe otter]

I was just not aware of the context being FO AND EM4

[ripe otter]

Ik, just giving my opinion without knowing the exact frame data on it

[reef zodiac]

It’s in the context of 50+ heat because before that you can just ignore EM4

[brisk trail]

unless you want FUN

[reef zodiac]

I mean I use EM4 for my casual runs

[brisk trail]

I like the idea of chad hades but mixing it with other pacts is rly rough

[reef zodiac]

Because my causal runs are always trippy Beo and I want to try to one-shot phase 3

[reef zodiac]

It’s a fine fight when it’s not too hard but it’s just extremely imbalanced with the minions and the spear throw (especially on melee aspects) that it’s pretty garbage for high heat tbh

[ripe otter]

I’ll take a sneak and gorgon over SHIELD CRYSTAL

[reef zodiac]

???

???????

[signal aspen]

Lmao

[ripe otter]

GOD I HATE THOSE THINGS, I HATE THE DAMN SHIELD CRYSTALS

[fast willow]

[reef zodiac]

Bruh

[fast willow]

this is great

[mint coral]

Em4 shield crystal isnt possible

[ripe otter]

Ik, I’m just saying that’s the one thing I like about EM4, no shield crystals

[signal aspen]

Breh

[brisk trail]

[ripe otter]

It’s why I like streaking it, besides it being just more fun for me

[raw herald]

Skull crusher > gorgon > doom stone > sneak > bball

[reef zodiac]

2+ sneaks literally makes many aspects virtually unable to win the fight

[signal aspen]

Retrash can beat it

[raw herald]

Retrash cracked af and broken op

[fast willow]

the aspects cant win it without retrash buff

[reef zodiac]

Is BBall really bad for non shields? Because I find sneak to be infinitely worse

I don’t think I’ve ever won EM4 with 2+ sneaks or a phase 1 sneak

High heat at least

[raw herald]

Butterfly ball just eats the acorn so quickly

[fast willow]

bball kills acorn

[reef zodiac]

True but sneak kills acorn and then me

[raw herald]

Nom nom nom

[fast willow]

bball acorn kill -> spear throw true combo

[fast willow]

ye i think sneak is worse too

but bbal still very bad

[reef zodiac]

EM4 summons is such an incredibly dumb mechanic tbh

Up there with sack RNG

[fast willow]

i think its definitely not as bad as sack RNG lol

for em4 sneak you always could outplay it

you cant outplay the sack

[brisk trail]

sack rng? just play faster in the first 3 areas to compensate

[fast willow]

[reef zodiac]

Yeah but who ever has? Are there any 55+ heat win with 2+ sneaks? Even one?

Maybe I’m dumb

[fast willow]

probably retrash somewhere

[brisk trail]

is retrash god of hades

[gray apex]

Kind of

[reef zodiac]

He’s very experienced at EM4

[gray apex]

He's the god of EM4 for sure

[brisk trail]

I see

[gray apex]

He's cleared it with the worst builds and worst weapons for it

Like zag sword with dash nova at 57 heat

[brisk trail]

[reef zodiac]

Like spear throw isn’t unfair, it’s just very imbalanced which I don’t like.
Summons are actually just unfair

[signal aspen]

52 cursed slash tempest strike

[brisk trail]

[mint coral]

The retrash build™

[icy knoll]

why does everyone hate dash nova

[ripe otter]

Cause it sucks with almost every aspect

[icy knoll]

i kinda like it with nemesis, it's fun

get rid of the dash before specials, save a tiny bit of time

[gray apex]

It's weird

And hard to control

Being sturdy is a nice addition but like why

You're just yeeting yourself all over the place

[feral quiver]

I wonder what a Hades fight would look like if it was a 2D action-platformer like MMX / MMZ...

[tawdry valve]

is there a way to import my steam save to the game pass

[slim geyser]

no

[reef zodiac]

@ angel

[crude surge]

Retrash “builds”

™️

[devout terrace]

hi

[reef zodiac]

Wait

Someone said they liked Zag shield and asked if it was bad

But they deleted their message it seems

[raw herald]

i like zag shield, is it bad ?

[crude surge]

@ angel

[umbral parrot]

I beat dad again

on 3 heat

[gray apex]

nice

[feral quiver]

Imo, shield's not bad at all, but I feel like its damage output is lacking. I'm guessing it's meant to offset the 'Block' capabilities.

[slim geyser]

bull rush to win

shield dmg good

[reef zodiac]

No shield is not just “not bad”, it’s actually incredibly good

Probably the best weapon in the game

And the damage output is definitely not lacking

Have you played Beowulf?

Or used Charged Shot?

Or played Zeus shield with Thunder Flourish + Static Discharge?

[signal aspen]

Or chaos shield with thunder flourish

[reef zodiac]

Well

That one maybe less so

[gray apex]

no its the best one

have you seen the dad fight on this thing

takes 5 minutes

[crude surge]

I unironically like drunken flourish more so you can throw it out and then just not use the special until hangover goes away

[feral quiver]

I clearly do not know how to play with shield, haha 😐

[reef zodiac]

Do you have Beowulf?

[feral quiver]

Yeah, I do. I've unlocked all the weapons.

[reef zodiac]

Beo is capable of absurd damage output

It held the anyheat world record for a while

[feral quiver]

I don't know, I tend to have the worst luck with the shield compared to the other weapons, but I think it's because of my own impatience, haha. I like to just get in and smash/punch the crap out of things with the sword or the fists.

Ahh, interesting about Beo

[reef zodiac]

Try Beowulf

With Flood Flare

Look for mirage shot

It’s arguably the strongest weapon in the game

[feral quiver]

Cool, thanks. I'll try it out when I have a chance

[reef zodiac]

And pretty simple too

Just load casts, bull rush for 700+ damage, repeat

[feral quiver]

Haha, right now I'm aiming to beat Hades on extreme measures with my upgraded sword. It's a pride thing atm.

[reef zodiac]

No spoiler tags needed in this channel

[feral quiver]

Ah, cool cool.

Anyway, yeah. Just a pride thing on that regard.

Beat Extreme Measures Hades with sword.

Nonetheless, thanks UnholyPancake. I'll keep that in mind for Beo

[reef zodiac]

Beo also handles EM4 very very well

If you enjoy casual EM4 runs

[slim geyser]

beo is glitched lmao its great

[reef zodiac]

Beo is so absurdly bugged lmao

[ripe otter]

Have you heard of trippy flare?

[reef zodiac]

Have I heard of it?

Um

[slim geyser]

trippy fun

big numbers fun

[ripe otter]

Trippy flare is yucky with mirage shot

[reef zodiac]

#h1-victory-boasting message

#h1-victory-boasting message

#h1-builds-and-combat message

#h1-builds-and-combat message

Nah man, never heard of it. What’s trippy flare?

[slim geyser]

never

[reef zodiac]

Nope

[ripe otter]

Oh ok

Glad to know I’m stupid

[analog dew]

Wait

Mirage Shot works on casts that aren’t True and Flood Shot??

[slim geyser]

yes

[reef zodiac]

It works on every cast except Thunder flare

[analog dew]

:0

[signal aspen]

It doesn't really "work" because it's bugged and does 100% dmg instead of 30%

For flares

[brisk trail]

[slim geyser]

maybe it just works really really well

[livid pollen]

can you reroll and get duo boons?

[reef zodiac]

Rerolls don’t block any types of boons

It’s just like picking up the boon fresh again

[livid pollen]

ok

[wintry seal]

gotta tell y'all i recently got Hades & love it; it's ruining my sleep schedule, haven't obsessed over a game this much since Skyrim

[upper yarrow]

Yeah it’s got such a compelling gameplay loop

[iron oyster]

I might just be stupid but I got a worse time on beo than Arthur at a lower heat

What the hell am I doing wrong

[brisk trail]

Arthur is super easy to use

[iron oyster]

That’s probably why, then

I committed big skill issue

[leaden birch]

Arthur + Artemis strike

[iron oyster]

Wouldn’t Aphrodite be better against common enemies

Because she has a far higher multiplier, and doesn’t rely on RNG?

[reef zodiac]

You definitely want heartbreak strike

Breakpoints and all that

[brisk trail]

Artemis bad for arthur

Your 2k dmg crit means nothing when it hits a 100 point shield

Aphrodite is hands down the best

Imo demeter is also a solid choice because 40% slow makes boss fights extremely easy

[iron oyster]

I learnt that the hard way when my second hit of the combo did most of the shield and my third big swing did a big yellow “6”

[leaden birch]

Yeye

but I don't mind Artemis

[reef zodiac]

Artemis on Arthur honestly sucks ngl

I’d prefer Demeter or Athena

4th pick is a rough spot

[leaden birch]

yeah

But if I manage to somehow not get any of those and only Artemis

I don't really mind

I'm 3 starring my keepsakes first
Then I'll actually use them to get the stuff I need

[brisk trail]

I just take aphro keepsake at the start always

for arthur

[leaden birch]

Only have 2 keepsakes left to 3 star

[brisk trail]

alternatively take plume, pray for a good attack boon, go fast and you'll end up at hades with 30%+ dodge

which is great for arthur

[leaden birch]

Hermes attack

Fast arthur

[reef zodiac]

Just take Aphrodite keepsake

[brisk trail]

^

I recommend this for consistency

with arthur

[leaden birch]

Yes I know I just don't care about using the keepsakes for now
I'm just gonna 3 star the remaining things and then get the 3-5 other achievements

[brisk trail]

can confirm this. I got +40% attack speed from hermes on arthur and it was nutty

[leaden birch]

true

[brisk trail]

it was my second EM4 attempt and dad got wrecked

I did take demeter attack for that one tho

[reef zodiac]

Arthur is one of the few cases where swift strike doesn’t suck

[brisk trail]

cos slow dad is easy dad

yeah swift strike isn't that useful on alot of things

cos alot of aspects mainly utlize dash strikes, specials, casts

but arthur with swift strike is rly good

[iron oyster]

Ayo what

[iron oyster]

Beo? I wonder if swift charges bull/dragon rush faster

[leaden birch]

I think it does

If it does same would to for Rama too

[iron oyster]

Fair

[cedar olive]

My current run is going terribly. If I use "give up", is everything randomized again?

[gray apex]

No

The starting seed is the same

So you’re most likely gonna get the same first few chambers

[cedar olive]

Same boons as well?

[gray apex]

Yes, the rewards from the doors are gonna be the same

It will change slowly

Unless you’re incrementing the rng

[cedar olive]

Could use that ngl

I mean, picking from the same first pools

[gray apex]

It’s fine to use when you cant be bothered to reset for a certain hammer or rarity etc but it does make your run seeded for leaderboards

[cedar olive]

Now that I think about it though, I started with the Thunder Signet and I changed it mid-run, will I have the same doors if I do change to Thunder Signet?

[gray apex]

What do you mean?

[cedar olive]

TS makes the first Olympian Zeus, but between zones I changed it to a different keepsake. Will I still have Zeus as the first Olympian if I don't change my keepsake to TS?

(if I use give up)

[iron oyster]

I really wanna see Cerberus as a puppy for some reason

[gray apex]

Not necessarily

[cedar olive]

I see, I'll keep that in mind

Thank you

[brisk trail]

pretty sure if you give up, first 2 rooms will be identical

[gray apex]

They can change a bit

[brisk trail]

[gray apex]

Chamber 1 has shades and shades increment the rng and there’s also the big Tartarus banner that shows up

If you have a bit of aoe and end up breaking the pillars towards the end of the room you also increment the rng

And if you have BP active then what you do in the courtyard can have an effect on it

[brisk trail]

oh wait I meant room rewards stay the same

like your first boon/hammer + the next room

and if theres a chaos gate it will always be there

atleast I think

[gray apex]

Yes

[brisk trail]

[reef zodiac]

No

[stark mural]

Hi to get the Boss rewrads from heat 2 do I have to finish the whole game first on heat 1 ?

[gray apex]

You'll get bounties for the lowest heat that your bounty meter reaches

So if you're not done with Heat 1 Bounties and you do a run with 2 Heat on you'll get Heat 1 Bounties

Or whatever is left of them

[stark mural]

Ok I understand thank you

[lean timber]

this is extremely interesting. do you have a video or tutorial on hades rng somewhere? some kind of resource?

[gray apex]

https://youtu.be/AHdt35TDvNY This explains a lot of the basics of how rng works in this game

[lean timber]

😩 thank you!

[toxic sapphire]

can someone help me? i know this is a mega noob question, but i haven't played the game in a long time. how do i leave the house of hades to continue my run?

[icy knoll]

go to zag's room (bottom right)

there should be a mirror there, edit your abilities and whatnot

[toxic sapphire]

ty my guy

[icy knoll]

go out to the courtyard where skelly is, and the exit should be there

(pick weapons in the courtyard)

[toxic sapphire]

yup

[real wadi]

Hi guys

What would you recommend for 16 heat

[cedar olive]

Skill, lots of it

[real wadi]

Yeah, i'm talking about the pact

[cedar olive]

The time limit and Extreme Measures 4 if you're already used to it sounds like a good place to start, I'd say

[devout terrace]

[reef zodiac]

Lmao

[reef zodiac]

TD3, MM, EM2, UC, BP1, HL1 is a pretty simple pact

There’s a lot of options

But there are some things that you absolutely should stay away from

Under no circumstances (beside wanting to make the game harder than 16 heat would require) should you use:
JS, CP, EM4, RI, AP

[slim geyser]

wdym em4 is still the easiest pact

[reef zodiac]

[devout terrace]

Especially on sword and fists, its an instant pick from me

Easiest 20 heat is actually FO2 EM4 CP2 DC2 on arthur

[reef zodiac]

Adding more RNG to your run is always a good idea

Try to maximize the amount of RNG you can stack into your run

Don’t forget AP2 so that your boons are random

Then all you have to do is get lucky

[slim geyser]

yes

oh yeah by the way

zag sword and spear are the best weapons for high heat

[reef zodiac]

The best aspect for high heat is Chaos shield and then get vengeful mood and hide in the corner holding block. Easy 58 heat and if you’re lucky you might even be sub3 hours

[real wadi]

I used em4

Rip streak of 50

[reef zodiac]

That’s why you don’t listen to random people without getting a second opinion

EM4 is an incredibly brutal pact

[real wadi]

Yeah but i wanted to play and that was the only response

Thanks for the advice though

What if i cant do tight deadline 3

Is forced overtime 1 okay

Might as well try

[slim geyser]

oh yeah we were absolutely joking about that you might not want to listen to those lmao

[reef zodiac]

TD3 >> FO1

[umbral parrot]

guys

might be a little out of context

LO, praise of the prowess of people-kings
of spear-armed Danes, in days long sped,
we have heard, and what honor the athelings won!
Oft Scyld the Scefing from squadroned foes,
from many a tribe, the mead-bench tore,
awing the earls. Since erst he lay
friendless, a foundling, fate repaid him:
for he waxed under welkin, in wealth he throve,
till before him the folk, both far and near,
who house by the whale-path, heard his mandate,
gave him gifts

here is the prologue of beowulf

translated from old english

we also have beowulf in hades so i just wanted to post

[real wadi]

I can't do td3

[reef zodiac]

Then practice

[brisk trail]

Question. Where/Which channel can I offer a suggestion in? I have two weapon ideas and actually a god idea for the game that I think would work well.

[mint coral]

Game is done with updates

[reef zodiac]

Yeah they’re not adding any more content

[cedar olive]

A friend of mine may have kinda sorta taken a Chaos boon that hurts when using the rail's attack...just before going against the furies 😅

[reef zodiac]

Well tell them not to get hit?

[cedar olive]

They made it by the skin of the teeth

[real wadi]

I don't want to practice td3

[reef zodiac]

Then I guess just accept using worse pacts

[real wadi]

Sure

[reef zodiac]

TD3 is the only pact in the game that is truly free with practice

If you are able to do sub20 minute runs consistently, you can literally play as if TD3 is not there and it will impact your run in no way

Can’t say that for any other pact

[real wadi]

It's not fun to practice it so i don't wanna do it

[raw herald]

If you eventually want to do 32 as a long term goal, learning TD3 is one of the easiest ways to do it

And lc4

[real wadi]

i'm probably not gonna get there

[final plaza]

Welp this is my best run yet, I am at the final boss with 2 death defiances left and 275 health

[real wadi]

You got it

[final plaza]

Damn I got to the second phase and died

[reef zodiac]

Well for me, a fast run is always more fun than a slow run

Why spend 30 minutes on a run when I could spend 15 minutes on that same run instead

[real wadi]

Fair

You'll have to understand i'm not you

[slim geyser]

out of curiosity what were the ideas

but yeah they wouldnt be added

[brisk trail]

EM4

[reef zodiac]

WAIT WHAT

[slim geyser]

woah

[reef zodiac]

Insane!

[brisk trail]

no way dude

[slim geyser]

dont listen to us ever lmao

im going back to speedcord now

[brisk trail]

Pancake is right tho, practicing TD3 will make life easier than with taking something else

[real wadi]

i know right

[slim geyser]

the easiest 16 heat is obviously EM4, AP2 and HS

[reef zodiac]

RI4 LC4 TD2 HS

[signal aspen]

HL16

[real wadi]

EM5

Real

[slim geyser]

i forgot about R14

[brisk trail]

FO5

[reef zodiac]

Speeder is FO5

Actually speeder + FO2 is a +110% speed increase

So even worse than FO5

[slim geyser]

fo7

[reef zodiac]

Well more like FO5.5

[brisk trail]

sadge

it feels so

half full ya know

like there should just be more to it

[iron oyster]

Em4, hl3 cp3

And no im not nasty enough to tell them to do fo and ri and ap with em4

[iron oyster]

If you can get a sub-20, you should be able to

[iron oyster]

The game? It’s pretty damn complete imo

[slim geyser]

yeah no i dont think so

but what were your suggestions

[brisk trail]

CP3 doesn’t exist

[slim geyser]

you unlock cp3 when you beat em5 charon obviously

[iron oyster]

Kill me i forgot the max heats of everything

[signal aspen]

It does if you believe hard enough

[twin thistle]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide if your having trouble with td3 then getting ideas of building properly is a good start

[iron oyster]

Woe em5

[rich gulch]

My life and level of intellect already secures an EM5 level of hell for me.

That is to say, I make poor decisions as a result of being a numbskull.

[reef zodiac]

A numbskull with savior and cloner is still potentially a run ender

[brisk trail]

Not with zeus

[reef zodiac]

Potentially

And honestly it usually won’t end your run but it can really mess up a decent pace on Hestia

Depending on your build

[brisk trail]

Clearing cloning skulls/mounds with zeus is so satusfying

[iron oyster]

Almost the same thing, except the levelling effectiveness drops off when you do too many poms, and the rarity can’t be upgraded past red (heroic)

No, the levelling for poms are the same@across all rarities

Em 1 to 3 are basically free if you know the differences between the “upgraded” boss and the normal ones

I say “upgraded” because em 2 and 3 arguably make the hydra and heroes easier

Beowulf is broken

I think most flare poms do double their displayed number

I have brain damage that was a super old post

I clicked on a reply/message link by accident I think and didn’t realise I went almost a year back sorry for pings I’m an idiot

I’ll just piss off and die of embarrassment

[slim geyser]

nah i think thats just a trippy bug

mirage shot is the super bugged one

[iron oyster]

Only trippy?

Oh ok

[slim geyser]

100% damage babyy

[iron oyster]

Beo block is also broken

Why is beo broken in a good way

Easily makes it best aspect for me

[leaden birch]

Yeah honestly Beo is wild

[fast kelp]

Havent tried beowolf aspect cuz havent unlocked it but i like zag aspect

[iron oyster]

You have to try beo

I’m just gonna say, it’s a surprise that beo in the hades continuity died to a dragon

My guy had the most broken weapon in the world

[fast kelp]

How good is beo really

[iron oyster]

Broken as in scuffed as in glitched

[fast kelp]

Oh

[iron oyster]

And the glitches and bugs are all positive

[fast kelp]

Tell me some of the most useless bugs

[iron oyster]

For starters, the block for beo is double the radius of the other shields

240 degrees in front and to the left

Wait no to the right*

Sorry

[fast kelp]

Wait wtf

240?

[slim geyser]

insert big plate safe image

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/w9BMTSbpdoBzMKoZzXktGvout403NY2lkjo8rxzRLTY/https/media.discordapp.net/attachments/922208443446726676/926630165159739422/19871506-B533-467B-B28D-B33B111F8BA0.jpg

mirage shot does 100% damage instead of 30%

trippy flare has double poms

so 2 poms is like 200 dmg per hit

[leaden birch]

I didn't know that

God dayum

[pearl osprey]

I got that aspect yesterday

[ancient sigil]

Yeah I have been having a lot of fun with beo aspect

Might be one of my favorites

Is it weird I like the aspect of lucifer?

A lot of ppl are saying it’s bad

[leaden birch]

I sorta like it too

Idk a laser is just cool

the exaggerated swagger of a laser and bombs of pure hellfire

[brisk trail]

You’re allowed to like bad things

[ancient sigil]

I had a super good run with it yesterday with attack lightning and max attack speed from Hermes and a few chaos boons buffing attack

I could do like 1k dmg in a second cuz of the dmg rampup

[leaden birch]

very very cool

I gotta try it with Zeus' attack sometime

Also Demeter's
Idk a freeze ray sounds cool

[ancient sigil]

I always get drunken flourish with it

I like having the extra poison dmg

[leaden birch]

You can take Zeus' flourish if you want it to detonate sorta immediately

Since it activates whenever the lightning strikes

[ancient sigil]

Yeah

I rlly don’t like phalanx shot

From Athena

I feel like there are a lot better boons for cast

[brisk trail]

This is funny to me cos alcohol is poison

[iron oyster]

You give the shades liver cancer

And people who died of it just sigh and buckle up

[rich gulch]

Oh no, the louts would have damage resistance to all Hangover effects.

[slim geyser]

luci fun

[leaden birch]

so true

zero alcohol grindset

[brisk trail]

haelians new hades video is really interesting

[gray apex]

The route?

[brisk trail]

yeah the speedrun routing

I didn't know you could manipulate that stuff

explains why baj spams summon in his 64 vid

[gray apex]

Yea that's what a route is

[brisk trail]

I thought you like entered a pre determined seed somewhere

[gray apex]

Well you do use a predetermined seed but it only dictates what the first chamber reward is and what the second chamber reward is

And it keeps changing afterwards

[brisk trail]

very interesting indeed

[gray apex]

So offsets are used to manipulate it

It's quite hard to run

[brisk trail]

I'd imagine so

[gray apex]

And obviously creating the actual route

It looks a lot easier than it is

I tried it for like 4 hours straight

On the old Beowulf route

[cursive ingot]

Well, I’m learning the hard way that fists with posidon dash is a bad idea

Didn’t even think about it

[gray apex]

They are fine sort of

It can be difficult to hit some enemies

Because the dash keeps pushing them away

But the dash can do more damage than your attack lol

[cursive ingot]

Yeah that’s my trouble

[gray apex]

The speedrunning discord has all the files that you need to run a route, it's can actually be pretty fun and with some practice you can be very consistent at it, Tartarus is usually the trickiest part, if you're interested in running it ig

[brisk trail]

thanks for the info but I've no interest in proper speedrunning, atleast not atm

[gray apex]

||Soon ™️ ||

[brisk trail]

my focus is heat climbing

I find that more enjoyable

but I still care about time because if I finish a run with 19 mins that's not good enough and I need to do better because eventually I will add JS and I can't be slack

[gray apex]

Yea it just takes practice

I remember thinking the same

[raw sparrow]

whats better for chiron aspect on bow? concentrated volley, point blank shot or twin shot?

[raw herald]

Concentrated is the best at high titan blood level

If it’s level 1 or 2 Chiron bow then twin is probably better

[raw sparrow]

k thanks

[brisk trail]

if it's low level use something else

[vapid narwhal]

Yep lol.

[leaden birch]

max level Chiron is pretty cool

[brisk trail]

it's pretty fun

[leaden birch]

true

[brisk trail]

and has great single target damage

[leaden birch]

Rama's also very cool

bit slow sometimes

[brisk trail]

rama with double/triple point blank shot

[leaden birch]

Rama with

idk Hermes attack

prob easier to manage

[brisk trail]

[polar root]

Rama after getting used to beowulf is easy to manage

anything is

God maybe I should start a new save and play again

I haven't played hades in so long

[brisk trail]

if you do play on hell mode

[polar root]

ouu

right

thank you for that

[brisk trail]

that's what I would do if I ever started a fresh save

[mint coral]

Swift strikw doesnt apply to dash strikes

[iron oyster]

Fair, they probably drank gallons of wine every day

[iron oyster]

I still can’t believe that someone actually fell for the “em4 is free 10 heat” meme/trick

[pearl osprey]

I asked my friends their thoughts about EM4 hades and all said that he was easy to beat

actually it wasn't like that and from that point I decided to learn his pattern to actually beat him lol

[reef zodiac]

Have they ever done high heat EM4? Where he does 100 damage per spear throw, has over 78K hp, and moves 40% faster?

[signal aspen]

They're probably trolling lmao

[pearl osprey]

this

lol

although I took it with a grain of salt because those friends have much more hours put in this game than me so I understand why they think the boss is easier for them

[reef zodiac]

I mean low heat EM4 is pretty easy

But low heat anything is pretty easy for me

But EM4 becomes insanely bad when combined with other pacts

[pearl osprey]

so I should avoid taking EM4 when I get lots of heat?

[reef zodiac]

Absolutely

I don’t suggest taking EM4 until 50 heat at the lowest

And I’ve seen Angel go up to 56 heat on some aspects without EM4

EM4 bad

[brisk trail]

[reef zodiac]

Changed color again?

[brisk trail]

I have been blue for a few days now

[reef zodiac]

Well I didn’t notice until you changed your pfp lol

[brisk trail]

I do it alot

[signal aspen]

I was gonna change the color of my name but the bot died 😔

[brisk trail]

[modern hull]

When does artemis' heart unlock? Shes been blabbing about callisto for an eternity

[signal aspen]

When she's done talking about Callisto

[rich gulch]

Yes

Bloody lasers, AND THE DOG.

[reef zodiac]

Lasers aren’t too bad

[rich gulch]

Green pots are the next problem.

[reef zodiac]

Cerberus is a pretty dumb mechanic though

Not very well executed

[rich gulch]

WHERE ARE THE ROCKS COMING FROM!!!

So dad thinks a boulder dropping out of the sky is insane but an instantaneous meteor shower is a-ok?

[signal aspen]

Yes

[lean timber]

the ceiling

[rich gulch]

The ceiling that is the open air above the temple courtyard?

[desert folio]

technique question. i’ve read you can charge the spear spin while dashing. it seems not to work for me - i have to stand still until it is fully charged, only then i dash (and release it) - is this how it is supposed to work or am i doing something wrong?

[gray apex]

You can't charge it while dashing

You should dash-strike to start the spin tho

[desert folio]

yep, that i do. thanks for the confirmation

[reef zodiac]

Yeah dashing releases is

And it starts charging faster out of a dash strike

So usually the combo is dash strike -> hold button to charge -> dash to release spin

[desert folio]

oh, that’s useful info, i didn’t know that, thanks

[reef zodiac]

Dash strikes are better for almost every weapon

[desert folio]

but charging the spin attack after a dash doesn’t make it weaker, right? (like the bow power shot coming out of a dash)

[reef zodiac]

No

[toxic sapphire]

he probably uses a trainer lmao

[pearl osprey]

I don't even know what is that

[toxic sapphire]

@pearl osprey it's a downloadable set of hacks to modify most singleplayer games

you can turn on options like "invincibility" or "one hit kill"

it works great but what's the fun in it

[umbral parrot]

so..

I beat the game with 3 heat

and

this mean the boss rewards will reset when i beat the game on 3 heat again, right?

after i beat it the 3rd time with 3 heat i need to switch it to 4 heat for boss rewards to reset

[strong ridge]

the fun is learning how trainers work

[strong ridge]

rewards r sequential & u get them as long as the heat is higher or = than the reward #

[umbral parrot]

ow

dont use swears

!

[pearl osprey]

I thought you are talking about something in game perk or smth

[pearl osprey]

sry

[strong ridge]

they sayin ur friends l33t hacer

[toxic sapphire]

i mean i guess...

[strong ridge]

thats generally y ppl bother with em imo

[fast willow]

wait how did the bot not catch this

wtf

[gray apex]

It's down

[fast willow]

oh

[devout terrace]

wait the bot doesnt work anymore

lets go

[narrow hemlock]

remember we are watching

[gray apex]

scawy

[devout terrace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/734598253189922826.gif?size=44&quality=lossless

[rich gulch]

Big Brother is always watching.

[real wadi]

got 16 heat

Wasn't hard tbh

[rich gulch]

Go for 32 next. On that note, let me try to beat 32 this time again.

[real wadi]

Probably getting all the achievements first

[fast kelp]

32 heat sounds hard

But since im an aegis user, i can pull it off probably

With good rng

As long i can get piercing shot, i can take on most bosses

[rich gulch]

Going for an Achilles spear win myself. Dad chucks though.

[terse finch]

hello i have stoped playing for a while anything new in the last update?

like what are this other minor fixes?

[devout terrace]

Other minor fixes

Not actual fixes since there are still plenty of bugs around

[terse finch]

i havent played since last year and never checked the update logs

[reef zodiac]

Beowulf makes 32 very manageable

[pearl osprey]

I suppose beowulf is good with cast build or is there another build that is good with it?

[reef zodiac]

Cast build obviously

[pearl osprey]

yeah I figured

[reef zodiac]

For 32 heat, you can either use flood flare and look for mirage shot, or passion flare

[pearl osprey]

haven't done a good cast build before so I might try that

[pearl osprey]

I see

[reef zodiac]

You can still get mirage on passion flare but it’s rarer

Also Mirage Shot is bugged on Beowulf

It gives 100% extra damage instead of 30%

[pearl osprey]

[reef zodiac]

There’s a lot of Beo bugs

You can find them in my bug document

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12CDUZVhVIqKtDbQYPS1-4nZEm4pVQm4QG8BxHkquWDQ/edit

[pearl osprey]

ngl I didn't expect this game to have bugs like these because it runs flawlessly at least from my POV

[reef zodiac]

It’s not that kind of bug

It’s not “glitchy”

It’s just numbers and stuff

It’s not about how well it runs at all

[pearl osprey]

yeah I see what you meant

btw it will take a while for me to memorise all the boons' names

I just started to play this game and I cannot for the life of me get bored of it

[slim geyser]

rougelikes are addicting tbh

[gray apex]

I've had it for over a year now

[slim geyser]

im still trying to memorize hermes and chaos icons

to no avail tbh

hermes is a bit easier

[pearl osprey]

it is moreso that I can play wherever I want and whenever I want

[reef zodiac]

Hermes has multiple boons with the same icon

[slim geyser]

[pearl osprey]

since I come from uni and I can be tired or not feeling like playing anything or I am at uni and I have a 2 hour break in between courses/seminar

I will just sit somewhere to play this game

[quaint rune]

Would ares special with dire misfortune on Zeus shield work good?

[gray apex]

It would be fine yea

You can look for Athena instead and just get Merciful End

It'll do more damage

And it's an easy setup on Zeus shield because you dont need dash

Try to get impending afterwards

[quaint rune]

ah okay that makes sense thanks

[reef zodiac]

Without ME your damage is gonna be pretty bad in the later half of your run

At least compared to Zeus special

[quaint rune]

Yeah now if only I was lucky

[lucid dome]

wait till you beat hades and then just cant beat him again for like 20 runs

[icy knoll]

how does rush delivery work

do i get the +50% damage if i have any movement speed, or do i get +50% of my bonus movement speed

so if i had 10% from the plume, would i get +5% damage?

[signal aspen]

That

[quaint rune]

bro where is Zeus at i've been looking for him for 3 runs now

[reef zodiac]

Try using his keepsake

[signal aspen]

probably looking for him to get his keepsake

[quaint rune]

I wish I could

[terse finch]

I have reset my save i notice that meaby the 1st dialoage with mother has change i remeber she said to never comeback or was the 2nd dialoge?

[reef zodiac]

What

[cyan canyon]

Is there a certain aspect I should use?

Rn I only have the aspects of chaos and Zeus

[reef zodiac]

A certain aspect you should use?

There’s 24 in the game

[cyan canyon]

Like not use per say

Buu is there one that typically comes up as the best or one of the best?

[icy knoll]

nope, but there are a few "bad" ones

zag sword, zag spear, gilgamesh

just go where the dark thirst guides

[toxic sapphire]

gilgamesh is bad?

[icy knoll]

slow attacks + maim is bad

really fun if you unbind attack and special and go for a tidal dash run tho

[toxic sapphire]

yeah

objectively you wanna get guan yu first, right?

[icy knoll]

you have to get gy before getting any of the other hidden aspects

it's a requirement

[toxic sapphire]

kk

how many requirements are there to unlock it?

you gotta unlock the other aspects first

[icy knoll]

it's pinned somewhere

[toxic sapphire]

and then achilles will just randomly give you the unlock line...

[icy knoll]

||Aspect of Guan Yu. Acquire the Fated List, unlock at least 5 other aspects, and fight Hades at least once (outcome is irrelevant). Achilles should tell you more in a conversation soon after that.||

[hardy atlas]

So one of my friends just got the game and when asking for advice I told them that Charon will occasionally have a bag of money free for you to take.

[shut palm]

I have no idea where to put this but|| hey why the HECK is there a secret Charon boss fight and why did it drain me of my death defiances ||

[shut palm]

You are a menace to society

I literally just got that encounter I’m gonna have a stroke

[hardy atlas]

We do this to each other

[shut palm]

😭

[pearl root]

bro who hurt you

[reef zodiac]

Charon fight is really fun

Very unique

Well designed

I should fight him more but I often do runs where it’s not really an option (hitless, speedruns, high heat)

[pearl osprey]

I already experienced that with EM4 Hades

until I got Arthur and I got extremely lucky in getting 4k crits while he was healing himself

[obtuse jackal]

question about the shackles

if i were to say have a dash boon

will my buffs

be gone from the shackle?

nvm :>

i read more about it

[iron oyster]

finally got a sub 14

[icy knoll]

what would a cf2 hoarding slash golden touch build look like

i'm really tempted to try and see how high i can get my gold count

[reef zodiac]

what

[icy knoll]

yes.

[reef zodiac]

Why CF2

How does that contribute

Also I’ll tell you what it looks like: mediocre. Hoarding slash is quite bad, it makes you give up boons + poms and in exchange you get quite a small amount of damage

[rich gulch]

Pancake, you should rename yourself to The Crusher of Dreams methinks.

[icy knoll]

oh i mean for 32 heat

[reef zodiac]

[icy knoll]

[reef zodiac]

Oh

Well I guess it doesn’t really make a difference since I assume you won’t be buying anything

[icy knoll]

does hoarding slash boost base damage or just add damage

[reef zodiac]

Add damage

If you have 300 gold, it will increase your dash strike damage the same amount as a common lvl 1 heartbreak strike

With 600 gold, it’s doing just as much as Shackle (except only to your attack and not your special)

You could also just buy 4 boons with that money

[raw sparrow]

hey do you keep lambet plumes's bonus dodge if you unequip it?

[raw herald]

No

[raw sparrow]

dang

also lets goo i got the euridice room

time to sit here for an hour

[fast willow]

but why

[raw sparrow]

to listen to the music duh

i have the soundtrack but idk it sounds better ingame

[slim geyser]

facts

[obtuse jackal]

💜 agreed

[quaint rune]

How much is it to fully complete the mirror? roughly

[pearl root]

a lot

[reef zodiac]

25 darkness

[quaint rune]

ah thanks

[brisk trail]

More than 5000 is all I know so far

[desert folio]

a need for clarification. is it correct that shatteres shackles keeps the bonus on unbooned slots if …

1. you get a boon on either one of them
2. you get a dash attack boon?

[desert folio]

35.365 darkness exactly

[mint coral]

Boons on 1 slot dont affect the others ye
And dash boons also dont affect the shackles

[desert folio]

thanks

[quaint rune]

ah so just a couple

thanks

[iron oyster]

Like 20k I think

That’s for only red

The entire thing is idk

[oblique tundra]

man

i used to hate the bow

then i got good

or better

[iron oyster]

Same

[pearl osprey]

I used to hate the bow

then I found out about Chiron

[oblique tundra]

same dude

[pearl osprey]

I stopped hating the bow afterwards

altho it became stale for me rly quick to play with it

[oblique tundra]

i love chiron

[pearl osprey]

I very much like Arthur

[brisk trail]

[umbral parrot]

Guys guys guys

i have great news

i think

so i beat hades back to back now

kinda

i beat him twice in 3 runs which is very new for me

so i think this means i am fit to play high heat now

@high island Nyaanyaa, i unlocked the special aspect for Varatha but i dont know if it is worth using. Is it actually good?

[high island]

Yeah, it can be decent enough and is a lot of fun. But it's gonna be very difficult to survive with it at Lv.1 because your HP is so low.

[umbral parrot]

[gray apex]

hammer reliance

[umbral parrot]

Having a heroic aphrodite attack boon, flurry jab, and like 3 attack amplifiers feels so good

[umbral parrot]

And also, apparently there is a boon from Lady Demeter (i think) that upgrades the rarity of a boon every 3 chambers

thats basically how i got the boon from Lady Aphrodite to heroic

[brisk trail]

it's every 3 enemy encounters

[rich gulch]

Varatha is the superior weapon.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/506944220737699843/961974121204445274/zagsmug.png

[iron oyster]

Shield all the way beo is busted due to its 10000 glitches that make it good

[reef zodiac]

My theory is that everyone who likes Chiron would love Hestia

I don’t quite understand why Arthur and Chiron are so popular with new players but Hestia isn’t really

[brisk trail]

I don't like the hestia playstyle

[reef zodiac]

How

[brisk trail]

?

[reef zodiac]

You don’t like sniping enemies for 500 from a distance?

[brisk trail]

reload>shoot>reload>shoot>reload>shoot>reload>shoot is boring to me

[reef zodiac]

Then don’t do that LMAO

Optimal Hestia play is way more than that

[brisk trail]

it still comes down to reload shoot

no matter what else you throw in there

[warped iron]

well at that point so does any gun aspect

🤔

[reef zodiac]

Reload -> special -> dash strike -> reload -> cast to cancel reload animation -> dash strike out of cast animation -> reload ->

Literally has the most complicated attack combos in the game

Watch a speedrun or something

[brisk trail]

umm ok and? that doesn't make it any less boring to me

[reef zodiac]

?????????????????

Have you tried optimal Hestia play? Ever

It’s incredibly hard to learn

[brisk trail]

when someone doesn't like the same thing as you

[reef zodiac]

But you haven’t done it

You’re saying you don’t like it but all you’ve done is press two buttons while standing in place

When the actual optimal play is 5 buttons and is completely different

[brisk trail]

I've done all of that except the cast

adding cast isn't gonna suddenly make it fun

[reef zodiac]

You special to cancel the reload?

[brisk trail]

yes

it's still not fun

[reef zodiac]

Do you dash strike to hit one enemy with tidal dash and then hit a different one with your attack

[brisk trail]

no

but even if I did the core gameplay loop is the same

[reef zodiac]

And then reload special cancel dash dash attack for a group of enemies

It’s seriously not

Your complaint with the weapon doesn’t make sense

[brisk trail]

ok

[gray apex]

Pancake at it again

[reef zodiac]

I know that because I used to have that complaint. And then I learned how to use the weapon and now it’s literally my favorite weapon in the game

[brisk trail]

hestia or no hestia I think rail is the least fun weapon in the game

[reef zodiac]

That’s crazy

[brisk trail]

[reef zodiac]

Zag bow is the least fun weapon in the game

That weapon literally is just two buttons

Actually puts me to sleep

[brisk trail]

weapon not aspect

[reef zodiac]

Rail is the actual most fun weapon in the game for me

[reef zodiac]

but different aspects play completely differently to each other

Zag bow is insanely boring while Rama is incredibly interesting and fun

[brisk trail]

yeah I know, and considering all the aspects each weapon has, overall rail is the least enjoyable for me

i agree rama is very interesting and fun

[reef zodiac]

I think all 4 rail aspects are in my top 8 most fun

[brisk trail]

cool :)

[reef zodiac]

What is it you don’t enjoy about playing rail, I’m actually curious

[mint coral]

Someone did a concept of that on #fan-works too lol

[brisk trail]

I don't like shooting things or having to aim a weapon. This isn't hades exclusive, I'm not a fun of guns in anything that isn't a shooter. I much prefer melee combat in basically everything I play. Specifically in hades I really enjoy dashing around hitting things with a sword or shield.

[reef zodiac]

You shouldn’t have to aim at all

Do you have auto-aim on?

[brisk trail]

no

[reef zodiac]

Well

[brisk trail]

and you missed the point

[reef zodiac]

There’s your issue

Aim at cursor is cursed

[brisk trail]

even if I had aimbot I still wouldn't enjoy it

[reef zodiac]

Also Eris is a melee weapon. Just plays like faster fists without hit stun

[brisk trail]

sure

[thick valley]

omg I just saw it... amazing...

[brisk trail]

have you tried brawlhalla

it has sword, spear, bow, gun and fists

[reef zodiac]

Wait have you ever played spread fire zag rail

[brisk trail]

can you please just let me not like rail in peace

[reef zodiac]

I mean

Sure?

[brisk trail]

thanks

[gray apex]

[brisk trail]

[icy knoll]

is it?

[reef zodiac]

Yes

[icy knoll]

i've only ever played aim at cursor and there's definitely some autoaim

[reef zodiac]

Yeah but

You shouldn’t have to put in a single bit of effort into aiming with rail

[icy knoll]

but i like putting effort into things

[reef zodiac]

Put effort into playing well

Let the game aim your rail for you

[icy knoll]

wouldn't that be gilgamesh since it's only one button

[reef zodiac]

Lmao

Honestly no

Gilgamesh at least feel unique

I wouldn’t want to play it often though

[umbral parrot]

Achilles spear is good

[mint coral]

Is so nice

[signal aspen]

Lmao

[icy knoll]

was i not supposed to do that

[reef zodiac]

[icy knoll]

is the autoaim really so strong that it deals with just eight directions

and just makes you hit anything

[gray apex]

On Rail only

[icy knoll]

ah

so i turn on aim at cursor for bow

[gray apex]

Yes

Anything that isnt rail should have Aim at cursor on for the most part

[icy knoll]

noted

[reef zodiac]

Wait does this even mean

I play on console so I’ve never used aim at cursor, I’ve just heard it’s bad for rail

[brisk trail]

[icy knoll]

meant that you can hit your opponent every time with just eight directions

[reef zodiac]

Yes

You can

No aiming required

[icy knoll]

crazy

[gray apex]

It's only 8 directions when you actually have control of it

[reef zodiac]

Crazy that “auto aim” automatically aims

[gray apex]

And if there are enemies nearby you wont have any control over it

[signal aspen]

Turning off aim at cursor for rail is aimbot

It aims for you

[brisk trail]

[gray apex]

It'll lock onto them you literally cant move it

[brisk trail]

All skill

[signal aspen]

But there's this

[icy knoll]

i have auto aim on i didn't know it'd affect kb so much

[gray apex]

Well with aim at cursor on it's barely auto aim

[reef zodiac]

Only time I have issues with auto aim are:

1. On Hestia when I’m trying to break a pot but can’t aim my attack
2. Beowulf special because it sucks for some reason
3. Achilles special because it won’t let me not miss like wtf the angle is so wide why

[gray apex]

You have to turn it off for the auto aim to take over

[tawdry fossil]

i played gilgamesh like once then forgot about it

feels clunky

[reef zodiac]

It sucks

[ionic harness]

:(

[candid sparrow]

Silly combo: Rocket Bomb and Cluster bomb. Its like the special attack on the bow except even more punchy.

[signal aspen]

"even more" is that implying that bow special is punchy

[reef zodiac]

LMAO “silly combo”

[candid sparrow]

Fair point. Most of the time when I use the bow special gets Deflect so I don't have to aim so prescisely to knock things back.

[reef zodiac]

You do realize this is what every rail speedrunner looks for

It’s famously broken

400 base damage

[signal aspen]

It is kinda silly tho, seeing five rockets fly out of a gun

[reef zodiac]

When I hear “silly combo”, I don’t expect the next words to be the quintessential meta Rail build that literally everyone hopes to find

[signal aspen]

Well I look for Delta hazard

Guess I'm not like the other hades players

[candid sparrow]

Hm...what's the pick here from all epics: Tempest Strike, Typhoon's Fury, Breaking Wave or spin the dice?

[signal aspen]

Rail?

Imma assume yes