h1-discussion

[twin thistle]

same with a second cast and no dmg increases

[raw herald]

Second cast is just mirage shot except you have to click twice but you get slightly more flexibility

[feral belfry]

gotchya

dio with mirage shot obviously sounds harder to pull off that flood flare beo

[chrome reef]

Yall ever go for Heart Rend Arthur and then accidentally make a cast build

[reef zodiac]

For speedruns, take chamber 1 flood flare and look for deadly strike and mirage.
For high heat, take chamber 1 passion flare and look for either mirage or snow burst (both if you’re lucky)
Dio Beo is also super fun, and is actually my favorite build in the game, but imo it’s not optimal for either of those things. However your priority with Trippy Flare Beo needs to be Mirage Shot and Poms on your cast (because of the bugged pom scaling)

[feral belfry]

ty

[mint ember]

new pb 15:29

couldve been sub 15 but got unlucky with thanatos summon

getting closer and closer to not being a speedwalker

[reef zodiac]

Thanatos pauses in game time

Oh summon

Wait what do you mean by that

[twin thistle]

usually meg is better

[mint ember]

Dad went invuln last second

[reef zodiac]

But… that’s not luck

You can tell when he’s gonna do that

Based off his health

[mint ember]

well not invuln

the darkness thin

[reef zodiac]

That’s why you use Meg

[mint ember]

yea yea

anyway

still pb

still finally got hyperdelivery on full crit build

[twin thistle]

best to use than second phase during lasers if you want to hit it

[reef zodiac]

Meg is much more consistent and also actually useful for minibosses

[mint ember]

yea i just wanted to see the big 3500

i also dont play on the max save very often

[lament robin]

If you could add a keepsake to Hades, what would you add? Personally, I'd add a keepsake that increases the chance at getting a Daedalus Hammer

[reef zodiac]

But

[lament robin]

Not that they're rare, but it feels weird that there's a keepsake for each god (aside from Hermes' keepsake being different) but not one for Daedalus hammers

[reef zodiac]

You have guaranteed two hammers

You literally have 2 guaranteed every run

[mint ember]

i want a 5 hammer run

i want that to be possible

[reef zodiac]

You can get 3

[lament robin]

Oh wait, are they legit guaranteed?

[reef zodiac]

With Anvil

[reef zodiac]

Yes

[lament robin]

Oh

[reef zodiac]

Same with Hermes

[mint ember]

i want more

[reef zodiac]

Try mods

[lament robin]

Oh, THATS WHY he always shows up first in Asphodel!

[mint coral]

if you avoid it too much is possible to have less but is more rare than just having the 2 lol

[reef zodiac]

Lol yeah

To get less than 2, you’d have to be trying to avoid them

Hermes is the same way but it feels like it’s easier to miss your second Hermes than your second hammer

Also you can’t get your second hammer until Elysium

Where you can get two Hermes in Asphodel

Or buy one in Tart and get one in Asphodel

[mint coral]

or both hermes in tart if you take a chaos/erebus extension

[reef zodiac]

Really?

I’ve never gotten more than one Hermes in Tartarus

[mint coral]

yeah if you buy one then take a extension the game can give you another hermes on the free reward before the boss

[reef zodiac]

Oh weird. And that can’t happen without an extension? Is it a quirk where it’s set to not offer you Hermes before chamber 13?

[mint coral]

not so sure if 100% needed i readed about it in the routed runs channels of the speedrun server

[reef zodiac]

Interesting

[mint coral]

i think wmic attempt at a eris route uses that? iirc

[raw herald]

I’m gonna make a tier list

[reef zodiac]

I’ll make one too

Why not

[chrome reef]

Good list

My turn

[hearty mural]

I haven’t played with many of them so massive grain of salt but nyx higher patrolucus lower and Achilles lower

[chrome reef]

https://imgur.com/a/M92FBiC

[hearty mural]

Acorn is better than that

How does Hermes work?

[chrome reef]

Take with a grain of salt, I havent leveled all of these up

[mint coral]

clear encounter during the timer it appears, gets dodge/mov speed

[chrome reef]

If you clear an encounter quickly, gain more dodge chance

Fair enough

Im used to people malding at me

pancake

did you say plus eight

I should

probably upgrade that

Right

oops

cough anyways

[mint coral]

charon keepsake is super fun when wells are blessed

[reef zodiac]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/868852801663565824/927364717012480011/IMG_3081.png

[mint coral]

stacking stygian shards is fun

[reef zodiac]

Charon Keepsake is very good

[mint ember]

harpys is very useful for newer players

[reef zodiac]

Nah

I don’t agree

[chrome reef]

The Cerberus placement hurted

[reef zodiac]

Acorn is still better

[reef zodiac]

It’s just never ever worth using

[mint ember]

youre assuming they getting past meg before they gift dusa

[inland mantle]

Acorn top tier

[reef zodiac]

Obv

Which YouTubers are you talking about

I’ve only ever watched Haelian

[inland mantle]

Than keepsake good because than is hot

[reef zodiac]

That’s stupid

Butterfly sucks

[chrome reef]

I mean a flat 50 more hp has saved me more times than I can count

[reef zodiac]

Where

[chrome reef]

I mean, you're not wrong

[chrome reef]

Usually Styx

[reef zodiac]

Acorn is usually more like 250 hp

[mint coral]

cerb keepsake was neat at the start

[void vigil]

Just as a reminder, please don’t evade the swear filter

[reef zodiac]

If you’re avoiding Hades spins

[hearty mural]

Does a timer show up to define quickly?

[mint coral]

yup

under the keepsake it shows a timer

[chrome reef]

Which is why its the last one I equip

[reef zodiac]

Plume is useful for getting RD or Bad News, that’s it

[reef zodiac]

Or use Acorn and block an absolute ton of hades damage

[chrome reef]

Havent maxed it out yet

[reef zodiac]

Yes better than butterfly but still definitely not worth using beside for forcing RD and Bad News early

[chrome reef]

inb4 "thats your problem"

[mint ember]

n o

[mint coral]

only to the boss of that area

[reef zodiac]

Even lvl 1 Acorn is imo at least 2x as good as lvl 3 collar

[mint coral]

those are minibosses

[chrome reef]

Yeah but I'm better at avoiding Hades damage then I am poison

[reef zodiac]

Huh?

Really?

[chrome reef]

Yeah

[reef zodiac]

Then use Spearpoint

[chrome reef]

what does Spearpoint do I forgot

[reef zodiac]

Also just focus on curing poison as soon as you get it

[mint coral]

1.5 secs of invencibility upon receiving dmg

7 seconds cooldown iirc?

[chrome reef]

Ah

[reef zodiac]

Yeah

[chrome reef]

Nice

[reef zodiac]

It’s bad too

[chrome reef]

[reef zodiac]

Never better than just acorn or tooth

But still better than collar, at least for Styx

No the cooldown is always 7s

[mint coral]

lvl only upgrades invencibility time

is like 1 sec at lvl 1?

[reef zodiac]

I genuinely don’t understand how people struggle so much with poison. No disrespect, I just don’t get it

Can’t you just instantly cure it, often before you even take any damage?

[mint coral]

panic ig

[last veldt]

It's kinda designed to make you panic

[reef zodiac]

Then pause the game.

[lone kernel]

Because it triggers a panic reaction. I eventually learned to just pause when I got poisoned

[chrome reef]

"Nah I don't need to cure it, I'm about to kill the last enemy"

[reef zodiac]

Pause and find a well.

[lone kernel]

But teaching myself to pause like

that’s hard

[mint coral]

yeah that took me a bit to learn too lol

[lone kernel]

my therapist figured it out after like three years

[last veldt]

Realistically it's not that harmful, but it disrupts your play when you aren't used to it.

[lone kernel]

of my impulsive ass doing dumb stuff

[reef zodiac]

But that’s not struggling with poison, that’s struggling with your own impatience (I do this too btw lol)

[chrome reef]

Its both

[lone kernel]

Killing the last enemy when poisoned is a Chad move

You do that when you know it’s faster to kill them then heal lol

If you’re not sure, heal

[reef zodiac]

Even so, there’s no way you’re more likely to take 50 entire damage from poison than you are to get hit by a single Hades spin

[lone kernel]

You’ll memorize their locations sooner or later I promise

[chrome reef]

Also to elaborate, the joke was this is not the last enemy

[raw herald]

“I don’t need to cure, I’ve got a stubborn defiance to lose!”

[chrome reef]

there is in fact another wave

[chrome reef]

I mean hes right

[reef zodiac]

Oh lmao big rooms

[mint coral]

that sounds like a recipe to haelian egg gif

[reef zodiac]

Another wave? In Styx? Never seen it in my life

[raw herald]

And then it turns out you don’t have stubborn defiance

[lone kernel]

thats what letting yoruself get poisoned is for

[lone kernel]

im grateful to hades discord for putting so many horror stories in my head that ive yet to derp a SD healing seppuku and end my run

[raw herald]

I’ve done it too many times

[last veldt]

That meme is hilarious...

[chrome reef]

Look all im saying is

There wouldn't be a "satyr problem" and poison if Cerberus would do his damn job

[reef zodiac]

I’ve done it at least 3 times

[mint coral]

i havent done that yet but i've got fished into death lmao

[reef zodiac]

Actually more like 5+

I remember one where I ran right into an Elysium arrow for 100 damage right before beating C34

[lone kernel]

happens to the best of us

[raw herald]

Have you Achilles speciald into a trap before

[lone kernel]

except for me apparently

[chrome reef]

so you aren't the best of us

[reef zodiac]

I’ve also killed myself right after killing lernie twice at least

[lone kernel]

oh that doesnt count, i meant intentional dying to heal from SD and having it kill me

[lone kernel]

nope

@lone kernel

[chrome reef]

Mans pinged himself lmao

[lone kernel]

but yes, achilles special has screwed me lol

[reef zodiac]

Nah I never really used Achilles at high heat

[lone kernel]

i knew what i was doing

😉

[reef zodiac]

Gecktu

[chrome reef]

Achilles special screwed me over for the longest time because I would always throw it in the lava

and one of my friends watched me play and said "you know you can just call it back normally right"

And I went "oh" and he did irl

[reef zodiac]

Achilles auto-aim on controller is evil

[chrome reef]

It auto aims on controller?

[reef zodiac]

Yes

[chrome reef]

Thats rough

[reef zodiac]

And unlike other auto-aim, it’s nearly impossible to intentionally miss

Auto-aim on most things is great in my experience

[chrome reef]

Especially Chiron

[reef zodiac]

Especially everything except Achilles lmao

[last veldt]

It's fine on PS4, but maybe I'm just used to it

[reef zodiac]

It just has an insane snap radius

If you want to aim somewhere else, you have to aim at least 100 degrees away or something

[lone kernel]

I tend to compensate by just double tapping special so it’s basically just a third dash

yay bumpers

[reef zodiac]

Actually

It might be nearly 180 tbh

[lone kernel]

mod your controller pancake its life changing

I’m not trolling, it made me 8 heat better

[reef zodiac]

How does that help with the Achilles special auto-aim

[lone kernel]

Becomes so much easier to double tap special

[reef zodiac]

I don’t have trouble with that

[lone kernel]

yea, but you’ll be able to dash out of it immediately now

[reef zodiac]

I can do that already

[lone kernel]

as opposed to that quarter second that ely arrow/lava

can cook you

[chrome reef]

https://imgur.com/a/CNjfNaG Duo Tier List

[raw herald]

Oh I’m making one of these

[reef zodiac]

I’ll make one too

Hold on

[chrome reef]

https://tiermaker.com/create/hades-all-duo-boons--850873 heres the link

[reef zodiac]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/868852801663565824/927372596339699762/IMG_3082.png

[reef zodiac]

What do you have against crystal clarity and sea storm?

[raw herald]

https://imgur.com/a/8SqHsLs

[reef zodiac]

Ours are similar

[raw herald]

Get exclusive access up a couple

[reef zodiac]

Maybe

[raw herald]

Nvm just swap ea with sweet nectar

[reef zodiac]

But

Poms

[raw herald]

Epic rd and epic chaos

[oak ibex]

Pom nom nom-

[reef zodiac]

Maybe it’s Beo bias

[raw herald]

Also stubborn roots f is bold

Maybe I should just get gud and not lose sd but idk

[reef zodiac]

Gotta go fast

[chrome reef]

Crystal Clarity is just very okay

[reef zodiac]

Explain that

[chrome reef]

Especially since you need my least favorite cast to use it

and Sea Storm I used once

[reef zodiac]

Well crystal beam is very bad without it

[chrome reef]

and I didnt like it

[reef zodiac]

But Crystal Clarity builds with Achilles can absolutely shred

My first Achilles 32 was with CClarity

[lone kernel]

[reef zodiac]

LMAO

[chrome reef]

That

makes sense

I really liked Ice Wine Achilles

[reef zodiac]

Eh

[last veldt]

Ice wine is nice for the extra speed

[reef zodiac]

Good for boss damage I think

But very slow for room clear

[lone kernel]

Ice wine just feels fun

Snap finger to make explosion

Scintillating tho

my first 32 on shield

[chrome reef]

Thats where Scnili-whatever the hell its called comes in

[reef zodiac]

Ice Wine bad because it’s bad for Dio Beo
Scintillating good because it’s good for Dio Beo

[reef zodiac]

Not really actually

I don’t plan to sit around and watch my enemies slowly die while my clock runs down. Gotta go fast

[chrome reef]

I mean

[lone kernel]

it isnt slow lol

[chrome reef]

Are you just

[lone kernel]

[chrome reef]

not attacking with the spear during that time

[reef zodiac]

It’s slow if you’re saying you get your damage from Scintillating Feast

[last veldt]

It's not the fastest, but it's one of the most satisfying builds IMO

[chrome reef]

[reef zodiac]

They insist that Charon is the easiest most free boss ever idk why

[chrome reef]

I mean

Alecto is right there

[reef zodiac]

Alecto is the hardest Fury wym

[chrome reef]

In what world

[reef zodiac]

?????

[chrome reef]

??????

[reef zodiac]

She’s by far the hardest

Especially for hitless

[chrome reef]

For hitless I can see because of the spinny blade

[reef zodiac]

???

No

That’s the easy attack

[chrome reef]

What the hell is the hard one

[reef zodiac]

Alecto is by far the hardest

[chrome reef]

I mean the attack

[reef zodiac]

Oh

The projectiles

The little ones

Plus she’s way harder to predict

Alecto seems to be generally agreed upon as the hardest Fury by high heat runners

[chrome reef]

Oh

High Heat

That explains it

[reef zodiac]

?

[chrome reef]

My highest is like

[reef zodiac]

I mean they’re all literally so free without EM1

[chrome reef]

17

[reef zodiac]

That’s not relevant

[chrome reef]

Then what IS relevant

[reef zodiac]

Just which fury is hardest

Which is Alecto

For sure

By far

Not that she’s even that hard (outside of hitless)

Just harder than the other two for sure

[chrome reef]

She always seems the freest to me because her surrounding projectile is slower and there are not that many

Also she tends to stand still a lot

or at least BE still

[reef zodiac]

What is BE

[chrome reef]

One moment

[chrome reef]

https://imgur.com/a/zLj8No1

[reef zodiac]

Bruh

You capitalized it

I thought it stood for something

[chrome reef]

[charred tusk]

i beat the game by 7 times now, are there any alternative routes or bosses?

tho seems kinda hard to make it connect with the story

[reef zodiac]

Alternative routes?

There is the optional Charon fight

And there’s the extreme measures condition which changed the main bosses

[manic bobcat]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/ru7060/infinite_hp/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

This is bull crap, yeah?

[reef zodiac]

That makes me sad

[manic bobcat]

Makes modded gameplay, post to Reddit

???

Karma

[reef zodiac]

Is it modded? I didn’t look too close

[manic bobcat]

It must be

There is no way you heal that much

[reef zodiac]

Wym

Don’t you?

They have flurry slash

I think

[raw herald]

I think its just heroic attack speed

[manic bobcat]

They heal 50+ health in less than a sec

That's 25 slashes per second

Call me crazy but i don't think that's possible at all

[charred tusk]

i liked extreme measures but i guess there is no secret stuff in the middle

[reef zodiac]

I mean there’s Erebus gates

[charred tusk]

and since hades is extremely linear and has no map its prolly hard to integrate it as well

[reef zodiac]

Yeah

[charred tusk]

oh yeah i need to unlock those

imma see what those are firsthand

thx

[manic bobcat]

[slim jacinth]

hey hey! im drawing a picture with zagerus and altered bone hydra and wanted to see if its okay! (before drawing the final lineart, i want to make sure i got it at least bit game accurate!) thank you

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/923412599087964241/927393960270385202/unknown.png

[wary mural]

looking good

[tribal sleet]

looks njce

[slim jacinth]

oh nice, thank you!!

[distant vessel]

How do you guys ever handle lucifer with forced overtime. Trying it out right now and the enemies just run me through.

[lone kernel]

I haven’t gotten anywhere without flash fire hammer

But I think it’s by spamming special

Triple bomb also solid

[feral belfry]

Cursed slash, with flurry, with Hermes boost in attack speed

[lone kernel]

Or just get Zeus attack into Samir

[reef zodiac]

Wym?

Lucifer is better with FO2

Faster jolted procs

Stonks

[distant vessel]

So far I'm now in asphodel with greater inferno hammer upgrade

[reef zodiac]

Why

[lone kernel]

Because he’s at the try to figure the weapon out stage

[reef zodiac]

Fair

[lone kernel]

Greater inferno is fun

[reef zodiac]

#h1-victory-boasting message
This was my Luci 45

[lone kernel]

Trip bomb flash fire are prob the best hammers to start with

And Zeus attack

No shame in just slapping smair on it

[distant vessel]

Hmmm, the other choice was triple beam on attack and i forgot the third one

[reef zodiac]

Zeus attack goated for sure

Triple beam is meh

[lone kernel]

Would ya look at that - flash fire and triple bomb

[reef zodiac]

Lmao yep

AP1 too

Every luci hammer is at least decent tbf

[distant vessel]

Hopefully i get zeus later. I only found 2 boons which is athena(dash( and demeter(cast)

[reef zodiac]

Wait why not start with Zeus

[lone kernel]

Flash fire is the one that fixes the startup time lag

[reef zodiac]

Then you will not have to get lucky

[lone kernel]

And yeah starting Zeus for best results

[distant vessel]

I started with pom upgrade keepsake. I'll run zeus next time. I'm still in the 11-12 heat range for most of my weapons.

[reef zodiac]

Boons > Poms

[brisk trail]

guys i found a dumbass

this dude is saying that hades is a grind lmao

guess the guy has never played a rogue like

[reef zodiac]

?

Hades is a grind if you’re resetting for C1 passion flare with RI2 AP2

Hades is a grind if you’re speedrunning

[brisk trail]

lkr

Sorry, I just can't recommend this game. Cool story and all, but it's literally a tedious grindy game. I got myself invested in the story at first, but, to unlock more dialogues and further weapons upgrades, you need to beat the same maps, same bosses, dodge the same skillshots, use the same powerups over and over and over again.
Except for the cool story, this game is just a repetitive grind.

this was his review btw

[reef zodiac]

Hades is a grind if you’re resetting for Tartarus curse of agony on fresh file

Ohh I see

They expected it to not be repetitive

[brisk trail]

i think he just didnt know what a rouge like is lmao

[fast willow]

or just resetting tart in general after the 1929347th unarmoured witches of the day

[south sapphire]

how do

do

insane dmg

ive seen people kill bosses in SECONDS

[lone kernel]

Game isn’t for everyone. I don’t like ketchup for example

[brisk trail]

great example

[umbral wing]

pray to boon rng, stacking chaos boons also helps

[south sapphire]

rng.

f

[umbral wing]

also, i came back to the game after a long while and found that i no longer had the ability to use specific companions against hades. was there a change in one of the patches within the pass year?

[reef zodiac]

Well only if you’re speedrunning FF

Oh you mean speedruns in general

[reef zodiac]

Beowulf

[south sapphire]

wat

[reef zodiac]

The hidden shield aspect

You could try my favorite casual build in the entire game: Trippy Flare Beowulf

Let’s you do 2K+ per cast

[runic parrot]

it gets unlocked with some specific dialogues as you go on

i forgot which ones specifically

[south sapphire]

hades music is kinda broken for exams

easy cheese

[umbral wing]

yep i understand, i meant that i previously had went through that dialogue and unlocked the ability to use all companions over a year or so ago, however after getting back onto the game recently its no longer the case

[runic parrot]

oh, i assumed you played on a patch that didn't have that feature lol. then i wouldn't know, sorry!

[umbral wing]

ah np, thanks for the reply though

[south sapphire]

why is death the beginning

[wary mural]

because you start evry run with coming back to life

[south sapphire]

u missed the joke but idk if it even was a joke

[wary mural]

whats the joke then

[south sapphire]

idk

[wary mural]

noooooo i died at hades was so close aaaaaaaa

[lone kernel]

[tribal sleet]

hades just tells u “yeah you can use them against me” and idk i dont rememebr any dialogue backing it

NKOOO

[south sapphire]

yay i got to da bull

and died

[wary mural]

he pretty easy with dash deflect

[south sapphire]

i didnt have it.

[south sapphire]

DUDE

I GOT SUCH A GOOD BOON SETUP

curse of agony
diving flourish
div dash
battle rage
div protection
flurry jab
swift strike

[high island]

Now you just need Merciful End and Impending Doom.

[south sapphire]

im shreading bosses

[twilit crag]

||theseus and the minotaur|| are really hard. had an amazing run, but barely scrathed their health

I cannot spell

[rapid forum]

it do be like that

also spoilers are welcomed in this chat

[south sapphire]

DUDE

MOUSE

I BEAT THESEUS

AND THE MINOTAUR

[reef zodiac]

For the first time?

[south sapphire]

YES

THAT WAS MY FIRST ATTEMPT AT THEM TOO

I BEAT EM

AND AM DYING AT A MOUSe

[rapid forum]

I see you've encountered Tony

[south sapphire]

FREAKSHOW OF A MOUSE

""""""Tiny"""""""" vermin

atleast i got a heal now

at the final boss

poggers

what the hell

what the actual freaking freak

he barraged me with attacks

after attacks

what the hell

[chrome wharf]

just final boss things

use the big pillars to buy time

[south sapphire]

but

what the hell

how

IF THAT VERMIN DIDNT TOOK MY DEATH DEFIANCE

im NEVER getting that lucky again

[chrome wharf]

oh you'll def get it again

[south sapphire]

atleast not very soon

[chrome wharf]

Builds get easier to do with time

[south sapphire]

that was my 5th escape attempt

[chrome wharf]

that's pretty good

I only saw dad like, the 30th or sth

[south sapphire]

u dont really get it

i only got there

because of good rng

btw

how to unlock the secret stashes in the keepsake thingy

[chrome wharf]

Give a lot of nectar to specific ppl and then hope for dialogue RNG

[south sapphire]

frick

rng is FREAKING DIALOGUE

[chrome wharf]

in case you wanna find out yourself it's
||Meg, Than, Dusa, Sisyphus, Skelly, Achilles (by extension Pat)||

[south sapphire]

thanks but

idk what to do

eh

whatever

btw

how many keys do u need

for the last weapon

[chrome wharf]

Try to swap gems to keys and nectar so you always have like, 3 in you during a run

[south sapphire]

dude fists are kinda broken

[south sapphire]

no ik

[chrome wharf]

Fists are cool

[south sapphire]

how many keys does the last weapon require

the gun

[chrome wharf]

forgot

[south sapphire]

i just also got demeter lmao

[chrome wharf]

dem fists are pog

[south sapphire]

aww man if i get hermes

oh i need 8 for the final one too

deez fists are cool

so much dmg so quickly

@chrome wharf u still here?

ive got questions

[chrome wharf]

I'm gonna sleep

you can post them here anyway, someone else might see

[south sapphire]

oh k

btw

how to get summons

[rapid forum]

give ambrosia

[magic drum]

yep

beat me to it

[south sapphire]

i have ambrosia i think

i wanna give to meg

how to

[magic drum]

max meg out with regular nectar first

then next time you see her give her ambrosia

[south sapphire]

same for sisyphus ig

[magic drum]

same for everybody

except dusa wants 1 then 2 then 3 i think

but that's for maxing bond not her summon

[south sapphire]

meg isnt there in the house

[rapid forum]

well RNG

[magic drum]

yeah sometimes you get unlucky

do another run die

probably be there

[south sapphire]

f

[magic drum]

was annoying for me trying to do thanatos lool

[potent swallow]

Hi i am starting a run with zeus keepsake but the game keeps giving me poseidon at the beginning?

[magic drum]

bringing a keepsake doesn't change the very first thing you get

the first boon after the start will be zeus

[south sapphire]

is there a theseus summon

[potent swallow]

Oh wtf that is news to me thanks

[void vigil]

its a scripted event, likely to give you a call or to introduce you to fishing

its a one time thing

[potent swallow]

Gotcha thanks!

[magic drum]

No theseus summon or bull of minos

that'd be pretty bad ass though

[void vigil]

usually, when you use a keepsake of a god, the first boon you find will be that god

(hermes being the exception, hes just too fast!)

[magic drum]

you can get the god you choose at the very start but scripted events take priority

so it's sorta 50/50

[high island]

There are only very few scripted events like that anyway.

[void vigil]

i can think of like, 4

[magic drum]

||missed opportunity for hades boons at endgame :(||

would be funny getting helped even further by him

[void vigil]

well theres his keepsake

[magic drum]

yeah but that's just a call

i'd imagine his boons would be fire related

cast like a fire ball

I really do like how cute it is reaching him at the end

||FATHER! SON!||

I'm right here!

XD

[south sapphire]

how to unlock aspect of ???

is it hades?

[high island]

Requirements for the hidden aspects are pinned in #h1-story-discussion.

[south sapphire]

tysm

[magic drum]

I'm probably the only one on this planet that thinks zagreus aspect for stygius isn't garbage

[weary kiln]

i just prefer its hidden aspect a ton more, tbh

[magic drum]

I respect that

oop hold on

||Arthur||

goes nuts

[spice hearth]

the zagreus aspect isn't "bad" just redundant with nemesis

[magic drum]

Honestly haven't used nemesis all that much

usually use the other 3 aspects weird ik

[brisk trail]

Guys, what's the most EFFECTIVE weapon 🔫 in game?

[magic drum]

they're all very effective

just go with what your most comfortable with

[brisk trail]

Didn't get that impression while playing the game.

you mean rail weapon or all weapons

[magic drum]

oop

get the right boons and you'll smack "poop" pal

can't say the other word lolol

boons*

oof

brain fart

[brisk trail]

Not just Rail but the bow 🏹 too. They're too slow and deal too little damage compared to other weapons (sword 🗡️, fists, aegis). Of course, you can remedy those issues through boons but even then they just... don't work for me. They both are of those weapons people say 'it's not 💩, you just need to have some skill to use it'.

rail and bow are very powerful indeed you are not using them right probably

[magic drum]

oh if your talking about the ranged weapons i don't mess with that crap

[gray apex]

For bow you have to get used to dash striking and powershotting

[brisk trail]

for bow you want high dmg percent, good hammers and use dash strikes

[magic drum]

i like to get up close and personal but i still play them

[brisk trail]

eris rail is one of the most damaging weapons in the game the damage bonus is actually insane

hestia rail lets you play extremly save while doing massive damage per shot

[brisk trail]

They are powerful how? On their own? Sure. In comparison? Not in this game. It feels like they were made for fun, for instances when player becomes tired of all other options and begins to crave something different.

I just explained how they are strong

sword is way worse than any of the ranged weapons for example

if you actually want to get into weapon powerlevels

[gray apex]

what did I just read

[brisk trail]

You mean like, spending for up to 5+ min to clear out one room? Yes, it's safe. But is it effective? Only if your purpose is to have fun from such gameplay.

hestia is really fast because of the damage bonus...

it one shots enemies

shoot, reload, shoot, reload and so on

[brisk trail]

Can you recommend me some builds? I want to test your claim.

did you upgrade hestia first of all

the upgrade adds a lot of dmg

https://youtu.be/KzW7GyVWeYY

[gray apex]

I dont think you should make assumptions about how good weapons are when you have no experience with them

[brisk trail]

What is 'Speedrunning Modpack'?

https://youtu.be/8gV5Xda2NsA?t=285

or a high heat example by me

aphro attack+fiery presence is all im using here and it one shots everything

[brisk trail]

I don't think you should assume I have no experience with weapons I mentioned. And don't try to patronize anyone - you look very rude that way.

[brisk trail]

the modpack gives you a set starting boon and sets the game to give you the fastest sack in styx and some other things it eliminates bad rng basicially

it also shows you timer for measuring purposes

[brisk trail]

Impressive.

thanks 👍

I think you making these claims makes you look very unexperienced to be fair

[gray apex]

Well going off of your comparison from earlier and saying that they're not effective and don't do a lot of damage it doesn't sound like you do...

[brisk trail]

You are certainly an experienced man. Now, leave me be.

[gray apex]

It's alright you dont have to be salty about it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/901889174884466698.gif?size=44

[manic bobcat]

U made 50 huh. Congrats!

[gray apex]

I thought this was old

[manic bobcat]

Maybe

But it's new to me

[gray apex]

Oh it's 7 months old

[manic bobcat]

Well fk me and cuck me bc i didn't know that

[brisk trail]

thanks

its actually my second 50

[raw herald]

Bow is like top 2 anyheat now

Certainly not weak

And by top 2 I mean both first and second

[last veldt]

I don't get why people jump from "this weapon doesn't suit my personal play style" to "this weapon must be hot garbage from developers who clearly didn't balance the game at all". It's fine to just say "I don't like this" instead of "this thing is objectively bad" ... Unless it's most Ares boons, those suck for realz

[weary kiln]

i like ares boons lol

i had a run where it's ares special + guan yu and the combo turned it into a stealth game.

[last veldt]

Hunting blades is good, but the Demeter duo is bad (vortex so slow enemies can slowly walk out of the way).

But yeah, that's just my experience (and picking on Ares boons is a bit of a meme at this point).

[brisk trail]

I didnt actually know bow was that fast in speedrunning now thats cool

[gray apex]

Did you see Rama 526

[brisk trail]

no

[gray apex]

Yea Rama was unmodded WR for like 5 days with a 5:26

Until today morning

[full nexus]

the fact that it got beaten is unreal

so fast I mean

[gray apex]

Ocaml 2gud

Yea got ganged up on

Lol

[brisk trail]

wtf

rama based

what build was that

[full nexus]

deadly strike supremacy

[gray apex]

It was zeus special start into Arty dash and attack

And flood shot bwave for styx

With some blessed chaos

[full nexus]

flood shot bwave for styx

[gray apex]

Such a nice combo

[brisk trail]

nice

special start feels rly fast for tart yea

I didnt know it was actually the meta

[gray apex]

Yea it’s so good to deal with small stuff without having to attack

I did see some other starts, Epic Aphro attack or Arty dash but honestly this feels better

Aspect a bit unexplored ig

[brisk trail]

I remember when ppl said rama was rly bad for speedrunning

[gray apex]

[brisk trail]

idk who it was tho

im not that invested into speedruns so Im usually not up to date w it

I thought it was actually bad

[gray apex]

Well it’s 1 run and Caml’s experience definitely paid off but it probably cant be as consistent as Hera for bows

It was a surprise nonetheless

Waiting for sub6 Arthur now

[brisk trail]

[mint coral]

Wait unmodded rama wr no more?

[gray apex]

Nope

Croven beat it today

With Hera

5:16 maybe

[raw herald]

I think it might be one of the shortest standing wr

Yeah 5:16

[gray apex]

I don’t remember exactly

Yea that was fast

[raw herald]

He got a chaos gate in asphodel which was epic shot but extra foes

[mint coral]

Croven moment

[gray apex]

[raw herald]

If he took it then it would have worn off in styx

[mint coral]

Still was fun to see rama being the fastest weapon for a while lmao

[gray apex]

Isn’t it basically gambling

[raw herald]

Anyheat unmodded is a casino

[brisk trail]

speedrunning gacha 😔

[gray apex]

It would wear off at styx because he got free rooms but otherwise if you have to play the combats you’re screwed

[raw herald]

They were both chariot rooms though lmao

I don’t think it would have saved time tho

I’m proud that in my PB I didn’t skip any of 12 22 or34

(They all had good enemies and nice placements tho)

[devout terrace]

The house always wins

[chrome wharf]

the House you say

[rapid forum]

I mean

the underworld always wins

Zag can't leave

[hearty mural]

The first run I get merciful end is the run hades just lets me go, I wanted to abuse its power in his massive health bar

And now the credits are playing but I assume there is much more game to play and story to uncover?

[gray apex]

Yes

There is still a lot

[hearty mural]

So is this like after 10 escapes?

[gray apex]

Yea the 10th win is credits

But you have epilogue left

Which can take a ton more runs

And chances are you might not have all aspects maxed, all prophecies done etc

[hearty mural]

I barely even touched the heat stuff so that’s a lot of difficulty left

And yeah tons of prophecies and I only just got guan yu

[gray apex]

Yea Heat is also fun

If you plan on pushing that maybe

Or just bounties

[hearty mural]

Well bounties seem useful in terms of permanent upgrades and gear

[spice hearth]

heat is more consistent than bounties for collecting Titan's Blood tbh

[south lance]

I would've never thought I'd have spent my money for the same game twice

shoutout cross save

[rapid forum]

welcome to the club

I even bought a new controller just for Hades

[hearty mural]

What % does Olympian favor go up to?

[gray apex]

40

[brisk quiver]

Is it just me or zeus shield is just really easy to succeed with?

[halcyon girder]

Welp I finished a run with a new record for a weapon the Excalibur 14 minutes

Now for the other weapons

The shield and Lucifer will be tough

[rapid forum]

it is one of the best

[chrome wharf]

literally has seeded and unseeded heat WR

Thunder Flourish stonks

[runic parrot]

i forgot just how speedy eris was

havent done a run with it in a while

[teal belfry]

Eris is so fun, my fav for speedrunning

[halcyon girder]

I accidentally switched Eris doom effect to Athena attack

That was a little mistake

[mint coral]

Eris with doom? Ig it works

[rapid forum]

it works

prob better than athena attack

prob

I'd put ricochet on it

[deft python]

What are the bug gold boxes under the keepsakes? (I’ve only been playing for a couple days)

[gray apex]

They are items you unlock later from certain NPCs

[deft python]

How far later?

[chrome wharf]

you need to max the nectar hearts (usually 6) then wait for dialogue RNG

[deft python]

Oh

Does skelly have one?

He has the highest hearts so far

[gray apex]

He does

[deft python]

Ok

Also, what keepsake should I start with?

[runic parrot]

a god keepsake probably

[chrome wharf]

Depends on your weapon

[brisk quiver]

Cerberus is nice cause its extra health

[runic parrot]

i dont recommend cerb at the start

[gray apex]

Start with something to help you get going and deal damage

So either a God Keepsake or Coin Purse usually

Olympian God keepsakes help you manipulate your God Pool a bit in your Favor and allow you to target a certain boon at the beginning like an attack etc that your build might need

[deft python]

I use the fists

I usually switch to skellys tooth at the temple thing

So a god one?

[gray apex]

On Fists you can go for Zeus or Ares and grab their attack

Or just go Coin Purse

[deft python]

Ok I’ll do zues

Then switch to ares

[gray apex]

Well you only want 1 attack so not point switching to Ares afterwards

[deft python]

Oh ok

Zues, then Poseidon, then athena, then the tooth

Got it

[gray apex]

You could switch to Poseidon or Athena for the Dash, both good ones, Athena being more defensive, and if you're not comfortable in Asphodel in general then just go for a defensive keepsake so you dont die

[deft python]

I’m decent with asphodel

[gray apex]

That's fine, although Elysium is hard so be careful ig

Usually the go-to is a defensive keepsake there

Acorn / Tooth

[deft python]

I usually lose 1 death defied to the boss

I never used acorn

I thought it was useless

[gray apex]

Denying 5 boss hits is very good

[magic drum]

^i'll say

[deft python]

It’s 5?

[magic drum]

especially against redacted oof

[mint coral]

3 at lvl 1

[deft python]

I thought it was 3

[gray apex]

It's 5 once the keepsake is upgraded

[deft python]

I’ve died to meg more than I have to redacted

[magic drum]

omg

i'm so sorry

;-;

[deft python]

I’ve made it to tartarus like 35 times

I’ve made it to the temple 5 times

And I’ve fought redacted four times

[magic drum]

wuh oh

he said it

lool

i'm almost done with all the content unfortunately

but i intend to keep playing ^-^

[deft python]

Wait no

[gray apex]

HIGH HEAT

[deft python]

I fought redacted 5 times

I’ve escaped 3 times

And I still die to the hydra sometimes

[magic drum]

hehe good ole lernie

[deft python]

Is that his nickname?

[rapid forum]

ye

[deft python]

Hold on

Imma go make a tier list of all the characters

[mint coral]

If you keep beating the hydra zag just goes "il call you Lernie" lol

[magic drum]

If Bouldy isn't S tier imma cry

[zenith skiff]

if you make it on the list thing please send the link

[fast willow]

[rapid forum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/817270982191874081/927582303838957658/unknown.png

[zenith skiff]

oH

than needs to speed up

[rapid forum]

I gave him some kills cause he deserves it

not because I wasn't fast enough I swear

[magic drum]

It's my mission to make sure thanatos always gets 0

even if i lose a life

[zenith skiff]

tbh I only win to than like half the time

[chrome wharf]

when all he summons are armored chariots X___x

[deft python]

Why the hell is the boulder in the tier list

[magic drum]

HES NOT JUST A BOULDER

[zenith skiff]

because he’s iconic

[magic drum]

Hes "Bouldy"

[deft python]

I mean

[magic drum]

the most bold boulder around

[zenith skiff]

i would die for bouldy

[deft python]

He’s not very talkative but he listens

[zenith skiff]

exactly

[deft python]

Pretty chill guy

[magic drum]

he really does listen..

[zenith skiff]

bouldy is only second to than in my mind

[magic drum]

You Blackguard!

[zenith skiff]

bouldy is still iconic

but than will always be top tier

[magic drum]

doods bad ass i agree

[zenith skiff]

and he gives you a free heart if you beat him

also his summon >>

[lone kernel]

My brother and I when we play together have a rule that it’s five push ups for every kill than gets

[tribal sleet]

what do u get feom gifting bouldy

i have noone else to gift nectars to so im gifting them to bouldy

[lone kernel]

A nectar dump and a boon that gives a slight stat increase that u won’t notice

[magic drum]

You believe in Bouldy, and Bouldy believes in you.

that's all

[zenith skiff]

a summon I believe, I haven’t gotten him yet

[lone kernel]

Nectar you can exchange at contractor

[tribal sleet]

i love you bouldy

[lone kernel]

That’s ambrosia to Sisyphus for the summon

[zenith skiff]

ohhhhh okay

wait can you actually gift bouldy?

[magic drum]

not ambrosia only nectar

[deft python]

Alright

[zenith skiff]

how-?

[deft python]

I made a new tier list

[zenith skiff]

showwww

[deft python]

This one didn’t have bouldy

[zenith skiff]

nooooooooo

[tribal sleet]

i think jts after you max out affinity w sisyphus, he talks abt smth w bouldy

[zenith skiff]

ahhh okay

[tribal sleet]

and then u can gift bouldy nectar

[deft python]

Just know he’s top of A tier

[zenith skiff]

still waiting to get sis’s quest

[deft python]

Uhh

I can’t show the list

[tribal sleet]

[deft python]

I candy send images

[magic drum]

darn i bet those candy images would've been great

[deft python]

Autocorrect

[magic drum]

i like candy

[zenith skiff]

you can do embeds, I believe you copy the image link to do that?

[magic drum]

^

[deft python]

How?

[magic drum]

right click copy image url

[deft python]

Damn

I have to remake the list

[zenith skiff]

oh?

[deft python]

On my pc

[magic drum]

gg

[deft python]

Ok

This one has bouldy

And the orange shadw

[zenith skiff]

ooo

show?

[deft python]

still cant

[zenith skiff]

oh dang

i'll try to send an image just of bouldy and if i can do it i'll give the steps

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777946719068749847/927588155610243092/bouldy.png

[deft python]

ayy

[zenith skiff]

okay, you have to click "copy link" and not copy image

[deft python]

its big

[zenith skiff]

he's a lorge boi

[deft python]

its round

its bouldy!

[zenith skiff]

r o t u n d

[deft python]

that isnt an option

[zenith skiff]

what I did was send it in another discord/dm (i have a personal one that i dump random stuff in) and then copied the link from there

or try "open image in new tab" and copy from there?

[deft python]

also not an option

ok ill dm it to you and you can try

[zenith skiff]

okay

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927588885742116965/927589146275491840/my-image.png

aha i did it

[deft python]

yay

[zenith skiff]

this is rat slapper's not mine xoxo

[deft python]

opinions?

[zenith skiff]

i like

[deft python]

thanks btw

[zenith skiff]

do you have the tier maker link?

no prob!

[deft python]

i edited an existing one about how attractive the characters are

[zenith skiff]

ahhhh okay

mind if i make a template?

[deft python]

not at all

[zenith skiff]

funky fresh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777946719068749847/927590882780266536/my-image.png

my hot takes

and here's the template link: https://tiermaker.com/create/hades-the-video-game-characters-1444108

[brisk trail]

Hi guys. Finallly i can speak I just purchased game today. xD

[zenith skiff]

heck yeah!!

[brisk trail]

am i late to party now?

[lone kernel]

nope, it’s the game of the year from last year and it’s a one player game

[mint ember]

Its never late

[lone kernel]

so it’s at your own pace glad you could make it 🙂

[mint ember]

Although listen

I wouldn't entirely be against a Thanatos/Zagreus Co-op DLC

[brisk trail]

yeah my friend advices me

[deft python]

I wish more fish naturally spawned

[brisk trail]

he said be carefull, this game can be a drug

i mean you can addict this game as soon as you try it haha

I have beaten the game 2 times

what to do now?

[deft python]

Do you have all the fish

[brisk trail]

what

fish?

[deft python]

Oh

Yeah do that next

[brisk trail]

so basiclly i can play with my ps4 controller right? im purchased on pc. I have ps4 controller

I barely have 30 attemts

[deft python]

Get the rod of fishing

[brisk trail]

what to do with the gems

[deft python]

Buy the rod of fishing

[lone kernel]

Yes you can, I plug a ps5 controller into my pc

[brisk trail]

ok

wait how can you guys upload image to the channel?

i can't upload it

[devout terrace]

thats one diamond iirc

[deft python]

Yes

[brisk trail]

I bought it

what now

[chrome wharf]

go fishing in rooms that have a shiny spot in water/lava

there will also be a bell ring sound when you clear or enter the room

[brisk trail]

what to choose for stygiuan blade

double edge or piercing wave?

[gray apex]

Double Edge

[brisk trail]

ahtena's aid is broken

I just tanked the entire 2nd phase of theseus with it

wtf

the posion rooms are so hard with melee weapon

[vivid talon]

Having an Athena boon on attack/special/dash makes the poison rooms a joke

Otherwise I guess it comes down to dodging and getting in hits when you can

[mint coral]

Or tidal dash/flood shot + breaking wave

[devout terrace]

Classic styx shredder

[last veldt]

Tidal dash and breaking waves is lazy gaming in Styx.

[lone kernel]

hold button win game

[last veldt]

Dash dash dash, pause ... Next chamber

[devout terrace]

The rama wr forces flood shot and gets breaking wave for this exact purpose

Its a huge timesave for aspects like that

[mint coral]

Breaking wave so fun

[devout terrace]

Second wave breaking wave is very funny

[lone kernel]

wait that’s actually stonks

like nfts in 2019

[brisk trail]

hi guys , im really addictive this game

may i ask how can i change icon of controller?

im playing with ps4 controller, but look like they show xbox controller icon

im playing on Epic game store

[lone kernel]

I’m not sure how it works on epic, but steam has a controller configuration option so you can tell it it’s a PlayStation controller im guessing epic has something similar

Or google how to get epic game store to read ps4 controller and follow the directions

if you can’t find that option on epic (I am not sure if it exists, just FYI)

[brisk trail]

ok thanks lando

[lone kernel]

Gl bud

Someone else may have something more concrete

[magic drum]

that moment when the boss has a speck of health left but you start choking because you also have a speck of health left

"There is no escape"

[lone kernel]

happens to the best of us

and also to me a lot

[chrome wharf]

this was how I missed getting credits on my 69th run

[brisk trail]

lol i hate spike

really hate spike trap

[lone kernel]

After enough runs you’ll subconsciously know where they are

[reef zodiac]

Turn on Heightened Security! Now you’ll be more careful and will no longer get hit by spike traps 🧠

[reef zodiac]

And then step on them anyway

[lone kernel]

They got the game this morning lol

Don’t think pact unlocked yet

[reef zodiac]

I’m also kidding because I play with HS sometimes and still regularly take 25 to spike traps

[lone kernel]

[reef zodiac]

I also lose HC to spike traps in speedruns LMAO

[brisk trail]

btw i like to use aegis shield of chaos

[reef zodiac]

Shield is good