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How??
Do you have rerolls?
ya 1
whats ME again?
oh yeah
And the upgrade that gives you more rerolls from keys?
yeah
Sounds like you’re not managing them or something
rngesus idk
i did like three runs trying to get it with gods legacy
Because not being about to get ME for weeks is not a thing that should happen
BOULDY NO
alright who put bouldy in da washing machine
and I also have max 10% of duo or legendary mirror thingy
gods legacy yes
And you couldn’t get ME for 2 weeks?
lol this guys name
How many attempts where you had the prerequisites?
yeah at least 5 to 10 runs a day
good lord
what is prerequisites?
It sounds like you just need to manage you rolls / gold / keepsakes better
Ares attack and Athena special
Or vice versa
my ares keepsake is still level 1 i hate ares i hate him i hate him i hate him i hate him i
If you ever did that
um 3 or 4 out of 5 to 10
i feel like I aways get athena and ares but then never get the duo
He was like the first one I leveled up fully lmao
The first god one anyways
Ares kinda sucks most of the time tbh
Skull Earing was first
Yes but
haha battle rage excalibur go brrrrrrrr
Wait you prioritized battle rage over an attack boon?
No
haha meta go brrrr
Reject meta
Then why would you max out ares before Aphrodite
become joy
This was when I was REALLY new
fair
Idk about you but I enjoy winning 
I too enjoy winning
i enjoy having fun in the videogame i paid for
I just like having fun while doing it
Then what do you have against meta
Good question
its always the same
????
Ah yes
Every meta build is the same?
Me and confusing the hell out of pancake, name a more iconic duo /j
me, local ares enjoyer: 
perish
[ares voice]
become the ground i walk upon
Pretty sure Ares just speaking made some people bi/gay
May or may not be one of them

didnt dyonisus have a gang of hooligans
Don’t think that’s how it works
the boys as he called them
He had the original stans
his cronies if you will
yep, he has satyrs he parties with but not the goons in the temple of styx that’s not his crowd, man

He does say that the styx satyrs aren’t his crowd
glad to see the boys ™️ are getting representation
welp poseidon basically just asked to adopt zag so thats a thing
reject it and get adopted by dionysus
Date both and get Exclusive Access
Spreading the Hades addiction as the gods intended. 😛
What
Um... <@&456908176877551658>
weird! anyways
Can we talk about diyonisis's thigh strap
No
where else are you supposed to keep drinks
after overdosing on 40 heat runs, watching casual streams feels surreal
like oh yeah this game can actually be winnable
So what’s the point of defeating lord hades after Persephone returns?
a sense of pride and accomplishment
Epilogue, then more game just because it’s fun

Beating your previous best heat to feel good
Also said heat achievements
also fish surface really good
I'm currently trying to get every achievement and 100% the game, after that I'll try do some higher heat
maybe aim for something like that
you can’t rest until you beat 64 heat unmodded with the zag sword
Okay but is it on hell mode
64 is only doable on hell mode
Okay but I’m stupid and forgot that 
does anyone know how to get the nyx/chaos favor to trigger? they've both had their friendship filled for a long long time and it still hasn't started
now you gotta do it with Dionysus attack and world splitter
aspect of poseidon + mirage shot + exit wounds is so op
You have amazing priorities. I also want to know how much he had to extend that thigh strap: like, I know thigh strap can hide weapons and stuff, but those thighs alone can kill
Oh yeah dio is thiccc
Dionysus: Patron God of Thicc Thighs Saving Lives

if that’s his domain I’ll be one of his followers
Amen
cult of Dionysus, aka cult of thick thighs
Sign me up
Dionysus is leg day
yes
Dionysus' main day of worship is leg day
yes
You would think the gym bro would be Ares, but it was Dionysus all along
Although I suppose he does have chaotic bisexual frat boy energy, which is pretty close
Dionysus, I mean
oh yeah
honestly despite his domain I would trust hades Dionysus with my drink
😂
Oh I absolutely would too
thanotos my beloved
sorry I’m legally obligated to say that every time he shows up while I play
anyways
I've seen people call him "wife" on heat WR vods lol
No, that is correct
If you were to look the word "wife" in the dictionary, Thanatos with his beautifully parted hair is portrayed beautifully next to a heart eyed Zag and Meg
Go forth and get your mans
Why can’t I romance Dionysus, the edge lord thing doesn’t do it for me
honestly, thanatos, despite his aesthetic, is the literal definition of "choir boy"
hates going against the rules, is the teacher's pet, is definitely the class president
Lol, yeah
That's why I love him: I like messing with the goody two shoes folks
Although it can be argued that I am one myself-
can a god have a conversation with you if you buy them from charon? wondering for progressing storyline stuff
they can but usually it's like "oh hey I'm with charon"
Usually along the lines of "Huh, this shady boatman is actually very useful"
Which is rude: Charon is a very nice man!
But I digress
he does give you a loyalty card when you kick his ass
Exactly!
Very nice man
Why else do you think he and Hermes are professional associates
This screams pure Zagreus energy, and I am here for it
https://twitter.com/solarcat/status/1471538496028487692?s=19
Yesss
The daily life of Zagreus is just constant confusion of how he got into the situations he's in right now
Also Persephone in some modern high society AU, but unbeknownst to her Hades and Nyx are only pretend dating/have some arranged marriage thing they weren't a fan of to begin with
Oh dear lord, that needs to be made into a fic, pronto
I would do it myself if I didn't have three WIPs right now ;-;
mood
yes
though depends on your weapon
but if you can apply both stats fast, it is good
malphone
oh yea, that's pretty good
okay
Drunk malphon very pog
success.
ive been thinking of trying mods
should i?
and if i do decide to play with them, can i get rid of them when i want to?
Yeah, uninstalling mods is super easy. A link to the modding discord is pinned in #self-promotion. You could take a look there.
They'll also be better able to answer any of your questions.
For 32 heat on stubborn defiance
which do I take from Patroclus?
The first item
It makes your Stubborn Defiance heal for 50% more
Read pins in #h1-story-discussion
Touch of Styx Dark 100% of the time
Wow
Wdym?
Direct X, Vulkan, and 32 bit? Different graphic renderers.
oh
Vulkan can lead to better performance on some systems... or worse.
so i assume defaults the best?
Just use DirectX if you're not experiencing any issues with it.
hello, what boons does artemis aid unlocks?
Uhh support fire?
And Hunter’s Mark probably
And from Hermes you can get Gods’ Favor and Second Wind
But that’s not specific to Artemis, every aid unlocks that
Check the codex
a praise from me cause you're using it 
are there any uses for the keys once you’ve unlocked all of the mirror and weapons?
You can refund darkness at the mirror and refill it until you run out of keys
ah okay
Well that's actually sarcasm you shouldnt waste your time doing that lol, after you get one of the contractor upgrades picking up keys in a run will give you a reroll (for the last mirror upgrade) so that's basically the reason you would pick up keys after you're done with everything, the actual keys have no use tho
Except trading at the Broker and the mirror thing I mentioned, I rarely did either of those but you could trade for other stuff you're missing maybe
Yea
The magera disappeared from my map, when does she appear again? I uped to 4 friendship and then she showed up in my room and never came back

Thank you, I thought she wouldn't show up anymore, because after she disappeared it's been 2 races since she doesn't come back I was a bit worried
Just unlucky
youll fight her to the death sooner or later
🤨
what do y'all think the best aspect of the stygian blade is?
Nemesis
Excalibur but sword 
tru
imagine not having a cool visual on your special
imagine imagining
this post was made by arturo gang
@night inlet moving out of high heat thread but if you ever get the chance, hyper sprint and rush delivery together from hermes straight up you double your power
Yeah, it’s not something you can reliably get every run, but if you can, it’s insane
I tell myself “I’m making an investment” then purge it in ely/Styx lobby when I’m low on cash and didn’t get rush in elysium
Also it helps a lot with asterius charging you on its own merits
Not as much as five dashes but

also epic attack speed and delta chamber on Eris rail is absolute stonks
yall doing all these complicated damage builds that do idk million damage per whatever and im just here with my demeter fists and privileged status
You’ll turn into a sweaty tryhard too if you play long enough
trying to level keepsakes
lando, november 2020: oh i know, let's do excalibur dionysus attack
lando, now: let's do the same thing, but at 32 heat
i mean if its something they want its achievable
and i'd say third skelly statue is sweaty tryhard criteria
Maybe
I don't think so
you can be even sweatier
use dem call
iM oN tArTaRuS
Sometimes you get bp2 screwed
I feel called out
I called myself out too
fwiw
it’s not a bad thing
Here I am on hades discord at work
for wour information w
Now I know how Damue feels
- says on Zag WR vid they're done with shield and don't like Zeus
- Zeus WR a few weeks later
- says ok I'm done with high heat
- Luci WR a few weeks later
Nem WR out of nowhere
also casually says "Luci high heat needs less luck than Eris" and now I'm putting Luci on the 40 list

I tried kbm for 10 minutes and it felt like relearning the game
Yea that's how it felt like after I played 10 months with kbm and tried controller

I’ve broken a controller from hades lol
after the first hour of Hades I ordered a controller because I'm not risking my special edition joycons
imagine using joycons
(i'm just bitter because i had to send in every single joycon i own for repairs)
I did a 40 heat handheld for kicks
then i got a power a
no joycons otherwise
and that broke too

then i got another power a lol
Bruh
and then i caved and bought a pc copy for mods, which i use yet another modded controller for lol
it's disgusting how many controllers i own
Imagine using mods 
i got my job to pay for a gaming laptop as my work computer, im using it 
me playing on 1280x800 because my laptop lags with higher res 
For Curse of Longing, does it matter which order you apply Weak / Curse?
if you apply weak before the doom hits it seems to usually work
what are percentaged base gods?
any boons that give you % damage for core boons
Athena Aphrodite Artemis Demeter Poseidon
okaaaay
Not usually, always.


remove A key before it gets out of hand
She has the highest % at base, and pom and rarity scaling is based on that.
but why knock dudes up with aphro when you could knock dudes around with broseidon
never actually picks her
Good for you
u should
aphro has good boons all around
cold embrace
demeter i guess?
cold

lmao
I just now realized
I finished heat 19 with malphone
and havent even finished 0 heat with bow

youve done 19 heat without ever getting aphro keepsake?
Smoldering Air is arguably the best Duo Boon in the game.
Nyaanyaa is about to feed this dude to crocs lol no aphro keepsake wut
make it rain nectar
Also, MiKe does not think that Cold Embrace is good.
Mike is damn right
It’s not 
idk why I'd want to have to manually aim my beams
Idk why you’d want to have to position yourself so the enemy is getting hit by the beams just so they can move and you have to quickly reposition when you could just let your casts automatically seek every single enemy
And very quickly too if you have crystal clarity
Imo cold embrace is a pure downgrade
lmao
?
Make sure you have the prerequisites
yeah
It doesn’t hurt to check the codex
lol twin shot + explosive shot
dis gonna hurt
lmao 1400 crit
yay
smoldering air
i got 3 duo boons wtf
lul
i win
smoldering air
with stubborn roots
with
in my experience
the best boon to go with smoldering air
SECOND WIND
i got it last boon pog
i just call for zeus
then run away
then call
then run
then if I get hit, I already heal
lol
love me some stubborn roots
Smoldering wins runs by itself
I once won an 8 minute em4 fight because I turtled with stubborn roots
Second wind is very good with Smair, yes. So is Billowing Strength. Although both of those boons are very good even without Smair
I have the choice between this duo boon and another epic boon
it's sweet nectar versus wave of despair
sweet nectar doesn't seem too good
Sweet Nectar is great.
it just makes poms better tho
Exactly.
and compared to revengedamage
which, btw, is at 75 with this boon
it doesn't seem worth it
what should I take
Sweet Nectar, easy choice.
Dunno, depends.
Poms over obols and Centaur Hearts, though.
I dunno what and how many boons you have that have good pom scaling.
Can you share a screenshot of your boon screen?
My hades doesn't like that
I didn't realise I could just put on borderless
oh
i don't think I can take a screenshot
Photo with your phone maybe? lol
I finessed it
wait whats a boon screen
im relatively new
got it
I can't post screenshots here
You can link it from imgur or a private discord server or something.
Discord will embed the picture.
I'll just DM you, for speediness
is there a program that tells me which boons I should choose
I'm having trouble choosing
That would take the fun out of the game 
Hey guys, is there any channel in which I can report a problem with a game? It crashed me twice today.
You get better at choosing through experience and such
lol
or maybe just what each of them someone familiar to the game would take
okay, thanks 🙂
I were thinking about that channel, but I were not sure
I'm really having problems choosing
Good luck with beating Hades guys! 😉
Well, it's because you lack of information. So don't worry about trying to find the best choice. Try to focus on getting information instead.
You can have a general idea of what works on certain weapons and pick up boons based on that, if you pick something really bad you’ll just know for next time
I'm not necessarily trying to find the best one, just the one that'll change the game the most
Like if you don't know how one boon will perform in your build, just give it a try and see if you can make it work and what it does.
Experimentation and observation.
some gods are objectively beter than others, right?
There is no “best build” there’s too many variables. But a lot of stuff works if you get creative. I’d advise you to get weird in runs you think are going to end in early death and try stuff you would normally skip
that's what I'm trying to do
to get as creative as I can
Perfect
Gotta learn your tools before you can be truly creative with them.
It’s so hard to give a correct answer to that for every context
what effects do they give
There just isn’t a better between the two, gods are hard to compare when it comes to boons specifically
ik all the gods have their signature effects
like
Zeus is you get lightning things
aphrodite gives weak
etc
which isn't really that useful
right?
I'm using the machine gun
fair enough
I'll go with aphrodite then
I already chose Aphrodite and died
Lady Aphrodite.

Weak is the best status curse in the game pretty easily imo.
30% damage reduction is a lot.
More importantly, she has the best damage in the game, at least for weapons that can’t make a good use of crit due to slow attack speed
I like hangover quite a lot tbh
I find its a great way to get reliable damage even if you get unlucky with your boons
There’s a reason it’s used instead of lightning for very high heat runs
Probably yeah, i wouldn’t know
Yeah, it won’t scale as well as Zeus, but it takes one boon to be up and running
how does shattered shackle work? You have to literally be boonless?
is enshrouded grasp really that good
If your core slot for your attack boon is empty, your attack gets the bonus damage. Same for your other slots.
I wouldn’t suggest building around it at anything below 50 heat tbh
It’s better just to have a boon
Grasp is amazing in Cast builds.
Enshrouded is the curse, Grasp is the boon.
ooh
I'm afraid I'm doing a special build
it's fine though
sure footing seems underrated
maybe it's just as bad as it sounds
my other choices are divine dash and holy shield
Where did you see it get rated to think it's underrated? 
It's great for when you have Heightened Security, especially at epic.
Divine Dash is generally the better pick, though.
Holy Shield is very whatever.
I just got the same offer except holy shield is epic now and there is a phalanx shot added into the mix
do you still think divide dash is the better option
i do have 4 casts
the fury is next
Divine dash is almost always the best option. Although Phalanx Shot is really good as well
can someone give me an ez build
Boonless
Trippy flare Beowulf
who is that anyways
Stygian soul
beowulf
Google it
sounds familiar
dont have legend aspects yet very soon tho
I hate you with the power of a thousand black holes forever
Cool. Didn’t ask.
thx
artemis attack or special with aphro attack
depends on your build
this build
no clue what that is
ok thx
Look for chaos special damage
Divine Dash would still be one of the very best boons in the game even if it did 0 damage.
And look for relentless volley and concentrated volley
If it healed enemies it would probably still be viable
Phalanx Shot is a good Cast, though. But Casts require a decent amount of poms to scale into the later biomes.
Arguably better if that meant it wasn’t pommable
It’s not negligible earlygame
can gods have duo boons with themselves
No
What
That would be narcissistic
Isn’t that just called a boon
Each god has a legendary boon.
Two gods have two
Cool. Didn't ask.
Hmm
no
i didn't
unless you're saying that two gods have two duo boons that occur when you have two boons from one god
technically you did
oops
Legendary Boons are the equivalent of "Duo Boon with themselves".
wdym
There's no need to be rude if people are trying to help you.
Two wrongs don’t make it right
I kinda did
And also don’t tell me that you “hate me with the power of a thousand black holes forever” because that’s genuinely an annoying thing to say and I seriously had no interest in hearing it. Which is why I said what I did. You then asked a question, and when two people tried to answer it you claimed that you have never asked it 
ugh
Lmao
by saying that, I was being a hole
Correct
I didn’t.
i see
As in, I didn’t ask. Because I did not.
And you decided to tell me that you hated me with the power of a thousand black holes forever anyway.
Pancake is right, you were rude first.
do you not get the message I'm trying to send

What
when someone asks you something
do you a
give a short answer
or b tell them to go google it
Depends
I don’t have a short answer. Idfk who Beowulf is 
@inland knot @reef zodiac please take this to dm's
i won't continue further
If you say so 
then say idk
or don't say anything at all
hey guys sorry to butt in i came to ask now that i’ve beat the game once will it open up more stuff or will the story just stop there
It will continue
ty :)
There is lots of story to still see
ty
i think the story keeps on going
There's no need to apologize, they're the ones who were already asked by a mod to take it to DMs. 
also sorry to butt in, but I have a question about thanotos; I’ve given him all the nectar I can and had all the convos with him (aka the entry says “learn more by deepening your relationship with thanotos”), but I can’t give him ambrosia or anything? do I need to escape more times? I’ve only done it 4 times so-
its a sort op poem i think
oh, that's where I recognise it from, thank you
maybe beat him more do more story
maybe, I’ve had a couple of convos with him since maxing out the codex entry but still idk
time to turn god mode back on 
i googled it bc you didnt want to
Google has the answers always
Beowulf is an Old English epic and the titular character. He's not the god of anything.
thank you, you really didn't have to :)
I should look him up, he seems interesting
Just gotta get the dialogue with Lord Hermes now, pretty sure.
im very much a dionysus fan
if you have fast attack
nah always and forever
Drunken Arthur 
i realize my comment is completely out of context but hm
Drunken Hestia
if i have slow attack I'll just get dash or call usually
surprisingly I don't really like festive fog tho
I'll get an attack boon lol
just not dio
Oh you mean Dio dash or call
Dionysus’ Aid is a great boon
i agree
Drunken Dash… not so much 
and i mean how can ya not love the man's lines too i mean great guy, positively
early festive fog with achilles ecauls a lot of one shots
im not gonna say drunken dash is great but i like it :)
Fair enough
If you want to get great use of drunken dash, just push world record heat with an aspect that struggles to handle damage control 

Like if you were gonna do 55+ heat Arthur, you might want Drunken Dash
Well
Yeah maybe? Idk actually
Don't just talk about it, do it.
im a baby in terms of hades
same lol
Right, @versed mason? We all wanna see @reef zodiac do it now that he's talked about it.
No shot 
im upping heat one at a time, currently all weapons are around 10-16 (16 being beo lol)
I’m just trying to come up with a situation where drunken dash is good
best duo
if only drunken dash did more pulses
It's not the boon, it's the player.
Do you know how many it does? I’m actually not sure
Unless it's Lady Aphrodite boons, those carry hard.
im gonna use my fav build zues zeus shield
I never use drunken dash
Good choice
and enemies will usually move out of it so you don't get mad dtack
here I'll Google brb
Very sure it's 3.
Seems right
But since you typically double-dash, you can easily get 5+.
Drunken Dash is actually okay if you get it at high rarity. Pom scaling is as good as any other Hangover boon.
drunk dash gilgamesh i think
Drunken dash Gil does not work as well as you may hope
Since dashes are the primary source of safe damage for the aspect, you need something that hits hard. Drunken Dash… does not do that
You also don't really benefit from 3-4 dashes because you can only apply 5 stacks anyway.
What?
you say all these numbers and stuff and man does that just go over my head cause im low heat so anything really works down here
True…
But also what we’re saying is that Gilgamesh really doesn’t benefit from drunken dash and drunken dash doesn’t benefit from Gil’s extra dashes
im still getting used to all of the pact options and stuff
yeah i get there's 5 max stacks but if im using some for not dying and some for """offense""" i figured it'd average out
You could just get Tidal Dash and use all of them for offense.
Or Blade Dash if you prefer that.
Lots of poms on your Dash.
i could but i can't help but notice it's not dionysus
hm maybe I'll do all core dionysus boon run
You'd be better off getting him on your Attack on Gilgamesh.
yeah i believe it
Will also give you three boons with excellent pom scaling: Drunken Strike, Trippy Shot, Passion Dash.
Curse of Pain is alright on Gilgamesh.
alright we got lvl 2 rare fog third chamber
hm cast or special damage from chaos
nvm its cast
ez choice
kinda
Special damage wont do much on gilgamesh
The special is already weaker so it wont even really even out to normal fists special damage I think.
You can do special spam on gilgamesh but you need like rush kick, and you get beat up a lot.
Interesting to hear someone with the name “maim is good” saying that Gilgamesh special is bad 
I like the idea of gilgamesh, not the execution
Lol fair
Some stuff is still usable. Like dash builds.
But maim is just weird. Like they are never that conservative with global damage.
It's basically just epic billowing dmg
I guess it's because its built in
Gil still does 50 heat better than at least a few other aspects, or at least according to Ange1man
But Eris
You can still make a lot of different ideas work really well with Gilgamesh up to like 40+ Heat. But then it just honestly becomes so bad compared to almost every other aspect. 
I found Gil 40 to be easier than at least a few other 40s
Breaching
My Gil 40 was nearly dash only
Yeah, I think there are a few aspects that are actually worse at high heat than Gilgamesh.
And like for dash damage, maim seems really good
As long as you don’t get hit
Yeah probably
And I also don't think it's the worst aspect in the game tbh, I just think it's the worst at trying to be what it wants to be... and I actually have no clue what it wants to be, it's like all over the place. 
I really think it's for dash boon builds
And able to do other stuff
That's how it ends up at least
Yeah it feels like the worst because both the attack and special are so incredibly unsafe but having two extra dashes from the start makes a big difference, even if the cooldown is worse
Yeah and it lets you use relentless which can be nice
50% dodge chance stonks
It's definitely better but sometimes I think it could last a little longer and be a little weaker idk
Gilgamesh is that bard you picked up that accidentally buffs your enemies instead of your party and then you wipe because you take like double damage or something.
From ruthless reflex?
Yeah
That's good for dash boon damage then
If you have the bonus dashes
Hmm. What if Maim increased attack speed
By the amount its special hammer decreases speed by
So they even out
It would still be troublesome. Maybe more because enemy speed is changing.
Probably not much point in what-ifs that aren't gonna happen anyway. We just gotta work with what we got.
Or play, rather.
umm is there hera in this game?
okok sad
Zeus mentions her Once
Lady Demeter also mentions her.
When you use the bow.
ae
you mean the 5 locked things at the bottom of the keepsake cabinet?
you need to unlock the hearts of 5 particular people
||Meg, Than, Sisyphus, Dusa, Achilles ||
did you Meg a DC
yeah eventually you reach the locked heart, then you need to do their associated sidequest
some just need dialogue
did you make that Waluigi rat emote just for this server
Meg is the most meta one
yeah since by extension you need Pat to be on board
No, I typed in rat into the emoji thubg and it was just there from some random server, I have like 30 servers for emojis of which I use like two per server
LOL
they both need dialogue RNG so just give it out evenly
since Meg isn't always around
remember to gift our run saviour Patty too
whenever you find him
Patroclus
yeah you need to max his hearts too if you want Achilles' item
achilles and patty are taking so long with all the dialouges
I suddenly realized that Zagreus giving nectar and ambrosia to everyone has the same energy as Byleth bribing people to join their house with gifts
He's not bribing tho
Oh, my friend, if you thought I wasn't trying to bribe my way into Thanatos' heart, you are sorely mistaken
everyone has Megd a DC sometime
if you havent then youve either never played DC or never used meg
Yes
At least 3H you gotta learn their interests too
*squints at Ferdinand von Aegir's heavy armor req
Ferdie, I love you very much, but why are you so demanding ;-;
I outright gave up on getting heavy armor done in one runthrough so I used my endgame from run 1 to boost heavy armor so I could just buy proficiency in ng+
Yeah, I just use that renown: I have so much of it anyway, so I might as well use it to get my fav boi
Hi there i just downloaded the game this week
I have like 11 runs in the game
I dont understand how to unlock weapon aspects
Or find more keepsakes
Like i only have one keepsake
for keepsakes try giving different people nectar and they should give you a keep sake in return, for weapon aspects you need to make sure you have all the weapons unlocked first and then you can use titan blood which is what you get from killing the fury sisters :)
Once you have every weapon, press the select button on a weapon, then press it again.
It can take a run to unlock after getting the last weapon
And yeah to get more keepsakes, you have to gift nectar to people. Anyone really.
^^
Tyty
Trying to challenge myself
Hell Mode
Max Hard Labor
Max Jury Summons
Max Calisthenics Program
Max Benefits Package
Middle Management
Max Forced Overtime
Max Damage Control
Rest is set to Hard Mode default, just since I find them more annoying than difficult (Exception: Tight Deadline, nowhere near good enough to use that)
Extra ones are the ones which give extra abilities I think
The rest is just turned up hell mode yeah
Just do LC4 while you're at it
Oh right, and damage control
What's the point
I got bored of killing the bone hydra in under a minute
What aspect
I started a new run
Im doing this with no upgrades
So aspect of Zagreus, although since Zagreus aspect doesn't do anything until you give them titan's blood
You're using those pacts on a new run?
Yeah
That’s an interesting 25 heat pact
Well gl
I was just doing a normal hell mode run, but then I got to the first boss on the first run
Seems very not fun
Normal is too easy
At least do some EM to make it more interesting
I did do it a bit overkill, but...
Yes I’ve done 50 heat I understand wanting to make the game harder 
I’m saying that’s not a very fun pact
It's a gamer pact
Im not doing full heat, Im not doing the ones I consider more annoying than harder
Thats why there's no tight deadline for example
EM is more annoying than hard?
Tight Deadline makes you play better
TD is great
And makes your room clearing cleaner and more efficient
JS and CP are anti-fun
What's EM? I'm currently in a paused run so I can't check the pact
Stalling and waiting around and having your run take 50 minutes isn't that impressive to me personally
Extreme Measures. Harder bossfights
Well it's fresh file so you have no EM anyway
Oh, ok
EM, MM, FO, and TD are my go-to fun pacts for my casual runs
I don't think that's there
It isn't
Haven't on this save file
Once on my main one
That just doesn’t seem like a fun way to increase difficulty. But go for it if you want I guess
JS3 CP2 TD0 just sounds like a really boring experience
You’re making the run super slow and not learning to play quickly so it’s gonna take like forever

Lol
JS3 BP2 DC2 CP2 is genuinely so unenjoyable in Elysium
25 Heat fresh file is something
Yes
Like actually miserable
You think I'm in Elysium?
you can skip elysium?
:clueless:
You will get to Elysium if you want to win the run.
27*
even better
i am very confused
“I’m not getting to Elysium therefore it doesn’t matter that Elysium will be miserable” is a weird argument. Unless your end goal is to die in Tartarus or Asphodel
You can't skip every single room but you can skip a lot of it, especially the harder encounters, given good enough rng
Getting to Asphodel would be nice
why 
Let me just turn on that 5 minute time modifier, yeah
5 minutes is a lot easier than you think if you practice it without the other garbage pacts
with enough practice you can turn on the garbage pacts and still be on pace
It literally isn't on the pact
I checked a minute ago
... Ok, let me just win a new file with 27 heat.
No real reason to do hell mode unless you plan on running 50+
actually no
it only shows up when you see all 3 furies
so it would take a few runs

JS3 means more bullet hell, I like more bullet hell
Yea nothing more fun than bullet hell with base sword and 1 dash

It’s not bullet hell it’s enemy spam
It's worse with bow, I tried it
oh no

JS3 is my least favorite pact in the game. Actually anti-fun. Combine it with CP2 and the game becomes genuinely bad.
500 50 heats
Yes
Just got 3 keys, going to see if it's easier with shield
Idk man as someone with around 10 40 heat runs under my belt I will literally always take Titan Toppler over pretty much everything unless…the build really requires a specific dash to create a broken interaction, Titan Toppler is good with every build, every weapon, and is simply incredible. I agree with the top post of this comment chain that 8.5 is a little weird for easily the best Dash in the game.
Titan Toppler 
wait is that true
Yes
wot
do you need to meet ||Persephone|| to complete Chtonic Colleagues?
Shield is worse
what were her other boons called?
Ye lmao
Tounis did a 2019 hades version stream
yea watch that stream
Its in self promo on the speedcord



