how much % are the heartbreak flourish and urge to kill giving?
#h1-discussion
twin thistle
silent siren
how much % are the heartbreak flourish and urge to kill giving?
Heartbreak is giving 271, urge to kill is giving 19
twin thistle
yeah 19% is honestly nothing
its pretty much a 5% damage increase with that much special damage
high island
Why do you want to purge? Are you using Underworld Customs?
silent siren
The temple of Styx shop gives plenty of opportunities for me to spend all my gold? Id have exactly 600 after selling urge to kill. What about side hustle?
twin thistle
you get a fishing rod from the contractor
high island
Keep your boons.
silent siren
Why do you want to purge? Are you using Underworld Customs?
Money = more power right? I want to maximize my chances of beating the final boss although I’m not hopeful
twin thistle
for a diamond in exchange. little glowing points will spawn in chambers you can fish from
silent siren
Money as in buy better booms or upgrade existing better boons
silent siren
I think Poseidon and then Hermes but I don’t think Hermes counts
high island
Money = more power right? I want to maximize my chances of beating the final bos...
No. Your boons are fine.
twin thistle
tbh a double pom would probably add more damage than urge
high island
Styx shop is overpriced anyway and offers so little value most of the time that speedrunners generally skip the shop unless there's a chance for getting something actually broken.
silent siren
I have 270 gold rn, would that be enough for double pom?
silent siren
Styx shop is overpriced anyway and offers so little value most of the time that ...
I’m not speedrunning
twin thistle
uh it costs 300
high island
That's not my point.
twin thistle
side hustle would give enough anyways
silent siren
Ok
high island
Point is what you can buy is not worth purging your boons.
silent siren
Can I sell side hustle after I’m done in temple of Styx and potentially get another item in the shop with the money? I don’t see the point in keeping it for hades
But keeping it for temple gets me more benefits
twin thistle
styx tunnels potentially have purging pools
high island
tbh a double pom would probably add more damage than urge
300 for a double pom is also a lot more than you get for purging Urge to Kill. 
silent siren
Should I go for a hammer if I can afford it or just go for double Pom if I can’t get both?
silent siren
300 for a double pom is also a lot more than you get for purging Urge to Kill. <...
It’s heroic urge to kill so I get 330
twin thistle
tbh urge to kill also is bad for pom pool 
high island
Urge to Kill is fine.
high island
@twin thistle also btw double pom on Heartbreak Flourish would definitely be less than +19% if it's already at +271%.
twin thistle
tru 
twin thistle
but its also a heroic heartbreak so wouldve taken less poms
lone kernel
or is there some reason, due to my lack of skill at percentage math, that it's booty
fast willow
Can I sell side hustle after I’m done in temple of Styx and potentially get anot...
almost never worth selling side hustle without UC
twin thistle
or is there some reason, due to my lack of skill at percentage math, that it's b...
well its additive....
winged pollen
what weapon aspect is mostly used for speedruns?
fast willow
its almost always gonna generate more money if you dont sell it
lone kernel
well its additive....
explain further please
like, that 20% damage and the 20% from billowing strength
are different
?
twin thistle
like its doing barely anything
twin thistle
billowing strength is actual global* damage
lone kernel
like its doing barely anything
why is billowing good tho
high island
but its also a heroic heartbreak so wouldve taken less poms
3-4 poms.
lone kernel
u just said urge to kill was additiive
(im sorry, im bad at literally this one area of math)
fast willow
Is anvil worth it? I have draining cutter and rush kick?
rush kick is eh unless gilga
twin thistle
which applies to zeus
fast willow
draining cutter wont help on bossfights
so if you got the sack already then its fine to anvil
silent siren
draining cutter wont help on bossfights
So buy anvil after finishing in temple and get rid of draining cutter?
fast willow
So buy anvil after finishing in temple and get rid of draining cutter?
you dont get to choose which one it gets rid of
twin thistle
you already got a lot of % increases to special so that 20% is doing very little in comparison
fast willow
the game decides randomly
lone kernel
lone kernel
you already got a lot of % increases to special so that 20% is doing very little...
but then billowing
fast willow
you already got a lot of % increases to special so that 20% is doing very little...
yeah but why is the urgetokill 20% bad while billowing 20% is good
i think thats what lando is asking
lone kernel
yes, thank you
silent siren
Okay so then what do I get for anvil then if I get good choices for special?
twin thistle
billowing strength is actual global* damage
this
lone kernel
i think im overthinking it
twin thistle
urge isnt global damage
lone kernel
Okay so then what do I get for anvil then if I get good choices for special?
whatever RNG gives you
twin thistle
its attack, special, and cast
silent siren
whatever RNG gives you
I meant what do I choose? Idk which ones are good for a special build? Or do they just give you two random ones with no choice?
fast willow
but global doesnt really matter if heartbreak strike right
lone kernel
I meant what do I choose? Idk which ones are good for a special build? Or do the...
they randomly give you two and subtract one
fast willow
since urge would increase by the same amount there
twin thistle
yeah but you already have a crap ton from heartbreak
lone kernel
yeah but you already have a crap ton from heartbreak
so if that was billowing
silent siren
they randomly give you two and subtract one
Anvil is good for me then? There’s also two double poms, Aphrodite boon and health
I have 300 gold before looking for sack
lone kernel
Anvil is good for me then? There’s also two double poms, Aphrodite boon and heal...
you must do what you feel is right
twin thistle
so if that was billowing
billowing isnt good because it applies to special and attack damage
its good because it applies to things that are difficult to increase the damage of
lone kernel
id suggest holding 200 for a defiance if u need one from a well and start doing tunnels, buy what u nee dlater @silent siren
twin thistle
billowing applies to thing like zeus, hangover, and doom
.
lone kernel
its good because it applies to things that are difficult to increase the damage ...
ah, thank you
that makes way more sense
so in the case of the aphrodite attack
its basically like pom from level 5 to level 6
twin thistle
its also aphro special which is giving 271% already
fast willow
Anvil is good for me then? There’s also two double poms, Aphrodite boon and heal...
honestly pom and health is probably better than anvil
lone kernel
more or less a pom
silent siren
id suggest holding 200 for a defiance if u need one from a well and start doing ...
I have full death defiance (2/2) unless it’s likely I die in temple?
silent siren
honestly pom and health is probably better than anvil
Okay
fast willow
but yeah like lando said save some money incase you lose a defiance
lone kernel
I have full death defiance (2/2) unless it’s likely I die in temple?
yes, hold it anyway, spend your money before hades. often well items are more useful than charon shop items by the time u are at styx
fast willow
^
twin thistle
271% plus 50% from boiling blood so total you have 421% base special damage
silent siren
Thanks!
lone kernel
good luck!
silent siren
271% plus 50% from boiling blood so total you have 421% base special damage
Lol it chunked hydra pretty good
twin thistle
19 over 421 is ~4.5%
high island
I don't really agree with much here. Urge to Kill is good. +20% damage is good. That's 40 damage on a Giga Dash-Upper. That's quite a bit.
twin thistle
thats how much urge is increasing your damage
lone kernel
for me they should rename urge to kill urge to purge
silent siren
One thing I realized is that cast is better used on mini hydras with a chunk damage type build to get rid of them faster
twin thistle
idk that 330 gold can just get a lot of better things
high island
You don't get a lot of better things in an overprized Styx shop.
silent siren
What do I go for in the chambers? My options are gold, Pom, aphro boon, hades boon and health
high island
Just the +20% to Special alone is worth two double poms on Heartbreak Flourish, that's 600 obols.
high island
What do I go for in the chambers? My options are gold, Pom, aphro boon, hades bo...
Which are the miniboss tunnels?
silent siren
Which are the miniboss tunnels?
Ares boon and gold
lone kernel
What do I go for in the chambers? My options are gold, Pom, aphro boon, hades bo...
hades boon?
oh ares word
silent siren
hades boon?
Sorry brain fart
twin thistle
Just the +20% to Special alone is worth two double poms on Heartbreak Flourish, ...
well you wouldnt want to pom a heartbreak flourish if youre getting 20% from 4 poms worth...
lone kernel
||and ares dies in god of war lol||
high island
Wouldn't you?
lone kernel
id prob put the pom elsewhere
rather than to take special up from 271 to 296 i think you said
ive put quite a lot of styx poms on jolted
twin thistle
i just feel like that the option to buy a hermes or aphro boon or even a centaur heart would benefit more
silent siren
Can you upgrade swift flourish?
lone kernel
but yeah in my experience the styx shop doesnt save me and i kinda know before styx if im gonna win or not lol
lone kernel
Can you upgrade swift flourish?
only via Eurydice encounter and rarity boost
twin thistle
something like hypersprint, greatest reflex, or broken resolve would be worth a lot
lone kernel
or rare crop
twin thistle
ofc its up to rng which is a problem
lone kernel
which requires luck
you wont reliably do it
a heroic hermes boon that fits your build happens maybe one every 200 times
high island
Rare Crop can't hit Lord Hermes boons.
twin thistle
nope
high island
Yup.
lone kernel
which weapons are hermes attack speed and special speed like, real good for
i feel like attack speed is amazing on fists
but like, rail special still slow
zeus special doesnt move faster
arrow doesnt feel like it charges faster
etc
high island
i feel like attack speed is amazing on fists
Depends on what Attack boons you have.
Epic Swift Flourish is great on rail.
lone kernel
how come? more hits = more damage no matter what
twin thistle
its good for spear special builds
lone kernel
dps or somethign
twin thistle
well zeus cooldowns probably
high island
Heroic on Hestia is busted, lets you special every reload instead of every other reload.
twin thistle
or merciful end
high island
Should be fine for Lightning Strike but Curse of Agony won't really benefit much from Attack speed.
silent siren
Boons I have:
Heroic lv 5 Heartbreak flourish,
Blade dash,
Rare oceans bounty,
Dying lament,
Swift flourish,
Heroic Urge to kill,
Rare blood frenzy,
And rare side hustle…
What are the best boons to upgrade other than heartbreak flourish?
twin thistle
blade dash ig
silent siren
what about like, a goofy meme aphrodite zag fists
That’s me rn without zag aspect lol
twin thistle
thought you had ares attack
lone kernel
what weapon
high island
what about like, a goofy meme aphrodite zag fists
That's not really a meme build, though. Heartbreak Strike is pretty good on Malphon.
silent siren
thought you had ares attack
No I don’t think I got it. Idk what happened
lone kernel
fists just aggravates my carpal tunnel
and i want to like them
but they literally hurt to play
silent siren
That's not really a meme build, though. Heartbreak Strike is pretty good on Malp...
Managed to get past Theseus for the first time fairly easily with it lol oops saw it was heartbreak strike
silent siren
You know you can hold down Attack on Malphon, right?
^
silent siren
I think I’ll go for aphro boon then
lone kernel
like, i play it with holding, then i panic in a hades fight and go right back to mashy mash
then its like ouch my arm, plus i lost and 
, so let's play rail or something
high island
Can't relate.
silent siren
Heart Pom aphro, what do I prioritize? Do they close once you get the sack?
silent siren
Ok
lone kernel
literally my brother told me to play the fists, we swap victory screens regularly (thanks supergiant for giving me something to bond w my brother about - he just broke 200 hours im so proud)
and he called me out for how few fists wins i have relative to all the others
and how like, a LOT of those relied on long knuckle and basically turning it into the zag rail
high island
Ok
Always remember she's the main character. https://clips.twitch.tv/PeppyCloudySnoodDoggo-1SiN8wRSl3hsg9j8
Long Knuckle is pretty good.
lone kernel
Long Knuckle is pretty good.
yeah, probably half my runs these days are bow
about a month or two ago i realized zag bow was really fun
trying to beat em4 with it now
ill get there
silent siren
Ok
lone kernel
theres fringe cases
silent siren
stone absolutely in cast builds
I take it not in mine?
silent siren
Only using it for whatever the mirror bonus damage is
silent siren
theres 50% damage buff for like, 20 bucks
I’ll be looking for that then
lone kernel
dont worry about that right now
it wont help your current build
just like when you run a cast build
thats a thing that exists
high island
Fateful twist ever worth it?
Mainly when you have the Bone Hourglass equipped and money to blow.
🐊
silent siren
also, your keepsake is the acorn right
No skelly
silent siren
do you have just skelly left or another defiance
One more defiance and skelly
lone kernel
ok
silent siren
Did you find the sack yet?
Not that I know of
lone kernel
Not that I know of
how many times have you been to styx
silent siren
Was there a Centaur Heart in shop or another tunnel?
One heart in a tunnel, another in the shop
high island
Life Affirmation then.
silent siren
how many times have you been to styx
First time
lone kernel
word
lone kernel
Life Affirmation then.
works on shop hearts?
silent siren
What does the sack look like?
lone kernel
i started enjoying guan yu when i get charged skewer, aprho special and life affirmation in tartarus
lone kernel
What does the sack look like?
youll know, just keep picking tunnels. it's the key basically
silent siren
Ok
high island
works on shop hearts?
I'll let you figure that out from the conversation.
lone kernel
dont worry, game will make everything clear
high island
It'll look like hmm...
lone kernel
I'll let you figure that out from the conversation. <:courte5Wut:859131244670222...
fair enough. im gonna go to bed now, its 2:40 am
high island
A whole entire sack of... something.
high island
You've spoiled the image.
lone kernel
i wanna sleep but im kinda invested in smyles' run rn
high island
Well, Smyles will probably die soon, so you can go to sleep soon.
lone kernel
facts.
silent siren
Got the sack
lone kernel
any suggestions for fun fists builds that aren't basic zeus go brr
high island
Nice.
lone kernel
aight, how much $ do you have and whats available in shop
silent siren
Dang I have 598
high island
Time to shop and give the sack to Cerberus.
silent siren
Do I go for the Pom in the tunnel?
high island
No.
high island
You can just upload a screenshot to imgur or something btw and link that.
silent siren
So 2 Pom thingies at $300, anvil at 275, aphro boon, heart and gem.
silent siren
You can just upload a screenshot to imgur or something btw and link that.
Idk how to do that but I’ll figure it out after the run
high island
lone kernel
aphro is 150?
silent siren
<:courte5AphroHeart:851568347346894908>
What else?
silent siren
aphro is 150?
Yep
silent siren
Ok
high island
What hammers do you have now? And which Malphon aspect are you using?
lone kernel
wait for nyaa lol
silent siren
What hammers do you have now? And which Malphon aspect are you using?
I don’t have an aspect for malphon yet. I have draining cutter and rush kick
high island
, Anvil, and Centaur Heart.
fast willow
dont feed me to the crocs nyaanyaa but what does aphro even offer thats helpful other than sweet surrender at this point
lone kernel
word, yeah do that
lone kernel
~~dont feed me to the crocs nyaanyaa~~ but what does aphro even offer thats help...
aphrodite's aid
charges fast on fists
just wait for it to be fully charged and its like
silent siren
Got rid of rush kick, got long knuckle and flying cutter
lone kernel
free damage
high island
Nice.
lone kernel
what are the options
high island
~~dont feed me to the crocs nyaanyaa~~ but what does aphro even offer thats help...
Broken Resolve, Different League, Sweet Surrender, Aphrodite's Aid...
silent siren
Heartbreak strike, crush shot and different league
high island
You don't have an Attack boon yet?
lone kernel
wait you're on fists and dont have an attack boon
silent siren
Nope
high island
Heartbreak Strike for sure.
silent siren
Ok
lone kernel
yeah, typically you want those filled fast
silent siren
Yeah I thought I got ares attack but idk what happened
high island
Well, neither do we.
lone kernel
you probably purged it while at the pool via an unfortunate misclick and just now noticed
silent siren
I’ll let you know when I finish
high island
Maybe you thought Urge to Kill was his Attack?
lone kernel
take a deep breath before you fight him
high island
take a deep breath before you fight him
Fight who? Cerberus?
silent siren
He has an attack similar to varatha, can teleport and has that golden beam attack? Does he jump and slam like asterius?
high island
You'll find out. 
lone kernel
Fight who? Cerberus?
who could fight cerberus
silent siren
You'll find out. <:squirtdevious:472124054569222144>
Already watched people beat him but can’t remember
lone kernel
Already watched people beat him but can’t remember
gotta just go for it boyo
fast willow
Fight who? Cerberus?
dont fight the good boi D:
lone kernel
in the words of the wisest character in the game, less yakkin more smackin boyo
high island
high island
Just a collection of tips I've written here in chat for the fight.
quiet lily
lambent plume, long knuckle
lone kernel
now that i can focus on playing it tendonitis free lol
quiet lily
zeus does kind of just go brr with alot of weapons with fast attack rates.
lone kernel
Yeah, the point is doing it a new way, I like that lol
fast willow
that arent just zeus go brr
ME
high island
Drunken Strike, Trippy Shot, Passion Dash on Talos.
quiet lily
Lambent Plume Zag aspect is how I got my fastest time so far.
zeus on attack.
it also ended up turning into an ice wine/scintilating feast build as well.
lone kernel
Man I’ve gotten so many of those lately
Kinda love em ngl
Just spam clouds everywhere which would be quite fun with talos actually
quiet lily
demeter cast, eww.
lone kernel
oh there’s a boon I forgot existed
quiet lily
so slow.
high island
Blizzard Shot isn't her Cast, though.
quiet lily
what?
quiet lily
I must be smoothbrained right now.
lone kernel
That I forgot existed
quiet lily
ohh.
lone kernel
Until it was just brought up lol
quiet lily
Yeah, blizzard being related to Demeter was what I thought.
high island
Blizzard Shot is their Duo Boon for Flood Shot.
high island
Well, you still got farther than ever. That's good! 
lone kernel
But I love meme beam
silent siren
What does ambrosia do and is it fine to trade for titan blood?
lone kernel
lone kernel
What does ambrosia do and is it fine to trade for titan blood?
Hold onto it for now
high island
It's fine to trade it in if you want to. Your choice, really.
lone kernel
You don’t need to worry about making wrong decisions here
If you make a mistake, worst case you lose a run
You won’t become worse
high island
You'll need it to progress affinity gauges after a certain point.
lone kernel
I should sleep
high island
But stronger weapons will get you more Ambrosia, too.
lone kernel
Good night fellow night owls
silent siren
Okay but what does it do? If it’s something I’m close to being able to use it for I’d rather save it, although I do need titan blood and I’ve beaten the furies with all the weapons
high island
Good night fellow night owls
It's 9 a.m., though.
high island
Okay but what does it do? If it’s something I’m close to being able to use it fo...
Same thing as Nectar.
Just for higher affinity.
silent siren
Same thing as Nectar.
So say it gives 3 hearts instead of one?
silent siren
Oh ok. I’m pretty sure I’m far off from being able to do that anyways, you can get ambrosia with one weapon every time without heat?
Or is it limited?
high island
One at 0 Heat and then again from 1–20 Heat.
And you can trade in 10 Nectar for 1 Ambrosia anyway.
silent siren
Oh ok
high island
By the time you need a lot of Ambrosia, you won't have much use for Nectar anymore.
And certainly no use for Keys... so you can just trade up.
silent siren
So really the only thing that takes the longest to collect is the night blood required to complete the mirror? Isn’t it like 35k?
Getting a final death defiance would be better than going after Olympian favour or dark foresight?
high island
35,365 to unlock the full mirror, both sides. 388,507 to unlock everything there is to unlock with Darkness.
silent siren
35,365 to unlock the full mirror, both sides. 388,507 to unlock everything there...
Jeez what is there besides the mirror?
high island
Mainly cosmetic stuff endgame.
silent siren
Oh lol is any of that extra stuff useful other than the mirror then or is it just cosmetics other than the mirror?
high island
You'll need 3,142 for story stuff, the rest is just cosmetic.
silent siren
Is it recommended to prioritize zag fists before Demeter given zag is cheaper? Isn’t Demeter one of the better fist aspects?
Somehow still haven’t come across Demeter yet
high island
Go with whatever you like.
You need to reach the surface once to meet her, which you've done now.
silent siren
You need to reach the surface once to meet her, which you've done now.
Even if I didn’t beat hades
?
high island
Yes.
silent siren
Ok
For Demeter aspect, is it good even if it’s not at max?
Otherwise I’ll just do zag aspect for now
winged pollen
i still havent gotten the dialogue that i need to unlock ||gilgamesh aspect|| its been over an hour
REEE
twin thistle
zag aspect is a pretty nice boost to survivability and additional dodge is increasing returns
high island
The nice thing about upgrading Zag Fists is that each additional point of dodge chance is worth more than the previous.
silent siren
zag aspect is a pretty nice boost to survivability and additional dodge is incre...
It would be good for a Hermes speed build?
twin thistle
so ig for 5 blood zag is a bit more useful
high island
But the cost remains the same.
twin thistle
well depends on how good you are at stacking plume
might easier to just start zeus keepsake or something
high island
Lambent Plume runs aren't really "speed builds". They're dodge builds, primarily.
Speedrun builds are all top DPS builds.
And the Lambent Plume doesn't really help with that.
silent siren
might easier to just start zeus keepsake or something
With zag aspect? What makes Zeus good with fists? AoE?
twin thistle
zeus attack scales well on fists due to their low base damage. zeus also combined with aphro gets you a really good duo - smouldering air which is great with a lot of calls
high island
It's not exactly AOE, but yes that and it's good damage and scales incredibly well with Static Discharge and other boons that he has.
twin thistle
also zeus charges your call pretty quickly by himself and a fast charging call means more second wind uptime if you get that particular hermes boon
which is a pretty big dodge boost
silent siren
Okay
Thanks
So zag aspect with Zeus attack and Aphro special along with duo boon?
high island
You'll need a Call, but yeah.
silent siren
I’ll have to start with aphro because other than Demeter he’s the only one I haven’t given a gift too yet lol
Thanks again for the info!!
high island
I wrote a guide for Demeter Aspect that works for base fists just as well: #h1-builds-and-combat message
As for the mirror, Olympian Favor isn't worth it. Use Dark Foresight.
Dark Foresight is incredibly good.
silent siren
Is there a collection of guides/resources to look at for good builds? I’ve been scouring reddit etc but that makes it hard to find again
high island
There's unexplainedbacn's guide here: https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide
With builds for every aspect.
And all of my guides are linked here: #h1-builds-and-combat message
Then there's the guides on speedrun.com: https://www.speedrun.com/hades/guides
And Haelian has a bunch of video guides that are good: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmj6-vxquxwS0UXHEpzhS8ExlDs3Z-yku
twin thistle
can also just take a look in #h1-victory-boasting for build ideas
silent siren
👌🏻
high island
Or just search for messages by Nyaanyaa Mewmew.
All her posts are gold.
👸🏽
Literally never seen her post a message I didn't fully agree with.
silent siren
I uhh got a Zeus boon with attack and billowing strength in the Zeus aphro build, do I go for billowing strength first?
I’m at elysium since it took a while to find a Zeus boon
brisk trail
yes
silent siren
Good
I got crystal beam since it’s my first attempt after getting to surface, just need a Zeus aphro duo boon and Zeus attack
Aphro offered cold embrace, that’s pretty good right?
brisk trail
cold embrace sucks
brisk trail
what are you trying to do and with what weapon
silent siren
Haven’t been very lucky with Zeus boons this run and it keeps offering Poseidon boons
silent siren
what are you trying to do and with what weapon
Zeus aphro zag aspect fists
Just beat hades
brisk trail
nice
silent siren
Or get as far as possible
brisk trail
oh I thozght you won
silent siren
No that’s what I’m trying to do lol
silent siren
what call do you have if you got billowing
I have Athena
silent siren
and do you have smoldering
No not yet I want it and Zeus attack though
brisk trail
okay, for next time you need to get an attack because I dont think your build has any damage rn
silent siren
okay, for next time you need to get an attack because I dont think your build ha...
I have aphro special
brisk trail
its alright but slow
brisk trail
if youre in elysium just take any attack at this point
brisk trail
if you forced zeus whats the first boon you took from him?
silent siren
if you forced zeus whats the first boon you took from him?
I couldn’t force Zeus because I didn’t have his keepsake. Died in the run. Managed to get his keepsake though which is good. I believe now the only godly keepsake I need is Demeter and I’ll be able to get any boon I need in tart and asphodel
Goodnight!
silent siren
I ended up taking billowing whatever
fast willow
if you have nectar to spare, try focusing on getting all the god keepsakes other than hermes since his isnt as important
that is if youve already gotten skelly's and euridyce's keepsakes
stone surge
woop woop i finished the main story
super happy that hades doesn't fight you cause i was super low and was trying to get dark reflections propehcy, so i had stubborn def active
full nexus
When that happened to me what feels years ago, I had the best build ever so I was so sad
devout terrace
brisk trail
I just met Than for the first time like 2 days ago, I am like a newborn baby to this game
Love the fact that Than's Symbol is literally a butterfly and we all hate Soul Catchers
winged pollen
what weapon aspect is mostly used for speedruns?
raw herald
what weapon aspect is mostly used for speedruns?
For each weapon: nemesis, Achilles, Beowulf, hera, Demeter, eris
winged pollen
For each weapon: nemesis, Achilles, Beowulf, hera, Demeter, eris
ight thanks
raw herald
All weapons can go decently fast though
brisk trail
Don't wanna experience more Downgrading from Hades
brisk trail
Can't believe I just said "Stop chaining me up, Only Thanatos can do that" I am disappointed in myself
winged pollen
Can't believe I just said "Stop chaining me up, Only Thanatos can do that" I am ...
this but instead of Thanatos its Ryan Reynolds
brisk trail
this but instead of Thanatos its Ryan Reynolds
Ngl, It makes me so upset how Zag's 3d Character doesn't have the colouration of the Leaf crown, It's just red
They even coloured the Feet, why not the Leaf crown??
winged pollen
game wont let me fight asterius
pls game lemme get asterius
so i can get ||gilgamesh|| aspect
devout terrace
this but instead of Thanatos its Ryan Reynolds
brisk trail
I would be happy if I didn't have to fight Asterius
last veldt
Astereus likes the practice. He's an honourable bull.
mint coral
Got the "payback" voice line from zag yesterday lmao sorry for letting you get beat up by a thug in tart
brisk trail
theres like a big arm that chains you up and makes you not move
The only thing that can chain me up is Thanatos when I try to escape again
brisk trail
D E A T H A P P R O A C H E S
buoyant valley
does damage control also prevent your attacks from applying curses?
mint coral
nope
buoyant valley
sweet
I recently beat 16 heat so I’m preparing for 32 by running with em4 and just generally getting used to the whole vibe
winged pollen
I just noticed that hypnos is a dude not a woman
Only now that I noticed
After completing the story
Only now I notice
chrome wharf
guess I’m pretty ambitious
If you get really used to EM4 it's not too terrible at 32
(just don't take FO)
brisk trail
I just noticed that hypnos is a dude not a woman
You JUST noticed????
I'd understand Orpheus, But Hypnos??
winged pollen
You JUST noticed????
Yes
brisk trail
I'm so confused how could you not notice
devout terrace
I'd understand Orpheus, But Hypnos?? <:zaglol:725043931867512903> <:zaglol:72504...
orpheus looks like a middle aged aunt, only realized hes a dude way later on when I met eury
brisk trail
orpheus looks like a middle aged aunt, only realized hes a dude way later on whe...
I knew he's a guy, because I know the Mythology but I got so confused if they made him woman in the game
lone kernel
I recently beat 16 heat so I’m preparing for 32 by running with em4 and just gen...
There’s a heat progression guide pinned in high heat strategies that I think will help. Em4 is (unless playing beowulf) making it harder than it needs to be
brisk trail
What's an infernal gate
lone kernel
What's an infernal gate
Red circles on the ground you need heat to get in
They offer double reward if you win, but if you get hit you get nothing
brisk trail
Meg : "I heard what happened. You crossed the River of Flame. You really did it."
Me: MATE, I WAS LITERALLY FIGHTING HADES FEW RUNS BEFORE, I JUST HATE GOING INTO ELYSIUM
lone kernel
Pew pew
tranquil pine
does hades' skull bombs count as traps?
full nexus
Only the urns :)
tranquil pine
ah, was debating if resist trap dmg was good for hades fight
chrome wharf
it's 30 dmg per hit so
vapid narwhal
resist trap is a very good boon to have if you dont have other good choices for hades attempts
thorny mirage
does the shockwave for his skull casts count as trap damage tho
vapid narwhal
might as well save you
thorny mirage
or is that just raw stuff too
Also trap dmg resist really helps for his stupid urns, especially if you’re like me and occasionally run HS
mint coral
I like it cause is not pommable
thorny mirage
imagine if it was tho
naive hare
Bow so fun
mint coral
cast builds are powerful and still worth to stick one on enemies for boiling blood/abbysal blood
like not on every but armored for examples or bosses
lone kernel
does the shockwave for his skull casts count as trap damage tho
no, just the urns count as traps
also - returnal is basically hades, but every boon is chaos
thorny mirage
Sad
winged pollen
I'm so confused how could you not notice
Idk
Brain not worky
swift geyser
Me and my father arguing about furniture placements after I subjected him to domestic violence once again
short timber
Can’t believe the devs put me in hades
I love how supportive they are as fans of mine
devout terrace
loyalty card nice
final needle
i beat it 2 more times
naive hare
If i get “attk deals 150% dmg to nearby foes” does that include dodge attk with bow
?
How is that only attk while still
signal aspen
yes
naive hare
Ok cool
Wasnt sure if would say “dodge attack”
And not apply to an attk after dodging
signal aspen
if a boon says "attack" then most of the time it applies to the dash attack too
naive hare
Cool
devout terrace
Enemies?
enemy encounter rooms
rooms that arent midshop/chaos/story
or fountain
twin thistle
because they funny
naive hare
Ah
Kk
I didnt know i could unlock aspects with blood
So put like four blood into basic bow
But i mean it crits a lot
And now beating bosses ive already killed doesnt give blood
So like whats the best way to get it?
gray apex
So like whats the best way to get it?
Well you have to beat them with a different weapon or with more heat
high island
You'll unlock the Pact of Punishment after your first clear. That will allow you to get more bounties with the bow.
twin thistle
a dev dude
lone kernel
Supergiant developer
twin thistle
Just beat electro with fists but no blood
guessing you already beat alecto with fists
naive hare
No
floral isle
im in love with this game, sad ive only been able to watch it
naive hare
Def not hasnt used
naive hare
Yea
twin thistle
and she dropped darkness?
lone kernel
It’s just clearing any boss
You don’t get extra blood from different furies
Also I find myself insulting Alecto back a lot
fury of trash, at least Meg beat me a few times
kinda cracking up that returnal money is called “obolites”
twin thistle
the hydra doesnt give blood
naive hare
Lol wat
twin thistle
furies and the final boss do
twin thistle
uh no
last veldt
Blood, Diamond, Ambrosia, Blood
naive hare
Why did yall say beat bosses with new weapon to get blood then?
twin thistle
the first time you beat the hydra it wouldve given you the diamond*
gentle mason
Every boss gave blood first time so thats just first time then?
it didn't you are remembering incorrectly
naive hare
Ok
twin thistle
Why did yall say beat bosses with new weapon to get blood then?
because thats how it works. tbh youre probably just missing something yourself
lone kernel
When you beat Meg for the first time with a new weapon it’s blood
brisk trail
hades and furies give blood
lone kernel
Then when you beat final boss that’s another blood
twin thistle
or any fury
lone kernel
Then you add 1 or more heat, win that run, that’s 2 more (fury and hades again)
naive hare
First boss variant?
twin thistle
if theres a weapon you havent beat furies with youll get blood by beating them
lone kernel
For the sake of how much blood you get, irrelevant what fury you fight
naive hare
Enemies
brisk trail
first boss gives blood yea
twin thistle
furies fight will only give blood once. doesnt matter which
naive hare
Only first time tho
twin thistle
yes
last veldt
Too many people trying to explain at once
brisk trail
yeah ill pipe down
gentle mason
Before you start your run, the pact will literally visually tell you if Bounties are due for a given boss.
twin thistle
well assuming they have the pact
brisk trail
if they didnt beat the game yet they can forget about farming blood
compact spear
Barely beat the final boss then the mf stood up and murdered me
that was a nasty surprise
lone kernel
last veldt
The good news is that the 2nd phase is a bit easier than the first. By the 4th phase you'll really be getting the hang of it.
last veldt
Jk
gray apex
naive hare
What boss after minotaur and archer?
last veldt
Final boss
naive hare
Kk
gray apex
It’s Skelly
last veldt
(Theseus throws a spear, not arrows)
brisk trail
thats a special offer isnt it
naive hare
Wait why cant i unlock chiron bow with the blood?
twin thistle
i guess you dont have enough?
naive hare
No hahaha says one
Wouldnt unlock
Then tried nemesis and worked
Also needed just one
Damn
gray apex
Well lv1 Nemesis would probably do better than lv1 Chiron so blood well spent
high island
the first time you beat the hydra it wouldve given you the diamond*
Diamond.
twin thistle
typo
last veldt
Wouldnt unlock
The icon has to be on the lock symbol, not the weapon
Tap right to make sure the lock is highlighted
Some of the menus can be a little hard to distinguish sometimes
last veldt
Ah okay
twin thistle
aint a thing
shadow sky
haha me too i had almost no health and that second phase messed me up, clapped hades the run after with fists
mint coral
Stacked so much touch of styx that i restored 100% hp lmao
vital night
Will there be DLC
merry bane
dropping on alecto is incredibly funny
mint coral
dropping on bosses is fun in general
twin thistle
that's a lot of numbers https://imgur.com/a/ZYGg2lp
merry bane
which shield is that?
mint coral
zeus
merry bane
ok
merry bane
nice
mint coral
says right there in top right corner <:squirtnya:472124054644457472>
cease
wrong reply
merry bane
how does one mod hades?
twin thistle
speedrunning discord also in there and has the speedrun modpack I use
naive hare
So do i get a blood every time i beat first boss with new weapon?
(Fury)
Or to make simpler doe the type of weapon i kill any boss with have bearing on getting blood or not?
merry bane
you get blood the first time you beat the boss with a weapon
merry bane
getting more blood with the same weapon from that boss is later game stuff
naive hare
Ok
lone kernel
Ok
Also you need to beat final boss and then add heat, you can’t get ahead of schedule from furies by farming at low heat just to get to Meg
weary lantern
I love this game
just when gaming was dying for me and every game was boring
i found this gem this week and already have 80 hours on it 
twin thistle
they give ambrosia
naive hare
Whats that for?
twin thistle
giving to characters after giving them enough nectar and doing a favor for them
gives access to summons
lone kernel
Lol get a few wins you’ll get it soon promise
brisk trail
Imagine Thanatos just going as himself for Halloween
merry bane
brisk trail
nice
weary lantern
Just sant new bow haha
which one ?
weary lantern
have you beat the game yet?
naive hare
I didnt know u could unlock with blood so what i had i put into reg bow. No crits well but
Im at the dog for first time
Idk if have to hight it
But games paused
Using sword tho
weary lantern
oh ceberus . the three head dog?
naive hare
Yea
weary lantern
yeah, you don't fight him but you need to fight in those chambers on the left side and find the item that the dog wants
then he would move out the way
after that you fight hades as the last fight
lone kernel
You’re close
naive hare
Prolly wont survive
weary lantern
depends
lone kernel
I didn’t my first time
weary lantern
once you find the item you get a foutain of health
lone kernel
naive hare
But i know how things get easier. On 4bc in dead cells
weary lantern
now i do it no problem, with my sword at least
naive hare
Yea sword and bow
Just like monster hunter
Wish i could get save from ps4 dead cells onto switch i just got
mint coral
certain rooms lags it a bit on handheld but pretty much fine
weary lantern
not bad for a switch tbh
naive hare
Uhh
So i have to do like 5 dungeons to have privilege of boss?
No health for that
Supposed to find thing for dog?
weary lantern
it depends
naive hare
Every run?
weary lantern
sometimes it takes 2, sometimes 4, and once it was 5 for me
weary lantern
what i do personally, is i do the 2 rooms with a mini boss first. for me 90% of the time it works and i find the item for ceberus after the second room
high island
It's never in the first tunnel you enter. 54% of the time it's in the second tunnel you enter.
naive hare
Ive done three
rose dagger
The lag is not really noticable in switch unless theres lots of enemies on the screen,but only for awhile..
weary lantern
The lag is not really noticable in switch unless theres lots of enemies on the s...
maybe occurs more during high heat runs with added foes
high island
I haven't seen any hate really. Switch can drop some frames here and there when there's a lot going on, from what I've heard, but people have done 50+ Heat just fine on Switch.
chrome wharf
I ran max JS with Cluster Bomb rail and even then it isn't bad
like I can feel it straining, but it's still very functional
weary lantern
I haven't seen any hate really. Switch can drop some frames here and there when ...
fair enough, I only heard it once off a review on youtube before i bought the game and took the guys word for it but didn't matter cause i play it on pc anyways
naive hare
Are there only three biomes or does that open up?
weary lantern
areas?
high island
Four biomes.
mint coral
only handheld lag i got was during a room filled with the mini chariots
high island
Tartarus, Asphodel, Elysium, Temple of Styx.
chrome wharf
there's a big one that opens up, and eventually a small single-room "biome"
naive hare
Including hades arena?
naive hare
Kk
chrome wharf
4 big ones, 1 small
weary lantern
you got this homie
naive hare
Thnx man
lone kernel
calm zenith
There's also ||Erebus||
You rarely visit it though and its temporary
And chaos
That's less spoilers related. I dont think Chaos is just a person
Chaos is also like the endless expanse you travel to
silent siren
Smouldering air build on fists is pretty darn good. Lightning call just obliterates elysium
silent siren
So I have the first row of keepsakes complete and have all but Demeter for the boons gods, I still need chaos but there’s one missing. I also have Sisyphus, Eurydice and Patroclus
Who’s missing?
twin thistle
So I have the first row of keepsakes complete and have all but Demeter for the b...
uh the very last one?
silent siren
lone kernel
You gotta win the game a few times to get that one
twin thistle
uh lemme think
silent siren
Oh is it Persephone?
lone kernel
Yeah
silent siren
Ok
twin thistle
shes the bottom last one
silent siren
Okay
lone kernel
The other two are dem and chaos like you said
silent siren
👍🏻
winged pollen
i finally found asterius but he didnt give me the opening dialogue to unlock ||gilgamesh aspect||
ive been doing this for over an hour now
REEEEEEE
rose dagger
Thats the most annoying aspect to unlock imo.. lol
silent siren
yeah but its not a fight
can you spoil it for me? Is it || the surface after you beat hades? ||
weary lantern
can you spoil it for me? Is it || the surface after you beat hades? ||
||technically when you get around the dog, you fight hades on the surface, keep this in mind for the fate task cause you'll have to reach the surface with the hidden aspect weapons. And after you beat Hades you travel to a small area where you find your mom hidden in a little cottage by herself||
naive hare
Why did they make the game twice as hard before i even beat it once
Like because i fought hades its twice as hard?
weary lantern
it felt the same way for me and i got fustrated
naive hare
No i mean it objectively is. New enemies and at least twice as many
Its str8 up bullet hell
weary lantern
but I kept playin, messed around with builds and found what weapon was best for me and finally got thru the threshold
it is
naive hare
Very different
weary lantern
but hella rewarding after you make it
go for a athena build, its how i did it
deflect is amazing
naive hare
But why put crazy pressure on player now?
Like i just met the boss now def dant even get back to it seems weird
weary lantern
well the game is constantly unlocking stuff for every new thing you do. But if it makes you feel better, no new foes are unlocked after those automatically until you unlock heat and manually add them
tbh I just farmed and got titan blood to unlock the aspect of arthur for the sword and did a athena build and finally kicked hades a**
twin thistle
like a couple new enemies get added but it isnt really a big difference
you have more mirror upgrades by that point anyways
naive hare
Idk man def not feeling the getting new stuff part. Must be approaching in wrong way
Like games a lot hard with no new ways to approach. Except the random configs
clever crest
the last 2 boss fights especially I had to slow down and learn the attack patterns, and how best to deal with it for each weapon. the first 2 boss fights I feel like you can kinda brute force them and do ok (after enough mirror upgrades), but the last 2 there's certain stuff you gotta dodge or you are gonna get sent back down the river
weary lantern
Like games a lot hard with no new ways to approach. Except the random configs
do you have a decent amount spent on the mirror?
weary lantern
the last 2 boss fights especially I had to slow down and learn the attack patter...
same, for the third boss I focused the bull first while homeboy stood back then I used my full hero aid to finish off the dude with the bow
twin thistle
eh projectiles can be destroyed or deflected. you have dashes and can reposition
like if you have athena then projectiles barely matter
weary lantern
I guess yea
one sec, lemme finish my run and I'll see the mirror setup i used for the first win
twin thistle
only a couple encounters are like that like the witch circle
modern garnet
any specific bosses or enemies you're struggling with?
twin thistle
just use athena's keepsake if you dont want to deal with them
silent siren
do you have a decent amount spent on the mirror?
what's a reasonable amount? I think I have about 2500 spent on the mirror
still haven't beaten hades but closest attempt was something like 1/4 of his first health bar remaining
weary lantern
Im prolly just missing something
This is the Mirror setup I got from Youtube that helped me escape my first time.
Shadow Presence
Dark Regeneration
Death Defiance
Greater Reflex
Boiling Blood
Infernal Soul
Deep Pockets
Thick Skin
Family Favorite
Dark Foresight
God's Legacy
Fated Authority
silent siren
This is the Mirror setup I got from Youtube that helped me escape my first time....
did you have every one of those maxed when you first beat him and escaped?
weary lantern
did you have every one of those maxed when you first beat him and escaped?
not all of them maxed but it doesn't take much to max them out, so I farmed a bit.
silent siren
I am still 20 keys away from the final set of upgrades and I have one death defiance left to buy before the 3rd final mirror upgrade
weary lantern
Isnt that just heat?
correct.
silent siren
How good is god's legacy and fated authority?
what does god's legacy do?
I believe fated authority means keys in exchange for rerolls of doors?
weary lantern
I am still 20 keys away from the final set of upgrades and I have one death defi...
yeah, if You're like me and just like rushing in and not defending, then def buy all 3 of death def
calm zenith
Legacy isnt ideal to go for imo. It increases duo and legendary chance
silent siren
Legacy isnt ideal to go for imo. It increases duo and legendary chance
what does the alternate of legacy do?
calm zenith
Doesnt guarantee them and doesnt guarantee the pre-requistes of higher quality
weary lantern
How good is god's legacy and fated authority?
God legacy increases chances for duo or legendary, and fated authority lets you reroll some chambers
calm zenith
+20% epic chance
weary lantern
Legacy isnt ideal to go for imo. It increases duo and legendary chance
i feel that, I only run it now cause i have it maxed
calm zenith
Scaling by like 5% a lvl
silent siren
thanks!
calm zenith
It doesnt seem like much but you combine it with the other thing just above it
Which increases rare door chances
Which just means better door rewards
clever crest
as someone who struggled a lot with getting that elusive first clear, probably the best tip I got is that dash is the most important move in the game. learn when and where you need to dash on the boss fights and it will get a lot easier
calm zenith
You get boons, hearts, coins, over gems, keys, darkness doors more often
weary lantern
but in all honestly, the game is designed to get stronger by dying. Just don't get discouraged, we're so used to death being a bad thing in a game but in this game , I do hella suicide runs to farm and get stronger
calm zenith
Take them both and you get lots of usually high quality boons
clever crest
I personally would recommend Dionysus hangover builds for learning fights, since you can stack that up then focus on dodging damage while it ticks down. Once you learn the patterns of the fight it's easier to succeed with more direct damage type strategies
silent siren
would merciful end be good on chaos aspect shield?
naive hare
There was no clear. Almost killed hades. Now game is way less fun bullet hell with no reward or progression. There is no way to get new weapons except for very rare shop blood and the whole feel of game now is leaning way harder into bullet hell making a lot of stuff i was doing N/A feels like
It basically did what dead cells does after u kill the boss first time except i didnt kill and there was no reward.
calm zenith
Blood drops from multiple sourced
You get permanent upgrades from metacurencies like gems
Thats what sustains power increases between runs
You get progression from clears now. Focus on that
And presumably your mirror isnt maxed yet
There are lots of small things that make runs easier that you need to purchase/unlock
hidden cape
what should i do triple bomb or delta chamber
calm zenith
What aspect
hidden cape
none
calm zenith
Okay. I'd say delta chamber especially if you are just starting with rail
hidden cape
alright btw when and where can i use the fishing rod bought it awhile ago but don't remember seeing a option to use it yet
clever crest
there will also be a bell sound when you clear a room with a fishing node
also if you see Zag talk about fishes there's probably a fishing spot in the room
chrome wharf
It basically did what dead cells does after u kill the boss first time except i ...
I find dead cells a lot less rewarding throughout - the weapons you unlock kind of bloat the pool unless you have a guide or something
silent siren
ravenous will or frozen touch? Doing an ares/doom build on zag fists, hoping I can get merciful end but likely not happening since I'm already at hydra, although I have both ares and athena.
twin thistle
well ravenous means more doom damage
silent siren
wait bonus % damage increases doom damage? I thought doom was flat damage with flat increases that doesn't scale with percentage additives on normal damage?
In that case I'll go for ravenous
didn't think it increased it at all
runic parrot
there are some boons that increase damage on all damage-inducing moves
i think eris' thing also increases doom dmg? but not sure
silent siren
thanks!
twin thistle
i think eris' thing also increases doom dmg? but not sure
yes
weary lantern
just unlocked themes earlier today, gonna grind like crazy to at least get one for the time being 
twin thistle
wait bonus % damage increases doom damage? I thought doom was flat damage with f...
things that increase damage to attack or special like boiling blood or chaos dont affect doom. but ravenous is an example of a 'global' dmg increase
just like if it doesnt say anything about what damage type it applies to its a global damage increase
twin thistle
ye
silent siren
yoo made it through bone hydra with a decent build with all of my death defiances available, optomistic with this run esp if I get merciful end
runic parrot
just unlocked themes earlier today, gonna grind like crazy to at least get one f...
get woodland, it's the best one despite many disagreeing 
silent siren
I still haven't bought my 3rd/4th with tooth death defiance though
hidden cape
wooot my 2nd time kiling champ and the minotaur lol on my first rail play
weary lantern
get woodland, it's the best one despite many disagreeing <:squirtheh:45691342756...
What resource does it take?? I'm already in bed so I'm lazy to check lmao
weary lantern
oh ,I just got the game this week but hit over 80 hours on it today lmao
I'll grind it tomorrow for all resources
or last week I think
silent siren
oh ,I just got the game this week but hit over 80 hours on it today lmao
I've been kinda stuck at home lately with the weather(I live in BC where floods and mudslides are wiping out entire areas) so I've been addicted and playing lots as well
twin thistle
chaos theme best obviously. it costs more
weary lantern
it's so easy to get lost in time in this game right lol
silent siren
it's so easy to get lost in time in this game right lol
yep
weary lantern
@twin thistle bro the one that cost 25000 darkness sexy asf lol
silent siren
whoo less than a hundred to my final death defiance
runic parrot
infinite theme fans cannot scrounge up an argument against woodland theme's superiority
but i do wish the other themes had more of an effect on the ui like infinite does lol
its one of the better themes because of that
weary lantern
@silent siren athena has a boon that could replenish a death def. oh and the wells can sell u one too
I just took a quick glance at them earlier, they all look so sexy
silent siren
<@358111265262010369> athena has a boon that could replenish a death def. oh and...
no I meant I have less than a hundred away from buying my third death def in the mirror... I still have a max of 2 and skelly
It caps at 3 death def and then skelly right?
silent siren
although hoping to get divine dash or merciful end from her.
weary lantern
divine dash is always my first boon if possible lol
silent siren
I have artemis on dash though so idk, and athena's on special