h1-discussion

[lone kernel]

Just play good so I have to pray for those creepy hand dudes and the exalted

[shadow sky]

understood

[lone kernel]

But real talk, grinding early heat: the general gist is to get comfortable with scary pacts individually at first so when you go for sweaty high heat runs

you can do it

[shadow sky]

tyty

[lone kernel]

Those “scary” pacts include: lasting consequences 4 (no healing, mitigated by stubborn defiance and taking intentional deaths to heal), tight deadline (5 min can be sweat, build up to it), forced overtime (fo2 makes people lose) and extreme measures getting used to new bosses (hold off on em4 for now, but once you start pushing heat you won’t turn off em3 ever

That’s more for a long term roadmap than your immediate question but let’s get you some skelly statues

[shadow sky]

boneman gives statues?

[devout terrace]

Boneman holy shiit

[shadow sky]

yeah mr beatemup boneman

[lone kernel]

LOL

i like this guy

thats funny af

[shadow sky]

and thats two clears in a row gg

[lone kernel]

based

i just ordered returnal and now my brother is calling it space hades

thought yall would enjoy that

[fast willow]

at 40+

[devout terrace]

Based

[shadow sky]

is it on sale? i got it for full price and i dont think its worth it

now if there were a sale 😏

[lone kernel]

I found it on walmart online for 45 with delivery and taxes and stuff, was just the algorithm knowing i'd prob buy a game since i just beat horizon zero dawn

[shadow sky]

oh thats hot, kinda got me sad i paid the whole $70 but yknow, a game is a game is a game

[lone kernel]

how was it tho

im pretty excited, i need some ps5 exclusives lol

[shadow sky]

Oh its very fun, just not worth being 70 smackaroons

[lone kernel]

i feel guilty 90 percent of my ps5 gaming time is ps4 games

is it worth 45?

[shadow sky]

more interactive in the whole randomization aspect of stuff

yeah

[lone kernel]

based

i just finished horizon zero dawn

[shadow sky]

i dont have a lot of p5 games yet cause i still gotta cop one of those external hardrive things

[lone kernel]

so im on a sci fi kick

[shadow sky]

thats the first one right?

arent we getting a second soon?

[lone kernel]

nah its the robot dinosaur sci fi post apocalytpic game

the second one comes out feb 18, 2022

[shadow sky]

sheesh

[lone kernel]

and if youre asking if i knew that from memory, i dont wanna talk about it

[shadow sky]

bless aloy

[lone kernel]

what an insane game

[shadow sky]

i never beat it, maybe i should get back on that

[lone kernel]

idk if youre an Andy Weir fan

[shadow sky]

love how the one time i come to give boneman some nectar and he’s gone

[lone kernel]

but the endgame bunkers

[prisma wind]

Please keep non-Hades related discussion in the appropriate channels (such as #video-games )

[lone kernel]

are straight up scifi

[shadow sky]

ah sorry

[lone kernel]

oh my bad

anyway, yeah skelly will show up again

[shadow sky]

so he just randomly ups and leaves sometimes?

i think this is the first i havent seen him

[lone kernel]

everyone randomly leaves

and comes back

[shadow sky]

trueee

[lone kernel]

just do another run

[prisma wind]

If you pick a different weapon he'll usually respawn, not sure if he's ever unavailable that way

[lone kernel]

this time go for EM2 (3 heat)

thats gonna be a vital building block

and it also makes the Lernie fight faster

[shadow sky]

oh bless fyre that worked

do i take deadline off or could i keep that

[lone kernel]

Honestly dealers choice - some people prefer to raise the heat by 1 each run, but if you are feeling good, go for higher heats

Don’t push it too far at first (general rule of thumb I use is add like 4 heat when I clear with all DDs for that weapon)

And remember that some heat is harder than others - if you go LC4 with stubborn that’s way harder than em2 and td1

[shadow sky]

eh?

[lone kernel]

Ah swear filter

It happens

[shadow sky]

i didnt say anything bad 😦

[lone kernel]

Lol just try again

Sometimes the bot does that

[shadow sky]

i feel good but i dont want that to end up as me being all gloaty and i get clapped early by hydra or something

i’ll probably do 5 heat

em2 and deadline n jury

would js increase the hydra heads during the fight or are they set at 3 then 5?

[mint coral]

set at 3 and 5

[shadow sky]

bless

[lone kernel]

jury gets hard around 20 total heat

and losing is part of the game

once i started pushing high heat, i started dying in Tartarus again

feels bad man

[chrome wharf]

getting new Hypnos lines tho

[shadow sky]

true, any progress is good progress

[chrome wharf]

I mean would you rather AP1 at 2 heat or 40

[lone kernel]

yep. even if you die to the heroes in elysium, still got a titan blood from the furies

[chrome wharf]

not to mention dankness

[shadow sky]

ye

[lone kernel]

Also are you using dark foresight on your mirror

If you’re not switch and never change it again

[shadow sky]

i have no idea tbh

[lone kernel]

Check your mirror next run

[chrome wharf]

It's the 4th from bottom green skill

[lone kernel]

It’ll make you ten percent better at the game by itself

[shadow sky]

im only on the third upgrade for the mirror if that helps

[chrome wharf]

is the laurel color for the next room rolled before you enter the current one?

[shadow sky]

or second i think? i need 20 keys rn

ill just wipe and check

[chrome wharf]

if you're having a good run you can also try your best

we're not going anywhere

[shadow sky]

nah second encounter anyway

[chrome wharf]

You need 20? Or just spent 20

[shadow sky]

yeah i dont have that unlocked

need 20

[lone kernel]

Oh word. Yeah once you have the full mirror you can easily do 10 heat

Clearing with half a mirror is pretty based

[chrome wharf]

ok when you spend the 20 keys, switch both the skills you unlock to green

[shadow sky]

thank you

[gray apex]

Not sure, could ask in the modding server

[chrome wharf]

that would require joining it

[gray apex]

Ask in the speedrunning one

Or just join the modding one

[chrome wharf]

I'll join it when I finally have enough spare time to mod
(ie never)

[high island]

Yeah since actions during combat don't change the RNG.

[stray plover]

we boost lvl 3

[manic bobcat]

sick

[feral belfry]

to unlock beowul I have to have 5 blook into chaos first, is that correcT?

[lone kernel]

5 blood in any shield aspects total

[gray apex]

Read the pins in #h1-story-discussion

[feral belfry]

sorry

Thought I had read chao but glad to know I can invest in zeus instead

[lone kernel]

You need chaos for the waking phrase but you can prioritize your blood into an actual good shield lol

[brisk trail]

Shotgun shield 😢

[lone kernel]

I know there’s people out there who did 420 heat with chaos shield but im just a muggle

[feral belfry]

I'm sure any aspect can be lethal in the right hands but I'm looking for the path of least resistance haha

[twin thistle]

huh

why bot say no swearing then still spit out that

then un spit it out

smh

lotta zoos on chaos = stonks.

[merry bane]

nyeheheh https://imgur.com/SPhH1z0

[shadow sky]

finished the mirror @lone kernel

[feral belfry]

lighting rod is kind of awesome against hades for non cast builds

[chrome wharf]

even for cast builds

[twin thistle]

thunderwulf

[lone kernel]

Based

[strong ridge]

rod sucks come at me

[celest shell]

It's funny that I'll get addicted to playing until I lose like once or twice and then drop it for a solid month

[whole comet]

i wonder what's that pact would be like XD

[celest shell]

I wonder where a lot of people hit a wall, I'm hitting it around 10 heat

[lone kernel]

36

[celest shell]

Das a lot

I think at some point I need to really start strategizing more about a lot of things

[whole comet]

the bounty does not actually go up to 36

so i guess not a lot of people even wanna try that heat?

[chrome wharf]

probably low 40s for weapons I like

[whole comet]

also, there's many who just jumps Heat and tries to get Skelly's rewards

[lone kernel]

Yeah, I just kept playing lol my default is 28 lately

[brisk trail]

if you wanna ask for heat advice this discord is a good place

[lone kernel]

Almost at 420 runs

It’s a big day

[signal aspen]

45 is the highest I'll go if I want to have fun

[twin thistle]

50 heat sus

[gray apex]

Yea 45 is still fun

50 EM4 is fun too

[devout terrace]

57 for me

[signal aspen]

Big number

[lone kernel]

50 is fun if you just route your run so AP2 doesnt affect you

[mint coral]

What is wrong with free dmg

[devout terrace]

Rod bad on cast weapons, because it makes your casts harder to pick up

But its still very good passive damage

Especially with jolted

[lone kernel]

i dont miss it when i run stygian lol

[last veldt]

Rod works great. It's a strategy in its own right. Obviously jolted and double strike if you can get it.

But don't get it of you have a pommed crush shot for example

[mint coral]

I like crush shot a lot for rod

Tactical set up

[last veldt]

I found I kept picking them up again.

I like trippy shot or blade rift

[mint coral]

For others i just throw it point blank to a wall

[last veldt]

Let's you place them in specific places easily

[mint coral]

So auto aim doesnt mess with ww

[merry bane]

18 minutes and im at hades

lets go

[south musk]

just met chaos for the first time

[merry bane]

nice

[high island]

You're like a year late with that take, we've been there already.

[high island]

I like it on Hera; I think the damage more than makes up for the little bit more time it takes to pick up casts in some situations, but not m super crazy about it. It's a lot of fun with Greater Recall and Flurry Shot, though.

[strong ridge]

the chat was hyping it up i had to spike it

[high island]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/378698566924763148/848044745493446656/postthisifnyatypes.gif

[calm zenith]

Crush shot/rod/smouldering air

[lone kernel]

420 runs lol

[high island]

Nice.

[lone kernel]

Ice wine fists didn’t work. Literally just because I played bad

[abstract shuttle]

let's go 100% achievements

[shadow kernel]

Oh my god dude

I don’t play this game anymore

But the soundtrack

So damn good

The unseen ones is the most hype boss music of all time

[strong ridge]

i can’t decide between unseen one and charon remix tbh

[lone kernel]

I like the “out of Tartarus” Meg track

[robust osprey]

What is the stuff to the left of the pact of punishment? and how do I unlock it?

[gray apex]

It’s certain rewards you get from Skelly for beating 8, 16 and 32 heat

[robust osprey]

Ahhh okay thanks!

[chrome wharf]

imo octopath's bonus boss music is still more hyper

[raw herald]

Octopath music slaps

Decisive battle 2 and the endgame boss themes especially

[chrome wharf]

octopath's generic battle tracks are better than some games' boss themes

(sometimes even its own)

[calm zenith]

I want to get into octopath but ive heard bad things

And its very expensive here

[raw herald]

I enjoyed it

But I’m not a jrpg hardcore fan

So I can see why people found flaws with the game

(Should probably move this to #video-games)

[lone kernel]

I think I kinda like ice wine

[chrome wharf]

ice wine good

[lone kernel]

Drunken dash isn’t as worthless as I thought either

Mostly cause I had dc2 on

[rapid forum]

it's alright

[limpid trail]

how are people so consistently solidly 6 minutes faster than me bruh

[void vigil]

playing slowly isnt bad especially if youre just starting but also some people just learn how to speedrun the game with the most powerful builds and how to go fast because they enjoy it. it also just comes with playing the game a lot, you get faster at clearing

[limpid trail]

no i get that

i don't play slow

i just... don't see where they're getting so much more timesaves

[twin thistle]

whats your average run look like?

[limpid trail]

14ish mins

pb is 11:43

[twin thistle]

build? for the pb?

[limpid trail]

splash cast + hidden shield

[twin thistle]

idk like a lot of time save is just free room like chaos, fountains, shops mini bosses etc. then theres how quickly you get your build up to speed. like for beo it makes a massive difference if you can get mirage shot or something like limiting pommable boons to get them on your cast. hourglass plus well items make a big difference too

then theres just using the aspect correctly like lining up casts to hit multiple enemies, loading only enough casts to kill an enemy so you dont have downtime

[whole comet]

people finish mario NES and Hades in 5 min-6 min XD

[twin thistle]

well for hades thats igt

but like time loss add up pretty easily. like a second wasted in each chamber can means a whole minute in the end

[limpid trail]

do you know why the guy pauses for like 10 minutes out of the 20 total irl minutes

[twin thistle]

it pauses the timer

[limpid trail]

ye ik that but like he sits there for like 4 solid minutes and then unpauses for like a half second then pauses for another 2 mins

[marble badge]

did you read the mod note on the run

if you're talking about croven's 5:32 "Moderator Note: The excessive pausing and shifting of the highlighted option was all done in an attempt to wait out lag spikes and visually tell when it was safer to resume play without ruining pace. None of this has any impact on the RNG of the game."

[limpid trail]

thanks

[marble badge]

but yea everything unananas said is a good general overview of where you might be able to save time

paper also wrote a beo speedrunning guide in the speedrunning discord if you are interested in it

[limpid trail]

can i get a link to the discord

[marble badge]

check pins in #self-promotion

[high island]

Talos?

[lone kernel]

Demeter

That woulda been smart, I just got a Zeus start then natural dio and dem, rolled with it

[high island]

Ah gotcha.

Yeah, Cast builds and hybrid Cast builds work best on Talos.

Not just for the bonus damage, you can also pull enemies into your Cast AOE and stuff.

Like if you got Scintillating Feast.

[naive hare]

Dead cells player wondering about hades. Obvs i hear its good but just hooow good?

Would get for switch. It ok on that system?

[lone kernel]

Makes sense. Wish I thought of it sooner

[lone kernel]

Only difference is other platforms can load a tiny bit faster but I have 420 runs on switch, go for it. Having the handheld option is pretty sweet, if you have a flight or something

It probably is responsible for a little less than half of my switch gaming time since it came out

[calm zenith]

Talos would let you pull enemies into the festive fog

Probably better with scintillating, but with blackout it could be like a brawling zone

Dio attack and you get the raw damage from magnetize and blackout

Good talos runs are rare imo but they can be pretty good

One of my best oddly was Cold Embrace

[dusky wedge]

Doom damage is calculated when the Doom effect is procced, right? Rather than when the status curse was inflicted? Asking in relation with Hyper Delivery

I think it is but I do want confirmation

[brisk token]

Why adamant rail suk?

[last veldt]

I think so

Eris rail takes advantage of this IIRC

[last veldt]

Because you didn't get cluster rockets or hazard bomb?

[dusky wedge]

I recommend Eris Rail

[last veldt]

Hestia also good but takes more to unlock.

[brisk token]

I did

Only aspect I enjoyed was lucifer

[last veldt]

With Eris you need to be constantly launching special and standing in it

[dusky wedge]

Oh, alright

[brisk token]

That's what I did when I used it

[last veldt]

Hestia is my favourite by a long way but you may want to remap buttons for constant reload

[dusky wedge]

Well, Eris can actually work with a lot of hammers, a lot more than just clusters and rockets

[last veldt]

Yes, but clockets is easy mode

[brisk token]

I wish this discord had a vc

[twin thistle]

rail doesnt suck without hazard or cluster

[last veldt]

I wasn't implying it did

[dusky wedge]

I think most of the beginner problems with the rail that I see people do is using percentage-based boons on attack

[twin thistle]

kinda look like it

[last veldt]

Hestia shackle for boon less

Turns out text isn't great at indicating your tone

[dusky wedge]

It’s ok on Hestia and Lucifer, but worst on Zag and Eris

[chrome wharf]

take Zeus attack + static discharge to make it betterer

[devout terrace]

Turn off aim at cursor if ur kbm

[brisk token]

I'm on switch

[devout terrace]

https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/eris-rail-guide/ try this build

[brisk token]

Would that still work well with level 1 eris?

[devout terrace]

no

You get 75% global damage on max eris

Thats a pretty ok buff

[brisk token]

I know it's good, But I don't want to waist titan blood on a weapon I don't enjoy using, Other that just unlocking the aspect

[twin thistle]

well rail on its own is fine with zeus

but eris is like a free 75% better

[devout terrace]

"I dont enjoy it because its bad" refuses to make it better

[brisk token]

I know it's good, my first time reaching hades was with rail, I just don't enjoy using it and was wondering if there was just something I'm missing

[twin thistle]

saying it sucks implies you think it isnt good

if you dont like pew pew gun then you dont like it

[devout terrace]

Hestia doesnt pew pew

[rose dagger]

Its a shotgun...

[fast willow]

its a sniper rifle

[halcyon girder]

Okay turns out it's possible to have all three non mini boss fights to have no sack

Four

Four of them didn't have the sack

[fast willow]

5sack

also the miniboss fights are way easier than the non miniboss ones even with MM

other than tiny vermin

[halcyon girder]

King vermin

I actually don't think what ever in the sack in is an well balanced diet for Cerberus

[prisma wind]

The tunnel you pick has no bearing on sack chance. It can never be in the first tunnel you go down, and after that it gets more and more likely to find it. I don't remember the percentages off the top of my head, but sometimes you just get bad RNG and it shows up in the 4th or 5th tunnel

[chrome reef]

I mean it seems to enjoy it

[winged pollen]

tiny vermin best vermin

[fast willow]

more like worst vermin

followed by small rats

[robust osprey]

Are there any good mods that don't help with progression?

[gray apex]

The onion mod

[robust osprey]

Link? Or is this a joke 🤔

[gray apex]

It turns all your boons into onions

Are you sure you want a link

[robust osprey]

Oh no nonono

[lone kernel]

Lol it should be called the ogre mod cause ogres are like onions

[gray apex]

Are you looking for something specific? I just use the speedrunning modpack nowadays but that can help with progression because it makes runs easier and more consistent

[robust osprey]

Oh, well I did have a question, is there a way to have one of the save slots nodded but not the others? I just don't wanna use any progression mods on my OG save

[gray apex]

You would have to use the mods whenever you want to play with that save, and remove them whenever you wanna play with the og save

[robust osprey]

Ahh okay

[brisk trail]

how i pass the misson queen's plan

anyone can help me?

[bright dome]

befriend 6 olympians and talk to persephone

[last veldt]

I think one of them has to be Demeter.

[hollow basin]

hey guys wat is the most rare thing that it can appear in hades gameplay

[fast willow]

a good elysium

[brisk trail]

How do you befriend them

[bright dome]

Gift them nectar until you reach the locked heart, then do their favors to unlock the final heart

[clever crest]

Lately I've been starting my day off with one Hades run to get my brain woken up for work - please tell me I'm not the only one

[chrome wharf]

Demeter isn't mandatory for epilogue, but she's one of the easiest since you don't have to unlock her heart to count

[bright dome]

Ahhh got the platinum

Damn it takes a lot of time to max all the keepsakes

[stable dagger]

Daily reminder to dedicate a run to best girl Artemis

[naive hare]

Is there tech in this game?

Depth of combat mechanically?

I guess in vein of like dmc

Cancelling etc

[lone kernel]

There’s six weapons with 24 aspects, plus knowing when to dash and use certain abilities. As a 2d game it’s different than DMC but if you liked that you’ll like this $25 game. Similar feel with chaotic action and all that, and when you get into a flow it’s amazing and just feels great

@high island is our resident invincible dash frame timing expert

[high island]

What?

What does that even mean?

[lone kernel]

She can elaborate better than me on advanced techniques like you describe

But yeah the amount of combinations you can make is on the same order of magnitude as how many positions on a chessboard are there

It’ll keep you amused, promise

[devout terrace]

theres some blursed arthur dash strike tech

[high island]

Combat depth in Hades doesn't really come from complex combos or anything like that.

There are a few things like for Excalibur that Ange1Man can probably explain better. Or with Talos, you can do Special to apply the debuff and pull in enemies and immediately cancel into Dash to skip the uppercut. Things like that, I guess.

[devout terrace]

Arthur AOTW Tech:

TLDR: to dash strike fast on arthur, hold down attack while dashing.

With arthur, often you get stuck in the attack combo while trying to spam dash strikes with dedge. This either happens because you ran out of dashes, or because of what I call "attack storage"

Attack Storage:
when you cancel the first attack in the standard attack combo with a cast, special or dash, the next time you use the arthur attack it will start the animation from where you canceled it, and so come out faster. [edit] I have since learned that you can also store a dash strike by canceling with cast, which behaves similarly, with the quirk that you will do the dash strike on your next attack regardless of whether you dash or not. It is possible to have both dash strike storage and normal attack storage at the same time

This can be useful to get a sort of "fake dedge" with a quick dash strike -> attack sequence. This was already done sometimes with a dash canceled attack, but doing a cast cancel also has lots of utility. (see clip below)

However, if you input dash + attack at the same time, and press attack even slightly before dash, you will get a bit of attack storage while you dash strike. Over several attacks this will build up and make your standard attack almost instant, which often leads to getting stuck in attack combo. This is why most people do late dash strikes with arthur, which made it even more slow and clunky.

This can be avoided by inputting dash strikes by holding attack and pressing dash to dash strike, which gives the fastest possible dash strike every time. For some reason this only works with arthur. (edited)

Using cast cancel for attack storage: (notice the start is attack -> cancel into cast -> next attack is fast)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/523766792963751936/830104913928388633/attackstorage.mp4

t e c h n o l o g y

credit to pseudo

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/523766792963751936/830105952824852500/arthurdashes.mp4 attack held

[high island]

Combat depth comes more from positioning and timing and knowing room layouts, understanding enemy behavior... things like that.

Build optimization.

[full nexus]

Also BP2

[devout terrace]

[high island]

Also pact optimizations, I guess.

[naive hare]

Oh wow thanks so much @devout terrace

Yea i play bayo/dmc etc kinda like single player fgs. Love dead cells but sold ps4 and bought switch for castlevania advance collection but dont want to start new file on dead cells. Too depressing. Was just curious if hades had the sort of combat/mech that keeps you coming back. High skill ceiling.

[lone kernel]

Absolutely fam

I have played for almost 400 hours

[naive hare]

Never really played game like this whit this type of perspective. (Diablo like)

Right on

[lone kernel]

And it’s literally just because the game is so fun and keeps pushing you and has literally one of the best difficulty progressions I’ve ever seen in a game

[naive hare]

Mostly play dmc3se for that fix

[lone kernel]

I unlocked everything around 150

[naive hare]

Nice

Yea ima get now

[lone kernel]

The way it differs is that hades requires some brain cells on long term planning, what you want to aim for etc, rather than the nearly nonstop focus on fighting dudes in dmc/bayo

[naive hare]

Only other contender was astral chain. Bayo 2 was destroyed mech wise. Lowered ceiling of wats possible so low.

Sure like dead cells build forsight

Im with ya

[lone kernel]

Precisely

Am I over explaining, my bad lol

[devout terrace]

What boss cell are you in dead cells?

[naive hare]

Yea man i just hope they bring a team back for bayo 3. Replace what was lost

3

[lone kernel]

wait, aspect of bayonetta rail

would be super based

[devout terrace]

Nice

[naive hare]

3 bc

Its amazing but cant stomach starting new

Too much

[devout terrace]

Ive gotten to the spoiler biome a few times on 5bc, cant seem to beat the boss

[naive hare]

Especially since hades exists

[lone kernel]

i need to get dead cells

Returnal is arriving tomorrow tho

[naive hare]

Its very very good

[lone kernel]

literally hades opened my eyes to this whole genre lol

[naive hare]

Wait whats returnal?

[lone kernel]

a ps5 space shooter with similar mechanics around dying and trying again a lot

[naive hare]

Ah

[lone kernel]

thus far ive managed to not buy hades for ps5 lol

[devout terrace]

"hades in space"

[high island]

Shame on you.

[devout terrace]

[lone kernel]

its an oversimplification

but yeah it looks sweet and it was $40

[lone kernel]

the day cross saves get put in, i will

[naive hare]

Its pretty heartbreaking that curse of the dead gods started dev like before hades i think. Verrry similar but not as good. Completely overshadowed by hades. Thats gotta hurt

[lone kernel]

i just dont wanna start again lol

haha yeah its like "oh this is a hades ripoff"

[naive hare]

Yea

[devout terrace]

expecting post launch support from supergiant

[naive hare]

Sadd

Af

Those devs are cool too

[lone kernel]

https://kotaku.com/myth-gods-of-asgard-sure-looks-like-hades-1847141716

[naive hare]

Must be crushing

Lol

[lone kernel]

i don't...hence why i dont have it lol

[devout terrace]

lmao

[naive hare]

Freaks

[devout terrace]

Did they literally rip it off 1/1

[lone kernel]

not sure

havent played it

just was looking at other roguelikes and this came up when i was deciding what to buy and it was funny

[jovial whale]

hey, any tips for fresh-fileing?

[lone kernel]

get ready to reset a lot and pray for merciful end

also practice with one dash

that singlehandedly will screw you up more than any other thing

[devout terrace]

Join the speedrunning discord-pins in #freshfile

[jovial whale]

yeah ive been practicing and i've gotten to theseus before

[lone kernel]

oh then check out the speedrunner discord

i only know the basics lol

[jovial whale]

link?

[lone kernel]

get ME and try not to die

[naive hare]

K i bought

[devout terrace]

Its pinned in #self-promotion

[naive hare]

Wish luck

[lone kernel]

based. enjoy

[naive hare]

Ty

[lone kernel]

@solemn ridgegiant can i have commission

[naive hare]

Idk know what based means

Kinda like it that way

[jovial whale]

thanks!

[naive hare]

Haha

Based just mean good?

[karmic trellis]

How does one get that shady companion?

[lone kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-super-mario-style-based-gangnam-style-gif-23330985

[naive hare]

Based means perverted?

[solemn ridge]

hehe wrong ping 😛

[lone kernel]

nectar x6 sisyphus, he'll evenutally mention he wouldnt mind the furies not kicking his ass as much, ask nyx where some file thing is, you can spend a diamond or two to release his contract

[solemn ridge]

I just got this pfp off the internet btw

[lone kernel]

then give him ambrosia and youre all set

[lone kernel]

lmao my bad

[solemn ridge]

all good

[lone kernel]

you can give me commission if you want tho

feel free

[solemn ridge]

I don't art unfortunately

[lone kernel]

oh you may have not read the whole thread basically i convinced that guy to buy hades lol

[lone kernel]

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=based

[karmic trellis]

I can’t get the nyx dialogue. I got the end to torment in the faded list not nyx won’t tell me where so I can get it into the contractors book

[solemn ridge]

I do le

{
    makeCoffee();
}

[naive hare]

Ahh

[lone kernel]

keep doing runs and talking to everyone sooner or later itll happen

[karmic trellis]

Okay. Thanks

[lone kernel]

Locked heart I presume

[karmic trellis]

Yes

[lone kernel]

yeah you just gotta grind it out at this point

did sisyphus give u the dialogue about lightening his sentence already

[karmic trellis]

I think so

Yes

[barren ocean]

Is Heart Rend or Merciful End more dmg output? 🤔

For Nemesis i think Heart Rend works better obvs, but I was going to use Talos or Demeter for my next speed goal

[full nexus]

Not even sure it's better on Nem tbh

[barren ocean]

oh really

[full nexus]

Yeah ME is really something

[barren ocean]

wouldnt the increased crit from Nemesis be better synergy

[full nexus]

It gives heartrend a chance yeah

On non crit weapons it's generally underwhelming

[barren ocean]

ME is pretty insane yea

assuming you have the correct build for it

I find Athena dash to trigger is much better than special

since its faster

[full nexus]

If you get some dash strike damage though yeah, heart rend will shine on Nem

@devout terrace

Which one is better pls, HR or ME for nem

Let's say we don't route a billion chaos

[lone kernel]

HR easier to get running, ME will win the game for you

I’ve found meme beam subplot to be great for nemesis tbh if I start Artemis attack

Just get like five bloodstones from chaos that I routed on my switch and Stygian, easy game

[devout terrace]

Hmmm

ME is the top end imo, but crit has infinite scaling if you get like 2+ dash strike chaos gates and double edge

[lone kernel]

Feels like rend doesn’t really work that well without dash strike boosts

[robust osprey]

Will a gods keepsake still work if I take a hermes room instead of the gods room?

notstill work but will it be the next to show if I pass on it for a hermes?

[lone kernel]

yeah youll still get the god you keepsaked

[robust osprey]

Okay thanks

[lone kernel]

best use case for that is if you havent popped your keepsake yet in asphodel, and youre at a room with shop and miniboss with your keepsaked god, if u go shop the next room will be the same god and miniboss room

[robust osprey]

Ahh okay cool!

[stuck sentinel]

it keeps working until you enter a room of the god whose keepsake your wearing

[robust osprey]

Dope, thats what i thought but never tested it

[naive hare]

Or too dumb to know how

Haha figured out

Pretty hidden honestly

[gray apex]

gl

[naive hare]

For like main exit to game

Ty

Sure this ez baby game

[high island]

Pretty much just Nemesis and Zag Bow for Heart Rend for DPS.

[brisk trail]

64 heat would like to have a word with you 🔫

[last veldt]

I'd noticed that but wasn't sure it was guaranteed

[lone kernel]

i'm 43 of 43 since i started paying attention

super based ngl

if you take a Charon fight there itll get shuffled tho

[brisk trail]

is the room you get popped out in after charon always random?

[last veldt]

Ah good to know.

Seems to be

[brisk trail]

because the few times i've taken it, it's always put me in the minotaur room

[lone kernel]

yeah

itll usually go to the miniboss

but the reward may change

[last veldt]

In Asphodel it mostly dumps me into a gem room

[brisk trail]

hm could be a coincidence

[last veldt]

Oh you mean after the shop or after besting Charon?

[barren ocean]

ive gone from Charon to NPC room

i think were talking about the fight

[brisk trail]

the fight yes

[last veldt]

Yeah that's pretty random.

Sucks to be dumped into Astereus fight though

[mint coral]

huh got 700 attempts i wonder how much of them were resets lmao

[brisk trail]

me when i get cursed slash and dash nova as starting hammers

"argh!"

[barren ocean]

lol

[brisk trail]

T H E R E I S N O E S C A P E

[gray apex]

more than me

[brisk trail]

i think i hit 100 recently

[signal aspen]

pathetic i have 900

[brisk trail]

i'll go for 100 clears

then a 100 streak

[quiet lily]

best gods for adamant rail?

[brisk trail]

zeus

zeus

[signal aspen]

you're mom

[brisk trail]

and zeus

[quiet lily]

I thought Zeus was considered good, I was just wondering if other gods were also good.

[signal aspen]

it depends on the aspect

but splash dash always good

[quiet lily]

I find myself liking Hestia with rocket bomb

[brisk trail]

if you wanna be generic and play eris, zeus attack, posieden dash, zeus call, jolted

[stuck sentinel]

hestia is the bestia

[quiet lily]

but I also find myself building cast builds often

[stuck sentinel]

use hestia

[brisk trail]

+1

[signal aspen]

rocket bomb is always good

especially on lucifer

[stuck sentinel]

always gonna be good for you

[gray apex]

Hazard good on hestia

[stuck sentinel]

never gonna let you down

hestia is the bestia

[brisk trail]

reset if you don't get triple bomb on lucifer

[stuck sentinel]

also use artemis on her

[quiet lily]

I'm not a fan of the lucifer aspect.

[brisk trail]

if you get triple bomb on lucifer you win, period

[quiet lily]

ramping damage doesn't feel great.

[mint coral]

play luci like budget eris

[brisk trail]

try to play around the special, rather than attack

can be devastating

[last veldt]

I stupidly picked up hazard on eris the other day

[mint coral]

just get delta chamber

[signal aspen]

or just iframe it

[brisk trail]

just be a gamer and time the dashes

[signal aspen]

either way you're gonna have to iframe it

[last veldt]

Hehe .... no
But I still won because hazard op

[quiet lily]

petition to update the game so we can gift amborsia or nectar to the supportive shade in elysium's boss room.

[brisk trail]

YES

I AGREE TO THIS MOTION

[signal aspen]

oh really?

[last veldt]

The supportive shade is Theseus's Mom

[quiet lily]

I don't care if it's just a clone list of Bouldy's boons and nothing else.

I just want to give my 1 fan a gift each run.

[brisk trail]

tfw supportive shade gives you plus 10% attack damage

[quiet lily]

does anyone know what "ambigouity bonus" does?

[mint coral]

nothing

[signal aspen]

yeah it does nothing

[quiet lily]

oh.

[signal aspen]

which is pretty good

can carry runs sometimes

[brisk trail]

gives you a warm feeling inside

[quiet lily]

how does it carry runs if it doesn't do anything?

[last veldt]

What, really? Jerbaited.!

[brisk trail]

psst. bud... it's a joke

[quiet lily]

Am I being a smoothbrain and forgetting ssome boon that scales with the number of boons you have?

[signal aspen]

im not even joking it can carry some runs

[stuck sentinel]

literally best boon in the game

[brisk trail]

64 heat zag sword no boons except bouldy ez clap

[quiet lily]

My brain has negaitve friction folks, engineers are unsure how things going over my head increase in velocity with no added energy.

[last veldt]

Probably thinking of family favourites

Not a boon but a mirror thing

[brisk trail]

why yes, bouldy is my favourite olympian god

[quiet lily]

I'm pretty sure negative friction breaks a few laws of thermodynamics, but hey, that's just how it is sometimes.

[mint coral]

lmao
wanted to buy artemis boon, buyed hermes instead, and mashed so instead of re roll i got side hustle

[quiet lily]

Bouldy is obviously a warlock patron.

[mint coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/835377117616668692.gif?size=96

[brisk trail]

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-up-stongs-meme-stocks-gif-15715298

wrong reply

whoops

[naive hare]

Which pickups are permanent?

[brisk trail]

this is stonks

[naive hare]

The boons are just for the run right

[quiet lily]

Bouldy clearly favors those who carry him, and taken frequent short rests.

Why do you think Sisiphus got so strong?

Ghosts can't build muscles.

There's no muscles to build.

[naive hare]

Which are perma?

[mint coral]

darkness/gems/nectar/keys

[naive hare]

Any? Or

Ah

[quiet lily]

Sisiphus obviously took the invocation that lets him change his appearance at will, and decided to stay strong looking.

[naive hare]

All weapons unlocked u keep too right

[brisk trail]

yes

[naive hare]

Kk

[signal aspen]

nah sometimes skelly will take one and then you have to fight him for it

[quiet lily]

man, imagine a Skelly boss fight.

[naive hare]

Cool

[quiet lily]

"It's not use Boyo, I know all you're moves!"

[naive hare]

Sword feels good

Seems like should only dash with it

Like the combo is bad

[brisk trail]

he's learning

[quiet lily]

he uses whatever moveset depending on the weapon he took, has a very high dodge chance since he just knows how Zagreus attacks.

[naive hare]

But dash strike seems good

[gray apex]

Indeed

[mint coral]

dash strike good, combo bad yes

[naive hare]

Tite

[gray apex]

That's the way of the sword gaming

[naive hare]

Bow seems gimped

But all this just base models

[high island]

Fatal flaw: he wants Zag to hit him.

[quiet lily]

Put more titan blood into the Zag aspect bow, take the Shattered Shackle to 3 stars.

[naive hare]

Shattered shackle?

[brisk trail]

or wait until you get ||aspects||

[quiet lily]

do not pick up an attack boon

stonks

[brisk trail]

that's where bow really shines

[naive hare]

First run getting kinda far think idk

[last veldt]

He wants Zag to hug him

[quiet lily]

give a Nectar to sisiphus, it's his keepsake.

[naive hare]

Oh not there yet

Ok will

Deflect dash is cool

Op feelin

[twin thistle]

or just pick up an attack

[quiet lily]

Did I say Hestia before

I meant Eris

I've taken a liking to Eris with rocket bomb.

[quiet lily]

but 3 star shattered shackle is like a boon that has +100% damage for attack.

[naive hare]

I think im the chosen one that the prophesy fortold

[quiet lily]

most epic level boons for attack don't do that much extra percent.

[naive hare]

Leme know if anyone needs help/tips/advise

[mint coral]

aphro epic is the same and gives you weak, and open up good duos

artemis gives you crits

[twin thistle]

duos are more important

[quiet lily]

base bow already has a crit chance.

eh, shattered shackle zag bow got me to clear all the rewards for bow in the pact of punishment.

so I'm biased.

[twin thistle]

ive done 32 heat with shackle i know its good

but youre just intentionally gimping yourself

[quiet lily]

Epic Aphro attack boon would be better, yes, but the keepsake is less rng for a small decrease in damage, it's consistency.

[mint coral]

the real strategy is ME ofc

[twin thistle]

its not consistency when you have no control over your god pool

[gray apex]

It's consistent for AP2

Always ends up forcing you into a common poseidon attack

profit

[twin thistle]

ap2

seastorm bow stonks

[gray apex]

lol

[naive hare]

Wheres sisiphus?

To give gift

[chrome wharf]

chilling in Tartarus, take the (!) room there to visit him

[naive hare]

Should he be there early?

[chrome wharf]

idk about room number rng

[lone kernel]

He shows up between like chambers 6-12 I think, roughly 1/3 times

[naive hare]

Wait he in like house?

Or random in a level?

[lone kernel]

Nah he’s in Tartarus

[naive hare]

Ah

Kk

[lone kernel]

If you find a door with a !

That’s a friend room

[naive hare]

So go to room with !

[lone kernel]

Free room, get a nifty boost

[naive hare]

Ah k

[lone kernel]

Basically yes lol

[naive hare]

Ty

[lone kernel]

[naive hare]

Are things bought in mirror perma?

Like shadow presence for eg

[mint coral]

yup

[naive hare]

Wait

Wat about this first hit with sword reg attack canceled into special attack? Seems good

Y~X repeat

[twin thistle]

it kinda locks you into place

better to dash strike into special

[naive hare]

Word

Hows spear

[twin thistle]

especially of you have 2 dashes thenyou dashstrike till you run out then special

[naive hare]

Feels strong

[twin thistle]

spear is good. like a longer range sword

[naive hare]

Wherr is meter for special

Like how many times can i hit X

[twin thistle]

wdym meter?

[lone kernel]

infinity

it has a cooldown like you cant just spam it, but you have as many uses of it as you want

[naive hare]

Ahh kk

Ty

[lone kernel]

you also have casts, the ammo is next to red crystal thing on the bottom

theres either pick it up and reuse option or recharging ammo option on the mirror of night

[south musk]

What’s would probably be the best keepsake in general?

[gray apex]

There isn't really a best for keepsakes

[last veldt]

Dusa

Dusa is best everything

[south musk]

I’m using lucky tooth rn

[gray apex]

Most people aim for a certain build, and force 1 god into Tart, 1 god into Aspho, then defensive keepsakes for the rest of the run

[last veldt]

Or forget and start the run with Acorn and wonder why their expected good didn't show.

[south musk]

Acorn is 5 free hits on bosses, right?

I forgot

[last veldt]

If you expect to get past Tartarus and Asphodel without dying, taking tooth there is wasting an opportunity to get a better build by forcing other gods

[south musk]

I haven’t gotten past the first boss yet so I’m just using tooth as a handicap

[last veldt]

Ah okay

Try petting the best boy and give him nectar to get his keepsake.

[south musk]

The collar thing that gives you more max health?

[last veldt]

Yeah

[south musk]

I have that

[last veldt]

Power that up to max and it's better than the tooth.

And you can get another 50 health from the mirror

[south musk]

also should I get flurry jab, massive spin, or quick spin

[last veldt]

So starting with 150 health should get you past meg

[south musk]

Probably

Definitely

[twin thistle]

flurry

[last veldt]

For early on go with flurry and look for Zeus or Dionysus

[south musk]

I like Zeus with spear

[last veldt]

Flurry Zeus is very nice

[south musk]

I just hope I get chain lightning or whatever it is that makes your main attack electric

[last veldt]

Yeah, Zeus attack boon

[south musk]

yeah

[last veldt]

Lightning strike

[south musk]

just got chaos keepsake because convenience

[last veldt]

It can work well but not being able to roll bad choices can suck.

[south musk]

huh, cool

Sisyphus room

[last veldt]

Early on, especially if you don't expect to get much further, take darkness over coin (unless you need health).

Say hi to bouldy for me

[south musk]

I did

I killed magearea or whatever her name is

[grizzled jay]

You know the deal with the broker that's 15 keys for one blood?

i have 14 keys and nine gemstones

i wanna cry

[twin thistle]

rip

[naive hare]

So in terms of weapon types are there only sword, bow, spear, shield, fists, and gun?

Like those are the archetypes?

In terms of playstyles

[gray apex]

I guess you could say that yea

[naive hare]

Kk

Wataya mean guess tho

[grizzled jay]

for the most part yea but it can differ with the aspects

[naive hare]

Is that all the weapon types or

Ok

Which do you all like best?

So far sword feels best

Only gotten to third area tho

Third main zone i guess

[grizzled jay]

for me, it really just depends on what i want to use in that run

[naive hare]

Yea

[grizzled jay]

sometimes i like to use the sword other times im feeling the bow ya know

[twin thistle]

weapons with and without aspects are pretty different

[naive hare]

Ah

[gray apex]

Yea aspects change things a lot, like you basically play Eris (rail) like it’s a melee weapon, very agressive and close range, Hestia (also rail) is a totally different playstyle

[naive hare]

Like how bow feels like monster hunter dashing

So rail is good?

Whats like meta roughly

[gray apex]

Well every weapon is good

[naive hare]

In terms of plain archetype

[twin thistle]

id say rail is the best base weapon ig

but playstyle and hammers matters

[naive hare]

Hammers?

[grizzled jay]

from what i find the meta is the one you enjoy the most

[naive hare]

Like upgrades?

[gray apex]

Yea hammers can change the fundamentals of a weapon

[naive hare]

Kk cool

[twin thistle]

Daedalus hammers are the ones that change your attack properties that arent boons

[gray apex]

Like Charged Shot on the shield removing the whole bull rushing mechanic and making it basically a ranged weapon

[twin thistle]

/better bow

[gray apex]

Yea there is a lot to cover

[grizzled jay]

speaking of hammers what's yalls favorite?

[twin thistle]

depends on the weapon/aspect

[naive hare]

Thamks for the feedback

Idk sword feels best but dps seems low

On dummy

But guess kinda keep out weapon

[twin thistle]

sword is a bit aspect and hammer dependant for base dps

[naive hare]

Ah

[twin thistle]

like nemesis is a free 30% crit chance maxed so basically 60% more damage

double edge makes your dash strike do double damage

[naive hare]

Fists seem like backstab machine

Yea i had that one. Dash strike. Good

[mint coral]

took gold from bouldy room with a chaos no money curse

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/835377117616668692.gif?size=96

[gray apex]

Lmao I’ve done that too many times

[mint coral]

i've taken a lot of gold chamber by error but i think is the first time i do it on bouldy room

got a fast asterius fight with stygian shards strats

kinda fun

[naive hare]

So so far the rail is like 800% better then any other weapon

Was this like free easy mode dlc or what

[mint coral]

achilles special from styx shop to the tunnels is fun

[gray apex]

Pro speedrunning strats

Achilles needs a hammer that increases special range

Imagine throwing your special over to the other side in ely bridge room

Stonks

Or aspho big rooms

Or across a shop

I’m a genius sometimes

Should sleep probably

[mint coral]

i remember the mod that combines all aspects of the weapon with their bonus

zag spear bonus to range with achilles was fun

[gray apex]

Combining Rama with Chiron sounds interesting lol

[candid void]

Do chaos boons deactivate the shattered shackle bonus?

[mint coral]

nope

[candid void]

Epic

[mint coral]

only having a boon in the attack-special-cast deactivates the bonus for the one you took

[calm zenith]

You ever get a charon bag with the no money curse

And accidentally take it

[mint coral]

at least you still gain a 20% discount

[calm zenith]

I've 100% reset runs over getting gold chamber 2 of Asphodel after taking the curse late Tartarus

It feels too bad to have to skip the end shop basically and get that so I quit

[lone kernel]

It’s even funnier when it’s Erebus and the onion literally would have helped more

[calm zenith]

For sure

I need 1 more onion to finish the entry

Then I have 100% on the entries

[merry bane]

it's getting there https://imgur.com/TvQW0WV

[inner tinsel]

Just finished maxing out keepsakes here, friends. That does it for steam achievements..

I've been back at this game for a while since putting it down last winter when I managed 32 heat, and it's hooked me all over again

[shadow sky]

seeing deathless stand while at 1 hp with max defiances hurt my heart

[winged pollen]

which hidden weapon aspect is the most annoying to unlock?

[rose dagger]

I polly say ||gilgamesh||

[chrome wharf]

I think shield followed by fists

[hidden cape]

not the run i was planing but...

||Curse of nausea / Exclusive access and Drunken strike in this run....||

Maybe il finnaly clear Floor 3 😆 i suck

[silent siren]

I have a heartbreak flourish damage build with|| malphons(Heartbreak flourish, dying lament, urge to kill, oceans’ bounty, side hustle and then for hammer draining cutter). What do I get for my second hammer? My options are flying cutter, rush kick and rolling knuckle. ||

[silent siren]

||theseus is the only reason I haven’t gotten to floor 4, asteroid is manageable on his own but when also trying to dodge his arrows and eventually his god call at half health, it becomes really difficult. Closest I got was normal fists against them and just theseus left with 1/4-1/5 health left||

[hidden cape]

||@silent siren yea that bow is annoying af while trying to dodge the jumping attacks||

[winged pollen]

||theseus is a pain at first but eventually you'll be able to know his patterns||

[silent siren]

||with draining cutter special based damage build (heartbreak flourish) what do I go for for my second hammer? I’m thinking rush kick or flying cutter, flying cutter is still prophecy but idk how good it is and rush kick has better mobility||

[hidden cape]

||@silent siren Wish me luck doing the boss fight now got x3 Death def and 1 lucky tooth still 🙂 + lots of hangover Dot dmg||

[twin thistle]

uhhhhh

this is the spoilers allowed channel

[silent siren]

Oh lol

[hidden cape]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

better safe than sorry

[silent siren]

Thought it would be better safe than sorry but ok

[twin thistle]

you should be ignoring theseus mostly till you kill asterius

dealing with both theseus' god calls and tryna avoid asterius isnt a good idea unless youre experienced

[silent siren]

Good luck! I’m still on chamber 29 and I have 2 death defs and lucky tooth, draining cutter special builds are pretty good imo. Still trying to figure out what my second hammer should be though

[silent siren]

Yeah thanks for the advice, I generally end up hitting him in the process of going after asterius

[final needle]

the deed has been done

i have completed

dad

[hidden cape]

just beat floor 3 fml took everythingi had 3 death defy and 1 lucky tooth, was in the name of learning tho

[silent siren]

Good job!

[final needle]

wait boss 3?

[hidden cape]

yea boss 3 floor 3

[final needle]

ahh

i hate the 2 heroes

[hidden cape]

Yea,,,

[final needle]

i die to them so much

especially when theseus does his aid

[hidden cape]

doing not so bad this is my 10th? escape attempt

[silent siren]

I think I’ve gotten to asterius alone somehow with all health and revives… draining cutter special build has helped me keep all of my health and kill enemies fast enough.

[final needle]

dangf

thats good

[silent siren]

I’m on my 23rd or 24th rn and still haven’t beaten Theseus

[final needle]

took me like until 50 - 60 to beat him

[silent siren]

Will probably take an additional 10 attempts to get to final boss at least

[vapid narwhal]

getting pass the heroes on 10th is very, very good

[silent siren]

Max took something like 18 tries to beat the final boss so you seem to be on a similar pace to him

[hidden cape]

i can double check my save file for accurate escape attempt but iirc its my 10th atm

ugh... i need help on a boon choice discord is not letting me upload

basicly running the dionysus god run

[silent siren]

Does asterius by himself have the same amount of health that he has when with Theseus? I just beat him with 55 health by himself so it’s definitely doable to beat them this run for me given 2 death defiances plus skelly

[hidden cape]

i think he has the same full hp

but doesnt run at 30% left

[silent siren]

Does he start running earlier than that? I could’ve sworn he ran sometime during the last fight.

[vapid narwhal]

yes, same HP, but leaves with about 25% ish HP left, and if you beat him, he'll have less starting HP during the actual boss fight as well

[hidden cape]

oh really? guess i got lucky fought him before my boss fight

[silent siren]

That’s reassuring. What number of chamber do I come across both again? I only just noticed there was a chamber count.

[vapid narwhal]

the boss chambers will always be after the 2nd shop chamber in each biome

[silent siren]

That gives me a chance to get back to full hp and save money, I have 538 rn due to side hustle and oceans bounty

[hidden cape]

alright need some advice here.. https://imgur.com/a/gvYHa0j

[vapid narwhal]

so if you see the shop the 2nd time, the one after that will always be the boss fight

[silent siren]

Ok thanks!

[hidden cape]

have x2 duo boons from dion already + alot of hangover dot was thinking Slow or dmg right?

[twin thistle]

bad influence is really good here. also you dont want to have multiple sources of hangover. the newest instance will overwrite old ones

[hidden cape]

my q does handover + attacks

[twin thistle]

yeah which isnt good

if you special an enemy which has stacks from your attack, youre gunna be doing worse damage

since the weaker special stacks will replace ones from the attack

what weapon is this?

[hidden cape]

bow

[twin thistle]

uh

[hidden cape]

was doing bow darkness run and it... turned into my best run lol

[twin thistle]

hangover on bow attack is really bad

[silent siren]

Heroic Heartbreak flourish to level 4 or heroic urge to kill to level 4? Doing a special build with fists

Have doom on attack

[twin thistle]

well i guess you probably dont have it upgraded but hangover is quite unoptimal since the bow has gpod base damage

having it heroic and pommed helps though i guess

[hidden cape]

gotcha i think i might be running doom + all attack = hangover atm

[twin thistle]

urge to kill has terrible pom scaling

[hidden cape]

my memory is bad lol

[silent siren]

Okay

[hidden cape]

So im thinking the damage % one would be the best bet for AoE hangover ing~

[twin thistle]

also damage increases are additive btw @silent siren

[hidden cape]

floor 4 is .... different

[twin thistle]

mhm

[silent siren]

Is boss 3 ever right after Patroclus or whatever his name is? I’m thinking I want cyclops jerky select given hydralite only heals 30% and kiss of Styx premium recovers death defiances when I have all my death defiances

[twin thistle]

can be

unlikely though

[silent siren]

I assume cyclops jerky is best option rn?

[twin thistle]

right before as in chamber 34 with the end shop right after

[twin thistle]

depends on your health situation and weapon

like youre focusing on your special right?

[silent siren]

I have all death defiances - kiss of Styx recovers zero in those regards unless it increases the count temporarily? Hydralite gold gives health but I have draining cutter and a ton of obol to buy food with, and cyclops jerky increases attack damage by 60%

[silent siren]

Yep

[twin thistle]

tbh the attack damage increase wont be helping much

[silent siren]

The one annoyance in this game is I can’t check my health level while talking to someone

I think it’s at 88/175

[twin thistle]

you can if you hover over hydralite

[silent siren]

Yeah it’s at 88/175

[twin thistle]

yeah just grab that

[silent siren]

Ok, even if I have draining cutter and 600 gold?

Just double checking

[twin thistle]

theres a shop right after styx that you can spend that on instead

youre using base fists right?

[silent siren]

I take it it’s better to be safe and get back to full health than to increase normal attack

[silent siren]

Yep

[hidden cape]

Guess i should have never traded away one of my titan blood early game for gems Sadge

[silent siren]

I spent all of mine on aspect of chaos shield which is pretty good but I prefer fists

[twin thistle]

btw if you didnt know. with fists you can transition from a dash attack into a dash upper within a single dash

[hidden cape]

i still have had any weps let me use it on them yet..

[winged pollen]

dont worry once you unlock the ||pact of punishment|| you practically get inf titan blood

[silent siren]

Oh nice

[twin thistle]

basically press dash > attack > special in quick succession

[silent siren]

How do you unlock that

[winged pollen]

kill hades

[silent siren]

Okay

[twin thistle]

like fists have base 25 dash strike damage so jerky only means like 15 more damage with dash strike chains which wont be much tbh

[hidden cape]

Oh something i should ask what are considered the top teir items to use when starting? i was thinking thanatos's dmg one right?

[silent siren]

Seriously I can’t gift Patroclus until second time… he’s one of the only people I have left other than Zeus Demeter chaos snd a couple others

[twin thistle]

butterfly is quite bad even for experienced players who dont get hit. god keepsakes are the best to start with so you can make a good build

[silent siren]

Skelly when you get to an area you haven’t beaten before otherwise guaranteed boon ones is what I usually do. Helps making the build I want

[hidden cape]

ah ok. il have to start leveling those then

Athena i hear is OP to run right?

[twin thistle]

she's forgiving

[silent siren]

Skelly is arguably the best until you beat the game for the first time and get comfortable with the bosses

[twin thistle]

but not great damage other than merciful end

if you want a defensive keepsake in tart, then better to start collar

[hidden cape]

ngl the first one i maxed was the dmg% with no boons modding it

lol

[silent siren]

Agreed, divine strike on fists or in general divine dash are some of the best boons she has

[hidden cape]

oh and i checked i lied it was~ my 14th run not 10th

lol

still broke 2k darkness to my name >_> dam bot

[twin thistle]

14th run and past champs is quite good

[hidden cape]

🙂 not on the of the fresh file speedrunners tho maybe one day

only decided to try this game in like the last week, know its been out awhile tho

[twin thistle]

well those guys have hundreds of hours

[silent siren]

^

My brother got game pass for a couple months and since I wanted to play this game but didn’t know if I’d like it I downloaded it to play. Not gonna be fun when I have to reset cause I’ll probably buy it on steam when it goes on sale.

[twin thistle]

yeah was a bit annoying when i moved from xbox to steam and had to regrind from a 100%ed file basically lol

[hidden cape]

thats some of the fun of it tho

🙂

[twin thistle]

though it does go a lot faster and nice knowing how you improved

[final needle]

no so from experience patroclus is 4 rooms before the boss

usually

[silent siren]

Wish me luck with Theseus, 135/175 health 2 death defiances and skelly

[final needle]

sometimes its different

[final needle]

u got it

play it slow

[hidden cape]

use cover!

[runic parrot]

can you edit a savefile so it's in hell mode?

i want to get pl but i dont really want to start a new save

[silent siren]

One death defiance used and left at 47/175 health

[silent siren]

What’s pl?

[fast willow]

speedrunning modpack v1.1.1 has a toggle hellmode option

alternately you could download a maxed out hellmode save

[runic parrot]

ty

[silent siren]

Should I sell urge to kill? I have a level 5 heroic heartbreak flourish in a special fist build… also what about side hustle? Is it worth selling before temple of Styx for 70 when it gives 13 per chamber?

I have 270 gold after buying back my death defiance

Also how do I fish/get a fishing rod?