h1-discussion

[lone kernel]

Dio cast Stygian but needs a chaos bloodstone

Or 🌹

[twin thistle]

its nice if you have a good starting seed

[lone kernel]

Facts

[whole comet]

Lol that statement applies to everything

[twin thistle]

a lot of builds rely a lot less on that starting seed

tbh if im using poseidon sword ill just build smouldering air and use whatever cast

[whole comet]

Oh? I thought most unseeded at high heat still have to reset if they did not get their desired boon

[lone kernel]

Lol I was tryin to show my brother zag bow isn’t bad and ended up with an epic hermes dashes and a level five epic splash dash

I didn’t even attack lol

[twin thistle]

if talking high heat yeah

[whole comet]

Hmmm still dun find zag bow that appealing

[twin thistle]

but trippy at high heat is a lot of resets

[whole comet]

All others bows seem to just do better

[twin thistle]

chiron ew

[whole comet]

Is there a link where people kept track of high heat clear stuff?

[devout terrace]

linked in #h1-high-heat-strategies

[twin thistle]

^

[lone kernel]

Zag bow likes a lot of blood and a very dash strikey button mash never stop moving play style. Also I find it pretty hammer dependent and reliant on a big attack multiplier at start, explosive shot zag bow is fun af tho

[whole comet]

Quite dominates bu Rama lol

The leaderboard

Oops RIP spear and fist

Even sword somehow has 57

[whole comet]

Oh right about bow

I haven’t thought about going for hammer usually cause AP2

[lone kernel]

explosive shot super based

it still charges fast enough

and its chonky

aphro into smoldering

arty heart rend

but ap2 is just pain

i cant help much there

[whole comet]

When ur at heat 50 u might need to pick AP2 and probably hard to rely on hammer upgrade, right?

Especially u can’t reroll hammer

[gray apex]

You just have to play with whatever you get

[whole comet]

I just think all non zag bow still seem pretty decent without hammer,

[gray apex]

You still want both hammers on bows tho

[calm zenith]

Rama is just too good to not be top

I doubt it'll always be the top but it's a very consistent aspect

[twin thistle]

well its done 62 heat

[lone kernel]

Should I do Rama or zag bow

[calm zenith]

What are you going for

[lone kernel]

Someone else to make the decision for me lol

[calm zenith]

Just use Rama

[lone kernel]

Aight

[twin thistle]

do charged volley zag bow

[lone kernel]

I forgot that exists

[calm zenith]

Equip Dionysus keepsake and go special and bad influence if you see it

[lone kernel]

lol total meme run here

[twin thistle]

just do zeus with special rama and have jolted kill everything

[calm zenith]

Yeah get cold fusion

[plush eagle]

What is routing?

[lone kernel]

Charged flight on beo surprisingly based (brother said start hunters flare and then take first four gods)

It’s like…okay, but man charged flight is good boon

Four sacked now a minute to do em4. Yippee

[twin thistle]

games uses pseudo rng like most games. you can manipulate the rng by doing stuff like casting and breaking pots and funny codex stuff

[plush eagle]

You’re kidding, breaking pots!?

[twin thistle]

idk. think thats only in the first room where pots matter or something

there's a video somewhere

[whole comet]

techincally, u just need to enter a room in a specific time

1 second, 2 seconds, 3 seconds etc, the next room spawns different things

[twin thistle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHdt35TDvNY

that or something

[atomic relic]

what does the lock on a characters hearts mean? dusa has all hearts filled but one with a lock idk how to progress her dialogue

[twin thistle]

means there a hidden requirement you need to meet to unlock it. usually its something youll just hit without doing anything extra after a while but specifics can be found in the wiki

[devout terrace]

What this guide doesnt tell you is that 95% of seeds wont even live to see ch7

And a fraction of that leaves tart

[twin thistle]

is there a better guide somewhere

or mostly just seeding pain stuff no matter what

[lone kernel]

Can i just set it up so I get to pick everything and speedrun a bunch of chaos and fountains and stuff

I am speed

[calm zenith]

Pots would do it? I've only done routing by messing with the mirror

Which I assume doesnt really do much

[fair dove]

Haven’t played this game for over half a year

About to get back into it

There hasn’t been any content updates right?

Ever since release of 1.0?

[twin thistle]

uh ig you could look at patch notes

[fair dove]

Ok, a few weapon balance tweaks

Not bad

Thanks

[lone kernel]

Yeah it’s minor stuff

I think the taken by the Styx animation got changed in winter last year

[thorny mirage]

https://youtu.be/QvBFDr0S4S4
Wonder if this still works

[twin thistle]

dont think it lets you quit

[plush eagle]

What’s Ferocious Bond?

It’s my first bond

Because Cerberus is a good boi

I thought that would be how I got the summon for him because I still don’t have anything unlocked from the secret stash but it just put an icon by my spiked collar. Do I have to win with it equipped?

[twin thistle]

bonds uh... do nothing

well they do stuff like being prereqs for stuff like dio

dio's favor ig

[plush eagle]

Oh… so I wasted ambrosia I could have given to Meg for her summon? Or… is that also not how you get her summon either?

Part of me doesn’t want it spoiled

But part of me wants to actually work toward something and the game is giving me no direction

Even though I’ve completed the main story I still have so much to do and very little info

Like unlocking the hidden aspects and summons

[twin thistle]

yeah locked hearts dont really have clear directions

[plush eagle]

My guess is I need to reveal the first skelly statue for at least one of those things

[twin thistle]

no you dont

[plush eagle]

Wellp see what I mean lmao I can only guess

[twin thistle]

for favors and hidden aspects the wiki tells you the requirement if you feel like it. hidden aspects also in #h1-story-discussion pins

[plush eagle]

I get that’s by design but the game really encourages you to NOT go looking things up online so they’re not spoiled, but then when you get to end game, there is very little way for the player to find that direction on their own

So it becomes just running the same game over and over and eventually getting lucky having fulfilled whatever hidden prerequisite there is

This is the first game I’ve striven to get better at that I didn’t immediately start looking up builds and tutorials and guides and stuff for

Because I wanted to at least beat the game once before I ever watched a full gameplay

Tell me this; am I close to getting it naturally on my own? Or should I go ahead and look it up for at least Meg if I want to get a summon any time soon?

I have 10 wins and 50+ games

I only have one aspect maxed, and I’m missing only one keepsake (Demeter, because I keep forgetting to gift her when I’m in my “gotta go fast” mode)

[mint coral]

if you already opened the locked heart of meg you are basically already there for the summon

[plush eagle]

I haven’t opened it but I’ve reached the locked heart

I’ll keep working on it. The problem is she’s so rarely available for gifting and often I’ll talk to her first to learn the story and then suddenly lose the ability to gift after the convo

I need to start gifting first and asking questions later

I don’t want hidden aspects spoiled yet, so tell me this… am I close to unlocking them, or should I start investing blood into upgrading my zag shield? I want beowulf.

But currently I have base zag

[mint coral]

have you revealed any hidden aspect at all?

[plush eagle]

No

[mint coral]

how many aspects in general have you unlocked (on all weapons)

[plush lava]

Hi

So I just got the game today right and it's a blast

But I gotta ask

Is the bow supposed to be this busted

Lmao

[plush eagle]

Every weapon feels busted to different people

Personally, I’m terrible with ranged weapons, so be glad you’re comfortable on it already

[mint coral]

bow is good in general but yeah, everything feels better or worse for certain people

[plush lava]

Also I got Titans blood from that one fury person and idk what that does

What does it do

Lol

[plush eagle]

Also, I recommend frequenting #h1-for-new-players as this channel will sometimes contain spoilers and this game is best left as a present you have to unwrap over time

[plush lava]

Oh ok

[mint coral]

once you unlock all weapons you can see its use

[plush lava]

Ok

[plush eagle]

You’ll figure it out shortly. Take your time and try to learn the most you can about what you do know, rather than getting ahead of yourself so it doesn’t feel so daunting.

Welcome to the game!

You’re going to love it

[plush lava]

Ok ty for the help lol

It's kinda weird that I like this game so much

Cuz I usually hate roguelikes

[plush eagle]

It’s my first roguelike and I’m in love

[plush lava]

Lol

I hated dead cells

So much

Maybe cuz it's a dungeon crawler

Which is fun

But idk

[plush eagle]

Really? I’ve heard such great things about it and I’ve been meaning to try it eventually. I was gonna wait til I got a switch and get it for that but now idk if I’ll get one since I just bought a PS5

What didn’t you like about it?

[plush lava]

Idk

I was just bad at it

💀

[plush eagle]

The fact that it’s a roguelike no longer turns me off because of Hades

Aw rip

fr tho this game makes me wanna try other roguelikes. I’ve heard Risk of Rain 2 is great

[plush lava]

Although I was bad at enter the gungeon

And that game was amazing

So idk

[fair dove]

I’m trash now wtf

Can’t even beat 16 heat EM4

[plush eagle]

You’ll quickly find you’re bad at Hades too… I thought I was okay because I was winning games relatively consistently and then I saw what good times look like

[plush eagle]

And because I see people say this about things I haven’t even attempted yet

[fair dove]

Ok it’s all about perspective

[plush eagle]

Hades is very beginner friendly because no matter how trash you are relative to the player base and the top players, you’ll always have fun

[fair dove]

Like I said that because I experienced a skill downgrade

Not because not beating that is just straight up bad

[plush eagle]

Yeah no I know what you meant but I’m just saying that relative to the best players most ppl are trash

Like Haelion would stomp the majority of this discord’s times, unless there are a lot more prominent speedrunners here than I thought

And he’s just a mainstream guy

I don’t even know about the super elite speed runners

It’s just got an insane skill ceiling

[fair dove]

From over a year ago I remember bablo

He was a good speed runner

[chrome reef]

Hi yall

[fair dove]

There was one other one that I can’t seem to remember

[plush eagle]

Like in league of legends, if you’re platinum or below, you’re actual garbage in comparison to anyone at a high level of skill

Source, I’m just on the cusp of gold and everyone in my games and I are all very bad compared to a master or challenger player

You just gotta acknowledge you’re not good but the game is fun anyway and then you see yourself improve

Like somebody told me my first win at 22 mins or something was really good for the average of first wins, but I’m not satisfied knowing sub 20 is the bare minimum standard for anyone who cares about run time at all, and sub 10 is the standard for the top players

[lone kernel]

I’m happy at 40 heat wins

[plush eagle]

One day I’ll get there 🥺

[lone kernel]

You will if you want to!

Just takes lots of practice

[plush eagle]

I’ll practice hard

Right now I’m missing 2 critical skills

[lone kernel]

Take it at your own pace, that’s the beauty of it

Some nights I just wanna stroll around and waste bad guys

Some nights I want sweaty tryhard

I can do both easy w heat

[plush eagle]

1: precise positioning with dash strikes
2: chamber pathing so I finish close to the door

[lone kernel]

If you just got your first win, more reps will help more than anything

Like you just got Demeter lol

[plush eagle]

I’m also working on trying to get the spawns closer to the door but even when I’m at the top wall sometimes it just doesn’t spawn them near the door which is annoying

[lone kernel]

Slow down

Try to enjoy the ride

You need a maxed out mirror and keepsakes and companions and stuff for speedrun

[plush eagle]

I have 10 now after 50 runs

[lone kernel]

Oh based

Ok max out Meg

That’s next

[plush eagle]

That’s what I’m working on, I just need to learn to gift first and ask questions later

[lone kernel]

Yep

[plush eagle]

I keep accidentally talking to her first to know more about the story and then not being able to gift

But I reached the locked heart part so I’m close

[lone kernel]

Yeah if you don’t have companions you’re not gonna get sub 20s yet

Is your mirror and speedrunning weapons maxed

[plush lava]

Uh

Tf is this

"descend (-21)"

[plush eagle]

I have sub 20s, but now I’m shooting for sub 15s and I think I’ll need Meg for that

[lone kernel]

Oh based

Yeah

Just keep doin the thing and congrats on winning the game

[plush eagle]

Last night I got my best time and it was my 10th win and 50th run so it was very based indeed

[plush lava]

I descended

Lmao

[lone kernel]

[plush eagle]

Well, it wasn’t officially my best time

[lone kernel]

You’re getting better

Worry more about the average time than your career best

[plush eagle]

My best time was 17:37.99 and that run was 18:52.57 but if it weren’t for the end credits and I actually got the fight redacted I would have had my best time because I left Styx at sub 15

[lone kernel]

Like if it’s 19 today and 17 next week, super based

[high island]

Tbh looking up things like that probably won't make it any faster. Just keep handing out gifts, leveling up keepsakes, talking to everyone, do more runs...

[plush eagle]

That’s great advice. Career best means both skill AND luck, but you can only have consistently good times with skill.

[lone kernel]

Yeah someone here told me that lol

[plush eagle]

Genius advice, could probably transfer to other games as well

[lone kernel]

My asphodel splitting bolt isn’t a reliable strategy

Or life

[plush eagle]

True, focus on your average performance in life rather than your personal bests. Like weightlifting. Nobody goes for a PR every time they go to the gym.

[lone kernel]

Some guys do

[plush eagle]

Well, true

[lone kernel]

Don’t be like them lol

[plush eagle]

But serious bodybuilders don’t

They conserve that energy for allotted days

[lone kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/space-jam-michael-jordan-bugs-bunny-shake-secret-stuff-gif-5450722

[plush eagle]

And focus on their average every day lifting

Speaking of, I need to start going back to the gym 🤦🏻‍♂️

[lone kernel]

Eh just play hades

Hand exercise

[plush eagle]

Will I ever get to sleep in my bed again? I only got that one time to dream but every other time he’s said “no sleeping here” or “I’m not even tired”

How dare the devs taunt me with a comfy bed I can’t sleep in 😭

[high island]

Do you want an answer to that or find out on your own?

[plush eagle]

I’ll find out lol

[high island]

That's what I thought lol.

[plush eagle]

First heat 4 run, first EM run, fists

Wish me luck

Going for you know which duo boon

[chrome reef]

What are yalls favorite weapons and aspects?

[plush eagle]

Achilles and Demeter 😍

[high island]

No. No good luck. I wish for you to have a well thought-out plan that you execute with precision.

[plush eagle]

Fair enough, continue to hold me accountable

But also wish ME drops 😭

[chrome reef]

I hate the Demeter aspect

[high island]

I would never wish that on anyone. I don't like Merciful End lol.

[chrome reef]

But also I hate every fist aspect that isnt Gilgamesh so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[high island]

And you're saying that in the presence of the Queen of Malphon.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/378698566924763148/848044745493446656/postthisifnyatypes.gif

[plush eagle]

Because it’s too OP? 😂

[chrome reef]

...Queen Malphon?

[high island]

Queen of Malphon.

[high island]

Because it's boring.

[chrome reef]

Malphon is honestly maybe my least favorite weapon

Actually no thats a lie

Thats Aegis

[plush eagle]

Oof

[chrome reef]

Favorite is either Varatha with Hades, Styguis with Arthur, or Exagryph with Lucifer/Eris

[high island]

Don't think I have any favorite weapon or aspect in particular at the moment.

is my favorite. I start all my runs with that.

[chrome reef]

Ive been learning to like Aphrodite boons more

[high island]

You should. She's the main character.

[chrome reef]

Perfect for Gilgamesh Special and Hera Cast

[twin thistle]

ngl ive really come to like nemesis

[high island]

https://clips.twitch.tv/PeppyCloudySnoodDoggo-1SiN8wRSl3hsg9j8

There's also this canon dialogue between Dusa and Zagreus. https://clips.twitch.tv/SpicyPerfectShingleKeyboardCat-xhn9Fpv0rzOGv5cf

[plush eagle]

My first 3 boons were epic divine dash, doom attack, and divine flourish

Ezpz

[plush lava]

Made it out of the second area

Woo

[high island]

Woo!

[plush lava]

I got this explosive shot from the hammer

And I hated it at first cuz the slow charge time sucks

[plush eagle]

Oh hold up, should I pick epic Artemis aid or rare pressure points?

[high island]

Nemesis is fun, yeah. You actually use the whole toolkit.

[plush eagle]

This is a tough choice

[plush lava]

But damn it does a hell of a lot of dmg

Lmao

[high island]

Why are you only naming two of the three options?

[plush eagle]

I don’t care about the common cast when I can pick that up literally any other time

[chrome reef]

Aid

100%

[plush eagle]

Her call is great for burst

[high island]

Her Call is pretty weak.

[plush eagle]

But I like the idea of anything being able to crit too

[twin thistle]

cast can get you deadly reversal

[high island]

True Shot unlocks Deadly Reversal. Getting that + Merciful End is pretty much the ideal ME build.

I'd probably pick Pressure Points, though, because you want ME first.

[plush eagle]

Ohhh, I hadn’t thought of arty duos

[twin thistle]

mhm might muddy up the duo pool

[chrome reef]

Huh

[high island]

ME = Merciful End

[plush eagle]

Good point

[chrome reef]

What does that mean

I have 70+ hours and no clue about hades lingo

[plush eagle]

Don’t worry I got called out for cussing a couple times too.

[twin thistle]

censor bot

[plush eagle]

Merciful end is a powerful duo boon with the fists

It’s the build I’m going for this game

[high island]

Merciful End is the Duo Boon from Lady Athena and Lord Ares.

[plush eagle]

Should I bring Lord Zeus into the pool?

He popped up in my shop

[high island]

Any attack that can deflect will immediately trigger Doom when you hit an enemy with it, and you also get 40 more Doom damage when you do that.

[chrome reef]

Huh

Neat

I just have god boons I like for basic attacks

[high island]

No.

[chrome reef]

I rarely think about casts and calls

Unless im running Hera bow

Or Beowulf Aegis

[plush eagle]

Also, does fighting ||Charon|| end up wasting time?

[high island]

Yes.

Quite a lot.

[plush eagle]

I figured

Thought he wasn’t like most minibosses in that regard

If I weren’t playing on a deadline I’d give it a shot

But since I’m not spending money on Zeus anyway it’s cool

[twin thistle]

he has like either 16k or 17k hp or something

[chrome reef]

Wait

Wait

Charon?

[twin thistle]

yeah

[chrome reef]

Hold on

gjkfkjgfkjfghjgkjfkgkgkkjgf

[twin thistle]

oh its 16.5k

[chrome reef]

How much does hades have?

[twin thistle]

17k a health bar

[chrome reef]

That

is funny as hell

[plush eagle]

3:55.50 Meg first time EM on heat 4

Let’s goooo

[high island]

14685 HP. Fight ends at 11% HP.

[chrome reef]

So is this the channel to post tier lists?

[twin thistle]

if you want ig

[chrome reef]

Cool

I always post tier lists in game discords and then people get mad because im not right or smth

[high island]

Charon has 14685, I mean. Effectively. HP bar max is 16500, though.

[twin thistle]

mhm forgot to account for that

[high island]

Everybody always does.

Until I show up like...

[chrome reef]

huh. so how does one get image perms

Just talk a lot or

[high island]

https://tenor.com/view/madalena-uh-galavant-actually-in-reality-gif-16036406

[twin thistle]

you just link it

like that

[high island]

You don't.

[twin thistle]

embeds work

[grizzled barn]

imgur works, i believe

[chrome reef]

Huh

Usually it lets me post directly but maybe im just tired

[grizzled barn]

https://imgur.com/a/S9QlU1e

🤡

[twin thistle]

can also just post the image in a private discord server then copy and paste the link here

my really bad duo tier list i spent 5 minutes on https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/825862916561305643/906761549862014986/unknown.png

nyaa roast it

[lone kernel]

That many aphro that aren’t S, you’re crocodile food buddy

[high island]

You're doing a pretty good job at doing that yourself, though. I don't really need to waste energy on that.

[plush eagle]

7:29.07 Lernie let’s goooo

[lone kernel]

@twin thistle convince me that lightning rod is B tier

that ones closer to C in my book

ohterwise cant see anything glaringly bad about it

mirage could be S if beowulf, idk, thats a can of worms i dont have the brain cells for

and is cold fusion good? like whats the point

since zeus hits so fast

[high island]

Cold Fusion is amazing.

[lone kernel]

please elaborate

my brain was saying that zeus - fast attacks - reapply jolted real quick anyway so pointless boon

but i wanna learn why im wrong

so i can git gud moar

[twin thistle]

rapid attacking enemies mostly, like first of all jolted will just shred them in half a second. also you cant really keep attacking them

you have to dodge and you cant apply jolted during that time

[plush eagle]

ME DROPPED LET’S GOO

[lone kernel]

based

[open vapor]

I know that Supergiant typically moves from project to project after making a phenomenal game like this lol but will there be any DLC's going forward? I played this game a ton when it first dropped and off and on since but I'm newer to the community so don't know if they've been answered

[high island]

You're spending a lot more time not-attacking EM4 than attacking him with anything that has lightning. And just because Lightning Strike is optimal on aspects like Eris or Thunder Flourish on Zeus Aspect doesn't mean that you can be constantly attacking nor does it mean you can't take lightning boons on other aspects in other slots.

[twin thistle]

lightning rod is also really good with zeus builds since theyll apply jolted while sitting around and you dont care much about picking up bloodstones on zeus builds. its free and good damage

and double strike affects it too

[lone kernel]

always found those two underwhelming and purging pool food, but you do make excellent points

like do i purge cold fusion or wave of despair, idk thats tough

but maybe ill give it a chance

[high island]

Killing Freeze + Cold Fusion does some ridiculous damage to EM3 and EM4 when you're not even attacking. You can run from the fight and win.

[lone kernel]

based

[twin thistle]

its a lot cooler with fo2 and higher heat elysiums and em3/4

[lone kernel]

ah

that makes sense

i tend to avoid FO2 cause im bad at the game

[chrome reef]

https://imgur.com/a/KLTYe8G

[twin thistle]

avoiding it wont make you better

[lone kernel]

uh oh 🐊

aight let’s do Zeus 2

[plush eagle]

@high island okay, I have the option to take common true shot now and try to get that duo boon with an ares+Artemis chamber, but The opportunity cost is epic clean kill

[twin thistle]

duos dont drop from trial rooms

[plush eagle]

And since I have 4% crit already I feel like an extra 30% dmg to crits might be better here

[high island]

Calling Epic Clean Kill an opportunity cost is a bit of a stretch.

[plush eagle]

I feel like a common cast isn’t that great

70 base dmg

[high island]

True Shot is fine.

[twin thistle]

yeah clean kill is kinda meh

[lone kernel]

Actually gonna go Eris with fo2

[twin thistle]

especially when you aint getting a lot of crits

[lone kernel]

one step at a time lol

[plush eagle]

The other “option” is common hide breaker, if you can call it that lol

[high island]

Hide Breaker and Clean Kill are both boons that exist. That's about as much as I think about them.

[plush eagle]

So true shot and hope a future ares boon gives me the duo? I kept blood filled vial for ME so I can keep shooting for duos

[high island]

They're boons you just glance over to look for the boons you want.

[twin thistle]

what region is this?

[high island]

Deadly Reversal is from Lady Artemis and Lady Athena.

Just take True Shot, at least that does something.

[plush eagle]

I’m surprised clean kill isn’t considered good, especially in crit builds. In another common speed run game I play, Monster Hunter World, a skill called crit boost that essentially does the same thing is a must have on just about every weapon

[twin thistle]

well its +30% additive to crit damage im pretty sure

[plush eagle]

Damage numbers don’t get nearly as high in Hades tho so maybe that’s why

[twin thistle]

which is 300% of base to begin with

[plush eagle]

I forgot, Crits aren’t double in this game

Base crits are way better in Hades than most games

[calm zenith]

Honestly damage can get pretty ridiculous in Hades

[plush eagle]

So there are diminishing returns to adding a lil 30%

[plush lava]

Goddamn this game is so fun

[twin thistle]

heart rend just does way more

[calm zenith]

A consistent source of about 1000 damage is really good

You can do like 5000 damage without even heart rend

[plush eagle]

Pretty sure someone on TDS reached over 10k damage in a single hit on MHW Iceborne

[calm zenith]

You can do that in Hades

[plush eagle]

Well, I guess with certain calls, maybe that’s a thing in hades

Yeah

[calm zenith]

Nah man. Excalibur.

[plush eagle]

Plus it’s 300%

Crits hit harder naturally

Even with max crit boost you don’t get as big of a benefit from Crits in MH so I think that’s the deciding factor

[calm zenith]

Max damage I could calculate for its 3rd combo hit (200 base damage, probably the highest non call base damage in the game) is like 12k

[plush eagle]

The damage is actually relatively similar

It’s probably a must have in that game because Crits aren’t 300% by default

It’s a totally different game and genre but the principals of quick times apply very similarly

[calm zenith]

A lot of the absolute highest values also get snipped

By armor

You can have like +1000% dmg just vs armor

It barely matters

[plush eagle]

Armor is nonexistent on certain builds

[calm zenith]

Armor in Hades I mean

[high island]

The question is always whether it helps you reach damage breakpoints with fewer hits more reliably. Clean Kill does barely anything for that, and what little it does is outclassed by much stronger options.

[calm zenith]

On enemies

[plush eagle]

Yeah

That’s what I’m saying

Literally can 1shot armor easily with certain hammers

[calm zenith]

Yeah I prefer even Support Fire tbh

[high island]

Support Fire is great on some aspects.

[calm zenith]

Maybe not on Excalibur but most other weapons have a rapid damage option

Yeah

[plush eagle]

True, and this run I’ve made a point to actually use my cast to get used to it being on L1

I love support fire on Demeter

And maybe rail

But other than that I don’t think it’s all that good

[high island]

cries in Nighty Night Support Fire memories

[calm zenith]

Higher base damage?

Was it something ridiculous like 40?

[plush eagle]

Pre 1.0 meta?

[fair dove]

Omg mewmew

I can’t believe ur still here

After a year

[plush eagle]

I’m so glad she is 🥺

So helpful 😭

[fair dove]

People say Beowulf is good but low key I like chaos better

[high island]

lol not 40 base damage.

Used to have way better pom scaling.

[calm zenith]

Chaos is fun for bad influence stuff. I havent done much else and liked it

Applies the condition fast and efficiently enough for actual payoff with like charged shot

[high island]

Nighty Night was a patch in Early Access, yeah.

[plush eagle]

12:35.25 champions

NOOOO

[high island]

That's not a sub 15 pace.

[plush eagle]

I ACCIDENTALLY BROUGHT ARES KEEPSAKE

[high island]

lol

[plush eagle]

No acorn

At least im full health with 3 DDs

[twin thistle]

just kill dad

[high island]

Consider it practice.

Speedrunners rarely ever take Acorn anyway, and you want to be speedy.

[plush eagle]

Lmaooo I got deadly reversal

[high island]

Nice.

[twin thistle]

wait do you have ME even

[high island]

I thought he said he did? I only glanced over some messages. I've been up for 20 hours or something.

[plush eagle]

I GOT THE 2 SACK

[lone kernel]

based

[high island]

Based where?

[twin thistle]

now hope dad doesnt insta darkness

[high island]

Whose base?

[lone kernel]

Crocodile base

[plush eagle]

14:06.77, I think this is my new record for fastest trip to daddy

[lone kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/feraligatr-croconaw-totodile-pokemon-pokemon-feraligatr-gif-19909909

[lone kernel]

schwerd

[high island]

Time to kill him in 53 seconds or less.

[calm zenith]

That's about 16 minutes I'd say

Too bad ME can't crit

[plush eagle]

AYEEEE

16:06:43

New record

[calm zenith]

Nice

[high island]

Doom can crit.

[plush eagle]

Also my first time on heat 4 or using EM

[calm zenith]

Doom can crit but can't the ME doom not?

[plush eagle]

This, I had a 5% for them to Crit

[plush eagle]

Is that how it works? That seems very unintuitive

[calm zenith]

Lots of stuff kinda is

A handful of things cannot crit

I dont see how ME would be an issue but lightning no longer is

[high island]

It just triggers immediately when you have ME, can still crit just fine.

[calm zenith]

I mean the 40 base damage it does on top of that

[high island]

Ah. No idea tbh, never paid attention to that.

[calm zenith]

Another unintuitive thing is that doom crits are 200%

Doom crits can still easily do over 1000 damage though

Curse of Longing just uses base doom damage right?

It couldnt potentially ramp with crits?

[high island]

Well, most people wouldn't even notice if crits are double or triple damage or whatever else anyway tbh.

[calm zenith]

Yeah

I never knew

[high island]

@plush eagle how many DDs did you have left?

And what level is your Demeter Aspect now?

[plush lava]

So what weapons do y'all prefer

Lmao

[high island]

Love.

[plush eagle]

2

[high island]

Love conquers everything.

[plush lava]

💀

[plush eagle]

It’s been maxed the past couple runs

[high island]

I see.

Be more aggressive vs Hades.

You know you can stand right on top of him when he does the 360 beams?

[plush eagle]

Yeah I started doing that but because of #1 I kept ending up in the beams and I didn’t want to just walk normally back to the middle during the beams so I panic dashed behind a pillar nearby

Still, I could have played more aggressively and lost a couple DDs

I played a bit safer that fight, utilizing my cast and dashing away from his big sweep

Mainly because I was scared from not having acorn with EM

What does EM1 do to Hades? It didn’t feel very different

[twin thistle]

need em4

em1 is only furies, em2 lernie, etc

[plush eagle]

Ahhhh, EM only affects one boss

That explains why Lernie still had the regular arena

I was kinda disappointed

I wanted to try the close up one

That means I can prob handle heat 6 or 8

[lone kernel]

Em2 is faster than regular lernie

[plush eagle]

Yeah

[twin thistle]

you can do td3 so add em2 and ez 9 heat

[plush eagle]

That’s why I wanted to try it because I had the makings of a great run already

[plush eagle]

Idk, maybe TD2 and EM4 would be easier for me

How much heat is that

I don’t fully trust myself to get sub 20 runs every time

[high island]

If you have a decent speedrun build, you can pretty much just ignore evasion and just kill him before he can kill you.

[plush eagle]

Maybe on 2 or 3 weapons

[twin thistle]

em4 would probably be a lot harder

[plush eagle]

EM3 then

[twin thistle]

prolly fine

[plush eagle]

Although I’ve never done EM3 yet

I’m a lil worried because I still sometimes die to Theseus, especially on unfamiliar weaps

[twin thistle]

some ppl say em3 is easier though id disagree

by a lot

[plush eagle]

What argument is there that it’s easier?

[high island]

If you want to practice for speedruns and higher heats.. EM2 FO2 TD3 is the way to go.

[plush eagle]

Don’t they have more armor and do more damage?

FO?

[twin thistle]

forced overtime

em2 speeds up the lernie fight since the heads are closer

[plush eagle]

Ahh

[twin thistle]

dont think it gives either lernie or furies more health

makes them more dangerous tho

em3 gives theseus more health tho

[plush eagle]

Yes, this I knew and I’ve been trying to have good times with the big arena for training so when I use EM2 it’s very fast

I’ll do it after this bow run, I still haven’t won heat 0 with the bow and only have a heat 1 win

Okay I’m going Hera, should I take epic heartbreak strike or rare crush shot first?

(The other option is common passion dash)

I know both are good with Hera

I think cast?

[twin thistle]

crush shot

[plush eagle]

But 90% extra attack damage is nice so I know it’s an option

[twin thistle]

you want to get poms on it

[plush eagle]

Good thinking

Is Ares any good with aphro Hera?

Like maybe curse of longing with doom attack?

But honestly heart rend with arty attack just sounds better

[calm zenith]

Em4 is never easy

Yeah

[plush eagle]

Yeah to what

Ares or heart rend?

[calm zenith]

Heart rend is better

[plush eagle]

Okay cool thanks

[twin thistle]

artemis also = fully loaded

[calm zenith]

I honestly think the best use of curse of longing would be vengeance boons

[twin thistle]

and mirage shot if you find poseidon

[calm zenith]

Like flurry shot + heart rend sounds pretty good

[lone kernel]

best use is purging it and buying something more useful

[twin thistle]

the correct answer

[lone kernel]

[plush eagle]

Okay so Aphrodite and Athena are beefing so aphro offered parting shot

In the shop

If I reroll is there the same chance as usual, or less or more than usual, if getting a different duo boon (namely, Artemis+aphro)?

I’m just gonna take parting shot

I got heart rend and deadly reversal offered in the shop lol I’ll take heart rend for sure

Level 8 rare crush shot

Make that level 9

277 base cast damage

[calm zenith]

Parting shot apparently works funny with phalanx shot

So you could take it

It at one point at least always backstabbed on hera

[idle cargo]

So ngl I just attempted EM4 dad for the first time

I did NOT think he got new attacks in his first two phases

Didn't even make it to phase 3 before he absolutely obliterated me

I bet if my boon rng was better I could've at least reached phase 3, but I likely wouldn't have won anyways

[full estuary]

I just lost a run to Hades on the Bow. It was due to a few factors, but part of it was I got a really unlucky nasty combo on the shade summoning where I got two elite archers who were near continuously firing so I couldn't get a shot off.

[calm zenith]

Em4? Eh you always have a chance to lose there kinda

It's a considerably harder and longer fight

[fair dove]

EM4 has cucked me so many times I rarely want to put it on anymore

It’s a good, challenging fight, but don’t u just hate it when you could’ve won the run if it hadn’t been EM4

[full estuary]

No, regular boss fight.

[mighty snow]

I'm straight paralyzed with an option I have right now. Vicious Cycle or Epic Impending Doom. I have both Engulfing Vortex AND Merciful End right now

Honestly, it might not matter at this point lol

[lone kernel]

em4 mad hard that’s the point

but it’s so satisfying when you win

I can generally tell when I have no chance when running it. Losing last second in a close one with guan yu still hurts me tho

[rough hazel]

God priapus in game when

[plush eagle]

Does rocket bomb work with Eres? No right?

I guess splash damage?

I’ll try it out

[chrome wharf]

Eris Cluster + Rocket bomb is 1 of the most broken builds

[plush eagle]

Oh wait it works

[plush eagle]

Oh I gotta try that

[chrome wharf]

point-blank special just vaporizes things

[plush eagle]

I have triple bomb instead

Next best thing

Lightning reflexes, heaven’s vengeance, or billowing strength?

Actually I’m going to reroll for vengeful mood

2/3 were the same lol

[calm zenith]

Most fun I've had was tempest cluster rockets

[plush eagle]

17:15.57 with the RAIL of all things. My 2nd best time ever.

[calm zenith]

Smashing enemies into barriers and pinballing them

[plush eagle]

Zeus + Poseidon stronk

[calm zenith]

Enough dps so lolposeidon doesnt matter

[plush eagle]

I had tempest rockets with triple rockets and it was extremely strong

Especially with sea storm

[calm zenith]

For some reason poseidon has one of the highest special damages but one of the lowest attack damages

[plush eagle]

His special and dash are insane together

[brisk trail]

hi what build to go with merciful end?

[raw herald]

Assuming you mean aspect and not build? Any aspect that can dash attack quickly will be good, so fists and sword come to mind first

[brisk trail]

oh yeah which aspect and weapon

ok yeah fists and sword

fists seems to be the weakest weapon for mr

me

[twin thistle]

nemesis sword then if you dont like fists

[brisk trail]

and

how to get duo boon again?

[runic parrot]

ME is from ares/athena attack/special

[brisk trail]

ya i know ares and athena

[runic parrot]

i recommend getting ares attack and athena special but then getting divine dash

[brisk trail]

but how to get it?

so ares attack and athena special then divine dash after getting the duo boons?

[runic parrot]

before

those are the prerequisites. you'll get the chance to get the duo boon after you get those two

[brisk trail]

ok, will try

[runic parrot]

duos have the same rarity chance as a legendary i think

[brisk trail]

ok

and last question

do i have to

get only ares and athena boons

to get the duo boon

[raw herald]

No

[runic parrot]

nope

you just have to either get ares attack - athena special or ares special - athena attack

[brisk trail]

ok thank you

[runic parrot]

(i recommend the former because it's a bit faster to apply doom with the attack)

[brisk trail]

and can i enter the athena/ares facing each other room

and I must choose one then the other one get angry but at the end he/she will give me the boon anyways

[twin thistle]

trial rooms dont give duos

doesnt matter which gods are in it

[brisk trail]

i know but does it disqualify me for the rest of the run

[twin thistle]

nope

[brisk trail]

ok thank you!

nice name and pic

un ananas

l'ananas

[twin thistle]

okey

[rapid forum]

playing hera bow with aphro cast and zeus call

tartarus choice, smoldering or parting shot?

[raw herald]

Smoldering

[twin thistle]

parting is obviously the superior choice

[rapid forum]

ok nvm

I picked parting shot

then got aphro again

and it has smoldering

[raw herald]

EZ

[twin thistle]

just get both

[rapid forum]

so I got smoldering and parting shot by tartarus

this is a fun run

[devout terrace]

[rapid forum]

Update: it went downhill from there

[devout terrace]

[rapid forum]

I didn't get snow burst

I got offered static discharge at styx but was greedy to get splitting bolt

rerolled with one dice

didn't get it

then realised there is a hermes boon at charon

I done goof

[fast willow]

whaaat? cold embrace and curse of drowning F tier? how could this be

though honestly why is sea storm B and not A

[gray apex]

hEaRtReND oP

[high island]

EM Furies are faster and have more HP.

[twin thistle]

wait really

heartrend is just A cuz of nemesis tbh

[high island]

Always Crush Shot.

[twin thistle]

tidal dash aint a prereq for seastorm which is annoying and it doesnt add as much dps compared to other stuff

[gray apex]

Are you telling me that Heartrend Rama isn’t op

[twin thistle]

i just start aphro on rama

tbh i dont see seastorm as something that can carry a run other than like tidal dash gilga

[gray apex]

Heartrend Chiron is really good aswell tbf

[twin thistle]

yeah great with chiron too

tbh even on tidal dash gilga like youre prolly pomming that dash to over 150 damage

[high island]

It's as bad as any tier list somebody made in 5 minutes.

[twin thistle]

[gray apex]

Lol

[high island]

But also some people spent hours on tier lists that are no better.

Of course, my tier lists are accurate.

[twin thistle]

a good tierlist wouldnt generalize this much

[fast willow]

clearly all aphrodite duos in S tier is the most accurate

[twin thistle]

s tier: aphro duos
then all other gods:

[high island]

You haven't clarified yet what factors determined rankings... nor what exactly you ranked.

For all we know, the only factor you considered is how many letters the duo dialogues have.

[devout terrace]

It used to be

Was too powerful on eris

Mirage is definitely S tier lol

Just because of the 100% damage interaction with beo

[twin thistle]

on beo

bugwulf

[devout terrace]

Its always in the back of my mind if im playing with casts

[slim marsh]

One trophy until the plat

[brisk trail]

what effect does charm have on bosses

[devout terrace]

Cancels their attack, forces them to cycle through a different one

You can exploit this to get away from an attack

Its usually just worth to use the max aphrodite call though, 2500 damage is insane

[brisk trail]

I had charm chance on weak

[high island]

Charm works the same on bosses as on any other enemy but for 1/3rd the duration.

[brisk trail]

I see

thanks!

It has been such a long time since I’ve played hades or been in this server

[brisk trail]

I am malding, was gonna win 32 heat for the first time but got 5 sacked on td3

[gray apex]

Rip

[brisk trail]

[gray apex]

You’ll get it eventually

[devout terrace]

[chrome wharf]

🇫

[rose dagger]

What are the good boon for cast build?

[last veldt]

I'd build a cast build around a weapon aspect first. Then think about the boons for that aspect.

Master Chaos does some useful cast bonuses regardless of weapon

Also there's #h1-builds-and-combat for this sort of thing

[slim cove]

Is Guan Yu even good?

[gray apex]

Yes

[brisk trail]

not as good as you

[gray apex]

Guan yu guide by Nyaanyaa: #h1-discussion message

[full nexus]

It's alright

[last veldt]

It's better than you think it's going to be.

[devout terrace]

Please level it up though

[gray apex]

and use high confidence

[devout terrace]

[mint coral]

i hate that emote

[gray apex]

It's blursed

[devout terrace]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/523766637757726722/879704313822314556/unknown.png

[gray apex]

Okay this is cursed

[wind pivot]

lol

[gray apex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/875371440684294175.gif?size=44

[devout terrace]

[devout terrace]

Yeah still have mixed feelings about this one

Dusa5Head

I should not have this much power

And yet

Do you feel fear

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/808499960794185752/840411214273970196/unknown.png

Theres more

[fast willow]

aww i lost my first 40 heat attempt to heroes :[

asterius is so strong with FO2 HL5

though i could have played way better

[mint coral]

once its revealed you can unlock the rest

no need to use titan blood

[fair dove]

why is the spear so underpowered

Seems like cast build on achilles is the only viable way to play spear

I hate how achilles buff is only FOUR attacks

Like bruh

People say hades spear is trash but low key I like it better than achilles

The gameplay at least

[mint coral]

spear is more hammer reliant if anything
achilles really wants flurry

or have fun with quick spin

[astral walrus]

yeah, that sucks

since base damage of attack on spear is low, it doesn't benefit much from +150%

but casts do

and from what i understand, the main reason people (speedrunners in particular) fancy achilles spear so much is because of the special itself

it's very fast

makes you a lot more mobile

lets you quickly get behind enemies for backstabs

and attack buff you don't care about that much, although it does help clearing small enemies

cast build is a different story

[raw herald]

It’s more so flurry jab

Raging rush can help your attacks especially if you go for Artemis attack, but if you use the Zeus build it’s less crucial

And of course it makes casts OP which stops Achilles from being a >50s dad fight weapon

[fair dove]

They need to just straight up increase spear’s base attack

It’s so underwhelming for a weapon with such a cool concept/move set

[brisk trail]

at least its not as bad as sword base atk

I wouldnt call it underpowered since its one of the fastest clearning weapons

[fair dove]

Who plays sword other than playing nemesis

Kek

[brisk trail]

yolo

[astral walrus]

achilles is already op

everything else is underwhelming, yeah

but generally i would call fists and sword underpowered, not spear

especially fists

[fair dove]

Fist seems good

I really like fist and I don’t think it’s below average

[fair dove]

Whenever I play it I just don’t do damage

[lone kernel]

just run splash dash and flurry jab

you win

easy game

[fair dove]

Flurry jab

Is it the 3 hit attack

Shorter range

[lone kernel]

no

serrated point

kinda weird boon

[fair dove]

What does splash dash and flurry jab do

[lone kernel]

i dont like things that nerf my movement lol

splash dash (poseidon dash) - knockback dash, hits hard

[fair dove]

Ah

[lone kernel]

flurry jab - hammer upgrade that allows you to go rapid fire attacks

throw a lil zeus on that

or whomever really

just raging rush, four jabs as you dash strike around, repeat

you can add casts to it too

artemis attack into meme beams or blade rift casts whichever shows up first

i love achilles spear lol

[fluid heart]

just run zag and get dodge from hermes boons and keepsake

ez win

[forest falcon]

Achilles cast builds are fun

Blizzard shor achilles

[silver crane]

I have nowhere else to write this, today is my birthday guys! I am getting a Hades print as a gift!

[coral meteor]

happy birthday! which one?

[silver crane]

Let me look up

[silver crane]

Hades 24" x 36" Poster

[lapis inlet]

Sword yeah but fists?

Fists are strong af

[devout terrace]

Every weapon sucks

[mint coral]

true

[lone kernel]

wish they had an axe

thanatos and asterius aspects

would be kinda based

aspect of joe pesci

aspect of harry potter

good one

[brisk trail]

aspect of guy fieri for the fists

[lone kernel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/710535209887465572/907704188954361947/65810461299__D4049BDE-2D4D-478D-A3B5-7E9180D675C6.jpg

[devout terrace]

lmaoooo

did you collect every single dio boon

[high island]

He only has 4 t1 boons + Call that aren't priority.

Lv.4 Trippy Flare is nice.

Oh that's on Beowulf.

[devout terrace]

or hera actually

since it gets trippy flare too

[lone kernel]

The purpose of this run was to try Artemis cast on beo. Had heart rend and got a bunch done with charged shield throw thing

I shoulda just dumped heartbreak strike and kept my splash dash, I lost on time but I had it (4 sacked)

I wanted splitting headache to go w my dio call, I had chaos four bloodstones and 79p cast buff. Splash dash was to just speedrun Styx

[devout terrace]

splash dash usually isnt too good on beowulf

[high island]

But it's showing an exchange for Hunter's Flare, hence Beowulf.

[devout terrace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/875858876942151682.gif?size=96

[lone kernel]

yeah it was beo

it was a goof run

i wanted to see if hunter flare was any good

[high island]

You see, but you do not observe.

[lone kernel]

cool

it was RNG loss

coulda had splitting headache

and done styx faster

oh well

back to poseidon

[high island]

I was referring to Ange1Man.

[lone kernel]

oh my bad

i was like, what

anywho

im over it

and splash dash on beo not good?

[devout terrace]

it can knock your foes away

which is bad when you're trying to stay close

to bull charge

in order to cast into them

[lone kernel]

Sudden rush, all gravy

[devout terrace]

its more manageable with charged shot

[lone kernel]

Like I didn’t have that problem but that’s probably why

Sudden rush

[devout terrace]

yeah that too

[lone kernel]

And next time it could screw me

[devout terrace]

tidal dash also just risky in dad since it breaks pots really easily

[lone kernel]

i also had breaking wave and ruptured

like it was doing damage

(i wasnt hitting as hard as normal w beo because of the stupid artemis cast)

[high island]

Rule of thumb is take Tempest Flourish instead of Tidal Dash to unlock Mirage Shot unless you have Charged Shot.

[lone kernel]

word. yeah i took aphro special and the charged shield throw. it was pretty based ngl

i remember you did like 55 with that and it was neat

[high island]

I did 52. But it still did +400% then.

It's still good but way weaker now.

[lone kernel]

it didnt win the run for me

but it was fun

im finding myself enjoying 28 heat coin purse starts and making it work way more enjoyable than pushing heat tho

[devout terrace]

thats fine, play how you want to

[high island]

High heat limits the viable builds and playstyles. Skill and luck can make up for some of it, but you have a lot more variety at lower heats for sure.

[hasty onyx]

guys is it possible to get upgrade hammers in asphodel?

[gray apex]

Yup

[hasty onyx]

should i roll 2 or 3 chambers to try and get it?

i rrally want a specific one

[gray apex]

If you already have a hammer then you cant get the second one is Aspho

[hasty onyx]

oh ok seems logical now

[gray apex]

Otherwise yea you could reroll if you feel like it

[hasty onyx]

yeah i guess i just have to wait for elysium

[calm zenith]

Charged shot enables a lot of stuff on beo

Like it can make Zeus cast work

The bolt cast comes at the end of your charge

Same with ares cast

[signal aspen]

What

[calm zenith]

Try it

[signal aspen]

No

Thunder flare is awful

[calm zenith]

Charged shot makes it work

[signal aspen]

It does like no damage

[signal aspen]

How

[calm zenith]

Because it does no damage because the aoe is messy

Charged shot controls the aoe

Do I need to test this again

[signal aspen]

[devout terrace]

thunder flare does not do cast damage

or benefit from any cast bonuses

[calm zenith]

Lmfao

[devout terrace]

like mirage shot, braids, chaos etc

[calm zenith]

Still made it work somehow.

I just went all Zeus

[devout terrace]

the only way you can scale is double strike

[raw herald]

And rd

[devout terrace]

yeah those things basically

[calm zenith]

Yeah I think that was my highest lvl double strike

[raw herald]

But double strike does a lot more than advertised

40% is actually approx 100%

[lone kernel]

Double strike super based

[raw herald]

For flare at least

[lone kernel]

Zeus call too

[calm zenith]

Like I'm not saying it's the best cast option and we just missed it

It just kinda works

[raw herald]

Nah not the call

[lone kernel]

Palpatine at the end of episode 9

[raw herald]

Flare, special and sea storm I think

[calm zenith]

It does the same thing to Ares cast. Instead of just shooting it out in front of you after a rush

It shoots out at the end of your charged shot

[chrome reef]

So whats yalls favorite call?

[devout terrace]

probably zeus or hades's

[gray apex]

Dio

[devout terrace]

posideon's can be really fun

[chrome reef]

Mine is Ares or Zeus

[devout terrace]

demeter and ares's are just so bad damage wise

[chrome reef]

I find Posiedons hard to control

[devout terrace]

try getting rip current with it

makes it longer and a ton more powerful

[gray apex]

Ride the wave

[devout terrace]

[lone kernel]

[chrome reef]

I need to try out the Hades one

[lone kernel]

yo best emoji of the week

Hades call pretty based

Proud bearing becomes A tier

[chrome reef]

Anyways

I had this tier list for boons in general

https://i.imgur.com/vehbDbyh.jpg

[gray apex]

welp

[devout terrace]

[astral walrus]

survivability isn't the issue for me, dps is

and demeter aspect offers best dps and still it feels much less powerful than any other fast aspects

[serene estuary]

I've found the aspect of Eris for the adament rail having a good dps output

[astral walrus]

yeah, many state that it is the best/fastest weapon in the game and that may be true