1150 approximately
#h1-discussion
twin thistle
ig helps if when you get poisoned you can pause to figure out where the curing wells are
zeus attack plus jolted isnt poop damage?
high island
Well, that's gonna change when you buy his boons.
high island
Buy the 450 boon first.
shadow quarry
idrk, i'm going for hades just for the titan blood to get the guan yu spear
strong ridge
then buy blood
shadow quarry
or any other 3 cost tbh
high island
Have some confidence. You can get some pretty decent damage with Eris and so many Lord Zeus boons.
shadow quarry
Have some confidence. You can get some pretty decent damage with Eris and so man...
you do not realise how bad i choke on hades consistently
twin thistle
tbh winning once gives access to a lot more titan blood
strong ridge
i mean low lvl eris is kinda meh
twin thistle
its still rail
strong ridge
ya
high island
Delta Chamber keeps your dash i-frames during Dash-Strikes, so that's really good.
shadow quarry
a god facetanking run was crushed by the all sides lazer
twin thistle
you need to practice dad fight anyways
high island
Low level Eris is still a better aspect than most other aspects in the game.
shadow quarry
and i dont have the willpower to not spend on anything
twin thistle
a god facetanking run was crushed by the all sides lazer
btw you can just hug him and the 360° lasers dont damage you if youre close enough
strong ridge
ya it’s not bad lol just the damage is a fair amt lower than higher lvl
shadow quarry
for 2 more runs
shadow quarry
btw you can just hug him and the 360° lasers dont damage you if youre close enou...
wait fr
strong ridge
still good thou it can take u real far
shadow quarry
how close is that
twin thistle
a single titan blood wont do much of anything tbh
twin thistle
how close is that
idk. like literally touching him
twin thistle
just dont cast while next to him
high island
you do not realise how bad i choke on hades consistently
Doesn't really matter when your damage is high enough that he just dies.
shadow quarry
idk. like literally touching him
like touching or inside
twin thistle
because the pushback from casting is enough to knock you into the lasers
strong ridge
we like the big big numbers
BIG
high island
Nice. Now buy the other one and let me know what boons he's offering.
strong ridge
twin thistle
bruh moment
strong ridge
zag when beams
high island
What are the other options?
high island
Do you have Double Strike or High Voltage yet?
shadow quarry
https://imgur.com/a/N0FucPT
i think i might just get hit by 4 different lazers
instead of dodging them
shadow quarry
Do you have Double Strike or High Voltage yet?
no
2 hammer
homing and delta chamber
high island
Take Storm Lightning. That will unlock his legendary.
high island
Storm Lightning is a prerequisite for Splitting Bolt.
shadow quarry
yeah but like
high island
Yes. We wanna try to get Splitting Bolt from him.
high island
You said there were two in the shop and one in a tunnel.
Lightning Strike > Storm Lightning > Splitting Bolt. That's three boons.
oak gull
i think i might just get hit by 4 different lazers
high risk, high reward
shadow quarry
nope, i bought both, and completed the tunnel
shadow quarry
high risk, high reward
very high risk, mediocre reward
oak gull
alternative is to read his move before he pulls it off and take cover behind a big rock
twin thistle
so what boons did you get from him?
shadow quarry
ima just stay away
twin thistle
which is?
shadow quarry
was pretty bad tho
cant check, inside the boon picking up thingy
i take the duo boon right?
high island
You can.
twin thistle
lightning rod?
high island
Probably Lightning Rod, yeah.
twin thistle
tbh you can just throw your bloodstones in the middle and just run around for 5 minutes and dad will have killed himself
with that
high island
Well. Definitely Lightning Rod.
gray apex
Rip Splitting Bolt
shadow quarry
pom health or delivery boob
high island
What?
twin thistle
hermes
shadow quarry
ppl seem to misspell boon a lot <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
intentional in my case
twin thistle
if you get hypersprint/greatest reflex from hermes thatll help alot
strong ridge
i love bon
shadow quarry
i really just did that
wait really? i thought the almighty hades would drop more than one titan blood
bright dome
i really just did that
Congrats!!
fast willow
i really just did that
nice
shadow quarry
beating him means you can access more anyways
wha
twin thistle
the first win = access to the pact of punishment
aka heat/difficulty system
which you can use to earn boss rewards again
so if you use it, thats already 6 more titan blood from the furies again
shadow quarry
wait i can beat the women and get le reward
twin thistle
yeah. but phrasing 
fast willow
"beat the women" you have to see how that sounds right
twin thistle
to get more than the 6 from the furies you still have to keep beating dad tho
shadow quarry
do i get contracter jobs for 2 diamonds
or do i trade it for the last titan blood needed for gyuan yu
and should i take it?
it sounds fun
but the shield sounds broken
how do i unlock it though
the shied aspect
fast willow
do i get contracter jobs for 2 diamonds
which contractor job
shadow quarry
which contractor job
the one that gives him more
fast willow
If you can try to get vanquishers keep
shadow quarry
what is that
fast willow
it gives gems each time you beat a boss
so it pays for itself after a few runs basically
twin thistle
dont trade diamonds for titan blood
twin thistle
the shied aspect
hidden aspect?
shadow quarry
hidden aspect?
yep
twin thistle
#h1-story-discussion pins
fast willow
also as a note guan yu is pretty hard to use at lv1 because it reduces you to 30% of your health
shadow quarry
also as a note guan yu is pretty hard to use at lv1 because it reduces you to 30...
yeah, but is it good
twin thistle
depends on how good you are not getting hit
shadow quarry
will it get me the titan blood needed for sacrifices other hidden aspects
twin thistle
you dont need to unlock guan yu for the other hidden aspects btw
just have the option to unlock it available
shadow quarry
depends on how good you are not getting hit
pretty good? idrk, i just want to know if it'll carry me through asphodel
ik that i dont need it
fast willow
yeah, but is it good
it's good If you get the specific hammer charged skewer, otherwise it's bad especially at aspect lv1
atleast imo
shadow quarry
should i take it tho, kuz im kinda bored with the regular spear
twin thistle
guan yu at lvl 1 puts you at 15 base hp
shadow quarry
gaming
twin thistle
frm experience i dont recommend it lvl 1
shadow quarry
meming is good, very troll
gray apex
From Experience, I don't recommend it as a starter weapon
bright dome
Is Charon really that hard or i just need to pratice a little more? I've tried to beat him 4 times and lost
marsh rivet
He's scaled for the end of runs, so he's quite hard in Tartarus. He hits about as hard as Dad and has about as much health lol
stray urchin
when on satyrs, can the sack drop on the two mini boss tunels?
twin thistle
when on satyrs, can the sack drop on the two mini boss tunels?
yes
it just cant drop in the first tunnel youre clearing
devout terrace
He's scaled for the end of runs, so he's quite hard in Tartarus. He hits about ...
he beats as hard as HL5 dad
but on HL0
the oar does 80 damage dude
thats nuts
bright dome
He's scaled for the end of runs, so he's quite hard in Tartarus. He hits about ...
Guess i'll wait until he appears on Elysium T-T maybe i'll have a chance
calm zenith
Succing 50 hp out of giant vermin by just spamming small spins 
So easy to just stunlock
high island
the oar does 80 damage dude
fallow yew
Pretty sure Burning Blood from the skulls causes it to deal 80
But yeah base damage should be 50
high island
Charon doesn't apply Boiling Blood.
twin thistle
devout terrace
high island
Spin base damage from Hades is 40.
twin thistle
heh
twin thistle
also how do you not take damage from charon on fo2
high island
twin thistle
fo2 on fists 
high island
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO9IHjumIIk&ab_channel=c_gu11 yolo
You're posting links too fast. 
devout terrace
high island
fo2 on fists <:shadeohboy:520448134590234651>
Krashercorr was one of the best Malphon players at the time. I actually learned the Dash-Strike > Special combo from him.
devout terrace
loud lintel
Picked up the game after not playing for a while
How I've missed seeing 4 digit crits from Arthur
calm zenith
5 digit crits
lone kernel
What’s the most damage that you could do with one attack, limited to any five boons of your choice 
gray apex
That's a tough question
gray apex
What’s the most damage that you could do with one attack, limited to any five bo...
Do hammers count
I can't think of anything at all lol
modern garnet
If you can shared suffering a bunch of enemies beforehand, you'd do an explosive shot aphrodite boon rama attack, the enemy is marked with hunters mark and gets critted, and then some chaos attack buffs
Oh and maybe heartrend idk
lone kernel
There’s way too many variables isn’t there haha
devout terrace
What’s the most damage that you could do with one attack, limited to any five bo...
Artemis attack rama, 120% dash strike chaos buff, hunter dash, Aphrodite special-heart rend
Those last 2 purely optional tbh
Oh and triple point blank hammers kinda good
chrome wharf
Fiery Presence and Priv Status, Sigil, turn on DC2, Hestia Heartbreak Strike + a non-damaging status, hit twice to remove hearts and apply weak + something else, 2 Chaos dash-strike boons, Hunter's dash, then dash-attack
oak gull
Is Charon really that hard or i just need to pratice a little more? I've tried t...
You need to be well aware of his moves and aware of how well you are doing. Sometimes you get lucky and get THE hammer for your strong aspect plus great boons halfway into Tartarus. Sometimes you don't. Anyway, taking him on early means you are going to spend more time whaling away at him. That's more chances of being hit. If your dodging game is good, you CAN do it.
calm zenith
What’s the most damage that you could do with one attack, limited to any five bo...
Excalibur: Aphro attack, Shadow Slash, PP, Heart Rend, Hunter's Mark
I didnt actually get heart rend on a run where I was doing 4500 damage crits on the final combo hit
You could swap out hunters mark for a chaos boon if you just want the highest potential. No reliable crits though.
lone kernel
I love that this theory craft debate has taken off
Beo flood deadly strike mirage pp breaking wave maybe?
mint coral
Why B.wave?
lone kernel
Probably not. (I’m not using chaos or hammer here)
Bad news
wait no Stygian
I bamboozled myself didn’t I
mint coral
Getting RD through plume and stacking a bunch of ichors seems like a stupid way to pass the 5 boons limit
high island
Excalibur: Aphro attack, Shadow Slash, PP, Heart Rend, Hunter's Mark
Pressure Points and Hunter's Mark don't increase damage, they just make it more likely. But if you just want the most damage in one attack, that's irrelevant.
modern garnet
You do need at least 1 crit likelihood increase to make crit possible
devout terrace
Beo flood deadly strike mirage pp breaking wave maybe?
Beo flood arti attack mirage shot hyper sprint epic rush delivery
high island
Well, Hunter's Mark on its own doesn't give you crit chance. You'd need Pressure Points, but not Hunter's Mark.
devout terrace
Final answer
lone kernel
Prob works
high island
Passion Flare, Mirage Shot, Shot, Shot, Pressure Points.
Actually no, Mirage Shot is two hits.
Passion Flare, Shot, Shot, Shot, Pressure Points.
Since Trippy Flare only does 2x damage when it crits... but the base damage and pom scaling is higher. Not sure which one would do more on a crit.
Don't have the time to do the math now.
marsh rivet
Artemis attack rama, 120% dash strike chaos buff, hunter dash, Aphrodite special...
I don't remember if Hunter Dash is a pre req for heart Rend (I doubt it) but if so you could swap for Heartbreak Strike and pressure points
halcyon girder
So uh I just found out in some Greek books is that Hades is Persephone uncle
And I think they still got married
marsh rivet
That's like, D-tier scandal by Greek Mythology standards lol
narrow hemlock
the important thing is acknowledging creation myths are generally Like That and it shouldnt still be a surprise, but also that it doesnt excuse it in modern retellings either
marsh rivet
Basically everyone is Zeus' niece or nephew
narrow hemlock
lets keep it clean
halcyon girder
Hm
narrow hemlock
this is an all ages server
thorny mirage
literally everyone in greek mythology is related
halcyon girder
Sorry
halcyon girder
literally everyone in greek mythology is related
Yep
halcyon girder
I wonder why the Greek heroes well almost all Greek heroes ends with the word eus
Theseus Perseus
And other kings
marsh rivet
They poked fun at it in one of the dialogue bits of the game, but in some myths Zag is actually Dionysus, and in some he's the child of Zeus and Persephone, when Zeus decided to get some by disguising himself as a serpent then "visiting" Persephone.
halcyon girder
Oh yeah he um that to Hades wife
But Hades did "visit" nyx but nyx was the one who first to did that
Like found Hades and demanded I think
What is zagrues the god of
marsh rivet
Talking back to Hades
halcyon girder
Probably the god of blood like they said because he literally out for blood to unlock weapons
marsh rivet
In Greek Mythology, being the "God of" something doesn't mean that's the only thing you can do. Most of the gods have pretty wide generic power and choose it express it in depending on their personalities and interests
halcyon girder
Yeah true like Athena the god of war and wisdom she can't be both gods but she can but then Ares becomes the god of war
But she is still kinda the god of war and wisdom
halcyon girder
Hm
Apollo and Artemis went out on a murderous rampage
Because one stupid woman bragged about she has many kids than
The goddese leto
Aka their Apollo and Artemis mother
Both of them didn't kill the woman I think they just killed their children Artemis killed the girls and Apollo killed the boys
Also the gods turned leto into a rock because she was too sad
And demanded to be not sad
thorny mirage
Probably the god of blood like they said because he literally out for blood to u...
‘S not the reason. Achilles surmises that his blood is red because he’s the god of blood, it kinda ties into his parental lineage, also achilles thinks that’s why than is so connected to zag
high island
Unhealthy Fixation. 
weary vector
whats a good beowulf build?
maiden jolt
Hades 2 
quiet lily
whats a good beowulf build?
Poseiden or Aphrodite cast, Chaos boons that give additional Casts, Artemis attack or special, with Poseiden cast, you can get Mirage Shot, which for some reason, the 2nd blast for this aspect is not at 30% damage, but the same damage, so effectively doubling the cast damage output.
High confidence and the Firey attack mirror options are both needed in order to oneshot amored witches in Asphodel.
weary vector
Poseiden or Aphrodite cast, Chaos boons that give additional Casts, Artemis atta...
thanks
twin thistle
though high confidence mostly for speedrunning. use fiery either way though
weary vector
ill try poseidon for rupture
quiet lily
Mirage Shot is a really good duo for the build, so it's easier to get with Poseiden cast, Aphrodite is a little bit more damage but a smaller area.
weary vector
though high confidence mostly for speedrunning. use fiery either way though
i dont really use high confidence except for shields
strong ridge
doesn’t poseidon legendary make it hit twice
weary vector
since i mostly use either poseidon aspect sword or hestia bestia rail
strong ridge
so it doesn’t help proc sea storm
mint coral
It procs it
quiet lily
my last run, I ended with Ares' legendary, and Artemis' two Duo boons that boost casts, Mirage Shot and Hunting Blades.
when it all comes together, it is amazing
twin thistle
seastorn just needs knockback
strong ridge
ya
twin thistle
seastorm tbh wont really be doing much danage compared to the floodshot though
strong ridge
i just thought kb was tied in with the dmg
calm zenith
Yeah sea storm only gets silly when you have like
strong ridge
maim is balls btw
calm zenith
Both rapid and hard hitting damage
Like tidal dash
you're basically mixing two different scaling damage types and getting the most out of them. Then add in rupture and jolted, and you can even privileged status just from dash
Rupture also does solid damage to moving bosses
Mostly the champions
Just dash past em3 theseus and he'll rip off 15% of his hp just moving around the arena
strong ridge
breathe towards em3 thessus and he falls over and pisses his pants
calm zenith
But he can also hit you with a rocket for like 48 damage
chrome wharf
which boon r u
slothful strike.
calm zenith
I'm dying lament
chrome wharf
dying lament is based
lone kernel
does a non Poseidon shield attack pop sea storm
calm zenith
I believe the wording on that is boons?
But some poseidon boons work on shield
Non attack augmented. Any attack boon.
Actually I think it does work on shield knockback
twin thistle
yeah pretty sure the innate knockback procs it
frigid dove
why is the charon fight so rare...
I only got it twice and both times I had a terrible run
modern garnet
it's got an 11% chance of spawning
but it only appears in shops in the middle of a biome
modern garnet
if you skip mid-shops all the time you have a 0% chance of seeing his bag
frigid dove
I do not
especially when I have an awesome run
I take all the shops
does the "To Charon's Credit" achievement have anything to do with the fight?
im assuming it does
twin thistle
aint it 22%
twin thistle
does the "To Charon's Credit" achievement have anything to do with the fight?
loyalty card? ye
fast willow
I believe the wording on that is boons?
wording on sea storm is actually "knocked away" or something and not "boons"
so it works with all knockback effects
grizzled barn
well boys... my 40 streak came to an end 
tried chiron bow again, got artemis special + aphro attack and heart rend, then got two daedalus hammers neither of which gave volley stuff D:
feels so bad having a pretty decent build going only to get undermined by RNGesus
high island
That's fine, Attack hammers can be pretty good, too.
grizzled barn
true but by that point i was well invested into chiron schtuffs. wasn't in the mentality to swap my playstyle by elysium :/
dont think there were many good options for attack hammers on the run anyways
high island
The Attack is also "Chiron schtuffs".
I find it quite unlikely that all six hammers options are bad. It's just inexperience with all the options you have and how to make the most of what you got. Don't worry, you'll get there.
grizzled barn
(from my memory) i got sniper shot, piercing volley, perfect shot, and triple shot
high island
Piercing Volley is decent enough, Triple Shot is amazing, Perfect Shot is pretty good.
grizzled barn
i did pick up piercing volley but it didn't seem to be working or, at least, have any noticeable effect for me in my run
i got perfect shot too, but that didn't feel like it did much in elysium unless they had hunters mark on them
high island
Piercing Volley makes quick work of Greatshields and Theseus, and the armor damage bonus is nice against any elites and minibosses.
grizzled barn
speaking of greatshields! i realized during that run how much i disliked them when playing bow hehe
those mf'ers would tokyo drift when i'd dash behind them
high island
You just gotta bait out their attack before you dash.
fast willow
how do you play ||hades' EM4 theme|| from the court music stand?
dusky wedge
I notice people like Haelian never took their gems after a boss fight anymore, ever? Any reasons for that? Or just because of time?
fast willow
I notice people like Haelian never took their gems after a boss fight anymore, e...
his save is maxed so he doesnt need the gems for anything
dusky wedge
So, just because of that? Because I have heard of lag issues due to lots of resources in hand
chrome wharf
how do you play ||hades' EM4 theme|| from the court music stand?
- get to phase 3
- buy from contractor (The Unseen Ones)
fast willow
- get to phase 3
- buy from contractor (The Unseen Ones)
oh ok i didnt realise that the theme counted as separate from "the god of the dead"
thanks
glossy turret
Is Hades in your top 5 games of all time?
Trying to see something^ anyone can answer
vapid narwhal
Close
chrome wharf
probably, since I play very few games
vapid narwhal
I'd still put Halo 2, Mass Effect 2, either Ori game, Ace Combat Zero and Batman Arkham City above it but it's close
chrome wharf
it's kinda hard to rank since different games are good in different aspects
stone surge
I like Enter The Gungeon
chrome wharf
Eris and Hestia are both good
stone surge
i'll get eris since i'm low on titan blood
dusky wedge
If 10min is the benchmark time for IGT speedruns, how many minutes it is for RTAs?
gray apex
If 10min is the benchmark time for IGT speedruns, how many minutes it is for RTA...
A good goal is to aim for Sub20 RTA
twin thistle
is a 10 min igt gunna be often over 20 min rta
vapid narwhal
pretty often, if they pause frequent enough to think
the current any heat IGT WR of 5m32s takes 22min RTA, for example
dusky wedge
A good goal is to aim for Sub20 RTA
Thanks!
That’s already sound hard just hearing it
gray apex
Well it's challenging, if you're actively trying to improve your RTA time you will get it in no time
Having a good IGT time doesn't necessarily mean that it's also fast RTA, there is a lot of pausing and thinking that you have to get rid of for RTA
Also transition rooms, story rooms etc..
fast willow
funny how speedrunners love or hate than depending on the speedrun category
and theres no inbetween
fast willow
Just play modded <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
modded lets you block than and always 2sack right
chrome wharf
I was just gonna grumble about how the enemies Than spawns are harder but then realized speedruns don't use much heat
gray apex
It blocks Than with the RTA ruleset only
If you're playing with the IGT ruleset it doesnt block him
And yes it allows to set the minimum and maximum number of tunnels needed for the sack
clever thicket
Can the erebus gate also have the guaranteed artemis? https://imgur.com/a/wTWsLgT
gray apex
They can
fast willow
the erebus gate is not guaranteed to have the keepsake god because you may be at a heat that doesnt allow you to take the gate
it can have it though
brisk trail
sheeesh first time beating hades 
the stress of hanging onto 7 hp
clever thicket
at the satyr tunnels, is there a visual queue that shows you which is the correct tunnel, or is it always just a guess?
gray apex
at the satyr tunnels, is there a visual queue that shows you which is the correc...
The first Tunnel is never the sack, that’s all there is to know, there is no visual hints
gray apex
No I mean the first tunnel you choose, doesn’t matter which one in terms of position
clever thicket
I wanna farm gems soon, what's the best way of doing that? My guess was start with poseidon keepsake, try and get the bonus% boon, enter any chaos gate I see and choose the bonus%one. Are there other things that can help me get gems or?
gray apex
I wanna farm gems soon, what's the best way of doing that? My guess was start wi...
Starting with Poseidon will offer you core boons, altho he becomes in your god pool there is no guarantee that you’ll get anything useful for farming because you could just see him once
Start with something for your build
Then take Poseidon into Asphodel
And check wells of Charon for Xions and yea look for Eclipse from Chaos
You can also buy gems from said well of charons
It’s a little amount but adds up across multiple runs
And if you havent done it already, buy the Contractor Upgrade that makes bosses drop Gemstones
clever thicket
And check wells of Charon for Xions and yea look for Eclipse from Chaos
can i get multiple chaos eclipse boons in the same run?
gray apex
Yes you can
clever thicket
nice
whole comet
the best way prolly is still beat a run quick like TD3 with contractor upgrade
clever thicket
td3?
whole comet
tight deadline 3, or in other words, try finish a successful run fast
clever thicket
ah
whole comet
u get 110 gems from a run from just bosses
so, if u can clear a run quick, you would get them fast
fish gives gems too sometimes if u trade them
last veldt
I wish the house contractor would occasionally offer a way to convert anything you have into gems or darkness. I have diamonds, Titan blood and Ambrosia piling up big time.
brisk trail
I wish the house contractor would occasionally offer a way to convert anything y...
this is after you have all the bounties and nothing to spend on?
clever thicket
how do i unlock the darkness sink thing?
brisk trail
how do i unlock the darkness sink thing?
what exactly are u referring to
clever thicket
I have no clue ;p. Remember a few people talking about it few weeks ago
its like a thing that takes a huge amount of darkness for a title?
idk
clever thicket
ive no clue
whole comet
oh u mean the title thing from resource director?
clever thicket
how do i unlock that
whole comet
Hades will eventually offer it
assuming u've cleared lots of run and always talk to Hades
brisk trail
Hey I just got the game, and I've been playing it for a little bit, I don't have the best motor functions. How fast do I have to be in the later game?
whole comet
lol speed is not a requirement
dusky wedge
You can take the game as slow as you want
brisk trail
only once you get the pact, for now you don't need to worry about speed
whole comet
but if u wanan do the tight deadline heat, it would be 36 min, 28 min, and 20 min
gray apex
Technically sub20 igt
whole comet
if u go over that, u will start take dmg overtime and eventually die
gray apex
Also #h1-for-new-players is spoiler free
whole comet
this is discussion, so...
brisk trail
Okay good, I have to temporarily use a laptop mouse on top of that wish me luck 🤞
bouldy wishes you well
last veldt
this is after you have all the bounties and nothing to spend on?
Yeah. I've only got options to spend gems, darkness and nectar. So everything else is piling up.
The resources director wants an occasional Titan blood or whatever, but that's it
green maple
lmao i started a run for doing the plume achievement
and i just ended up doing a blade rift run
last veldt
Gotta go fast!
brisk trail
The resources director wants an occasional Titan blood or whatever, but that's i...
yeah that's a probem with the meta-currency in this game
after all the rewards have been bought, they just sit there with nothing to do
last veldt
If I had everything I'd be fine with it. That 25k darkness won't farm itself though
green maple
never got to try a decent poseidon run, really wanna give it a try sometime
nimble crypt
hey
last veldt
Poseidon aspect or boons?
nimble crypt
im new
brisk trail
never got to try a decent poseidon run, really wanna give it a try sometime
try hera
nimble crypt
what is ur suggestion for new players
brisk trail
if you get the legendary it's so fun
green maple
hera?
last veldt
Head to #h1-for-new-players to avoid spoilers
green maple
LMAO I WAS ABOUT TO TYPE THAT
brisk trail
what is ur suggestion for new players
go to #h1-for-new-players lol
green maple
wait hera's the...
last veldt
If you don't mind spoilers, stay here and chat
green maple
dang i dont remember weapon names
green maple
oh the
gray apex
Bow
green maple
yeye
whole comet
yeah that's a probem with the meta-currency in this game
or maybe they did it on purpose
brisk trail
the one that loads casts into your bow
whole comet
so only the hardcore would grind it
whole comet
and only the few selected would actually have those final cosemtic rewards
last veldt
so only the hardcore would grind it
Yeah it's probably deliberate but means i don't get a dopamine hit for buying something new for ages
whole comet
feels like the hardcore would do that
where's those real money buy darkness offer eh?
last veldt
Please no
brisk trail
i had fun doing hera with dio's fog
broken combo
and if you get the legendary
😩
busted
green maple
mmm yes black out
last veldt
Scintillating Feast is good with double strike etc...
last veldt
Yeah
brisk trail
man, theory crafting all these builds is kinda depressing when you never get them in game :<
whole comet
i'm still surprised how u guys manage to memorize all those duo boons names and effects
brisk trail
after the hours i've put in this game... how could i forget?
last veldt
Those I can remember, pact names on the other hand
whole comet
well i still dunno how to spell out CP without looking up O_O
calitic... something XD
program?
last veldt
Ice wine on trippy shot also makes it land much faster. It's really good.
lone kernel
Calisthenics program
brisk trail
calissomething program
brisk trail
Calisthenics program
what he said
lone kernel
i'm still surprised how u guys manage to memorize all those duo boons names and ...
Yeah I’ve played 398 runs, sooner or later it comes together
last veldt
Hey, that's exactly 100 more than me
mint coral
well i still dunno how to spell out CP without looking up O_O
Ik the effect but almost always forget how to write it tbf
brisk trail
damn i'm still yet to get my centenial
lone kernel
sixth grade spelling bee runner up 
whole comet
feels like school would never use those words O_O
whole comet
i suppose that explains the extra stamina
lone kernel
ngl I’m a little tilted I didn’t win the spelling bee
thorny mirage
I mean, iirc poseidon or dio cast is better
whole comet
well, i guess the same concept
any other weapon could do better than that?
i think rail is close, but a bit rely on hammer upgrade
dusky wedge
Achilles?
thorny mirage
pretty sure beowulf is like, pretty amazing rn. Might be the best aspect rn, especially since mirage shot is bugged with it
thorny mirage
i think rail is close, but a bit rely on hammer upgrade
It really doesn’t
just put eris or hestia and watch every thing die
last veldt
I thought it did though
last veldt
I'm sure I checked the boon codex
mint coral
Anyone who can check the codex rn
thorny mirage
that’s real weird
last veldt
Same for ice wine I think
thorny mirage
bruh why
thorny mirage
the boon is basically the same tho
last veldt
Oh really? Good to know
mint coral
On beo/hera the explosion has a delay which is just pain
mint coral
On something like achilles is better bc shot has to travel the arc and ice wine deletes that
last veldt
Right
mint coral
But on beo/hera you already have cast on command
last veldt
I like ice wine on shot
mint coral
Also dmg bonus is only a commom cast dmg from chaos
spice hearth
scintillating feast is still available on Beo, it's one of my personal favorite duos on it
thorny mirage
Did you check the codex
spice hearth
no, i literally just did a run with it today, that's how I know hahah
strong ridge
i still don’t get how cold embrace made it into final game
it’s the stepchild of the duos
marsh rivet
I think that honor probably goes to Parting Shot lol
Cold Embrace's role was probably in development they quickly realized that Crystal Beam never actually hits anything by itself lol, so I guess they made a couple of duos to help with that
brisk trail
why does the most useless duo always get offered the most
like, no athena
i don't want stubborn roots for the 47th time
amber cloak
What's up with the 165mb update today? I got excited thinking there was more content but not seeing any info anywhere
gray apex
Minor bug fixes
lone kernel
i don't want stubborn roots for the 47th time
good news is Athena tier 2s are good
and bad duos still sell for 400 at your local purging pool
brisk trail
and bad duos still sell for 400 at your local purging pool
underworld customs fodder yes
thorny mirage
underworld customs fodder yes
Lightning rod be like
high island
Lightning Rod is great.
thorny mirage
I didn’t say it’s bad
high island
No.
fast willow
If I apply weak, rupture and chill?
still only 40%
thorny mirage
I’m saying if I have to customs and it’s offered, first thing I’ll sell
brisk trail
Lightning rod be like
rod disrespect >:(((
brisk trail
Hmmmm
Do you guys think hades will be on sale anytime soon on ps4?
I already bought it on my pc but I want to play it on ps4 since the PC version worked slow for me
marsh rivet
I don't think I've heard them make any promises in this regard but I'm not sure
brisk trail
I don't think I've heard them make any promises in this regard but I'm not sure
Would buy it immediatly if it's for sale for 15 or a 10
I'm really sorry that I don't want to buy it for full price even tho this game is a masterpiece
marsh rivet
I mean either way it's not an option haha, but yeah buying a game more than once is definitely above and beyond for supporting a company
lone kernel
I already bought it on my pc but I want to play it on ps4 since the PC version w...
My guess would be Black Friday maybe? But not sure thing
but it’s like $30 I think, not full price game
strong ridge
I'm really sorry that I don't want to buy it for full price even tho this game i...
mayb u can use a vpn to try and get lower prices on PS shop
brisk trail
mayb u can use a vpn to try and get lower prices on PS shop
Nahhhh I don't want to try things like that, it feels illegal
strong ridge
fair
lone kernel
mayb u can use a vpn to try and get lower prices on PS shop
please tell me more
i dont think it's illegal, i paid for the service
calm zenith
It's not really. They'd have to really spend a lot of money to sue you over that.
Worst they might try to charge you for the difference
I mean they are allowed to put a 1.5xconversion rate tax on games outside of the US
last veldt
There is something very satisfying about planting a blitz disc just where you know Theseus will stop to showboat the crowd.
Especially when it's got lightning and jolted on
fallow yew
Bruh. Just got offered 2 duos and a heroic from zeus
In the same one
Why they gotta tempt me
atomic relic
covert juniper
Bruh. Just got offered 2 duos and a heroic from zeus
That’s insane
fallow yew
I'll post my boons before I go to hades
Just in case I fail lol
But I have some interesting stuff
Got basically all the Poseidon knockback stuff including the legendary
Though unfortunately not the zeus/pos duo
celest shell
fallow yew
Ended a run with 5 duos/legendaries
Heart rend, Smoldering Air, Lightning Rod, Second Wave, and Mirage Shot
Not the best ones
But still strong
high vessel
Hello, i'm recently new to the game, and I can't see to figure out how to unlock the last weapon. Could anyone help me?
brisk trail
Hello, i'm recently new to the game, and I can't see to figure out how to unlock...
just get more keys i believe
or do you mean aspects?
high vessel
Not aspects, I just don't have the option to buy the weapon
I have all 5 other weapons, but I can't seem to even buy the 6th one.
brisk trail
the only way to unlock is is to get more chtonic keys, that's it really
high vessel
When I have all 6 weapons, I unlock aspects correct?
high vessel
Thanks, i've pretty much been doing runs, looked up on internet a bit and saw aspects and was confused at how I've never seen them xD
brisk trail
they change the game up so much
you'll have a blast i don't doubt
though you may want to hold off on certain aspects before you get more blood
some aspects suck really bad at level 1
high vessel
If you don't mind @brisk trail where do you upgrade the weapons?
strong ridge
in the aspect selection menu
high vessel
Which is where?
strong ridge
the weapon
high vessel
Google doesn't have that xd
strong ridge
click 2 time
high island
You need to have all weapons and then do one more run.
strong ridge
and that
fast axle
amber cloak
The sheer number of dialogue Nyx has is astounding. I've run out on everybody else like 20 runs ago but she's still consistently giving new dialogue
last veldt
I bet you haven't run out of everybody else.
How many runs do you have?
I got unique dialogue from Hypnos for my 300th run just now. And there was a conversation with Thanatos about trust that just popped up for the first time after about 280 runs.
amber cloak
There's still probably dialouge here and there I've still yet to see but I'm 120 runs in and consistently there's no dialogue prompts in the house after a run now (aside from Nyx)
Not saying I've run dry but definitely hitting the bottom of the well
last veldt
It does die down for sure, but you'll get whole new conversations every now and then.
Makes them feel special.
If you finish buying things for the lounge there's a bunch of responses you get from people about it
amber cloak
I mean I'm just impressed that the dialouge has lasted this long, must've been dozens of hours of dialogue which I can't think of any other game of this level (AA) with this much high quality VA content
last veldt
Maybe that was words not lines
There's all the little things that get muttered as he's out on a run too. Lots and lots of those.
It's just incredible. Apparently it's partly due to the lockdown delays where they had to put a bunch of stuff on hold so just kept writing/recording new dialogue.
marsh rivet
Darren Korb is such a chad lol. Composed the music, sang for Orpheus, VA'd for Zag, and also I think he was the only person in SGG who beat 32 heat during EA.
last veldt
Ha, didn't know about the heat thing
marsh rivet
Like, where does he find the time?
amber cloak
I think I heard somewhere that someone on the team has a crazy time like sub 15 (cant remember the number) or lower I think
I heard it in the IGN react to speedrunning vid
marsh rivet
That will vary on impressiveness depending on IGT and RTA. 15 IGT is a great time when you're towards the beginning but it's something pretty easily achieveable without doing anything special by just practicing mechanics.
15 RTA is just an amazing time period though, and yeah that's awesome if that's the case
brisk trail
Darren Korb is such a chad lol. Composed the music, sang for Orpheus, VA'd for ...
dont forget skelly
(why is there no skelly emote :<)
boyo
high island
Darren Korb is such a chad lol. Composed the music, sang for Orpheus, VA'd for ...
Darren Korb doing 32 Heat: "Come on, boyo. Hit me!"
high island
I think I heard somewhere that someone on the team has a crazy time like sub 15 ...
Don't remember if it was sub 15, but they were talking about Darren, too.
marsh rivet
wow lol. What a renaissance man
compact badger
I do remember that Darren has the record among the SGG staff, but I don't remember where I saw that 
Maybe one of the Noclips?
high island
That said, m 100% sure that of all the people who worked on Hades, Lady Aphrodite is the best Hades player.
compact badger
Ah. Then he had it during some early development stage
marsh rivet
I do remember that Darren has the record among the SGG staff, but I don't rememb...
They did several AMAs in this server on a special channel that no longer exists where they talked about it, but it could also have been in the noclips
high island
Most of the VAs are not SGG staff.
The channel you mean is #ask-supergiant. Still exists.
high island
I asked during a reddit AMA who had the highest heat run, though.
Or was it in #ask-supergiant... Anyway, I also asked Darren Korb in another AMA (definitely on reddit) if he wanted to try getting into high heat, and he said maybe but he was all about the statues (and he already got them).
compact badger
A certain Nyaanyaa Mewmew said,
Darren told me in the AMA the other day that his highest heat was 32.
And Amir said before that Darren did the highest heat.
#h1-high-heat-strategies message
Doesn't seem to be anything on #ask-supergiant ; that's from #h1-high-heat-strategies
high island
Yeah, that was in the reddit AMA then.
marsh rivet
That makes sense. Didn't know they did one on reddit, but yeah.
high island
@compact badger did you know that Lady Aphrodite also voiced Ti'zo? 
compact badger
I do! I'm in the Food Court already :P
high island
Good good.
compact badger
I swooned when she reworked her setup to include his plushie
high island
A true believer.
manic bobcat
literally who?
compact badger
That makes sense. Didn't know they did one on reddit, but yeah.
So back on topic, I think they made it when they released the Switch version
high island
Ohhh, you're amberic. Incognito.
compact badger
Someone has to paint the Hades channels pink while SomeNoobDying is busy dying after all 
young trench
I do remember that Darren has the record among the SGG staff, but I don't rememb...
Believe they also mentioned it while reacting to a fresh file run in a YT video 
barren ocean
is the Thanatos bug well known
i just had a room with him where he floated back and forth for a full 5-6 seconds
and did nothing
and then put the heart down at the middle of the room
brisk trail
and then put the heart down at the middle of the room
lmfaooooo
is there a vid of this somewhere?
modern garnet
thanatos has trouble pathing sometimes ime
stray shore
Hey everyone , I'm new here
I just got a 161 MB update for Hades out of nowhere, any idea what it's for
mint coral
If there isnt patch notes is mainly bug fixes @stray shore
stray shore
ah, thanks anyway
barren ocean
is there a vid of this somewhere?
i wish i had a recording lol
halcyon girder
Why I was pinged here
desert tangle
i need only 10 more achivements in hades, should i go for em? as of rn i havent touched the game in a long time
barren ocean
which ones?
oak gust
just got a lite recently and debating also getting the switch port of Hades lol
brisk trail
just got a lite recently and debating also getting the switch port of Hades lol
do
it has crosssaves to pc too
oak gust
I mean if I get the switch port I will most likely start from scratch
for steam I already have 300+ hours and pretty much 100% it
high island
i just had a room with him where he floated back and forth for a full 5-6 second...
Yeah, that's a known bug.
shadow quarry
what hidden aspect is the best for someone who just beat hades
high island
Excalibur, Beowulf, Rama, and Guan Yu are the most popular, I would say.
shadow quarry
also, i've heard that beowulf is incredibly strong
calm zenith
Its stronger than hera bow damage wise but also a shield
Just slower on charge, but because it's safe it matters less
And there is the fast rush hammer
shadow quarry
should i wait until i get a non meme secret aspect or should i just get guan yu since i'll get all eventually
full nexus
Guan Yu is the prerequisite to all hidden aspects
twin thistle
though you dont actually have to spend the blood to unlock it
high island
Guan Yu is a lot of fun.
high island
15 if you want to max it.
shadow quarry
ok, what mirror should i have
just restarted the mirror
yk, using a key
5.1k dankness
rapid forum
https://imgur.com/KqnSEhb
You won't get damaged when you interact with ut
shadow quarry
winged serpent or the sturdy charge one
shadow quarry
guan yu spinny thing flies longer
rapid forum
I'd pick that, quick spin would be better imo
full nexus
Winged serpent is probably the worst you could pick up
shadow quarry
or separated point
shadow quarry
okay, there was a choice of zeus and chaos
i took chaos kuz i have their keepsake
and i get lunge
+70% dash strike damage
silk rain
has anyone seen Hades go above 30% discount on steam
shadow quarry
okay, i remembered that the cerberus keepsake bypassed the minus in health of cursed slash, maybe it'll work
silk rain
has anyone seen Hades go above 30% discount on steam
chrome wharf
ok, what mirror should i have
everything purple except for 4th last, 3rd last, and last
shadow quarry
can phalanx shot give ME
raw herald
No
shadow quarry
dam
twin thistle
only attack and spesh
silk rain
has anyone seen Hades go above 30% discount on steam
round turret
I think 30% is the highest so far
silk rain
do u think it will be cheaper on charismas?
silk rain
I think 30% is the highest so far
do u think it will be cheaper on charismas?
round turret
Um
twin thistle
30% off is already a great deal
high island
round turret
yeah
high island
–30% has been the best deal yet.
high island
Only the two most recent discounts have been 30%, the others were 20%.
runic dew
I'm not sure if anyone has suggested this before, but is there any chance we could get a feature where you can bank money with Charon at the end before the final boss? I hate having money left over, and I think it would smooth progression for buying the expensive items over 1000 gold at the end, or maybe just give the option of a bump to be able to get at least one of the items in the store that you want.
twin thistle
I'm not sure if anyone has suggested this before, but is there any chance we cou...
nope not happening
round turret
I'm not sure if anyone has suggested this before, but is there any chance we cou...
Just don’t spend any money until the last shop and you will have plenty
I recently realized to do that
lol
high island
There are no more patches happening. If there are any big DLC plans or anything of the sort, there have been no announcements or indications thereof.
runic dew
What I mean is that when the expensive stuff doesn't spawn you can end up buying everything and have money left over.
high island
All indications have been that they're done developing any content for Hades or making any changes to the existing game.
round turret
doesn’t the expensive stuff always spawn?
high island
There's always a Diamond or a Titan Blood, yes.
twin thistle
theres a bit of variability with the total amount but like a diamond is only 200 less gold
tropic arrow
You won't get damaged when you interact with ut
Yeah figured
But you will if you're fishing...
I got killed once fishing in the lava
Just stood slightly off the land
shadow quarry
ok, i got to the locked heart on dusa, but i already did that, and it hasnt shown up yet
or is it the minor prophecy thingy for rennovating the lounge
shadow kernel
The end of on the coast hits so different
lime ivy
Do i get a diamond for every time i beat bone hydra?
twin thistle
Do i get a diamond for every time i beat bone hydra?
only first time for each weapon then you need to get a clear
same for all other bosses
and their rewards
brisk trail
What can the Diamonds do?
twin thistle
What can the Diamonds do?
certain contractor upgrades
twin thistle
well the healing and damage is the same either way aint it
whole comet
i suppose depends on the heat set up
twin thistle
though i wouldnt really be relying on guan yu healing to begin with
whole comet
like if you have HL5 and lvl 1, you practically would die in 1 hit all the time, right?
whole comet
still, at least i think i would always take the faster spin upgrade just for safety
twin thistle
the spin is gud dmg and crowd control tbh
imagine guan yu without the huge health penalty
meanwhile sg thinks that 10% extra damage taken on beo is enough to even matter
whole comet
kinda just like the life-steal upgrade with sword
they prolly worry it would be broken
high island
Any tips yo using it
I wrote a guide for it. #h1-discussion message
high island
twin thistle
well its dire misfortune
whole comet
well, hangover or frost seems to stack fast
never get to use on DM yet though
on boss anyway
twin thistle
the base damage is pretty good so just seems like a waste
i just dont really use the spin on bosses other than during immune phase
high island
If you have Curse of Agony, just do Merciful End.
twin thistle
yeah merciful end just makes dire misfortune builds pointless
halcyon girder
Can you get a tie in one of Thanatos encounters?
whole comet
yeah, and u still get a heart
whole comet
lol it is Than
feels like he just wanna help u, so a draw means he does not win, and fine to reward u
fast willow
why does athena hate me when i try for merciful end
6 athena boons (including rerolls) and she never offered me the special
umbral badger
I wrote a guide for it. <:courte5AphroHeart:851568347346894908> <:courte5DusaBon...
Thanks 🤘
high vessel
6 athena boons (including rerolls) and she never offered me the special <:shadeg...
Rip. I got 7 Dionysus in one run, worst god imo. Felt really bad
fast willow
https://imgur.com/DeQxAZG
oof
twin thistle
lmao
twin thistle
not even just for core boons in tart and aspho
whole comet
no, at the time i was just doing 32 heat with the easier pact, so just coin purse
well, 32 heat and the bounty heat requirement
twin thistle
tbh merciful end is pretty hard to just randomly get
since its boon prereqs are so stringent
whole comet
not even just for core boons in tart and aspho <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
oh i used coin purse and green coin perk to grind coin for blood/diamond 95%+ of the run
fast willow
i wish atleast phalanx shot also enabled ME
i get that having divine dash be a prerequisite is OP
twin thistle
ME beowulf
whole comet
it is weird that it gotta be so specific
when all atks could've deflected
some duo boons gotta with cast, and need specific cast, i get that
brisk trail
Best weapon ?
whole comet
Rama's with artemis atk my personal favorite
twin thistle
the answer is whatever weapon you do best with
umbral badger
I've got almost like 20 ambrosia should I just make it into titan blood
I've mazed out 2 relationships
Maxed
whole comet
and the companions?
umbral badger
Nah I've got 2 companions I think
whole comet
i mean, did u max out those u used?
whole comet
if u completely finish off the bounties, u would get more ambrosia than u need to buy everythings in game, including all cosemitc
and sometimes fishes give ambrosia too
i believe roughly 30-40 extra ambrosia
if u dun plan to unlock everything, i guess u could go for it
wonder if some people would think TD3 is actually too much time...
signal aspen
Best weapon ?
All of them
fast willow
wonder if some people would think TD3 is actually too much time...
speedrunners
spare tiger
Those speedrunners are insane
Sometimes i find myself strapped for time on TD2
Not often luckily
gray apex
Yea if you’re speedrunning then TD3 is way more time than you need, but even when you become comfortable at 32-40-45 Heat, you could find yourself finishing much earlier than TD3
thin bramble
I don’t understand how they can get those 7-8 minute runs. Fastest I’ve ever done is 10 minutes flat
marsh rivet
That's really good though!
And it's a lot of practice and waiting for good room RNG and tons of late biome free rooms + 2 sack
If you can get 10 you can probably get between 8-9 with the same skill set and very good RNG
thin bramble
Rng is never on my side, I’ve done like 10 attempts at boonless runs and every single one of them ended because satyr sack rng and no purging pools in styx
dusky wedge
Based on my own experience, 10min alone is already a very good time, it’s already pretty hard to get, you can’t even consistently get it
rapid forum
Rng is never on my side, I’ve done like 10 attempts at boonless runs and every s...
That's where you're wrong, RNG is never on anyone's side. 
dusky wedge
Believe
gray apex
You can get 10 minutes consistently tho
dusky wedge
Well, I can’t
gray apex
Yea just saying with practice you'll be able to do it every time
brisk trail
Rng is on my side when I don't need it
nocturne ginkgo
hey uh a boonless run means you dont have any buffs whatsoever from the gods right
cause redacted keeps taunting me with that so i wanna do it but idk if that means no boons period or boons are ok for everything but the main actions like attack, special, cast, etc.
thorny mirage
boonless is no boons
try to get away from using them, and purge any you get at pools
One of the only times you use sisyphus’s keepsake
nocturne ginkgo
chaos's boons are stuck to you right
thorny mirage
I believe those don’t count
nocturne ginkgo
alright, thanks
mint coral
Chaos/hammers (not sure for hammers) dont count yeah
high island
hey uh a boonless run means you dont have any buffs whatsoever from the gods rig...
For the 100% Olympian-Free run clear message, you need to have no purgeable boons at the end of the run (meaning any boons that are unpurgeable are fine).
For the boonless leaderboard if you want to submit your run to that, you may not benefit from any boon in your run. Meaning if you get a Special boon, for example, you may not use your Special. Purging boons is allowed but not required.
thorny mirage
does chaos count for that
high island
Master Chaos's boons are unpurgeable, so they're fine for the run clear message. They're also fine on the boonless leaderboard if you don't benefit from the boon in your run. (Although, it's typically better not to risk it since you can't purge those boons.)
nocturne ginkgo
For the *100% Olympian-Free* run clear message, you need to have no purgeable bo...
uhhh....i just want to see redacted say his lines related to me coming at him with no boons
cause the man's taunted me 3 times over it now
high island
Yeah, that's the same requirements as the 100% Olympian-Free run clear message.
gray apex
uhhh....i just want to see redacted say his lines related to me coming at him wi...
Do it
nocturne ginkgo
raising the sisyphus thingy now, gonna slap him across the face once its r3
thorny mirage
You can just say hades here
only place that might be a spoiler is #h1-for-new-players
nocturne ginkgo
aight, thanks
signal aspen
I don’t understand how they can get those 7-8 minute runs. Fastest I’ve ever don...
Speedrunning is easy just go faster
spare tiger
I don’t understand how they can get those 7-8 minute runs. Fastest I’ve ever don...
My best is like 16
livid iris
Hi im new here
brisk trail
Hi im new here
welcome
try to stick to #h1-for-new-players if you want to avoid spoilers
fading arch
I can get through the first areas in about 5 minutes each but once I get to Elysium my speed just drops. Any tips? Im at about 8 heat
manic bobcat
I can get through the first areas in about 5 minutes each but once I get to Elys...
that's pretty normal tbh. elysium is long with tankier/harder to kill enemies.
if you are playing with Tight Deadline, the best strategy is to rush Asphodel to save time for Elysium. you can also save at least 2 damage companion burst (Bouldy, Meg, Than, etc.) to get through the miniboss and boss fast.
fading arch
What’s the average completed run time? At any heat
manic bobcat
i dont think anyone have that stats
but if you want to talk fastest time that can be done consistently, 32 heat can be done at sub 20 consistently
fast willow
that's pretty normal tbh. elysium is long with tankier/harder to kill enemies.
i...
how do you get meg to consistently hit both heroes?
is there a guide or something for meg summons
manic bobcat
how do you get meg to consistently hit both heroes?
short answer: hold up and meg the moment you can start using summons aka right after the champs finishes their yapping
gray apex
how do you get meg to consistently hit both heroes?
I'm on KBM so I press W then Meg right away on Heroes
manic bobcat
that's it
fast willow
I'm on KBM so I press W then Meg right away on Heroes
oh sweet im on KBM too so that should work
manic bobcat
long answer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-Iovk-sbe8
