h1-discussion

[loud ruin]

do you have an ssd?

[marsh rivet]

Yeah

[high island]

I'd blame Nintendo for the frame drops before I blame SGG.

[loud ruin]

yeah exactly

[marsh rivet]

I'm not blaming anyone lol. It's just a matter of fact that I'd prefer to not be.

[high island]

Well, you should be. How else do we know whom to send hate mail?

[marsh rivet]

Cast a wide net

Mass send to all

[high island]

Fair.

[loud ruin]

wellll nintendo manages to make some visually and technically impressive games run peefectly on their limited hardware

then again they are a bigger company

[meager ridge]

how hard is it to get the epilogue

[whole comet]

And they just focus on one console

[high island]

Also, if you'd prefer to not be, I can arrange that.

[marsh rivet]

Wtf you just did

[meager ridge]

no i haven't

i've completed the main story

[marsh rivet]

Certainly you should be in a more experienced position than most people due to recency to tell us how hard is it to get the 10 run epilogue

[meager ridge]

i'm talking about family reunion

[high island]

10 runs isn't the epilogue.

[marsh rivet]

Oh probably looking at... a decent number of wins. You have to finish giving the gods nectar/ambrosia then see all the gods to get their specific message

It's kind of random and depends on how often you see/pick gods

[high island]

Actually, it's gonna be super easy, barely an inconvenience.

[full nexus]

It's easy if you just enjoy the game

and play runs

[spare tiger]

Some ask for Favors like Ares' 10000 kills and Hermes's 2x Charon kill

[whole comet]

Unlock the gods final heart could be a long grind

[marsh rivet]

Hmm... I guess the 2x Charon kill is different than the x consecutive Charon kill prophecy? I don't have that on my hell mode save but I've def seen the family reunion

[meager ridge]

because everything in this game is rng-based

[high island]

You don't have to max affinity with every god.

[whole comet]

Those were fate list thing

[eternal marlin]

I think if you're mostly skipping Dialog the Epilog is not sth for you.

[whole comet]

Not needed

[high island]

Only monsters skip SGG dialogue.

[marsh rivet]

(implied: He also skips Lady Aphrodite dialogue. )

[meager ridge]

problem?

[marsh rivet]

Lol, some would think so. I'm neutral.

[chrome wharf]

2x Charon kill isn't the Hermes favor, it's talking to him with a maxed Lambent Plume

[full nexus]

apparently yes since several people are typing

[chrome wharf]

it's only ledgerdamayn

[marsh rivet]

I finished the story content twice now so I guess I'm also a filthy dialogue skipper now too.

[chrome wharf]

I wait till a phrase is done to skip

[marsh rivet]

I still listen to Theseus' taunts

[meager ridge]

i give up, i'm not getting the epilogue

[full nexus]

BROTHERS IN DEATH

[meager ridge]

i'll decide my rating of the game after i wash up

[full nexus]

I'm washed up and I have yet to rate the game

[marsh rivet]

420/10 would play again

[whole comet]

How would u rate it out of 10?

U prolly have at least a range, right?

[chrome wharf]

quite good! / 10

[marsh rivet]

"can't pet the dog in Styx. 2/10"

[chrome wharf]

7.8/10, too much lava

[polar marsh]

99/10 would run again :p

[meager ridge]

i'm back

and honestly

i have mixed opinions

i'm still deciding on the ?/10 rating

[lone kernel]

420/69

my rating

[meager ridge]

hahaha

the sex and weed number

please laugh

[lone kernel]

funi number

Also super based game

[brisk trail]

Hey are there special conditions to trigger Mom giving epilogue quest?

[meager ridge]

turn based rpgs when they meet turn cringe rpgs

[twin thistle]

reached credits ->

||Six of the following are required:

Zeus at 7 hearts
Poseidon at 7 hearts
Athena at 7 hearts
Aphrodite at 7 hearts
Artemis at 7 hearts
Ares at 7 hearts
Dionysus at 7 hearts
Hermes at 8 hearts
Demeter at 6 hearts||

[high island]

How is reached credits greater than that?

[cloud apex]

It is an arrow I assume

-> yknow

[twin thistle]

see its an ->

[meager ridge]

still thinking about my rating

[chrome wharf]

based on their post in story disc, they already got to that point and have the prophecy for that, they're stuck on getting the second proph to talk to everyone again

[brisk trail]

Done those, still no quest

[high island]

Minus greater than?

All I see is a syntax error.

[dusky wedge]

—>

[high island]

→

[twin thistle]

https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Epilogue_Guide well ig just keep trying to get the dialogue requirements

[high island]

That's an actual arrow.

[chrome wharf]

some of us don't have the power to manifest other ascii characters not already on the keyboard

[dusky wedge]

I’m gonna need a better phone

[chrome wharf]

also everything here is comments, so no syntax error

[high island]

It's just alt+26, why wouldn't you know somethinig like that smh.

A syntax error that's supposed to be an arrow.

A syntax arrow.

[chrome wharf]

[dusky wedge]

Now that is a dad joke if I know one

Oh, no actual Hades emote

[chrome wharf]

it's nitro locked

someone rich help pls

[dusky wedge]

Ahh

[chrome wharf]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hades_gamepedia_en/images/1/11/Hades-bond-forged.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/500?cb=20201129190231

this will do for now

[brisk trail]

I've just learned I don't have the "queen's plan" prophecy

[dusky wedge]

Looking through #h1-victory-boasting , I noticed that low heat runs are full of boons and upgrades and all that, while high heat runs, sometimes barely even has as many boons

[twin thistle]

well at high heat you have UC and maybe AP

[marsh rivet]

There are a lot of pacts that affect your total boon economy. Convenience Fee makes things expensive, Underworld Customs forces you to sell one per biome, Routine Inspection gets rid of starting gold, reduces your chance of getting gold/boon rooms, and removes rerolls

[brisk trail]

Question: does bringing persephone back instantly give you queen's plan quest?

The quest that wants to befriend olympians

[chrome wharf]

the convo with Hades in the garden is supposed to give you that

[brisk trail]

well it didn't

so what, game bug?

[chrome wharf]

seems to be

[brisk trail]

ffs

[void vigil]

there are multiple conversations in the garden

[marsh rivet]

The game queues dialogue oddly sometimes

If you haven't exhausted x dialogue options sometimes quests can be postponed

[void vigil]

also, if you think your game is bugged, you can message in #h1-tech-support

[lone kernel]

Nope. Gotta make it rain more nectar and brosias

[chrome wharf]

maybe you're gated by one of the other convos? like with Zeus and Demeter

[brisk trail]

Pretty sure already finished all convo's

I did plenty of zeus andd emeter runs to get Zeus last favor heart thing

[dusky wedge]

Would you say that low heat runs are carried with boons, and high heat runs are carried with pure skills, then?

[marsh rivet]

Lol, e.g. when I rerolled on Hell Mode I don't think Achilles told me about secret aspects until like 50 runs in because I kept winning runs and completing other subquests and he always had something to say about that stuff.

[chrome wharf]

that's what The Queen's Plan's task is, not the requirement

[whole comet]

hmmm it's more like

the higher heat u progress, the less OP u can become,

[brisk trail]

Got all gods maxed, except Demeter, missing 1 star( epilogue )

[dusky wedge]

Obviously, I didn’t really mean that, but, of course, it’s a nice thing to talk about lol

[twin thistle]

you can still make really strong builds under 50 heat

having less boons can also be a benefit

because you can focus poms

[whole comet]

the pact ultimately does 2 things

increase enemy power or decrease player power

u gotta keep picking those that decrease ur power eventually

and prolly not as fun for people, i guess

[chrome wharf]

idk at this point, though the answer to things like these is usually dialogue RNG, and sometimes a bug

[marsh rivet]

Lol I get you're joking, but for... most people I'd say, there's going to be a breakpoint at which RNG allows you to do a heat breakpoint you weren't capable of doing before. So basically getting carried. Over time you need less luck, then you can do it with mostly skill.

[chrome wharf]

it's like how Patty carried my first few 32s

[marsh rivet]

E.g. for 50 heat, my blanket advice for people is don't even bother trying until your mental framing for 45 heat goes from "I have to get lucky to beat this" to "I would have be pretty unlucky to not beat this"

[brisk trail]

lol ok thx for help

[whole comet]

lol maybe someone could write down list of "unlucky" situation in 50+ that could almost guarantee to kill ur run

[marsh rivet]

lol, would need a couple of hours

[whole comet]

i say BP2 Elysium could be one

[meager ridge]

ok i think i've figured out my rating for this game

[dusky wedge]

That’s pretty good, ngl

[high island]

Doing 55+ and not being one of a handful of specific people is an unlucky situation is almost guaranteed to get you killed.

[meager ridge]

5.5/10

honestly

since i've finished the main story, i'm going to leave

i only really joined here for advice when playing this game

goodbye

[marsh rivet]

alright see you tomorrow

[twin thistle]

lmao

[whole comet]

tbf

i did see people giving up the game after 1st Hades

[dusky wedge]

Well, as Hitchhikers said it, goodbye and thanks for all the fish

[twin thistle]

would be hilarious if he came back complaining about 32 heat

[whole comet]

so kinda expect all kinda people to play Hades

all good for SGG of course

assuming they don't pirate

[oak gull]

Apropos the mention of odd quest delays. I am not getting the autograph for hypnos quest.

I have pretty much done all of 'em.

Done with the epilogue and everything.

[dusky wedge]

Strangely enough, I can’t get enough of Hades, even after trying most, if not all kinds of combos and what not

[twin thistle]

have you been getting killed by asterius and theseus and having hypnos comment on it?

[marsh rivet]

Lol, there are other pathways to 50 obviously, but it's unfortunate to see people bash their heads against 50 when their mechanics would basically require literal IRL blessing from RNGzeus to finish it, then complain that the game is too RNG based

[dusky wedge]

The combat keeps getting me back into it

[oak gull]

Nooo~, I haven't really been getting killed by them for a while.

[dusky wedge]

Just that fast-paced action is addicting, really

[whole comet]

"complain" XD

[twin thistle]

yeah you need to die at least 3 times to each of them of something

[whole comet]

well what can u say? they could lock u at 32 heat

[oak gull]

oh

[whole comet]

so u never experience 40+ heat

[oak gull]

that would explain it

[twin thistle]

think asterius first

[oak gull]

they aren't difficult to defeat at low heat, even with EM

[twin thistle]

ye

[dusky wedge]

I would really need to put my head into high heat (and no God Mode lol) to really get into this lol

[marsh rivet]

It's iterative. We all struggled to complete 0 heat at some point

[dusky wedge]

But I really haven’t had the push to do it yet

[marsh rivet]

The game just makes it fun to keep pushing yourself by teeny tiny steps

[dusky wedge]

Or maybe it was fear all along

[whole comet]

i didn't even make it to Meg the very first play, not knowing armored units did not stagger lol

[pure karma]

It took me I think 4-5 runs to kill meg

[twin thistle]

lol my first run i was tryna parry everything with deflect attack

[marsh rivet]

Yeah it took me about 40 runs to get my first clear I think, though probably a lot of that was trying stuff at random to see what boons did.

[whole comet]

but thinking back, i think once i figure out, things get easier, and actually one shot Meg

[twin thistle]

didnt turn out well

[pure karma]

This game is pure mechanical skill

[whole comet]

i think took me 8-10 attempt first time i beat Hades

pretty sure i only fail Hades only once

[pure karma]

What? THat's insane lol

[chrome wharf]

Yeah I only naturally got it while collecting 32 heat clears

[whole comet]

one second, gonna check record room

[marsh rivet]

Nah, as much as people complain, a lot of the game is actually mitigating and taking advantage of RNG. It wouldn't be as fun otherwise if it was a purely mechanical skill game.

[twin thistle]

you can kinda carry yourself at low heat with purely game knowledge and setting up good builds

[marsh rivet]

Being RNG-based isn't implicitly negative lol

[pure karma]

Of all roguelikes I have played, this is the least RNG dependent

At least below certain heat

[marsh rivet]

Oh I totally agree

[pure karma]

I mean with AP2 and full RI it becomes a full RNG-fest

[marsh rivet]

Until you add specifically Tight Deadline 3, I firmly believe that every run is winnable. With some extremely narrow situations, like maybe Savior Numbskulls with Arthur if you don't have a damage dash

[oak gull]

At attempt 10 and 12, I was killed by the champions. At attempt 13, I got to Hades for the first time. 15 and 16 got me slain by the champions again. 17 and 18 by Hades. And from then onwards it is generally an escape broken now and again by Hades.

[whole comet]

https://imgur.com/wE7Qkli

[pure karma]

What I mean by mechanical skill is that even if you get terrible RNG you can pull through

[whole comet]

11 attempt, very first time on normal mode

[chrome wharf]

Lol mine was 44

[marsh rivet]

Mine was 37

[pure karma]

I did it at like, 50smth

I guess I suck

[chrome wharf]

then epilogue at 70

[twin thistle]

idk. 9

[chrome wharf]

Then my 3rd file hit credits at like, 15. With a rule that I add I heat item every time I win, no resetting

[marsh rivet]

See? Look at all these gaming prodigies. If my garbage butt can do 50 anyone can with practice

[high island]

That's cool, but how many runs did it take y'all to get your first WR?

[oak gull]

That is fairly normal, I think. The epilogue takes the right rng and farming the resources.

WR?

[chrome wharf]

nah 2hardcore4me

[high island]

World Record.

[chrome wharf]

Oh I meant getting credits sorry

[pure karma]

What WR?

[whole comet]

if that is a goal you wish to pursue

[high island]

Your first WR in Hades. Any.

[pure karma]

You missed my slight diss

[marsh rivet]

[high island]

I saw what you were doing. Nice try.

[pure karma]

Does WR for worst performance count?

[crisp relic]

i'm like at run 60 and am no where near the epilogue though like i've been focusing my nectar on than/meg/achilles&patroclus plus my general luck of i get one nectar a run if i'm lucky

[pure karma]

Don't think anyone has ever taken 50+ runs to win first time

[chrome wharf]

I was close

[pure karma]

I win then

[dusky wedge]

Uhhh

[marsh rivet]

I'm in 2nd place for longest 50 heat run on speedrun.com lmfao

[chrome wharf]

and could've easily done that if I didn't start taking the game seriously

[marsh rivet]

So close to ultimate mediocrity

[whole comet]

WR wise

[pure karma]

I have trouble doing 25 heat runs in hell mode

[whole comet]

unseed 64 is still chasable 😄

[pure karma]

On it

[twin thistle]

unseeded 63 too

[whole comet]

better hurry up and claim it b4 it's too late

oh right, i totally forgot 63

[marsh rivet]

get your NFT for 64 unseeeded

[pure karma]

Is a victory screen enough?

[whole comet]

prolly not

[twin thistle]

unseeded 63 is just 62 but with no dd's. ez

[whole comet]

at least, not if you wish to prove it to the world

[marsh rivet]

We're still waiting for that dude to come back from work to give us screenshots of his 3x 62 Malphon clears

[pure karma]

I was gonna attempt it, but if by some miracle I somehow manage and I am not recording, I will off myself

[chrome wharf]

If I ever ask about strats above 40 please chase me off lol

[full nexus]

Work hard Play hard

[whole comet]

3x?

[pure karma]

3 62 runs ?

[whole comet]

and with the fist???

[marsh rivet]

Someone was super nonchalant about doing 62 heat three times with Malphon, and promised to give us screens when got home from work... last year

[pure karma]

Maybe he works as a cruise captain

[full nexus]

The secret being HL4

[full nexus]

Pretty long damn cruise if you ask me

[high island]

Maybe he's still looking for a job.

[pure karma]

^

Where is pancake

[high island]

Eaten.

[chrome wharf]

in the high heat chat probs

[whole comet]

fate of food

[pure karma]

Pancakes get burnt at high heat

[whole comet]

oops, melon u might be in danger as well...

[pure karma]

his attempts are futile

[chrome wharf]

I have my skin and watery insides as a buffer

[full nexus]

Well that's accurate tbh

[chrome wharf]

hence.

[pure karma]

I just noticed your pfp is literally a melon

[chrome wharf]

yes

[whole comet]

halloween is coming

[pure karma]

I wonder what the next SG game will be

[whole comet]

so, any plans to add... eyes and mouth on top? XD

[pure karma]

Maybe it will be called Hel

[chrome wharf]

maybe I'll draw my OC in a melon hat

added to bottom of to-do list

[marsh rivet]

would that be 2 melons

[pure karma]

I mean, if you can do high heat without eyes, hands and a brain, imagine what you could do as a human

[alpine sierra]

"COME, DEMON, ATTACK WITH EVERYTHING YOU'VE GOT!"
chariot immediately explodes

EM Theseus is fun.

[marsh rivet]

Well, can't speak for brain, but Haelian did a blindfolded run with Wriste verbally telling him what to do

[whole comet]

oh right, one minus point for

HOW the hell i still got only 1 shade fan after beating him like 100 times???

[full nexus]

The only fan that counts

[marsh rivet]

They moderate your subreddit

[pure karma]

Why is Theseus even called the "champion" of Elysium

[whole comet]

that i understand, just like Pokemon champions

[pure karma]

He is more like the punching bag of Elysium

[marsh rivet]

Because he killed the demigod Asterius in the labyrinth... after Araidne gave him yarn cheats and after Asterius basically completely surrendered because he didn't want to fight

And Theseus felt bad for him so he cut off his head as mercy

[pure karma]

But I beat him

he is not the champion anymore

I am

[whole comet]

Thessus: Stop the lies

[full nexus]

Well stay in the arena idk

[pure karma]

I have literal video proof

[marsh rivet]

Yeah I think you DQ from champion of elysium since you keep leaving

[full nexus]

^

[pure karma]

He is leaving too

He disperses into thin air

[whole comet]

Thessus: Make whatever stories you want, you blackguard

[marsh rivet]

I can't unhear blaggerd

[full nexus]

He respawns right after among the shades

[pure karma]

Honestly

[spare tiger]

Y'know that's a good point

[whole comet]

Audiences: Cheers Thessus! (except one) O_O

[pure karma]

I wish EM3 was Achilles and Patroclus

[marsh rivet]

They hit for 1500 damage

Kinda op

[pure karma]

Meg hits for 2500

[marsh rivet]

She never uses that attack :3

Because she lurves you

[pure karma]

Proof she holds back when she is fighting Zagreus

she is such a sweetheart

[full nexus]

She does not I can tell you

Alecto does though

[pure karma]

Alecto is really hot

I dunno

[marsh rivet]

Dude, everyone knows that Alecto has a Helga Pataki style love shrine to Zag in her bedroom closet.

"... trash god"

[full nexus]

[pure karma]

"b -baka"

[whole comet]

Alecto the only sister that will emote flowers and heart lol

[marsh rivet]

I hear the Skylar Sisters song from Hamilton in my head whenever I think of the Furies. "Angelicaaaa, Eliiiiza, and MUUURRDEERRRERRR"

[pure karma]

Man I really wish there will be DLC

[whole comet]

eh, if a sequel is on the work, i'm fine

[pure karma]

Tisiphone: Murderer
Zagreus: I am NOT a murderer
Zagreus: Murders Tisiphone

[whole comet]

oh dw, no one dies in the underworld

[marsh rivet]

That's how they say hello

[lone kernel]

not happening, but would suggest mods

[whole comet]

i dun think mod can add extra fight though, right?

[pure karma]

I want new weapons and boons

I cant find any interesting mods

[marsh rivet]

I mean, there's already a fight selector, so you can teleport into any fight instantly to practice it with any build.

[full nexus]

Really

[marsh rivet]

I haven't used it but I thought there was? I was told to stop making practice saves because modders already solved the problem

[full nexus]

Omg

Never heard of it

[marsh rivet]

@pulsar crater pls

[pulsar crater]

for boss fights I use codex mod

[marsh rivet]

^

[full nexus]

Hm

I could really use such a mod

[high island]

There are some boons that don't work right with codex mod, though, so always keep that in mind.

[full nexus]

Testing various sets

[pure karma]

codex mod?

[pulsar crater]

it's mostly flares that are weird with it, but can't really blame pony for that

[marsh rivet]

Lol how dare modders not be able to fix Beowulf

[full nexus]

Do your job modders

[pure karma]

Beowulf has problems?

[marsh rivet]

problems per second

[pulsar crater]

it has a few bugs

[full nexus]

Only one or a hundred

[pure karma]

I really haven't noticed anything

Aside from the damage scaling on some casts

[marsh rivet]

it's because beowulf is ridiculous

so you don't notice as much when it's not working, because everything is too dead

[full nexus]

Pom scaling, mirage shot, cast shrinking what else

[marsh rivet]

iframes from casts

[full nexus]

Oh the iframes one

Yeah

[pure karma]

So if all the bugs are gone, it will be weaker?

[full nexus]

Honestly yeah lmao

[pulsar crater]

it would, yes

well not for super high heat

for super high heat it would actually be better

[marsh rivet]

Though people typically err more towards Passion Flare than Flood as of late so the Mirage Shot bug isn't quite as overwhelmingly represented as it once was

(for heat)

[whole comet]

btw, i always wanna ask

is Ahpro boon weak status that good?

[full nexus]

Weak is very good yeah

[whole comet]

or gotta have other boons to make it good, like do more dmg to weak units etc

[full nexus]

Mostly for high heat

[marsh rivet]

The primary advantage of weak is that it's also attached to the biggest raw damage buff

So there is no cost

lol

[full nexus]

Nah Aphrodite boons are good on their own

Weak is free exactly

[whole comet]

ic,

i tend to like Artemis the most for the crit

a bit gambling, but pay off most of the time

[marsh rivet]

To beat Aphro's raw damge, you'd need Artemis + external bonus damage sources (which are easy/hard to get depending on build). At baseline they're similar but Aphro is obv more consistent and has weak

[pure karma]

Weak is like 30% damage reduction on enemies isnt it?

Un buffed

[full nexus]

Artemis is good on crit weapons or if you have a high base damage

Also chaos scaling etc

Aphrodite will be like, always good with less efforts

[whole comet]

Rama 😄

[marsh rivet]

If you have a single good % bonus damage source then Artemis easily outscales Aphro, but yeah you need to have it

[marsh rivet]

I think Rama likes them about equally? Hunter Dash is the primary draw for Rama honestly. Deadly Strike is sick but the crit is mostly just for "teehee big numbers" since if you have good hammers, stuff is going to die regardless

Aphro gives you outs for Smoldering Air, which is fantastic especially if you don't have like, Drunken Flourish or whatever to help with call charge otherwise

[full nexus]

And pink attacks

Little hearts too

[whole comet]

eh, i kinda like blue and green more

and support fire, the most satisfying visual

[pure karma]

Blue

Rama with Poseidon attack

brb

[full nexus]

Tempest strike Rama pog

[pure karma]

Oh wait I don't have Rama

[whole comet]

well, i like Poseidon the most atm

the free gems/darkness 😄

i'm getting darkness at low rate atm

[marsh rivet]

Splash Dash is the best god

[high island]

I don't actually remember Flood Flare ever being more common at high heat than Passion Flare anyway.

Passion Flare is just so consistent.

Trippy Flare was popular for a time.

[whole comet]

but Passion Flare cannot be useful to all weapons, right?

[high island]

I guess they're doing Flood Flare for high heat speedruns probably? But they don't really care much about consistency for those, they'll just reset until they get what they want.

[whole comet]

only very good on very specific aspect

[mint coral]

i mean, passion flare is beowulf only so ofc

[whole comet]

or useless for like, sword or fist

[high island]

It's primarily good on the one aspect that can get it.

[pure karma]

I can't play Beowulf without Flood Flare

[marsh rivet]

I mean... it was? Lol, back when everyone was discovering Beo existed it was mono Flood Flares everywhere.

[high island]

Crush Shot is really good on Stygius. People are just scared off short-range Casts tbh, so they just never even try.

[marsh rivet]

I think your eyes typically tend to filter out things that aren't pink

[vagrant grove]

[whole comet]

well, there's not much u can do with melee cast and weapon if you have situation like

medusa head on the corner

[pure karma]

Oh sh-

[whole comet]

or those green statues in the middle empty area at Styx

[high island]

I mean it was popular for like a month or two or something for high heat? I dunno. At the start of 1.0, it was almost entirely Passion Flare and some Trippy Flare here and there, and Passion Flare has never been not popular on it.

Like when people found out about the Mirage Shot bug, there was some influx of Flood Flare. There really wasn't much before that.

[pure karma]

Flood Flare area is the best

[marsh rivet]

Yeah, it was only for a couple of months. Passion flare caught on as the people who played beo got better and had to start dealing with either AP2 or RI2 so Poseidon wouldn't work anymore

[pure karma]

Passion Flare is just too small

[high island]

Passion Flare caught on?

Huh?

[mint coral]

passion flare aoe is more than fine

unless you get the bug

[marsh rivet]

Lol the universe does exist in which people pick non Aphrodite boons

[high island]

There was one Beowulf main at high heat when 1.0 came out, and that was me, and the most popular Beowulf build was start into Smoldering Air... because people asked me, and that's what I told them to use.

[marsh rivet]

I'm suffocating in ego.

[high island]

That's not ego, that's just facts lol.

[pure karma]

For me it isn't. I always miss and hit nothing but air.

[whole comet]

what's the tier 1 for Beo cast ? Aphro and Poseidon?

[marsh rivet]

Trippy is great with a huge high roll (very low chance). Poseidon is great with a medium high roll chance, Aphro is great with just the cast + poms

[whole comet]

ah right, Dio is good tooo

[high island]

After 1.0, Wriste13 started grinding Beowulf in speedruns, so a lot of people started looking to him for advice, too. And Flood Flare didn't see any massive popularity until people discovered the Mirage Shot bug.

It was still used, but people didn't really know how broken it could be because they thought Mirage Shot was just 30%.

[chrome wharf]

done

[whole comet]

hmmm? who's this stranger?

[full nexus]

??? melon evolved!

[chrome wharf]

My OC

[vagrant grove]

melanie

[whole comet]

melon becomes a human

[pure karma]

64 unseeded heat inc

[chrome wharf]

Beowulf meta history

[chrome wharf]

They have an actual name lmao

[marsh rivet]

coughs in broken af Charged Flight

[chrome wharf]

Lili for short lol

[chrome wharf]

What did it do

[marsh rivet]

700 damage in chamber 3 with just epic Aphro Special

[high island]

Wdym? Charged Flight was perfectly balanced.

[marsh rivet]

i'm going to get an eye injury from rolling them. I already had surgery last year.

[vagrant grove]

w h a t

[high island]

Charged Flight had +400% base damage instead of the +200% now.

[marsh rivet]

Charged Flight used to apply a +400% multiplicative bonus

[high island]

So that's a 225 base damage Special when fully Charged.

[vagrant grove]

that's broken

[lone kernel]

that passion flare bug just cost me a 40 heat win

on beo

[vagrant grove]

yikes

what was the bug

[lone kernel]

sell the attack and your AOE on passion flare drops to crush shot range in a circle

your attack meaning your attack boon

my sodium content is high rn

[chrome wharf]

Make sure to ingest more potassium for balance

[lone kernel]

lmao dude i literally am eating a banana right now 🤣

[chrome wharf]

Good good

[vagrant grove]

[last veldt]

I have all the fish fully catalogued except two, which I've never caught at all. It's this expected?
I think one is in Chaos realm and one from Elysium.

[high island]

No, you see. I also said that it was broken when I did 41 with Charged Flight in a couple tries when I'd never before played the aspect, made a long post in feedback about the problems with it... but people downvoted my post and told me I was wrong because I'd only done one run with it and wouldn't know enough about it. So then I got the high heat WR with it in my very next run to make a point, and suddenly people agreed that Charged Flight was very broken. But now, after having done a second run with it, I could confidently say that it was perfectly balanced.

[vagrant grove]

perfectly balanced hammer, amazing

[jade zenith]

if you aren't getting consistent perfect catches then it can take a while to discover all of them

[high island]

I even made another post asking for Charged Flight buffs. I asked them to make it hit twice so that I could do max Heat next.

[vagrant grove]

yeah

[high island]

That one actually got upvotes.

[vagrant grove]

that trout at surface took so long to get, I just kept getting bass

[last veldt]

Do some fish only come for perfect catches?

[lone kernel]

I wanna watch that run if you have one please 🙂

[last veldt]

I'm about 30% perfect catching

[jade zenith]

you need perfect catches for very rare fish

[lone kernel]

Pro tip with fishing: use joycons if on switch

[full nexus]

Fishing is bugged so you are very likely to get rare/legendary fishes on a perfect catch

to the point where getting less rare ones is hard

[lone kernel]

The right one buzzes for real the left is fake so if you only hold the right one and close your eyes you’ll win every time (it’s a pain, but it’ll work)

[high island]

Nyaanyaa Mewmew — 07/19/2020
KNEEL BEFORE THE QUEEN OF HADES!!! 👸🏽 https://imgur.com/a/EsKTVVp

This one?

[lone kernel]

Oh wow, 400 percent that’s nuts. But yes

It was basically mega guan yu

[high island]

lol I used to call Charged Flight Beowulf "worse Guan Yu but with twice the HP" after the nerf.

[chrome wharf]

Queen of Hades
Isn't that Persephone

[high island]

Listen, she didn't show herself anywhere during Early Access, okay? I was there. Where was she when her subjects needed help? Exactly.

[vagrant grove]

darkness grinding is just praying for Chaos to give you +darkness and gem% and using dark thirst weapons, right

[chrome wharf]

*glances at Dionysus and Zag
Unless....?

[high island]

Also, linked the run in #self-promotion.

[full nexus]

poseidon

[vagrant grove]

ah right, poseidon's boon

[mint coral]

And your friendly

[vagrant grove]

bouldy gives darkness?

[full nexus]

Sisyphus does

[mint coral]

Bouldy companion drops darkness

[full nexus]

true

[vagrant grove]

alright time to grind darkness for chaos theme

[lone kernel]

yep

also useful to start poseidon for ocean's bounty

your call on swapping foresight out - in my experience, the 250 you get from dad with multipliers is just way more efficient than taking the 10 darkness rooms

wait that was for @vagrant grove i misclicked because green names

[full nexus]

GREEN

[whole comet]

sis doll drop darkness too

[marsh rivet]

Yeah, imo if taking the darkness room over a key or nectar would drop your win rate even by like half a percent, it's not worth it over just making sure you can kill Dad

[whole comet]

nectar room should be #1 pick for the free pom, right?

[signal aspen]

depends

[chrome wharf]

Depends on your boons useful to pom / total boons ratio

[signal aspen]

like if you have common artemis attack youre not gonna take the pom

[chrome wharf]

Reroll is sometimes better

[jade zenith]

even if decreasing your win rate isn't a factor

[chrome wharf]

esp in higher heat UC

[jade zenith]

saving time would still be helpful

[whole comet]

so key > nectar > darkness > gem?

[chrome wharf]

Key ~ nectar. It depends on your state

20 money can be clutch sometimes

[flint pollen]

Darkness might also be above nectar or key if you have dark regeneration and a boon that gives you extra darkness, bc then the amount of healing you get is not inconsiderable

If youre not full on hp

[chrome wharf]

Oceans Bounty Dark Regen moment

[flint pollen]

Oceans bounty, dark thirst and chaos darkness bonus stacked

With dark regen xD

In that case id nearly always pick darkness above key or nectar

If im not full HP

Even without oceans bounty or chaos darkness bonus

[whole comet]

If EA made this game

[chrome wharf]

Coming to think of it, +5HP is 25 gold

[whole comet]

those darkness hp gem coin bonus would be DLC XD

[flint pollen]

Yeah

[chrome wharf]

here

[flint pollen]

Darkness is seriously good

The other thing is i think the dark thirst from weapons is not worth it at all for grinding darkness

Because youre probably gonna be at least 20% slower in your runs with weapons youre not great with

Which means it already more than pays to just use the weapons youre the fastest with

[jade zenith]

why not?

I don't think you are going to be 20% slower

[flint pollen]

If youre 20% faster with those weapons without them you get the same darkness per real time hour

Oh im way more than 20% slower if i have to play weapons i dont know how to play

My average fists or sword run is like 18 to 22 minutes, average spear is like 25 and average bow is above 30

[celest shell]

Every time I think I want to get back into Hades I'm worried I'll spend another 5 hours a day playing it or something

[jade zenith]

there definitely will be some weapons that I might be 20% slower with

[celest shell]

So addicting

[jade zenith]

but it isn't most of them

[flint pollen]

Yeah

Im saying dont pick those slow weapons

Even if they have darker thirst

Bruh are you kidding me, i guess im not playing rail

Zeus keepsake, first boon does not offer attack, roll once, still no attack, roll a second time, still no attack

[signal aspen]

get vorime'd

[flint pollen]

Why is that vorime'd? xD

[signal aspen]

because that happened to him

[flint pollen]

Wtf what weapons even have good specials

Ig spear but i have achilles aspect on it

[full nexus]

Rail

[whole comet]

Chiron bow

[flint pollen]

I dont want to play rail without something decent on attack

I suck with it anyway

Like hardcore

[mint coral]

zeus shield

[flint pollen]

Dont have that unlocked sadly xD

[signal aspen]

bruh

[whole comet]

lol the only weapon that achieve unseed 62

[flint pollen]

I havent played that much of this, i only have a couple of weapon aspects unlocked

No hidden aspects

[whole comet]

Chiron bow is prolly the easiest to use, also powerful

[jade zenith]

hammers make the specials a lot better

[whole comet]

i guess u can't always get the hammer upgrade u want for rail

and special rail, eh it's alright

[marsh rivet]

the ones the others mentioned + Guan Yu, Hades, Demeter

[whole comet]

spears XD

[flint pollen]

In what situations am i guaranteed to get the same room out of chaos as if i didnt enter it at all?

[marsh rivet]

... huh?

[flint pollen]

I have ares miniboss or chaos in tartarus but i dont know if ill get the ares coming out of the chaos gate or not

Like sometimes i know you get the same room offered to you when exiting chaos

As the chamber exit of the room you entered chaos from

[marsh rivet]

That's just a coincidence, the rooms are generated randomly each time.

[flint pollen]

No its not just coincidence

[high island]

You skip the chambers.

[marsh rivet]

I'm probably misunderstanding

[flint pollen]

I know it happens if its the second to last room in a biome

[whole comet]

if you use give up to retry

u do tend to get similar rooms

[high island]

If you enter a Chaos Gate or Infernal Gate just before the boss shop, you will see the boss shop again. But any other exits will be new ones.

[flint pollen]

OK

[full nexus]

yeah there's no such thing

[flint pollen]

Can i just say EM2 lernie is sometimes kind of wtf

When he flies around without a neck theres literally no telegraph for his arrow spewing attack

And with melee weapons its kind of bs

[full nexus]

There is

[flint pollen]

What is it

I havent been able to spot it the last 3 times

[whole comet]

hmmm... i think his animation actually telegraph well

[flint pollen]

And have each time lost a death defiance to that attack

[full nexus]

takes a deep breath

[flint pollen]

Yeah without EM its fine

[whole comet]

just usually got overlooked

[full nexus]

that's Lernie

[flint pollen]

Hm

[mint coral]

this beo trippy flare got only 3 boons so far and they were all from dio
perfect blackout set up

[flint pollen]

I usually notice the attack when i take like 90 damage instantly bc he spews out 8 billion arrows

[mint coral]

got flare start, dash 2nd boon the legendary on mini boss

[flint pollen]

Without EM i have no issues with that at all

[whole comet]

but hey, u talk melee

[flint pollen]

But somehow with EM i cant ever tell that attack is coming

[whole comet]

wait til u see EM3

[flint pollen]

Oh i know whats there xD

[whole comet]

I would say that's a bit unfair

[flint pollen]

wdym?

Its unfair against whom?

[whole comet]

range, u won't have to worry that Asterius aoe

when he jump attacks

and the spin

if u wish to dmg Asterius consistently with melee, could be rough

[marsh rivet]

Lol, even excluding EM3, curious what the reaction would be to FO2 blue heads slamming after they spawn from lava

[whole comet]

i'll take that over blue Lernie lol

[twin thistle]

lernie just draws his head back to spit dont think ive ever seen it not telegraphed

[whole comet]

i think the arrow one, he hisses and closes his mouth

[twin thistle]

also depends on whether its the slow one or the burst ig

[flint pollen]

Burst

[whole comet]

he plays the same animation

b4 using the attack

[high island]

Lernie heads also always just rotate their attacks and never do the same attack twice, so it's not like you don't know what's next.

[marsh rivet]

Actually not even sure what exactly the trigger for their little forward lunge thing is. I assume proximity + having done their normal attacks recently or something like that

The telegraph with FO2 is... kind of there but so incredibly subtle

[high island]

m not sure about the main head exactly, but the other ones just have one "special" attack each and the bite/lunge, and they just rotate those two.

[marsh rivet]

Yeah it was the main head I was asking about. No idea

Kinda just does it lol

[whole comet]

you're referring to the charge attack at 33% when he broke free

prolly most of the time used when u have distance from him

normally follow up with slam

[marsh rivet]

I'll keep an eye out. I thought I remember it doing that just in the normal fight itself but I don't remember

[whole comet]

he did too, but normal fight he has distance limit

so might be not very obvious

[high island]

Probably just picks a random action but never the same action back-to-back.

[full otter]

died cause i forgot to attack once before using meg with damage control

[high island]

Well, at least you showed them blue hearts who's boss.

You should have just used the best Companion, Fidi.

https://clips.twitch.tv/PoorIgnorantClipsdadStoneLightning-j0BDRqs4Z3OkG8Yh

[full otter]

just a waste of a good run

damn

[high island]

Well, you probably also made other mistakes if you died. But you'll be better prepared next run.

[winter gazelle]

So,|| i've increased Hades' Affinity to 1, got Persephone back to the House, but the dialogue to finish Hades' favor won't trigger. Do I need to do something else?||

[high island]

Just gotta keep talking to people and do more runs.

[vagrant grove]

dialogue rng

[winter gazelle]

Rip

[vagrant grove]

his keepsake is really good, it's worth the rng of waiting a few runs and his storyline is great too

[oak gull]

You don't want to stand in close and kiss him all the time. Some of the weapons have the range, so you can keep poking. Others have bursts of damage you need to fall back on.

Like the Demeter Fists quad-special, for example.

Trying to get the athena dash is a good idea, if you are having trouble with projectiles.

[spring lotus]

Is there any tier list around this server for weapons?

[modern garnet]

Weapons are generally pretty well balanced with each other, any weapon tier list is gonna be really debatable

Aspects, however...

[dusky wedge]

Does the Vengeance boons have any internal cooldowns?

[narrow hemlock]

really depends on what you're looking for. for regular play any tier list is down to personal taste. high heat gets more restrictive because some aspects do objectively perform better than others in high difficulty

[full otter]

yeah i got hit a lot by theseus for no particular reason, i generally am able to dodge it but i guess i was panicking

[high island]

Panic is something you can't really practice for you. You just gotta get more experience to feel more comfortable.

What I do right before the Hades fight when I do very high heats is consciously remind myself to just focus on a clean fight.

Like I'll tell myself in my mind, "Alright, just focus on a clean fight."

Things go wrong when you get nervous and worry about the timer or your low HP or whatever... you end up getting hit by a lot of things you wouldn't normally get hit by.

But... you know the strategy and the tactics, you've done those before... you just gotta focus on executing that cleanly.

[full otter]

yeah playing more and getting used to it would be really good

i was at 20 heat before, then jumped straight up to 32, then to 40 with no practice

[tall quiver]

I'm on like 40+ runs and I can consistently make it to [redacted] I JUST CANT BEAT HIM AHHH

[full otter]

i don't really know why but it gets so much easier once you beat him

[tall quiver]

I haven't been able to get him as low as I did the first time I fight him and now I just can't do it

I've pretty much given up and I'm just getting the materials to finish the Lounge for Dusa

[brisk trail]

How do you unlock secret stash prizes?

[rapid forum]

Progress relationship till you can give ambrosia

[brisk trail]

How many hours did it take for you to max out/unlock everything? I've been playing for 50 hours and I'm not even close. I've only beat Hades once with the fists cuz they're the most fun weapon to use

[whole comet]

if u guys have hard time on Hades, could try get more survival abilites

[twin thistle]

or just melt him harder

[brisk trail]

What are survival abilities?

[whole comet]

lets see... Athena boons would be a good one

especially her call

[chrome wharf]

Weak (Aphrodite, reduce enemy damage output)
Chill (Demeter, slows movement)
Abyssal Blood (Mirror, slows foes with bloodstone in them)

Other assorted boons:
Weak + Aphrodite's Weak-buffing boons
Life Affirmation (Aphrodite, any +Max HP boons have greater effect)
Different (?) League (Aphrodite, -dmg on nearby enemies)
Bronze Skin (Athena, -dmg)
Positive Outlook (Dionysus, -dmg when below 30%)
Stubborn Roots (Demeter/Athena Duo, HP regens in combat if no DDs left)

[whole comet]

u said u like fist right?

Demeter attack would be great to stack 10 chill easily

i also think dio/Athena boon is great with slow projectile

Thessus spear throw is a joke

[chrome wharf]

Athena's Sure Footing is good too

[whole comet]

and Styx those satyr poison darts would be easier to dash avoid, or deflect back

Poseidon, Ares, Athena call all can provide 1sec+ immune, so might be a good idea to try get them

[rapid forum]

Around 120 ish

Maxed out everything

100% achievement and what not

Finally tried and beat 32 heat

[whole comet]

hmmm... i wonder if 120 is enough lol

we r including buying everything from house contractor and resource director, right?

[gloomy sleet]

idk where to ask this, what would be the easiest pact modifier?

[rapid forum]

Oh ok then 250 i think lol

[whole comet]

lol

i unlock the "post ending" quest at 71 btw

after 71 attempt

haven't even max out the green perk fate yet O_O

[twin thistle]

haelian has a good heat progression guide https://youtu.be/CGl1vVnFPsw

[lone kernel]

Games main story content lasts for around 100 runs

[whole comet]

i was rushing a bit to see how fast u could do it

[twin thistle]

did epilogue in like 50-60 or something runs on my new file

[whole comet]

lol u unlock those locked heart really quick

[twin thistle]

wouldve been faster if ares didnt take like 5-6 runs after i did his quest to lemme ambrosia him

[whole comet]

i still dun get the part with unlocking heart

seemed like some gods just never did

and some, i didn't do any special thing, and unlock very earluy

[whole comet]

ouch, TD2 considered "unavoidable" according to him XD

[twin thistle]

better than cp2 or js3

[whole comet]

eh, i'll take that over even TD1

i never really play very far on normal mode though, other than mainly bow.

and hell mode, HL1 and CP1 were locked

and does make the "kill things fast" approach a bit more difficult

[fast willow]

i wish door rewards gave more than 10 darkness

[whole comet]

where's the "$5 for 1000 darkness" offer eh?

or premium package $30 for 20k darkness 5k gems 50 blood etc

[lone kernel]

Supergiant doesn’t do crap like that

Pay to win

[upbeat lodge]

What prophecy should i focus on next

[twin thistle]

yoy know whats fun

speeder savior fo2 greatshields in elysium

........

speeder savior chariots

at least these are in than room

[vapid narwhal]

LOL anything speeder in elysium on decently high heat is a death sentence

especially on melee weapons

speeder explody bits!

[upbeat lodge]

How do people actually deal with flaming chariots

[twin thistle]

if you just dash back and forth through a wall theyll kill themselves

[upbeat lodge]

I try to do that as well

[twin thistle]

also like using a damaging dash, deflect, ranged attacks

[vapid narwhal]

ranged attacks + damaging dash works

poseidon and zeus dash work great for them

[naive mist]

I'm getting a better understanding on how to the best of each Boons (gods) but there's one divinity I don't get at all.

Artemis

The numbers just don't seem great, especially compared to other dieties who give really high raw number dmg increase

Boons like "5% chance to crit" isn't too interesting...

[rapid forum]

Pressure point (5% crit chance) is a global boon, it affects any damage dealing boons you have. Which is pretty much 5% damage increase.

[twin thistle]

also stronk duo boons

[upbeat lodge]

How do i get meg summon

[naive mist]

ahhhh!!!! i see ^^

[twin thistle]

mainly artemis attack is used on zag bow though

also her dash is good extra damage

[rapid forum]

Support fire (a hit from attack, special, or cast spawns a homing arrow) is 10 damage. Pair that with fist, you have +10 on every punch.

[naive mist]

thanks! I had some very difficult runs when using her boons but its likely i didn't have good synergies / planning

[twin thistle]

yeah support fire on fast hitting weapons is great

artemsis mainly scales best when you can get a lot of crit chance like with hunters mark or zag bow and when you have a lot of other sources of base damage

[rapid forum]

it's ok, it took me a while to make artemis work

[twin thistle]

because crit is multiplicative

[naive mist]

For my playstyle, Ares, Athena and Poseidon does miracles 🙂

Ares cast is just too good

[rapid forum]

have you tried the holy grail that is Hunting Blades?

[twin thistle]

well then you prolly want artemis for hunting blades

HB makes ares cast like 3 times better

[naive mist]

ooohh nott yet!!!

omg!!

Im gonna try that next 😄

[random kestrel]

SupergEAnt

[vapid narwhal]

a 5% PP is more like a 10% global damage increase

as crit deals 300% damage

without accounting for Clean Kill or Hide Breaker

[twin thistle]

or hunters mark

[naive mist]

Do we have a base chance to crit? (without boons)?

[vapid narwhal]

no, unless you use certain weapons

[twin thistle]

nemesis and zag aspects do

[naive mist]

ooooohhh!!!! thanks!!

[twin thistle]

well nemesis you need to use special once but its basically 100% uptime

[vapid narwhal]

by default without Nemesis and Zag bow, you don't have any ways to to do crits

[twin thistle]

uh zag bow*

[random kestrel]

You would need like 50% crit chance to match Artemis's damage buff

[twin thistle]

huh?

[naive mist]

One more thing... im stacked with Ambrosia. What is it for?

[twin thistle]

if you give enough nectar to a character then meet a certain requirement youll be able to give them ambrosia

[naive mist]

ahhh!! nice!!

[twin thistle]

also good to know

that meg, skelly, dusa, achilles, and thanatos have a special item

and sisyphus

if you give them ambrosia

[naive mist]

sweeet!! i'll max them out asap

[chrome wharf]

Some of them need Nyx hearts too

[twin thistle]

it may be a bit difficult for some like achilles and sisyphus since theres quite a few prerequisites including nyx hearts yeah

[naive mist]

ahh all good! 😄

[twin thistle]

also part of the end story is tied behind giving ambrosia to the gods

so theres a lot of nectar youll eventually want to give out

[naive mist]

yeah!

Right now, my mirror is fully unlocked... so i trade keys for nectar

i hope it wasnt a bad idea

[vapid narwhal]

it's not

once you get all mirror tiers unlocked feel free to trade away keys, they basically have no other use, aside from resetting the mirror

[naive mist]

phewwww!

thanks!

[high island]

@naive mist it's a good idea to keep at least 15 Chthonic Keys, though, to be able to afford the Titan Blood deal when it's on offer.

[fast willow]

on eris if rocket bomb and cluster bomb were both on the first hammer then which would be the better one to take

[high marlin]

yo.. regards to all

wanted to ask which weapons y'all prefer?

i've been loving Varatha more than anything

couple that with "hangover" and/or "doom" blessings and BOOM!

[fast willow]

i like eris rail and all the shield aspects other than zag

and rama bow

[upbeat lodge]

Rama,

Hestia

And fists

[upbeat lodge]

Thanks for the tip, even if it's not directed at me

[rapid forum]

that's uh

hard

[high marlin]

lol

[rapid forum]

I don't necessarily have a favourite

[high marlin]

lemme bend the question then

which do you use the most?

[rapid forum]

that would be the bow

[high marlin]

i see i see

[twin thistle]

rail, bow, shield

though i was mostly doing sped runs with rail

[devout terrace]

S o r d

We dont talk about the room clear

Or the survivability

Or the nonexistent skill curve cliff

[high marlin]

tried the shield and fists but just cant feel comfortable with those 2

[devout terrace]

Try charged shot shield

And breaching cross/explosive launcher on fists

[twin thistle]

charged mirage shot beowulf 🙏

[gray apex]

I’m always jealous of good sword players

[twin thistle]

when i use sword its just mashing and eating a lot of dad skulls unless i have deflect

[rapid forum]

poseidon sword is an option

[devout terrace]

Nem is the way

Pos sword feels like worse Achilles on the cast part and worse nem on the ME part

[twin thistle]

pos sword can play somewhat ranged which is easier but doesnt really make you have to learn the sword

[devout terrace]

Zag sword

[twin thistle]

15% movement sped is cool for no dash

[devout terrace]

Game changer

[twin thistle]

15% faster flurry strike

[fast willow]

so its optimal because i can play sword without playing sword

[twin thistle]

can also just go smouldering air lol

[devout terrace]

The best way to deal damage is still to do the sword combo

Cast-dash strike dash strike-special repeat

[fast willow]

i wish dedalus hammers were rollable

[vapid narwhal]

hammers are some of the most powerful upgrades in the game, being able to roll them would be pretty damn OP

[frozen timber]

where can thanatos be found after me finding him multiple times?

[vapid narwhal]

he some times stands around the balcony besides the entrance of the admin chamber

[frozen timber]

no yeah ik

it's just that i'm already on maxing out relations with him

it's just that he hasn't appeared anywhere

for like 3 escape attempts

[vapid narwhal]

RNG

[frozen timber]

also does me using the ||companion mort|| change his spawn rate?

[vapid narwhal]

nope

[frozen timber]

alright ty!

[crystal plinth]

is there any way i can get the permission to use hades' OST as my stream music?
the faq didnt cover that so im still curious if i can get it. sorry if this troubles anyone

[upbeat lodge]

S o r d is a bit boring imo

Sell me on sword

[vapid narwhal]

try contact one of their community folks on here, you can find the list in #readme-first

[crystal plinth]

aight

[upbeat lodge]

How do you guys get the blood for a weapon you want to play really bad

[rapid forum]

I counted the ambrosia I need and traded excess ambrosia

I still have too much ambrosia

[brisk trail]

play heat get more blood

[upbeat lodge]

I am aware of that fact. I'll try to get through it fast

[brisk trail]

some prophecies also give blood but I dont remember which ones

[vapid narwhal]

prophecies give out a lot of blood

[brisk trail]

I just did heat+prophecies and eventually I had enough for all weapons

[vapid narwhal]

a heat clear on all 6 weapons also give you 12

[upbeat lodge]

I will try

Rn i want Poseidon, eris, lucifer, and enough to max out my chaos shield, and beo

[vapid narwhal]

that's about 60-70 blood, with prophecies and occasional trades you can probably get them in 20 runs

[upbeat lodge]

OK then. Is there an easy way to make those 20 runs fast and entertaining or fast enough that boredom can't catch up

[zealous tapir]

pick hermes boons for speed buffs

[upbeat lodge]

And play low heat

[autumn fog]

Hi - Aggy directed me here and I have a question about the mega gorgon fight

not to interrupt whatever is going on I just wanted to make sure it's me and not a bug

[upbeat lodge]

?

[vapid narwhal]

what question tho

[autumn fog]

The cyclops impact zone is larger than normal but communicated as the same as normal elite cyclops

is that intentional?

It has a third ring of impact and I'm not positive that I can lure the drop with the single dash without taking damage or relying on the dodge chance

It's entirely possible I'm just bad

But I started playing on hell mode initially and have learned as I went so I am not convinced I'm terrible

I just want to be sure I'm not timing it right as opposed to it being a bug in that fight with the specific perk

[gray apex]

Totally not lightning phalanx cough cough

[zealous tapir]

Which gods can restore DD?

Athena, and?

[upbeat lodge]

Athena only iirc

[spare tiger]

Yeah just Athena

Demeter can heal you and Dionysus can upgrade nectars into centaur hearts but thats it

Oh and obviously Aphro can buff Centaur Hearts

@zealous tapir

[gray apex]

Chaos

[whole comet]

chaos does not restore, he gives a new one

[gray apex]

He’a unreliable anyway

[zealous tapir]

ic

[gray apex]

You can buy a dd from a Well of Charon if your mirror is on dds (not sd)

It’s not guaranteed to show up

[whole comet]

Pat from Elysium often shows up though

[upbeat lodge]

And costs 200 gp

[high island]

@autumn fog, the Dire Skull-Crusher is perfectly evadable with just a single dash—both the normal version and the Middle Management version.

[autumn fog]

normal is easy at this point. Middle management seems to have an extra ring that I'm not accounting for

[upbeat lodge]

Ima try and do some bounty runs on God mode

4 runs buys me eris rail

[high island]

Dash out once and then back in through the shockwave. Make sure you do an empty dash, as Dash-Strikes don't have i-frames.

[autumn fog]

there she be. thanks much I didn't know that dash-strikes don't have iframes

[upbeat lodge]

What weapon would be the best here? I got suggested Hera

[high island]

It'll take some practice to be consistent.

Good luck!

[autumn fog]

I'll get it

that's the bit that I didn't know

[high island]

@upbeat lodge weren't you complaining about not getting enough of a challenge at low heats the other day? Maybe turn off god mode.

[autumn fog]

I've been going for backstab damage the entire time

[upbeat lodge]

I don't play with God mode. I'll enable it to get bounties easier

Bcs losing in elysium takes time.

[high island]

Removing the challenge just to get the reward faster sounds like a good way to not enjoy the journey and burn out.

[upbeat lodge]

You are probably right

I'll just grab rama for some runs

Or try least as possible hit Hestia

[autumn fog]

dude I'm almost 150 runs in and haven't gotten out yet

[high island]

Since you asked how to keep having fun doing bounties, focus on practicing mechanics, optimizing builds, discovering new builds...

[autumn fog]

best game I've ever played

[brisk trail]

Can relate. I'm 110 runs in, and this is the only game that I spent this much time on and didn't feel bored a single second while playing. Tbh Hades is a masterpiece.

[autumn fog]

Bit of a Greek nerd myself so it's super satisfying to see the various gods played out

[brisk trail]

The story is amazing, although for me what kept me playing was how the game plays out mechanically, and how the devs gave so much polish and love for their craft.

[high island]

You need a pretty high level of skill to treat 20 bounties with a weapon as "I'll just speedrun this real quick." If it's your first playthrough, there's a whole lot to learn and practice still, aspects to try out, etc.

[brisk trail]

Like, my experience with it was "Jesus, this game is just overflowing with passion and I love it."

[autumn fog]

See, this is the game where I was gifted it for a birthday from a friend

and I not only want to repay that gift but pay more

[marsh rivet]

Lol, same. I've bought the game for a couple of people just to move it further up their queue of games to play soon

[autumn fog]

the amount of joy that I've got out of this game...This is the game I would gladly pay more for at the very end. Once I hit completion...at that point how could I not

[brisk trail]

Aww. That's sweet. For me, I usually don't have much coin to spare, so I borrowed it on Steam. Loved it so much I saved up to buy it myself. Nowadays I couldn't recommend this game enough to people I talk with. XD

[brisk trail]

Preach.

[high island]

You can set your roles in #bot-commands, by the way.

[autumn fog]

Right...like, I feel this is the area where most modern gaming companies are missing. If you appeal to the completionists, without making it a burden and making it a great journey along the way...

[whole comet]

Completionist for hades…

[brisk trail]

Huge, thanks, actually!

[whole comet]

64 heat

[autumn fog]

@whole comet yessir

get at me

[whole comet]

Gl for them lol

[autumn fog]

I started in god mode and I'll be damned if I don't beat it in max heat

[brisk trail]

True. I'm a casual player, at least in regards that I don't usually try to complete games/try to complete challenges. But Hades is one of the few games that made me actually want to play on the Heat challenges for fun. lol

[autumn fog]

hell mode excuse me

[brisk trail]

Currently || dying || trying the Twin Fists on Heat 15.

[autumn fog]

not god mode

[high island]

Max Heat has only been beaten once, and only fully routed.

[autumn fog]

well I gotta beat everything else first

before I can beat the current max heat record

[whole comet]

Btw

Only hell mode let’s u get 64 heat

Normal mode only gets u 63

U might wanna keep that in mind

[autumn fog]

I don't actually know what normal mode is

I started in hell mode

[whole comet]

Oh then ur fine

[autumn fog]

cheers mate

[high island]

You gotta be playing 6-8 hours a day to have a chance at beating the unseeded WR to be honest.

[whole comet]

Hell mode means 5 heat at the start

[autumn fog]

yeah I know

[whole comet]

Normal has 0, so way easier

[autumn fog]

I would assume so

@high island unseeded?

THERE ARE SEEDS FOR MAPS?

ugh

[high island]

Unseeded means the run seed is random, as opposed to replaying the same seed.

[whole comet]

Lots of terms were used and created by the player base lol

[autumn fog]

yes I'm aware

is the run seed able to be manipulated

[high island]

If you give up a run, you return to the House of Hades before the run, so you can replay the same seed.

[autumn fog]

ahhhhhhhh so cheeeeesed is what you mean

[high island]

Yes, deliberate manipulation of the RNG in the seed is routed. But that falls under Seeded on the leaderboard, too.

[autumn fog]

well at least it has its own category

[high island]

High Heat Leaderboard is pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies if you're interested.

[autumn fog]

I'm not even out on hell mode base yet

definitely interested but have miles to go

[marsh rivet]

Seeding reasonably only affects your first boon/hammer offering in chamber 1. To do any more RNG manipulation past that is considered "routing", and is... quite a lot more involved than it would seem lol, and blatantly obvious when it's being done, so very very little risk of abuse

[whole comet]

Did u beat hades yet on hell mode?

[autumn fog]

@whole comet no. I beat dad down to his second health bar and died. But I also tend to play games differently than most in that as I've said I can no hit Tartarus and Asphodel for the most part

depends a bit on the rooms and boons and layout

[whole comet]

Well, take ur time

[autumn fog]

planning to.

[halcyon girder]

Cerburus vanquished
(You did this) I love that part always makes me laugh

[autumn fog]

(He's Fine)

[halcyon girder]

(not really)

[autumn fog]

I mean, it's a sack of poisoned meat...

[halcyon girder]

Vermin

[autumn fog]

but he's such a good boi I unlocked that one first

all of the achievements for the doggo

[halcyon girder]

It's a bit sad that Hades has two hands but cerburus has three heads

[marsh rivet]

venomous meat at least

[brisk trail]

Cerberus Devoured
(The satyr sack)

[halcyon girder]

He can't pet them all

[autumn fog]

I mean, really only the one head enjoys the pets

the other two tolerate them

[marsh rivet]

one of the heads is just a speepy boy

[halcyon girder]

If I lose to asterius it's fine but Theseus I'm not happy

[autumn fog]

Asterius actually makes me feel worse than Theseus

Cuz Theseus is just a ginormous prick the entire time