h1-discussion

[brisk trail]

Oh I didn’t know that

[whole comet]

i mean fresh file btw

[reef zodiac]

Oh?

[whole comet]

new file fresh hell mode

[reef zodiac]

You don’t plan to win on your first run?

[high island]

Fresh file just means get a win asap no matter if it's your first run or second run or whatever. It's a speedrun category. First run means literally the first run in a new file.

[whole comet]

ummm no, i mean fresh file clear

1st clear

[high island]

That's not fresh file, that's first run.

[reef zodiac]

Ok that’s called first run

[whole comet]

then, let me ask again

[reef zodiac]

She literally just explained that

[whole comet]

which one is harder? 50 Heat mirrorless Zag sword(max) vs hell mode fresh file 1st clear

[reef zodiac]

Same answer

There is no world where FR Hell Mode is harder than 50 heat mirrorless on any weapon

[full otter]

mirrorless alone is 70% of the difference between a first run and an old file

[reef zodiac]

Yeah

[full otter]

the other 30% is companion and the sake

[whole comet]

yeah, 50 heat still has the keepsake and companion etc

[reef zodiac]

No, you also can’t see over half the gods

[high island]

Hmmm. Dunno. You can get Epic Greatest Reflex in Tartarus at 50 Heat. You can't get any Lord Hermes boons in a first run.

[whole comet]

and BEST part, u could get hermes to get double dash back

[reef zodiac]

It’s also 50 HEAT

[whole comet]

so, a lot to consider

for 50 heat

[reef zodiac]

No it’s not

[whole comet]

dun mind if it's seedless or seed tbh lol

[reef zodiac]

Oh you can seed the 50 heat run? That’s a colossal difference

Idk how to seed first runs

[whole comet]

so, which one would u pick?

looks like everyone thinks hell mode is easier

[high island]

Don't have enough experience with either to have an opinion tbh. Both are difficult.

[reef zodiac]

It’s 50 heat compared to 5

Or I guess 13

[whole comet]

i guess just opinion for fun, so no worry if you're wrong

[high island]

50 is probably more difficult, though. But if you can do seeded, you can just route the whole run at 50 lol.

[reef zodiac]

opinion
wrong

[high island]

Opinions can be wrong, yes.

[whole comet]

well, when i say seed

i kinda mean only knowing the 1st room

onward should be random

[reef zodiac]

[whole comet]

at least, that's how i see it

[reef zodiac]

That’s kinda not what that means

Just so you know

[whole comet]

i mean, i do it all the time, give up and retry

and perfect streak 😄

[reef zodiac]

🆒

[high island]

Separating seeded from routed on the leaderboards would require mods, so we don't do that.

Anyway, if you're interested in doing mirrorless high heat, we have a mirrorless category on the high heat leaderboard pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies.

[whole comet]

well, just a random question comes in mind, not really trying to think too hard O_O

[reef zodiac]

Also, if I’ve run Tartarus (and/or grabbed my second hammer) then I know more than just the first room of the seed

That’s just how it works

[rapid forum]

have you guys tried Aphro Dem Duo on hera?

[high island]

That's why we don't separate seeded from routed on the leaderboard, the disctinction is a gray area unless you use a mod that guarantees only the first boon or whatever is known.

[high island]

I don't know if the guys have, but I have.

[reef zodiac]

Cold Embrace? Eww no

Well I’ve done it on Achilles, which I understand is different

Definitely sounds interesting at the very least

[high island]

https://i.imgur.com/W5NAKRF.jpg

[rapid forum]

lol

[reef zodiac]

Nyaa you know that boon sucks

[rapid forum]

one thing i wanna know is the position of the crystal

I've ran crystal meme on hera

[high island]

Cold Embrace is great.

[rapid forum]

but I can't remember

[high island]

You're just no good at using it.

[whole comet]

there's a duo boon that can auto lock enemies though...

[reef zodiac]

It’s literally a downgrade from base Crystal beam which is already a bad cast on its own

[whole comet]

wouldn't that one a little bit easier to use?

[rapid forum]

yea but cold embrace got +60% damage

it is easier

and a lot more powerful

[reef zodiac]

60%? Isn’t it 30%?

[whole comet]

i see

[rapid forum]

idk

all I know is it's higher than crystal clarity

[reef zodiac]

It’s definitely 30% unless it’s bugged or something

Crystal Clarity is definitely much much better than cold embrace

[high island]

Crystal Clarity adds no bonus damage.

[whole comet]

i guess maybe speedrunners might choose that?

[rapid forum]

oh yea it's +30%

mb

[whole comet]

or if u wanna make lives harder XD

[reef zodiac]

Codex says 10%

[high island]

It's 60% in PonyWarrior's mod.

[whole comet]

wouldn't u need to keep repositioning yourself to get it working?

[high island]

That's practically nothing.

[reef zodiac]

It’s not nothing though

[whole comet]

auto lock, let the crystal do it's job

[rapid forum]

well yes

but I've run crystal clarity a lot

i wanna show cold embrace some love

[reef zodiac]

Yeah Crystal clarity is definitely much better, but if you want to give cold embrace a shot go for it

[whole comet]

oh well, that's fine if you want to 😄

[reef zodiac]

It’s not like they’re fighting for a victory

[whole comet]

felt like one of the more annoying one to use

or, extra fun?

certainly not a boon i would purposely go for lol

[reef zodiac]

Is epic swift strike gonna make a noticeable difference for flurry jab?

[fast willow]

aww i had a good run with achilles spear and crystal beam + the crystal beam duo but this time ||hades doesnt fight me||

[whole comet]

well, at least he acknowledges u

[fast willow]

well yeah but I wanted to try out this build since it's my best spear one yet

[whole comet]

but just curious

did u buy blood/gem for that run?

i already know that would happen during that run and get easy blood 😄

[fast willow]

no

i thought it would be like any other run so i bought poms and boons

[whole comet]

yeah either people know beforehand and do that, or not lol

[fast willow]

also damn the last run i had i lost to a miniboss in styx

[whole comet]

pretty much every powerup r pointless in styx lol

[fast willow]

if i knew what would happen i would have taken tooth and avoided the miniboss doors lol

[whole comet]

and get the gold to get a free blood/gem, but oh well just be happy with the story 😄

[reef zodiac]

What are you talking about

Imagine skipping miniboss doors in Styx

I only take miniboss doors in Styx and get frustrated when I have to fight the big rooms (aka 4/5 sacks) because they’re so slow and obnoxious

[late fog]

🍞

[steady geyser]

Isn’t there an achievement for getting a boon to lvl 20 or sth? I don’t see one

[prisma wind]

There is not

[rapid forum]

no, there is a challenge to get a boon to level 20 however

[white merlin]

man

i just did a seastorm chaos build and it was great fun

[steady geyser]

What, like a challenge in this server?

[pure karma]

lvl 20? damn I have gone up to 11 I think

[rapid forum]

yes, hades monthly challenge. All of it are pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat

[prisma wind]

Yeah, it was this one #h1-builds-and-combat message

[steady geyser]

Ah ok, thanks

[obtuse whale]

Do you have to purchase the diamond in river styx in order for the titan blood to appear again? I had diamond appear for 3 times in a row and I’m getting sus

[prisma wind]

Nah, it's just random

[obtuse whale]

Curse my rng

[pure karma]

Wasn't there a list with boons that can be pomed?

[void vigil]

The wiki has every boon on gods pages with a note if it can’t be pommed but there was a list somewhere

[devout terrace]

Hades wiki

[void vigil]

what about it?

[fickle fox]

Damn we can't thread here

Do you want me to just paste the list?

I'm just going to paste it here

For reference purposes, this is a list put together by Bright01 of all non-Legendary, non-Duo boons that cannot be Pommed:

**Aphrodite **
Life Affirmation
Broken Resolve
Blown Kiss (requires Crush Shot)

** Ares **
Blood Frenzy
Engulfing Vortex (requires Slicing Shot, Blade Dash, or Ares' Aid)
Dire Misfortune (requires Curse of Agony or Curse of Pain)

** Artemis **
none 😔

** Athena **
Sure Footing
Deathless Stand
Last Stand

** Demeter **
Rare Crop
Nourished Soul
Ravenous Will
Arctic Blast (requires Frost Strike, Frost Flourish, Mistral Dash, Demeter's Aid or Snow Burst)
Killing Freeze (requires Frost Strike, Frost Flourish, Mistral Dash, Demeter's Aid or Snow Burst)

** Dionysus **
Premium Vintage
Strong Drink
After Party

** Poseidon **
Ocean's Bounty
Sunken Treasure

** Zeus **
none 😔

[fickle fox]

Pinging you for the above list

[boreal gale]

Miniboss rooms can't have a Satyr sack right?

[fickle fox]

They can

[boreal gale]

Oh

[fickle fox]

It can never be the first room

It's a 50% chance to be the second room

A 5% chance to be the last

Not sure about the 3rd/4th

[boreal gale]

I've never come across a miniboss room with a sack, so I was convinced you couldn't lol

[fickle fox]

It's just purely random after the first one. You'll get it eventually. 😉

I don't know if getting it on a mini boss is what you want or not though so maybe "You'll get it eventually 😔"

[boreal gale]

Im not searching for it, just usually Miniboss rooms have the best rewards, I've found, so it's nice to know I can take them and still get sacks

[raw herald]

It's 54% for second and 2-3% for last

[whole comet]

though, i notice something odd

it seems like if 2 rooms r non-boon and 3 rooms r boons

if you pick 1st non-boon, 2nd non-boon room seem a bit higher to get sack

i could be wrong though

and not always happen, just feel that way

[livid zealot]

what aspect shall i go for on the gun? 😄

[whole comet]

i think people likes eris or hestia kinda equally?

personally i like hestia more because

there's a fun hammer upgrade that increase ur special range and power to 300%, but u take damage too

[brisk trail]

What is the hardest mini boss?

[whole comet]

eris wants u to stand in the special blast, so makes that hammer a bit conflicting

i hate the pink butterfly the most

[livid zealot]

sounds fun 🙂

i hate that shifting thing

[brisk trail]

Atleast you can destory all the butterflies

[boreal gale]

Pink Butterfly or Witches Circle for mw

[brisk trail]

Probaly hard because of all the stupid soul thing(idk what the weaponless champion is called)

[thorny crescent]

Witches circle is so stupid

[livid zealot]

is witches circle the one where you get 10 fps in asphodel?

[whole comet]

it's the worst thing now to me, running lots of fresh file hell mode and i see it, i half wanna give up most of the time...

[brisk trail]

Its madness

literally bullet hell

[thorny crescent]

i kinda love it because of how stupid it is

Touhou tutorial bosses be like

[brisk trail]

Atleast some boon can destory all of them in second

[whole comet]

i think depends on ur weapon choice, mini-boss difficult could varies

so hard to say the hardest

[brisk trail]

I kinda struggled on asterius miniboss fight

[whole comet]

still, hate the pink butterfly

[prisma wind]

It's pretty subjective for me, depends on build, pacts and if it's a new(ish) save or not. Over all maybe Tiny Vermin? I don't think there's any one miniboss that is actually objectively worse than the rest

[brisk trail]

not anymore but hes annoying

[whole comet]

it's normal asterius, right?

[brisk trail]

Asterius on his own

[whole comet]

i can give u a hint of his pattern

wanna hear it?

[brisk trail]

I already get it

[whole comet]

alright 😄

[brisk trail]

Most of the damage I take is from his spin or charge because im so stupid

[livid zealot]

tell me please 😛

[whole comet]

about asterius?

[livid zealot]

sure, a hint about his pattern, or how to dodge him when hes chasing you, that alwasy gets me

[whole comet]

well, the chasing one, u just dash through pillar

back and forth until he hits it

did u take a lot of damage from his swing?

[livid zealot]

the swing is okay, its when he decides to jump the whole screen

[whole comet]

but do you know, if he only does the jump once

he will always follow up with 2 instant swing

and after that, does not move for like 2-3 sec?

[livid zealot]

oh okay, i didnt realise that

[whole comet]

watch his animation

if he does the one that put his axe back on shoulder

it would mean he does a 1 jump attack combo

[livid zealot]

right

[whole comet]

which always follow up with instant 2 swing

so, if 1 jump, just stand back

after the 2nd swing, he won't move a while

give u time to full damage on him

if he does 3 jump, he will still not move, but less than that

and he tends not to do the same thing

if he does the 3 jump, then next attack he either can do bull charge or 1 jump

[livid zealot]

great stuff

[frigid fossil]

Omg.......Im on ps4 and my controller s battery died and the game didnt pause. How they overlooked something like this?

[livid zealot]

i should be more patient too i think

to be more aware of these opportunities

[whole comet]

i think most people tend do go in after his 1 jump

and got hit by that instant swing

i think that's all i would say

phase 2 he has some new attack, but should be easy to read,

[livid zealot]

than ks:)

the gun definitely feels very strong

[whole comet]

oh i should add this

phase 2, asterius could also just jump attack

only the combo, he's charging up, 2 swing, 1 jump, 2 instant swing, then he won't move

so should keep an eye on that

in phase 2 if he just jump attack, he could follow up with any attack

[livid zealot]

right

[pure karma]

Thanks, I made it into a txt file for future reference

[brisk trail]

Random question lol:
I wonder how ambrosia tastes like

[devout terrace]

[pure karma]

Supposedly it tastes different every time

[whole comet]

lol like those harry potter all flavor bean O_O

[thorny crescent]

You ever just go for a Chadseidon cast build and kill every boss in like two casts

Good times

[cunning olive]

helo

[high island]

Please credit the original author, Bright01, when copying somebody's entire post, though.

[cunning olive]

i have issu when i lunch the game ther is this bug reporter that coms up and when i compelet it the game will close and when i lunch it agane bug reporter will com up agane and if i dont complete it game wil get closed whatt do i do

[fickle fox]

What platform do you have the game on?

[cunning olive]

pc

[fickle fox]

As in steam epic etc

[cunning olive]

no i have the fitgirl crack : |

[fickle fox]

I mean

That's a pretty good reason for this issue

[cunning olive]

o realy

so cuz its crack it dozent lunch?

[fickle fox]

Buying the game would definitely help solve your problem

[brisk trail]

When u poor

I can see the reason why you pirate Hades

maybe

[cunning olive]

im in iran dolor is so expensive its like buying the game or having a 5 tsherts

[brisk trail]

5 tshirts?

[cunning olive]

yea

[devout terrace]

[fickle fox]

That's the absolute weirdest way I've ever heard the price of something described

[devout terrace]

state of #h1-discussion

[fickle fox]

It's like 15 t-shirts

[cunning olive]

dolor is so expensive

[brisk trail]

No offense but your english is slighty broken so It could be something different

[fickle fox]

Each T-Shirt being £1

[devout terrace]

Thats some killer value

Ngl

[brisk trail]

Try saving up money

[devout terrace]

[brisk trail]

then buy it when you think its enough

[fickle fox]

Tesco pal, they sell them at like 5 t-shirts for £5

[cunning olive]

o what wtf is that ok let me tell you like this its half of what i get a month for working at shou stor

[fickle fox]

Anyway

[devout terrace]

This is the funniest thing

[brisk trail]

shou stor
I couldnt get the meaning lol

[fickle fox]

I don't know SGG's policy but I assume this isn't the place to discuss global economics and the exploitation of labour.

[thorny crescent]

shoe store

[cunning olive]

agreed

[brisk trail]

We probaly aint even suppose to be talking about pirated games lol

[fickle fox]

Also let's not attack people's inability to speak English it's both ableist and racist.

[thorny crescent]

I’ve been dealing with broken english for years i can translate this no worries

[cunning olive]

sorry i suck at typing

[thorny crescent]

It’s ok

[brisk trail]

Wait, bad english is a race?

[fickle fox]

Not having English as your first language

[granite ether]

I mean you can, if it's in a respectful manner and in #off-topic-discussion

[cunning olive]

wait really

?

[fickle fox]

If you genuinely believe everybody is just like born speaking English please go read a Wikipedia page

[brisk trail]

idk

💀

[thorny crescent]

The dude was asking for tech support and ya’ll are out here lecturing people 💀

[brisk trail]

I dont blame people bad english but they can be confusing sometimes

[cunning olive]

ok ok stop talking about how bad i am at english

[brisk trail]

anyways do you have a job

I know this is stupid question lol

[cunning olive]

yea why asking

[fickle fox]

Pretty sure this isn't about Hades at this point

[brisk trail]

try save that money you get to buy the game

[thorny crescent]

anyway if you don’t have a way to purchase the game the only thing i can really recommend is searching for other cracks

[granite ether]

and in regards to tech support for Hades, if its a cracked copy of the game, there really isn't much to help with that if it ain't working

[thorny crescent]

Googling it online

I don’t support piracy but if there’s really no other way then that’s your only option at this point

[brisk trail]

Just becareful so your pc wont get destoryed in few clicks

[cunning olive]

im telling you i can buy the game but its so expensive wuld you give half month salary to a game?

[fickle fox]

I mean I literally have before now

Wait

[thorny crescent]

I can give you some site names in dms but that’s about it

[fickle fox]

No week, not month, but anyway

[cunning olive]

i get... let me see... 40$ a month

[brisk trail]

Is it fine to mention the site directly here?
no?

[granite ether]

no

[whole comet]

i really dun think this is the best place to talk about pirate stuff....

[brisk trail]

oh

[thorny crescent]

Definitely not

[fickle fox]

You realise that this is the official SGG discord

[brisk trail]

anyways hades discussion time lol

[thorny crescent]

Yes

Poseidon is a chad

i have contributed

[brisk trail]

What is the fastest possible way to die(included in hellmode)

[high island]

Reminder for everyone that promoting or encouraging software piracy is a violation of Discord Community Guidelines and can result in your account getting banned.

[granite ether]

☝️

[whole comet]

sounds about right

[brisk trail]

Are we screwed?

[fickle fox]

In the second room get hit by the two big enemies until you die

[whole comet]

best just put it behind and talk about something else, right?

[fickle fox]

Death in about 40s total from starting the file to death?

[thorny crescent]

Are you doing a death speedrun?

chad ngl

[brisk trail]

Getting that one achilles dialogue so can get guan you 👍

[thorny crescent]

oh

Do some other achievements instead

[brisk trail]

It worth the few minutes of constantly dying

[thorny crescent]

Like it’s better to do multiple guests at the same time than just focusing on one

[whole comet]

i think if u die too fast, even hypnos would taunt u

[thorny crescent]

Beat the game with 20+ minutes of reserve time

[obtuse whale]

does the.. ugh three diamond thing which lets you have a reroll with every key room work with persuation (the green version)?

[thorny crescent]

Elaborate

[thin canyon]

yes

[fickle fox]

You get an extra dice for whichever fateful you have active, even if you have zero points in that skill.

Which is relevant for the pact that turns off mirror skills, because you will still get the dice to use.

[obtuse whale]

omg thank you!! you guys got it even with my absolutely top tier description

[brisk trail]

what is the hardest attack to dodge

[last veldt]

The ones that hit you

[high island]

Cerberus.

[brisk trail]

I hate that part

50 damage and it covers the whole place

[clear python]

:0

[thorny crescent]

Screw extreme measures 4
All my homies hate extreme measures 4

[fast willow]

house contractor trying to get me to buy extremer measures when i havent even beaten EM1

[thorny crescent]

EM1 isn’t too bad

Nor is EM2

EM3 is where the bs factors rise

And EM4 can just go die in a pit of dead Zagreus bodies honestly

[fast willow]

also pretty funny that this run i lost a DD to alecto but then only took 2 hits on hades

[thorny crescent]

Alecto can destroy depending on how much setup your build needs tbh

Like some builds just need certain duos to work

For example any Ares build ever

[fast osprey]

Hey folks! I dont know id this is the right place to ask, but is there a discord for hades speedrunning? I tried to google but couldn't find anything!

[burnt breach]

the modding and speedrunning server invites are pinned in #self-promotion

[fast osprey]

Cool! thanks! Im like a boomer when it comes to discord. I appreciate the help!

[burnt breach]

👍

[oak gull]

But don't you love the sick riffs?

[chrome wharf]

and spending more quality time with dad?

[heady cypress]

Finally unlocked beo any build recommendations?

[reef zodiac]

Passion flare mirage shot

[sour elk]

I always love Ares Cast Beowulf

[reef zodiac]

Artemis is best on attack but fine or special or call

Poseidon is best on dash but fine on special or call

[heady cypress]

Just to make sure

[reef zodiac]

Demeter is great for snow burst

[heady cypress]

Beo is like hera right?

Same playstyle and everything

[reef zodiac]

Very different playstyle

[heady cypress]

?

[reef zodiac]

It’s a shield

[heady cypress]

Well

[sour elk]

You are flying around the map doing sick dragon combos

[heady cypress]

I was talking about the cast load thing

[heady cypress]

?

[reef zodiac]

Ohh yes. That’s not “playstyle”, that’s mechanics

[heady cypress]

Yeah I'm dumb

Hera is just loading every cast, doing a power shot and repeating

[reef zodiac]

Kinda. There are a lot of situations where you don’t load every cast

[heady cypress]

Beo is also moving you while doing the deed

[sour elk]

You’ll get it when you play with it. Charged Shot hammer is awesome with Beowulf, basically get Hera with a Rama attack width

[heady cypress]

For example when you try to kill small stuff right

[reef zodiac]

Beo especially doesn’t want to automatically load every cast every time

Beo with charged shot is also stupid fast when you get the hang of it

[heady cypress]

What's charged shot again

Sounds like a bow hammer

[reef zodiac]

Makes your bull rush a projectile

It’s my favorite hammer in the game probably

[sour elk]

It is extremely fun

[heady cypress]

Sounds

Confusing af

[reef zodiac]

It’s really not

It just shoots a projectile instead of moving you

Pretty simple

[sour elk]

Nope, you find a nice corner and snipe goons with your cast attacks

Simple as

[heady cypress]

So I need that charged shot hammer

Arty on attack

Zeus on dash

[reef zodiac]

No definitely don’t need it

And definitely not Zeus on dash

[heady cypress]

Meant poseidon

My brain stopped

[reef zodiac]

Artemis and Poseidon are best on attack and dash respectively, but it doesn’t really matter as long as Artemis isn’t on dash (that’s not a prereq for Mirage Shot) and Poseidon isn’t on attack (that’s just really bad). For cast, I suggest Passion Flare

But you can also just to Flood Flare to get mirage easier

[heady cypress]

What's mirage shot again

[reef zodiac]

Doubles your cast

[heady cypress]

I still have problems with the English names

[reef zodiac]

And it’s bugged with Beo so the clone does full damage

[heady cypress]

That's a duo boon right?

[reef zodiac]

Yeah

[heady cypress]

Or is it the legendary

[reef zodiac]

It’s Poseidon and Artemis duo

[heady cypress]

Oh ok

[reef zodiac]

It’s the best Beowulf boon

It’s busted

Snow Burst is also really good btw

[heady cypress]

Is that the demeter boon which makes things go boom when you use your cast?

[reef zodiac]

The best casts are Flood Flare for easier Mirage Shot (since you only need to see one other god instead of two), Passion Flare for damage, or Trippy Flare for way more damage but you do Stygian Soul and are reliant on chaos giving you bloodstones

I personally prefer passion for high heat and flood for speedruns

Trippy is really fun though, if you get good enough luck with Chaos, because the poms literally do twice as much as they say so the damage can get pretty stupid

[heady cypress]

What if I'm just planning to play 5-10heat

[reef zodiac]

Then do whatever you want!

Whichever sounds fun

If you want, you can even do some weird stuff and use some of the bad casts

[sour elk]

Everything Pancake is saying is optimal, but for amazing fun, pure Ares plus Artemis attack for Hunting Blades is beautiful

[heady cypress]

Why does that sound so mad lol

[reef zodiac]

Did you know that Slicing Flare doesn’t benefit from vicious cycle?

[sour elk]

Making Blade Rifts that cover the entire arena and instaphase low heat bosses

[reef zodiac]

Idk. I meant like “do whatever sounds fun for you ”

[sour elk]

And no, I did not

[reef zodiac]

Yeah but isn’t that better with Achilles anyway

You get the 150% damage boost and can send them out much faster

[sour elk]

Better, yes, but still not the joy of Beowulf dragon things

[reef zodiac]

I don’t understand

[sour elk]

I just like the Beowulf Bull Rush charge visuals more

[reef zodiac]

I like doing damage with Beowulf, so it’s not for me

[robust anvil]

Do I need to do anything to get thanatos to show up in the house? I need to give him ambrosia but he's just never there

I've unlocked the gold heart and all that he just doesn't show up

[high island]

You only want Tidal Dash on Beowulf if you have Charged Shot. Assuming you don't have Flood Flare and want Poseidon for Mirage Shot, you're better off taking Tempest Flourish over Tidal Dash to unlock it if you don't have Charged Shot yet.

[reef zodiac]

Oh ok

[sour elk]

Yes, it is very much a 4fun type of build

[reef zodiac]

Yeah I know, it just find it actually painful to do almost no cast damage with Beo so it’s not for me

[high island]

Problem with Tidal Dash if you don't have Charged Shot is you Dash-Strike into an enemy to charge your Dragon Rush, but then your Dash knocks them away, so you either whiff your Dragon Rush or need to charge much longer to hit them. Wastes a lot of time.

[reef zodiac]

Yeah that makes sense

I think I just use Charged Shot too often

[robust anvil]

Do I need to do anything to get thanatos to show up in the house or am I just really unlucky? I need to give him ambrosia but he's just never there.

[high island]

Just gotta get lucky.

[lone kernel]

Why? Tidal dash gud no?

[robust anvil]

Thought as much. Wanted to make sure. It's been like 20 runs now that I haven't been able to gift him anything

[high island]

I just explained why.

[lone kernel]

Oh, yes you did my bad my screen just showed the first message. Sorry about myself, sad Aphrodite noises etc

[high island]

If you actually made Lady Aphrodite sad, I would have you fed to my sacred crocodiles.

[lone kernel]

I have been a crocodile this whole time

Crocodile cannibalism is frowned upon

[high island]

I stand by what I said.

[keen raven]

Tiny vermin is harder to beat than Hades
Lol

[random eagle]

Not sure if it still works but I believe it does. If you can’t find who you’re looking for in the hub just walk into Zag’s room and then back into the main hub area and there’s a small chance a person you were looking for appears. At least, that’s how I forced a lot of dialogue for my game

[late acorn]

Damn went into hades EM4 with 4 death defiances and got my ass handed to me

[gray apex]

Lol

[heady cypress]

How often can you use Meg against dad?

Once per phase or once in total?

[gray apex]

Once in total

[heady cypress]

Sad noises

[gray apex]

Pick your phase

[heady cypress]

Where should I use it

[chrome wharf]

it's always been once per room so

[heady cypress]

But-

Daddy is special or sumn I just want an excuse for using it twice

[chrome wharf]

I always try to big brain and use it on the summons but I miss more than not

[reef zodiac]

That’s only really worth going for in EM4

[chrome wharf]

yeah I mean EM4

[gray apex]

If I'm speedrunning I use it right as the fight starts, if not I leave it for second phase or use it as a panic button if things arent looking too good

[heady cypress]

I never doing em4

Tried it a couple of times and decided that it's too early for me

[reef zodiac]

Oh yeah for EM4 definitely try to Meg in 1C and hit the minions

[chrome wharf]

and I mean [EM4] ||Daddy only uses his summon once, so it's only fair that you do the same||

[keen obsidian]

i think hades takes place pretty far in the future

[reef zodiac]

Unless your DPS is really good. Then just worry about hitting him but still Meg in 1C

[oak gull]

I like using Sysiphus' summon.

Partially because you can do some fun tricks with it, but mostly because of the quick resupply you get off it.

[reef zodiac]

Shady is good for some meme runs I guess

I guess just max gold

[oak gull]

so which summon do you typically run with?

[reef zodiac]

Always Meg

100% of the time

[oak gull]

played around with it, don't like it at all

[reef zodiac]

Why

What’s not to like about 2.5K damage (5K total on Champions)?

[mint coral]

I normally run meg, sometimes than to mess with his ability to backstab

[whole comet]

anyone ever tries to do a run with mirror upgrade all purple or green?

[fickle fox]

I mean lots of people yes

People have done runs with no mirror at all

[brisk trail]

yeah I used to just do purple bc I didnt know there was green

[whole comet]

does it feel like all green is a lot harder?

all purple surely feels a lot more powerful, or maybe just the double dash

[reef zodiac]

Nah all purple is probably harder because Dark Foresight

[gray apex]

All green could be a bit trickier I guess

Because 1 dash + high confidence

[reef zodiac]

Yeah but no dark foresight

Dark Foresight is better than Greater Reflex, hot take

And plus RR is actually pretty good, just a lot worse than GR except on shields and Gilgamesh

[fickle fox]

I think the best builds are mostly all purple except the bottom 4 options

[reef zodiac]

God’s Pride is better than God’s Legacy on 90% of builds

And I prefer Stygian Soul on most builds

[fickle fox]

God's Legacy helps me get Merciful End

[signal aspen]

purple doom is gud

[fickle fox]

And that's the only strategy I care to use. 😤

[spare tiger]

Legacy is Legend/Duo boons right?

[twin thistle]

one duo boon isnt very hard to target

[chrome wharf]

yes

[spare tiger]

yeah i prefer pride

[reef zodiac]

Pride leads to purple Hermes

[fickle fox]

But I want it before Asphodel, thanks.

Either way both are good

[reef zodiac]

It’s extremely hard to get purple Hermes without Pride

3% chance

Becomes 23%

[fickle fox]

I don't think that's how % works

[reef zodiac]

It is.

That’s how it works

[fickle fox]

1-(0.97*0.8)

[reef zodiac]

I’m 100% sure that’s how it works TamiJo

[twin thistle]

the mirror rarity increases are additive from what i know

including the 20% from dark foresight

[reef zodiac]

Just like how Legacy actually makes your odds of legendary or duo go from 10% to 20%

[reef zodiac]

Yep. It’s insane

[fickle fox]

So they just work different from the in run bonuses?

[reef zodiac]

No

[fickle fox]

Err

[twin thistle]

well those are additive with each other too

so

[reef zodiac]

Chaos rarity is also additive

[fickle fox]

Having over 100% Dodge doesn't make you invincible

[reef zodiac]

That’s a totally different thing

Literally not comparable

[twin thistle]

also dmg resis is multiplicative but still stuff like attack/special +dmg% are additive

[fickle fox]

So different % modifiers are treated differently based on what they're modifying?

[reef zodiac]

Yes

[pure karma]

Can you guys recommend a good action roguelike

[reef zodiac]

Yeah, have you played Hades?

[fickle fox]

Hollow Knight Randomiser 👀

[pure karma]

[reef zodiac]

I wouldn’t call that an “action roguelike” (yes I’ve done it)

[pure karma]

I am levelling Persephone's keepsake. I wonder what I can play that really gets boosted a lot by poms. No bow

[reef zodiac]

Trippy Flare

Lvl 1 common: 100 damage
Lvl 2 common: 220 damage

It’s bugged

Poms do twice as much as they say they do

[whole comet]

Zeus attack with fist could be fun

[reef zodiac]

Meaning it has by far the best pom scaling in the game

Lightning strike has terrible pom scaling

[whole comet]

or maybe gun with Ares special? gun's aoe already did high dmg, and follow up with high level doom 😄

[signal aspen]

no

[reef zodiac]

Ares special also has bad pom scaling

Plus, rail special with Ares is awful

Definitely casts benefit the most from poms. Trippy flare doubly so

[mint coral]

hangover with eris/chiron

oh wait no bow, then eris lol

[twin thistle]

since the special already does good dmg better to just have a high% boon

[whole comet]

hangover atk right?

[fickle fox]

Can I interest you in my lord and saviour Merciful End?

Upgrading Ares Damage on that sounds good

[reef zodiac]

ME doesn’t really need poms but they’re alright

I’m telling you if you want nutty pom scaling then casts are definitely the way to go

Especially Beowulf Trippy Flare

[whole comet]

lol actually one strange one comes in mind

[fickle fox]

Hestia(?) Bow sounds good

[mint coral]

thats only on beo btw

[whole comet]

what happens if you lvl up the artemis boon that increase crit damage

and goes with the crit sword 😄

[fickle fox]

Hera bow? I have no idea what anything is called

[gray apex]

It's weaker than it sounds

[twin thistle]

hera bow

[fickle fox]

Ty

[reef zodiac]

Right, I always forget that it’s called trippy flare for Hera as well

[fickle fox]

That's the one that loads the cast right?

I assume it is from context of the above

[reef zodiac]

Yeah crush shot has great pom scaling

Hera Crush Shot is a good place for mom pom

But if you can get chamber 1 trippy flare with pom blossom, you can do some really spectacular damage

[mint coral]

got sub 2 tartarus with eris drunken strike, how

not even fo2

[pure karma]

Is it me, or is the enemy spawn animation faster with FO?

[mint coral]

it is

thats why is one of the pacts you take for speedruns

[whole comet]

if might just say attack speed/move speed

but it's more like, the whole thing speeds, spawn animation included

[reef zodiac]

FO2 actually does a lot for speed

[pure karma]

Yeah seems more like action speed in general

[whole comet]

i guess it could be good for speedrunner if they spawn out quicker?

[reef zodiac]

Also makes Jolted proc much more often

[reef zodiac]

Lmao yes it would be good for a speedrunner to save time

[mint coral]

that one beneffit package also does the same (and combined with fo2 the spawn is super fast)

[whole comet]

still having a hard time to do FO2 consistently though

FO2 and armored units with atk speed perk

[reef zodiac]

True, but BP isn’t worth taking because it can slow you down a lot

[whole comet]

welll, those fat guys almost instant charge, or missile enemies O_O

[reef zodiac]

Yeah I get hit by FO2 speeder louts all the time

[mint coral]

i mean it was considered to save time in runs, but it kinda just ended up as a 50-50
on one side: armored enemies earlier/shorter rooms
other side: popper goes and the one that increases hp goes brr

[whole comet]

actually, the worst prolly is the armored charriot

or asterius bull charge

[reef zodiac]

Yeah exactly. Plus cloner and warper can also lose time I’m sure

[twin thistle]

savior

[reef zodiac]

Just use a shield

[mint coral]

cloner isnt that bad, if you dont confuse which one is the real ig

which im sure not capable of that

got exclusive access in tartarus and the hermes boons were swift flourish and greater haste

[cyan tiger]

cloner is bad when ur in elysium and the witch thingies clone and chuck 18 balls at u with no divine dash

[reef zodiac]

We’re talking about speedruns btw

[whole comet]

green dash and fist

it's all fresh run all coming back XD

[mint coral]

isnt cloner a tartarus only perk tho?

[whole comet]

granted, u're still better off with other upgrade

[reef zodiac]

Yes

[whole comet]

but it becomes u suddenly would lose DD unexpectedly to easy things...

[reef zodiac]

All green mirror is easier than all purple mirror fight me

[whole comet]

oh wait, at least fresh file you're 100% athena dash

so all missile could be annoying now

[reef zodiac]

Wtf is “missile”

[mint coral]

another of gettiing fully loaded on non cast builds

[ripe otter]

If you’re saying what they offer (as in having stubborn and persuasion) then yeah, I agree. Stubborn defiance and fated persuasion are super good, and gods legacy just goes great with persuasion

[reef zodiac]

Also are you trying to say that all green mirror is harder than fresh file?

[mint coral]

is mainly dark foresight

[reef zodiac]

No, it’s all about Dark Foresight

[mint coral]

all purple side doesnt feel that bad unless you start using DF ww

[ripe otter]

Oh yeah, forgot about that. Yeah. Dark foresight is broken as hell

Like, there is no reason to have gods favor over dark foresight

Sorry, Olympian favor

[reef zodiac]

Yep

[whole comet]

i'm getting too comfortable with purple dash lol

[ripe otter]

I actually prefer it because mobility good

[mint coral]

ruthless is more for fun

[ripe otter]

But that’s my opinion

[whole comet]

agree yeah

but then

occassionally i like to switch around things

[ripe otter]

ALSO BECAUSE WITH HERMÈS I CAN GET FIVE DASHES

[whole comet]

would be boring to just stick with one build all the time

oh i'm 100% avoid Hermes dash

[mint coral]

6 dashes if eury/grandma is nice

[ripe otter]

Trueeee

Me when dash deflect with 5 dashes:

[gray apex]

7 Dashes if you play the best aspect in the game

[mint coral]

gilga dashes sucks tho better just running RR

[gray apex]

How dare you

[ripe otter]

Me when I know aspect of Arthur is better than Gilgamesh

[reef zodiac]

Literally everything is better than Gilgamesh

[gray apex]

I don’t think I have a win with it

Maybe I did one long ago for the prophecy

[ripe otter]

I love the spect of Lucifer

All the cool interactions you can get with the beam, especially doom with Dire Misfortune, are just mega fun. ESPECIALLY if you got that with infinite ammo and the fast fire hammer

[heady cypress]

Finally managed to get em4 dad's first bar after using hestia for the first time and then I died to td2

[reef zodiac]

Even with Lucifer, dire misfortune still sucks

[whole comet]

argh, why demeter thessus so hard with green dash... 😦

[reef zodiac]

Bro don’t you do fresh file? Why are you not used to having one dash?

[gray apex]

Lol

[reef zodiac]

🤨

[gaunt geyser]

Think I figured out why super giant didn't want hephaestus in the game... his dialogue with athena would've been... awful...
http://01greekmythology.blogspot.com/2013/11/athena-and-hephaestus.html?m=1#:~:text=The goddess of earth%2C Gaea,raised it as her own.

Heads up, not a very nice tale...

[fickle fox]

I mean

The story centres around Hades, Zeus, and Persephone

They just straight up rewrote it because like most Greek myths involving women, it's not particularly nice.

[whole comet]

it is just like disney

took away some of the terrible things from the original source

[fickle fox]

Nobody would ever tell a Greek myth ever again if they didn't just ignore all that stuff.

[drifting sluice]

Yeah, it was real weird to me that Demeter kept calling all of them foster siblings like she wasn't chilling in Cronus' stomach with them

[whole comet]

some of the bits are definitely accurate

like Zag and Dio could be the same god in a way

[gaunt geyser]

Yeah but you always get small tidbits of greek myths interwined with the story, for example super giants way of explaining zagerues orpheus and dionysus (zagreus and dionysus kind of being the same person in the followings of orpheus)

[fickle fox]

no

I mean

They just decided that Persephone went willingly

[whole comet]

or Thanatos seems to dislike Sis a bit

[fickle fox]

They rewrote that whole storyline

Because she did not

[whole comet]

if you know the original story, you'll know why

well, Hades is not retelling greek myth

[gaunt geyser]

I mean persephone was the original underworld god at some point before ( her name appears a lot sooner than hades)

[fickle fox]

Everything in this game is just a pleasant retelling of horrific events

[whole comet]

if they reuse the original source that Hades took her by force

could spark some discussion?

[fickle fox]

They are retelling a very specific Greek myth in this, in which Persephone is taken from Olympus by Hades.

[whole comet]

they DID mention it though

[gaunt geyser]

But I dont think super giant can avoid some stories, for example, all of zeuses and heras "misdeeds"

[whole comet]

in one of the Hades encounter, hades say

"I told her, boy. I took her down with me."

[fickle fox]

Like, a huge content note going forward for sexual assault, I think.

[whole comet]

that maybe a reference to the real story

[fickle fox]

They do talk about how ||she was given as a gift||

[whole comet]

cause from original story, that seems to the true

no, the original source, Hades did take her by force

[gaunt geyser]

Aaaa

[whole comet]

so the gift part is Supergiant version

but the part about since mom is gone, winter all years is true

demeter was outrage and refuse to recreate spring and summer

[gaunt geyser]

Yeah she was obviously taken by zeus and given to hades (in this story like a white elephant).
Its made pretty clear at the same time that she didn't care much (which i dont believe is ever told in greek myths)

[whole comet]

and olypmian didn't find out until later

the original story, would be fun to check it out

like Cindarea, you know the part the sisters try to wear the shoes?

in the original source, they cut their feets off a bit to try fit the shoes.

something like that,

[gaunt geyser]

I think zeus was involved in the capture of persephone in actual mythology. Whether she wanted to go or if hades asked zeus to do it, I dont believe is actually cannon (hades wanted zeus to help capture her)

One thing for sure is certain DEMETER DID NOT WANT HER TO GO in basically all versions of the story

[whole comet]

greek myth is strange

[gaunt geyser]

But if you look in tales like the back story of orpheus and eurydice, it does infact seem like hades did care for persephone as she was moved by orpheuses music and got hades to give eurydice a chance to leave

[whole comet]

seems like a lot of people are telling the same story, but each with different perspective

like the Orpheus story

all agree he fails his quest because he looks back

some says he looks back at the last second b4 he made out

[hexed smelt]

that's how literally all mythology is, to be fair.

[whole comet]

some says he made it out and look back,but Euru the shade had not reached yet, so he fails

[hexed smelt]

human beings have always liked to tell stories to each other, and we've always liked to change details around

[gaunt geyser]

True, greek mythology is still being written today

[whole comet]

etc

only somethings are common, like the season thing

half year Zag's mom spend on surface, half on underworld

which explains the season

[gaunt geyser]

As I said earlier , persephone was actually the original underworld god

Hades was written after

[whole comet]

well, it's all good i guess?

Hades is a great game with a greek myth skin

dun care the detail or accurancy too much

[gaunt geyser]

In fairness, they definitely did this so hades wasn't doing his neace

[whole comet]

though, sometimes i seem to get some bad pancake for breakfast while playing

[gaunt geyser]

Please do, only a few minor thing are inaccurate this game has SOOOOO many small details

[whole comet]

what i mean is

i'm not gonna check all of them

i kinda already know lots of them 😄

[gaunt geyser]

Seriously such an impressive game honestly when it comes to story telling

[whole comet]

but if that gets u interested in greek myth, i guess more fun to u

at the very least, more accurate then God of War O_O

what happen to all the gods? well according to GOW, they... got fatality XD

[gaunt geyser]

But I still theorise super giant couldn't figure out how to have hephaestus and hera in the game without mentioning certain tales (i guess they could just ignore them)

[whole comet]

it is possible they just wanna reserve chars for future?

like pandora box, also very famous

[gaunt geyser]

Honestly that's what I hope for

The fact that only 3 olmpions are missing is odd to me

Like hera, hephaestus and apollo

[fickle fox]

Hera is in the game a bit

Also mechanics just come first sometimes

[gaunt geyser]

Im also interested if they make appllo and artimese best friends or artimese hate apollo

[fickle fox]

They just decided this was the right number

[whole comet]

it is possible too many gods would be too many mechanic

[gaunt geyser]

True

But hephaestus could've atleast had the hammer lol. I love daedulus and all but like... ya made a labyrinth and some wings my guy

[whole comet]

acutally, i dun even know daedulus until i play hades lol

so i guess it does help introduce new greek name to me

[gaunt geyser]

Hes like a side character in very well known stories lmao

[whole comet]

i wonder if they were trying to tease a potential sequel

but in game, one of the end game zag and mom dialogue

[gaunt geyser]

Being icarus (flew to close to the son boy) and minotaur (he built the labyrinth)

[whole comet]

she said: "maybe one day we will find a way for you to reach Olypmian"

who knows, maybe if a squel happens, Zag could leave the surface

[gaunt geyser]

Its not like zageruess adopted mother is the daughter of the creation event in greek mythology or anything...

Idk if at somepoint it was said. But I really don't know why chaos doesn't intervene and help zagerues out more

[lavish atlas]

The hammers were originally boons of Hephaestus but playtest feedback was that it was really confusing how these boons altered weapons while no other god boons did

[reef zodiac]

Chaos gave me 3 bloodstones and 70% cast damage in a Beowulf speedrun once. They’re helping plenty

[gaunt geyser]

Lol thats very fair

[gaunt geyser]

I guess that makes sense.

[whole comet]

but why change the god too? it could still look like hammer right?

[lavish atlas]

IDK that one. Perhaps people going in with prior knowledge of the pantheon would still be confused

[gaunt geyser]

I do recall super giant saying in a qna they also didn't want every item to have dialogue in it and wanted some to feel different

[lavish atlas]

Like when you first encounter Artemis Zag was like "there's only one divine archer I know of" and I thought I was gonna see Apollo

[gaunt geyser]

Didn't he mutter "...several actually" or something?

[lavish atlas]

Possibly, I don't remember now xD

[whole comet]

lol i also thought of artemis when they say archer

apollo is the sun god

would expect something like "so bright"

[reef zodiac]

This isn’t hollow Knight

[fickle fox]

They

[gaunt geyser]

Artemis is also a moon god but that's not mentioned nearly as frequently as apollos with the sun

[reef zodiac]

My bad

[gaunt geyser]

Apollo and artimese despite being twins are exact opposites in soooo many things
Like
Artimese
Hunt, moon, virgin, female, chill
Apollo
Farm, sun, definitely not virgin, male, energetic

[whole comet]

gods all have different title

like athena and ares were both war

[gaunt geyser]

Id love to see apollo in hades. Probably my number 1 pick

[lavish atlas]

Apollo is kind of a catch-all god. Archery, healing, music, prophecy, the lyre which was gifted to him by the infant Hermes and so so much more. He and Artemis are both equally known for their archery, it's just that Artemis has fewer other domains to dilute it

[gaunt geyser]

Diffrent aspects of war in fairness

[whole comet]

yeah, both still,

[gaunt geyser]

Athena was strategy, ares was bloodthurst

[whole comet]

not like goddess of defense, just goddess of war

[fickle fox]

Sure, but she was the goddess of actually trying to win a war, Ares was the God of killing things in war.

[whole comet]

they still share the same title

[gaunt geyser]

Athena is probably in the top 3 strongest gods imo

[fickle fox]

Oh yeah, titles are shared out

At various points

[hexed smelt]

strategy vs. bloodlust was always my view on it

[gaunt geyser]

Ares is no where near

[whole comet]

it's all good, and in game they kinda show it

but

[lavish atlas]

Athena had other domains. Goddess of olives, weaving, a few other things I can't quite recall

[whole comet]

athena tends of be known as wisdom

[gaunt geyser]

Aaaa language bot strikes again

[lavish atlas]

Ares mostly just has violence and sometimes being stuck in a jar in a giant's basement

[whole comet]

sooo....

[gaunt geyser]

And a net

[whole comet]

when will we meet Ares sucessor Kratos? XD

[gaunt geyser]

I have never played god of war lop

Ik I need too

[lavish atlas]

Poor dude gets stuck in things a bit 🤣

[gaunt geyser]

In fairness. Not as bad as thanatos

I mean thanatos was only stuck 1 time. But like, man that guy was having a bad day

[lavish atlas]

You gotta be pretty dumb to model your own unbreakable chains for the guy you're supposed to be arresting

Sorry Than, you're officially a himbo

[gaunt geyser]

Thanatos honestly hurts me a little when it comes to the story of sisyphus lol

Embodiement of death
... gets chained by a mortal

[lavish atlas]

He's stuck in the closet (or a chest in some versions)

[vagrant grove]

to be fair, thanatos used to tell people they were about to die before taking them, someone had to take advantage of it at some point

[whole comet]

does feel like the supergiant thanatos is that kinda guy that would fall for obvious trap lol

[gaunt geyser]

Oh hes in the closet 😏

[vagrant grove]

😏

[random kestrel]

I'm entering hades room and I usually use old spiked collar, but would evergreen acorn be better for hades fight?

I have all 3 death defiances

[vagrant grove]

probably, yeah in my opinion

[lavish atlas]

My adorable emo boyfriend who is death incarnate is a total himbo <3

[random kestrel]

Oh ok thanks

[gaunt geyser]

I always go collar but feel free to mix it up

[random kestrel]

Bc ik hades does like a ton of damage

Like 30 min

[whole comet]

if you're not used to Hades, yeah play with acorn is good too

[vagrant grove]

blocking 40x5 damage is usually better than + 50 (or +125) is usually better imo

[random kestrel]

So 5 hits x 30 is 150, while spiked collar gives 125 with all defiances

[random kestrel]

Beat me to it lmao

[vagrant grove]

ha

[gaunt geyser]

You could easily not be hit by one of the 40 attacks first tho...

[lavish atlas]

Acorn is great if you get value out of it. It's not so good if you get hit by three pots xD

[vagrant grove]

yeah, but then what would be the point of collar

[random kestrel]

Yeah that's true

[gaunt geyser]

This

[mint coral]

thats still 3 hits you are not stunned tho (unless i remember wrong and they do anyways)

lucky tooth is also an option (assuming you have it leveled)

[gaunt geyser]

Tho normally I go for spoiler artifact in the final area

Its so awarding at times

[vagrant grove]

[REDACTED]'s keepsake is usually what I go for too

[gaunt geyser]

KEEPSAKE, forgot what they were called lol

[mint coral]

i mostly take acorn or charon keepsakes tbh

tooth if playing on em4

[vagrant grove]

t h i s. charon keepsake with like 3 braids of atlas w/ beo mmmm

[gaunt geyser]

Charons keep sake sounds interesting but because of large shop I normally can't afford it

[twin thistle]

acorn also prevents you from being stunned though

[vagrant grove]

are braids multiplicative or additive?

[mint coral]

additive

[vagrant grove]

so if you had 3, it's +150% cast damage?

[twin thistle]

should be

[gaunt geyser]

I wish I wasn't British so I stop swearing...

[mint coral]

i love that trap damage is multiplicative tbh, routed dad fight where he dies to his pots when

[vagrant grove]

dad can be damaged by pots?

i did not know that

[gaunt geyser]

Does sure footed work with pots?

[random kestrel]

I usually get hit by shockwaves does anyone know how much they do

[vagrant grove]

yes

20 damage usually

[twin thistle]

pots be traps yeah

[random kestrel]

Oh ok

Yeah imma go collar then

[twin thistle]

high security affects pots too

[fickle fox]

Make sure you're trying to dash over them rather than run away

[mint coral]

pots being traps is the reason nobody likes heightened security lol

[gaunt geyser]

I find it weird how some of hades attacks are traps...

[mint coral]

and lava

[gaunt geyser]

Real reason lol

[vagrant grove]

just destroy the bloodstones so shockwaves don't spawn

[twin thistle]

those styx traps sound fun with hs

[vagrant grove]

30 damage x 5

so 150 damage

[gaunt geyser]

Ded

[void vigil]

i swear all the time but never in this server, you just have to keep it in mind typing also gives you time to think before you send the message. and even if you do get warned by the bot, you wont get kicked or banned for swearing too much (as long as you dont do it intentionally and disruptively i suppose..?)

[mint coral]

also is only me or the pots sometimes stack on top of each other in em4 dad?

[fickle fox]

HECC! 😎

[void vigil]

now youve gone and done it!

[vagrant grove]

:0

[gaunt geyser]

I just hate my message being deleted lol

[hexed smelt]

[vagrant grove]

he a bad boyo

[chrome wharf]

yeah it'd be nice if the bot returned the message to the typing box

[twin thistle]

is that even something that can be enabled

[fickle fox]

I don't think a bot could do that

[void vigil]

i dont think its advanced enough for that. maybe it could dm it to you, but it could get pretty spammy, and i imagine that a lot of people would get dms that consist of just swear words lol

[fickle fox]

I'm suddenly in favour of this

A person would very probably spam swears, then report that bot for DMing them profanity

It would be a very funny bit

[void vigil]

and now we know why it doesnt do that haha

[gaunt geyser]

I just hate writing a super long paragraph that has the s word in it and watch it get deleted lol

I get it tho. This server may have younger peeps in it.

[random kestrel]

Anyone know what the icy-ish effect that appears on your screen when hades hits you is

[gaunt geyser]

No clue lol

But id love to know

[vagrant grove]

it's boiling blood, like the mirror upgrade

it happens when he sticks one of his casts in you

[gaunt geyser]

Oh do you just take more dmg with it inflicte

[mint coral]

100% more damage yeah

[gaunt geyser]

Oh f word!

[mint coral]

80 dmg spins coming for you

[whole comet]

you might notice

[gaunt geyser]

Thats actually very scary lol

I never noticed haha

[whole comet]

lots of phase 1 hades is similar to Zag spear

his char attack = zag attack

spin = charge spin

[chrome wharf]

but no toss

[whole comet]

skull = cast

[gaunt geyser]

I guess invisibility = dash kinda

[vagrant grove]

he dashes in phase 2

and in em4

[mint coral]

he gains toss and summon in em4 ye

[vagrant grove]

and in em4, he uses achilles spear rush

[gaunt geyser]

I only beat em4 hades twice 😅

[whole comet]

and i suppose

[gaunt geyser]

That mans scary

[whole comet]

u smash a lot of pots during the game

so Hades gives u more in phase 2 😆

[gaunt geyser]

Starting to think hades would be ok if zagerues had pot cause of em4

[whole comet]

i guess too easy?

[high island]

It does.

[fickle fox]

Aren't there multiple videos of people having >100% Dodge and still taking damage?

[high island]

Hades's spin attack was undodgeable for a time in Early Access.

[whole comet]

lol can u still dash in to avoid?

or must be out of range?

[reef zodiac]

What?

[high island]

An empty Dash has i-frames, so the direction of your Dash doesn't matter.

[whole comet]

well, double dash or hermes

[reef zodiac]

Huh?

[whole comet]

if u keep dashing, can u avoid taking that spin attack in EA?

or must be out of the aoe range?

[reef zodiac]

Do you know what “undodgeable” means

[whole comet]

maybe i should ask it this way

in early access, how'd u deal with spin attack?

[void vigil]

I don’t remember that, nyaa, when was that?

[high island]

Undodgeable as in cannot be dodged with Dodge chance like from Greater Evasion etc.

[void vigil]

Oh

[high island]

You could i-frame it just fine.

[whole comet]

i-frame means dash avoid, right?

[void vigil]

yeah, that did not sound right to me, I definitely though you meant dodge as in dash through/away from

[whole comet]

oh right, there's that dodge status

[void vigil]

Yes it does, you have I-frames while you dash

[whole comet]

means if u're hit and supposed to take damage, but u got 10% to ignore that damage with 10% dodge, something like that

[high island]

Empty dash, Call, and summoning give i-frames.

[whole comet]

I-frame means eye frame, right?

seems like i misunderstand the term?

[reef zodiac]

Eye frame??

Huh??

[whole comet]

oh well,

[reef zodiac]

Tf is an eye frame

[whole comet]

what's I-frame?

[reef zodiac]

Invincibility frame

[whole comet]

u mean all the call?

[high island]

Yes.

[whole comet]

or the one that gives immune like athena

[high island]

Any Call gives i-frames on activation.

[whole comet]

i see

[slim grail]

guys im just wondering

what happens if zeus/hades dies?

i mean... they're not spirits right?

[signal aspen]

They die

[whole comet]

in greek myth, i dun think they had died

[slim grail]

so no heaven/hell?

[fickle fox]

I mean

Hades is literally both

[whole comet]

well, if you believe they exist

then still probably active in modern days

in other words, no one knows

[high island]

If Hades dies, he goes back to the House of Hades just like Zagreus.

[whole comet]

in Hades the game, yes that's what happens

not sure about Zeus though, since we never see it

guess u gotta speculate on that

[fickle fox]

Gods in myths tend to have two types of deaths. One is similar to a human death. They will simply come back because they are gods. Coming back through the pool of Styx for example. The second is the "God slaying" type where they actually die

Some myths simply don't have the first type. A God simply cannot be killed by conventional means.

[whole comet]

would be odd if humans observe a "god death"

and tell u what happens

[random kestrel]

In Greek mythology I'm pretty sure minor (and maybe major) gods can be "killed", they just take some time to regenerate

I guess not killed, but greatly wounded so they can't move

[whole comet]

i can't think of any tbh

google just give thanatos lol

Kratos could be the god of god-slayer 😄

[slim grail]

i see

then what about demi gods?

like achilless

if he dies, he just "respawn" in the underworld?

[whole comet]

demi gods were still humans/mortals

so just like any mortals

[brisk trail]

I wonder where alecto/tisiphone go
same thing for theseus and asterius

[lone kernel]

Does hades walk out of the pool too

[high island]

Yes.

[chrome wharf]

yeah, either Thanatos or Hypnos comments about it after a few wins. Forgot who

[high island]

Than.

[void vigil]

The actual greek mythology kratos (not the character) is the personification of strength

[fast willow]

theseus and asterius are shades so they would just respawn in elysium right

[whole comet]

maybe like Skelly and Bone Hydra where they just reconstruct?

does not seem like they mention shades that die again ever reappear on pool

or maybe since they were shade, it's not the same as killing living mortals

[fast willow]

oh yeah btw on higher EM theseus gets a chariot right?

[chrome wharf]

ye

[fast willow]

that honestly seems easier to deal with since his stupid shield wont block 80% of attacks

[chrome wharf]

and it's not any chariot, it's the Macedonian Tau-Lambda

[whole comet]

the aoe, dmg wise, is high

[rapid forum]

they're somewhat easy to deal with, so I guess high damage is a good trade off

[whole comet]

so easier to dodge, but would punish u back bigger