Just go for athena
#h1-discussion
humble jewel
that's valid too. Athena dash op
placid anchor
deadly strike, heart flourish and passion dash
pure karma
Then it is very unlikely you will get athena dash
placid anchor
yeah I have no athena boons
pure karma
Yeah I dunno
humble jewel
hm. I'd still go Athena and hope you get call
placid anchor
alright will try that š
humble jewel
dash exchange would be optimal.
humble jewel
you don't need passion dash. It's not bad, but if you get the option to switch it for Athena I would. Damage is way lower and no status efffect but deflecting as you dash is soooo gooooood.
yeah, assuming you're using Zag bow. Most hammers that effect attack are really good. Maybe not sniper shot so much.
pure karma
Twin Shot and Perfect shot would be the best thing imo
humble jewel
I never go perfect shot because the mechanic behind it is not accessible.
pure karma
What do you mean
humble jewel
Speaking of, me and my friend are doing the twitch event this weekend. š
placid anchor
damn, I got phalanx shot (rare) - holy shield (rare) and proud bearing (epic)
pure karma
Take holy shield
humble jewel
holy shield then
placid anchor
that room really destroyed my health
pure karma
and deals ok damage
pure karma
Speaking of, me and my friend are doing the twitch event this weekend. š
Would you be able to remind me? I would like to watch that
humble jewel
@pure karma the indicator for when you can release for a perfect shot does not have any audio clues that blind people can use.
pure karma
Oh right
You are better of with Flurry Shot on your bows then
And with Rama, just juice the special
humble jewel
sure I'll be reminding people in the server. I'll also archive it of course.
nah I can aim ... semi ok with attack. Just not pefect shot.
pure karma
TBH, on all bows except Rama I can Perfect Shot with muscle memory now lol
humble jewel
not a big fan of flurry shot. It takes away the bowyness of the bow.
I should go ask the modders to add a slight audio bleep for when perfect is
pure karma
That would be cool
humble jewel
wow Zeus shield just destroyed sneak. It just kept walking into it.
mint coral
zeus shield is great
placid anchor
ooo just got a heart rend
placid anchor
but I'm at 128 health, no more DDs, and just about to enter the arena vs the minotaur and the other guy
reef zodiac
Donāt get hit
placid anchor
lol, I'll try
pure karma
You can't afaik
jade zenith
you're paying health instead of taking damage or something like that
mint coral
How do you enter Chaos gates with 10hp<:bouldy:523329116934635534>
if there is traps nearby just activate them to lose a dd then enter 
thick cypress
Ok Nyx just crossed a line
did she fire dusa
pure karma
Yes
high island
(1) If all priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash) are empty, fill all three slots with priority boons,
(2) if an exchange is possible, 10% chance to add an exchange to one free slot,
(3) if 2 fails and there are free priority slots, add one priority boon to one slot,
(4) 50% chance to add a tier 2 status curse (i.e., Jolted, Marked, Rupture, or Exposed) to one slot if boon requirements are met,
(5) roll for legendary/duo for each remaining slot,
(6) roll for epic for each remaining slot,
(7) roll for rare for each remaining slot,
(8) fill all remaining slots with common,
(9) fill all remaining slots with whatever is available.
For step 5, each roll has a 12% chance for normal boons and 10% for miniboss boons.
pure karma
She is probably stronger than all the Olympians and Titans combined though
humble jewel
> (1) If all priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash) are empty, f...
that's super useful to know. Is there a page somewhere that lists all these mechanics?
I didn't know how gods were seeded for a run until I watched a youtube vid.
high island
Nope.
placid anchor
hmm, triple bomb | rocket bomb | explosive fire ?
manic bobcat
I wanted to smack her
I read that as
I wanted to snack her
š³
manic bobcat
hmm, triple bomb | rocket bomb | explosive fire ?
is this your frist or second?
placid anchor
first
manic bobcat
if you want safety, take triple, rocket is also fine
placid anchor
I already went with triple though, now the decision is between a centaur heart and a hermes boon
manic bobcat
oh lol
humble jewel
hermes
placid anchor
are duos always worth it over other abilities?
this run I already have a duo and just got another to choose from, but it's just "meh"
phalanx shot (rare) - blinding flash (rare) - parting shot (duo)
dusky wedge
What aspect are you running?
placid anchor
none on the rail
dusky wedge
Itās worth it if youāre using it/it works on your build
dusky wedge
Donāt just pick the best stuffs, pick something that will make you do more damage or survive longer
placid anchor
alrighty
dusky wedge
For Zag rail, assuming youāre not really running a cast build, Iāll pick Blinding Flash there
placid anchor
yeah that's what I picked, cheers!
dusky wedge
Good luck
heady cypress
Took me about 100 runs to figure out that you can talk to bouldy
He definitely earned that nectar for showing that much patience
placid anchor
hmm I just remembered I have a fishing rod but never used it
heady cypress
Just in case you don't know where to use it, look for glowing spots in water blood lava or whatever
You'll be able to interact with them
strong ridge
game also has ding cue if fishing is in ur environment
heady cypress
After unlocking ||moms garden i was like "cool I guess thats where dad is chilling all the time|| but the game said no
pure karma
They go there sometimes
heady cypress
"Arthur in hand"
carefully charges rama
pure karma
Hades and Persephone
heady cypress
They go there sometimes
SOMETIMES
But most of the time
They dont
They're just gone
pure karma
Hades has all the parchmentwork
heady cypress
No
pure karma
And Persephone needs to stand near Cerberus to look cool
heady cypress
He's probably going to the Olymp without me
heady cypress
And Persephone needs to stand near Cerberus to look cool
Or near dad
*to look cooler
pure karma
Well I mean, Zagreus tried going out
But he is such a nerd, getting out of his basement literally kills him
heady cypress
Hikikomori deluxe
pure karma
Until I talk to Nyx yes
heady cypress
Ohhh
chrome wharf
They're just gone
You never know what they do when you're off doing runs tho
pure karma
I know
high island
are duos always worth it over other abilities?
Not always, no.
maiden bane
Smh my head Hades literally copied hollow knight
whole comet
hey
reef zodiac
whole comet
so about fresh file run
reef zodiac
Mmm hmm
reef zodiac
Iām not looking for advice at the moment
reef zodiac
Most runs die pretty early because ME is very inconsistent
reef zodiac
I got stuck in greenpath
pure karma
Smh my head Hades literally copied hollow knight
It's ok when the copied product is far superior
whole comet
u mean u didn't make to Elysium often?
placid anchor
hmm premium vintage or after party?
whole comet
i see
whole comet
no lol
whole comet
i mean
reef zodiac
It has to be the literal first run
whole comet
first run means my first time i played Hades i didn't
whole comet
i attempted normal Fresh run after i got the 32 heat hell mode done
and sure, still not that easy
reef zodiac
But it was your very first run on the file? Like the only gods were Athena, Artemis, Ares, and Dionysus?
whole comet
prolly the most annoying thing
maiden bane
Whatās different about fresh file? Some gods and no duos right
Less talents but you have 0 heat
maiden bane
Easy
reef zodiac
No keepsakes
whole comet
well is offered after boss
maiden bane
I only have 1 use of batty as is
maiden bane
The do it and record it.
Bet
whole comet
but won't be offered during the run
reef zodiac
Yes
maiden bane
Iām a zag sword aficionado
maiden bane
You have to include the part where you make the new file in the video
Is it first run only
whole comet
assuming u wish to "proof" I guess
raw herald
Yes
reef zodiac
Yes
raw herald
And you don't need to do that, the Athena cutscene only appears once
whole comet
screenshot is one thing, but i dun record lol
maiden bane
Canāt you just show victory screen where it shows your heat and talents
reef zodiac
No
maiden bane
Why
twin thistle
Trying to get Mirage Shot
picked too many prereqs lol
reef zodiac
If youāre so confident you can do it, then do it and record the full run
gray apex
^
whole comet
well if there's real money reward
maiden bane
Because you can fake those
Iām on Xbox. Also, I donāt really care if you think itās fake. Youāre a HK random
reef zodiac
Iām on Xbox. Also, I donāt really care if you think itās fake. Youāre a HK rando...
?? HK random??
Nothing
But if you think itās so easy, then do the full thing and record it. Otherwise Iām not gonna believe it 
If you submit a screenshot and no video, I will absolutely not assume itās real
whole comet
well, i think it's not as hard as people think
raw herald
ok
reef zodiac
ok
whole comet
after all, there's people out there already done it
maiden bane
well, i think it's not as hard as people think
^
whole comet
at least, normal mode
whole comet
not like Heat 60+
raw herald
Doesn't mean it's easy
reef zodiac
You canāt call it easy if youāve never even tried it
whole comet
but those speedrunners
maiden bane
You canāt call it easy if youāve never even tried it
Itās easy
whole comet
if you wanna talk about boss pattern and stuff
i bet we can both tell u similar things
like the Hydra boss
reef zodiac
i bet we can both tell u similar things
What does this mean?
reef zodiac
Itās easy
Then do it. When do you get back?
whole comet
oh
reef zodiac
you know the bone hydra did the missile attack thing
Bro Iāve done 600+ runs of the game 
maiden bane
Dunno. Like Friday night I think
whole comet
do you even know bone hydra is always the same one in fresh file run?
gray apex
@ me when you do it and record it
reef zodiac
Dunno. Like Friday night I think
Great. Sunday morning Iām expecting that youāll have it.
gray apex
this is gonna be entertaining asf
whole comet
the boss one
reef zodiac
do you even know bone hydra is always the same one in fresh file run?
Yes. Again, I said Iāve done more than 30 hours of fresh file runs
pure karma
What are we talking about? Hell mode fresh file win?
reef zodiac
Just fresh file
raw herald
Normal mode
gray apex
I feel like it'll be a 2 hour run
reef zodiac
I feel like it'll be a 2 hour run
No
pure karma
was too hard for me
raw herald
I'm bad at sword, so for me, fresh file is harder than 52 heat
whole comet
Yes. Again, I said Iāve done more than 30 hours of fresh file runs
u said you didn't make it far too
reef zodiac
u said you didn't make it far too
I made it to Hades
jade zenith
if it is 2 hours then you are definitely doing something wrong
reef zodiac
I got to Hades once. I said that
whole comet
i see
reef zodiac
Straight up I think youāre capping I donāt think you beat fresh file
whole comet
ah right
because fresh file normal is super hard, right?
like harder than 40 Heat?
pure karma
So guys please explain something. I am playing Hera. Sometimes not all the casts lodge on my target. Some just drop behind them. What's up with that
whole comet
and still find fresh file normal harder?
fast axle
fresh file cant be that hard, can it?
reef zodiac
Yes
raw herald
fresh file cant be that hard, can it?
It is
gray apex
fresh file cant be that hard, can it?
Try it
fast axle
i've beat the game on the third run, and it was barely a struggle, and im not even a good player
whole comet
it is definitely hard
maiden bane
I'm bad at sword, so for me, fresh file is harder than 52 heat
Dash attack x2, special
dusky wedge
Only one dash 
whole comet
but compare to hell mode, still feel super tamed
raw herald
Dash attack x2, special
I am well aware š
reef zodiac
it is definitely hard
raw herald
Anyway it's special -> 2Ćdash strike
fast axle
you know what, i will try some fresh file runs, we what happens
pure karma
I think it's so hard because Sword is just terrible
reef zodiac
No
whole comet
well i was working on hell mode, so i no longer feel normal's that hard
pure karma
I wonder if a Victory Screen can be enough proof
fast axle
i've only beat 32 heat once tho, and i'm really out of practice, so this might not go well
ivory nacelle
Sword is kinda bad without aspects
reef zodiac
I wonder if a Victory Screen can be enough proof
For me itās not, not unless I already trust you
jade zenith
RI4 alone is worse than most of things you put on for 32 heat
whole comet
at least you COULD get double dash back in 32 heat
eternal marlin
Beating Final Boss on the very first run was definitely not as easy as some other stuff you can do in this game.
whole comet
but fresh file, single dash only, since hermes won't appear
jade zenith
losing hammers, aspect bonuses, house contractor upgrades and certain gods makes it even worse
fast axle
oh hermes doesnt show up first run?
whole comet
and no DD
fast axle
that s rough
raw herald
No fountains
reef zodiac
No keepsakes
raw herald
No nuthin
whole comet
fountains still appear after boss and b4 hade
placid anchor
About to enter Styx with only one DD 67/150 health and a rail with decent boons, which trinket should I take with me?
reef zodiac
No wells outside the one after each boss
reef zodiac
About to enter Styx with only one DD 67/150 health and a rail with decent boons,...
These are the decisions you have to learn to make for yourself, no offense
fast axle
btw can i have someone confirm an easily reproducible crash for me
raw herald
About to enter Styx with only one DD 67/150 health and a rail with decent boons,...
Acorn/tooth for safety
reef zodiac
No one is gonna actually gonna record anything <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Iām setting up my capture card right now. Speak for yourself
whole comet
not like i'm a streamer
gray apex
Lol I dont mean you
whole comet
so yeah, screenshot is one thing
placid anchor
Acorn/tooth for safety
which would be better in my case you think?
raw herald
What ever one is levelled up the least
whole comet
maybe i could retry and post screenshot after each boss dead
raw herald
So you can level them both up
whole comet
IF i want to try to convince
placid anchor
both are 1 star
raw herald
Acorn
reef zodiac
maybe i could retry and post screenshot after each boss dead
If itās not recorded I donāt believe it, sorry
whole comet
well, let's say i record it and show u
placid anchor
alrighty, here we go š
whole comet
would u suddenly change ur mind and think fresh normal is easy?
whole comet
that's it?
gray apex
It's not easy
reef zodiac
Itās very obviously not easy
pure karma
You open the server, you see a big argument, and who is ALWAYS in the middle of it?
gray apex
If you're that good just record it whenever you have time because this convo isnt going anywhere honestly
whole comet
what do i even use to record?
pure karma
Don't even record, Victory screen is enough for normal people
reef zodiac
Kat
whole comet
let's say PC
reef zodiac
Youāre not involved in this
gray apex
You could use Nvidia Shadowplay or OBS both free
fast axle
is there any way to report bug in the game?
eternal marlin
is there any way to report bug in the game?
not anymore.
fast axle
oops
eternal marlin
can still go to #h1-tech-support
fast axle
i've known about a really easily reproducible crash for a while and never got around to reporting it
eternal marlin
depends on length and quality
fast axle
its just: grab shield, switch aspects (any switch works, doesnt matter which aspect), walk to another weapon, charge a shield dash (dont release), and switch weapons
instant game crash
sometimes with funny graphics effects
reef zodiac
1 hour? 
gray apex
is the file big?
1 minute of 1080p 60fps is approximately 175mb, other things can change this like the bit rate but its an approximation
eternal marlin
i guess recording Hades for 1 hr
i can't tell you some specific files sizes, just record for like 10 min and multiply
whole comet
well, even if i retry normal mode, i'm sure i won't beat it again right away
raw herald
My recordings are ~30 gigs an hour oh god
eternal marlin
i had like 4gb in 30 min i think. Can't upload more in a reasonable time anyway.
fast axle
its just: grab shield, switch aspects (any switch works, doesnt matter which asp...
can anyone else confirm that crash?
raw herald
Sure
raw herald
can anyone else confirm that crash?
I did it, there was some slight lag but not anything unusual
Just the generic lag from changing weapons on switch
whole comet
safe to say Fresh file those two r expected to be the main killer?
fast axle
hmm, weird
eternal marlin
safe to say Fresh file those two r expected to be the main killer?
yes
whole comet
although
fast axle
ok, so not 100% for you
raw herald
Yeah put that in tech support
fast axle
but still works
raw herald
Second try
reef zodiac
safe to say Fresh file those two r expected to be the main killer?
Yes but thereās also concern of modding how you get you boons and stuff like that
whole comet
i only think Asterius phase 2 is the biggest problem
gray apex
i guess if i record
Is uploading the file your main problem?
whole comet
i mean, recording the whole thing
eternal marlin
can anyone else confirm that crash?
Did crash, yes.
fast axle
thank you
gray apex
Oh
whole comet
i never meant to be streamer lol
gray apex
can anyone else confirm that crash?
Crashed
whole comet
still, might as well know a bit about it now
when i finish hell mode fresh clear
š
i feel like recording it, though i just plan to only record Hades
eternal marlin
if you record the whole thing you can submit to a speedrun board. Slowest so far is just under 3hours, so no pressure in going fast. 
whole comet
as i said, i dun plan to be speedrun or all that
just for myself
you can see i play Hades the way i want
eternal marlin
i do too, i just submitted the time i naturally got. 
pure karma
its just: grab shield, switch aspects (any switch works, doesnt matter which asp...
Confirmed. Got some weird graphical glitch like a square too
whole comet
i was considering boonless 33 heat, but felt like i was aiming a bit high...
fast axle
Confirmed. Got some weird graphical glitch like a square too
yeah it looks really wierd
anyways, thank you all
pure karma
It's interesting you can interact with things while charging shield
but you can't do it with bow
eternal marlin
2nd attempt 32+ heat is a bit on the very very difficult site.
pure karma
32 heat was hell for me. Did it once to get the statue and never again
whole comet
Stubborn roots
fast axle
but you can't do it with bow
i have no idea why i never thought to try that
whole comet
and drag the fight
fast axle
i think i tried with spear tho
pure karma
Same as bow cant interact with things
I think this is why it is happening
probably not supposed to be able to interact with things which charging
gray apex
32 heat was hell for me. Did it once to get the statue and never again
do it again
pure karma
No
eternal marlin
so you go up to the surface before the 2nd run?
pure karma
it was for me
whole comet
yeah, fresh file clear means u meet Zag's mom first try
whole comet
oh and those Hades taunting would be gone
fast axle
oh lol it totally works with bow too
gray apex
I had to completely change the way I play
aw :c
high island
its just: grab shield, switch aspects (any switch works, doesnt matter which asp...
Well, have you reported it now?
fast axle
yeah
whole comet
remember Hades would taunt u "you'll never the surface quote"?
pure karma
oh lol it totally works with bow too
Huh?
high island
Cool cool.
whole comet
he would never say it
fast axle
Huh?
you have about 0.5 seconds of charge time before the "equip" option disappears, same setup, works like a charm.
pure karma
Doesnt crash for me
pure karma
Yeah I can't do it
fast axle
are you sucessfully switching weapons?
pure karma
yes
pure karma
Well, this is not something you naturally do so eh
fast axle
well yeah
i mean, i discovered the shield one entirely on accident
just messing around with different weapons in the courtyard
reef zodiac
I had to completely change the way I play
Thatās kinda the point
whole comet
btw
just curious
would be believe me if i just take screenshot on moments, like after killing bosses
fast axle
would be believe me if i just take screenshot on moments, like after killing bos...
Pretty much anyone would take that as proof enough, but since he already thinks you might be making stuff up, he wants more than normal verification
whole comet
pretty much no benefit for me
lol
seeing that even if he asks for fresh file help, still won't listen anyway
not to me
pure karma
I believe you bro
And in the end, just do it for yourself
Who cares what others believe
whole comet
but i did learn 1 HUGE reason why hell mode is hard
u guys people always tell u to turn off the hp increase heat?
hell mode, rank 1 must be on š¦
i used to not believe it, but now i do
hell mode Elysium is insane
when things are not dying
quick
maiden bane
@reef zodiac you want a fresh file run with all weapons? Or just zag sword lol
Cuz that sounds easy
maiden bane
What isnāt there on fresh file, besides talents, fountains and companions
I feel like Demeter isnāt that useful for zag sword
maiden bane
Aphro and Arty? Freelo
reef zodiac
Wells of Charon (other than one after each boss)
No Aphrodite
No DDs, one dash
No Thanatos
maiden bane
0 heat tho
maiden bane
Lmao
maiden bane
You canāt do it on fresh file
reef zodiac
What?
maiden bane
?? Nani
reef zodiac
No I mean do fresh file
lone kernel
He means you effectively do have RI4 active because you have zero mirror
reef zodiac
Exactly
thick cypress
everyone talking about impossibly difficult runs and meanwhile there's me struggling on 5 heat like
https://c.tenor.com/hgxqoY5jxacAAAAM/mob-psycho-exercise.gif
reef zodiac
Itās definitely harder than 45 heat
pure karma
You donāt have the pact
Technically, with hell mode you do have the pact as a fresh file. And it's 5 heat. Can;t get lowered
twin thistle
5 heat shouldnt be much different from 0 unless you take some bad pacts
pure karma
The 5 heat from hell mode are kinda bad though aren't they?
gray apex
They are
whole comet
kinda?
pure karma
Pretty bad
whole comet
that's a GIANT understatement
whole comet
when you;re constantly fighting either 3 armor or 5 unarmor
whole comet
the armored Chariot were one of the worst
pure karma
Oh my god yes
twin thistle
without ME your damage is gunna be ass yeah
whole comet
personally i hate the sword one the most
pure karma
I only like arthur from swords
reef zodiac
And the shields are terrible
whole comet
the sword one, if u constant swing the unarmored version
they still could hit u back immediately
most enemies, if just one, u could spam it and they never attack back
pure karma
Greatshields really suck
whole comet
the sword guy is one that broke that rule
reef zodiac
Greatshields really suck
Ohhhh. I thought you meant the weapon
whole comet
hades spin
whole comet
Hades spin, u gotta learn how to time ur dash
whole comet
well flame wheel good thing about them
is they could kill themselves
so u dun even need to fight them
just kite them to pillar or walls
and they would blow up
pure karma
Yeah but you have one dash. One wrong use and bam, you get nailed by 6 of them
pure karma
Yeah I know
pure karma
If you have divine dash cool
whole comet
and wait for them to all spawn out
then deal with the rest
rememeber
u dun need to speedrun
take all the time to play safe
assuming ur goal is just beat it
speedrunner probably does it different,
maiden bane
If you can one shot them with your special, you are able to range them out with it
Hard to do tho
maiden bane
šŖ
eternal marlin
If you have divine dash cool
First run always starts with Athena offering Attack, Cast or Dash.
thick cypress
5 heat is difficult for me though
whole comet
First run always starts with Athena offering Attack, Cast or Dash.
Dash is your pick. end of story
raw herald
Yep
maiden bane
5 heat is difficult for me though<:shadegrief:520448187358642194>
I take UC and 2 TD
eternal marlin
True, but the offer is there. 
maiden bane
Is that 5?I forgor
whole comet
True, but the offer is there. <:squirtyay:456913427550699552>
nope, those other two were illusion to trick u to lose š
twin thistle
bruh
im on my 7th run on this new file and this is the third time ive seen tiny vermin
fast axle
that sounds about right, depending on how often you make it to styx and how often you pick miniboss doors
but 2 minibosses per run at 7 runs is 14 minibosses, and it has a 1 in 5 chance to spawn
eternal marlin
No. There's 3 different miniboss rooms and only one of them has a 50% chance of tiny vermin.
fast axle
3 * 50% is 1/6
raw herald
Stone can be vermin
eternal marlin
Oh, was it 4? mb
eternal marlin
And if you consider ~54% of sack in second tunnel..
maiden bane
I thought 2nd door sack was normal
fast axle
clearly i dont know enough about this game
eternal marlin
The math is a bit weird cuz variable length and how it gets the next room, but yeah.
raw herald
Yeah it's super funky
raw herald
There is but it's not practical
fast axle
which would be next to impossible that far in
maiden bane
Have you guys seen the 2:58 seeded Beowulf
maiden bane
Cracked player
strong ridge
beo go brr
maiden bane
How good is zeus shield
raw herald
Pretty good
maiden bane
I use chaos but I like that you can attack n stuff using special
maiden bane
Pretty good
Better than chaos?
raw herald
its like 30 seconds fast than the second best
Yeah there's only one person that's really pushed the times down
raw herald
Better than chaos?
Yes
strong ridge
hey thatās the name
maiden bane
Spin to win
strong ridge
iām not the one matching names
maiden bane
iām not the one matching names
? Who
fast axle
honestly zeus shield may be better, but chaos is way easier
and imo its stronger unless you are running RI or AP
zeus is just more versatile, works with more boons
raw herald
Zeus shield is the most pact resistant aspect in the game
fast axle
right
raw herald
Probably the only aspect that can handle RI3 and DC2 at the same time
While not dying
raw herald
1 dash Rama is hard
jade zenith
achilles spear would probably be fine
raw herald
Achilles is just a very unsafe weapon
jade zenith
just that shield is generally a better weapon that the spear
rose fox
So, how do people like to set up their Mirrors? Is there a meta set up, or is a lot of it down to personal preference?
raw herald
http://imgur.com/gallery/9iYZSvj this will work for pretty much every weapon for speedruns
Main points are dark foresight and fated persuasion
twin thistle
and like switch to tough skin for regular runs
fiery/shadow and infernal/stygian can be switched depending on the aspect/build
same with gods pride and legacy
then use stubborn defiance for LC 4
reef zodiac
Definitely thick skin for anything thatās not a speedrun, yeah
high island
I think Legacy is pretty much only used for Mirage Shot Beowulf speedruns anymore at this point.
twin thistle
abyssal blood can be good for cast builds too
reef zodiac
Also keep in mind that Stygian soul removes a Hermes boon
raw herald
Rama might use legacy? But that's not meta who cares
maiden bane
What is boiling blood
high island
Rama might use legacy? But that's not meta who cares
For Smoldering Air?
maiden bane
I only have the talents I used memorized
raw herald
That or splitting bolt
high island
I guess that makes some sense.
raw herald
I think it's just hard to use HD with Rama so Hermes doesn't matter so much
maiden bane
lodged cast increases damage
Instead of 50 hp right
twin thistle
no
reef zodiac
Boiling blood is very good, much better than Abyssal Blood (for all but a few select builds) imo
twin thistle
instead of lodged cast makes enemies slower/do less dmg
maiden bane
Oh yeah
raw herald
I take abyssal blood on Beowulf
reef zodiac
twin thistle
HD is hyper delivery?
maiden bane
Is there not a talent that increases hp
pure karma
I take abyssal blood on Beowulf <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
With all casts?
maiden bane
Yeah skin
twin thistle
With all casts?
ofc. why not. its op
rose fox
I'll keep all of this in mind for when my switch has recharged its battery.
pure karma
But with lodging casts isn;t it better to have more?
maiden bane
Why is dark foresight better than the alternative
twin thistle
btw beowulf doesnt lodge
pure karma
Yes I know. I mean casts that don't linger
twin thistle
rare boons arent much better than common
maiden bane
Does it it increase chances for it to be rare and above?
twin thistle
@pure karma uh thinky youre mixing up infernal and stygian soul
pure karma
Probably
twin thistle
Does it it increase chances for it to be rare and above?
well it doesnt actually increase your chances for above rare. the wording more of means that the increase to rare chances doesnt reduce other chances
maiden bane
well it doesnt actually increase your chances for above rare. the wording more o...
Yes it does reduce other chances. You canāt have something totaling over 100%?
reef zodiac
Yes it does reduce other chances. You canāt have something totaling over 100%?
It reduces your odds for common boons
maiden bane
Iām not saying this because I know for sure, but what you said isnāt mathematically possible
twin thistle
Yes it does reduce other chances. You canāt have something totaling over 100%?
depends on how the boon rarity system works
reef zodiac
It reduces the odds for common boons
pure karma
So since Beowulf casts don;t lodge, why does Abyssal or Boiling Blood matter?
reef zodiac
Thatās what it does
reef zodiac
So since Beowulf casts don;t lodge, why does Abyssal or Boiling Blood matter?
It doesnāt, that was the joke
twin thistle
with boon rolling, the game rolls for each of the higher rarities first then if they all fail you get a common or something
reef zodiac
Why is dark foresight better than the alternative
Odds for gold laurels without Dark Foresight: 50%
Odds for gold laurels with Dark Foresight: 70%
reef zodiac
What?
twin thistle
> (1) If all priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash) are empty, f...
like this
reef zodiac
It gives you more money and hearts
twin thistle
gold laurels includes those
reef zodiac
It increases your odds for money and hearts by 40%
25 health is more than 5, and 100 gold is more than 20
twin thistle
basically a couple of boons that are rare instead of common < more boons and gold and hearts and stuffs
maiden bane
Nah I want darkness and nectar
reef zodiac
Dark Foresight is ludicrously broken
Itās the best thing on the mirror after DDs and GR, imo
maiden bane
Itās the best thing on the mirror after DDs and GR, imo
I want darkness tho
I donāt use cthonic vitality
twin thistle
if you want darkness and nectar better to just grab a bunch of chaos darkness/gem+ boons and steamroll bosses
reef zodiac
I want darkness tho
Ok? Cool
maiden bane
Blue laurel goat
high island
Poms are better than Nectar.
maiden bane
Poms are better than Nectar.
Nectar gives poms
twin thistle
also centaur hearts are better than tiny bits of healing
maiden bane
Nah
reef zodiac
Thereās no point in arguing with them theyāre either trolling or their beyond help
twin thistle
okay then...
reef zodiac
high island
Why are you calling centaurs animals? m calling HR.
maiden bane
Uhh
modern garnet
Oh so if a group of people were "not good" then its ok to eat their hearts?
reef zodiac
pure karma
Oh so if a group of people were "not good" then its ok to eat their hearts?
If their hearts increase my lifespan, you bet.
modern garnet
Ok valid
lone kernel
Tbh I call them heart containers 
thorny mirage
Oh so if a group of people were "not good" then its ok to eat their hearts?
Theyāre all dead
also
like horrible, horrid people
bright reef
Why is the minotaur just so much harder to deal with than Theseus
humble jewel
I'll admit I don't know much about centaurs ... but every media portrayal of Saturs has been of wild, strange, intoxicated goat men of the wild and not as neither good or bad.
Supergiant's take surprised me.
mint coral
Why is the minotaur just so much harder to deal with than Theseus
he just tries to snipe you from far away so he doesnt bother that much, asterius is practically on you all the time
modern garnet
Asterius does all the work and theseus gets all the credit
chrome wharf
Did the game have a take on centaurs? Maybe I need to read the codex more
mortal forge
quick poll: malphone or stygius
humble jewel
fists
chrome wharf
punchy
mortal forge
why?
mint coral
more fun to use
reef zodiac
Sword, but not by much. Those are my two least favorite weapons by a lot
humble jewel
I find them both kinda boring, unless we're talking Poseidon sword. But I feel like fists have two options that I find fun, Demeter and and Gilgamesh which as I'm sure a lot of people know already is probably in my top 3 aspects.
reef zodiac
Demeter is alright. Gilgamesh is probably the worst aspect in the game
humble jewel
no and no
reef zodiac
?
mint coral
talos is fun for yo-yo memes, tho hope for a good way to gain boss damage w
reef zodiac
Have you done at least 40 heat with Gilgamesh?
humble jewel
nope. But I can think of worst aspects. And certainly less fun
reef zodiac
Gil feels alright at low heat (but literally everything does) but once you start to crank it up you realize how truly terrible the aspect is
Bad as in not optimal, not bad as in not fun
To be clear
humble jewel
having extra dashes and putting your mirror on roothless feels solid ...
humble jewel
I think Hades is way worse.
reef zodiac
Oh I hate Hades aspect so so much
But it can get Exploding Launcher
Which is pretty alright tbh
marsh compass
hades is too hard for the game balance
he does far too much unfair damage and he is undodgable and enimy spam
he is artificial difficulty instead of good boss
twin thistle
gilgadash
marsh compass
k
pure karma
I find them both kinda boring, unless we're talking Poseidon sword. But I feel l...
Gilgamesh is nice. Kinda fun. But Maim is just bad.
twin thistle
undodgable 
mint coral
Gilgamesh is nice. Kinda fun. But Maim is just bad.
imagine giving a weapon 2.5 levels of hard labor just to get a slower doom
pure karma
he is artificial difficulty instead of good boss
Huh?
marsh compass
final bosses should be tough because they are tough
not tough because they do large damage and spam eneimes
twin thistle
thats why you dont use gilgadash for attack and special
pure karma
There is no artificial difficulty with Hades
twin thistle
he only spawns enemies twice
humble jewel
hades is a certain kind of boss. Doesn't feel artificial to me. He feels like Hades.
marsh compass
he just does big damage and spawns things
pure karma
Like, the worst case sceniario with enemies without EM4 might be Chariots or Voidstones
humble jewel
slow, stubborn, but powerful. Like a hard rooted tree.
marsh compass
it's still a boring fight
marsh compass
agreed
pure karma
Come on man, I have been playing ruthlessly hard games for years. I know what artificial difficulty is. There is almost none in Hades, unless you count extremely high heat. Which is a self-imposed challenge anyway.
marsh compass
i think hades should've been a harder fight instead of doing more damage and spawning things
humble jewel
Yeah, probably shouldn't do the spawning since he talks all about that self made bullcrap but then calls for aid anyway.
pure karma
On the other hand, you get blessing from all the olympians. It;s fair.
twin thistle
more varied attacks would be cool ig
humble jewel
I can see Cerb coming in to aid him but that's as far as I can go. Or if you want to keep the summoning aspect which would make for an interesting story get people from the house to fight on his side against their will.
bright reef
Yo is Thanatos In a relationship with Zagreus?
thorny mirage
Hades is definitely a good boss what
pure karma
I can see Cerb coming in to aid him but that's as far as I can go. Or if you wan...
Imagine if he summoned Nyx
pure karma
Yo is Thanatos In a relationship with Zagreus?
Can be
thorny mirage
heās not artificially hard
bright reef
I met him like 5 minutes ago
thorny mirage
Nyx would refuse to hurt us
humble jewel
I do like Hades fight esthetically though. Slow, heavy hitting, with lots of hp. Just like how he acts out of combat.
thorny mirage
like she got us in contact with olympus, she helped us get to that point
pure karma
Nyx would refuse to hurt us
She got a bit upset when I questioned her about Dusa
thorny mirage
yeah but like
She wouldnāt fight us man
sheās basically our mom
step mom ig
humble jewel
no, but Than would.
pure karma
I think she could like snap her fingers and send Zagreus back to the house without hurting him tbh
humble jewel
he could summon Dusa. Oh god could you imagine how that would pan out in the story.
pure karma
Nyx pissed me off with that move, ngl.
reef zodiac
I can see Cerb coming in to aid him but that's as far as I can go. Or if you wan...
What? Hades would never summon Cerberus 
humble jewel
poor Dusa. She's here working her skull off and most employers like it when you work too hard. But nope not Nyx.
thorny mirage
I mean she was working incessantly hard and was warned about it prior
humble jewel
@reef zodiac look I'm blind so it's hard to tell but ... I'm pretty sure he calls for Cerb in EM4?
reef zodiac
mint coral
depending on your dps he doesnt
thorny mirage
no way
pure karma
So Cerberus takes my Satyr sack, which I had to go through their sewers to get, and then he attacks me anyway.
Bad dog
humble jewel
no pets for you for a few runs
pure karma
no pets for you for a few runs
a few save files*
The only thing in that domain that truly cares for me is that shade in Elysium
It;s all for you my good shade
mortal forge
wot we can take pets on runs?
mortal forge
oh wait companions
humble jewel
Meg is a pet? I'm sure she'll like that.
pure karma
Other way around
humble jewel
Dude, I'm still mad they didn't make Cerberus a summonable pet. Come on ...
mint coral
dad only privileges
pure karma
I don't think Zagreus can really control Cerberus. Cerberus likes him sure, but he answers only to Hades
mint coral
also ^
humble jewel
I want Zag to ride on Cerb for their next Hades continuation ... 10 years down the line.
humble jewel
dad only privileges
Can he get his own wild beast, then?
And no Bouldy doesn't count š š š
pure karma
I don't think there will be new Hades stuff tbh. Supergiant just moves to new games after they are done with one.
humble jewel
yeah I don't know I was only introduced to Supergiant after I heard of Hades. Who knows they might considering the massive comertial success it's had.
though if their next game is as excellent as Hades (and accessible of course) I'll definitely play it, no questions asked.
pure karma
I would love some Hades DLC, or even a sequel of some sorts, but I just can;t see it happening.
twin thistle
waiting for supergiant next game/probably not dlc 
pure karma
Does Zag bow stack with Artemis strike?
thorny mirage
Yus
pure karma
that's a lot of crit chance
humble jewel
@pure karma add pressure points to that too. It's pretty crazy.
high island
And Hunter's Mark, above all.
plain dove
Why do I have two pings here?
narrow hemlock
Why do I have two pings here?
the person above you answered why
hardy atlas
anyone here play dnd? i want to build zagreus for a one shot and wanted some opinions
humble jewel
god just tried 32 heat run and got murdered by Theseus. Not a bad first attempt I guess.
mint coral
thats a very good attempt
humble jewel
I got way too stressed out by the deadline so I took more damage than I had to.
mint coral
my first attempt was dumb, dc2 numbskulls with chiron, lack of experience + no AoE at all isnt fun
humble jewel
yepp
Rama feels soooo clunky with forced overtime.
I might go against all conventional wisdom and pick Gil aspect. Or just go Ares with Zeus Poseidon looool.
mint coral
rama is actually decent for high heat
are you using fo1 or 2?
well not decent, is great
humble jewel
FO2
mint coral
ah, i also cant manage with fo2 too ww
humble jewel
I could've won with aspect of Ares. Oh well I'll grab that on my next attempt, then switch from the optimal weapons to the fun weapons as I learn.
twin thistle
bruh another tiny vermin
brisk trail
Tiny vermin annoying
Atleast you can abuse that gap
Just attack it from distance unless your weapon range is short
Just dash then go thru that gap and repeat
pseudo osprey
wondering where the modders hang out n if it was possible to make fishing more accesible for folk like me who have bad arm spasming that causes me to accidentally hit keys, losing the fish
and the tiny vermin do be irritating
reef zodiac
The modders hang out in the modding server more than anything
But you can definitely find them here and in the speedrun server as well from time to time
mortal forge
frikkity frik frak i got to the last part and i got killed by the frikin satyr
twin thistle
https://tenor.com/view/rats-gif-19501976
hearty sierra
wondering where the modders hang out n if it was possible to make fishing more a...
There's a mod for that :D
Use MagicGonad's God Among Fish mod, found on NexusMods
You have to have ModUtil for it too, of course
chrome wharf
but like i made a new file and like 8 runs in and ive seen 4 vermins
I swear the game has a flag that gets raised if you win too many times in the first few runs, which turns the tiny vermin chance up
rapid forum
it's a fun boss 
dry stump
I am in confusion
fast axle
is there a set boon pool for fresh file runs? I've been resetting for ares second, and its always dio or arti
hearty sierra
is there a set boon pool for fresh file runs? I've been resetting for ares secon...
there is
you can't meet zeus, poseidon I think
And aphro?
I only distinctly remember you can't meet zeus
dry stump
Sounds bout right
twin thistle
you can get ares second but like ya know rng
elfin plaza
hey
maiden bane
Who are the big damage gods for fresh files? Just arty right?
Others like dio and ares are just curse effects
Dio especially is trash for zag sword
twin thistle
ares and ares and ares
elfin plaza
i have a question, do i need to use all the weapons in the game? because I really enjoy the sword and don't want to use any other weapons
fast axle
looking for merciful end, its the only thing that can carry my crap mechanics thru a fresh file run
twin thistle
with athena for me
maiden bane
i have a question, do i need to use all the weapons in the game? because I reall...
Play your way
elfin plaza
Play your way
ok thanks
maiden bane
Itās good to explore new play styles tho
dry stump
I mean help but keep changing my favorite weapon
twin thistle
arty fresh file is gunna be pretty weak with zag sword and no chaos for attack boosts
maiden bane
Athena is available iirc
twin thistle
lol shes the first god yeah
maiden bane
Iād put her on special ideally, if I donāt get dash
maiden bane
You need a core boon besides dash for ME right
dry stump
Yeah all speedrunners generally start fresh cause of athena dash
twin thistle
pick dash, grab special later hope for ares attack, hope for ME
maiden bane
Isnāt it decreased damage tho
twin thistle
what is
maiden bane
I remember that for some ares duo
reef zodiac
No thatās curse of longing
twin thistle
ME increases doom damage
dry stump
I never worry about damage
twin thistle
with impending doom and some poms. thats gunna be 500+ damage
ME or without yeah you dash attack into special
dry stump
I just want Achilles to give me the quote I want
maiden bane
Ares special with Athena attack sounds like the best option
twin thistle
eh
dry stump
Anyways on topic of hades am I allowed to ask any question about the game here
rapid forum
yes
dry stump
Cause I am very confused
prisma wind
What's got you confused?
rapid forum
that's normal
dry stump
Trying to unlock the hidden weapon art for my spear
I beat the game once
I have aspect of hades unlocked and aspect of achilles at lvl 2 so I spent 5 blood on it
prisma wind
It may just be a matter of getting the right dialog with Achilles queued up
If you've met all the requirements, which it seems you have, just keep talking to him each run
dry stump
Cause I have one non zag at lvl 1 and one at lvl 2
prisma wind
The only other thing to check is that you have 5 different aspects unlocked
prisma wind
Yes
dry stump
I had 4
prisma wind
I don't think Zag aspects count for the 5 unlocks but it's been a long time since I had to do it myself
dry stump
It doesn't
humble jewel
you sure?
oh just read, counting aspects no it doesn't. But it does count if a weapon requires you to invest titan blood to reveal a hidden aspect.
merry trail
If i turn off my switch mid run, will it load me up in the room i was in?
dry stump
If its in rest mode yes
rapid forum
the game saves on room transition and after clearing a room
astral quest
I really like the game so far
merry trail
So if im in styx main room and close the game down, ill start back in styx main room?