I knew I could get it, I just needed some luck, I can feel it, it’s getting closer
#h1-discussion
dusky wedge
wise oasis
You got this, just gotta get some luck and you'll get it
little cosmos
Just a quick question, if you use a god accessory in Tartarus, if you equip a different God’s accessory, do you still get the Guaranteed boon?
raw herald
You get the guaranteed boon from the new gods keepsake
little cosmos
Oh nice. Thanks!
hardy storm
everyone here seems so good meanwhile i got the game 3 days ago and have only just met the hydra thing
brisk trail
Mirror of night will eventually nullify a lot of the difficulty
twin thistle
and aspects
thorny mirage
everyone here seems so good meanwhile i got the game 3 days ago and have only ju...
I mean yeah you just got the game
We weren’t decent out the gate
ancient dirge
if i buy the ps5 version can i keep my progress/game data from steam?
ancient dirge
it works for nintendo so wasnt sure. just saw their tweet though
wispy escarp
I maxed Dusa's heart but I didn't get a sticker, is it bug?
twin thistle
I maxed Dusa's heart but I didn't get a sticker, is it bug?
there'll be another scene/encounter with dusa
which may or may not take a long time to show up
wispy escarp
Ah ok thanks, I've chat to her 4 time since thought it was a bug
hardy storm
I mean yeah you just got the game
i meant it as a compliment to people kinda arsey to reply like that but okay
brisk trail
i meant it as a compliment to people kinda arsey to reply like that but okay
Hey they just mean you're bound to not be as good or equipped just starting out
As in don't feel too bad about it
hardy storm
Hey they just mean you're bound to not be as good or equipped just starting out
oh yeah ik i just meant it as a well done to everyone there was no need for the sas tho
off them not you
modern garnet
Theres no need to put yourself down to compliment others
brisk trail
That might just be how they talk. I doubt they meant any offence
high island
Don't think anyone did.
steady geyser
Is there a chart somewhere of the attack/special/cast dmg of boons?
Like how Aphro is the highest attack dmg
mint coral
just saw thanatos summon backstab, what
signal aspen
Yeah he does that
reef zodiac
Lmao no
The meta best companion is Meg (AKA Battie)
Some people may disagree but that’s the general community consensus
marsh ore
The meta best companion is Meg (AKA Battie)
What's the second best? I don't like meg
reef zodiac
Idk? Why don’t you like Meg?
crude oxide
meg is reliable
reef zodiac
Meg is a lot of damage quite quickly
reef zodiac
Shady sucks imo
marsh ore
Idk? Why don’t you like Meg?
I don't like her character
reef zodiac
Lmao
crude oxide
I don't like her character
y?
reef zodiac
That’s a dumb reason
crude oxide
her summon is cracked
crude oxide
i mean...
marsh ore
That’s a dumb reason
I don't want to invest all my nectar in a character I don't like
modern garnet
Only ONE summon can give you darkness
crude oxide
except bouldy is inconsistent
reef zodiac
I don't want to invest all my nectar in a character I don't like
It doesn’t really cost that much
crude oxide
its not a gurranteed 1k dmg
marsh ore
What's the second best
reef zodiac
It’s also less than half the damage of Meg and it’s single target (unless you have two enemies in a super close space
reef zodiac
What's the second best
Bro I don’t know
reef zodiac
Nyaa likes Fidi for EM4 and Erebus gates
marsh ore
mort or antos maybe??
I'll get both cuz I ship Achilles and Patroclus
crude oxide
I'll get both cuz I ship Achilles and Patroclus
y tho antos isn't that good
marsh ore
I'll get both cuz I ship Achilles and Patroclus
And I wanna romance than
crude oxide
then to than
reef zodiac
I mean go for it I guess
marsh ore
Antos seems pretty good for some things and I can see mort being good too
mint coral
i've seen antos suggested for high heat furies too
crude oxide
morts delay is long tho
reef zodiac
Imo every companion is way worse than Meg like it’s not close. So if you don’t want to give nectar to Meg, then I would just not worry about companions too much
crude oxide
2.5k is alot
reef zodiac
Especially against champions when it’s 5K
mint coral
having summon is better than no summon tho
reef zodiac
Sure. But don’t worry about which summon
crude oxide
ye it can save you
marsh ore
I might use Meg
crude oxide
could fidi be viable tho?
reef zodiac
If you’re not gonna get Meg, then it doesn’t really matter what summon you get imo
marsh ore
But I will not romance her
reef zodiac
could fidi be viable tho?
If you ask Nyaa, yes. If you ask me, lmao no
crude oxide
what about rib
marsh ore
what about rib
Lmao
marsh ore
I have rib rn cuz it's the only one I have and it's bad
reef zodiac
Yeah it’s terrible
crude oxide
I have rib rn cuz it's the only one I have and it's bad
why did you give skelly nectar and ambrosia??
reef zodiac
I got Rib first too actually
steady geyser
I like Rib
crude oxide
steady geyser
Distracts the enemies
marsh ore
why did you give skelly nectar and ambrosia??
Cuz I wanted to kill him with my max zag sword and get free diamonds
steady geyser
modern garnet
Rib is easier to get than the other ones I think
marsh ore
Rib is easier to get than the other ones I think
Ya
reef zodiac
But yeah it’s absolutely atrocious like downright terrible
crude oxide
ye
modern garnet
Well it certainly can't cycle bosses
marsh ore
But yeah it’s absolutely atrocious like downright terrible
It's like a 5 sec distraction
steady geyser
Hey, don’t talk about my mans skelly like that
crude oxide
skelly is cool but his summon is bad
marsh ore
Skelly is weird
steady geyser
Well that’s just like, your opinion, man
reef zodiac
Yeah I like Skelly. But Rib is abysmal
reef zodiac
No
marsh ore
I simp for chaos
crude oxide
And chaos should be too
hell no
reef zodiac
Romancing the oldest being in the universe would be stupid as hell
steady geyser
Lernie should be romanceable
crude oxide
lemme just kiss the god of creation
crude oxide
Lernie should be romanceable
hell yes
granite ether
Chaos wouldn't take kindly to being advanced on in that manner
reef zodiac
Yeah seriously
marsh ore
Romancing the oldest being in the universe would be stupid as hell
Chaos kinda flirts at some points tho
crude oxide
bs and a half
marsh ore
Idk some of their lines sound like their hitting on the mc
crude oxide
nooo
reef zodiac
You might just be terrible at reading signals
That definitely does not happen
Ever
marsh ore
Lmai
crude oxide
i still think you should be able to romance lernie
marsh ore
Might just be wishful thinking
crude oxide
lernie is the only boss i occasionaly feel bad about killing
marsh ore
Since I like chaos
reef zodiac
I hate Lernie as a boss tbh
marsh ore
Lernie is ok
crude oxide
I hate Lernie as a boss tbh
y
marsh ore
But I take pleasure in killing Theseus
modern garnet
I do wish lernie had more personality... the boss with the least lore
marsh ore
But I take pleasure in killing Theseus
Or as I call him "pheseus"
crude oxide
since when did he get a minigun???????
marsh ore
Or as I call him "pheseus"
This joke makes sense if you try to pronounce it
crude oxide
meh
reef zodiac
meh
marsh ore
Lmao I thought it was obvious
marsh ore
Lmao
crude oxide
you got no one laughing
crude oxide
no his spin attack is sooo anoying on e3
marsh ore
no his spin attack is sooo anoying on e3
I meant as a character
reef zodiac
Asterius is pretty fun imo. But Hades is still my favorite boss
Hades is such a fun bossfight
crude oxide
true
brisk trail
What is the most annoying boss in terms of personality?
marsh ore
What is the most annoying boss in terms of personality?
Theseus imo
brisk trail
Theseus imo
He have very punchable face
marsh ore
He have very punchable face
-equips the fists-
crude oxide
sheild bashing hurts more tho
brisk trail
sheild bashing hurts more tho
Breaking someone's spine
crude oxide
getting a bloodstone lodged where it isnt supposed to go
mortal forge
wait wait help
what happens after we beat meg
twin thistle
wait wait help
what happens after we beat meg
you go to the next region but you restart back at the beginning still after dying
twin thistle
well meg gets pretty easy with experience
mortal forge
ive done her 40 times and still cant kill her
brisk trail
Meg is easy if you know what are you doing
It took me 2 tries to beat her first time
twin thistle
ive done her 40 times and still cant kill her
uh have you turned on god mode? that might be a good idea
twin thistle
uh are you dashing to avoid attacks?
brisk trail
How long are you trying to beat her in time?
mortal forge
uh are you dashing to avoid attacks?
fairly enough, but i think i try to attack her, so i keep getting hit
is it worth beating her bit by bit , or will she just heal
twin thistle
fairly enough, but i think i try to attack her, so i keep getting hit
its good especially against bosses and armored enemies and with melee weapons to wait for the enemy to attack then get a couple hits in before running away
twin thistle
is it worth beating her bit by bit , or will she just heal
she doesnt heal
mortal forge
oh thank god
ok cool
right then i think my plan is to just whittle her down i guess
twin thistle
try not to overcommit when attacking enemies. if you link a video in chat i could help with that too
late fog
Blitz if you’re dying when you try to attack her, try a ranged weapon, or just dash in, attack a few times, and dash out before she does her wide melee attack
late fog
Nah it doesn’t take long, especially if you get something like doom on your weapon
mortal forge
ok
late fog
Cuz you can dash right back in once you’ve avoided her attack, and repeat
dusky wedge
Even if it takes too long, it’s hardly a problem, as long as you can keep dodging her 
It just becomes a war of attrition then
Dash attacking can work so well against Meg, since her attacks are mostly delayed AoE. If her AoE is right above you, try to dash attack to the other side, and just repeat the process over and over again when she tries to land her AoE again on you
mortal forge
AoE?
chrome wharf
Run 6: tiny vermin again
craggy barn
slim grail
is darren korb the owner of SGG?
manic bobcat
i don't think so?
Gavin Simon, Amir Rao (and Greg Kasavin?) are the co-founders of SGG.
More info here https://www.supergiantgames.com/team/
A lot of early SGG folks came from the Command and Conquer team in EA which is super cool imo.
I wish C&C is more than a shell today.
crude oxide
opinion on lucifer rail
slim grail
A lot of early SGG folks came from the Command and Conquer team in EA which is s...
wow... so they came from and made command and conquer? dude that's a great fact! ty ahhaaha
this is really cool. I just like them alot more now
lethal dagger
Hey I just started is the spear thingy for zag suppose to have that much range on console
manic bobcat
how much are we talking?
hearty sierra
Hey I just started is the spear thingy for zag suppose to have that much range ...
Yep, Zagreus's spear Aspect has longer range than most
twin thistle
the special is kinda meh till you get explosive launcher though
lethal dagger
Yeah the spear i can literally hit mag from cross the boss room
lethal dagger
how much are we talking?
Idk
grim parcel
where does Heroic fit in the rarity ladder?
grim parcel
i thought legendary was highest
chrome wharf
Legendary isn't like the other rarities. The boons that are legendary can't be any other rarity
grim parcel
oh....
chrome wharf
And a boon that has variable rarity can't be legendary
Each god only has 1-2 legendary boons
rapid forum
and only poseidon has 2 I think
it suddenly came to my mind
I want poseidon to narrate/present shark week
chrome wharf
Hermes
vapid narwhal
legendary and duo are in another category
paper aurora
How can I ensure not to get boons? If I’m trying to run without them.
rapid forum
You can't
The best you can do is to get at max 3 boons in a biome
And sell them at the end of the biome
Also chamber reroll
chrome wharf
Fated Authority.
rapid forum
But I suggest you save the rolls for styx
In my experince my boonless runs shattered because of styx selection
marsh ore
Can someone explain the pricing scheme for the temple of Styx to me?
lone kernel
Can someone explain the pricing scheme for the temple of Styx to me?
You get the option of an anvil (random lose one hammer then get two) for 275 or a rare hermes boon for 500. Then there are two slots that can offer 300 for a double Pom or 450 for a rarity upgrade boon. Then there’s two slots for standard boons and poms. Lastly there is a bounty (blood for 1200 diamond for 1000) and getting that is very rare and kind of a meme
marsh ore
You get the option of an anvil (random lose one hammer then get two) for 275 or ...
What's a rarity upgrade boon?
twin thistle
What's a rarity upgrade boon?
the more expensive styx boons that have better chances for higher rarity
marsh ore
the more expensive styx boons that have better chances for higher rarity
Ty
Also I'd love to hear everyone share their favorite weapon aspect
vapid narwhal
the 450 boons are guaranteed to be rare or higher
split owl
I am going to start a fresh file after I get the epilogue (If I ever make it) just to see if I can make it out in 1 run now that I know how to play the game. I need more Ambrosia lol
forest falcon
I did the anvil once and i got explosive shot and the charge shot on special on the bow
On chiron
killed the run
twin thistle
I did the anvil once and i got explosive shot and the charge shot on special on ...
thats why you use the power of quit to menu if you have a trash anvil
vapid narwhal
I am going to start a fresh file after I get the epilogue (If I ever make it) ju...
good luck, you will need it! Fresh file run is a challenging category
frozen shore
split owl
good luck, you will need it! Fresh file run is a challenging category
At the very least, I want to beat my initial win - It took me 22 runs to beat Hades the first time. I wanna see if I can do better then that.
pure karma
Wow, I have caught way more fish than I expected
marsh ore
At the very least, I want to beat my initial win - It took me 22 runs to beat Ha...
22?!? Did you get advice or use God mode?
split owl
I have God Mode on whenever I play games like this. I die a horrible death otherwise.
As long as achievements still work, I'll take all the help I can get. lol
split owl
Wow, I have caught way more fish than I expected
I've caught 89 and Poseiden still isn't fulfilling my prophecy.
twin thistle
I've caught 89 and Poseiden still isn't fulfilling my prophecy.
dontcha need a legendary fish for that
halcyon smelt
yup
split owl
It says "Rare", and Crustacean is considered a rare fish, which I've caught several times.
jade zenith
poseidon wants a very rare fish
split owl
Interesting thing I found out today ...It used to be 50 instead of 25.
twin thistle
very rare aka legendary ye
jade zenith
in order to get very rare/legendary fish you need to get perfect catches
marsh ore
I have God Mode on whenever I play games like this. I die a horrible death other...
Oh icic cuz it took some advice from an experienced player to get me my first clear which was my ~120 runs in and I never used God mode because I have way too much time to play videogames
jade zenith
a perfect catch requires a really quick reaction
twin thistle
somewhere around like 330 ms or something
took awhile for me to get the timing down
pure karma
With max LC, does Life affirmation help?
brisk trail
What is the strongest god call?
vapid narwhal
no definitive answer, it depends
raw herald
For DPS, Zeus and Dionysus
For safety, Athena and poseidon
If your build is amazing, dad
vapid narwhal
Aphrodite call is also great
gray apex
Also I'd love to hear everyone share their favorite weapon aspect
4th bow but I suck at it
marsh ore
4th bow but I suck at it
Yea Rama is fun but gets lock out of my fav hammers so I don't use it
high island
Just do twice as many runs and you'll get to use your favorite hammers just as often.
brisk trail
@rapid forum what rail and build did you go for your 10 min time?
marsh ore
Just do twice as many runs and you'll get to use your favorite hammers just as o...
It doesn't work that way sadly
pure karma
Died in Elysium again with 32 heat
This time, bull one-shot me
Didn't expect that damage
raw herald
<@!196283299965042689> what rail and build did you go for your 10 min time?
Likely eris with lightning strike and tidal dash
brisk trail
i have a good strategy for that kat
rapid forum
<@!196283299965042689> what rail and build did you go for your 10 min time?
Eris with zeus
I think I also had rocket bomb with arty
split owl
Dejavu, Meg killed me on my first run.
rose badger
Just bought hades on steam (had it on epic before) and noticed that I got a dialogue before I was supposed to, any idea where I would report that?
high island
F10 in-game for bug reports.
rose badger
Right before I talked to cerberus I got the line "I've got to get out and find my mother" or something of the likes, died to Hades, went back and then found out who my mother is
thank you
vapid narwhal
fresh file?
rose badger
yea I think attempt 6
ebon thistle
Ah, the fun times at 32 heat, where i got hit for 200 damage out of nowhere
vapid narwhal
yeah you should only get that line after getting the flashback
rose badger
I'm 100% sure I got it before because I did a double take
high island
Very sure that's not a bug, but you can report it anyhow.
vapid narwhal
Ah, the fun times at 32 heat, where i got hit for 200 damage out of nowhere
heightend security?
high island
It's intentional.
ebon thistle
Nah, getting hit by Bull on HL5
vapid narwhal
that's pretty yikes
rose badger
How is it intentional to get a line before youre meant too?
high island
You're presupposing that you're not meant to get the line yet.
m saying that's not the case.
rose badger
"I need to get out and find my mother persephone" dies " OMG my mother is persephone!!!"
literally within 20 seconds
high island
That's a flashback scene.
ebon thistle
Because its a flashback. That reveal is what triggered the very first escape attempt
rose badger
I got the first audio during a run
vapid narwhal
yeah Nyaa they got the "I need to find my mother" line, before they got the flashback where Zag finds out that Nyx isnt his mother
rose badger
Right before talking to cerberus
high island
yeah Nyaa they got the "I need to find my mother" line, *before* they got the fl...
Yeah, that's pretty normal in fresh files when you make quick progress.
ebon thistle
Yes, thats still makes sense tho?
vapid narwhal
oh OK then
rose badger
Yeah, that's pretty normal in fresh files when you make quick progress.
Its unintended though is it not?
vapid narwhal
I guess the trigger for that line wasnt tied to the flashback scene somehow?
rose badger
I made too much progress too quickly and the story doesnt line up
ebon thistle
Even if its unintended it doesn't really break game experience, tbh.
rose badger
Still a b ug
ebon thistle
(and the story still lines up tho)
high island
But it doesn't. 
rose badger
What how? 😂
high island
The reveal for you, the player, is simply at a different time.
rose badger
"I need to get out of here" he has no motivation
All of a sudden he mentions something he literally doesnt know yet
ebon thistle
Dude
rose badger
Its like a character talking about a death and then it happening 20 minutes later
ebon thistle
The scene where he find out about his mother is flashback to BEFORE the first escape attempt
rose badger
nah that makes no sense
ebon thistle
He had this motivation since the very beginning. Thats why Zag even trying to escape.
rose badger
Hes totally normal to nix first attempts
And then cold after he finds out about his mother
wait it wasnt even a flashback though he just goes to sleep?
ebon thistle
Yes, he goes to sleep and dreams that sequence.
rose badger
He dreams hypnos putting others to sleep for him so he can walk around
rose badger
So hes literally dreaming of doing something at night he did before? 🤨
high island
Him going to sleep is just a premise to show the flashback scene to reveal his motivation to the player... if you're one of the very few players who makes it to Cerberus before that, you get to hear about it sooner.
rose badger
why can't you just admit you made a mistake lol
How is it a mistake? Its still weird you hear about persephone before the flashback if youre good enough
ebon thistle
(Also the retro-filter is one of the most common ways to distinguish flashbacks visually)
rose badger
I see it doesnt break continuity though
thats cool
They deadass thought of everything
brisk trail
All of a sudden he mentions something he literally doesnt know yet
this is a mistake
high island
Hades's dialogue is slightly different if you get to him on your very first run, too.
ebon thistle
IIRC there's even a unique dialogue if you get to Hades and beat him on very first attempt
rose badger
this is a mistake
?, thats why i was wanting to report it
brisk trail
there's a fair bit of unique dialogue for lots of situations
rose badger
Yea some pretty neat ones so far
brisk trail
?, thats why i was wanting to report it
a mistake on your end not the games lol
rose badger
Nah
brisk trail
he does have knowledge of it when it's mentioned
ebon thistle
The only mistake in Hades is Butterfly miniboss
brisk trail
but you don't seem to be able to grasp that
rose badger
No I understand now it doesnt break continuity
gray apex
The only mistake in Hades is Butterfly miniboss <:dusa:522248771409543188>
And the barge
rose badger
Youre ignoring the fact its weird as a player to suddenly hear about motivation without backstory because you made it to a place quickly
ebon thistle
And the fact that Barge appears on timed runs
brisk trail
why does middle management make barge easier 
ebon thistle
while it does lose a bit of a presentation, there is already tons of spoilers for Hades
known as "myths of ancient greece"
rose badger
You knew who Zagreus was before Hades?
I did an entire Greek Myth class and still hadn't heard of him
raw herald
I didn't know anything about Greek mythology before hades
ebon thistle
No, but the other day i asked "Hey isn't Argentina in Brazil"?
I am
not very smart
raw herald
I bought the game because NintendoLife gave it 10/10
ebon thistle
so of course i wouldn't know
rose badger
Now youre telling me Argentina isnt in Brazil
ebon thistle
high island
Important reminder. https://clips.twitch.tv/PeppyCloudySnoodDoggo-1SiN8wRSl3hsg9j8
gray apex
The September monthly challenge looks kinda spicy
ebon thistle
wait what challenge
ebon thistle
huh, didn't know you guys do something like that here
i would've even participated
maybe
if i wasn't sick
...and had a graphic card to properly record stuff
high island
Girl. It's a girl who comes up with the Monthly Challenges. 
You don't need a recording. Victory screenshot is fine.
ebon thistle
i would need to remap my keyboard controls to remove dashing too
high island
That's a good idea to not accidentally dash, yeah.
gray apex
Just so I'm getting this right, I'm allowed to dash from the Heroes fight onwards?
high island
Yes, and during the fight.
ebon thistle
Can i use mirror-break heat conditions?
high island
Huh?
gray apex
Routine Inspection?
high island
You'll default to Lv.0 Infernal Soul instead of Stygian Soul if you use RI3+, so you can't use that. RI2 I guess is fine since I don't exclude players who haven't maxed the mirror yet from the challenge.
ebon thistle
What about RI4?
high island
RI3+ includes RI4, so no.
If you want to do RI4 challenges, the mirrorless leaderboard starts at 32 and is included in the high heat leaderboard that's pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies.
high island
You're free to do the extra challenge if it's too easy for you without extra parameters.
ebon thistle
Its not like its too easy, its more like i found FO1 to be my new standart
like, its actually harder for me without it in Temple of Styx for example
Ayy, flurry slash, good start
vapid narwhal
I did an entire Greek Myth class and still hadn't heard of him
that's also exactly why Zag is the protagnist
vapid narwhal
you have that clip in your favorites for every time someone mentioned this dont you Nyaa
high island
No, I posted it in her discord when I clipped it, so I just copy it from there.
ebon thistle
I keep confusing Aphrodite and Artemis
because they both best girls and have similar name
also hyper sprint right before Furies this is going incredibly well
gray apex
also hyper sprint right before Furies this is going incredibly well
You're doing EM4 aswell?
high island
Good luck! 
mortal forge
can we still beat meg with stygius?
rapid forum
doing challenge rn
got hypersprint at charon right before meg
...or so I thought it was gonna be meg
Alecto said hi
ebon thistle
aaaand done
tried to gamble for master sword but got dash nova + double nova
could've done it on much higher heat with such good RNG but oh well, i was expecting worst
now back to feeling sick & awful :c
You know at some point i would surely catch Supergiant stuff in this server and ask, who started the trend of putting martyrdom bombs on enemies
cause at some point i started to call those "kasavin presents" and wonder how accurate that is
ebon thistle
Yea, in Hades.
Doesn't work awfully well against same things in Bastion 
IIRC only Pyre doesn't have those in some capacity?
unless its one of the character specific talents
rapid forum
September challenge done
it was peaceful
and relaxing
also it was also my 69th sword clear
which is nice
vapid narwhal
nice
vapid narwhal
you are better than me
whole comet
hey
i wanna ask
is there anyone in the world ever beat 64 Heat?
i only found 1 person on youtube managed 60 Heat.
deep comet
Nope
pure karma
64 heat unseeded? Probably not. Without cheating at least.
whole comet
unseeded meaning?
pure karma
Without tampering the run in any way.
Someone else will have to explain it, because I can't exactly
gray apex
Baj has beat a 64 Heat Seeded Run with Zeus Shield if I’m not mistaken
whole comet
well then, i dun think that video exists on youtube thne
vapid narwhal
64 seeded is done
high island
You can find the high heat leaderboard with video links pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies.
Baj's 64 isn't on YouTube anymore but on bilibili.
vapid narwhal
video is not on youtube
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Mf4y1p7t2
Chinese link so your viewing experience may vary
pure karma
Yo what is Hell Mode?
vapid narwhal
extra difficulty mode at the start of save creation, force 5 heat
also disables god mode entirely
whole comet
ah thx!
whole comet
Are you saying I am gonna have to make a new file?
yes
vapid narwhal
yes needs to be a new file
pure karma
sigh
whole comet
but tbh
pure karma
Should have ticked that
vapid narwhal
yeah once you get used to the game hell mode isnt that bad
pure karma
I am sure I can manage, but I really ont want to unlock everything again lol
vapid narwhal
HL1, LC1, CP1, JS1 and PL
rapid forum
but remember, the witches are your biggest enemy
vapid narwhal
if you are on 32, hell mode is not really relevant
it's not something you havent seen
whole comet
I am sure I can manage, but I really ont want to unlock everything again lol
yeah lol I jump to Hell mode pretty early,
vapid narwhal
besides PL and extra bounties, it does not offer anything extra
whole comet
if u already invest a lot on normal mode... XD
pure karma
I guess I will stay without hell mode for noe
whole comet
well unless you aim to beat 64 Heat as your ultimate goal lol
rapid forum
do hell mode for uh.... heck and giggles.
whole comet
normal mode only gets 63 Heat max
pure karma
Which one is missing?
pure karma
You mean EM4?
whole comet
hopefully i get you interested to start hell mode
pure karma
I have started already and I am about to beat hades what do you mean
whole comet
lol u get to Hades on Fresh run Hell mode?
whole comet
frankly
i think Fresh run first clear is harder than 32 heat
with all the limited boons
pure karma
Oh god I lost the i-frames after getting hit
pure karma
damn this is so much harder than I expected
vapid narwhal
that's PL for you
vapid narwhal
HL1 and JS1 alone on no DD and 50HP with Zag sword 
whole comet
check out the punishment pact
pure karma
But there was a time I thought beating hades would be impoissible
whole comet
and see the last one, personal liability
whole comet
and see what it did
pure karma
Yes I saw
whole comet
now you see?
pure karma
auto defense is like i-frames after you get attacked right?
whole comet
you've been playing easy mode all the time O_O
mint coral
PL is free heat until suddenly its not
vapid narwhal
no, it's the invulnerability shield after taking big damage
whole comet
i dun even notice that normal mode has that until i play Hard Mode
pure karma
no, it's the invulnerability shield after taking big damage
I had never noticed it if I am being honest
whole comet
yeah, as i said, i dun even notice in normal mode there's the shield
vapid narwhal
because you need to take a ton of damage in a single hit for that to trigger
like 100 per hit
whole comet
i dun think so?
vapid narwhal
I dont know the exact number but it's at least 50
mint coral
It depends on your health afaik
whole comet
i think if u take 2 hit and lose lots of hp it still triggers
pure karma
So this is not such a big deal usually
vapid narwhal
oh percentage of HP?
mint coral
Most of the time i see the shield when eating a point blank attack from the witches
whole comet
if you get hit with their big balls then eat all 8 small balls
mint coral
Sometimes dad when boiling blood + spin
pure karma
It seems I suck at this game after all
whole comet
more like, there's more interesting challenge to conquer
whole comet
eh? not that bad
mint coral
I would test hell mode but forced cp1 is boring
whole comet
the really hard part is 1st run
without double dash and Death Defiance make all the difference
pure karma
I feel like such a worthless pleb
whole comet
i hope Super Giant would add some sort of RNG pact
would make it far very interesting
well, for streamers anyway
last veldt
Speed runners hate rng
mint coral
Ap2 RI1 
whole comet
isn't the boons RNG?
mint coral
Unless you pick those 2 pacts i mentioned you still have a lot of consistency on what boons you see
Dark foresight and fated persuasion helps a lot
Except hammers
whole comet
oh well, i dun mind the pact must be always RNG
mint coral
They are a pain
whole comet
but would be nice if such option exists
you set the heat, and the pact RNG which one
last veldt
I hate getting the boon I want straight away but it's common. Sometimes I skip to wait for (hopefully) it to be offered Epic later.
I've even sold common boons and attempted to get them back again later. Selling divine dash is risky.
mint coral
Most of them have decent/great pom scaling tho
Just put 1 or 2 then you have a similar level to a epic one
last veldt
But you gotta spend poms on them instead of other things
mint coral
I've even sold common boons and attempted to get them back again later. Selling ...
Divine dash is like one of the worst target for poms/rarity, you always have deflect
last veldt
That's 2 poms you didn't spend on something else (or 2 boons)
True. I mostly don't care about Divine Dash damage.
I'm sure I've had common Zeus and epic jolted and then sold Zeus (UC) in the hope of getting it back better.
spare tiger
What would you guys say is the most annoying/difficult difficulty mod?
whole comet
the one increase all enemies' speed
mint coral
That's 2 poms you didn't spend on something else (or 2 boons)
But are you always gonna have other boon worth pomming?
mint coral
What would you guys say is the most annoying/difficult difficulty mod?
Routine inspection/heightened security
whole comet
Forced Overtime
that's the one i think is the hardest one
i think 2 rank of that could be harder than EM 4 lol
mint coral
Fo2 with no crazy other pacts is fine after a while
vapid narwhal
RI, AP, HS
whole comet
which is exactly why i think it's the hardest
vapid narwhal
these 3 are always bad regardless what you take
gray apex
Hs kinda fine just takes some getting used to
mint coral
I still think fo2 is better than turning off your mirror skills
whole comet
with FO2?
mint coral
Or trap damage for 1 heat
vapid narwhal
HS is never worth the 1 heat for the attention you need
mint coral
150 damage pots are dumb
vapid narwhal
dont even think about RI, AP, HS and even FO2 on 32
gray apex
I still think fo2 is better than turning off your mirror skills
I agree
whole comet
RI 1 rank is fine imo
vapid narwhal
no, losing reroll is baaaaad
whole comet
since you just have less chance to get rare boons that could be overcome with poms
mint coral
I say fo is fine if you have the experience with it for 32 heat, i never turned it off
gray apex
I would think about RI around 45 ish
vapid narwhal
32 is where you need all the help you need
gray apex
Much better pacts to pick before that
whole comet
i suppose each person is different
whole comet
is it that bad?
gray apex
Yes
vapid narwhal
it is objectively a bad choice at 32
mint coral
The longer you avoid RI the better
whole comet
hmmm.. i have 1 rank on it
vapid narwhal
really, dont
gray apex
You’ll have a much stronger build with RI0
whole comet
and manage to beat 32 beat with all Zeg aspects with all weapons easily
mint coral
Do you use dark foresight or olympian favor?
vapid narwhal
dark foresight all the way for clearing runs
whole comet
Dark Foresight means less darkness/gems, right?
whole comet
i tend to use Olympian favor during early Heats to grind gems
obtuse whale
ioio I have 9 blood and I can either unlock Beo lv 1 or Chaos lv 4. What should I go for? Or something other than shield? I am in early game (beat hades 4 times I think)
mint coral
beo is fine at lvl 1, but it may be not your playstyle ig
obtuse whale
mm I heard that Chaos used to be much stronger than it is now.. is beo much stronger than chaos disregarding the playstyle?
mint coral
yup
obtuse whale
I could also go for lv 4 eris.. ergh so many options to choose from
mint coral
chaos is still decent, but beo is strong
gray apex
It’s up to your playstyle really
mint coral
you can try unlock beo, try it in the courtyard and if you dont like it just quit the game and return
so it doesnt save and you get the blood back
whole comet
yes
spare tiger
Fair warning that Beo shines best once you have a cast
obtuse whale
then beo it is (or at least try it) the requirements for beo was 5 blood spent on the shield, so can I just level Zag's aspect until I reach 5?
spare tiger
If you're on PC with a QOL mod you can test them but if you're on console it'll take a good run
mint coral
then beo it is (or at least try it) the requirements for beo was 5 blood spent o...
Yup, that works
obtuse whale
Fair warning that Beo shines best once you have a cast
mmph I don't know I can use beo that well; I am using a trackpad to play this game so I... even the normal casts are hard to use
spare tiger
mmph I don't know I can use beo that well; I am using a trackpad to play this ga...
It's load a cast and charge
mint coral
Beo plays like hera but your cast dont get stuck on enemies
gray apex
Trackpad is quite interesting
spare tiger
Doing anything on trackpad is hell
obtuse whale
It's load a cast and charge
and the button for load is same with just using the cast normally without beo?
obtuse whale
god two finger tap tap its going to be hard
gray apex
Lol
spare tiger
You can always load preemptively
mint coral
Also remapping maybe?
obtuse whale
it's possible to remap keys??
gray apex
Yes
mint coral
Better late than never
whole comet
wanna ask something about Heat
gray apex
Should improve the Beo experience altho I have no clue how you’re aiming
whole comet
i see lots of people tend to do Tight Deadline
late acorn
Can you only romance one person at a time?
mint coral
can romance all of them
whole comet
but with Tight Deadline on, wouldn't it mean you'll never wanna engage Charon fight since you wanna rush the game?
mint coral
but with Tight Deadline on, wouldn't it mean you'll never wanna engage Charon fi...
charon is something fun, but yeah you dont take that thing
obtuse whale
Should improve the Beo experience altho I have no clue how you’re aiming <:bould...
I have to press it long with to fingers and move my two fingers so it can rotate 360 degrees and it HURTS MY FINGERS A LOT ☠️
gray apex
but with Tight Deadline on, wouldn't it mean you'll never wanna engage Charon fi...
It depends on your pace, with Td2 you have 28 minutes which is plenty with enough practice, TD3 with other pacts can be a pain yea, I rarely take Charon
whole comet
well even if you have the time
obtuse whale
I just remapped it and I can't change the directions.. it will just fire immediately to the direction of my cursor.. this will be fine right?
whole comet
realistic saying, you prolly would still prefer to skip, right?
whole comet
felt like once you had that on, you'll never fight him again
mint coral
i dont fight him often even without TD
gray apex
realistic saying, you prolly would still prefer to skip, right?
I mean if it’s just a fun run i could pick Charon but generally i would rather avoid him yea
gray apex
He can hit hard
mint coral
i sometimes have fighted him just to avoid a god i dont want in my pool lol
thorny mirage
And sometimes having charon late in elysium is sorta pointless
whole comet
64 Heat 😄
gray apex
40
gray apex
Or sub10 all weapons
mint coral
64 heat has only be completed routed so i doubt we are gonna see unseeded 64 soon
whole comet
in any case
u only beat Hades until u 64 Heat all weapons! 😄
but seriously, I guess just try more how far you could do with Heat after 32
cause i dun think u get anymore extra rewards pass 32Heat
whole comet
what do i do now
there's also something fun u could try, Fresh file 1st clear
i'm working on that occasionally on Hell Mode
vapid narwhal
but with Tight Deadline on, wouldn't it mean you'll never wanna engage Charon fi...
I mean yeah? if you are pushing heat, dont take Charon
plus if you know what to do, Charon isnt particularly bad on say, TD2
TD3 is another story obviously
but say you are on 32, TD2 is a very much no brainer
and TD3 isnt off the table at all
vapid narwhal
RI over TD in 32... well that's very unorthodox
whole comet
well
mint coral
how fast are your times normally @ wield?
vapid narwhal
when you are doing 32, TD2 IS free heat
whole comet
30-45? depends
vapid narwhal
doing 32 but your clear time is ...30+?
whole comet
i like to do the chests
mint coral
cant say anything but congrats to that lol
whole comet
and erebos room
vapid narwhal
I guess...
whole comet
and charon too
dusky wedge
Just prioritizing free rooms and pausing when making door choices can probably already make you go fast enough for TD2
Even with the troves
vapid narwhal
but really, try TD2
whole comet
in short, i just enjoy the game more without a deadline forcing me to go fast
mint coral
also are you using jury summons/cp 1 or 2?
vapid narwhal
you dont even need to go fast for TD2
whole comet
yeah
mint coral
those 2 pacts also slow you a lot
vapid narwhal
my PB is 18 minutes which is NOT fast at all
vapid narwhal
yeah again, RI over TD for high heat is really suboptimal and makes things much harder than necessary
mint coral
^ is 6 heat you dont need to put in way more stupid pacts
ofc is still possible, just more annoying
whole comet
i'm not really always having speedrunner mindset
sure, i did often, but i go both ways
vapid narwhal
it's not a speedrunner thing really
mint coral
like i tried to use bp2 for 32 heat rama only to realize i had more than enough time for td3
vapid narwhal
if you can clear 32 with RI on zag aspects
you probably can go up to 40 with TD and no RI
you very much have the skill to do that
because 32 with RI on zag aspects is REALLY hard
whole comet
well, the only Zag i haven't tried with 32 Heat is the fist
dusky wedge
In that sense, that’s why we say TD is free heat, you got fast enough anyway
vapid narwhal
I'm not exaggerating
whole comet
Fist is pretty rough lol
mint coral
is a matter of practice tbh, like having to gain experience with fo 1 or 2, lc4 but the more you avoid the pacts that destroy the consistency is nice
whole comet
well i'm not too worried on high heat anyway atm
as i said, i'm more focusing on Fresh clear hell mode atm lol
Elysium is the worst with sword...
mint coral
fair, what build are you going for?
whole comet
every minions just hard to deal with
other than Athena Dash, you just have to rely on RNG
i did tend to pick Ares
mint coral
just reset until you get ares is nice that first run only have 4 gods
gray apex
Merciful End is usually the go to for fresh file
whole comet
if you get Artemis or Dino
you're kinda screwed
or if you never get Dino and Ares
you're screwed too
whole comet
yeah
in fresh clear, his dot doesn't do that well...
well, i guess i should say
really hard to keep the dot on bosses
and artemis critical strike, also happens a lot less
dusky wedge
Dio needs much setup to do massive damage imo
whole comet
so Ares has the strongest attack/special
dusky wedge
ME still the best for fresh file
whole comet
ME?
mint coral
Dio needs much setup to do massive damage imo
dio needs poms more than anything.... which you wont get much in fresh file
dusky wedge
Merciful End
whole comet
oh yeah
whole comet
duo boon does not even happen a lot
but atm
the biggest problem is still Elysium
those stupid sword guys
even unarmored
they still could hit u
and all armored units sux 😦
i make it to Ely with 200 hp, and tends to get like 40-60 hp on Thessus
could get One hit KOed by Thessus spear
oh, and the pink butterfly miniboss
the WORST
mint coral
fresh file, the only time i like to see asterius more than the ball
whole comet
i try to skip all miniboss room in Elysium
but you knew, sometimes you're forced to pick one
and if i get the pink ball, i just feel like giving up
but tbh
i think the biggest reason i'm having trouble is because i rely on double dash too much on normal runs
obtuse whale
I need help for unlocking Beo.. I have chaos aspect to lv 4 so I am sure that I have spent more than 5 blood on it but when I go to chaos the dialogue "you come to my domain bearing an all-seeing artifact..." does not pop up as instructed in a yt guide.
mint coral
is rng
gray apex
I need help for unlocking Beo.. I have chaos aspect to lv 4 so I am sure that I ...
You have Guan Yu unlocked I assume?
obtuse whale
You have Guan Yu unlocked I assume?
oh my GAWD to I have to have Guan Yu unlocked??
mint coral
only discovered
obtuse whale
oh ye its discovered
mint coral
yeah if you have the blood requisite, just gotta way for chaos to talk about the shield first, then the phrase
aer you doing your runs with the shield right?
thorny mirage
it is
obtuse whale
aer you doing your runs with the shield right?
yes
thorny mirage
it just isn’t immediately guaranteed
thorny mirage
Yep
obtuse whale
do they have.. pity system
because I ran into chaos three times and still have nothing
obtuse whale
gawd.. ig i will have to grind
mint coral
(could be wrong) but only the first talk with chaos has a chance of giving the dialogues you need
livid zealot
can yall name me some useful mirror enhancements/keepsakes for the gauntlet (with talos)?
obtuse whale
(could be wrong) but only the first talk with chaos has a chance of giving the d...
O_o so I have to quit and redo the run after my first chaos gate for the run was spoof?
obtuse whale
I guess I will die in asphodel with lava
mint coral
you either commit die or complete the run
mint coral
after you receive the dialogue about the shield you can get the waking phrase for beo with any weapons, as an aside
obtuse whale
after you receive the dialogue about the shield you can get the waking phrase fo...
so in total two lucky encounters with chaos, right?
this is going to take forever
mint coral
yup (the method is in #h1-story-discussion pins too)
mint coral
at least is not gilgamesh
obtuse whale
gray apex
Goodluck
dusky wedge
can yall name me some useful mirror enhancements/keepsakes for the gauntlet (wit...
Talos doesn’t really need special setups imo, it’s just a regular fist with 2xdash strike, pull, 2xdash strike, pull, or something similar to that for gameplay. For keepsakes, generally people only use god keepsakes for the first two biomes and then either Cthonic Coin Purse, Evergreen Acorn or Sigil of the Dead for the rest of the run, on any weapon. Personally, I like Zeus, Dio or Ares on attack boon for fists, and get Sea Storm, Merciful End or any or all of the Dio duo boons, respectively
livid zealot
thanks, very interesting!
rapid forum
Personally I go for curse of drowning (ares and poseidon duo). It changes poseidon cast to an aoe around you that pulse for 3 waves. You just pop in the cast and pull the enemies.
It's fun 
livid zealot
that sounds great, i havent planned ahead like that yet, just got the upgraded codex, ill try it 😆
rapid forum
It also synergize with sea storm
I had splitting bolt with that combo
Had a looooot of fun
mint coral
blizzard shot also can work
brisk trail
Damn, I keep dying cuz Hades minions
lone kernel
Is there a list of ideas removed in early access? I was watching an old video where it appears mirage shot used to be a regular artemis boon and now im curious
gray apex
I remember Haelian posting something about the old mirror which is quite interesting
pure karma
Fresh file hell mode is draining my sanity
lone kernel
302 heat 
lone kernel
500 percent hard labor 
thick cypress
oh wow, the design of that is stunning omg
lone kernel
It's like I forgot how to play
Would recommend taking a break and playing something else for a while, maybe watch a high heat video
you’ll break the slump tho
and if you’re pushing heat, meg gets sweaty again lol
lone kernel
oh, yeah that’ll do it lmao
pure karma
I want my weapons
thorny mirage
you’re prolly used to the new mirror upgrades and such
pure karma
I am used to having good weapons
And manipulating boons
I cant remember when I unlocked Hera
high island
Is there a list of ideas removed in early access? I was watching an old video wh...
And you can check the history of wiki articles.
lone kernel
oh, based, thanks!
dusky wedge
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/828345223180583002/892037361884610560/ima...
The old pact gives you much more darkness for increasing the heat. That’s much nicer!
nocturne ginkgo
I'm excited to do a run when I get home in a lil bit I think I wanna do a Rama bow run what God should I force
forest falcon
Artemis or aphro are the best for attack i think
pure karma
Yeah Artemis or Aphro for Rama attack. Aphro is more consistent, but Artemis can make some huge numbers. Both are fine.
nocturne ginkgo
I do like big number
pure karma
I usually go for Aphro, because then I can get Zeus special (which is also great) and then go for Smoldering Air with a good call.
nocturne ginkgo
I did a chiron bow run yesterday and it reminded me how much I love this game. Chiron is still my favorite aspect
pure karma
I think you are gonna love Rama once you get used to it
mint coral
chiron is comfy
pure karma
Attack is kinda harder to use because it charges much slower
I have never managed to get a good run with Chiron
I don't get the hype
nocturne ginkgo
Art special chiron is a thing of beauty
mint coral
easy to use tbh, artemis/dio special then aphro attack grab the duo
for artemis you want special damage from chaos
dio wants poms
nocturne ginkgo
Yep
mint coral
aphro special also works (and it can way more fun if you get the legendary)
pure karma
I think Artemis Special works too no?
mint coral
also is really safe, you can just snipe from far away
nocturne ginkgo
I mean if you wanna know how good chiron is
It's the reason zeus has that small internal cool down
mint coral
i mean even without chiron, normal bow special would be way too fun with zeus special lol
just shotgun a boss in the face with lightning
brisk trail
@raw herald how are 7 min times possible on drunken strike zag spear?
is that not really bad?
brisk trail
wouldnt almost any other attack be better though?
raw herald
someones already got a 6:29 with it, and also another one thats sub 7:30 on 32 heat
zeus attack with jolted is the current meta, but tbh zag spear is such an unexplored aspect that anything goes
thorny mirage
What does zag spear do again
brisk trail
+25% special dmg range and speed
raw herald
Its bad achilles
thorny mirage
insert friday night funkin week 7 song 1 reference here
raw herald
people are only running it rn because its aspect of the week in the speedrunning server
brisk trail
i did a backstab zag spear build for i believe my first or 2nd hades clear so i have a soft spot for it
but yeah its terrible
pure karma
I am probably gonna get laughed at, but I did an Achilles build with Zeus on special and it... worked actually.
mint coral
If it works it works
pure karma
It was good
fast willow
for the ||hidden aspects|| in the 5 blood invested does the blood that you use to unlock an aspect count
twin thistle
for the ||hidden aspects|| in the 5 blood invested does the blood that you use t...
pretty sure it doesnt
also forget whether blood in zag aspects counts
meager ridge
i gave up on this game weeks ago but for some reason i still want to play it
maybe i'll give it one more shot
lone kernel
maybe i'll give it one more shot
meager ridge
i don't know why i want to give it another shot
i know it always ends badly
screw it, time to install the game again
late acorn
for the ||hidden aspects|| in the 5 blood invested does the blood that you use t...
Yes what I did was I unlocked all the non hidden aspects of one weapon then upgraded the zag aspect once then it’s enough to proc the dialogue from the guy who will give you the hidden aspect
gray apex
screw it, time to install the game again
can't go wrong with that
pure karma
When the game decides to tell you "nope" and spawns 4 voidstones in the Hades fight.
high island
When the game decides to tell you "nope" and spawns 4 voidstones in the Hades fi...
Just circle him while you take care of the Voidstones.
split owl
Yes what I did was I unlocked all the non hidden aspects of one weapon then upgr...
If the wiki is anything to go by, the Zag aspect only works to unlock the first hidden aspect you can get. For the rest, you can't use Zag and need 5 Titan Blood in others.
late acorn
If the wiki is anything to go by, the Zag aspect only works to unlock the first ...
I’m just saying what worked for me
void vigil
its the opposite actually
im pretty sure the blood you use to unlock aspects counts, for guan yu you cant use zag aspects (since it requires unlocking new aspects across all weapons) and for the rest you can use zag aspects (since they require 5 blood invested in the weapon, doesnt matter where)
if the wiki says otherwise lmk where, ill fix it
meager ridge
are there any builds to wreck hades
i don't want to waste 30 minutes of my life again
twin thistle
made a new file and tiny vermin fourth run lmao
twin thistle
are there any builds to wreck hades
well merciful end is easy when you dont have many aspects unlocked/upgraded
ppl mostly use ME for fresh file
i just did a run with it 3rd escape attempt and cleared
meager ridge
oh god here we go
twin thistle
any weapon tbh
thorny mirage
athena on flourish and dash
twin thistle
here's an ME build vs a rat https://streamable.com/bxlu62
I like how in my first file i didn't see the rat till escape like 50 but in this file its in my 4th escape attempt
whole comet
I can't even reach elysium
you're still on easy part then, i'm afraid XD