h1-discussion

[late harbor]

and styx

[stoic flame]

hey what does parting shot d

o

i forgor 💀

[mint coral]

casts can backstab and get +35% bonus damage to backstab (only cast)

[stoic flame]

ah

[copper elbow]

52 runs in and achilles finally decided to let me unlock the hidden aspect for varatha

[manic bobcat]

Tisiphone: Murderer.
Zagreus: Stop calling me a murderer or I will kill you to prove my point.

[stoic flame]

i saw this meme on reddit just this morning

you are being condemned to eternal twitter scrolling for stealing memes

[manic bobcat]

oohhhh noooo

But it was OC, your honor

I promise

[acoustic plank]

I finally cleared the fated list and there was no achievement

[stable glen]

I just realized the game never saved my 40 heat fist and sword runs

what the hell

I have the victory screens

[stoic flame]

rip

[plucky latch]

You're a liar and Hades knows it

[stable glen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/882484700868902952/unknown.png

ill show my current stats after this run ends

[manic bobcat]

it says best 40 on the side right there no?

[plucky latch]

4 drop the 0

[stable glen]

That's the old SS

[plucky latch]

Also that's a picture from the past. Not his current runs

[stable glen]

something happened with the save I think

let me finish this run and ill see what it says

[stable glen]

DAMN FO2 CHARIOTS

[worthy geyser]

Am I doing something wrong? I haven't seen one legendary fish

[carmine ravine]

Yes, that something is ||your luck||

[manic bobcat]

do you know how to do perfect catches?
you can only see legendary fish if you do perfect catches

[worthy geyser]

ahhhh right

no I don't know how to do perfect cvatches

[manic bobcat]

so it's timing based

im assuming you know how to catch a fish

perfect catch is exactly that, but faster

a trick is to cover the bouy just enough with your finger and look for a flash of light atop said finger

it improves your reaction because you don't need to worry about the fake bops

[worthy geyser]

oh thank you!

[fathom moth]

fool

that was

slightly different

[forest falcon]

Also there can't be more than 3 fake outs

When fishing

[high island]

Excellent.

[wise oasis]

Got my third dose today, time to use my new powers to beat 65 heat

[stoic flame]

😎

[lofty cloud]

Am I the only one getting tiny updates for Hades on Steam every day? (< 80 Kb)

[kind swan]

Omg, EM3 Theseus looks ridiculous.

[granite cipher]

I need help

[wise oasis]

what do you need help with?

[dusky wedge]

Curse of Longing isn’t too shabby, ngl. It’s like one of those QoL thing, I just need to inflict Doom once, and just keep refreshing the Weak with Aphro dash or attack

Neat

[twin thistle]

well still gotta refresh doom or else the damage will be ass

[dusky wedge]

And Smoldering Air is quickly becoming my favorite duo boon nowadays, just spamming Zeus calls is good, with Billowing Strength and Jolted

[twin thistle]

yeah smouldering air is really good

[dusky wedge]

Really? I don’t see the Doom goes down, it keeps hitting over and over again as long as I have Weak active on said enemy

[granite cipher]

When I i die I have to restart the whole game?

[twin thistle]

the damage halves every tick unless you reapply it

[dusky wedge]

Just the whole run, not the whole game

[dusky wedge]

Ahh, I see

[twin thistle]

tis a rougelite

[wise oasis]

no, just need to do it again (from the first biome)

mirror upgrades stay

[twin thistle]

amoung other things

[granite cipher]

I beat tartarus

And now I died Im back in Taratrus

[twin thistle]

ya

[dusky wedge]

So the successive hit damage: 50% means it got halved every single tick. Got it. Well, knowing that now, it feels suck lol

[twin thistle]

yep lmao

[high island]

It's decent.

[granite cipher]

I have to play it AGAIN???????

[twin thistle]

ya 🤷‍♂️

thats how a rougelite works

[dusky wedge]

The game itself is short, if you’re wondering. The gameplay loop here is that you traverse all the biomes (Tartarus, Asphodel, etc) over and over again

That’s how roguelites are

[granite cipher]

So I now play it from the beginning pain

[twin thistle]

it can take less than 15 minutes to do a whole run if youre good and have the upgrades

[granite cipher]

Like

I just lost all my abilities

[twin thistle]

not boons

[dusky wedge]

The challenge here is basically you trying to complete it again with higher difficulty, or speedrunning it, if you’re into that

[twin thistle]

you have permanent upgrades from the mirror in your room

[dusky wedge]

[twin thistle]

boons

are

boons

[dusky wedge]

The god abilities

[granite cipher]

That wasn’t me

[deft remnant]

the goal for me is making fun builds

cast build, attack spam build etc

[burnt breach]

👍

[kind swan]

And for me rn, getting eight nectar to advance the story.

[last veldt]

Trading keys for nectar is great for filling out hearts.

[polar marsh]

If u got enough gemstones and u already used the gemstones for the cosmetics for the house

[merry bane]

https://imgur.com/NS3obg5

[cyan tiger]

noo

[last veldt]

Does Supergiant collect any aggregated stats on Hades (e.g. average number of runs before first win). I'd be interested to know if i was ahead or behind the curve.

[brisk trail]

what run did u get your first win?

[last veldt]

40 ish, but some runs before that were farming and testing weapons/boons, so not expected to succeed.

[brisk trail]

way behind then

[last veldt]

80ish for credits and 115 or so for epilogue.

[brisk trail]

if I had to guess probably like 20 would be the average

25 maybe

[last veldt]

Fair enough. I'd be interested in the true stats of they collect them. Boon choices would be fascinating too.

And boon choices and people do more runs might tell an interesting story.

[vapid narwhal]

20-40 is the usual range for first clears

[fathom moth]

amogus

[brisk trail]

yo is eurydice in asphodel still in game? I've done about 10 runs after a long break from the game and didn't see her once.

[stoic flame]

blame RNGesus

[brisk trail]

yeah I mean the chance of that happening seemed too low so I just thought they deleted it lmfao. Maybe there are some prerequisites for her to appear I weren't getting often

[burnt breach]

My mod Pony's Quality of Life has a feature that lets you always encounter Sisyphus, Eurydice and Patroclus

[brisk trail]

im not a cheater

[manic bobcat]

well it's cheating if you intent to use it as a cheat.
it's a feature if you use it to make the game more enjoyable to you.

[brisk trail]

equipped the ares keepsake

hoping for blade rift

poseidon comes along and gives me fish 😭

[limber fossil]

Fimsh

[hollow wave]

Hey all

I got a question about Hades lore

[manic bobcat]

shoot

[hardy ingot]

Do ask

[hollow wave]

Is it ever confirmed when exactly Hades takes place? Ive always thought around modern times due to the food, gears in the areas between realms of Hades, etc

[hardy ingot]

Hmm

Not sure

Lemme check

Can’t find anything

[manic bobcat]

presumably in antiquity because they refer to various historical characters like Gilgamesh, Arthur, Guan Yu, etc. as future warriors.

[hardy ingot]

I’d guess it would be somewhat near the 19th century maybe

Since exagryph would be a slight time stamp maybe

[manic bobcat]

as for the world design, i think that's just so we have a bit more varied gameplay

[hearty sierra]

I like how Lore Olympus does it

[manic bobcat]

they dev didn't care too much about keeping things consistent tech wise, they just put things that makes sense for the game

they said that in an interview

[hardy ingot]

Lore olympus is great

[hearty sierra]

Makes gods millennia quicker, technology wise than mortals

[manic bobcat]

so i won't look into the existence of a literal machine gun as proof of hades happening in modern time

[hardy ingot]

Oh yea no

[hollow wave]

Thats the like college Olympus one right?

[vast nacelle]

yeah

[hollow wave]

I need to get around to reading that

[hearty sierra]

More of a retelling of how Hades and Persephone got together, but yes, I suppose "college Olympus" explains it as welll

It's very pretty and I like the character design - but we're getting off topic

If you're dating the game based on food, then gyros (the healing meal you get) originated in 1922

[hollow wave]

Aren't there also Fast Food like fries? I remember seeing those

[hearty sierra]

And... You can't really date it based on weapons

[void vigil]

iirc greg said supergiant do have a specific point in time in mind when hades takes place... but they arent going to reveal it haha

[hearty sierra]

I don't evem know where the banana spear came from or how it even stabs people

[manic bobcat]

yeah the food icon is burger and fries lol

[hollow wave]

Yeah

[hearty sierra]

Hah

[manic bobcat]

did you know that in the earliest stage of development, Theseus was supposed to be the main character?

[void vigil]

theres some concept art of that stage floating around and its really cool

[hollow wave]

Gods no

[hearty sierra]

I mean, it'd work great

[hollow wave]

Yeah but imagine seeing his face with every bit of dialogue

[hearty sierra]

It isn't like any of the olympians who had well-established canon

[hearty sierra]

I imagine they'd tone down his annoying factor by 100 lmao

But yeah my point is that they'd have lots of creative space if they picked theseus as protag as well

[wise oasis]

He's an intentionallu annoying and unlikable character, he'd probably be closer to zag if he was the main character

[hollow wave]

I feel bad for Asterius

[wise oasis]

Although they'd be more limited since Theseus has much more written about him than zag

[hollow wave]

Make Asterius the MC

Better idea

HYPNOS AS THE MC

[void vigil]

sleeping simulator

actually a game about welcoming shades to the house of hades could be kind of funny

[hearty sierra]

The thing is, you can write off-canon stuff and it'd still come out great

Inherent nature of anything athenian

Including the king

You get to rewrite history into the most badass version of you

[hollow wave]

Also

What are those skulls on Zagreus?

[void vigil]

https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/5/22315749/hades-theseus-worst-character-zagreus-supergiant
heres the article with the concept art btw

... a three-headed dog skull?

[hollow wave]

what

[void vigil]

you asked about the skulls

[stoic flame]

lmao

[quaint wind]

loving theseus's concept art

dune sting metal diaper

[stoic flame]

stop 💀

[void vigil]

@brisk trail keep it clean, please

[hollow wave]

Hey uh question is ||Temple of Styx|| considered a spoiler?

[void vigil]

All spoilers are allowed in this channel

[hollow wave]

Ah

Well

Suprised that realm wasn't as tough as Elysium or Ashpodel

[covert zenith]

Poison and minibosses can be tough
Though I agree Elysium is harder

[hollow wave]

Also those like snakestones were somehow easier to deal with then even their Tartarus counterparts

At least 1 v 1 they were

Should I get aspect of Poseidon or Demeter?

[stoic flame]

i'd say demeter

[south lagoon]

if you like doing cast builds then poseidon is fun. otherwise demeter yeah

[hollow wave]

I don't really do builds in my runs

Just go with fun stuff

[south lagoon]

probably go with dem then

i do think poseidon is fun to play but you get more out of it if you're building around your cast

[hollow wave]

Aight

[brisk trail]

but the build is the fun stuff 😔

[hollow wave]

Maybe Posedion would be good to try and learn builds

[south lagoon]

maybe worth a shot! doing builds doesn't have to be about finding the Objectively Best way to play, equally fun to just experiment with things

[lone kernel]

what if the next hypothetical update allows players to play as meg, theseus, asterius, achilles, etc

[wise oasis]

meg can just spam meg summons

[lone kernel]

one thing i found super helpful when learning was to start coin purse then take whatever boon i got and made it work for myself

but if you start off with like, splash dash

or athena dash

that'll be a good start like no matter what lol

[hollow wave]

Splash Dash sounds like a theme park ride

[lone kernel]

it basically is

must have 2 dashes or more to ride

[hollow wave]

Like at a Percy Jackson theme park

[lone kernel]

the real theme park is when you get to styx with splash dash

and do the hallway rooms in like

two seconds

and feel like a badass

[hollow wave]

Wait wait wait

what if there was a update for a Percy Jackson NPC?

[stoic flame]

no

[hollow wave]

Yes

[brisk trail]

maybe he does exist just on olympus where we can see or meet him

funny I joined the discord and my game decides to crash

[hollow wave]

I got a question

[stoic flame]

is there a mod that adds more gods to the game?

[hollow wave]

How do I deepen my relationship with Skully? I was told its by getting 4 non Zagreus aspects

[stoic flame]

have you given him enough nectar?

he will give you a "quest"

[hollow wave]

Wait he wants to talk now

[stoic flame]

epic

[lone kernel]

That would be an ambitious project

[stoic flame]

yeah

[lone kernel]

but given the size of the community, maybe?

[stoic flame]

thats just hades 2 lol

[lone kernel]

balancing it would be a challenge lol

[stoic flame]

true

[manic bobcat]

it's a single player game, i would argue balancing is the least of the concerns tbh

[stoic flame]

but is there a mod that adds more boons to existing gods tho

[wise oasis]

probably

Id check around on nexus or ask in the modding server maybe

[stoic flame]

hmm

im not that into mods

just asking for curiosity

i like my vanilla games

[hollow wave]

I don't wanna kill him

[burnt breach]

there isn't unfortunately

[stoic flame]

dont worry it is a cool surprise

[wise oasis]

Aw feelsbad

[stoic flame]

😔

[burnt breach]

I did make a proof of concept for Hestia, with 5 working boons

[hollow wave]

Apollo boons

[burnt breach]

but we're missing too much key technology to make it right

[manic bobcat]

The technology is not there yet

[stoic violet]

Does Apollo's plume work in the last area? With all the mini encounters?

[burnt breach]

hermes*

[stoic violet]

Shoot, yeah

Does it?

[raw herald]

Only the last one in each chamber

[vapid narwhal]

only the final tunnel room counts

[stoic violet]

So it probably isn't worth it

[vapid narwhal]

however the logic of how tunnels count are not consistent

[manic bobcat]

No prob not

[stoic violet]

Also how do I nickname myself for a specific server?

[manic bobcat]

On phone or?

[gentle mason]

Basically, each tunnel counts for Pom Blossom and for leveling keepsakes but only the last room counts for the Plume & the Butterfly.

[stoic violet]

Ok

On phone

Oop! Found it!

[manic bobcat]

Kay

[stoic violet]

I need nickname ideas having to do with Gilgamesh fists..... Hmmmmm

They're my favorite weapon

[manic bobcat]

Gilgamesh, more like Gigameh, am I right

[stoic violet]

Also it's my first time goin against full extreme measures Hades. Should I go acorn?

[raw herald]

Tooth

[stoic violet]

Okie

[gentle mason]

Good luck

[manic bobcat]

Acorn is fine i think

[stoic violet]

I've got no clue what's gonna happen

Uh, tooth or acorn? Idk what would be better

[manic bobcat]

Either

[raw herald]

Acorn can be eaten up by minibosses

Very quickly

[stoic violet]

Like the minions he summons?

[manic bobcat]

Yeah but you can also dodge those attacks

[raw herald]

[vapid narwhal]

acorn >>> everything else for 3rd / 4th boss survival

[wise oasis]

Can also dodge hades attacks by that logic

[manic bobcat]

Hades attacks are harder to dodge

Especially when he throws the spear and rush more often now

[vapid narwhal]

tooth might be useful if you are on a high heat run with SD but did not get any extra DD via Chaos or Athena

but otherwise, Acorn

[manic bobcat]

It's a trade off, that's my point

[stoic violet]

Um.... Is Achilles trinket good? Defence?

[raw herald]

Ngl I've won against EM4 once during an actual high heat run, and I did take acorn

[vapid narwhal]

for defence/survival, collar - tooth - acorn

[stoic flame]

i forgot what his thing was

[raw herald]

But that wasn't the acorn that won it for me

[brisk trail]

ah yes escaping is a minor prophecy

[vapid narwhal]

collar is less useful once you unlock Thick Skin

so most of the time it's between tooth and acorn

[stoic violet]

For info I have three DD

[gentle mason]

I like it, especially for Styx poison help.

[vapid narwhal]

acorn is better for both heroes and hades

[manic bobcat]

Acorn or tooth is up to personal preference, then

[raw herald]

Spearpoint is decent actually

[manic bobcat]

Just pick either

[stoic violet]

It works against POISON?

[raw herald]

I take tooth for EM3 because Asterius miniboss is hard

[stoic flame]

spearpoint is good

[vapid narwhal]

acorn is even better with EM3

[gentle mason]

It delays the poison damage giving you more time to get to the wells.

[stoic violet]

That's amazing

So I'm right before the last area and still dunno what I'd wanna use... X3

[stoic flame]

i think spearpoint will be a fair choice for em4 so that you dont get death combo'd

also styx

[gentle mason]

This is also true.

[stoic violet]

Okie

Wish me luck

HECK

I only had two DD

I couldn't see and forgot

[stoic flame]

you'll be fine

[stoic violet]

Hopefully I can buy one

[stoic flame]

just dont lose one in styx

because 1dd is a one dd too less

[stoic violet]

SICK

Two rooms in and I got the sack

Do I go another to find another DD?

[raw herald]

I wouldn't

[stoic violet]

I'm fairly confident I'll be fine

Other than if I get small vermin

[twin thistle]

i like how i first got small vermin after like 50 clears but now it feels like it pops up all the time lmao

[stoic violet]

I'm at the boss room!! Got like two more boons from other rooms

[dusky wedge]

What does Decathlete on victory screen mean?

[stoic violet]

I SO wish he dropped his cloak to reveal stupid buff arms like the Dedede fight in Star Allies with EM4

[brisk trail]

I just harassed tisiphone with the sheild

[wise oasis]

10 win streak

[stoic violet]

Heck, third phase, of course there was one

I died

[twin thistle]

rip

[dusky wedge]

Oh. Thanks!

Didn’t even realize it

[wise oasis]

Congrats!

[brisk trail]

lol casually gets win streak

[dusky wedge]

Low heat btw

3-9 heat most of the time

Just me messing around with cast builds

[brisk trail]

casts aren't very great imo

unless you get something with zues or artemis

some of the boons kinda make it suck more

60 damage is very low for me

[dusky wedge]

You need to try some of the cast-focused weapons

[raw herald]

Casts are good

[dusky wedge]

Poseidon, Achilles, Beowulf and very powerful

[raw herald]

Pom them

A lot

[brisk trail]

You can pom casts?

[dusky wedge]

Get Mirage Shot too

[raw herald]

If you get a boon for them, sure

[dusky wedge]

Lightning Phalanx is good room clear

[brisk trail]

I got the cast that does a burst and gives enemies weak

I hated it

[stoic violet]

What's the highest pact heat cleared? Just curious

[stoic violet]

Aphro cast? It's stupid strong

[manic bobcat]

61

[brisk trail]

how

I died using it

[manic bobcat]

Technically 64 routed but 61 is "natural"

[dusky wedge]

It’s one of the more dangerous casts, but it has the highest damage per shot

[brisk trail]

huh

[stoic violet]

Aphro cast with Hera bow is yesssssss

[brisk trail]

Sometimes I wish there were ways to practive with boons on skelly

[manic bobcat]

Mod is your friend

[dusky wedge]

Still don’t like it very much as well though, because it sucks on Poseidon, not AoE

[gentle mason]

The big issue with Aphro's cast is the range is terrible but it is high damage.

[stoic violet]

That'd be nice

[stoic violet]

Imagine playing on PC, couldn't be me

[brisk trail]

I play on pc with a gamepad

[dusky wedge]

If I can mod the game on the Switch, I’ll do it in a heartbeat

Easier to practice speed runs

[brisk trail]

I don't know how to mod

nor do I want to

it sounds scary

[dusky wedge]

Doesn’t Steam have easy modding solutions nowadays?

[stoic violet]

Modding is ez once you do it the first time

[dusky wedge]

Well, there’s a mod that modified how the Skelly practice works, easy experimenting

[stoic violet]

Really that just seems to be a rule for any game

[dusky wedge]

That’s what you want, right?

[burnt breach]

that requires a hacked switch

[dusky wedge]

And that’s why I don’t want to try it

Seems too much hassle

[burnt breach]

[dusky wedge]

I would mod Hades, not my Switch though

[manic bobcat]

Modding mostly includes downloading things from nexusmod, copy pasting files, occasionally renaming things.
Very advanced I tell you. Should only be done by computer experts with 10 years of experience.

[burnt breach]

exactly

[hollow wave]

I wish Hypnos was romanceable...

[dusky wedge]

Hackerman engaged

[lone kernel]

Modding switch is super risky

Easy to brick your switch and then Nintendo will laugh at you if you ask for help

[brisk trail]

how yo get shield hidden aspect

[wise oasis]

Talk to chaos, they'll give the phrase

[gentle mason]

details about all the hidden aspects are pinned in #h1-story-discussion

[brisk trail]

thanks...

daniel

Omg I'm so bad I can barely even do heat 16

[stoic flame]

you'll get there

[hollow wave]

Will Hades ever get any form of story DLC?

[brisk trail]

DLC? you mean things I pay for to get extra content?

not very downloadable when I can't afford it

[wise oasis]

It will not, games complete

[hollow wave]

Alright thanls

[wise oasis]

Can always make headcannon

[hollow wave]

Not really since I still haven't beaten the storu

Im REALLY close though

[wise oasis]

Sorry if I sound mean or anything, don't mean to

Covid booster shot doing things to me

On #3, first one gave me just a sore arm too

[hollow wave]

What do yall think is the hardest boss excluding the final boss

[wise oasis]

Charon

[signal aspen]

bull man

[hollow wave]

Bone Hydra

[dusky wedge]

Charon

[hollow wave]

Best Olympian? For me Artemis hands down

Shes so adorable

[signal aspen]

bouldy

[stoic flame]

ah yes the extremely dignified olympian

bouldy

[fathom moth]

dusa

[vapid phoenix]

Best boons for malphon?

[stoic violet]

So with the fists and lambent plume, how much dodge chance can I get?

[vapid phoenix]

I’m running default malphy rn

[mint coral]

normally plume goes to 32.x% of dodge chance (assuming you get each proc), you need other hermes boons if you wanna reach 100%

[stoic violet]

They allow 100% dodge?

[mint coral]

not always but yes

[twin thistle]

pretty sure dodge is multiplicative

[stoic violet]

I'm liking fists more and more

[mint coral]

ruthless reflex is +50% dodge chance by narrowly dodging an attack for 2 secs

[vapid phoenix]

Wait what do fists do for dodge?

[mint coral]

zag fists give 15% dodge chance

[vapid phoenix]

Oooo

[signal aspen]

no

damage resistance is

[last veldt]

Talos fists, draining cutter and the aoe landing great.

[stoic violet]

Also how do you spell the name of the rail? Exagryph?

[last veldt]

Add Poseidon special and it's pinball

[signal aspen]

eggsagriff

[twin thistle]

aint it a bit easy to get 100% then

[vapid phoenix]

What makes Demeter so good on malphon?

[mint coral]

demeter aspect of fists is great

[twin thistle]

fast attacks apply chill quickly but id go zeus probably

[last veldt]

I don't think it is, but I assume since you hit fast you get to 10x chill easily on Hestia

[signal aspen]

she has rare crop

and uh

uh

idk

[void vigil]

you can apply a lot of stacks of chill, i suppose, but i think people are talking about demeter aspect when theyre talking about demeter being good on fists

[twin thistle]

fast weapons usually want zeus attack cuz lightning go brrr

[last veldt]

Hang on, I'm confused.

Right Demeter fists, not Hestia. My mistake.

[vapid phoenix]

Kek

[void vigil]

and what makes demeter aspect good is that giga cutter hits hard

[last veldt]

I've done whole runs with Talos where I literally didn't use attack once. Special and cast all the way.

Talos and Crush Shot.

[brisk trail]

why does eveyone sound british if they're greek

[mint coral]

when i used talos i never noticed the extra cast damage lmao

[last veldt]

Really?!

I thought it made a big difference.

[mint coral]

tbf when i used it i just readed "pull enemies" brought it asap and that was when i started the game

aka when you dont use cast bc it seems useless

[last veldt]

It goes so well with Crush Shot. Pull em in, nuke em, get cast back.

[vapid phoenix]

If I’m gonna go merciful end, who’s attack is better?

[signal aspen]

dionysus

[void vigil]

here are some answers:
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[vapid phoenix]

I reckon ares on attack, right?

[signal aspen]

yeah

ares attack, athena special, athena dash

[vapid phoenix]

Although Athena seems better with all the deflects

Guess I gotta get good deflecting with special

[ashen ether]

Hades music is good music

[strong ridge]

big

[mint coral]

you dont use special to trigger ME
just to get it in 1st place

[brisk trail]

mmmm in some cases yes but some cases no

what does a greek accent even sound like

[strong ridge]

y athena so strict with duo

[mint coral]

"too op, pls nerf"

[twin thistle]

like a greek accent

[last veldt]

Kinda hard to type an accent in. YouTube will have "learn Greek" videos.

[strong ridge]

some accents can be similar

but ya talking cant beat it

[last veldt]

It's not similar to much.

Not similar to Italian or Spanish for example (though they are a bit similar to each other by being Romance languages)

Greek is greek and predates most lanugages around it.

Which where derived from Roman/Latin.

[ocean oyster]

What’s better between Eris and Achilles?

[twin thistle]

uh achilles for cast build is better but eris in general is better than achilles

[lone kernel]

Eris requires fewer brain cells to get the same result

[signal aspen]

achilles needs flurry jab if you arent going for a cast build

[lone kernel]

Achilles slaps but if you don’t get the duo cast you wanted til late can be tough

Eris literally Zeus attack to win

[ocean oyster]

Aight thanks

And for the Mirror of Night:
Family Favorite vs Privileged Status
God’s Legacy vs God’s Pride

[gentle mason]

Family Favorite is more consistent and thus better. God's Legacy vs. God's Pride is a question of if the build you are going for needs Duos or Legendaries.

[strong ridge]

priv stat 4 boss
fam fav 4 rest of game

[lone kernel]

my rule of thumb: if im opening aphrodite or dionysus or someone where i'll get status regardless or want status regardless, ill go p stats, but otherwise fam fav (prob run pstats 25% of the time). re legacy/pride - if i'm like "i want to do smoldering air" or "i want crystal beam" then legacy, otherwise not

but for achilles, legacy for sure

if your goal is hunting blades/meme beams

[vapid phoenix]

Best boons for chiron bow?

[signal aspen]

aphro attack, artemis/dio special, and then get some duo boons

[vapid phoenix]

I’ve got base Chiron now atm cuz I have such little experience with the bow

[vapid phoenix]

What if I went pure Artemis

[twin thistle]

lvl 1 aint great

[vapid phoenix]

Yeah I figured

Same with hades spear

[twin thistle]

you kinda really want aphrodite for heart rend

[vapid phoenix]

Although I love these two aspects

Damn that’s a good duo

Never gotten this before even in my first save file

[twin thistle]

if you dont have much titan blood you can also upgrade zag bow

its really good actually

[vapid phoenix]

Oh I don’t have any titan blood

I’ll just stick with Chiron for now

especially since I really just like it’s design

[lone kernel]

Chiron bow at level 1 is nowhere near as good as at level 5, but it would still work reasonably well with Zeus special (2 lightning blasts per hit vs 3 from maxed bow is acceptable)

[vapid phoenix]

KEK I got the relentless volley at the start

[lone kernel]

or just do that

hahaha

based

[twin thistle]

that works

[vapid phoenix]

Well I haven’t actually chosen anything yet but

I’ve got triple shot, concentrated and relentless volley

Triple shot seems bad

[twin thistle]

its better with other aspects

[vapid phoenix]

Is concentrated good?

[lone kernel]

Take relentless

[vapid phoenix]

Seems like it

[lone kernel]

Concentrated becomes good with max level

[twin thistle]

concentrated is the best. with max level chiron

[lone kernel]

But for now take relentless

[vapid phoenix]

K then. I’ll try to get both

[lone kernel]

That’ll play like a level 4 aspect, which is worth the hammer choice

[vapid phoenix]

Lol emotes

[lone kernel]

Whatever happens happens with the other hammer

[twin thistle]

triple + max zag bow = boss melt

[lone kernel]

What special you taking

[twin thistle]

or anything melt

[vapid phoenix]

Artemis

[lone kernel]

Heart rend

[vapid phoenix]

Yup

[lone kernel]

Aphro attack

Is super based

[vapid phoenix]

Yup

[lone kernel]

click button bad guy die

[signal aspen]

and take some chaos gates for poggers special damage

[lone kernel]

yep

[vapid phoenix]

Kk

[lone kernel]

I love chaos money boons lol

[vapid phoenix]

Oh for effs sake

First chamber rewards me to go to Aphrodite and chaos

Chaos might not show up again but I have Aphrodite’s keepsake on rn

[lone kernel]

zeus on the special is also a good option

just in case

[vapid phoenix]

Noted

[lone kernel]

and on heart rend, you want aphro attack artemis special not the other way around

but you could also artemis attack dionysus special lol

ok imma do a chiron run rn too

youve inspired me

[vapid phoenix]

Heh got no special boons from chaos

Just attack, rewards and backstab damage

[twin thistle]

well you can backstab with chiron

[vapid phoenix]

Yeah but it means chamber rewards are hidden

Ah well, screw it

[hollow wave]

Uh why did one of my keepsakes expire?

[twin thistle]

which

[lone kernel]

I love taking enshrouded in Tartarus

Always makes my build weird

[hollow wave]

Spiked Collar

[twin thistle]

also uh expire as in cant equip it?

[lone kernel]

Yeah you can’t take a keepsake off and put it back on in same run

[twin thistle]

^ zat

[vapid phoenix]

The rewards have been pretty good and non-strange atm

[lone kernel]

nice. i mean like, when i'll get a random demeter and think, what the hell, ice special this time (with like, eris rail, fists, shield etc)

while i may have avoided dem otherwise

[vapid phoenix]

I GOT ARTEMIS

[hollow wave]

I could have sworn I was using a different keepsake lol

[vapid phoenix]

This is the run

[hollow wave]

Protecc the Goddess

[lone kernel]

[vapid phoenix]

Time to pump her full of gifts

BROOOOO

[stoic violet]

What rewards can I change into boons other than other boons? I wanna try and get as many Hermes as possible

[vapid phoenix]

ALL HER BOONS ARE EPIC

I got epic deadly flourish

[signal aspen]

you can only get 3 hermes boons per run

[hollow wave]

Boo

Hermes is awesome

[signal aspen]

you can get a third one in the styx shop

[hollow wave]

Sidon my beloved

[stoic violet]

HECK

Hermes best boi.....

[hollow wave]

Wanna know whos a better boi?

Hypnos

[signal aspen]

bouldy

[vapid phoenix]

Special attack melts...

[stoic violet]

Hypnos is adorable, but Hermes is great :3

[lone kernel]

Yeah once you get heart rend you’ll be happy

Relentless volley is a good second hammer now, would highly eecommend Athena keepsake for asphodel to get a lil defense

[vapid phoenix]

Bruh

Found Aphrodite

She gave me a heroic boon

Guess which boon it is

[strong ridge]

sorundr

[signal aspen]

yeah probably sorundr

[vapid phoenix]

Sorundr?

I got heartbreak flourish

[stable glen]

Does anyone else really hate FO2?

[hollow wave]

FO2?

[stable glen]

How am I supposed to dodge 3 purple lernie heads at 45 heat

Forced Overtime 2

[vapid phoenix]

There’s no element F?

[raw herald]

What aspect?

[stable glen]

Eris

[signal aspen]

just kill it lmao

[raw herald]

True

[strong ridge]

slapper on them looker

[stable glen]

3 damn purple heads at each side of the field, all shooting one after the other

[vapid phoenix]

Is different league good?

I reckon it is, no?

[raw herald]

Is that the damage reduction one

[vapid phoenix]

Yup

The higher ones

[raw herald]

Yeah it's pretty good I guess

[vapid phoenix]

Jeez I just melted tisiphone

The one I have most trouble with

[stable glen]

God I can't stand FO2

[twin thistle]

then dont use it

[vapid phoenix]

Should I stick to my aphro keepsake to try and find heartrend or Artemis’?

I reckon Artemis to pump up the insane crit damage

Might need to pump up weak damage too though

I’ll do the switch after asphodel then

[lone kernel]

If you switched to the heroic Aphrodite special you won’t get the crits necessary unfortunately

if you kept Artemis, then Artemis

[vapid phoenix]

Oh I didn’t lol

That’d be stupid

[lone kernel]

Ok word

[vapid phoenix]

Went with basic heartbreak strike

Kept Aphrodite keepsake for asphodel

[strong ridge]

battle rage beo is a work of art

[lone kernel]

You shoulda switched to Artemis since you get a rarity buff and another Artemis boon would have been more helpful, but also if you get heart rend now it’s moot lol

I’m gonna start up a Chiron run myself here lol

[vapid phoenix]

Good thing I never left the hallway then

I’m actually just lying on the couch

[twin thistle]

at that rate imma finish my chiron run before you

[vapid phoenix]

Now I got chaos and Hermès

Why must I have to choose between two good options

[twin thistle]

well hermes will come up later anyways 🤷‍♂️

but he also might swap out another god you wanted

[brisk trail]

Cursed slash is so stressful to use

[strong ridge]

r u runnin td

[twin thistle]

lol i picked distant memory in the beginning to level it so ive ended up with a hybird cast chiron build with ares cast with an extra bloodstone from chaos and artemis special with aphro atrack

[vapid phoenix]

LOL

I got another backstab bonus

Can that stack?

Idk if it’s additive or not

[mint coral]

crit damage/damage reduction are the only multiplicative things iirc?

maybe there is other things but idk

[twin thistle]

yo got my last achievement done

[vapid phoenix]

I have no idea 😂

[twin thistle]

now i finally dont have to keep picking useless keepsakes

[stable glen]

Does anyone know what could possibly have happened to my save?

I used to have 30 clears with the sword

now I have 28

and 27 with fists

now it's 25

I lost my 40 heat runs with both those weapons

30 -> 29 on spear and 33->32 on sheild

50-> 45 on bow

and 40->38 on rail

like what

[vapid phoenix]

Sweet surrender

[twin thistle]

bruh this is just straight up a hunting blades build now

i have 4 bloodstones along with stygian rn

[stoic violet]

Is there any way to defeat Asterius in the midboss fight?

[twin thistle]

uh

by killing him before he kills you

[stable glen]

what do you mean? like, fully killing him? no

[void vigil]

write in #h1-tech-support? maybe its corrupted?

[signal aspen]

DOT effects or a perfect timed beowulf shot

[stoic violet]

It seems decay keeps damaging him even after he tells you to stop

[stable glen]

this happened after a I opened up my PC from a 1 week vacay and a windows update

[vapid phoenix]

How’s Artemis dash with my build?

I shouldn’t even be asking tbh Artemis is what I need more of lol

[brisk trail]

I don't really like Ares cast as much in that it doesn't lodge

[stable glen]

what build?

send pic

[vapid phoenix]

How do I send pics...

[stable glen]

You have to send it as a discord link

so just send it to like an alt or inactive account or private server and copy the link

[vapid phoenix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/733130212287709215/886014470797819924/image0.jpg

Oh yeah as you can see I got a hammer

[brisk trail]

arte dash is good w bow yea

[twin thistle]

not as much for chiron though

[brisk trail]

oh its chiron

well

[twin thistle]

also uh

[brisk trail]

could be worse

[twin thistle]

i just got vicious cycle with 4 casts on stygian soul and hunting blades

on chiron bow

theres literally no point in using the special anymore

[vapid phoenix]

Lol

[twin thistle]

and i have aphro atk/arty special with hend rend even

[vapid phoenix]

Which hammer do you reckon is best?

Explosive shot I remember being pretty good but I doubt it for my build

[twin thistle]

triple is cool

explosive aint great for chiron for flexibility with marking

[vapid phoenix]

I’m guessing it’s better for zag bow

[twin thistle]

yeah really good with zag

[brisk trail]

Wouldn't the one that gives damage on consecutive hits of the special be good with charon bow

[vapid phoenix]

Yup

But all I got was triple, explosive and chain shot

[frank rose]

Godess of love is the best, and has all the best boons

[vapid phoenix]

Why yes I would bed the goddess of love

[torn geyser]

Hangover and Doom on Rama seems really powerful

[frank rose]

No no no we need the goddess of love ❤️ she has the best boons

[brisk trail]

Aphrodite has some unnerving succubus vibes

[vapid phoenix]

[brisk trail]

Well a succubus just wants to manipulate and drain people

[frank rose]

Aphrodite is the best, I won’t hear a bad word against her 😦

[vapid phoenix]

That’s why Aphrodite is better

[brisk trail]

Dionysus thighs

Anyway bye for now

[vapid phoenix]

Not gay but I must gigachad

[frank rose]

Aphrodite gaves you the best boons and supports you all the way

[brisk trail]

Why are you simping so hard for an Olympian... They're all horrible

[manic bobcat]

They are hot.

Case closed.

[brisk trail]

I ain't messing with nobody that can have me dammed for all eternity

[frank rose]

Yous ain’t getting it, Aphrodite is the way to go

[manic bobcat]

This sounds like a cult though.

[brisk trail]

Those weren't rare in ancient Greece

[frank rose]

She’s got the best boon boon boons

[brisk trail]

Now you sound like a shop

[vapid phoenix]

While I’m also an Aphrodite shill this is borderline cultish

[frank rose]

Aphrodite brings you to the end with her kisses

[manic bobcat]

She literally doesn't

[frank rose]

Ah aphrodite..the boons you gave me and helped me through the stages…I’ll never forget you

[brisk trail]

😔

[vapid phoenix]

You ok dude?

[brisk trail]

He's gone

[vapid phoenix]

He’s gone off the deep end

[manic bobcat]

Strange women lying in poms distributing kisses is no basis for a system of power…

[frank rose]

For without you, I really truely couldn’t make it to the end …

[manic bobcat]

@high island please take your cultist away.

[frank rose]

Aphrodite with her boon boon boons , then someone say eho! Eho!

[brisk trail]

I'm starting to worry what the end means in this context

[vapid phoenix]

He does a bit of trolling

[brisk trail]

A little bit

[frank rose]

Aphrodite boon boon boon, she want you in her room boon boon boon she wants a double boon

[brisk trail]

...

Yeah I'm getting more worried

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/850524998078038058/886020427095343164/unknown.png

Is this good?

[manic bobcat]

depens on weapon

[brisk trail]

fists

[manic bobcat]

no

[frank rose]

Aphrodite

[manic bobcat]

i see no green boon

i know it's bad

[brisk trail]

Artemis

[frank rose]

Aphrodite

[manic bobcat]

no

[vapid phoenix]

This is gone from confusing to funny

[frank rose]

Aphrodite likes to giggle and it makes her pink hair shake

[vapid phoenix]

Back to confusing

[manic bobcat]

kidding aside, i think it could work if you get something like heavy knuckle.
otherwise, zeus on attack is probably better than aphro.
also which fists?

[frank rose]

Aphrodite aphrodite make you laugh make you think

[brisk trail]

You only like her because of the lack clothing

[manic bobcat]

bruh

[vapid phoenix]

Why yes

[brisk trail]

bad argument

[frank rose]

Ah but her hair fills in for that, ooh and her boons

[brisk trail]

Bruh indeed

I actually quite like her weak effect

[vapid phoenix]

Weak is a great status effect

[frank rose]

Aphrodite will save us all

[thorny knoll]

Question about the hammer upgrade .. if I see it and don't take it in act 1, will I ever see that one again?

[brisk trail]

I mean yeah basically with damage reduction effects you become really survivable

[modern garnet]

you can pretty confidently skip hammers until, like, elysium

the game wants you to reach the final boss with 2 hammers

[frank rose]

You grassed me up! Aphrodite !!!

[thorny knoll]

Okay so I'd get 2 hammers in Elysium? Without having to buy one

[vapid phoenix]

Based nonsensical rambling

[manic bobcat]

not guaranteed, but generally likely yeah

[thorny knoll]

What if in act 1 the first hammer I see is for sale? And I skip that one

.. if that's even possible

[modern garnet]

if you keep skippin hammers you'll eventually end up with no hammers, but if you'd rather take somethin else then that's fine

ignoring a hammer will not reduce your chances of seeing another hammer

[vapid phoenix]

Ok but which hammer should I take

Chain, explosive or triple shot

[frank rose]

Aphrodite, the queen of boons

[modern garnet]

which bow?

[brisk trail]

Chain

[vapid phoenix]

Chiron

[brisk trail]

None of those are on your special so ig whatever

[vapid phoenix]

True

[modern garnet]

ah on chiron you really want the special hammers

[vapid phoenix]

Yeah

[frank rose]

Where you saying Aphrodite or boo-urns ?!

[modern garnet]

avoid explosive on chiron because attack isn't your main damage probably

[thorny knoll]

Just got my 2nd clear :) 1st rail 2nd Achilles

[frank rose]

Aphrodite married ??

Aphrodite is wise to us all and has brill boons ! 👍

[vapid phoenix]

Motherless behavior

[manic bobcat]

yes

[signal aspen]

Oh no fizzy is back

[frank rose]

Aww #just one taste and I’m…diet aphrodite#

[vapid phoenix]

Lol what

YOOOO

[signal aspen]

Diet Aphrodite

[vapid phoenix]

I got atrophic defiance

[manic bobcat]

hes speaking the language of the gods

[vapid phoenix]

I wanted the special bonus damage boon but this is great

[frank rose]

Ooh no Muck back ! He kicked my ass the last time !

[signal aspen]

What

[frank rose]

Oh yes, Aphrodite !

You grassed me up aphrodite !

You didn’t need to tell the police about them illegal boons

[manic bobcat]

wtf

[signal aspen]

Oh yeah I forgot

I called the police on fizzy

I think that's what they are talking about

[manic bobcat]

snitches get stitches

[twin thistle]

welp. meme beam with both duos and bad news

[frank rose]

Yeah, me and Aphrodite was going to get high on boon dust

[brisk trail]

I found out why hades dash uppercut is weaker then his normal uppercut

[twin thistle]

unlucky with no demeter or artemis in styx door tho

[brisk trail]

he uses his non-dominant hand

[manic bobcat]

[vapid phoenix]

If I’m at Max death defiance’s, will I just get an extra from atrophic defiance?

[twin thistle]

aint his attacks stabs and sweeps

[signal aspen]

Yes

[twin thistle]

chaos gives a whole extra

not a replenish

[frank rose]

Then Aphrodite was going use the xtra darkness to go shopping with

[high island]

Did she now?

[manic bobcat]

???????????????

[signal aspen]

Indeed

[frank rose]

Oh yes, Aphrodite likes going shopping for new clothes and Costa coffee

[signal aspen]

She doesn't wear clothes

[frank rose]

With all her darkness

[high island]

I'll have to ask her about that.

It's true that she likes coffee.

[vapid phoenix]

And thank God for that

[frank rose]

Ooh yes, Aphrodite loves her double expressos with xtra boons

[high island]

She hasn't told me anything about double espressos.

[frank rose]

Ooh yes, Aphrodite loves double espressos with milk and boons

[brisk trail]

I thought that was DIO

[high island]

[frank rose]

But Aphrodite not allowed in most shops due to her “no clothes”

[hollow wave]

Anyone got tips for fighting Hades? My main problem right now is losing all my health before his second phase

[signal aspen]

Don't get hit

[torn geyser]

I just melted Hades 3 in 10 seconds with Zeus/Poseidon/Dionysus Lucifer

Whole fight took 1.5 minutes, probably would have been just 1 if not for his invicinbility

[frank rose]

Aphrodite

[hollow wave]

Dionysus lucifer?

[torn geyser]

Zeus Attack, Poseidon Special, Dionysus Cast

Plus Sea Storm and Scintillating Feast

[frank rose]

Aphrodite

[torn geyser]

Athena Dodge will help you a lot with extra i-frames, Hermes can give you more dashes to completely bypass his spinning attack, and the shield makes you completely invincble from the front when using it.

[hollow wave]

Oh yeah speaking of

Hades has taught me one thing

NEVER underestimate people who have shields as their primary weapons

[torn geyser]

So you are still working on your first clear?

[hollow wave]

Yes

[torn geyser]

What weapons do you have? If its possible for you to get Achilles Spear, it's a very powerful weapon.

[twin thistle]

meme beme

[hollow wave]

Every single run I pray to Hecate to not get the Witches coven cause they absolutely destroy at least 1 Death Defiance

[frank rose]

Aphrodite

[hollow wave]

Can you please stop?

[torn geyser]

Athena Deflection solves that fight. Deflecting with a spear works really good since its a straight line ahead of you. And Athena Dash is basically the best dash overall, especially for new players and at higher heats

[hollow wave]

Question

What are heats?

[twin thistle]

thing you unlock after first clear

[full nexus]

it's better if you don't know

[torn geyser]

Heat is the difficulty modifer you unlock after your first completion

[full nexus]

it's pain

[hollow wave]

Ah thanks

[torn geyser]

I would recommend trying a run with the Spear, Athena, Aphrodite, and Ares as your gods. Get Athena Dash, Aphrodite Attack, and Ares special. Enhance Doom as much as possible, and take the Explosive Launcher Hammer if you can

[signal aspen]

No it's fun

[twin thistle]

even if you dont have deflect, witch projectiles are gotten rid of easy enough with big area stuff like bow special and spear dash attack

[full nexus]

yesn't

[manic bobcat]

it hurts so good.

[hollow wave]

I was thinking of using the fists or shield next

[torn geyser]

Aphrodite and Athena will give you lots of defense, and Ares deals good damage. You can add Dionysus for more utility or Artemis for more damage.

[hollow wave]

But Spear could be fun especially to mess with Hades

[vapid phoenix]

I wanna buy the hammer at the shop but uhhh

What if I get rid of my relentless volley

[torn geyser]

Fists is good too. It hits a lot, so consider using Zeus or Dionysus Attack to get lots of lighting and posion hits. Shield isn't my favorite personally.

[manic bobcat]

nothing ventured nothing gained

[torn geyser]

It's a 50/50 chance.

[twin thistle]

if you havent spent all your titan blood yet you can stick it in zag bow. zag bow is cool

[vapid phoenix]

I know

[torn geyser]

Yesterday I got Cursed Sword on Arthur at the end, which I thought was my doom. I actually stomped lol

[vapid phoenix]

I have zero titan blood

[twin thistle]

cursed slash on arthur is big brain

[torn geyser]

Not when it happens against your will lol

[vapid phoenix]

Guys pray for me

[signal aspen]

No

[vapid phoenix]

I LOST RELENTESS VOLLEY

[signal aspen]

[torn geyser]

But what did you gain?

The Bow has like the best hammers imo

[frank rose]

Aphrodite

[vapid phoenix]

I gain concentrated volley and sniper shot

But I have a level one Chiron now

[signal aspen]

SNIPER SHOT POGGERS

[vapid phoenix]

What is sniper shot?

[frank rose]

Aphrodite

[torn geyser]

Sniper Shot does more damage at greater range. 200% at max

[vapid phoenix]

I’m running a special attack build

[raw herald]

Concentrated volley is more DPS than relentless volley anyway, you got a good deal

[torn geyser]

I blocked that Aphrodite guy

[signal aspen]

But lvl 1 chiron

[vapid phoenix]

Would like me relentless volley AND concentrated though

[raw herald]

Actually maybe not, just saw that

[vapid phoenix]

As I only have 4 arrows otherwise

[twin thistle]

uh btw you can kinda save scum the anvil

[vapid phoenix]

It lets me quit out even after using the anvil

[twin thistle]

like that

[vapid phoenix]

but I get the same stuff

[hollow wave]

Arthur?

[signal aspen]

No just don't take the anvil

[twin thistle]

yeah but you can grab it then if it sucks just quit out

[torn geyser]

Hidden 4th Aspect of the Sword.

[hollow wave]

Oh

How do ya even unlock those? Just kill?

[twin thistle]

#h1-story-discussion in pins

[hollow wave]

Fizzy stop

[torn geyser]

No, they are usually side story unlocks basically

[vapid phoenix]

What

I didn’t get the same stuff this time

[twin thistle]

its uh kinda weird

[vapid phoenix]

I got twin shot instead of sniper this time

[hollow wave]

Is the way to unlock massive spoilers or minor ones?

[twin thistle]

it often gives the same stuff but can give different

not really spoilers

[twin thistle]

also

[torn geyser]

Not really spoilers.

[hollow wave]

I know

Was just checking before I checked pins

[torn geyser]

But you can't unlock them until after your 1st clear at least I believe

[vapid phoenix]

YOOOO

Got concentrated AND point blank shot

Lost chain shot

[twin thistle]

pog

[vapid phoenix]

Time to face the final boss

Died

That’s enough hades for today

Time for dmc

Family favorite or privilege status?

[stable glen]

Depends on your planned build

and how confident you are that you can get two status curses

[vapid phoenix]

Fair enough

Will go family favorite for now though

[stable glen]

Got a question for y'all

does knocking back enemies count as them "moving" to trigger razor shoals

I remember I tried super soaker lucifer but didn't have razor shoals and it was kinda meh

[signal aspen]

Yes

[stable glen]

So in theory...

it could be really damn good

if I get the attack damage bonus, than sea storm damage, than razor shoals damage, and then damage from knocking em into walls

how good would second wave be in that? i'm not too sure how it works

[signal aspen]

Second wave only good if you get sea storm

And I don't know if second wave deals any damage without sea storm

[stable glen]

it doesn't

but how does it work when you constantly apply knockaway with sea storm

does it always proc double sea storm for each hit of the attack?

[vapid phoenix]

Good boons for nemesis sword?

I’m guessing Artemis although I happened to get aphro

[signal aspen]

It has a cooldown

[vapid phoenix]

Then again Aphrodite is always good

[stable glen]

Got it

[signal aspen]

Artemis attack, aphro special, heartrend

Also get Artemis dash and chaos d strike and attack boons

[stable glen]

i remember when I did a tidal dash, sea storm, 2nd wave and splitting bolt build

[vapid phoenix]

I got the Artemis special

Unfortunately, no attack available

[stable glen]

tidal dash procced sea storm and splitting bolt

[signal aspen]

Dash?

[stable glen]

then after a short delay, there was another knockback and other sea storm and bolt

[vapid phoenix]

Nope

Wait

[signal aspen]

Or reroll it if you have those

[vapid phoenix]

Can’t I just restart the run

[signal aspen]

No

First boon is always the same