guys use AP its the easiest most fun non rng based thing ever
#h1-discussion
stoic flame
signal aspen
no RI is
vapid narwhal
although, true, UC is more of a high heat thing
wise oasis
It isnt, for low heat the problem is bosses most often and not standard encounters
signal aspen
RI4 is pretty easy
vapid narwhal
dont worry about it below 20
reef zodiac
I’m so serious when I say CP is one of the hardest pacts in the game. You can try it but I’d highly suggest against it
stoic flame
🗿
reef zodiac
Calisthenics program is really bad
signal aspen
yeah CP is bad
vapid narwhal
you dont want to do CP unless you really have to
and you dont have to till like 40
reef zodiac
Jury Summons is bad but not quite as bad. I’d still really suggest against it
reef zodiac
and you dont have to till like 40
Tbh more like 50
brisk trail
I'll just give up the run and switch it up then
vapid narwhal
JS1 is fine, not optimal, but fine
reef zodiac
Also Jury Summons is super annoying
modern garnet
You can absolutely win with that pact
brisk trail
Already Gave Up
vapid narwhal
that too
brisk trail
What should I use then?
reef zodiac
I’d recommend just getting used to TD3, EM2, and MM, BP1-2, (maybe even FO1). Just get a little better with those since they are the easy ones at low heat
modern garnet
FO is way harder than you think
modern garnet
It is! You're used to it so its easy to you!
brisk trail
Forced Overtime?
stoic flame
yes
reef zodiac
as nothing
NO. No it is not the same. You are wrong.
vapid narwhal
FO1 without anything else is totally manageable
stoic flame
AAAAAAA
brisk trail
Does this include bosses?
vapid narwhal
we are not combining it with EM3 or JS2
candid obsidian
It’s different for sure
brisk trail
I need 3 heat btw
reef zodiac
I’d recommend just getting used to TD3, EM2, and MM, BP1-2, (maybe even FO1). Ju...
@brisk trail these are my suggestions 
modern garnet
You can't tell me forced overtime is easier than like, CF1 EM1 TD1
brisk trail
I’d recommend just getting used to TD3, EM2, and MM, BP1-2, (maybe even FO1). Ju...
TD3 isn't gonna work for me. Most of my runs end up at 30m
stoic flame
how is fo1 harder than em1
modern garnet
Because em1 is free heat outside of tart!
stoic flame
fair
vapid narwhal
EM1 is basically free
wise oasis
TD3 isn't gonna work for me. Most of my runs end up at 30m
you can do td1, em1, and any 1 heat thing
reef zodiac
TD3 isn't gonna work for me. Most of my runs end up at 30m
Do TD1 and work your way into it. As you learn to play faster you’ll find sub 20 minutes is pretty easy to get (literally free imo), just slowly increase your TD. Good luck!
reef zodiac
I’m gonna go, I hope you take my advice, good luck
vapid narwhal
and are basically free heat
modern garnet
We all have very strong and different opinions on this, just avoid AP and HS you'll live
wise oasis
also RI
vapid narwhal
disables your mirror
stoic flame
ah
vapid narwhal
3 levels per tick, from the bottom
signal aspen
its pretty easy
modern garnet
RI1 won't destroy you... but it would make your builds a lot weaker
brisk trail
TD1 is free heat
brisk trail
So TD1, Em1 and what?
signal aspen
HS
modern garnet
CF? You're probably not managing money efficiently anyway
brisk trail
Yeah, unless the timer stresses you out
The timer doesn't even fit on my screen because my TV is like 30cm
vapid narwhal
TD1 and EM1 is 4 heat
modern garnet
Lmao thats op
stoic flame
TD1 and EM1 is 4 heat
what
signal aspen
TD1 and EM1 is 4 heat
what
brisk trail
No it's 2
brisk trail
Em1 is 1
vapid narwhal
OH sorry I misread that
stoic flame
me when
brisk trail
1+1=4
vapid narwhal
just do TD1 and EM2, run that twice as 3 and 4, done
brisk trail
Damage control? With Malphon it's really nonexistent.
modern garnet
Yeah dc is fine
stoic flame
dc with fast stuff is okay
modern garnet
Uh, at higher heats you do feel it a bit
vapid narwhal
we are not talking about high heat are we
modern garnet
But here it's fine
brisk trail
And I equipped the wrong keepsake. 😑
stoic flame
3 heat 🥴
brisk trail
we are not talking about high heat are we
3 heat.
stoic flame
why not just use the first 3 things
brisk trail
New player
modern garnet
Not the WORST 3 heat pact
signal aspen
use the three things at the bottom
stoic flame
HL JS CF
vapid narwhal
JS is fine
stoic flame
my first 3 heat was just JS3 lmao
vapid narwhal
EM1 and 2 are easy
brisk trail
How is my auto correct that stupid
modern garnet
Em1 just makes the boss fun
modern garnet
You'll handle it, and if you lose DDs to it your first time you'll probably buy them back by the end
stoic flame
just throw it and dash around
modern garnet
It's a weapon that feels really clumsy to use until you realise you're kicking butt
vapid narwhal
throw it and do your own thing, ideally when you need to get it back be close to the shield
brisk trail
Epic Curse of Agony to start off my run. Nice.
stoic flame
the what
epic curse of agony
wait what us curse f agony 🥴
is it not the duo boon
oh wait thats curse of nausea
signal aspen
bruh
stoic flame
i think
brisk trail
It's the attack for Ares
stoic flame
lone kernel
Do a 20 heat run next. You’ll probably lose, but youll also probably get way further than you think you will
Psy op yourself, get better at hades
lone kernel
If you’re ever hanging out with someone else who plays hades, see who can get further on 64 heat
It’s actually a great time
modern garnet
It's not psyoping yourself to play on high difficulties
brisk trail
My friends gonna buy the game
modern garnet
That's not a psyop that's a challenge
lone kernel
Meg on the third chamber ftw
stoic flame
sanic
wise oasis
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659820450297282585/878346967892254730/Scr...
whyd you die that seems like a bad play
signal aspen
oh true
stoic flame
you wouldve died anyways by that timer
stoic flame
🗿
brisk trail
Hmmm do I go for Curse of Agony, Curse of Agony or Curse of Agony for my Pom?
Decisions, decisions.
signal aspen
agony of curse
whole ridge
Farthest I've gotten on 63 heat (because no Hell Mode) is chamber 8 I think
Always get boned by the enemy count
They're all over the damned place xD. And the double perks aren't friendly
brisk trail
It's funny that I only have an Ares and Athena boon and already have the duo
stoic flame
bruh
brisk trail
Into boss chamber with 4:33 to spare
stoic flame
what weapon
brisk trail
Malphon
stoic flame
ur broken
whole ridge
On average with 63 heat I make it to chamber 3
whole ridge
Oooo~ doing your first Extreme Measures run?
whole ridge
Prolly
brisk trail
Oh cool it's not actually 3 bosses
whole ridge
The other two are used more like fighting game assists
Defo more challenging, but not that bad
stoic flame
i dont like when tis farts all over the screen
mint coral
EM is fun
whole ridge
XD
stoic flame
annoying as heck
signal aspen
whole ridge
EM 2 probably isn't too bad either so long as you have spacial awareness
signal aspen
thats a lot of cast damage
brisk trail
Finished the fight already
stoic flame
thats a lot of cast damage
yes
stoic flame
Finished the fight already
nice
stoic flame
holy heck i just watched a beo speedrun thing and flood flare is insane
ive never tried this
on beo
stoic flame
no
signal aspen
bruh
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659820450297282585/881246016349806622/Screenshot_430.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659820450297282585/881246032128770078/Screenshot_431.png
stoic flame
lmaooo
signal aspen
indeed
wise oasis
chad beowulf player
signal aspen
uh oh i got more cast damage from a well
tulip ridge
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659820450297282585/881246016349806622/Scr...
how
stoic flame
breaking the game as we speak
wise oasis
uh oh i got more cast damage from a well
hacks
brisk trail
My main question is how are you Elysium in 6 minutes???
wise oasis
instantly phases them
tulip ridge
Ah
signal aspen
My main question is how are you Elysium in 6 minutes???
go fast
brisk trail
What am I missing
signal aspen
beowulf
stoic flame
ass weapon ez
wise oasis
6 min ely exit is nice
brisk trail
I just upgraded my Epic Curse of Agony to Heroic lmao
wise oasis
rip potential sub 8
stoic flame
yes
wise oasis
yes
signal aspen
ok
wise oasis
just hit him really hard
wise oasis
I dont think 13 seconds is possible even if you immedately kill each section
signal aspen
its not
stoic flame
the transformation thing screws you over
brisk trail
Took me literally 3 seconds to bring the Hydra into first invulnerability stage wth
stoic flame
wait didnt you beat it already
stoic flame
nice
whole ridge
EM 3 is the first big change
lone kernel
EM1 becomes scarier than EM2 once it gets to higher heats (or im just bad)
signal aspen
you just bad
brisk trail
I one hit most enemies even with the one hit invulnerability, because Athena Dash deals damage so I've made that heat thing useless
lone kernel
gotta get my life together
stoic flame
lernard 🗿
brisk trail
Lost more to Meg than to lernard lately
Lernie is easier than Meg tho
wise oasis
high heat lernie is hard
brisk trail
Ooh Asterius solo miniboss let's kill him
Already half dead this build is so stupidly strong
And now he's leaving lmao
signal aspen
nice
brisk trail
My best time. 13m into Elysium boss fight
signal aspen
damn thats hella fast
brisk trail
Went in at 13:10 for reference. Asterius half dead at 13:12
signal aspen
nice
brisk trail
Asterius dead. 13:26
13:37. Theseus half health
13:47. Battle done.
15:17 two room Sack easily my fastest run then
Ayo
high island
@signal aspen trying to get sub 8 on Beowulf?
brisk trail
I just got the Athena Poseidon duo
signal aspen
i already have sub 8 on beo
brisk trail
Right before Hades
signal aspen
im just speedrunning for fun
high island
Ah gotcha. Resetting or just playing out every run?
brisk trail
Reduced boss damage lmaooo
signal aspen
Ah gotcha. Resetting or just playing out every run?
resetting some of my runs
if slow tartarus or barge
i will keep going even if bad elysium
high island
Unshakable Mettle is great.
brisk trail
I just bought out the Styx shop (aside from the diamond)
I feel like Jesus
How is hades going to live
Poor soul
high island
I don't remember Jesus fighting his way out of hell.
brisk trail
Silence
high island
But he did have a Death Defiance.
high island
And he walked on water. Zagreus walks on magma. Checks out, almost.
brisk trail
I beat my last run by 5m
high island
Nice.
brisk trail
My time is probably so low from beating the Heroes in 37 seconds
Level 4 Curse of Agony too lmao
Heroic*
high island
Might be fun to do your runs with TD3 from here on.
brisk trail
Not TD3. Maybe 2 though
high island
Well, TD3 is 20 minutes.
high island
Yeah, but taking TD3 can push you towards being more consistent at it.
Just an idea, anyway.
brisk trail
Story Spoilers
||Did I seriously just do all that for Persephone to tell me not to visit? I'm gonna stab someone.||
high island
TD2 shouldn't be much of a problem.
brisk trail
Probably Persephone
ripe otter
They deadass gave hades a phase two huh
lone kernel
Story Spoilers
||Did I seriously just do all that for Persephone to tell me not ...
Stab bad guys on your next run anyway
brisk trail
Is there any benefit to opening my Admin room up?
brisk trail
Why would you ever go for God's Pride over God's Legacy?
high island
Because Epic boon gud.
brisk trail
But Legendary is better, no?
high island
Not necessarily.
signal aspen
I prefer common boons
brisk trail
Also Fated authority or Fated Persuasion
high island
Persuasion.
brisk trail
I'm gonna take Legacy for the Athena Ares Duo
high island
Merciful End builds actually favor Pride.
modern garnet
"Fated authority or fated persuasion?": 1736 page forum thread, locked for toxicity
brisk trail
Merciful End builds actually favor Pride.
What
But wouldn't you wanna increase your chance for the boon?
signal aspen
Epic doom good
modern garnet
It's a 1 duo build, and pride also boosts duo odds a bit
high island
No, it doesn't boost Duo odds at all.
brisk trail
What should my Mirror look like for Merciful End build?
wise oasis
should be reflective probably
you only really should have pride and persuasion
personal preference after that
modern garnet
Probably want backstab instead of the other one
misty pollen
can you only select one weapon aspect at a time to use or are they all active?
high island
One at a time.
misty pollen
i see, tyvm
brisk trail
What's the max heat I can get? I only have access to 59.
lone kernel
Check the contractor after you win a few rounds with heat
brisk trail
Time to darkness farm yay
lone kernel
Yeehaw
high island
63 in normal mode, 64 in hell mode.
lone kernel
You need to buy one pact from contractor
brisk trail
Should I attempt a 59 heat run or do I value my sanity?
lone kernel
I think it’s like 100 gems, nothing crazy price wise (heat wise it is)
high island
I mean it will be a pretty short attempt.
lone kernel
yeet
high island
Might as well if you want to.
brisk trail
Let's have some fun with a 59 heat run
How much health what the hell
Not even gonna make it past room 2
That's ridiculous
1:01.
Wow
brisk trail
I'm just gonna go back to 0 and rack up some darkness for my mirror.
north cairn
Just started playing today. Beat the first boss. It’s fun and addictive
brisk trail
Ooh. There's gonna be alot of spoilers here, but I'm glad you're enjoying yourself!
north cairn
Thanks for the heads up
brisk trail
No problem. If you want to avoid spoilers, I'd recommend going to #h1-for-new-players
north cairn
Will do!
brisk trail
Now I have unlocked the last mirror upgrade, I've no need for keys right?
forest falcon
Is max range of exagryph enough to activate the Orpheus keepsake
spice flame
Bois if i get Daedalus Hammer in Tartarus, next is be in Elysium, right?
ocean oyster
I just got to Elysium but I only have 3 boons
lone kernel
Now I have unlocked the last mirror upgrade, I've no need for keys right?
Nope, welcome to the turn gems to keys to nectar to diamonds to ambrosia to blood train
brisk trail
Now I just need a massive amount of darkness. Whoo.
gentle mason
Now I have unlocked the last mirror upgrade, I've no need for keys right?
But there is a renovation called "Fated Keys" that gives you an additional reroll, everytime you take a key during a run, which is pretty nice.
brisk trail
Think I bought that
carmine talon
just finished my 6th clear and it was my fastest by a significant margin using nemesword
23 minutes using artemis dash strike
and athena special, was trying to get merciful end but no luck haha
spice flame
bois i wonder if Anvil of Fates passes related quest?
I mean, if I get an upgrade that I have not chosen before, and I have a task, will it pass me?
gentle mason
I mean, if I get an upgrade that I have not chosen before, and I have a task, wi...
Yes, if that happens it counts toward the prophecies
brisk trail
Hades dead. 18:14
I'm getting faster and faster
Only 44 seconds of my pb
I feel bad for Hades now tho
bright mirage
guys i know im noob but im proud of myself. I just killed hades in 58 min, for first time
brisk trail
That's good. Don't worry about times (not saying yours is bad BTW, it's not. Just saying don't worry about them.). If you want to you could always go to #h1-victory-boasting and share there, too! Now you've got to do it again, and again, and again.
royal hamlet
I didn’t think I’d like anything more than beowulf but I tried hera yesterday and myyy that felt smooth
Strategically 1 cast loading my shots or 2 casting depending on what I was killing… weirdly a 4 cast load did about 1600 / and singles was doing about 1000 very strange I thought it’d be 4x the damage
gentle mason
Have you tried Beowulf Mirage Shot, yet?
chrome wharf
I feel bad for Hades now tho
If you feel bad for dad, turn the heat up
brisk trail
No, story wise, not fighting wise. I'm trying to get darkness so I'm going to repeatedly destroy him
brisk trail
My 59 is room 3
chrome wharf
did manage to no-hit the bomb minibosses 
brisk trail
The bomb Minibosses used to be hard
But poor Hades having to constantly stop little Zag here who hits like a semitruck with a rocket booster.
zenith sand
Achilles sometimes doesnt even show up and he isnt giving me the guan yu instructions
brisk trail
Damn the Olympians are stupid
I love how Hades is surprised I've beaten Tisiphone when I've beaten him 8 times lmao
zenith sand
Someone help 😭
gentle mason
Achilles sometimes doesnt even show up and he isnt giving me the guan yu instruc...
Have you read the pinned topic about getting the hidden aspects in the #h1-story-discussion section?
zenith sand
Have you read the pinned topic about getting the hidden aspects in the <#5210351...
Ive done all of that
gentle mason
Ive done all of that
Then it is just dialogue RNG, do more runs and eventually the dialogue will happen.
spice flame
Try do 2-3run
brisk trail
I hate RNG for Duo boon
spice flame
you have max Mirror of Night.?
forest falcon
I assume Aphrodite with aspect of Arthur would be really good
high island
I assume Aphrodite with aspect of Arthur would be really good
Yeah.
brisk trail
But I shouldn't be using the mirror upgrade for that with Merciful End I've been told. So I'm just praying Athena is kind to me
zenith sand
Try do 2-3run
Ive done 6..
spice flame
oh..
high island
start for Heartbreak Strike, or take Passion Dash if she doesn't offer it. Then look for Zeus' Aid, and then get Smoldering Air.
zenith sand
And not even just 6.. 6 runs counting from where i met the requirement for guan yu....
forest falcon
I've had requirements for the hidden aspect of exagryph for i think 15 runs now and i still don't have it
zenith sand
Bro.....
high island
But I shouldn't be using the mirror upgrade for that with Merciful End I've been...
If you just want to get Merciful End for the prophecy, you can run Gods' Legacy. The reason Gods' Pride is better for Merciful End builds, generally, is that you want high rarity on your Attack, high rarity Greatest Reflex or Rush Delivery from Master Chaos, etc.
gentle mason
But I shouldn't be using the mirror upgrade for that with Merciful End I've been...
I would recommend using that mirror upgrade while you don't have multiple re-rolls from Fated Persuasion. (I think the advice you were given assumes a max mirror and thus those re-rolls)
brisk trail
What's the chance to get a Duo with no boosts?
spice flame
Ive done 6..
Are you sure you have UNLOCKED at least 5 other aspects?
brisk trail
If you just want to get Merciful End for the prophecy, you can run Gods' Legacy....
I'm getting it because it's my preferred build.
It does so much damage
It's stupid
zenith sand
Are you sure you have UNLOCKED at least 5 other aspects?
On god
brisk trail
100%
high island
What's the chance to get a Duo with no boosts?
Depends on whether you have all 4 priority slots filled or not, if there's a tier 2 status curse still in the god's pool, and how many Duo Boons and Legendary Boons you're currently eligible for from that god.
brisk trail
Depends on whether you have all 4 priority slots filled or not, if there's a tie...
I'm eligible for the Duo I've just checked. And what do you mean by priority slots? Dash, attack, cast and special?
high island
Yes, those four.
brisk trail
I've been told not to fill them because they'll allow me to get more Duos I don't want.
The only one not filled is cast
(because I got special and dash Athena)
high island
(1) If all priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash) are empty, fill all three slots with priority boons,
(2) if an exchange is possible, 10% chance to add an exchange to one free slot,
(3) if 2 fails and there are free priority slots, add one priority boon to one slot,
(4) 50% chance to add a tier 2 status curse (i.e., Jolted, Marked, Rupture, or Exposed) to one slot if boon requirements are met,
(5) roll for legendary/duo for each remaining slot,
(6) roll for epic for each remaining slot,
(7) roll for rare for each remaining slot,
(8) fill all remaining slots with common,
(9) fill all remaining slots with whatever is available.
That's how the game rolls for what boons you're offered whenever you pick up a boon.
brisk trail
An exchange is possible, cast will appear and a t2 Curse from exposed so I can't get a duo
So I need to get a cast then?
high island
In step 5, the base chance for legendary/duo is 12% for normal boons and 10% for miniboss boons. For each slot that's still open. It just rolls once for the legendary/duo chance for a slot, and if successful, fills that slot with a random legendary/duo that you're eligible for.
gentle mason
An exchange is possible, cast will appear and a t2 Curse from exposed so I can't...
Exchanges are rare: note the 10% chance.
high island
Exchanges only have a 10% chance, and if you're offered an exchange, you won't see the priority boon from step 3.
brisk trail
Damn you're smart. How on earth do you know this.
spice flame
> (1) If all priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash) are empty, f...
This tips like this.. where i can take more? This be in discord or HadesWiki?
high island
The only places you'd find that is here and the speedrun discord because those are the only places where I shared that.
spice flame
Oh 😮 Speedrunners have a power, i see
brisk trail
Right so the only legendary/duo I can get is the Athena Ares one so if I get a cast I'm guaranteed this, correct?
high island
They share a lot of stuff in their #speedtech channel. A link to the server is pinned in #self-promotion.
You're never guaranteed a Duo Boon.
Unless there are no other boons that can be offered. But that's super rare.
When you have all 4 priority slots filled, you'll have one more slot available that can roll duo/legendary when you pick up a boon. But if you have only 3/4 filled, there's no difference.
So it just helps your odds a lot.
brisk trail
> (1) If all priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash) are empty, f...
All priority slots are filled.
10% for Exchange
No priority boons
50% chance for a Status Curse
Roll for the Duo because its the only duo/legend I can get.
Is this correct or am I not understanding?
high island
Exchange, priority boons, and the t2 status curse just determine how many slots are still available that have a chance at rolling a Duo boon. But the roll only has a 12% chance for each slot if you have no rarity bonus like a keepsake etc.
brisk trail
I have the bonus with Athena keepsake
high island
If you have all priority slots filled, a t2 status curse is still in the pool, an exchange is possible, and the only Duo Boon that's unlocked is Merciful End... and you have the keepsake, 44% chance to see Merciful End if it's a normal room reward and 41% if it's a miniboss room reward.
high island
59% if you also have Refreshing Nectar or a Yarn of Ariadne.
brisk trail
If you have all priority slots filled, a t2 status curse is still in the pool, a...
Is it 44 per slot or in in total?
high island
44% for that boon that you pick up, so in total.
brisk trail
Ah okay, cool
high island
51% if it's a boon from Lord Ares, because he doesn't have a t2 status curse.
And also 51% from Lady Athena once you pick up Blinding Flash.
brisk trail
So I should be using Ares to find the Duo then
brisk trail
Yeah.
high island
I have all the numbers for a specific duo/legendary chance here if you want to try to make sense of it. m way too tired to explain the spreadsheet. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r6q7N9msBAD9SSpy_tWyUrwHcoHizEp-ZgZKRR_OzDk/edit?usp=sharing
brisk trail
I got the Poseidon one instead. I didn't think I was eligible though. Damnit
Still good but not what I needed.
brisk trail
I got the Poseidon one instead. I didn't think I was eligible though. Damnit
And then got Merciful End from the shop
brisk trail
No stun and reduced boss damage
high island
Yeah, it's really good.
brisk trail
Is something I will very happily take especially since I'm fighting dad
high island
Speedrunners don't care for it, of course, because it doesn't do damage. But it's an amazing boon.
high island
Yeah, and you don't get staggered or interrupted by attacks.
chrome wharf
If you have all priority slots filled, a t2 status curse is still in the pool, a...
by "exchange is possible" does it just mean you have another god in a core slot
chrome wharf
ah right
marsh canopy
i was today years old and 600+ hours into three save files on hades before i noticed that the voidstones have faces
i refuse to believe they have always been this way
brisk trail
How many times do I have to beat Hades before the True Ending?
wise oasis
10
twin thistle
well more like 9
wise oasis
let em experience it for themselves
ocean oyster
Does Aphrodite’s Aid work on bosses too?
modern garnet
Yeah but bosses don't get charmed for as long
ocean oyster
How long for bosses?
modern garnet
Bosses have charm resistance and knockback resistance and other stuff
I dunno, mostly long enough to cancel whatever attack they're doing and make them stand around for a second
brisk trail
I realised why I wasn't getting the Duo
Divine Dash doesn't work for the duo
It's divine strike I need
Or divine flourish
modern garnet
Divine dash doesn't work for the duo because otherwise it would be too overpowered
brisk trail
It can be used but its not the presiquite for it
modern garnet
Yeah
brisk trail
Now I feel stupid
modern garnet
Dw about it
brisk trail
Into Styx to beat dad for the tenth time
scarlet mason
those demeter lasers are sooooo good
scarlet mason
i just got that duo + 2 chaos boons and my casks did so much damage
brisk trail
I love Merciful End
high island
How long for bosses?
1/3rd the normal duration.
brisk trail
2 room Satyr sack as well this run is godlik3
To dad for win 10
Wait what
UH NO
I'M SUPER STRONG
I WANNA FIGHT
scarlet mason
ok?
mint coral
10 win moment 
brisk trail
Love having a god tier run and not having to fight
wise oasis
gets em all
gentle mason
I WANNA FIGHT
What happened to feeling sorry for Dad?
scarlet mason
the shattered shackle is the best keepsake right?
mint coral
the shattered shackle is the best keepsake right?
For boonless runs ig, or when you dont wanna deal with AP2
brisk trail
Trying to decide if I'm mad I don't get to fight him or happy for the ending
mint coral
Why not the 2
brisk trail
This won't count as a win will it
scarlet mason
For boonless runs ig, or when you dont wanna deal with AP2
isn't it always great early
then you switch to diffrent keepsakes once you get new abilities
brisk trail
Okay this game is amazing
brisk trail
This won't count as a win will it
Because if not I'm gonna lose my fastest run
gentle mason
isn't it always great early
Using god keepsakes to help with your build is better in most cases.
scarlet mason
most of the time i'm only fishing for 2 god's boons
brisk trail
Then use your keepsake to force one
whole ridge
Now no longer have use for Nectar in bonds.
gentle mason
most of the time i'm only fishing for 2 god's boons
But the quicker you get them the better.
brisk trail
Then you just switch it at Asphodel for to force the second
whole ridge
Just gotta do favors for Hypnos, Sisyphus, and a few Olympians
By the by, for Sisyphus do I just have to keep talking with him? Or do I have to like, talk with Than or Meg with certain dialogue to get it to proc?
gentle mason
By the by, for Sisyphus do I just have to keep talking with him? Or do I have t...
Nyx and the admin room are the likely bottlenecks
whole ridge
Have Nyx dialogue almost entirely cleared and obviously have the admin chamber
gentle mason
I think you might need to talk to Meg as well for Sisyphus
whole ridge
I'm sitting on Than for Hypnos and just whatever dialogue necessary for Sisyphus
brisk trail
I had a 12:32 time and it won't count 2ill it.
gentle mason
Yes, you do need to talk to Meg as well. (just checked)
whole ridge
Gotcha, so it's waiting on Meg dialogue to wait on Sisyphus dialogue
gentle mason
I had a 12:32 time and it won't count 2ill it.
No, but you have opened up some new stuff with the true ending and you can go out and try again.
high island
Nah, the win counts, but the time you spend on the surface and stuff is added on to your IGT.
The run will be in your permanent record.
gentle mason
Dammit. That was my fastest time by 5m
I was wrong. It will count.
ocean oyster
How do people do meta builds in this game when when all the gods/goddesses gates appear at random, and then when you get your desired god/goddess, the boons they offer are also random?
brisk trail
Ah. Im not gonna count it as my fastest run regardless, as there was no final fight.
So, what is there to do now?
high island
You use god keepsakes to get the gods you want and you'll unlock rerolls later to get the boons you want.
mint coral
There is an epilogue and can work for the stories of other npcs
gentle mason
How do people do meta builds in this game when when all the gods/goddesses gates...
God Keepsakes, Mirror Upgrades, and other effects give you a certain amount of control.
high island
Beyond that, it's just knowing what boons unlock what later on and stuff. Tons of experience.
brisk trail
Can I finally finish up with Than and Meg?
ocean oyster
Can’t you only equip one god keepsake at a time?
gentle mason
Can’t you only equip one god keepsake at a time?
But you can switch between biomes.
high island
So, what is there to do now?
Epilogue, and all the stuff you can still unlock.
ocean oyster
But you can switch between biomes.
Oh I see
brisk trail
Already got Persephone Keepsake cool
gentle mason
Can I finally finish up with Than and Meg?
Yes, but I believe that neither Than nor Meg were restricted to post-credits, you just have to give them stuff & talk to them.
gentle mason
Also, keep an eye on the Work Orders for new functional upgrades.
gentle mason
How do I get Orpheus to sing
Max Relationship with Orpheus & Eurydice and it will happen along the way.
brisk trail
I've only got 4 keepsakes left to collect. Whos could they be?
jade zenith
which row are they in?
brisk trail
One might be Orpheus'
modern garnet
well every person you can give nectar to has a keepsake, so
gentle mason
Already got Persephone Keepsake cool
FYI, there are actually 25 keepsakes so, you might be missing 5.
heady cypress
I killed the minotaur in room 30 or sumn is he gone from the bossfight now? He said the knight is waiting for you instead of we are waiting for you
brisk trail
Three at the end in row 1 one in between Persephone and Euridice
modern garnet
he comes back... no one ever really dies
jade zenith
the minotaur has less hp in the boss fight but you still fight him
brisk trail
He loses 20% of his health I think it is
heady cypress
he comes back... no one ever really dies
Ik but will the knight fight alone next time?
heady cypress
He loses 20% of his health I think it is
Good to know
heady cypress
the minotaur has less hp in the boss fight but you still fight him
My dps is pretty high atm cuz I got lucky with my boons
Ig that won't be a problem
gentle mason
Three at the end in row 1 one in between Persephone and Euridice
Patroclus is the one on the third row.
brisk trail
He still comes up as ???? for me. Any reason why?
He always just tells me to go away
Could be Orpheus, Dusa, Patroclus and who else?
gentle mason
He still comes up as ???? for me. Any reason why?
Check the Codex under person of notes
brisk trail
Wait
mint coral
Could be Orpheus, Dusa, Patroclus and who else?
Dad maybe?
gentle mason
Could be Orpheus, Dusa, Patroclus and who else?
Those 3 plus Skelly, I think based on your description
mint coral
Is a fun keepsake so try it
brisk trail
My god the Olympians are dumb ah
gentle mason
But then gave up and forgot to give him Nectar again
He doesn't give it until after the true ending hence hidden 25th.
brisk trail
Feel bad for Demeter
maiden bane
I tried 51 heat after my first clear and got slammed by the crystal things
Used all 3 dd on em and died to the fast miniboss
Wretched Sneak
brisk trail
Hate that boss with a passion
maiden bane
Just got an offer for 50 darkness at the cost of an ambrosia
fiery bramble
Now that's a deal
brisk trail
Making damn good time
6:40 into Lernies room
And 7:42 out
12:51 for the heroes I'm doing well
brisk trail
Slowww
maiden bane
Lol
maiden bane
Sheesh
limber mist
Question guys. For the Fists hidden Aspect…I know I need them equipped for Minotaur but do I need a certain version of them on? I just can’t get this dialogue to trigger
modern garnet
you gotta meet the miniboss bull specifically
you don't need a specific kind of fists but you do need to have spent 5 titan blood in the fists
limber mist
Yea, I’ve done all that
Every time I run into him, he just keeps talking about me fighting bare hands and I make a comment about how these fists aren’t bare hands etc
weary jackal
Chaos refuses to give me Beowulf even though I’ve maxed Zeus aspect
It’s probably just Rng
brisk trail
In order to get Hidden Fists I need to get the Hidden Varatha?
weary jackal
Yeah, you have to get Guan Yu first
maiden bane
Bro
weary jackal
But spear is trashhhh
Spear isn’t trash
Perhaps
It is you
brisk trail
I kill Theseus before he has a chance to do anything major with his summon
brisk trail
Spear isn’t trash
Perhaps
It is you
It's not my playstyle. In my eyes it's trash. I just don't like it. If you do then sure you can make it really good but I just dislike the weapon as itself. That's probably why I think it's so bad.
I prefer the run up and massacre playstyle of Malphon
brisk trail
I love shield
weary jackal
Exactly
And now so do I
Chaos, give me Beowulf, damn you
weary jackal
It’s the only hidden aspect I don’t have
weary jackal
Just Aspect of Zag Shield
I use Zeus
Funny beyblade
brisk trail
I've only got one aspect and that's Dem Malphon
weary jackal
Dem Malphon is great
weary jackal
Mine’s 20 with the bow
brisk trail
I don't have the blood to spare
weary jackal
3 heat gives you what, 8 per weapon?
brisk trail
I've only used Malphon
I've not even beaten the game with anything other than Malphon
weary jackal
You can get 42 blood from each weapon if you don’t include ambrosia and diamond conversions
It takes 51 to max every aspect of a weapon
brisk trail
Yeah ik but 8mma stick with my fists until I'm comfortable to try Hades with bow
And once I've maxed my mirror
weary jackal
I recommend the Aspect of Chiron for bow
brisk trail
I'm not sure, fairly low though
It was the weapon I used before Malphon where I kept getting murdered by the Heroes
weary jackal
I don’t think I’ve died unintentionally to Theseus and the Minotaur for a while
weary jackal
Chiron works similarly to Demeter
maiden bane
Damn
weary jackal
Just curve your shots around it then
Or shoot him in the back after he spear throws
maiden bane
I busted
brisk trail
Yeah my Chiron is only lv2
weary jackal
Yeah my Chiron is only lv2
5 arrows, oof
You wanna get it to 4 (7 arrows) before it starts being good
brisk trail
I love how my job is now repeatedly murdering my father to test security
weary jackal
<:shadeembarassed:520448365809500175>
weary jackal
I love how my job is now repeatedly murdering my father to test security
How have you already gotten the credits without going over 3 heat
brisk trail
I've been darkness farming his fights
weary jackal
…
I wonder if you could cheese 32 heat with the free dad fight from the 10th win
weary jackal
Amazin’
brisk trail
And it counts
Once I max out my mirror I'm gonna start Blood Farming
What's the best aspect for Stygius? That's a weapon I'm interested in.
maiden bane
…
I wonder if you could cheese 32 heat with the free dad fight from the 10th win
What’s that
weary jackal
shhh
brisk trail
Actually how good is Stygius in the first place
weary jackal
I think it’s the worst weapon
brisk trail
Imo from best to worst it goes.
Malphon, Coronacht, Aegis, Stygius, Exagryph, Varatha
weary jackal
Coronacht, Malphon, Aegis, Varatha, Exagryph, Stygius
maiden bane
Breaking news: rail is trash now I guess
brisk trail
Malphon can melt things with the correct boons
Like me defeating both heroes in 37 seconds
weary jackal
The only rail aspect I like is Lucifer
brisk trail
I haven't touched rail more than once
maiden bane
I got rupture with fist attack
weary jackal
ghostbusters theme intensifies
maiden bane
Purple rarity
brisk trail
Merciful End Malphon just seems like cheating
mint coral
merciful end is good in pretty much anything tbf
weary jackal
Bow
mint coral
use rama 
brisk trail
In my experience, bosses have a better chance surviving being hit by the sun than my Merciful End Malphon build
Merciful End with dem cast and support fire
Is the very basics
weary jackal
use rama <:SuiGalaxyBrain:870806415768432681>
Yeah use the even slower version that benefits more from % damage than a flat raise
brisk trail
Imagine not beating Megaera in 21 seconds.
weary jackal
Imagine not beating megaera
brisk trail
The only boss I've never lost to is Lernie
red coral
Imagine being a new player or running on a high heat with Megaera
mint coral
Yeah use the even slower version that benefits more from % damage than a flat ra...
doom on special and divine dash
also that it works better with % doesnt stop ME from being good 
weary jackal
John Lennon’s Imagine
brisk trail
What weapon is closest in playstyle to Malphon?
weary jackal
Varatha
brisk trail
Haha funny
weary jackal
🗿
brisk trail
No but seriously what's the closest
weary jackal
🗿
brisk trail
Ugh you irritant
weary jackal
Speer
brisk trail
I refuse to use Varatha
red coral
Malphon is a pretty unique weapon, honestly flirty slash with the sword is closest to it imp
*flurry
brisk trail
Flirty Slash my favourite
red coral
Though with Aphrodite any slash am be flirty
mint coral
weary jackal
Aphrodite is better on flourish tho
red coral
I mean let’s be Real Aphro is is just good
brisk trail
Sleep or Hades
brisk trail
It is 1:30
weary jackal
I mean let’s be Real Aphro is is just good
Artemis better
Aphrodite won’t leave me alone with Heroic Flourish
red coral
…am?
weary jackal
It is 1:30
Yooo same
brisk trail
Am.
red coral
Homies get some rest
brisk trail
Sleep is for the weak
red coral
Sleep is for This Week
weary jackal
Reject Hypnos
red coral
Accept Hypnos
gentle mason
What weapon is closest in playstyle to Malphon?
It depends on what you mean by play style, the sword is a fairly aggressive melee weapon, for example but the rail is other super fast low damage weapon. However, ME is good in the sword and terrible on the rail (just use a lot of Zeus)
junior haven
always accept hypnos
brisk trail
I wanna get up in people's faces and murder them so tomorrow I'll get my sword and have a look
What is the best sword aspect?
weary jackal
I have specific songs for each weapon because I find it funny
red coral
Yeah? What are some of your picks?
brisk trail
I don't wanna invest too much blood yet tho. I'm fairly new and fairly low heat so I wanna conserve my Blood
junior haven
i always play final countdown when i go into a boss battle
brisk trail
i always play final countdown when i go into a boss battle
Person of culture
gentle mason
What is the best sword aspect?
If you really want to be in their face, the best choice is the hidden sword but Nemesis is still a very good option.
weary jackal
The ghostbusters theme for rail because I only use Lucifer, One Punch Man for Dem Malphon, And Who Brings Shadow from FFXIV for Coronacht
junior haven
im going to fight thanatos with my fists
brisk trail
All I know is I wanna butcher some people. I'll have a look at how to get Hidden Sword
brisk trail
im going to fight thanatos with my fists
You can... fight Thanatos?
weary jackal
No
junior haven
no im just annoyed because i havent seen him in 4 runs and im trying to up m friendship with him
gentle mason
All I know is I wanna butcher some people. I'll have a look at how to get Hidden...
It requires a fair amount of blood to get because you have get the hidden spear first and invest in other non-Zag aspects.
brisk trail
You have to have Guan Yu aspect. Love that.
Do I need to unlock it or just have it available to unlock?
I don't wanna put blood into my spear man
weary jackal
You don’t need to buy it, you just need to have had spoken the words
gentle mason
You have to have Guan Yu aspect. Love that.
Basically, you will have invest blood in Nemesis or Poseidon to get the hidden sword. So, just start with nemesis and use it gain some more blood
weary jackal
You can, technically
brisk trail
SILENCE
gentle mason
It just won’t sink
junior haven
the shield is my worst tbh
weary jackal
the shield is my worst tbh
Get the Aspect of Zeus to max, and then use it like a beyblade
weary jackal
OR ACHILLES
Achilles already had it before
brisk trail
I'll give it back to him then
I dont
Wanr
The Spear
So I need to unlock 5 other aspects
gentle mason
OR ACHILLES
By the way Achilles spear is actually fantastic, use should try using it with a cast based build some time in the future.
brisk trail
I refuse
To use the spear
I will not budge. I have never hated a weapon in a game more than it. I cannot find a single good thing about it
Maybe I'm being a bit too harsh
weary jackal
Have you considered
That you may
Just possibly be
Bad
brisk trail
But I don't care
brisk trail
Have you considered
That you may
Just possibly be
Bad
Probably am.
I've only got 10 clears
My fastest time is 17m
gentle mason
I've only got 10 clears
You also haven't used since you upgraded your mirror quite a bit and learned a lot about builds, you will probably be better with it now.
brisk trail
Yeah fair. Maybe I'll give it another try
Should I just unlock all the 2 blood aspects with every weapon for Guan Yu then
weary jackal
No, get the 1 blood ones
brisk trail
1 blood sorry. Misclick
modern garnet
Get a bunch of aspects you find interesting
weary jackal
You need to unlock all of them for a prophecy anyway
brisk trail
I'm gonna get the Zeus Shield and Nemesis Sword then probably whatever on the Rail and Spear
gentle mason
I'm gonna get the Zeus Shield and Nemesis Sword then probably whatever on the Ra...
Eris & Achilles which are the both the 1 blood options and the best options for their weapons.
Although both get much stronger as you dump more blood into them.
thorn marsh
achilles really benefits from being fully upgraded
brisk trail
I'll probably start using Shield more once I get Beowulf
brisk trail
I don't even know what it does
But from what I've heard it's the world record aspect so it has to be good
brisk trail
Ah cool. I'm going to sleep now before I die
heady cypress
Who are y'alls fav npcs
Mine is eurydice or whatever the English name is I just keep standing around in the room and listening to her song
mint coral
Orpheus my boi
mint coral
whole epoch
I will not budge. I have never hated a weapon in a game more than it. I cannot f...
spear is insane I love it, but it does require you to be in certain spacing and positioning to avoid the most damage
whole epoch
I'm gonna get the Zeus Shield and Nemesis Sword then probably whatever on the Ra...
Aspect of Lucifer my beloved
whole epoch
Mine is eurydice or whatever the English name is I just keep standing around in ...
I legit afked for like 30 minutes doing other stuff just cuz I wanted to hear her sing
low hare
Poseidon's beard freaks me out
mint coral
3:45 out of aspho, nice
crude surge
Nice!
robust sapphire
I’m hoping to platinum this game before the year is up
Gonna be hard AF. But I wanna try
whole epoch
I can't believe I beat Hades on Extreme Measures 4
mint coral
gonna make it worse by getting tiny vermin
mint coral
actually jinxed it
pls be a 4 sack at least
crude surge
The game just knows when your on pace
umbral whale
Do you have to do nyx's favor to get the aspect of Arthur?
mint coral
nope
fiery bramble
I was totally expecting to see ||physical models of the gods in the Underworld ||during the prologue
weary jackal
You mean Epilogue?
fiery bramble
Right my bad
limber mist
Question regarding Bouldy….will the rock just randomly have the option for nectar at some point? Sisyphus is maxed out and keeps talking about Bouldy, but no option to give that I can see
fiery bramble
Are you able to speak with him?
You do have to position yourself a little to the left of Bouldy, at least I had to a couple times before the prompt appeared
limber mist
Lmao right after I wrote that, it gave me an option to talk to him lol got love rng. But no option for nectar, maybe next time?
But they got the introduction over so maybe I can’t the first time
fiery bramble
Most likely next time
limber mist
Cool , thanks 😊
whole ridge
Only bonds I have left now is Athena, Demeter, Hypnos, and Sysiphus.
And with now clearing the epilogue, I should have plenty of Ambrosia for it
shadow edge
Is this scary because I don’t like scary games
shadow edge
It looks scary
rapid forum
what? hades? it's a scary as a baby lion's roar
south lagoon
it doesn't really use any horror elements or try to scare you at any point. a lot of the environments in the game are skull- and death-themed because it's about Hades, which is uh strongly connected to death. so you get a bit of a running theme there. but the game isn't gonna try to scare you, and the story is overall very sweet, with a lot of comedy
severe pelican
welp for some reason i find myself addicted to the rail
fiery bramble
I just used max upgraded Hestias for the first time and im inclined to agree
fiery bramble
Thats all I used for rail before upgrading this ,love Eris
severe pelican
but i also just maxed out my aspect too :D
mint coral
nothing wrong with using eris anyways
severe pelican
of course not, i love it :)
im pushing heat the boring way, 1 at a time to farm bounties lol
fiery bramble
Honestly Eris and Hestia feel pretty similar, just slightly different catalyst for activating the bonus damage
severe pelican
and so far im up to 7 on eris and 2 on everything else lol
abstract tusk
What is the best sword aspect?
I'd say the hidden one if you don't mind tanking.
mint coral
arthur is fun
severe pelican
I wish i could make arthur work :/ i find myself getting frustrated and quitting out mid run because it just feels too dang clunky
abstract tusk
You have to stay within Hallowed Ground in order to extract the best of it.
And get its hammer.
fiery bramble
- to attack speed, and the hammer that extends the aura is a must
gentle mason
I just finished using Hestia for a Pierced Butterfly run and it was effective for that but it was a slow run.
severe pelican
pierced butterfly?
gentle mason
pierced butterfly?
Than's keepsake
mint coral
than keepsake
fiery bramble
I just finished using Hestia for a Pierced Butterfly run and it was effective fo...
Try reloading more often, treat the rail sorta like a shotgun lol
severe pelican
ah i see
mint coral
+1/1.5/2% more damage x each encounter you beat hitless
umbral whale
Man demeter's aspect just.. doesnt seem that great...
gentle mason
+1/1.5/2% more damage x each encounter you beat hitless
Which is why it was slower, I can go much faster if I'm willing to get hit about once or twice a room.
south lagoon
Man demeter's aspect just.. doesnt seem that great...
dem aspect is great just you wait and see
severe pelican
chaos shield was the first aspect i maxed and i love it but i struggle with beo
severe pelican
Man demeter's aspect just.. doesnt seem that great...
are you early into levelling it? it gets a lot better
mint coral
you can always ignore the aspect and just do ME
umbral whale
I assume its probly rly good at max level but like.. i dont think ill use it til i do max it lol
south lagoon
thats chill the other fists are fun too
fiery bramble
Thats true for a couple aspects tbh lol
severe pelican
thats fine, i think a couple aspects feel like that
umbral whale
I love the talos one
severe pelican
chiron feels pretty naff till higher ranks
south lagoon
talos is super fun to play
umbral whale
Hestia's aspect is pretty crap til max then its god tier
fiery bramble
Chiron, to me, is the easiest aspect to absolutely tear up Hades, I have the most clears with it, it just feels right to me
umbral whale
chiron feels pretty naff till higher ranks
My first clear with the bow was with chiron actually at levle 1 lol
severe pelican
i suppose i cant consider myself a rail lover till i give hestia a fair try huh
umbral whale
I just stacked crit and spammed it lol
mint coral
i suppose i cant consider myself a rail lover till i give hestia a fair try huh
do hestia with shackle and boonless 
umbral whale
i suppose i cant consider myself a rail lover till i give hestia a fair try huh
Its actually my favorite. My least favorite is Lucifer which sucks cuz its so cool
fiery bramble
Artemis on Chiron is nuts, as is Zeus and Aphro
severe pelican
one of my favourite runs i think was with dio attack spear and serrated hammer + loads of hangover synergies
only enjoyable spear run ive ever done 😔
mint coral
hangover eris is fun
umbral whale
I actually really like Hades' spear. It was my first Spear clear
mint coral
double damage to hangover with eris buff and high confidence
gentle mason
hangover eris is fun
I just prefer Zeus Eris so much more.
umbral whale
Someday ill do it with guan yu
fiery bramble
I have the least clears with Spear by a long shot
severe pelican
rn my best time is only 13:23 id love to get a 10 minute some time soon
mint coral
I just prefer Zeus Eris so much more.
i get bored of it after a while
severe pelican
might have to merciful end cheese it though
gentle mason
cus i certainly dont!
You can always just do Achilles Spear Cast builds if you want to ignore the Spear part.
mint coral
might as well just make a timed bomb with hangover eris
severe pelican
I just prefer Zeus Eris so much more.
i am addicted to zeus eris right now
past 3 runs on gun have been zeus eris heh
south lagoon
i like flurry Achilles and any Guan Yu, besides those (even pre-flurry hammer on achilles) i def understand the feeling of not "getting" the spear
severe pelican
You can always just do Achilles Spear Cast builds if you want to ignore the Spea...
yeah thats a shout, i would like to make myself learn cast builds as ive seen how potent they can be
mint coral
flurry achilles our beloved 
severe pelican
i think zeus makes for some really flashy and fun runs at the very least