h1-discussion

[abstract tusk]

I wonder if Hangover can trigger Doom...

Imagine how OP that'd be.

[reef zodiac]

Is rocket bomb as good on Hestia as it is on Eris?

[mint coral]

If you can, take aphro/artemis on soecial instead

[ripe dirge]

thanks

[mint coral]

Or any decent % special

[lone kernel]

it doesnt give you the damage buff, but it's a high damage AOE

[mint coral]

Rocket bomb is always decent

[quick ledge]

lol 2late

[lone kernel]

i should give hestia a go

i think i did it like, one time

[abstract tusk]

If you have, say Athena's Normal attack boon in Epic (purple) rarity and you come across Zeus' attack boon, it'll keep the same level and go to Heroic (red) rarity.

ALSO.

EVERYONE, GET SIDE HUSTLE.

It's is wonderfully broken.

[mint coral]

Sell whatever you put in special rn /j

[reef zodiac]

Yeah I understand that much. But like is it amazing for its damage or for its utility in specifically Eris? In other words, is it incredible for Eris and good for others, or is it still incredible for other aspects too?

[reef zodiac]

It’s not

[quick ledge]

[mint coral]

I like greatest reflex/hyper sprint + rush delivery more

[abstract tusk]

When you make it to Styx, it makes itself seen.

[reef zodiac]

Side Hustle is not good

[winter fable]

side hustle more for when you want something good but you have good boons for dmg alr

[reef zodiac]

Especially in comparison so other boons from Hermès

[winter fable]

yeah

[reef zodiac]

I would not suggest taking it unless you get really bad options and are low on rolls

[winter fable]

his extra dashes singe handedly got me my first escape

[abstract tusk]

If that's the only GOOD one available, that's the one I pick, especially once I get to Styx and Charon's selling a diamond or Titan blood.

[abstract tusk]

Extra Dash OPPPPP

[winter fable]

ikr

[abstract tusk]

But I mean.

[reef zodiac]

It’s not good though. In fact, it’s pretty bad. It’s not worthless but it’s definitely in the bottom tier of Hermès boons

[abstract tusk]

Literally how-

[ripe dirge]

thanks again

[winter fable]

which one?

[olive goblet]

what’s poppin party people

[reef zodiac]

It’s does very little

[winter fable]

hyper sprint extra dsh one or rush delivery

[mint coral]

I mean yeah is decent if like there is nothing else
But if that happens i just get sad

[abstract tusk]

On its own

[reef zodiac]

As long as you can manage gold you really don’t need it even with CF2

[reef zodiac]

?? It doesn’t get better in combination with anything else though ??

[mint coral]

What rarity is RD?

[winter fable]

ikd

[abstract tusk]

If you get lucky like me and get two Chaos Boons that increase Obol value, and get Side hustle (Epic) which gives 16 a room.

[winter fable]

*idk

[reef zodiac]

Huh? Wym what rarity? It’s a tier two/one (depending on how you see that) boon if that’s what you mean

[abstract tusk]

Rare, Epic, Heroic

[reef zodiac]

That’s not how it works though. A boon isn’t set to a rarity

[mint coral]

I thought they were asking what to choose lmao

[lone kernel]

It won’t be as busted as it is on Eris, but it’s still a rocket launcher and will add value. I’d take cluster bomb over it first though for more area damage

[abstract tusk]

Okay then. Rarity = Quality.

[reef zodiac]

Why the hell would you need all that gold??

[dusty lark]

Has anyone else noticed that when ur good at the harp u play it once and it does a whole song without ur hands moving

Like one stroke and ur playing a whole song

[lone kernel]

On side hustle: it falls apart once CF comes into play, but I’ve had some good times hoarding money, rolling the elysium well with Charon keepsake, and having like ten items for the rest of the run

[mint coral]

Rd is nice at common but such a joy when its epic

[abstract tusk]

CF?

I finished the main story.

Well, "Main Story"

[mint coral]

Custom fees

[abstract tusk]

OOOOHHHH

[lone kernel]

Convenience fee on the pact of punishment

[abstract tusk]

Well yea

Sorry, lol

I feel stupid now.

[lone kernel]

Nah don’t feel stupid it’s all good!

If you just finished the main story, expecting you to have memorized the pact would be unreasonable

[abstract tusk]

But without CF, side hustle is a good help in Styx if you're trying to get those high cost items.

[mint coral]

Thats one of the pacts i avoid, i like buying boons

[reef zodiac]

I almost never die to Hades. If it’s low heat then I’m always fine by the time I get there, and if it’s high heat then I have EM3 and champions fight is way harder than Hades anyway. Therefore, I have no reason to have all the damn gold. As long as I can afford a boon at most of the shops (which is not very hard even with CF2), I don’t need any gold entering Styx. @abstract tusk

Side Hustle is never very helpful

[abstract tusk]

I have no idea what half of those things are.

[lone kernel]

I mean if you’re running a cast build and take side hustle over quick reload, that’s questionable

[abstract tusk]

I have no idea what this Champions fight is.

Don't wanna be spoiled tho

[lone kernel]

but if you like building a massive economy, go for it

It’s the Theseus fight

[abstract tusk]

AS IF

[mint coral]

Side hustle for hoarding slash

[reef zodiac]

Side Hustle is still worse than almost every other Hermès boon no matter what build you’re running imo

[abstract tusk]

Why do you hate Side Hustle so much holy crap-

[reef zodiac]

I don’t hate it, it’s just bad

[abstract tusk]

Every boon has its use.

[reef zodiac]

Not the worst of the worst, but definitely bottom 5 from Hermès

Very undesirable

I didn’t really love that you suggested it so strongly to a new player

[abstract tusk]

When I see it and all boons are of common rarity, I take it because I know it can make me extra money to get more boons from charon.

[lone kernel]

Part of the fun is trying out all the options

Rarity is basically a free Pom on the default boon (oversimplification but it’ll work)

But like, I’ve taken a common over a duo before

[abstract tusk]

I've yet to run a Cast build, do you take Stygian Soul or Infernal Soul?

[lone kernel]

And it was the right call in that situation (most recently common Arctic blast over epic Demeter call and the Zeus duo)

[mint coral]

Duos are more special cases tbh
Not all are a must take

[abstract tusk]

Regen or Capacity.

Some are just awful.

[reef zodiac]

Well you can do that. But, in my personal opinion, that is almost always a mistake. If you get offered boons so bad that side hustle is the best one available (which is pretty unlikely), then it’s almost always worth a roll to hopefully get a boon that will actually do something for you

[lone kernel]

Usually Stygian

[abstract tusk]

But some, Like Dionysus and Zeus' Duo, are fantastic

[mint coral]

If you are running hera/beo use infernal

[lone kernel]

He may not have roll

[abstract tusk]

I have Fated Authority.

[mint coral]

Non lodging cast can use both but stygian + casts from chaos/charon wells can be better

(i think)

[abstract tusk]

Not Fated Persuasion

[lone kernel]

Fated persuasion is way better

[abstract tusk]

Because Darkness be broke.

Really?

[reef zodiac]

I actually think side hustle is even worse without CF2 because in that case you will easily have more gold than you could need, rendering it entirely worthless unless you really want to buy out the entirety of Charon’s shop

[lone kernel]

Yep

[olive goblet]

how do i get duos consistently?

[mint coral]

Authority is more for memes imo

[lone kernel]

Memorize the prerequisites

[olive goblet]

uh

got it boss

[mint coral]

Pom blossom chiron and re roll all into poms

[lone kernel]

not tryin to be a dingus - you need to know what boons are required

[reef zodiac]

Yeah it’s pretty much a universal consensus that persuasion is way way better

[abstract tusk]

There's one Mirror talent that increases the occurence but I don't know what the limit on it is because I haven't levelled it up.

[lone kernel]

For example, you can’t get deadly reversal from athena without her being on attack or special

[reef zodiac]

Or you can just keep checking the codex

[olive goblet]

OH i gotta have special boons?

[lone kernel]

Use that codex

[abstract tusk]

Specific*

[lone kernel]

yeah, I memorized most of em by now lol

[olive goblet]

oops

[lone kernel]

Yeah like you need a core boon to get duos

[mint coral]

Most of them default to 1 core boon from each god

[reef zodiac]

I’d highly advise checking the codex a lot when you’re looking for specific boons, until you are able to memorize it. It’s a very helpful resource

[mint coral]

But some are more specific

[olive goblet]

i see

[lone kernel]

Also when you should roll or what should I take

[south lagoon]

use the codex, get a grasp on which boons you need & which ones you avoid - if you want one Duo, your chances of getting it are better if you aren't eligible for multiple Duos (from the same god), so they won't compete

[abstract tusk]

Like, there's one with Poseidon and Demeter.

But the biggest prereq is having Poseidon Cast.

And it's the only Poseidon Boon that works for it.

[lone kernel]

Same with Poseidon and ares

[abstract tusk]

And Zeus and Dio

[olive goblet]

i understand this completely now

[quick ledge]

hammers are always RNG based right?

[abstract tusk]

Zeus and Dio OP tw

[reef zodiac]

Yeah

[mint coral]

To boost chances there is also yarn of ariadne (charon well) refreshing nectar (eurydice) and god's legacy (mirror skill)

[abstract tusk]

Yea. Can you reroll a hammer?

[reef zodiac]

No

[south lagoon]

nopw

[abstract tusk]

MAN

[lone kernel]

It’s the one you can’t

I end up using my rolls on customs a lot 😦

(The pact)

[mint coral]

If you could achilles spear users wont endure so much pain for flurry jab

[abstract tusk]

So sad that you can only get 2 hammers/run. 3 if you use the anvil or get the hammer in Styx if you're extremely lucky

At least for me I never got more than 3 hammers

[south lagoon]

you can't get more than 3

[mint coral]

3 is max but almost never worth going for

[abstract tusk]

Depends on what you wanna do.

[south lagoon]

and there is only the anvil in Styx, no regular hammers i think

[mint coral]

Unless all your hammers suck way more than what is possible

[reef zodiac]

Ooh that’s unfortunate. I’d work on adaptability, you can save a lot of rolls if you’re more willing to give up medium-good boons even if you have worse ones. I almost never end up having to roll for customs

[abstract tusk]

I had the hammer in styx once though

Not as a reward but from Charon

[lone kernel]

I once got rocket bomb and cluster bomb off an anvil. I was very excited

[abstract tusk]

You were shooting 5 missiles?

[lone kernel]

yep

[abstract tusk]

LUCKY

[mint coral]

Once i lost cluster rockets to anvil

[reef zodiac]

Yeah he always sells exactly one and they can’t be gotten any other way

[olive goblet]

hazard bomb is one of my favorite hammers

big boom

[abstract tusk]

That or the anvil.

[mint coral]

Hazard bomb eris

[reef zodiac]

Why would you roll that lmao you were guaranteed to lose it

[mint coral]

[lone kernel]

That’s one where hestia > Eris

[reef zodiac]

Oh wait I mean the anvil sorry my bad

[abstract tusk]

It's either the Anvil or Hermes on that spot

When you accidentally roll the anvil while you were trying to get something else...

[reef zodiac]

Oh wait how did I forget that lmao

[mint coral]

tries to buy pom
Zag facing towards the anvil, while mashing interact
Lost cluster rockets and pauses in disbelief

[reef zodiac]

I never buy things in Styx anymore because I run CF2

[mint coral]

32 heat too

[abstract tusk]

I read this as porn and I was VERY concerned for a second.

[lone kernel]

Did you finish

[reef zodiac]

That’s where you quit and re-enter. Transaction has been undone. There’s a little trick (kinda a cheat though) for you

[abstract tusk]

I need to go to bed-

[lone kernel]

Night

[mint coral]

Still won tho

[lone kernel]

Woot

Love to see it

[mint coral]

Absolutely hilarious but still

[abstract tusk]

Oh lmao I ain't going yet and I prolly won't sleep cause I need to get up at like... 6 AM.

[reef zodiac]

Why does this server not have a Pog emote of any kind

[abstract tusk]

Will this do?

[olive goblet]

this kinda

[reef zodiac]

It’s not from this server

So no

[abstract tusk]

Shhhh

[dusky wedge]

I wonder if I can just dash around in the special’s circle to dodge it, and still get the Eris buff, if I got hazard bomb

[abstract tusk]

it's fine-

[reef zodiac]

[reef zodiac]

?

[abstract tusk]

YEah

[mint coral]

And for 32 heat rama i got the opposite
Chain and point blank, used anvil and got perfect and twin shot

[reef zodiac]

I always wondered that too haha

[mint coral]

You can

[reef zodiac]

Report back if you get that to work

[dusky wedge]

Do we need to get damage, or do we really only need to be in the circle when the bomb drops?

[abstract tusk]

Rama is so GOOOOOD

[lone kernel]

Thing of beauty

[dusky wedge]

Oh nice

[lone kernel]

Yeah I love me some Rama

[mint coral]

If you get delta chamber you can dash strike and still grt i-frames

[abstract tusk]

I somehow had Point blank AND sniper shot.

[dusky wedge]

So, it can work, albeit with a lot more effort

[reef zodiac]

Rama and Beo are the best two aspects imo

[lone kernel]

Had this deadly reversal heart rend situation going on with twin and point blank shot

[mint coral]

So no need to stop firing to get eris buff

[lone kernel]

Four digit crits

[reef zodiac]

What? Isn’t that not possible

[stoic flame]

cultured

[abstract tusk]

If you don't mind tanking damage, Arthur is great.

[stoic flame]

rama and lucifer best

[lone kernel]

Eris Rama and Achilles my top three

[abstract tusk]

Lucifer is from Exagryph I gather?

[stoic flame]

yes

[mint coral]

Ye

[reef zodiac]

I mean it’s fine I guess, but you can’t be presenting that as if it’s even in the top 10 best in the game

[abstract tusk]

I don't care about tiers. But I agree.

Look at my Icon.

[lone kernel]

Arthur is just fun

[stoic flame]

arthur lmao

[reef zodiac]

Isn’t Lucifer kinda… mid at best?

[lone kernel]

It feels like playing ganondorf in smash

[stoic flame]

its fun

[olive goblet]

arthur is cool

[stoic flame]

thats why its good

[abstract tusk]

SEE!? I KNEW I WASN'T THE ONLY ONE.

[lone kernel]

Eris is better, but it’s a laser gun

[stoic flame]

i dont care about damage and speed and all that

if its fun

its the best

for me

[olive goblet]

tier lists should be around fun levels not usefulness

[lone kernel]

so I’ll use it here and there as a goof

[reef zodiac]

Ok I was just confused because you replied as if you thought it was at the top with the two I said

[stoic flame]

preach

[lone kernel]

Everyone’s would be different

[olive goblet]

yeah

[reef zodiac]

*Your favorite

[candid obsidian]

I wish their was a charged attack on Arthur

[reef zodiac]

HI

[mint coral]

Most tierlists should be for speedrunning/high hest tbh

[candid obsidian]

Sup

[mint coral]

Casual play can do anything

[olive goblet]

that makes it cool cause then people might try other peoples go to weapons that they don’t use yknow?

does that make sense idk

[abstract tusk]

I just use Excalibur because 60/80/200 hits hard and Hallowed Ground is a godsend if you have Athena for boons

[mint coral]

Delete the god tierlists tho

[stoic flame]

i said best for me so that means favourite

[abstract tusk]

All gods are good.

[stoic flame]

yes.

[abstract tusk]

Except Ares, all my homies hate Ares

[olive goblet]

this is true

[lone kernel]

Yep, it does, I think trying to get one unified tier list would be an exercise in futility but I also check out the victory screen thread and try new stuff that looks fun

[stoic flame]

ur trippin

[reef zodiac]

Fair enough

[olive goblet]

bruh

[lone kernel]

Merciful end

[abstract tusk]

Yes.

[olive goblet]

ares absolutely buggin on arthur imo

[stoic flame]

my least favourite god must be demeter but its still not completely trash

[reef zodiac]

Nah he has a point. Ares is bad unless you’re building around it

[abstract tusk]

Demeter is... different.

[olive goblet]

ok i agree with this

[lone kernel]

I used to not like Demeter then I got glacial glare and arctic blast and mirage shot

[abstract tusk]

You can't build her alone, or you'll be lacking.

[mint coral]

I dont use demeter but i use aspect of demeter

[lone kernel]

with homing beans

[abstract tusk]

Unless you get this guys' build.

[lone kernel]

it was marvelous

[abstract tusk]

I wish I could send images in this chat to show a build I got for Arthur.

[stoic flame]

i think demeter attack on lucifer with thta one frost blast boon would be good

never tried tho

[abstract tusk]

That I did a run with yesterday

[lone kernel]

Post it in victory boasting then copy the link here

[olive goblet]

put it in boasts

yeah

[lone kernel]

I have. Super fun

[stoic flame]

nice

i will do

today

after school

😔

[lone kernel]

Articuno mode

[stoic flame]

🥶

[abstract tusk]

#h1-victory-boasting message

[lone kernel]

lol the single best part of work from home has been hades at lunch time

[abstract tusk]

AAAAAAAAAAa

[olive goblet]

a

[stoic flame]

bruh

copy the image link

[abstract tusk]

Did I mess up by adding an emote

[stoic flame]

not message link

[abstract tusk]

See? I suck at technology

[stoic flame]

you copied the message link

[chrome wharf]

it should start with media.discordapp...

Or something along that line

[stoic flame]

yes

[lone kernel]

My dude here took JS3 and CP2

on 5 heat

Love to see it

[stoic flame]

balls

js3 💀

annoying af

[abstract tusk]

Just Copy Link, right?

[stoic flame]

yes

[abstract tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/880311447849152573/20210825205938_1.jpg

WOOHOO

[olive goblet]

YEAAHH

[mint coral]

Giant reflecting stick

[lone kernel]

What’s that damage add up to lol

[chrome wharf]

whenever I see people saying to not take RI/AP at low heat I'm like. Where else should they take it, high heat???

[abstract tusk]

I realized in that run that Artemis was not made for Arthur at all, but she just showed up on a linear room path and I was like

[lone kernel]

Did your third hit reach four digits

[stoic flame]

nice

[abstract tusk]

1388 consistent backstab

[lone kernel]

Artemis attack, aphro dash, heart rend

Damn haha

[abstract tusk]

No crit

[quick ledge]

i missed a fish in greece i hate myself

[stoic flame]

imagine having 500+ gold at the end of the run

[abstract tusk]

I got a Sturgeon.

ONCE.

[stoic flame]

F

[abstract tusk]

And I have never seen another again

[olive goblet]

can i still catch greek fish if i can’t go to the house anymore?

[chrome wharf]

yes, in dad arena

[quick ledge]

i flinched too hard and it pressed the key

[olive goblet]

oh so that’s why there water. thanks

[abstract tusk]

Here's a tip I realised today.

The bait bob will never move more than 4 times. if it doesn't move in the 3rd bob, the 4th is guaranteed to be it.

[quick ledge]

yeah i figured that too

[abstract tusk]

At least, in my 50 hours of play, it has never moved more than 4 times.

[chrome wharf]

Yes.

[winter fable]

what do fish do?

[quick ledge]

i flinched on the first bob tho

lol

[winter fable]

also how do u time it right I keep doing too early

[olive goblet]

trade them with chef at house for materials

[winter fable]

OOOoooOOo

nice

[stoic flame]

o

[winter fable]

wait there's more than one bob?

[olive goblet]

and when the bob goes all the way down yknow?

[winter fable]

I always pull at the first and never get it

[stoic flame]

3 max

bruh

[winter fable]

bruh

[abstract tusk]

4*

[stoic flame]

no

3 fake ones max

then last is real

[winter fable]

ooh k

[olive goblet]

yes it’s a règles minigame thing

[winter fable]

thx

[olive goblet]

what the i meant reflex

[stoic flame]

imagine perfect catches

[winter fable]

will there be a vibration thing on the controller besides a visual cue?

[abstract tusk]

Me.

[stoic flame]

my reflexes are the same as my grandma

nice and slow

[olive goblet]

yeah like a more intense one

[stoic flame]

:)

[abstract tusk]

There already is one

[quick ledge]

perfect catch on last bob usually easy

[stoic flame]

yes

[winter fable]

aight thx everyone

[olive goblet]

yup

[abstract tusk]

Also.

I just wanna say.

[winter fable]

mhm?

[quick ledge]

but i swear fish never spawn in chaos and im certain that theres no legendary fish in elysium, everytime i get a perfect catch there, i get a fockin carp

[abstract tusk]

Aspect of Chiron sucks with Artemis, despite how strong it looks.

[olive goblet]

gasp

you right tho

[abstract tusk]

Fish do spawn in Chaos.

And Elysium does have a leg. fish

They're just extremely rare.

[winter fable]

artemis support fire does 12 dmg at rare, I assume at epic it does 14 or 15?

[mint coral]

14 iirc

[olive goblet]

mhm

[abstract tusk]

Fire Support kinda... meh

[stoic flame]

i feel like support fire just looks it does hella damage but its not that significant

[abstract tusk]

Better for small monsters like rats in styx

[mint coral]

Is nice with fast hitting weapons

Free damage

[stoic flame]

this is true

[abstract tusk]

Twin Fists

[winter fable]

I used it with that flurry jab thing with varatha spear and it did alot

I think

[mint coral]

Eris rail too
Global damage goes brrr

[stoic flame]

🗿

[winter fable]

if it didn't it def felt rly good to use

[abstract tusk]

Is Eris' damage boost that great?

[stoic flame]

yes

it feels like ur kicking some fat butt

[mint coral]

75% extra damage with everything is good

[stoic flame]

with support fire

[abstract tusk]

Level 5?

[mint coral]

Yup

[stoic flame]

yes

[abstract tusk]

Bruh I need to get to work for that Titan Blood.

[winter fable]

what aspect u prefer for varatha?

[olive goblet]

i like hades a lot

[winter fable]

I prefer achilles for the mobility

[olive goblet]

also very good

[winter fable]

yeah

I don't think spin attack rly my thing tho

I got hades

[lone kernel]

Support fire is a prerequisite for the Artemis legendary but nobody knows if that’s real or not

[winter fable]

felt wonky having to stop to use it

[olive goblet]

understandable

[lone kernel]

Flurry jab go brr

And Eris is absolutely busted

Take a Zeus attack in first room and you’re basically ready to win

[winter fable]

yeah and I found out, good attack boons are like, just the icing on the cake with bull rush

I think I got to smthing like 200% dmg or smthnig

[abstract tusk]

Anyone else feel like a badass anime character with the Twin Fists?

[olive goblet]

i love those things

[abstract tusk]

Stick & Move, Stick & Move.

dodge, bam bam dodge bam bam dodge bam bam

[olive goblet]

i unlocked gilgamesh recently i liked them a lot

exactly bro

what more do you need

[abstract tusk]

With Demeter too. Oof.

[olive goblet]

what gods do you run with them usually?

[winter fable]

bro I loved having demeter and ares on the bullrush and attack

[olive goblet]

that sounds epic

[abstract tusk]

Haven't run them in a hot minute

[winter fable]

yeah it is

[olive goblet]

wha

[abstract tusk]

I just beat the hell out of Skelly with them

[olive goblet]

nice

[winter fable]

I assumed you said the rude word for excrement in replacement of hell earlier?

[olive goblet]

hmmm

[abstract tusk]

Correct

Anyway, do you get anything special if you ever do a flawless run?

[winter fable]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-im-a-detective-juliet-ohara-maggie-lawson-psych-psych-gifs-gif-10443177

meh idk

[abstract tusk]

Flawless = Not getting hit

[winter fable]

I imagine there could def be some dialogue for that

[abstract tusk]

Like Dark Souls 2 did

[modern garnet]

if you come into the final boss with full health, and you don't have any healing abilities, and you kill the final boss without losing any health, you get a special run clear message

[winter fable]

like when the final boss hits you with the green skull

and he says

"you could have dodged that"

[abstract tusk]

Full health, so I can take damage inside but I have to be full HP and have the fight without a scratch?

Or do I have to be completely flawless?

[modern garnet]

if you have any healing abilities it wont work

even if you don't use em

[abstract tusk]

If I purge them before going out?

[modern garnet]

yeah you can heal all you want before the fight

[remote void]

Finally reached the Epilogue today

[abstract tusk]

NICE

[modern garnet]

ooh nice

[abstract tusk]

Congrats!

[remote void]

Got all of the invites out in a single run lmao

Except for Artemis

Didn't see her in the run for some reason

Run after that I got Disciple of Artemis though

[winter fable]

the epilogue is just when u meet the women in the garden right?

or smthing else

[remote void]

Persephone? That's the first clear

[winter fable]

I was tryna avoid spoilers for other people but k lol

whats the epilogue then

how u get it

[remote void]

The ending is after the 10th clear; and the Epilogue depends on clears and relationships iirc

[winter fable]

ohooo

so life

*like

no diff endings right?

[remote void]

And all spoilers are allowed in here, although lore stuff usually is talked about in #h1-story-discussion

[winter fable]

and wym depends on relationships

[remote void]

There aren't different endings

[winter fable]

oh k

[remote void]

Nectar gifting

[winter fable]

so what the relationships affect then?

is what I mean

[remote void]

You need to get all of the Olympian Gods to 5 hearts in order to get near the ending, although it will still take some more clears

[winter fable]

so to get the epilogue

I gotta get them all to five hearts

and have it be atleast the 10th clear?

[remote void]

Doesn't take too long really

11th clear and onwards

[reef zodiac]

Does life affirmation affect premium vintage

[remote void]

I think so

[winter fable]

so I am correct that u need to have all olympian gods five hearts and be the 10th clear or more?

[remote void]

Yep!

[winter fable]

alr thx alot

[remote void]

No problem, always happy to help

[reef zodiac]

This is an important question. Does swift strike do much for Rama bow?

[weary jackal]

You need 6 Olympians at max hearts possible
Most at 7, Hermes at 8, or Demeter at 6

[winter fable]

oh alr thx for the extra info

[weary jackal]

I recommend doing Zeus, Poseidon, Demeter, Hermes, and Dionysus

And then just another one

[limber mist]

I was actually wondering, Does every character take the same amount of nectar, ambrosia etc to max relationships?

[weary jackal]

Zeus’s favour requires you to learn 3 other Olympian’s opinion of him, which is pretty easy
Poseidon requires you catch 18 fish total, and 1 before you talk to him
Demeter’s favour is the epilogue, so you don’t have to give her ambrosia
Hermes’s is talking to him with a level 3 Lambent plume
Dionysus requires you give out 10 ambrosia

[winter fable]

damn Hades has alot more content that I thought

[weary jackal]

The three romance options have 10, most gods have 7, Hermes, Sisyphus, Achilles, Pat, and I think Persephone have 8, and Hades has 5

[winter fable]

oooooooo

[weary jackal]

7-10 always require Ambrosia

[winter fable]

romance

[limber mist]

Oh ok, was wondering bc Medussa is asking for 2 of the square bottles@weary jackal

Forgot their name

[winter fable]

wait what's that lock on the second heart for hades then

[weary jackal]

Yeah, Dusa asks for 1, then 2, then 3, then 4 for her romance option
She offers to give it back eventually

[limber mist]

Oh damn

Hope so

Taking up my stash

[weary jackal]

You have to finish 10 runs, and then a dialogue option unlocks Hades’s last 4 hearts

[candid obsidian]

Family favorite or privileged status?

[weary jackal]

Family favorite

[winter fable]

aight thx

[reef zodiac]

LETS GO!!! 36 HEAT!!

Hell yeah

Rama is so incredibly strong

[raw herald]

Well done

[reef zodiac]

PStatus is better for very specific builds (such as hangover Chiron) but generally FF is a much better option. It guarantees a damage increase always where PS only applies it while the enemy is afflicted, so even if you have good status effects, they still need to both be constantly active to take full advantage of the buff (which happens less often than you might hope)

[reef zodiac]

Thank you

Past 36 it starts to get really brutal because I’ll probably have to put on FO2 so I’ll probably stop here for now. Maybe I should work on getting another aspect into the 32+ heat club (right now it’s just Achilles, Beowulf, Hera, Rama, and Eris). I’m considering maybe Lucifer? Or Demeter? Idk because I feel like I did all the good ones except for Hestia and I suck at Hestia

I tried Chiron and it just feels really bad at highest heats. Sure it’s definitely possible but it just feels really weak. I’m not sure why, but my damage just felt really bad

[raw herald]

Even if you feel you're not good at Hestia it's probably better than lucifer

[polar root]

32 is fine with chiron

[polar root]

Hestia ezpz for 32 heat

thats how I got my first one

[remote void]

Wait 3 romance options?

Thought it was only Dusa and Than

[polar root]

MEGGGGG

[remote void]

Oooh

Maxed out Than earlier today though

[polar root]

goody

[reef zodiac]

No like I’m bad bad at Hestia. I know Hestia is great but I when I play Hestia I feel like a new player learning the controls for the first time. I’m fumbling around, forgetting to empower my shot, or totally missing my empowered shot, getting hit while reloading, not knowing when to reload, stuff like that. It’s actually kinda embarrassing how bad I am with Hestia. Like I’d probably struggle to beat 26 heat with Hestia

[polar root]

It'll feel natural after a run don't worry

[reef zodiac]

Yeah maybe I should put the time in to get good with Hestia. It looks fun, and I know the aspect is great

[high island]

Doesn't affect Dash-Attacks.

[reef zodiac]

Still, it just feel very uncomfortable

[reef zodiac]

Ok that’s very good to know. Do you think it’s really worth it on Rama ever?

[high island]

You can be bad at Hestia and still get good results.

[polar root]

Might not be the most fun aspect, but its super strong

[reef zodiac]

Hestia? Idk it looks pretty fun to me

[polar root]

If you say so

gogogo

[limber mist]

What character, if any has the lowest requirement for a bond?

[reef zodiac]

But I’ve definitely got my top 5 to 32 heat and there’s a considerable gap between how much I like those 5 aspects and how much I like the other aspects in the game

[polar root]

any zag aspect

[limber mist]

Zag aspect?@polar root

[polar root]

zagreus aspects

[limber mist]

I mean the bond between characters

[polar root]

of any weapon

[limber mist]

Not weapons

[polar root]

oh I cant read

[limber mist]

Lol

All good

[polar root]

If you want a companion, you need the same ambrosia

[reef zodiac]

What are some of the other best aspects in the game? I’m actually trying to think of some and I’m having trouble

[polar root]

A lot

[polar root]

Beowulf time?

[reef zodiac]

I play Beo

I did 34 with Beo

[polar root]

+1

[reef zodiac]

It’s my secondary aspect

[polar root]

Eris, B A N A N A spear

[high island]

Beowulf, Zeus, any rail, Rama...

[polar marsh]

I made it to meg but died to her twice thank you dark souls :V

[reef zodiac]

Rama, Beo, Achilles, Eris, Hera, Hestia….. then what?

[polar root]

Sadge

[polar marsh]

Lol

[reef zodiac]

Zeus?

[polar root]

debatable

I don't like zeus that much

[reef zodiac]

Nyaa said Zeus which I didn’t expect

[limber mist]

I’m trying to get the achievement for forging a bond with a character, so trying to find out which one requires the least resources

[polar root]

Any god

I'd say Artemis

[raw herald]

I reloaded without shooting multiple times during my 50 heat clear

[raw herald]

It does have the heat record after all

[reef zodiac]

Earlier today I kept trying to reload with fists

[raw herald]

I do that too

Lmao

[polar root]

ggez

[reef zodiac]

It does? I thought Beo or Rama did

[raw herald]

Nah it's Zeus shield by ykc, 61 heat

[reef zodiac]

To be fair I don’t play fists almost ever

[raw herald]

Beo and Rama have 60

[reef zodiac]

Damn

I didn’t know Zeus was that strong

[raw herald]

It is pact resistant

[short glen]

If you've got your special bound to scroll wheel like I do, it's not

[reef zodiac]

Why is that?

[raw herald]

Well compare it to beowulf

[reef zodiac]

Why would you do that

[raw herald]

Both can do loads of damage while blocking, but Beowulf cannot do RI3 because you lose infernal soul

[reef zodiac]

Oooh good point!

[short glen]

Because I couldn't pull off the dash upper on fists, so I rebound it to make that possible without remembering zeus

[reef zodiac]

That feels pretty unnecessary but whatever works for you

[short glen]

I've got coordination problems, so it was very helpful

[reef zodiac]

Fair enough

I play on controller

[fiery bramble]

Gotta love a game that lets you rebind everything

[reef zodiac]

I’m not 100% consistent with dash-upper. Good thing fists suck and I never use them

[reef zodiac]

🙏

[reef zodiac]

I’m curious, what’s the strat for Zeus shield?

[raw herald]

Zeus special

And pray for jolted

[umbral whale]

Hello o.o

[raw herald]

Other than that it's the usual high heat stuff

[umbral whale]

i didnt know Supergiant had a discord o.o

[reef zodiac]

Ok cool

[umbral whale]

so is anyone here well versed in the Rail?

[reef zodiac]

Maybe I’ll give Zeus shield a try. Where can I find the 61 heat run with it? I want to see how they play it

[polar root]

No, I can't play Eris to save my life

[reef zodiac]

Because I have no idea how to use Zeus shield

[polar root]

you got this ezpz

[short glen]

I've played rail a few times, not good at it though

[umbral whale]

ik eris is for speedruns but im still doing story i just dont want to keep only using Zag Rail

[raw herald]

Should be in the high heat spreadsheet pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies

[umbral whale]

i was actually gonna ask if anyone knew any good tips for running Hestia.

[short glen]

All the rail aspects are pretty good tbh

[reef zodiac]

Thanks!

[umbral whale]

so far i assume attack percentages and Artemis are probly the way to go for those

[short glen]

Is hestia the reload one?

[umbral whale]

but i was wondering if anything else might be good

[raw herald]

Yes pretty much

[umbral whale]

yeah

[short glen]

Don't get delta chamber

[umbral whale]

xD funnily enough i only get delta on Zag's

[short glen]

Unless the game let's you reload with infinite ammo

[umbral whale]

i dont mean i prefer that i mean it never drops the thing unless im playing Zag's

[short glen]

Oh mood

[umbral whale]

ive only tried 2 runs with Eris, ive unlocked all the aspects but i didnt wanna try a full on run til i maxed them out cuz i maxed Zag rail as soon as i unlocked aspects lol

i just maxed Hestia's and my brain was like "Oh 150 thats a nice damage amount" then i tested it on skelly and realized its almost triple the grenade damage lol

[short glen]

I recommend one of the boons that increase damage by percent

[umbral whale]

so far ive cleared the game 8 times with Zag's Rail and once with the Fists

im still a bit new but i know Artemis's boons just give a % atk buff plus crit chance, which if i crit on the charge shot whatever i hit is going to die unless its a big armored dude

when i did a suicide run to test it out (turned the heat up to the highest it could possibly be so i could die quicker except i didnt add the one hit shield) i was still one-shotting everything in tartarus.

[short glen]

Stronk

[polar root]

Truly

[umbral whale]

i probly shouldnt be playing it this way but i legit just play it like a sniper xD i just FIRE reload FIRE reload

[polar root]

zag rail with spread fire SHREDS

[umbral whale]

ive heard

but IT NEVER WANTS TO DROP WHEN I HAVE A GOOD SETUP FOR IT XD

[polar root]

XD

Pray to artemis for epic attack

[umbral whale]

every time it drops im like "eh it really wont mesh well with this setup..."

[polar root]

slap hunter's mark on that and BAM.

[short glen]

Pressure points good

[polar root]

Real gud.

[umbral whale]

i got my gf into this game and shes all about crit chance but she does not like the gun or the sword.

also she refuses to listen to me preaching about our Lord and Savior Doom Stacking for boss deletion

[polar root]

Well

someone likes ares atleast.

https://imgur.com/a/R2P7PpP

Here.

[short glen]

Tell her about nemisis sword

[polar root]

Ares got cool voicelines

[polar root]

EXACTLY

[umbral whale]

i did she still doesnt like it (she probly just put one level into it. shes hoarding titan blood so she can max out the hidden aspect of the bow. she loves bows)

[polar root]

Makes sense

[short glen]

Does she know about the crit bow?

[polar root]

Rama with arty attack is insane

[reef zodiac]

Rama is better with Aphro attack

[polar root]

realy?

[umbral whale]

honestly like 90% of Ares' boons work with how i play. My Ideal Boss-shredder:

Zag Rail
-Rapid Fire+6 bullets
-Ricochet Bullets
Doom on Attack
-Dire Misfortune (stacking doom increases damage)
-Impending Doom (% increase to doom but activates half a second longer)
Zeus's Special
Blade Dash
-Hermes' extra dashes
-Engulfing Vortex (longer blade rifts and they pull enemies in)
Demeter's Cast
Demeter's Boon that makes it so you deal more damage and take less damage when you dont have Bloodstones
and Ares' Aid

[polar root]

hunters mark is madness

[umbral whale]

oh one more thing

[reef zodiac]

Yes. Artemis may be better for bosses, but you’ll one-shot way more enemies with Aphro than with Artemis

[polar root]

Oi you guys need to see this,

[umbral whale]

why does Aphro do more damage?

[polar root]

LOOK AT IT

[polar root]

no idea

[reef zodiac]

80% is more than 20%

[polar root]

why does

[umbral whale]

no offense but im not gonna download a link o.o

[polar root]

its fine

[umbral whale]

but crit chance tho lol

[reef zodiac]

Sure, the crits will increase the total damage for fast weapons but on something like Rama it’s not worth it

[umbral whale]

ah gotcha

so is there a channel with all the roles available in here?

[reef zodiac]

You want to have consistent high damage so you can one-shot enemies more reliably

[umbral whale]

so would that extend to the Hestia Rail?

[polar root]

yes

More flat dmg

=good

[umbral whale]

you mean % damage

Flat damage just means a simple damage buff.

like +10 damage would be a flat buff

[polar root]

Think so

Right

[umbral whale]

but +10% is not a flat buff cuz its variable

[polar root]

I dum

[umbral whale]

its ok lol

I hope one day i can be on here when Darren is in chat so i can bow before them and thank them for gracing me with such beautiful music lol

also thanks to Hades im almost an affiliate on twitch o.o

[polar root]

oh

Nicee

[umbral whale]

ive gained almost 20 followers in the last week streaming it lol

sadly its like.. really basic stream cuz my capture card doesnt work with this older tv im using

which also the ratio is off and i cant see my god gauge or which currencies are which

and there are no options to change it on the tv or in game so i just guess and figure it out by going to the broker lol

[spare tiger]

Am i missing something when it comes to unlocking the final hearts for the olympians? I've already got a few of them but i can't unlock the rest to save my life

[polar root]

Keep talking to said character

[umbral whale]

if what ive heard in FB groups are to be believed you just need to hear more dialogue with them while holding their keepsake

[spare tiger]

Do their keepsakes help at all?

[umbral whale]

ive heard Hermes is especially difficult lol

[polar root]

till they say a specific line

He is

[abstract tusk]

Ares and poseidon do not make a good combo on the spear...

[polar root]

Don't think so

[spare tiger]

What do i have to do for Hermes?

[polar root]

but it does bring them up more so keep them on nicer

[reef zodiac]

Aphro is better for things like Rama, Hestia, Guan Yu, Arthur, etc. Artemis is better for Chiron, Spread fire Zag rail, etc

[spare tiger]

I've already busted up Charon twice

[polar root]

probably not, no

[umbral whale]

ive yet to beat charon xD

[reef zodiac]

Curse of Drowning

[polar root]

wow

[spare tiger]

He's not too hard once you figure out his patterns

[umbral whale]

dude just hits SOO hard and every time ive gotten the chance to fight him i dont have xtra dodges and i really need them if im gonna beat him with a rail lol

two dashes usually arent enough to keep me safe during all his shenanigans and those oar swings

[lunar crane]

you can fight charon?

[polar root]

yes

[lunar crane]

why would you?

[polar root]

If you "borrow" 300 gold from Charon

[short glen]

Cool item

[polar root]

You get a membership card, which gives you 20% off on charon items

[lunar crane]

huh

[modern garnet]

for the rest of the run

[umbral whale]

idk the conditions for it but sometimes there will be a bag of gold in the back of his shop and if you touch it he gets pissed and teleports you to a special arena (which unlocks a tab in the codex so try it at least once)

[short glen]

That's per run btw, not forever

[polar root]

From both wells and from shops

[spare tiger]

Usually at the cost of a death defiance

[polar root]

nonono

[umbral whale]

i wish beating him would like... add like a 5% discount on his keepsake lol

[polar root]

just get used to game

after fighting him so many times

[short glen]

Just Win tm

[polar root]

ezpz

[modern garnet]

you can fight charon, lose 3 DDs, and buy em all back on your way up

[spare tiger]

Random chance as long as the shop isn't the 2nd to last room of the area

[polar root]

STONKS

[umbral whale]

so you dont have to raise his affinity?

[ripe dirge]

do attack speed bonuses affect bow charge time? I would think so but I cant tell a difference

[umbral whale]

lol i didnt see one til id maxed him out

[spare tiger]

It wouldn't hurt

[umbral whale]

ill have to beat him eventually cuz getting the loyalty card is a trophy

[spare tiger]

Another question

Can you only get the twin fists unlock in the miniboss fight with Asterius?

[umbral whale]

?

[spare tiger]

Or can it proc in the pre fight dialogue?

[polar root]

mini boss fight

I think

[spare tiger]

To unlock the twin fists hidden aspect you need to talk with Asterius after you spend titan blood on it

I wasn't sure if it was mini boss only or if it's possible from the duo fight

[polar root]

Theseus doesnt shut his gob that often

[umbral whale]

oh god thats horrible

[spare tiger]

I still remember when someone said the labyrinth of Minos would be a really cool DLC and i stand by that

[umbral whale]

i only get him like 10% of the time. mostly i get that damned dire soulcatcher

that would be an awesome DLC

[spare tiger]

Hey supergiant if you're lurking

[short glen]

That was actually the original plan for the game iirc

[spare tiger]

Something to think about maybe?

[umbral whale]

honestly theres tons of fun stuff you could do cuz its greek mythology

[short glen]

Something about playing as Theseus

[spare tiger]

I remember reading about that yeah

[umbral whale]

oh god please dont make me play as that shiny braggart

[polar root]

Please

[umbral whale]

hes annoying enough to fight i dont wanna play as him xD

[spare tiger]

It would be a cool concept though wouldn't it?

[umbral whale]

yeah i cant deny that

[polar root]

Hes a trick spear user

[short glen]

Well I assume he wasn't as annoying in the original concept

[reef zodiac]

Soul catcher is easy. Asterius mini-boss is way harder and also way slower

[umbral whale]

i do not agree with you

[spare tiger]

He's just soooooo bulkyyyyyyyyyy

[umbral whale]

in fact i believe the opposite

[reef zodiac]

I mean it’s objectively slower

[umbral whale]

i can beat Asterius without taking damage easily

[short glen]

I used to believe that as well, rin. But nowadays I much prefer soulcatcher

[reef zodiac]

Butterfly ball is easy as hell

[spare tiger]

The difference between the butterfly ball and asterius is one is actually fun

[reef zodiac]

Asterius is a complete nightmare at high heats too

[spare tiger]

The other is an absolute slog

[dusky wedge]

Soul-catcher is a faster fight, ngl

[umbral whale]

if i dont have the cheesy rocket-athena trick those butterflies wind up taking like 10-20 damage

[spare tiger]

That's all too true

[umbral whale]

er not damage health

[dusky wedge]

When you’re doing TD runs, you need to go fast

[umbral whale]

TD?

[reef zodiac]

FO2, EM3, HL5 Asterius is harder than the Hades fight and that’s literally not a joke

[spare tiger]

Actually that reminds me

[dusky wedge]

Tight Deadline, timed biomes

[umbral whale]

oh that thing

[spare tiger]

I had a dream run with 0 heat nemesis sword

And guess what happened

Hint: I didn't die

[short glen]

Crash?

[reef zodiac]

You woke up because it was a dream?

[spare tiger]

I HAD TO CLEAN STYX OUT ENTIRELY

[reef zodiac]

You cheated because you were dream?

[umbral whale]

yeah i managed to beat it with the 9 min thing on with like 4 min to spare

[polar root]

Feelsbadman

[reef zodiac]

5 sack moment

[umbral whale]

i always do all the styx rooms. especially if i have Side Hustle

[reef zodiac]

Ewww

[spare tiger]

I could have had my first sub 20 run but nope, Styx had to be Styx and slow me down completely

The worst part is i slaughtered hades in under a minute too

I got done so dirty

[umbral whale]

my fastest time at 0 heat is actually 21:01 and i cleared all 5 rooms of Styx

with Zag's Rail

[dusky wedge]

If you had a 4 sack, ehh, might as well do the last room as well lol

[reef zodiac]

Don’t worry, sub 20 will not be a challenge when you get a little more experience. I run exclusively TD3 and it’s totally not even an issue for me anymore

I haven’t taken more than 20 minutes on a run in more than 150 runs

[dusky wedge]

Extra health or pom is always nice

[spare tiger]

I definitely could have had sub 20 if I didn't get BS'd at Styx

[reef zodiac]

5-sack will do that

[spare tiger]

But i see your point

[umbral whale]

idve probly beaten hades and gotten under 20 but all 3 add phases he did he summoned the brimstone that shields you and just... ugh -_-

[spare tiger]

At least they're an easy kill

I always prioritize his minions

[umbral whale]

yeah see the issue was i had seeking so they kept targeting him

[dusky wedge]

With certain boons and some lucky hammers, rail is arguably the fastest weapon in general

[reef zodiac]

I definitely don’t mean to be a jerk but “sub 20” always makes me laugh a little

[umbral whale]

im not much of a speedrunner

[spare tiger]

Honestly if i had to guesstimate

I could have possibly gone under 18 minutes

[umbral whale]

i probly will be later on, but having a timer that is "youll fail if this reaches 0" gives me way too much anxiety lol

[spare tiger]

I just didn't want to overshoot

[reef zodiac]

Me neither lol my PB is barely sub 10 and I have an absurd amount of time in this game

[dusky wedge]

Oh, not talking about speed running, just TD3 runs in general

[spare tiger]

You don't actually die

[short glen]

It only drains hp

[spare tiger]

But you DO lose health rapidly

[reef zodiac]

Yeah exactly ^

[spare tiger]

So chances are you WILL die

[dusky wedge]

More speed means more relaxed TD3 runs

[umbral whale]

that just sounds like dying with extra steps lol

[spare tiger]

You want dying with extra steps?

[short glen]

It's dying unless you're in Hades fight

[reef zodiac]

It takes a bit to get used to but it becomes almost free to do TD3 with a bit of practice

[spare tiger]

I'm officially on a suicide run

[umbral whale]

im trying to get through these higher heat runs but im slowly running out of feasible "easy" runs lol

[spare tiger]

Heat 63

...died at the doorstep of the house lmao

[umbral whale]

im currently on like heat 8 for the Rail.

[reef zodiac]

My heat PB is 36 as of a few hours ago actually

[keen raven]

Where do I buy a satyr sack plushie

[short glen]

Irl hell

[umbral whale]

and i could try the timer, but im scared to try and do the easier run which is "more health, more enemies" with the timer cuz i only had like 3 mins to spare without the extra enemies and health lol

[spare tiger]

Finally freed Achilles too

Took way longer than it should have

[umbral whale]

id like to ask the devs whats exactly in the satyr sack

cuz its apparently edible... but what exactlys in it...

[short glen]

Vermin, apparently

[spare tiger]

It's rats, game actually says so

[reef zodiac]

Don’t add extra enemies or extra health. Those are two of the worst pacts actually, believe it or not

[umbral whale]

oh. thats not as disgusting or fun as i thought

[short glen]

I've found jury summons pretty handleable on Arthur

[spare tiger]

In one of the joking "Cerberus Vanquished" headers it sometimes says it's full of rats

[umbral whale]

i mean just extra enemies and extra health is relatively easy with how i play. extra health just makes Hades' fight a bit longer

[short glen]

Then again, Arthur big hit

[polar root]

Big number=good

[spare tiger]

Excalibur is ludicrous

[reef zodiac]

Aaaahhhh no that’s one of the worst weapons for that imo. Don’t do that unless you’re at low heat

[umbral whale]

i wanna unlock Arthur cuz thats like... the only sword that seems to have an interesting perk for me

[reef zodiac]

What’s with new players and acting like Arthur is broken? I never understood that

[short glen]

... probably shouldn't mention running Arthur with jury summons and dc2

[spare tiger]

Sink some blood into it and talk to Nyx

[reef zodiac]

Arthur is mediocre at best

[dusky wedge]

TD, EM2, Approval Process, Damage Control 1 are easy enough pacts that “you won’t even realize it’s there” kind of easy

[short glen]

It hit... Really hard... With really little effort

[umbral whale]

but i only JUST unlocked Guan Yu and right before i unlocked that i did a few suicide runs to finally get Zeus to give me Luci

[keen raven]

Idk what the special attack on Excalibur does exactly?
Makes some nice looking pattern on the floor and plays church music

[umbral whale]

me is dumdum. ik what TD is now but whats EM

[spare tiger]

Max out Aspect of Zag and kill Skelly with it and you get the relationship advancement

[dusky wedge]

Reduced damage taken, slows enemy projectiles

[reef zodiac]

Yes. I know. It’s also kinda terrible though, so I don’t really understand the hype about it

[short glen]

The hype is that it's extremely good for those of us who aren't gods at the game

[spare tiger]

And you'll be able to talk with Nyx to unlock the hidden aspect becaus you'll have spent MORE than enough bloid

[short glen]

Low skill floor

[dusky wedge]

Extreme Measures, bigger, badder biome bosses

[umbral whale]

i was under the impression it gave damage reduction lol

[umbral whale]

oh god

[reef zodiac]

Low skill ceiling too lol

[umbral whale]

nooo

my first time with that hydra he wiped out two of my DDs

[reef zodiac]

Actually a very worthwhile pact. But avoid EM3 until you’re ready for it to get a good deal harder, and avoid EM4 unless you want to die

[short glen]

Excalibur special: slows enemies, slows projectiles, adds damage resist, and disables traps

[spare tiger]

Didn't know that last part

[short glen]

Extreme measures hydra is actually easier tbh

[umbral whale]

i cant imagine what bullcrap the champions and hades will have with that stuff

[polar root]

EM3 is, serviceable.

EM4 is

[reef zodiac]

Mmm no it’s definitely not easier but it’s faster for sure

[polar root]

......Bad

[short glen]

Probably because the game doesn't mention it as far as I remember

[dusky wedge]

Right, I always forgot Excalibur disables traps too

[spare tiger]

He has that name for a damn good reason

[reef zodiac]

I take it a 30+ heat, but it makes champions fight harder than Hades fight by a good deal

[umbral whale]

when i did it 4 heads managed to slam me just as i finished dashing and dealt like 90 damage and took my first DD, then i panicked and yeah

[polar root]

You are not wrong my friend

[umbral whale]

what exactly does EM3 and 4 do?

[polar root]

You can go try it for yourself

[spare tiger]

Turbo Charged Champions and ||REDACTED||

[short glen]

New players tend to be closer to the floor than the ceiling, so get much better results than they do with weapons with higher skill floors and ceilings

[dusky wedge]

Theseus got a tanky Ferrari

[polar root]

EXACTLY

[dusky wedge]

Asterius drank Red Bull lmao

[polar root]

he got his bootiful new car

[short glen]

Theseus gets easier to handle in em ngl

[spare tiger]

Ferrari with NUKES

[polar root]

Apparently so

[spare tiger]

I disagree personally

That chariot just shreds

[short glen]

Or at least easier to ignore until you've deleted asterius

[umbral whale]

would you say the rail is an easy weapon?

[polar root]

yes

probably

leaving hestia

[reef zodiac]

I still think it’s funny that there’s always at least 2 people a day who come in here and say “Arthur is the best aspect in the game by a lot that aspect is BROKEN” which is just super incorrect lmao

[spare tiger]

Easier than Bow, harder than melee

[umbral whale]

ok that makes me feel better lol

[reef zodiac]

Nah not really imo

[dusky wedge]

Hestia still requires you to learn it’s pattern

[umbral whale]

honestly its the opposite for me. melee weapons are harder for me

[polar root]

Hestia has the highest APM in the game for now

[short glen]

From the perspective of a new player, it IS one of the best weapons

[dusky wedge]

The other two non-hidden rails, pretty easy to use

[umbral whale]

i wanna main the hestia aspect

[polar root]

gogogo

[spare tiger]

Is it bad if i like Rama the most out of the bow aspects?

[dusky wedge]

Hestia bestia

[polar root]

Truly

[spare tiger]

Normal choronacht just hurts my thumbs and i get nothing done

[polar root]

XD

[umbral whale]

i also wanna try out the chiron bow that seems fun as f||ric||k

[polar root]

Rama gud, staph it

[reef zodiac]

But it’s so insanely slow I just don’t get it. Even when I sucked at the game I still thought it was way too slow and I would always get hit way too much while using it. The true scrub aspect is Chiron. That thing absolutely carried me

[short glen]

Only bow I can tolerate, if that helps

[spare tiger]

Yeah Rama is actually fun to use

[reef zodiac]

Rama is INSANELY good

[dusky wedge]

All the bows are fun imo, pretty varying playstyle and gimmicks

[reef zodiac]

I love Rama

[spare tiger]

Doesn't hurt my thumbs, does BEEFY numbers, absolutely decimates with point blank daedlus

[umbral whale]

my playstyle is usually dash through enemies with the blade dash and fire doom shots as i do it. which honestly as im saying it now i probly would do really well with a shotgun build

[dusky wedge]

Hera is the only aspect that I enjoyed using Dio cast on

[spare tiger]

I've had a run where i got Point Blank and Triple Shot and NOTHING stood in my way

[dusky wedge]

Fast Dio cast

[reef zodiac]

Ewww point blank shot is terrible like really bad. But twin shot or triple shot is pretty absurd

[spare tiger]

...until i got a bit too reckless agaisnt Hades and kinda died

[spare tiger]

Combo the two, see how much gives you trouble

Oddly on switch, twin shot only gives point blank to one shot

[short glen]

What does zag bow do?

[reef zodiac]

No no Hera is good for crush shot. Dio cast is way way better on Beo (although Beo is still better with Poseidon or Aphro). Crush shot Hera is so fun

[umbral whale]

i cant remember the name of the boon but my gf actually got her first clear with some crazy af boon that, if you have no DDs your heath regens like 5 health per second. she literally couldnt die.

[spare tiger]

Crit Chance

[umbral whale]

crit

[spare tiger]

But you need to sink blood in

Zag aspects seem to really suck for some reason

[reef zodiac]

No, point blank is still awful

[short glen]

Seems like Chiron might just be better

[umbral whale]

not the rail o.o

[reef zodiac]

Zag rail is so so boring without spread fire

[polar root]

exactly

[umbral whale]

zag rail is my fave lol at least til i see de hestia sniping wae

[spare tiger]

Zag everything is boring

[reef zodiac]

I can barely tolerate Zag rail I actually feel like I’m gonna fall asleep

[polar root]

nonono, boom stick zag spear is fun as well

[short glen]

Seems like without chiron you're unlikely to ever actually hit more than one special arrow if you aren't point blank

[reef zodiac]

Zag bow and Zag fists are actually good though. You need divine strike for the fists though

[umbral whale]

i just like not having to reload as often and dashing literally constantly (which is probly why imma hate running luci)

i also found out why my trick works so well cuz if you reload dash you animation cancel

[spare tiger]

If i want crits on my bow I'll just ask Artemis

[reef zodiac]

Reloading is actually not nearly as much of an issue as you get better at the rail, but it takes a lot of skill

[short glen]

Consider: crit stacking

[reef zodiac]

Dash strikes make you shoot twice so they’re actually optimal from DPS on rail

[spare tiger]

If there was an aspect that needs nerfs though

I'd have to say Nemesis

[reef zodiac]

HUH??

Why

Nemesis is so far from broken

[spare tiger]

You get crits

And GOOD crits

[reef zodiac]

It’s barely even good

[short glen]

I vote nerf beo

[spare tiger]

For doing what you should be doing anyway

[reef zodiac]

Nemesis is nowhere near broken in any context

That’s outlandish

[spare tiger]

30% crit chance on Attack just for pressing X

[short glen]

Kbm master race

[spare tiger]

No downsides

[dusky wedge]

Nemesis dash strikes is pretty awkward tho

[umbral whale]

i vote dont nerf anything

its a single player game lol