The more you know huh
#h1-discussion
brave portal
weary jackal
I forget, what is Apollo god of?
brave portal
Arts and something else
rapid forum
polo... or something
brave portal
Arts, light and sun
weary jackal
Apollo is the god of the sun, yet Helios is the sun
Is this like how Hades is the god of the dead but Thanatos is death incarnate
brave portal
So helios is the sun and apollo is the god of the sun
brave portal
Apollo is the god of the sun, yet Helios is the sun
Is this like how Hades is th...
Exactly
short glen
Helios and Apollo kinda got turned into the same god after awhile
Same with Artemis and Selene
weary jackal
Hades being the god of underground gemstones is somewhat entertaining to me
I’m imagining an AU where he’s a Jeweler
brave portal
Tho helios is son of hiperon and apollo is a son of zeus
short glen
Selene didn't really go nearly so well, because her main myth is largely incompatible with Artemis doing the whole not having sex thing
Selene's main myth involved her having like 12 kids
...I think the father was in like a magic coma or something
brave portal
Yeah
short glen
Which is.... troubling....
weary jackal
How many kids does Nyx have?
Thanatos, Eris, Nemesis, Hypnos, Definitely a few more
short glen
How many kids does Nyx have?
Thanatos, Eris, Nemesis, Hypnos, Definitely a few m...
Like 30 billion or something
brave portal
Who had more kids doe zeus or nyx
flint fulcrum
HaDEEZ NUTS goteeeeeeeeeee
weary jackal
Apparently Nyx is sister to Erebus, Gaea, and Tartarus, which are all places
I wish we got to meet their personifications
brave portal
Wait hol up, apollo is also the god of healing?
weary jackal
Iirc there’s also a line about Apollo teaching Orpheus how to play the lyre
manic bobcat
Who had more kids doe zeus or nyx
do you how many times zeus sneaked away to impregnate a random maiden or princess?
brave portal
This dude has an entire codex only for his titles
weary jackal
do you how many times zeus sneaked away to impregnate a random maiden or princes...
This is why Hera left us
brave portal
Not like poseidon was better either
manic bobcat
Hera is Zeus sister. They like to keep it in the family.
manic bobcat
Not like poseidon was better either
it would be awkward for Dusa and Poseidon to met
👀
brave portal
Well, that thing between gods was okay because they were pure and yada yada
weary jackal
That’s how every god came about
Persephone is Hades’ ‘foster-‘niece.
brave portal
Wasn't okay for mortals in greece tho
Oh my god apollo is also the god of beauty
Why is my man so overpowered
weary jackal
A list of what Apollo isn’t god of would be shorter
cunning moon
r the talents unlocked in a random order?
brave portal
He's also a literal bow and arrow sometimes too
wise oasis
I'm pretty sure they're twins
weary jackal
She fan-girls about Achilles too
unborn remnant
If Apollo were in Hades, I think it would be really cool if he could apply a blind effect
light-based attacks
brave portal
Apollo gives you incendiary attacks, boom new god
weary jackal
What would they do?
unborn remnant
Damage over time already exists with Dionysus
weary jackal
Exactly
unborn remnant
I mean having 2 dot effects isnt bad
weary jackal
Make them stack >:]
unborn remnant
but having attacks that could maybe decrease enemy accuracy would be cool
brave portal
Apollo is also god of truth, music, medicine and poetry
My man be a beast
Apollo might as well be the new king of the gods cause goddayum
weary jackal
but having attacks that could maybe decrease enemy accuracy would be cool
It could be really detrimental since you move a lot
weary jackal
Apollo might as well be the new king of the gods cause goddayum
Godsdayum
wise oasis
Arti is also ace in the myths
unborn remnant
It could be really detrimental since you move a lot
wdym
weary jackal
Apollo is also the god of profecy
What about the Fates
Who are also Nyx’s daughters so that’s another 3
brave portal
They decide the fates, but apollo is the god of profecies
unborn remnant
detrimental as a good thing?
brave portal
The fates make things happen and apollo profets them or something
Like the fates knit destiny but apollo is a profet of the destiny made by the fates i guess
This makes my fish brain hurt
weary jackal
detrimental as a good thing?
Lower accuracy = more erratic attack patterns = harder to predict
unborn remnant
i see what you mean
my idea was having attacks with a chance to randomly miss
no change in attack cycles
weary jackal
Oh so like Hermes’s dodge chance?
brave portal
Did ya'll ever hear about that time that zeus went to egypt and had a kid there?
weary jackal
Nope but I believe it
brave portal
Apparently the greek didn't point out other mythologies as false
They just gave it a greek origin
And actually, there is a zeus in the egyptian myths
This is a damn rabbit hole
weary jackal
I mean, Greek and Roman gods are basically the same with different names
brave portal
Yeah but that's bc the romans anexed greece
This time greek travelers just went to egypt and learned their culture and they said "oh so these must be sons of zeus too, cool"
weary jackal
I swear there’s a place called Ares on Mars
brave portal
What did we learn today? Nothing useful really, i just think myths are neat
weary jackal
I mean, I learned stuff while doing an obligatory shield run for 10 Titan blood
brave portal
Dusa is technically zagreus' cousin
weary jackal
H o W
brave portal
She's daughter of Poseidon
weary jackal
Oh right
Isn’t Asterius also technically Zagreus’ cousin and Dusa’s brother?
brave portal
Poseidon was going wacky with one of athena's apprentices so she got angry and turned his child into a gorgon
And then Perseus came and yada yada
deep zenith
Dusa
brave portal
So hades be exploiting his own niece as a housemaid
deep zenith
dusa my beloved
brave portal
There we go fixed
deep zenith
There we go fixed
weary jackal
So hades be exploiting his own niece as a housemaid
Better than what Zeus normally does
deep zenith
dusa
brave portal
deep zenith
fiery bramble
Just saw Green Knight, now I want a version of Hades for each era of myth
short glen
She's clearly the favorite
He knows she's destined to overthrow him. According to a youtube comment I found
This is like the third prophecy about a child of Zeus destined to overthrow him or otherwise take his place as king of the gods, so I didn't look into it too hard
short glen
I know that is an actual myth, but logically I find it hard to believe that would be the actual outcome if they all fought in a scenario where they didn't need to justify why Zeus is in charge
brave portal
Just another day in this sitcom called life at Olympus
deep zenith
🥜
weary jackal
Because half of it would be Zeus doing Zeus things
brave portal
I want to watch Zeus doing Zeus things
short glen
There would be way too little consent in that sitcom
weary jackal
Every episode would have a B-plot of Zeus just romancing a random mortal
brave portal
It do be like that sometimes
deep zenith
Unfunny laser beam
brave portal
Anyway, i have to beat the game 10 times to get the true ending right?
brave portal
Well, been 2 in, only 8 left
weary jackal
What run are you on?
deep zenith
Is getting the secret fist weapon worth it
brave portal
Uhhhhh 50 something something
weary jackal
No idea why I read that as secret fish weapon
weary jackal
Dyslexia solved
brave portal
No idea why I read that as secret fish weapon
The true aspect of poseidon
deep zenith
Dyslexia solved
yes
deep zenith
The true aspect of poseidon
Using that rn
weary jackal
Is getting the secret fist weapon worth it
Haven’t gotten it yet tbh
short glen
Is getting the secret fist weapon worth it
yes
deep zenith
Haven’t gotten it yet tbh
short glen
A lot of people say it's bad, but they're cowards
deep zenith
I think it’s bear claws or something
weary jackal
I have the secret sword, spear and bow, but not the shield, fists, or gun
deep zenith
A lot of people say it's bad, but they're cowards
Fists are cool 
mint coral
is a fun aspect but if you are taking it into high heat/speedruns it falls appart
if you dont care about that go crazy 
deep zenith
is a fun aspect but if you are taking it into high heat/speedruns it falls appar...
Time to prove an individual wrong
short glen
Don't most aspects fall apart at high heat/speedruns? That's why there's like 3 that people use in them
weary jackal
Oh cool surface fish
Dad, move, I need to fish
deep zenith
father and son fishing trip bonding
mint coral
"this fish is taunting me" - hades
weary jackal
Why that isn’t a meme evades me
weary jackal
Theseus and Asterius?
weary jackal
I don’t remember when T&A start doing that shockwave move
mint coral
after the dialogue sequence of the break up and reunited again (which is just by beating them)
weary jackal
Oh so they had an arc and got stronger
mint coral
yeah
mint coral
tl;dr "my king, isnt him a little strong?" "HOW COULD YOU!"
weary jackal
Bouncing a shield off a rock until my dad dies to lightning is a strange way to warm up for fishing
Aayyyyyy sturgeon #3
Then I die to an avalanche
Ok narrator man
mint coral
better than dying to a bear
weary jackal
Free 11 Blood
brave portal
when you say T&A my mind starts thinking things it shouldn't be
weary jackal
When I first said it a few hours ago that was my first thought
mint coral
nothing like entering erebus and seeing an armored archer 
at least bp was kind and not speedy on top of that
brave portal
charon has to be the biggest undead pimp i've seen
my dude by drippin
nyx's kids be like Edgelord, Sleepy roll, P I M P
weary jackal
Tsundere, slep, pimp, edge, edgier, and the three most powerful entities in myth
rapid forum
charon has to be the biggest undead pimp i've seen
I mean, every single dead person give him a coin
brave portal
capitalism at it's finest, charge even the dead
weary jackal
Just started a heat 19 run and Arti gives me an epic flourish for my Chiron
This is gonna go well, I can feel it
rapid forum
capitalism at it's finest, charge even the dead
rowing a boat is a hard job, ok?
weary jackal
That bit when Theseus stands still and summons a god while lowering his guard completely is really funny, because I can just summon Thanatos to vanish his entire health bar
weary jackal
Call?
fiery bramble
There it is
weary jackal
Just got Heroic Greater Evasion
Having a 1/4 chance of dodging while also using Pierced Butterfly is amazing
mint coral
isnt greater evasion after being hit?
weary jackal
Nope, it’s just a 10-25% to not take damage
Which also stays within the parameters of PB
mint coral
huh, on my codex it still says that you need to be hit first
ig im missing an update on switch
weary jackal
“Whenever you are hit, you have a chance to dodge automatically”
It’s worded strangely, but dodging doesn’t deactivate the butterfly
mint coral
defeated by not learning to read, nice
still ty, i always interpreted it as needed to be hit then after that you could dodge 
weary jackal
Just got relentless volley too
I pray Asterius is kind
short glen
He's very kind. Just not to you
short glen
I know, right?
junior terrace
I remember someone mentioning the gun had a good aspect for only 1 titan blood
Would anyone know which that would be?
weary jackal
Eris
vast zealot
https://imgur.com/a/a1fpL75 does the icon on this keepsake mean something?
weary jackal
It means you’ve forged a bond with Charon
short glen
It means you maxed friendship with Charon
weary jackal
short glen
There's new text on the info panel but nothing gameplay changes
weary jackal
Imagine if maxing Than’s friendship made the butterfly give you +3% per room
Or hell, even 2.5%
lapis snow
So ive given sisyphus the required amount of nectar what do i do now?
west girder
Love this game
vast zealot
I’m just amazed at how much better I’ve gotten, took around 45 runs to finally escape, then a few more to get to 2, and now I’m on a 7 win streak
This runs not looking great though 😕
short glen
Imagine if maxing Than’s friendship made the butterfly give you +3% per room
Imagine if Than and Hermes' keepsakes worked on all the smol rooms in styx
weary jackal
Imagine if Than and Hermes' keepsakes worked on all the smol rooms in styx
😔
If only
H19 Hades without dying once
Pog
fiery bramble
Idk what pog means but that's very much pog
weary jackal
Checked the sundial, zag said it was almost 8 o’clock
I got hopeful, before sharply realising he meant it’s still 7:48
obsidian schooner
I have 50+ escape attempts and have never seen touch of Styx, skeletal lure or night spindle from Charon shops
weary jackal
Kiss of Styx requires you to have lost one death defiance
Skeletal lure requires the rod of fishing
Night spindle requires you have a companion
onyx leaf
Probably a dumb question but how exactly does the shackle work if 95% of the time you start a run with a boon?
short glen
You pick a boon that's either a dash, call, or non core boon
onyx leaf
So some of them don't count?
short glen
Indeed
Basically, if you pick an attack boon, you lose the shackles bonus on attack, but keep it on special and cast
weary jackal
It’s when the specific ability doesn’t have an effect, not when you don’t have any boons
onyx leaf
Thanks u two
short glen
Fun fact: The game is coded to apply the damage buff to dash and call, but you can't do damage with those without boons so it never happens
fiery bramble
That is a fun fact
scarlet mason
does anyone have any tips for fighting Theseus? i can always get the minotaur easily, but i usually die around when Theseus's second stage kicks in
fiery bramble
As soon as his second stage starts, it's good to use your call assuming it's a damaging one. After that, he was easiest to my when I waited for him to throw the spear then turn his back, and attack him then
scarlet mason
he just blocks so much damage
inner field
Is there a video I can find that has a TLDR version of everything there is to do in Hades?
I'm looking for when and where
I played the initial 60hrs and beat Hades and saw mom but after that returning to the lobby was boring and I didn't want more of the same gameplay
weary jackal
does anyone have any tips for fighting Theseus? i can always get the minotaur ea...
Don’t die
inner field
So I deleted Hades
weary jackal
I played the initial 60hrs and beat Hades and saw mom but after that returning t...
Did you get to the credits
inner field
Maybe idk was a long time ago
weary jackal
How many times did you beat Hades
inner field
I beat Dad and walk to the farm
weary jackal
Once?
weary jackal
Then you have done nowhere near everything
inner field
I deleted without any online saves
Well my question is what actually changes in the gameplay?
My reception after beating Hades was normal 'do more runs' and I was just bored of the idea of more runs
So I deleted
I expected the game to become a radical shift and be more jrpg or something
weary jackal
…
limber mist
if I quit out of a run will it save me at that place or does it send me back upon start up?
inner field
Anything .... Like replaced Hades at the desk or something
weary jackal
if I quit out of a run will it save me at that place or does it send me back upo...
If you quit it saved you in that room, if you give up you go back home
inner field
... like is there even new biomes?
limber mist
@weary jackal awesome , so when I start back up, I'll be at the room I left off?
weary jackal
There’s Erebus, but that’s a challenge room
weary jackal
<@732962882509209712> awesome , so when I start back up, I'll be at the room I l...
Should be
scarlet mason
I expected the game to become a radical shift and be more jrpg or something
i would of just been fine with one or two new gods after the first win
narrow hemlock
I expected the game to become a radical shift and be more jrpg or something
not sure what gave you that expectation but that does not happen
obsidian schooner
Kiss of Styx requires you to have lost one death defiance
Skeletal lure require...
I’ve never had a companion but I usually have death defiance and have had rod forever
granite ether
i would of just been fine with one or two new gods after the first win
I mean, you get Demeter after reaching the surface for the first time
weary jackal
Lure is sorta rare so yeah
inner field
i would of just been fine with one or two new gods after the first win
No I mean like I don't play Dead cells unless they have new dlc so I can check out new biomes
scarlet mason
I mean, you get Demeter after reaching the surface for the first time
theres kinda a gap between first hades fight and first win though
i don't think many people won on first try
inner field
But I don't grind it to completion, or get boss cells I don't enjoy higher difficulty
I'm asking what do people miss out on if they quit Hades early?
I feel like maybe I quit Hades early
scarlet mason
I'm asking what do people miss out on if they quit Hades early?
there are some pretty good quests
granite ether
a metric tonne of story but gameplay wise not all that much
inner field
What do you mean by this, how is it structured?
fiery bramble
Dialogue
New dialogue for a looong time after beating the main story, new opportunities to get more powerful
scarlet mason
you could of unlocked persephone's boons after you meet her
granite ether
from what I'm reading you're looking for something that's gameplay focused and Hades is very much narrative focused
fiery bramble
Tons of awesome lore, well written characters and events, and increasingly complex gameplay via Heat
scarlet mason
i feel like its a better game play experience if the game is more difficult to you
then you get more playtime and gameplay progression
and you can get the story beats too
inner field
Tons of awesome lore, well written characters and events, and increasingly compl...
It took me 65hrs to get bored of the routine
, Having beat Hades like 3x
So I got the story beats, I loves everything about the game but the combat was tiresome
I like roguelites so I've had my fill
But I was hoping that I could expect something a bit more, in terms of like I get to restructure Hades or save characters or something... Idk
I was guessing since part of the game had locked room and a dream sequence and let me decorate the lobby
There might be alot more to the game then the typical brawler
fiery bramble
Dude it sounds like you got what you can get out of the game lol, nothing wrong with that
60 hours isn't nothing
weary jackal
But I was hoping that I could expect something a bit more, in terms of like I ge...
I’m just gonna say
Most of this happens after you complete more runs
inner field
But like after how many more runs?
After 3 wins - I go back to the lobby and nothing new or unusual happens
inner field
That was an unsatisfying experience for me
I think the game has no direction
I imagine a lot of people probably drop this game after beating Hades for the first few times
weary jackal
I-
That’s definitely an opinion
brave portal
wym nothing new or unusual happens
after my 5th respawn i discovered a lot of new things
inner field
Nothing significant happened after returning to the lobby and it just feels like a waste to be invested with the promise that something will happen
weary jackal
Also are you certain on that 65 hours number
south lagoon
i think at that point in the game the significance happens in returning to the surface to speak with persephone, not upon returning to the lobby after death
weary jackal
Because if you’ve only beaten Hades 3 times after almost 3 days total playtime
south lagoon
something significant is happening each time you speak with her, up until she stops being there
her conversations are a meaningful part of the game's story and give the next few runs purpose after you defeat Hades for the first time
inner field
Nevermind I'm probably not gonna follow up with it
south lagoon
ok
inner field
Idk if I'm getting my message across
junior terrace
Got my 2nd clear and it was with the gun
inner field
I love the game, binged it in a week
south lagoon
congrats rosé
junior terrace
Ty ty
I’ve been trying with the sword but man
Maybe just haven’t gotten lucky with the build but still
inner field
Nevermind I'm probably not gonna follow up with it
Because I would have to play from a fresh restart
weary jackal
Melee definitely isn’t for me either
I’m on heat 20 with the bow, but i suck with the sword and spear
rapid forum
Bow gang
junior terrace
Fr it’s just easier for me
south lagoon
I imagine a lot of people probably drop this game after beating Hades for the fi...
^ since you updated this for "after the first few times," for the record I think that's an entirely appropriate place to stop for most people - most people don't replay over and over esp for a game that's largely narrative-driven like Hades
junior terrace
Ah
brave portal
i'm not a fan of ranged weapons in hades tbh
junior terrace
Also screw the witches they are so annoying
weary jackal
Bow supremacy
This post was made by Aspect of Chiron gang
brave portal
too much devil may cry got me used to dashing and slashing like a methhead
south lagoon
getting up to the final boss and then defeating the final boss several times and then stopping is super reasonable
rapid forum
But but, you also dash strike on ranged weapons
brave portal
ain't the same
rapid forum
Fair enough
Anyway, after yest of not playing hades. I got myself a poseidon chiron run.
After getting the special
...I didn't get any boons from poseidon
fiery bramble
Nice
south lagoon
oop
rapid forum
At least I got concentrated volley from anvil
short glen
You'd think one of these days I'd remember that closing Hades with the task manager doesn't work
weary jackal
Holy hells
I beat Hades on 20 heat with only 13 health left and no dd
rapid forum
nice
south lagoon
nice
short glen
I keep forgetting so I go "Well what happens if I do that?". It doesn't go well
south lagoon
what happens
short glen
it sends you back to the house
south lagoon
oh right lmao
rapid forum
I beat hades on 32 heat with 40 ish health once and no DD once. My heart was going off the rails.
short glen
I've done this to myself twice. For some reason it didn't do that the first time I tried it
weary jackal
My hands are so tight rn
This happened after I beat a certain Sekiro boss too, but to a much greater extent
short glen
I've done this to myself twice. For some reason it didn't do that the first time...
That's 3 times total, two times it deleted the run
IDK why it didn't do that the first time
rapid forum
when you pick a god boon, you can't quit from the pause menu. If you close the game, you'll be back to the house.
I've done it on my switch
short glen
This also applies to anvils btw.
short glen
yeah that's what I was told, but it didn't let me
rapid forum
hmmmmmm
south lagoon
it should
rapid forum
weird
weary jackal
Hells yes and I managed to do Dusa’s thing too
short glen
Unless it was the pom... That was probably it, I forgot I grabbed that
rapid forum
oh yea
must be the pom
cause I never pick anything after the anvil if I wanted to quit
short glen
I picked the pom before the anvil
junior terrace
Any other aspects good with 1 titan blood lol
short glen
I wish I had remembered the pom before I went to grab the anvil, because I was like "I've been told I can just quit if it's cursed slash" but no
hearty sierra
FO5 is a surprisingly good way to improve one's speed
short glen
FO5 is a surprisingly good way to improve one's speed
Does it go to 5?
hearty sierra
Not notmally, no
junior terrace
Oh also what do I do with ambrosia
hearty sierra
Oh also what do I do with ambrosia
Gift it like nectar or turn it into blood
short glen
You also upgrade companions with it
hearty sierra
Yeah I modded in FO5 (I think it goes to 50 or something)
hearty sierra
FO50 just overflows the the game and makes enemies stand still
south lagoon
How do I gift it
the same way as nectar, just further along
hearty sierra
Maybe I’m just not far enough
Yep, you have to fill the heart gauge with the character before you can gift ambro
junior terrace
Is it bad to turn it into blood
hearty sierra
So keep gifting nectar!
onyx leaf
So another question about the shackle, do dash-strike boons affect it? I'd assume they would count as an attack boon but just making sure
hearty sierra
Is it bad to turn it into blood
Not really
Just go ahead and do what you like
If you're really short on nectar, you could always farm the minor prophecies
junior terrace
Cool! Any weapons/aspects I should use next
Trying to clear with every weapon
Got bow/gun down so far
onyx leaf
Try the shield
hearty sierra
Poseidon on sword, beo on shield, Achilles on spear, Zag on fists
Is what I would recommend for each weapon's aspect
Arthur on sword, chaos shield, guan yu spear and Demeter fists are also nice alternatives
short glen
I recommend gilgamesh
weary jackal
Demeter > Zagreus
hearty sierra
Arthur, beo and guan yu are all hidden ones
If you want a guide to unlocking them, check the pins in #h1-story-discussion
Or keep playing the game! You'll get them eventually
hearty sierra
Demeter > Zagreus
Debatable but you do you
weary jackal
I don’t use fists often anyway, I just like the massive damage number
dusky wedge
Gilgamesh, using it to just dash striking, still works imo
hearty sierra
I've already established that I suck at the game so take most everything I say with a grain of salt
short glen
Gilgamesh, using it to just dash striking, still works imo
Pick up the near miss mirror and this is great fun
short glen
So counter-intuitive
Yeah, I feel like it should be "takes 50% more damage, deals 25% more" instead
junior terrace
Hold up so
Zag fists
Are they good with 1 upgrade or
Does it get much better the higher u upgrade
onyx leaf
It's definitely better maxed out but it's not that big of a deal tbh
hearty sierra
The only saving grace of zag fists is the dodge chance lmao
dusky wedge
The dodge chance might not be that great tbh
short glen
The only saving grace of zag fists is the dodge chance lmao
Isn't that just all it does?
hearty sierra
If everything were at base level I'd say magnet fists were better
hearty sierra
Isn't that just all it does?
Exactly
onyx leaf
You shouldn't be relying on dodge rng to win you runs anyway
hearty sierra
So you have to max it to get the full use
hearty sierra
I rely on dodge RNG to tank hits lmao
weary jackal
Just don’t get hit smh
short glen
Stack dodge RNG, hit that 100% dodge chance, win the game
hearty sierra
Yeah if you don't have the resources to max a weapon then demeter would be a better choice
hearty sierra
Stack dodge RNG, hit that 100% dodge chance, win the game
Kekw easier said than done
modern garnet
Zag fists are way cheaper though
Goes to lvl 5
And you can get level 4 zag fist with 4 blood
junior terrace
Oh so not far off
hearty sierra
Yeah level 5 provides 15% chance to dodge
hearty sierra
Use it with plume and try to speedrun
I average 25% dodge with the plume
So total of 40 and that's not counting hermes buffs
junior terrace
Doesn’t Hermes have that dodge buff too
hearty sierra
Yeah, exactly
junior terrace
Oh damn
dusky wedge
With plume and common Hermes dodge boon, you can get 50% dodge chance easy
modern garnet
Hermes has 2 dodge buffs
hearty sierra
Also plume gives you chance for Rush Delivery ASAP
junior terrace
🙀
hearty sierra
Which is a really nice boon
plus you can take a Merciful End build and not worry about getting hit
bright comet
broskis
dusky wedge
50% is already a lot if you ask me, but not taking damage isn’t the way you win the game, it just insures you lose less
hearty sierra
Merciful end builds are usually risky in terms of melee
dusky wedge
You need damage to win the game, basically
bright comet
i thought its a dead em4 fo2 run but i made it to the end of third phase!
def doable just need to get luckier
hearty sierra
i thought its a dead em4 fo2 run but i made it to the end of third phase!
def do...
You can do it!
damnit witches suck with FO5
weary jackal
End of Tartarus Charon or Daedalus hammer…
How cruel the fates can be.
bright comet
i had everything to get the double boon but never got it lol
weary jackal
*damnit* witches suck with FO5
Forced Overtime 5???
That’s what, +100% speed??
dusky wedge
Also plume gives you chance for Rush Delivery ASAP
I always thought about this, don’t you still need movement speed buffs for Rush Delivery to work? And to do that outside of boon, you have to get the move speed bonus from the shop?
hearty sierra
Forced Overtime 5???
That’s what, +100% speed??
Yep
hearty sierra
I always thought about this, don’t you still need movement speed buffs for Rush ...
Plums also gives speed, if you don't remember
bright comet
just get move speed from bouldy, easy
hearty sierra
And there's several hermes buffs that provide speed
bright comet
any mods that add new gods?
hearty sierra
Playing with FO5 makes vanilla FO2 easy or so I thought
hearty sierra
any mods that add new gods?
If they could, they would
But as far as I can tell, no
weary jackal
+26% damage coming out of Tartarus
Pierced butterfly is funny
hearty sierra
Yeah plume provides both dodge and speed
short glen
If they could, they would
I've actually been told it's shockingly easy whenever I ask about it
hearty sierra
It's a flat global damage increase so it's great
dusky wedge
I always have thought it only gives dodge chance lmao my bad
hearty sierra
I've actually been told it's shockingly easy whenever I ask about it
It's not hard to code a new god, but the art and the interactions?
Like, there's already a well-downloaded mod that gives the Rail a new hammer boon
granite ether
also balancing and designing new boons
hearty sierra
But making a new god with new effects? Duos? Interactions? ART??
The art is the main thing from my perspective
granite ether
there's also the "how do they fit into the already existing story" aspect as well
short glen
The art is the main thing from my perspective
Just use placeholders, and then never replace the placeholders
hearty sierra
Well, sure, you could probably do that yourself with some rudimentary coding knowledge and referencing the coding discord
Heck, you could probably write a small script right now that makes all your rail projectiles homing, never expire and go through walls (like the artemis call)
Thing is, being OP is fun for like all of 5 minutes
After that, it's just... Why bother
brave portal
Just use placeholders, and then never replace the placeholders
Yanderedev much?
weary jackal
Now that was a funny reference
It’s so funny having a Poseidon boon and just pinging Shield enemies in Elysium into walls repeatedly
You ever just forget to sleep and somehow it’s 5am
weary jackal
My health is less important than Hades
short glen
you can reach Hades IRL much faster if you ignore your health
weary jackal
Speedrun to meet Thanatos
fiery bramble
No y'all stay healthy, stay hydrated, and minimum of 7 hours sleep. Your runs will be better and Hades does not need more overpopulation down there
junior terrace
What typa boons am I going for here with zag fists
weary jackal
No y'all stay healthy, stay hydrated, and minimum of 7 hours sleep. Your runs wi...
But-
But I just beat Theseus and Asterius without getting hit
Also
My pierced butterfly is at 50% now
fiery bramble
Sick
rapid forum
What typa boons am I going for here with zag fists
zeus
brave portal
It's not that i don't care about my health (which i don't) it's just that i cannot sleep before 4 am
weary jackal
Zagreus pulls up to Styx with a taser
hearty sierra
Build it like Eris
rapid forum
zeus attack on fist
fiery bramble
It's not that i don't care about my health (which i don't) it's just that i cann...
That's a direct result of going to sleep at 4am lol, I know dude I was there for decades. Things can change, and you'll feel better for it. Not preaching! Just saying
junior terrace
I’ve got him on attack
hearty sierra
Zeus attack, buff the jolted, splitting bolt if possible
junior terrace
But what about special
hearty sierra
I'd go with poseidon tbh
Fallback for if you don't get splitting bolt
Also, poseidon dash and razor shoals, obviously
hearty sierra
Cast can be whichever you want
I prefer artemis for mirage shot potential
And call is whatever
Zeus call is nice
weary jackal
You ever just get songs you haven’t heard for years stuck in your head
hearty sierra
always
weary jackal
I’m just going through Styx and suddenly for some blasted reason Katy Perry’s firework starts playing in my head
Like
Brain
I don’t need this
I’m trying to concentrate
wise oasis
Don't get Poseidon dash on fists
It hurts you more than it helps, pushes enemies out of range
brave portal
You ever just get songs you haven’t heard for years stuck in your head
More than i would like to
Then i don't remember the name and i'm thinking about it all week
hearty sierra
Well done! Not getting hit is a good habit to have (obviously)
Sadly I don't have that habit and tend to facetank
proud zodiac
Hello hello
This game is hard :(
I just got my 5th ever clear... Out of like 55 runs
And I feel like I cheesed it
Is taking Cursed Slash a cheese strat
hearty sierra
Cheesing is a valid strategy, and no, cursed slash is not cheesing
short glen
it's like the opposite of cheese
proud zodiac
I mean I did that and then got HP up to 120
hearty sierra
Cursed slash makes the game harder on account of how much health it removes
If it works for you, more power to you!
proud zodiac
It removes 60%
hearty sierra
True cheese is using something like Zeus shield and turtling
short glen
Imagine if cursed slash could be used with Guan
hearty sierra
Something that doesn't require much finesse
proud zodiac
Or using lighting rod and turtling
Lightning rod is a cheese strat ngl if you can get it
hearty sierra
That too, yeah
proud zodiac
Get it and then take Zeus boons out the wazoo and just, let your enemies die
proud zodiac
Some of the Demeter cast builds are kinda nuts
Question: how does Demeter work with Naegling's Board
Does it AoE chill?
deep zenith
NGGHHNN
hearty sierra
I don't think so, with further consideration
deep zenith
FINALLY TOOK
hearty sierra
One sec
deep zenith
DUSA MY BELOVED
hearty sierra
I'll check for you
hearty sierra
Date lmao
hearty sierra
Got friend zoned yet?
deep zenith
Got friend zoned yet?
What
Wdym
Me and dusa
Is having a
Casual drink in the lounge
it’s going swell
weary jackal
I’m at 46 wins to 66 runs
I’d say this is a pretty good ratio
proud zodiac
I'm at... 5 wins to 55 runs
Though I'll say the majority of those died at Hades
So they were almost there
weary jackal
Most of my failed runs were suicide tbf
proud zodiac
And this is all without godmode
weary jackal
Same
proud zodiac
Maybe I'm just bad
fresh orchidBOT
Valorix#0195
deep zenith
Boy what the hell boy
weary jackal
Says you
proud zodiac
Shush
deep zenith
🤓
hearty sierra
Says the dusa simp
deep zenith
You have no authority to comment on my avatar, you simp
Mmm
weary jackal
My farthest chamber reached is still 69
Nice.
hearty sierra
Same
WHO THE HELL NEEDS GODMODE https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/860031536110764072/878861518614175754/unknown.png
proud zodiac
72 for me
deep zenith
Simping for dusa is only a short phase like the tall vampire chick from resident evil
weary jackal
WHO THE HELL NEEDS GODMODE https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/86003153611076...
I-
hearty sierra
Heals to full every room
proud zodiac
Wait how do you get them to stack that high
weary jackal
Mods
short glen
cheating
hearty sierra
It's what you do when you put in 200 hours across two save files
proud zodiac
Fite me
hearty sierra
Dark regeneration is better
Only if you suck and don't take extra heat
short glen
Not when cthonic heals 250 per room it's not
proud zodiac
What do you mean extra heat
hearty sierra
I don't claim darkness
proud zodiac
You can't it doesn't do anything
hearty sierra
I claim bounties
hearty sierra
The heal from regen is negligible
weary jackal
Heat gives you more blood/diamonds/ambrosia
Doing the same heat level twice replaces them with Darkness
proud zodiac
It doesn't say anything about more bounties
hearty sierra
The only time when you'd claim enough darkness to make dark regen actually provide some amount of health is when you win against a boss you've won before and you claim that darkness
hearty sierra
Otherwise vitality provides more healing
weary jackal
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proud zodiac
You can't get bounties on higher heat without completing the run though
You just get darkness
proud zodiac
Well if you're in my shoes
hearty sierra
Imagine not beating hades each run
proud zodiac
With 50 lost runs
hearty sierra
But yeah to each their own
proud zodiac
Most of which died at Hades
hearty sierra
But at this stage, cthonic vitality is simply better for me
proud zodiac
The sword is the only weapon I have higher than heat 2 and that's because I rode Cursed Slash to victory both times
hearty sierra
Also, I'm not exactly getting any resource rooms here so I don't usually claim darkness either https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/860031536110764072/878862439326838794/unknown.png
weary jackal
Melee is for nerds, embrace bow
proud zodiac
If you want to laugh at how bad I am at the game
weary jackal
melee is pog and that's final
Factually untrue
Melee is cringe
weary jackal
Real gamers use the pierced butterfly
plucky latch
You can't get bounties on higher heat without completing the run though
You poor summer child
hearty sierra
Great anti poison
weary jackal
I can’t get more bounties with the bow bc I just did my 20 heat with it 
hearty sierra
Yep, as they've said, bounties cap at 20
weary jackal
Aspect of Chiron > Literally everything else
proud zodiac
My favorite shield aspect is chaos because of the kill quips on occasion
hearty sierra
My favorite shield aspect is chaos because of the kill quips on occasion
Lmao yeah I agree
deep zenith
<a:peepoBONK:672570015958171648>
Wow
hearty sierra
@weary jackal sniping people is fun
weary jackal
You do have to reload, however
hearty sierra
One-shots most enemies in Tart at base
weary jackal
So does Coronacht?
If you’re going to use Hestia at that point why not just use the bow and not waste your blood
hearty sierra
Chiron has to charge up to aim at enemies at the edge of the screen
Hestia is just reload and BLAM one enemy removed
Charging bow
Ew
Can't even move while you do it
weary jackal
Flurry shot
deep zenith
What
proud zodiac
Also uh
weary jackal
You can’t move while shooting the rail either!
hearty sierra
Imagine sacrificing perfect shot damage
proud zodiac
How is Vitality better. It only heals 3 at the end of every room
hearty sierra
You can’t move while shooting the rail either!
For a tenth of a second lmao
proud zodiac
Just do constantly dash attacks with the rail
hearty sierra
How is Vitality better. It only heals 3 at the end of every room
3 over the course of the game is 180 health or so
rapid forum
I don't like flurry shot on chiron .-.
weary jackal
Me neither it feels weird
proud zodiac
I have been using ruthless reflex though
weary jackal
But the point stands
proud zodiac
Maybe its better
proud zodiac
I mean you get an easy Hermes boon and now you're a direct upgrade to the 2 dashes
weary jackal
For a tenth of a second lmao
Per shot
So that’s 12/10th’s of a second.
proud zodiac
Also I'm a ADHD gremlin that constantly dashes around
hearty sierra
Imagine shooting more than one shot per clip for Hestia
weary jackal
Yeah then you have to spend a second reloading
hearty sierra
Which then you can reposition and special!
proud zodiac
I've legitimately taken delta chamber on hestia before
hearty sierra
And cast
rapid forum
imagine having to reload twice to kill an armored enemy 
hearty sierra
imagine having to reload twice to kill an armored enemy <:squirtdevious:47212405...
Can't refute that
proud zodiac
On the regular rail though
weary jackal
Professionals have standards
weary jackal
You can say Damn, Blast, and Curse.
Blood and Darkness too.
weary jackal
Or for the most literate amogus, Damnable
proud zodiac
You know, drilling holes in stuff is really boring
weary jackal
No.
proud zodiac
And bolting things together is really riveting
weary jackal
proud zodiac
I mean dash attacks dont care about attack speed unless you're Guan Yu
rapid forum
also you get more health
hearty sierra
Arthur aspect has the highest base aftack damage in the game, I think
Basically your traditional greatsword in other media
Heavy hitter
weary jackal
It looks like the Moonlight great sword
proud zodiac
Okay that dash attack is going to have to take some getting used to
weary jackal
It does if you complete a lower heat
If you do 2 heat before you do 1 heat you only get the 1 heat reward from that run, and then the 2 heat reward the next run
proud zodiac
I do know that if you dash between the sweeping strikes of the combo it will attack after the dash
Also killing a miniboss in 2 hits with backstab and ruthless is pretty pog
kind swan
Are any of the "secondary effects" of item from the contractor good to grab?
weary jackal
Nectar and keys are
proud zodiac
I mean they're definitely not bad to have
granite ether
yes, they're handy to have
weary jackal
Darkness and gems are just sorta there
But the extra random Pom levels and more re-rolls are great
proud zodiac
There's nothing wrong with getting them
kind swan
Gotcha, just wondering since I also want to save diamonds for the quest things.
weary jackal
Yup
proud zodiac
And I got the Daedalus that makes it huge lol
Now I just need a Hermes to speed up my attacks
fiery bramble
It seems like I can force Skelly to have dialogue sometimes, if I leave and reenter his room, does this work in any other way?
weary jackal
It reduces your brain cells by 40%
proud zodiac
It reduces your brain cells by 40%
No that's world cutter
That one upgrade for the sword that turns it into a neutered weak garbage weapon
fiery bramble
Aspect of Hades or Achilles for spear? I have hidden aspect as well but I wanna try one of these fellas
weary jackal
Achilles
weary jackal
Zoom zoom
proud zodiac
Currently at 300 max hp rn
weary jackal
Don’t die or I’ll laugh at you
solar mist
heyo
proud zodiac
Also 3 heat levels higher than I need to be
hearty sierra
Hey, you're better now!
quick ledge
oh yeah
late game
what are keys used for
like after buying weapons and all mirror stuff
weary jackal
✨ Nothing ✨
weary jackal
Use them on nectar
quick ledge
like trade?
quick ledge
what are the chances of finding fish in chaos btw
i know i can just look at the wiki
but
yikes
the chances are astronomically low
weary jackal
It’s one room so I suppose very very low
proud zodiac
What's more than likely to happen is that a lure will appear in the well when you already have a chaos gate in the room
quick ledge
icic
hearty sierra
You're at?
proud zodiac
Chamber 30
hearty sierra
I'd do black out
dusky wedge
Calculated risk is meh
hearty sierra
Damage potential is good
proud zodiac
Just cleared Asterius
dusky wedge
Unless you’re really struggling with dodging
hearty sierra
If it were earlier I'd do after party
proud zodiac
And I could get the zeus boon that does lightning damage
Also party fog is surprisingly good for hitting enemies with shields
I also have Curse of Nausea
So yeah it's definitely black out
proud zodiac
Holy bother of duo boons
This is the third one
Oh it's calculated risk again
Rip
lone tree
Which song is worth getting for 1 diamond?
weary jackal
Calculated risk can be a godsend for FO2
weary jackal
Which song is worth getting for 1 diamond?
Don’t, either save up for Last Words/The Unseen Ones, or spend it on something else
lone tree
Don’t, either save up for Last Words/The Unseen Ones, or spend it on something e...
Thanks!
proud zodiac
Oh wow cursed slash again
But uh
Not taking that on a slow ass sword
Also it would rip my 300 HP
It works on aspect of zag because of the bonus attack speed and the faster combo
weary jackal
40% of 300 would be 120
Not too bad
proud zodiac
Yeah but, my HP stonks would be RIP
Also it's too slow to benefit from the HP gain imo
deep zenith
weary jackal
On my last run today I killed them both in like 30 seconds
Dio’s call, Arti special, and Than’s summon make short work of them
proud zodiac
I think mine was around a minute or so
My festive fog does 222 damage and I have 4 casts of it
And then Excalibur does an ass ton of damage
I also got the upgrade that gives +200% backstab damage
lunar crane
hearty sierra
Wriggly wriggly wriggle
keen raven
Does the game turns off god mode after you win?
lunar crane
Wriggly wriggly wriggle
you
proud zodiac
My casts explode for 295 damage in a big aoe
Holy crap
Only difficult part is aiming them heh
hearty sierra
Try Demeter's duo with dio
It's hitscan
Doesn't get blocked by obstacles
Ice wine, I think
junior terrace
From the final 2 mirror options which are the better choice?
hearty sierra
From the final 2 mirror options which are the better choice?
Fated persuasion to get the boons you're aiming for, and the one that provides duo/legendaries because those usually make or break runs
proud zodiac
Excalibur kicked his ass
hearty sierra
Many runs revolve around specific duos to work
proud zodiac
I prefer the duo/legendary boons one
Because those are your run makers, yeah
Stuff like merciful end and, if you feel cheesy, lightning rod
hearty sierra
Excalibur kicked his ass
Well done! Arthur is one of the better aspects and getting better at it will make your gameplay smoother
hearty sierra
Hsy, not bad! You can post the screenshot in victory-boasting
hearty sierra
It does if you give him nectar, yeah
It's one of the only ways to spend nectar in the lategame
That and trading
proud zodiac
Just put it in
soft echo
Can you get Charged Skewer with Guan Yu?
manic bobcat
yes
proud zodiac
It was a kind of bonkers build
soft echo
Thanks
kind swan
What does Meg's companion do?
manic bobcat
in fact it's the "meta" build
manic bobcat
What does Meg's companion do?
carpet bomb a room
proud zodiac
Yeah ranged attacks with Guan Yu is the way to go
Since it's attack is so slow and the spin attack takes ages to charge
Though the flying dragon blade is still a decent QoL pickup
Makes it easier to use the spin attack for healing
hearty sierra
Charged skewer provides DAMAGE
But quick/massive is still my go-to
It's more fun
deep zenith
Wow
proud zodiac
I'm working on maxing out at least one aspect of each weapon
Espeiclsl the ones I don't have the secret unlocked for yet
modest plank
dusa is hot
manic bobcat
I think she is stone cold
modest plank
she bout to make my buddy stone cold if yk what i mean
manic bobcat
void vigil
dusa is hot
hey, there is no need to spam in every channel.
lunar crane
dusa is hot
not really?
kind swan
Holy Carp, 3k Darkness for Nyx/Chaos' quest.
void vigil
to farm darkness i start with poseidon keepsake and reroll/hope for oceans bounty, and take every chaos gate and reroll/hope for eclipse boons. you can get a lot of darkness in a single run. take darkness from sisyphus if you see him, equip companion shady if you have it
manic bobcat
Kids these days have it easy
And they still complain, smh my head
Back in my days...
plucky latch
Is that a quote
void vigil
no it used to take 8888 darkness
hearty sierra
EM4 FO5 Hades is terrifyingly quick
rapid forum
I can imagine
hearty sierra
10 stubborn defiances can't even hold a candle to the damage outputt
Also Asterius is significantly harder too
As it turns out, the beyblade move deals a lot of damage
short glen
Shocking
hearty sierra
Can't even avoid the bull charge unless you're playing shield
Using the banana spear's dash didn't even help much
brisk trail
EM asterius is lame imo
when he starts spinning you're forced to just run around the arena until he's done
rapid forum
laughs in ranged weapons
azure osprey
dusa is hot
Based
azure osprey
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Hypnos is UGLY