what that amle? potatcr ispl?
#h1-discussion
tall lotus
heavy wigeon
oh sorry
brisk trail
i feel like i'm having a stroke
heavy wigeon
we should switch back to hades discussion
tall lotus
!!!!!!
amle, go get woder this time for sure
it not good to be heating this summer
that my serice for today haha
tall lotus
help amle and it mean that good thing happen to me
high island
we should switch back to hades discussion
True.
heavy wigeon
I like the dionysus fountain boon but i usually get it so late in my runs that its not worth haha
tall lotus
i think it good, in lithua we thank for to helping, maybe @high island sying to @eternal ingot a thanking would be good?
it for to best effort i say!
rough token
(you pinged the wrong Swan, btw)
brisk trail
lol
heavy wigeon
he is foreign so i think it gets difficult for him
hard pawn
lol
tall lotus
it ok, they now part this dicusion and thank you swan!
heavy wigeon
try to be patient
tall lotus
this time for sure
plucky latch
Guys?
heavy wigeon
sorry i need to brush my teeth hold on
brisk trail
i find strong drink a hard sell at all stages bc at most you'll get 18% more damage and for that it needs to be heroic and you need a fountain in every region
tall lotus
what proxy? that special mod too? i seeing him here sometime and always on the dynogg webiste url, it mad good game or what?
heavy wigeon
i find strong drink a hard sell at all stages bc at most you'll get 18% more dam...
it makes me happy tho
high island
Strong Drink is great. It's global damage.
brisk trail
oh wait ig you can get 24% bc of the styx fountain
brisk trail
problem is there's no guarantee you'll find fountains
tall lotus
@brisk trail that not lol! styx fountain leak mad hard, not thi stone you mean?
heavy wigeon
yeah i get that
plucky latch
Do you call any damage that needs no prerequisite Global Damage
heavy wigeon
im still playing on barely like 4-5 heat so maybe im not as minmaxed as u
I think it's a boon that feels good
it makes those random fountain rooms feel that much better
brisk trail
that's valid
plucky latch
Or do you mean that it applies to the damage of all your boons
brisk trail
i think it just means it applies to any damage you do
or maybe even any damage enemies take
quaint bluff
Just had a random thought. It would of been cool had theseus and the minotaur used weapons you didn't use in that run. if you had a bow The mino could have the adamant rail and Theseus would use the sword or some other random combo.
thorn marsh
but bad news is bugged so its also global
heavy wigeon
bad news?
hard pawn
hermes legendary
thorn marsh
hermes legendary
heavy wigeon
hermes legendary
shadow kernel
Strong drink op
thorn marsh
strong drink matters on when u get it
brisk trail
if you get strong drink in the same chamber the fountain is in it doesn't give you more damage, total scam lol
heavy wigeon
that is a scam
high island
Global damage means it applies to all damage that you do, yes.
tall lotus
that not gobal, waht you tri
heavy wigeon
she means universal
tall lotus
oh ok, that makes sense
plucky latch
This man has seen the light
hard pawn
interstellar damage
tall lotus
taht far though, not space time but
that it for me, time going faster in this haha, it mad fast
sleeping well for allm and not too loud for few!
@high island @hard pawn @thorn marsh @brisk trail @quaint bluff sleeping well, it meant for you this time, i should say sleeping dreams for sure this time!
plucky latch
@thorn marshI saw that
polar root
yeah
hard pawn
why am I pinged
polar root
cool gif
thorn marsh
hard pawn
sticker
raw herald
why am I pinged
🤷♂️
polar root
same thing
polar root
same thing right?
hard pawn
soon all the 3 month nitros runs out tho
polar root
sadge
hard pawn
only I will stand
polar root
soon all the 3 month nitros runs out tho
yeah
thorn marsh
soon all the 3 month nitros runs out tho
yeah
hard pawn
heavy wigeon
is krampus in hades
hard pawn
no
brisk trail
soon all the 3 month nitros runs out tho
rapid forum
Isn't krampus a satyr?
rapid forum
They aren't shades
rapid forum
I mean
high island
Or, they were until I killed them all.
Nope. Lady Aphrodite is on my side.
M not bad.
rapid forum
I'm pretty sure the population control is justified by Hades
So eh
Chop and shoot away
I need build suggestion to play 
Nvm
I'm gonna do doom laser
high island
You can't get both.
polar root
big sadge
high island
Don't try this at home.
polar root
how much damage is it?
brisk trail
hazard bomb + eris 😎
stoic flame
enough to not try at home
polar root
is it like 15 dmg?
rapid forum
30
polar root
even worse
rapid forum
There were 2 vases that hit me
high island
hazard bomb + eris 😎
There's a monthly challenge for that.
stoic flame
F
rapid forum
I don't see a reason not to
high island
You can see all the previous monthly challenges on the spreadsheet.
hard pawn
whens the new one out
high island
There'll be a new challenge this month. I don't have a date.
unborn remnant
brisk trail
There'll be a new challenge this month. I don't have a date.
mood 😔
rapid forum
fighting EM4 with slow songs in the background really hinders your performance
chrome wharf
That's reasonable
small parrot
Monthly challenge hmm
Side note
Few things are as rage inducing as dying to Phase 3 Superdad when he only has 20% HP left
high island
The Monthly Challenges are pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat. You can set a role in #bot-commands and get pinged when I announce the newest challenge. 
high island
I haven't announced the new challenge yet.
small parrot
Yeah, that's why I'm curious.
quiet lily
imagine if there was a keepsake that spawned a hammer door
signal aspen
no
thin canyon
uh... has anyone else gotten the admin chamber re-locked?
high island
If you're talking about access to the administrative chamber after that flashback, you don't actually have access yet. That was just a memory.
thin canyon
no, i've freed sisyphus,nyx and orpheus, the admin chamber literally re-locked (in present)
i had access to it before (i could check my runs and inspire shades etc)
high island
That's not a thing that should happen. You can report that bug in-game with F10.
And ask for help in #h1-tech-support.
thin canyon
okay, thank you
granite ether
That's not a thing that should happen. You can report that bug in-game with F10.
the F10 bug reporting feature no longer functions according to the patch notes 
high island
Patch notes say they will "soon" remove the F10 bug-reporting feature. I can still open the bug reporter just fine now.
granite ether
ahhh, got it.
I must be sleepy then
high island
Yeah, no problem.
stoic flame
why are they removing it tho
polar root
sadge
high island
Because the game is finished.
polar root
bug report is nice to have tho
high island
We feel these changes will help reflect the fact that our Early Access development phase has been complete for some time.
They can't be fixing bugs forever, there's a point where you gotta move on. You can still report bugs through discord or email.
small parrot
tender oyster
whose the god who does thew thing where unsticking the cast gem deals damage?
I think its artemis right?
signal aspen
yeah its artemis
tender oyster
ty
tender oyster
ty friend
welp i have to head to watch The Green Knight and i screwed up the build anyway whoops
I was using the sword w/ poseidon so the Q would unlodge the cast gems but then i went with Demeters cast anyway soooo...
im trash at this game
high island
We all learn from mistakes like that.
reef zodiac
Sudden rush or dashing wallop for Zeus shield
thorn marsh
3rd option?
reef zodiac
Breaching rush
thorn marsh
are u doing zeus zeus?
reef zodiac
Yeah
thorn marsh
because special is the main focus i legit dont think it matters
and all 3 of those choices are fine
thorn marsh
aight
humble rover
Doesn't the convenience fee plus the loyalty card reduce the price of titan blood or diamond? Thank you for your attention. That I arrived at the end here and there was always 1200 blood with the pact
modern garnet
Convenience fee increases the prices and loyalty card decreases the prices
Cf is 40% increase and loyalty card is 20% decrease
humble rover
yes, but I ended up twice with the card and the pact to raise the price. in the end, the titan's blood is always 1200, without the pact he lowers the price.
brisk trail
you can get the card twice?
void vigil
no, you can only get the card once in a run
convenience fee does not increase the price of the titan blood/diamond though
humble rover
that's why I was in doubt, my pact was 80% more, as I always buy at the end I realized that it doesn't decrease with the active pact, even with the card.
high island
Very sure the Titan Blood and Diamond are a fixed cost unaffected by CF or the Membership Card, yeah.
If you're sure the Membership Card reduces the price if you don't have CF on but doesn't reduce it if you have CF on, you can send a bug report in-game with F10.
Titan Blood/Diamond being unaffected by CF is intentional.
void vigil
the card is supposed to reduce the price, im pretty sure
modern garnet
I was really hoping to pay 2160 gold for a diamond
humble rover
I won twice with the card and didn't reduce it, the diamond was 1000 and the blood 1200. CF80% active. The next time I report the bug, I bought the game recently and read about the card on wikihades
brisk trail
yeah i remember getting one of those for a reduced price as well
high island
The fixed price to not be affected by Convenience Fee probably overrides the Membership Card, too, and sets it at 1000/1200. Dunno if that's intentional. Best to just report it.
shadow kernel
EM4 is so fun
plucky latch
celest shell
I hated my loadout so much I just stood in front of Theseus like "Just finish me off" 
south lagoon
i just dont agree that asterius is a himbo.. he's smart and articulate
heavy wigeon
ok we can beg to differ
plucky latch
@south lagoon But is he handsome?
heavy wigeon
yeah neffers I appreciate the positivity but I think u and I are just not going to agree on many things =/
south lagoon
:(
south lagoon
What makes you think someone like Orpheus is pretty?
i dont rly understand what wld be unattractive abt him
i like his makeup and his hair is funny
modern garnet
sometimes i get gender envy for hades orpheus
south lagoon
riddler gets it
modern garnet
it's a striking look
plucky latch
Hmm. I guess. I think his design is neat, but I couldnt ever imagine dating someone who looked like that
south lagoon
oh i would lmao
modern garnet
we all have our own tastes
plucky latch
Yeah. I forgot he said Asterius was attractive.
crystal orbit
omg I just love this game, best game EVAR!!
oh my gosh hades is so cute!! and dusa too!!! OMG UWU :DDDDDD
heavy wigeon
orpheus looks sickly
twilit knot
Anyone from SuperGiants, is there gonna be a sequel? Maybe Heracles? Play through Olympus? Plz
glacial adder
orpheus looks sickly
Morpheous reference
heavy wigeon
so true
plucky latch
little dragon
just had my most op run with chiron bow
😔 both the good hammers
crushed every boss in like 40 seconds
rapid forum
so uh
playing dio beo
got ice wine in tartarus
which god should I go for now?
already got zeus, dem, and dio. thanks RNG
chrome wharf
pom?? money??
vapid narwhal
Artemis, try getting fully loaded
rapid forum
you read my mind
hollow hawk
Dio beo doesnt do well with ice wine
It delays the cast rather than speeding it up, like it would on any other wep
Dio beo wants mirage and scint feast mostly
And extra casts, ofcourse
polar root
it looks cool tho
hollow hawk
that it does
polar root
and plus ice wine just sounds nicer
short glen
I hated my loadout so much I just stood in front of Theseus like "Just finish me...
You gotta let Asterius kill you, don't give Theseus the kill he doesn't deserve it
soft cove
do I get to keep my duo boons if I replace or sell off one of the prerequisite skills later down the line?
hollow hawk
yes
soft cove
I got merciful end with divine flourish (athena special) and curse of agony (ares attack), and I have the option to replace curse of agony with athena’s attack boon.😳
hollow hawk
The duo boon might not work
polar root
you can activate it with athena dash as well
hollow hawk
It won't work because it needs doom to be able to trigger it
polar root
no need for the special
hollow hawk
you can activate it with athena dash as well
They're replacing ares attack
hollow hawk
but you can always sell prereqs and still keep the duo
polar root
like curse of agony or something
soft cove
hoping to get the dash but it’s not been offered to me yet.
polar root
pray to the rng gods
soft cove
ahh ty, I think I misunderstood how merciful end works haha.
polar root
hah
soft cove
first time getting it, I wanted to try it out after seeing all the hype!
short glen
Question: Is things like Athena's dash and Curse of Vengeance not being valid options for unlocking Merciful end despite triggering it correctly a balance method or something?
hollow hawk
it is quite the broken duo indeed
hollow hawk
Question: Is things like Athena's dash and Curse of Vengeance not being valid op...
Yep
polar root
mad dmg
polar root
even more broken
hollow hawk
ME is still kinda OP right now, just needs more things to work properly
short glen
it needs 1 more thing does it not?
hollow hawk
yeah
polar root
satisfaction of a chonk doom proc
rapid forum
I didn't get fully loaded on my dio beo run
polar root
sadge
polar root
haven't seen fully loaded in a hot minute
short glen
Is fully loaded a boon of some sort
short glen
I think I might be a meme build irl tbh
raw herald
Hera crystal beam is painful lol
polar root
😦
soft cove
yeah I messed up my merciful end build big time haha. I obviously didn’t understand what it did because I used athena special with aspect of arthur sword. couldn’t even hit my special before the doom damage happened on its own most of the time lmao.
polar root
lmao
soft cove
big fail
soft cove
haha will try that next time!
rapid forum
Do it anyway
rapid forum
One time I streamed for my friend and he picked the boons for me. Ares on arthur, fun times.
soft cove
at the end victory screen, how is it decided which boons are displayed in the list by default?
raw herald
I think it's random
polar root
random probably
raw herald
You can change the ones that are displayed though
soft cove
ooh I was wondering if it was based on which contributed most somehow…
polar root
if it was it would be nice
polar root
wowee
rapid forum
Pretty painful
plucky latch
Their EM3 fight seems easier, as long as you respect Asterius
polar root
asterius yeah
plucky latch
You're no longer getting sniped
polar root
only problem
rapid forum
Asterius deserve respect
plucky latch
You can see the nuke on the ground tho
plucky latch
But nah. I don't think I've ever been hit by Theseus in his chariot phase
His moves just suck.
polar root
you just better
raw herald
I think EM3 is way harder than non-EM3
It's hard to chase down Theseus at FO2 to actually deal damage to him, which leaves you more at risk to the timer
plucky latch
I mean, heat is artifical difficulty
Was just talking about the base difficultly. FO2 anything is broken except maybe Hydra. 💀
raw herald
Haven't played non-FO2 EM3 in a while tbh
rapid forum
I'm running dem on hera
Got poseidon boon
And offers replacement
For the cast
So even the game is like dude it's not great
It's heroic too
raw herald
Heroic cast doesn't matter too much, what is more important is pom level
dusky wedge
Talking from experience, that’s not going to be a sub 10min run, that’s for sure 
rapid forum
I'm gonna pull through
Cause I have sea storm and uncle pikachu legendary
Which increase my damage output by... a lot
polar root
I like the pikachu legendary
manic bobcat
No uncle swampert?
rapid forum
If you're not playing a meme run anyway 
polar root
Is it like 2 mins a biome then?
rapid forum
Around that
polar root
wow
I had such good rng yesterday night by the way
unlocked all the hidden aspects in one night
rapid forum
I can only get around sub 3 per biome nowadays, not as good as I use to
rapid forum
unlocked all the hidden aspects in one night
Nice
polar root
I though beowulf would take longer, but got it on the first chaos gate
thorn marsh
Rule of thumb is that every biome takes about the same time.
u including dad fight?
high island
Yes.
high island
No, I mean Styx includes the dad fight. 4 biomes.
thorn marsh
h
high island
If you need 4m for the first two biomes, the second two are gonna take about that on average if you get a 2-sack.
thorn marsh
ah
high island
If you need 10m for the first two, you're probably finishing in around 20m.
Note, if you need 10m for the first two and give the controller to somebody else who's typically slower or faster than you, the rule of thumb isn't gonna hold very well.
thorn marsh
If you need 4m for the first two biomes, the second two are gonna take about tha...
so elysium + 2 and styx and dad + 2 again
high island
Yeah, roughly.
Hmm. I guess a more accurate rule of thumb would be that the first two biomes take about as long as the last two biomes.
thorn marsh
these are times with average to good rng
high island
Well, yeah, you'll need a 2-sack.
raw herald
Tartarus is usually longer than Asphodel, Elysium is usually longer than styx, from my experience
thorn marsh
well yeah
high island
Yeah.
raw herald
But that all depends on free rooms and build
thorn marsh
Well, yeah, you'll need a 2-sack.
i meant more free room rng
for every biome to be around 2 mins
high island
Yeah. Well if you need 4m for the first two, it's probably more like 2:30 Elysium, 1:30 Styx + dad.
It's just a rule of thumb to quickly estimate on what pace you're on if you're new to trying to go fast.
thorn marsh
so good tart and aspho average ely and good styx + dad
sounds about right
6:30 + 1:30 = 8
poggers thats a good time
high island
If you're more experienced, you'll have a more detailed understanding depending on your aspect and build etc.
raw herald
6:30 exits feel so sad for me now, yet a while ago I would have been chuffed with that
thorn marsh
6:30 exits feel so sad for me now, yet a while ago I would have been chuffed wit...
i havent gotten out of ely in so long
high island
I actually think a better metric to focus on when practicing speedruns is your average time.
thorn marsh
polar root
not again!
thorn marsh
polar root
good god
high island
If you're in a race, you can't reset bad runs.
thorn marsh
yeah
high island
If you finish your runs, you'll have a good gauge of your average time. You won't bring down your average with every run, most likely, but if your average is going down over many runs, you're making improvements.
polar root
gn now
high island
Good night!
brisk trail
I BEAT THE GAME FOR THE FIRST TIME
brisk trail
it was in part due to the ridiculous crit damage i was doing, and a duo boon that regened health when lacking death defiance
polar root
what build did you use?
brisk trail
eternal spear, just aspect of zagrues
brisk trail
pleeeeease
there are fresh file speedruns of this game
i only won because of my ridiculous boon combo
polar root
(I say that because it took me 70 something runs to beat him)
maybe not 70
but close to 30 to 50
polar root
wow
brisk trail
but close to 30 to 50
polar root
<:monkaThink:475403790410055690>
I'm bad at games
I play minecraft and valorant
but current obsession is Hades
rapid forum
Which weapon do you like so far, s t a r?
brisk trail
i tried aegis for the first time yesterday
and it was the first time i reached hades
so i'm liking the shield :)
polar root
aegis really is insane
brisk trail
but this run was with spear
raw herald
Took me 46 attempts
polar root
oooo
polar root
well
rapid forum
They did say average run is 20 - 30 ish
rapid forum
To beat hades I mean
polar root
yup
brisk trail
i think i prefer spear over aegis because of its more powerful ranged attack
polar root
you'll see why aegis is madness soon enough I think
brisk trail
aspects i assume
polar root
oh for me it's more than an aspect
brisk trail
i tried aspect of achilles on spear and hated it
polar root
getting used to it is the key
brisk trail
i guess i should see how this game ends
polar root
If you don't know, Achilles aspect is the second fastest weapon in the game
for speedruns that is
brisk trail
hm
raw herald
It's the fastest
polar root
it is?
brisk trail
i guess because of the dash in keep attacking pattern
polar root
eris is crying somewhere
raw herald
Yep, 5:49 by 185in
brisk trail
but having to press y to throw then x to retrieve instead of just mashing y is tough to get used to
polar root
the cool dash from it is nice
brisk trail
i think i'm saving the sun as my next wallpaper lol
hollow hawk
but having to press y to throw then x to retrieve instead of just mashing y is t...
you dont have to press another button to rush to it, wdym
or retrieve it on spear aspects that arent achilles
shadow kernel
this is like my 18th run
No way
stoic flame
me when I beat the game on my 45th ish run
shadow kernel
I also beat dad for the first time on my 18th run with zag spear
Great minds think alike
brisk trail
why is there no voice channels
polar root
No idea
queen birch
Good Morning
polar root
morning
polar root
how are people so good at games?
plucky latch
We been gamers all our lives
polar root
ah yes
shadow kernel
People value different things
hard pawn
achilles is only the fastest in terms of WR
shadow kernel
Lots of people are casual players and don’t particularly care about being the best as long as theyre having fun
hard pawn
in theory beo and nemmy are faster
vorime is doing his routed run and tryna get sub 3 w beo
iirc
shadow kernel
Sub 3 wtf
hard pawn
routed
shadow kernel
What’s the fastest seeded run so far
modern garnet
Routing means you're resetting your temp save until you get the perfect time in each room?
hard pawn
Routing means you're resetting your temp save until you get the perfect time in ...
i dont really know
but i assume its smth like that
its also perfect chaos luck
he gets like 10 ixions
high island
why is there no voice channels
Voice channels are a pain to moderate is probably why.
granite ether
basically this, also they would require moderation 24/7 which is kinda unfeasible
high island
Routing means you're resetting your temp save until you get the perfect time in ...
Routed means the seed RNG was studied and manipulated to leave (almost) nothing to chance.
thorn marsh
whats happening?
high island
You still need to do a run from start to finish for a routed run to be eligible for the leaderboard.
high island
7:05 out of elysium
That's sub 9 pace if you don't get sacked.
hard pawn
mhm
high island
whats happening?
Go back to sleep.
thorn marsh
Go back to sleep. <:dusa:522248771409543188>
cant
polar root
sleeping is hard
hard pawn
vermin time
thorn marsh
Have you tried floating in mid-air like Hypnos?
see i dont know how
high island
That's because you haven't tried.
polar root
imagine not being able to float
wise oasis
I should try that too
high island
Yeah.
polar root
of course
wise oasis
Oh
wise oasis
Is that why Im always tired? I dont float?
hard pawn
going into hades
polar root
probably
thorn marsh
imagine not being able to float in the air while sleeping and not using ur brain
cringe
wise oasis
sub 9 pog!
hard pawn
hopefully can beat pb 9:14
high island
Don't focus on that, just focus on a clean fight.
thorn marsh
achilles?
hard pawn
mhm
thorn marsh
polar root
😦
high island
Nice!
brisk trail
please help
thorn marsh
nice
brisk trail
i heard the "ding" of fishing in styx, but i can't find where it is
thorn marsh
good dad fight for achilles tbh
hard pawn
yes he didnt darkness
high island
Think of it as motivation to get sub 9 next time whether you get Tiny Vermin or not.
hard pawn
which was nice
I was jus casually playing rlly
levelling up hour glass
and realised I was acc going rlly quick lol
high island
i heard the "ding" of fishing in styx, but i can't find where it is
Just... look at all the edges, I guess?
If you can't see it, you should at least see the prompt for fishing when you run by it.
brisk trail
found it
rapid forum
Heh
high island
2 clears away from 69 achilles clears
Make sure you do an 
run at 69.
Lady Aphrodite will be proud.
cedar nexus
Yay Lucifer
brisk trail
and i still have two death defiances left
high island
Good. Saved them for your next run.
polar root
greatest save
polar root
real stonks
stoic flame
rapid forum
You can upgrade it in the mirror fairly early on
stoic flame
._.
polar root
bruh moment right there
polar root
really well done if you did it without dds
cedar nexus
Also if you give skelly nectar
polar root
😦
stoic flame
forgor 💀
polar root
sadge
cedar nexus
In the mirror there's death defiance
And stubborn defiance
Death defiance is once per run stubborn is once per chamber
brisk trail
although you can upgrade death defiance to thrice per run
cedar nexus
brisk trail
i just encountered tiny vermin for the first time
goddammit, i love bosses that subvert your epectations hard
unborn remnant
who is hades
thorn marsh
hades?
chrome wharf
it's the discussion topic
high island
Everyone always asks who is Hades. No one ever asks how is Hades.
shadow kernel
Where is hades
thorn marsh
what is hades
chrome wharf
*opens both files
paperworking in the first, chilling on the surface for the second
unborn remnant
why is hades
high island
Oh wow, those Redacteds got you again, huh?
fallow mountain
In the game, does it zag what zag god title is?
manic bobcat
The God of Blood and Wine
stoic flame
how did you even understand that question
manic bobcat
That's the neat part, I don't.
rapid forum
"does it zag?" yes it does
high island
Zagreus is the God of Blood.
high island
The God of Blood and Wine
Oh no, now you spoiled that he and Lord Dionysus are the same person.
high island
Does that cover everything or is that too much? If something is unclear in the guide, ask away.
That's the optimal build for it for DPS, anyway.
craggy pumice
It’s fine thanks
It’s insane how strong flurry jab is
Makes a huge difference
Also I want to do an ares cast run soon as I haven’t used it in forever
What weapon do you suggest?
raw herald
Achilles
polar root
achilles too stronk
craggy pumice
What about dem cast?
raw herald
Still achilles
Achilles is good with every cast. Poseidon is better with lodging casts than non-lodging casts
vapid narwhal
+150% probably outweighs whatever bonus there is from Exit Wounds
high island
Exit Wounds isn't even a factor in good Poseidon Aspect builds.
raw herald
Kinda wish Poseidon had a built in exit wounds instead of cast damage
high island
Enemies die before you can even dislodge your bloodstones.
hard pawn
but running lodge on achilles is pretty slow and boring on bosses
polar root
why not stygian soul?
high island
Gotta end another message with though, though.
Because Stygian Soul is way slower in normal encounters for lodging Casts.
hard pawn
stygian school noob
high island
And with a decent Cast, you can phase bosses with your 3-4 Infernal Soul Casts anyway.
high island
Stygian Soul can be decent if you find more ammo.
craggy pumice
I run Achilles ares cast, should I just throw the cast and spam rush in and not attack much?
Cause 4 hits with ares even with extra damage is pretty low right?
high island
It's 4 Casts, not 4 hits.
small parrot
4 Casts can be a huge amount of damage 
craggy pumice
Let’s say I shoot 4 casts after my rush, then attack afterwards, will my casts reset to normal damage?
cedar nexus
What attack is good on lucifer
high island
Let’s say I shoot 4 casts after my rush, then attack afterwards, will my casts r...
No.
The bonus damage is applied to the Cast the moment you press the button.
craggy pumice
Ares cast killed my win streak :)
raw herald
Doom stacking is okay
high island
Inexperience killed your win streak. But that's fine. You're deliberately trying out new things rather than staying in your comfort zone.
craggy pumice
Oh I got 0 doom stuff
Just the cast
I was really desperate for hunting blades but didn’t get it
I’m trying hard labor out now
I got Dio in my beo pool :(
chrome wharf
that's not a bad thing?
craggy pumice
How would I implement it though?
I already got crush shot and I’m going to get Artemis attack and tidal dash
shadow kernel
Zeus shield is so fun to play with
craggy pumice
I slapped it on special cause I don’t use it much
shadow kernel
I have Zeus shield with a heroic Zeus special, jolted, double strike, high voltage and the legendary
It’s so fun
craggy pumice
Cause doesn’t Dio strive from a high number of hits?
And bro doesn’t seem too good at that
shadow kernel
You can run dio cast on beo for big chunks
craggy pumice
Already have crush shot
queen birch
how many attempts did it take to you guys to get a successful escape run?
cedar nexus
how many attempts did it take to you guys to get a successful escape run?
Twenty maybe
cedar nexus
Twenty maybe
With god mode tho
queen birch
oh lmao
craggy pumice
31
craggy pumice
Try making an actual build
cedar nexus
i forgot about that thing
Very useful 
queen birch
ive never used it
queen birch
Try making an actual build
build?
cedar nexus
Build
chrome wharf
actual?
chrome wharf
how many attempts did it take to you guys to get a successful escape run?
44 on normal mode
craggy pumice
I mean go into a run with specific boons in mind
I used to struggle a lot cause I would go in with pierced butterfly and just grab things that might not fit the build
I very rarely got duo boons
high island
How would I implement it though?
Epic Call or take passive boons that don't affect your Duo Boon pools.
craggy pumice
Would Dio fists be a good build?
high island
It's decent enough.
small parrot
Except ares
Doom stacking is okay on Lucifer.
Problem is, it's unsafe as hell, and Eris does it better.
small parrot
Would Dio fists be a good build?
You have the attack speed to apply max stacks, but after that...
Then what?
polar root
merciful end ezpz
shadow kernel
Bruh I had a super super fast run and then realised I forgot to turn of EM4
polar root
Bruh I had a super super fast run and then realised I forgot to turn of EM4
awwwwww 😦
shadow kernel
small parrot
Eh, you can go Zeus on Fists.
small parrot
Bruh I had a super super fast run and then realised I forgot to turn of EM4
That sounds like me. 
craggy pumice
Ok I’ll try Zeus fists ig
high island
Ideal build with Drunken Strike would probably be... Drunken Strike, Deadly Flourish, Passion Dash, and get all of their Duo Boons. Also try to get Hunter's Mark and Support Fire.
And probably Trippy Shot for Black Out.
But there are plenty of builds you can pivot into.
small parrot
Curse of Nausea can also work, if you get Ares instead
high island
Drunken Strike, Trippy Shot, Passion Dash, Zeus' Aid and get their Duo Boons and Black Out.
shadow kernel
COME ON MAN I EVEN GOT THE 2 SACK
raw herald
Just get an 8 god pool smh
shadow kernel
Why did I have to forget to turn off em4
small parrot
Did Dad send you home the painful way?
shadow kernel
But I won’t win because I have 120 max health and 1 DD
raw herald
Well, you can't get a PB but good luck
high island
Ice Wine could also do some work in a Drunken Fists build.
small parrot
Well, is it just EM4?
high island
I think the best Drunken Fists build is probably Talos because you'll want both his Attack and his Cast, and Talos gives you +50% bonus damage on your Casts, which makes it very good for hybrid builds like that.
Although, Demeter Aspect with Deadly Flourish does a lot of work, of course.
small parrot
Drunken Fist heh
high island
Tell me more. Was it painful? Did you scream?
shadow kernel
I can run it comfortably when I’m ready for it
Issue is I wasted DD’s earlier by playing super aggressive to save time
small parrot
shadow kernel
On non EM4 dad with speedrun builds you can kill him so fast he hardly gets to touch you
So not having DD’s doesn’t matter
high island
You haven't answered any of my questions. 
high island
Good. 
small parrot
raw herald
Me too
lone kernel
what is the song title of the tartarus miniboss
raw herald
There are multiple iirc
proven latch
Hey guys, i'm trying to snipe "Rip Current" to finish Poseidon's boons quest of the Fated List, so i'm starting every run with Poseidon's thingy, hoping that his starting boon gives me "Poseidon's Aid", which is the prerequisite of "Rip Current".
Must have been 20 runs or so and still no "Poseidon's Aid" in Tartarus, while i find it pretty commonly in Asphodel, Elysium or Styx. Are there prerequisites to "Poseidon's Aid" that i'm not aware of?
lone kernel
There are multiple iirc
the one with the witch
turbid quest
Hey guys, i'm trying to snipe "Rip Current" to finish Poseidon's boons quest of ...
i uh... dont know what does "prerequisite" mean, but you can check the requirements for each boon in the boon book (you can upgrade the codex with gems)
im going to check it myself in a while, so ill tell you
proven latch
we were discussing it too in the "new player" section, it seems that you can't get a "Call" as your very first boon in a run
"prerequisite" means basically the same thing as "requirement"
proven latch
we were discussing it too in the "new player" section, it seems that you can't g...
that's what the book says, but i don't think it mentions this up here
no worries, i'm aware of the book alread
raw herald
Yes there is no requirement for poseidon's aid
turbid quest
we were discussing it too in the "new player" section, it seems that you can't g...
okay then
proven latch
thanks anyway tho
raw herald
Maybe you could try using dark foresight/fated persuasion, might be a bit easier to get it
proven latch
yeah i'll do that as soon as i get enough dark stuff
seems useful
quite expensive tho, i'm a bit broke here
turbid quest
ive got a question too
does the "fated persuasion" change the god appearing in the next room, or can you look at the boons, and change them if you want to?
raw herald
Second one
raw herald
Tidal dash
shadow kernel
What
brisk trail
nemesis
shadow kernel
I’ve been going for ME
brisk trail
artemis
raw herald
I did it for zag, Poseidon and Arthur, and all of those were quicker than my crit nem dedge run
Sword sucks in Tartarus, tidal dash makes it not suck
brisk trail
well you can use tidal dash on nemesis as well
shadow kernel
Sword sucks everywhere
brisk trail
use something else
raw herald
Hera shouldn't be too bad
south lagoon
poseidon sword is fast too isnt it?
shadow kernel
I kinda suck at going fast with Hera
raw herald
Poseidon sword WR doesn't actually play Poseidon sword, it plays ME
shadow kernel
Should I try for mirage shot with Hera or just settle for parting shot with exposed?
south lagoon
dang lol
raw herald
Doesn't use casts at all apart from one-shotting witches with the casts
raw herald
Should I try for mirage shot with Hera or just settle for parting shot with expo...
Epic cast damage/snow burst is more important
Parting shot isn't worth it
shadow kernel
So should I take God’s pride
raw herald
Yes
shadow kernel
Ok
raw herald
If you see an ixion in the midbiome well, consider taking chaos egg if your build is good
Otherwise force demeter
shadow kernel
Is snow burst really that good?
raw herald
Yes
shadow kernel
It always seemed pretty mediocre to me
raw herald
Because you're casting so often on Hera it's really good
It's meh on other weapons
Good on beo
shadow kernel
Actually ig it’s good for dealing with groups of enemies which I’m guessing Hera struggles with
shadow kernel
I guess I’ll just work with whatever gods spawn naturally
Yooo extra chaos cast
Natural Poseidon
And Athena
Maybe I should’ve taken the other mirror perk
thorn marsh
I’ve been going for ME
ME is faster than tidal dash but tidal dash will help u get the sub 10
shadow kernel
Fountain ooooo
FOUNTAIN INTO SISYPHUS
NATURAL ARTEMIS TOO
WTFFF
And quick reload
Omg
raw herald
Looking good
shadow kernel
I am going to get barged
I got barged
Do I reset? This run feels too good to reset
raw herald
What's the pace?
shadow kernel
3:48 after barge and not even at lernie
chrome wharf
every time I read a hades fanfic that mentions the barge (ie, 2 times) it's to joke about how easy it is, and every time I want to gently reach over and turn on some heat
raw herald
You're all good
short glen
Tbh I much prefer barge to the other two mini bosses
raw herald
It adds so much time in speedruns though
turbid quest
3:48 after barge and not even at lernie
i forgot to wish you good luck
raw herald
+20s at least
turbid quest
um good luck
short glen
especially the witches circle. That's a run ender for me. Then again I don't actually speed run, so
raw herald
Companions make the witches circle much easier
turbid quest
*especially* the witches circle. That's a run ender for me. Then again I don't a...
with no ranged weapon it happens to be a pain
raw herald
What level is your cast
turbid quest
but damn, i like it because its kinda bullet hell
raw herald
That's okay then
Enemy luck matters as well, you can get 0 free rooms but still go quick
high island
Actually ig it’s good for dealing with groups of enemies which I’m guessing Hera...
Hera has no problem with groups of enemies, that's ideal, even. Hera struggles with enemies that are all spread out and not grouped together. You can one-shot all of them, but you have to pick them off one by one...
short glen
but damn, i like it because its kinda bullet hell
That explains why I don't like it. I'm not good with bullet hell
turbid quest
That explains why I don't like it. I'm not good with bullet hell
myself im pretty decent, but i find it really fun
just dodgin the bullets and stuff
raw herald
Learning the 4 witch meg helps a ton
shadow kernel
Nope I’m resetting
turbid quest
its real easy with deflecting dash
which i dont really get anymore but it is super easy then
chrome wharf
one time I forgot I had damage control turned on and instinctively companioned...pain
raw herald
I've posted this a bunch but I think it's quite helpful http://imgur.com/gallery/4pXZpCl
shadow kernel
5:37 out of asphodel
The only way for me to sub 10 is to get like 7 frees in elysium and get a 2 sack
chrome wharf
I've posted this a bunch but I think it's quite helpful http://imgur.com/gallery...
what if you're using melee
turbid quest
with ranged its rather easy dont you think..?
raw herald
what if you're using melee
All weapons have a ranged attack, just cast at the top witch
turbid quest
unless meg joins it
raw herald
You can do the exact same thing on every weapon
turbid quest
bye guys, have a cool day
chrome wharf
so you have to aggro the top witch?
short glen
Just span Athena boons and hope
raw herald
And hit summon when the health bars line up horizontally
chrome wharf
what if you spawn on the lower right
raw herald
It's just mirrored
stoic flame
witch room legit the hardest miniboss
chrome wharf
what if I have damage control
stoic flame
you die.
stoic flame
asphodel is my least favourite biome
short glen
Witch room harder than lernie ngl
short glen
I almost never make it out of that circle without losing one or two tbh
raw herald
If you use a companion, all projectiles on screen seem to disappear
raw herald
Yes you can see in the video
stoic flame
i cant get my meg timing correct anyways smh
i know when to do it
but im just so flustered
high island
I've posted this a bunch but I think it's quite helpful http://imgur.com/gallery...
You can summon Meg way sooner than this. Before you even see the last two Witches.
raw herald
Yes but I miss it quite often when doing that lol
steep spruce