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#h1-discussion
stoic flame
high island
OMG, you cannot be Asterious. 
celest shell
I almost made it!
I got Hades to half health on the first time facing him
I call that a minor success
stoic flame
nice
modern garnet
well, if you get him to half health again, that adds up to a full win, right?
celest shell
I got hurt too much by the poison because it was my first time facing it
stoic flame
high island
If you get poisoned, just pause the game and look for the Curing pool and how to get there.
That way, things won't be so hectic.
robust scaffold
u can also sit on the floor 
rapid forum
u can also sit on the floor <:dusa:522248771409543188>
anywho
I died on my beo slicing flare run
the AOE was so big
it destroyed the vases
and hit me all at once
high island
I know that feeling.
rapid forum
it's not a bad build
raw herald
I remember when haelian did a 50(?) heat slicing flare run as a joke to see how far he could get, and he only died because of a 4-sack
high island
Pseudo has done 50+ Beowulf with all Casts.
raw herald
Mom pom time
high island
I mean it's a good build because Beowulf is good, but it's not a good build for Beowulf.
high island
Maybe I should've used stygian soul
I don't think so. Slicing Flare drops faster than Stygian Soul regenerates your ammo.
void vigil
pillars in asphodel no longer drop gold, right? or do they still do that and i just dont notice?
little dragon
never seen that happen
rapid forum
Technically they do... when they kill an enemy
little dragon
tried to go fast for the first time for tight deadline
makes it to hades in 20 minutes
he lets me pass without fighting
insane 0 second fight
but it never showed me the end screen, so i bet it doesnt count does it
void vigil
ok i checked the patch notes, asphodel pillars do not drop gold anymore
stoic flame
<:heyred:456913427357630486> but it never showed me the end screen, so i bet it ...
it does
little dragon
so the ideal strat for worldrecords 
is to create alt files, grind them for like 20 hours
and then do your run there to skip final boss
little dragon
the time is what matters
i had a 100% of winning that run anyways
with an op demeter fist
i guess its not that hard to get sub 20 even with the final fight
if you take every midshop, and build around speed
stoic flame
after a point you will start getting sub 20 consistently
raw herald
The IGT runs on through the cutscene, so the run will be 3 mins slower
little dragon
oof
well thats still a pb
š
the first tight deadline
is pretty much a free heat
hoary schooner
avocados š„ from mexico š²š½
stoic flame
craggy pumice
If I buy 2 speed boosts from well do they stack?
small parrot
yep
little dragon
orph offered to sing once
but after i picked a song he backed down
was that because i picked the third song and its too difficult for his current bond level
or all are the same
halcyon aurora
what is fated list?
rapid forum
It's a grocery list full of things that you are fated to do in hades 
It's right beside the mirror
And it'll reward you upon clearing certain task
little dragon
titan blood, gems, darkness and diamonds mostly
youll be wanting that as soon as possible to get the darkness, and boost your mirror up a ton at once
elfin rain
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/758248373630271498/871329502750441492/unk...
Omg let him help
halcyon aurora
oh that's the fated list
so i got it
i opened 5 different aspects
i beat hades once after opening those 5
and i talked to achilles
but he didn't mention anything about opening the guan yu
can someone help me out please
rapid forum
it's RNG I believe
brisk trail
yeah just keep playing, it'll happen soon enough
daring otter
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/758248373630271498/871329502750441492/unk...
lol
high island
but after i picked a song he backed down
The songs from the music stand are instrumentals.
high island
Oh that. Yeah, those aren't songs that he'll actually sing.
rapid forum
What does these bonds do
It's required for the epilogue
The gods anyway
But unlock it anyway
They're cute
storm fox
queen birch
rail is the best weapon
heavy wigeon
what makes rail the best? it feels the worst imo
for me i prefer
spear > sword > fists > bow > shield > gun
raw herald
Eris rail gives global damage
granite ether
best in what way?
imo there's no one "best" weapon and entirely comes down to personal preference
brisk trail
honestly best is what's most fun for you
halcyon aurora
yeah best should be your most fun and most convenient weapon for you
to me rail is the best and bow is absolutely the worst
but then, it depends on playstyle and preference to determine which is best and worst
reef zodiac
Does explosive return apply to every Choas shield copy or just the main one?
Also Iād like to weigh in to say that fists are the worst (or sword) and Bow is probably the best because it has Rama and also Hera but mainly Rama
But for speedrunning? Spear and Rail are always on top, although spear is carried by flurry jab
robust scaffold
heroic greater reflex?
reef zodiac
Hell yeah
Not really making amazing use of it with divine dash and chaos shield but itās still great for avoiding attacks
robust scaffold
ngl i dont want so many dashes nowadays
my fingers suffer from pressing dash so much
reef zodiac
Really? That doesnāt really make sense to me lmao sorry
reef zodiac
Either way Iām spamming dash lmao
high island
There are best weapon aspects for different purposes, certainly.
robust scaffold
haha
reef zodiac
There are best weapon aspects for different purposes, certainly.
I agree for sure
high island
But there is only one best keepsake for any situation: 
.
reef zodiac
Acorn?
stoic flame
you mean spearpoint
reef zodiac
you mean spearpoint
I have literally never used spearpoint except to get it to max level and never again
robust scaffold
no skelly will
high island
No Skelly will save you, yes. But Lady Aphrodite will.
robust scaffold
reef zodiac
Should I use spearpoint? I thought it sucked
brisk trail
hey spearpoint is valid
reef zodiac
Dusa, of course, is voiced by Lady Aphrodite.
Idk if Iād say it like that but youāre basically correct
reef zodiac
In what area do you use spearpoint? Elysium?
Thereās no way itās better than Acorn for Hades
brisk trail
its better for em4 hades
reef zodiac
Actually Iām willing to imagine thatās possible but I personally find it unlikely
brisk trail
acorn saves your ass five times, spearpoint every 7 seconds
high island
I should do 32 Heat with LC4 and the Harpy Feather Duster.
Then, Harpy Feather Duster will be valid.
reef zodiac
So true Nyaanyaa
reef zodiac
acorn saves your ass five times, spearpoint every 7 seconds
It actually only saves me every 7 seconds if I get hit twice every 7 seconds
high island
Acorn isn't all that great for EM4 unless you can get through phase 1 very fast or kill the summons very very fast.
brisk trail
time to do 40 heat with every useless trinket
reef zodiac
It actually only saves me every 7 seconds if I get hit twice every 7 seconds
Within a short timeframe of each other
reef zodiac
Acorn isn't all that great for EM4 unless you can get through phase 1 very fast ...
Isnāt phase 1 the hard part? Phases 2 and 3 didnāt feel nearly as bad
high island
Acorn is waaaay better for regular boss fights.
brisk trail
i guess it depends on whether you dodge a lot to be safe of just try to do enough damage before you can be killed
reef zodiac
Isnāt one of those just correct? I donāt think damage tanking high heat is a very great idea, not with BP2 and HL5
high island
All of Hades's attacks are pretty much single big hits. You don't really get comboed much. And even if you do, fully negating the first hit means you can avoid the full combo.
EM4 changes that simply because of the summons, but you'll want Lucky Tooth over Spearpoint, usually. Spearpoint is decent if you have a lot of HP and low damage.
Like, a lot of HP.
high island
Spearpoint is also great if poison is giving you trouble.
reef zodiac
Yeah but why would that be an issue
high island
And it's amazing if you go back in time, so there's that.
manic bobcat
Acorn provides 0 value if you don't get hit.
To get value you need to get hit.
Therefore Acorn promotes you getting hit.
Therefore Acorn is the worst item in the game.
Stop recommending Acorn to people.
reef zodiac
And it's *amazing* if you go back in time, so there's that.
I have no idea what that means
high island
New players struggle with poison all the time.
reef zodiac
Acorn provides 0 value if you don't get hit.
To get value you need to get hit.
T...
Much unlike spearpoint 
high island
I have no idea what that means
It means just go back to before this patch:
- Broken Spearpoint (Patroclus): now has a cooldown between uses; slightly increased effect duration
reef zodiac
Oh I see
Well Iāll definitely keep that in mind when I get my time machine up and running again
That Velociraptor did a number on it but I swear I can fix it
Do I want charged shot for chaos shield? I assume I do because itās amazing but the movement rush is very helpful to get closer to enemies to shotgun them down
high island
My Chaos Aspect PB just completely ignores the Special and just spams Charged Shot.
It's like, I could be using the Special, or I could do another Dash-Strike into Charged Shot.
reef zodiac
I have explosive return, more than 200% special damage, and a terrible attack boon lmaoo
Wait does explosive return benefit from special boons? OHHH that explains why my damage output is so ridiculous
rapid forum
sadge
karmic hare
so aphro is meta over atry for chaos shield then
raw herald
I'd say Zeus is still better because of jolted
high island
Meta for what?
karmic hare
special builds
raw herald
Also there is no real meta for chaos shield, nobody really plays it to a high level
high island
Thunder Flourish is most common for high heat and speedruns.
karmic hare
makes sense for high heat since rooms are more difficult than bosses
high island
There's certainly a meta. It was the most used aspect for high heat in Early Access, and Haelian mained the aspect.
It's not like the builds changed particularly.
reef zodiac
Is Rama the best high heat aspect in the game? I mean obviously thatās an opinion but is it a controversial one?
high island
It's a contender.
raw herald
I don't think there's a definitive answer right now
bright egret
Hey i duno if this a topic to put here but
I have already completed some renovations in the house but the prophecy is not completed.
The last achievement I need is to get Dusa's companion
high island
Didn't you already ask that in #h1-tech-support? Can't help you there. Support team will get back to you when they see it.
reef zodiac
I feel like Rama is definitely the best for less experienced (as in not extremely experienced) players as it allows for you to easily stay out of danger while also doing absurd damage. I was having pretty fast rooms and bossfights literally hitless with very little effort. The aspect feels so insanely strong to me
high island
Yeah, but Beowulf blocks 225Ā° of damage.
tranquil mica
@brisk trail is asking me weird stuff, a hacker please ban him her or whatever it is
reef zodiac
Whatās the meta cast for Beo? I assume you start with cast
raw herald
Passion
bright egret
Didn't you already ask that in <#520430049003044864>? Can't help you there. Supp...
Thank you
high island
<@456226577798135808> is asking me weird stuff, a hacker please ban him her or ...
<@&456908176877551658>
reef zodiac
Ok got it
tranquil mica
<@&456908176877551658>
Thnx š
high island
Maybe ask high heat strat questions in the channel for that.
hexed smelt
@tranquil mica please DM one of the mods with a screenshot so that we can help
reef zodiac
Maybe ask high heat strat questions in the channel for that.
True, I always forget that this server is very organized since Iām used to all general game discussion being confined to one channel like it is on most of the other servers I use
high island
Well, high heat channel exists because we asked for it because we noticed our discussions in #h1-builds-and-combat were intimidating other players. 
reef zodiac
Well, high heat channel exists because we asked for it because we noticed our di...
I see. Yeah most other servers Iām in embrace that as a feature lmao
HK server main channel is a jumbled mess of new players discussing base game bosses, experienced players discussing hitless bosses, and top players discussing hitless pantheons lmao
shadow kernel
Wow Zeus shield is actually really cool
Iād never really given it a go until now
reef zodiac
Iāve only used Zeus shield like twice ever
shadow kernel
Iād tried 32 heat with beo a few times and I was struggling so I gave Zeus a go and won first try
patent nebula
Zeus is good, but I prefer chaos, I like the bouncing damage
reef zodiac
Oh damn. Beo carried me to a relatively easy 32 heat but I barely scraped by at 26 heat with Zeus. So I guess we have different strengths
reef zodiac
Zeus is good, but I prefer chaos, I like the bouncing damage
Wtf is bouncing damage
small parrot
Yeah, that's the great thing with the Aspects
You have options; find the one that work best for you
raw herald
Except zag sword
patent nebula
Wtf is bouncing damage
I mean, the bouncing of the shields you throw
reef zodiac
I donāt know what youāre referring to. Donāt they just hit one enemy and come back?
patent nebula
Well yeah, that
shadow kernel
Oh damn. Beo carried me to a relatively easy 32 heat but I barely scraped by at ...
Killing bosses with Zeus was pretty hard for me but it completely swept normal rooms
patent nebula
To cover more enemies
shadow kernel
I guess the opposite of beo
reef zodiac
They bounce once
Ah ok I didnāt realize that and Iām playing Chaos shield as we speak
raw herald
Lol I never play chaos shield
small parrot
Not a fan of the Shield. But Beowulf's nice.
reef zodiac
I guess the opposite of beo
Nah Beo clears normal rooms very easily imo. It just crushes hordes of high health enemies or tons of low health ones
shadow kernel
I used to HATE the shield with a passion but then I tried Beowulf and liked it
raw herald
A lot of Beowulf's room clear relies on enemy positioning
reef zodiac
Lol I never play chaos shield
I donāt either, but I decided to give it a quick 26 heat run and itās been pretty fun
shadow kernel
Getting Zeus special on Zeus shield is ridiculous
reef zodiac
I donāt hate any weapons but I feel like fists is pretty weak and not all that fun
raw herald
My least favourite is the sword
shadow kernel
They have a couple of really fun builds but outside of that fists are pretty lame
reef zodiac
I donāt really love sword but Poseidon and Nemesis can both be pretty fun from time to time
raw herald
I could only do well on sword by playing splash dash
shadow kernel
I like to rely on auto-aim and that never seems to work for the sword
My attacks and dash strikes just straight up miss
raw herald
Every sword aspect I sub 10d used splash dash
reef zodiac
Sword feels alright but then you get double edge and everything makes sense
shadow kernel
I love zag fists
Lack of range doesnāt matter when you have a 100% dodge rate at all times
reef zodiac
What
shadow kernel
Also ME on Demeter fists is really fun
And I use Gilgamesh to do dash only runs since it has 2 extra dashes
small parrot
My issue with Zag fists is the DPS
shadow kernel
What
If you have zag fists, greater evasion, lambent plume and second wind with a 5 bar call you can get 100% dodge chance and keep it above 100% consistently
reef zodiac
Ok you have to be trolling
shadow kernel
You usually need ruthless reflex
reef zodiac
you can get 100% dodge chance in hades
Yeah but itās not a viable strategy lmao
signal aspen
yeah
high island
It is.
small parrot
reef zodiac
Is it actually??
shadow kernel
You usually need ruthless reflex but thatās inconsistent and doesnāt last long
high island
I mean, what's not viable about invincibility?
small parrot
reef zodiac
No I mean itās very inconsistent to actually achieve
shadow kernel
With zag fists as long as youāre doing damage to keep your call regenerating or have smoldering air you can get constant 100% dodge chance
high island
It's not like "only" getting 90% Dodge chance is bad.
reef zodiac
If going for dodge chance is viable, wouldnāt it be easily the best high heat build in the game? You canāt fail if you literally canāt fail
small parrot
Let's say you have
Lambent Plume at 20 stacks = 24%
Greatest Evasion = 10%
Second Wind = 30%
That's still a 64% Dodge chance. That can change lives
shadow kernel
I got to 30% on lambent plume by dad
high island
You can't dodge TD damage.
shadow kernel
Yeah just max out everything but TD
reef zodiac
Let's say you have
Lambent Plume at 20 stacks = 24%
Greatest Evasion = 10%
Seco...
20 stacks? I assume that means you use it in Tartarus, which is pretty painful
small parrot
It's inconsistent, but definitely doable
Since you need to be lucky with Tartarus rewards
shadow kernel
20 stacks? I assume that means you use it in Tartarus, which is pretty painful
With zag fists I used plume the whole time and reset until I got Zeus and ran Zeus on attack
reef zodiac
You can't dodge TD damage.
Youāre also not gonna have that dodge chance if you donāt speedclear every most rooms for plume anyway
high island
Eris Bunny has been winning with Dodge builds on Eris at 50.
small parrot
But again. It's definitely viable
shadow kernel
Plume is very forgiving
reef zodiac
With zag fists I used plume the whole time and reset until I got Zeus and ran Ze...
Holy hell that sounds utterly miserable
small parrot
TD2 demands speedclears.
reef zodiac
TD2 doesnāt demand anything lmao
high island
Finding Lightning Strike in Tartarus doesn't require a lot of resets.
shadow kernel
Yeah it only took me about 5
high island
And you can take Curse of Agony just as well for high DPS.
signal aspen
The pact that demands you clear regions in 5 minutes doesn't ask you go fast?
thats td3
reef zodiac
Thatās TD3 first of all
small parrot
Oh
derp
But nevertheless. If you're running TD, you kinda have to be speedclearing rooms
high island
Anyway, Lambent Plume is viable and building Dodge is viable. Plenty of clears like that to proof the point.
reef zodiac
And second of all, no TD3 doesnāt become a problem unless youāre using a slow weapon or some really slow pacts (like cprogram or jury summons)
small parrot
Uhhhhhh
high island
TD3 can be a problem on any aspect at high heats. 
This is really going into high heat chat again, though...
reef zodiac
At high heat yes, because youāll be running those pacts
shadow kernel
I mean zag fists dps isnāt really that bad if you get a few Zeus boons
So TD shouldnāt be too much of an issue
craggy pumice
If I give up does my win streak reset?
high island
No.
reef zodiac
Right. But Iād assume TD3 doesnāt become a problem until you start using CProgram or Jury Summons (or a very slow aspect). It never is an issue for me unless I get really bad sack rng
high island
Give Up resets your save to the House of Hades before you ever did your run.
m honestly not sure what you're arguing for anymore.
reef zodiac
Iām not really arguing but sure we can move on idc
small parrot
craggy pumice
TD3?
high island
Tight Deadline at 3.
small parrot
Tight Deadline 3
shadow kernel
5 mins per biome
shadow kernel
Yeah I usually run it at 2 especially if Iām doing zag fists
In high heat I like to take my time to make sure I donāt rush myself and die
With td3 I just rush and end up dying
reef zodiac
TD2 is literally free at any heat. I always have it at 3 for any heat above 5 (which is always since I donāt go below 20 anymore unless Iām speedrunning)
high island
You can time out with TD2 at high heats.
small parrot
I always run EM4 all the time.
high island
I always run EM4 all the time.
Do some EM4 RI4 then.
reef zodiac
TD3 takes some getting used to but once youāre used to going quickly through every room it stops really being noticeable, at least at lower heats
small parrot
Gotta have that adrenaline rush from fighting M A X I M U M O V E R D A D
I don't even touch RI lmao
raw herald
TD3 is free
high island
I did TD2 for all my RI4 runs for Hestia bounties, all sub 20, did TD3 for one run and timed out at heroes lol.
I mean, I could have not timed out if I didn't take troves and stuff.
But there was Darkness in it.
And I got a free Erebus reward before boss shop. Can't not take that.
stoic flame
TD3 š
reef zodiac
Below 36ish heat, TD3 is basically a must have. Sure, it can make things a little harder but itās an incredible deal for 3 heat. Above 36ish heat, you need the extra heat anyway because itās either that or some much worse stuff
high island
I dunno about that. TD2 is fine for high heat.
TD2 can be a lot more consistent for some aspects.
reef zodiac
Iām definitely willing to believe that
high island
Anyway, if you want to continue talking high heat, #h1-high-heat-strategies.
small parrot
I wonder what happened with Asphodel
reef zodiac
I made it to heroes in Fresh File once
I almost forgot I did that but it was pretty cool
reef zodiac
Wym first try
high island
(Not Really)
reef zodiac
Getting to heroes in fresh file took me at least 30 attempts
I donāt remember why I cared enough to do that many attempts
What is the purpose of Talos fists?
shadow kernel
Become magneto
reef zodiac
Yeah but like why do they exist
high island
?
reef zodiac
Is there any utility for Talos fists?
shadow kernel
Because Talos wielded the twin fists and did that thing
reef zodiac
I feel like Talos and Hades are the most useless non-zag aspects in the game
I mained Talos fists when I was starting out and I literally do not know why
high island
Pulling enemies to wherever you want is clearly utility.
shadow kernel
When I was still a casual I loved hades aspect
Hades with serrated point was one of my favourite builds in the game
With Athena attack 
reef zodiac
I did Talos and splash dash was always my first boon whenever possible
high island
They don't need to be "better" than other aspects. They just need to be unique.
Plenty of players who enjoy Talos a lot.
reef zodiac
I did Talos and splash dash was always my first boon whenever possible
Then I switched to Chiron and finally started winning
Yeah thatās fair
I just feel like itās a kinda boring and weak aspect
shadow kernel
Nuking with Demeter fists and charged special hammer is fun
reef zodiac
But I still like it more than Hades aspect
high island
I mean try something fun with it then, be creative.
reef zodiac
Like what? Tempest flourish?
I really donāt know what cool thing I could do with Talos
shadow kernel
Talos with Zeus attack and storm lightening could be cool ig
Pull them in and then destroy them all at once
high island
That's not too creative because that's what everyone does, but sure if it's fun for you.
shadow kernel
I never even knew thatās what people do
high island
I meant Tempest Flourish lol.
reef zodiac
Itās hard to be creative with Talos and yeah I didnāt know people did that either lol
reef zodiac
Lmao what
shadow kernel
Or throw a slicing shot and pull them into it
reef zodiac
That certainly is creative
brisk trail
who's bashing my babies talos fists >:(
reef zodiac
I definitely appreciate Lucifer because it has a lot of room for creativity
high island
Pull them in and nuke them with slicing shot
A Slicing Shot?
Or...
A Freezing Vortex?
shadow kernel
Ooo that could be neat
high island
That's the second idea everyone has for Talos.
reef zodiac
Great minds think alike
But seriously I genuinely came up with both of those on my own, so Iām out outsourcing my creativity
Iām just not very original
high island
Most fun I've had with Talos was still with Blizzard Shot, Deadly Strike, and Heavy Knuckle.
reef zodiac
You know what else I loved? Merciful End.
Although that was slightly later in my Hades experience, once I was winning semi-consistently
I also loved Crystal Clarity
high island
There's nothing even to explore in the build for ME, it's so straightforward.
I find it very bland.
reef zodiac
Oh wait you know what boon I really loved when I was new and terrible?
Stubborn Roots 
high island
Try to not use language like "terrible", though. You just called a lot of new players terrible lol.
small parrot
ME is good, but bland.
high island
Stubborn Roots is a strong boon.
small parrot
Like, there's pretty much no variation on how to play it
high island
Yeah.
reef zodiac
I was terrible Iām not calling anyone else terrible
reef zodiac
Thatās how I ended up with a 40+ minute win with Chiron Bow
I just avoided with Chiron bow
And Stubborn Defiance
high island
Well, but the implication is there. People are gonna internalize that if they're new.
reef zodiac
Nothing wrong with being terrible haha
Weāve all been there, no shame in it
But yeah I get what youāre saying, my bad
high island
He goes over all of the pacts, what pacts are good early on, etc.
reef zodiac
Oh yeah thatās a good video
high island
Haelian was like the #1 Hades players for most of Early Access, so he genuinely knows what he's talking about.
reef zodiac
Also very entertaining guy, makes great content
high island
And he tries out like every pact combo and every build you could think of because he just really likes exploring all the possible things in the game.
reef zodiac
Whatās the deal with the boon Cold Embrace?
Itās never as good as Crystal Clarity, and it doesnāt really feel too fun either
It is kinda interesting though
high island
I mean.
There are runs where you have Lady Aphrodite and Lady Demeter in your pool.
But not Lady Artemis.
reef zodiac
Yeah I guess. But with Crystal beam you should almost always go for Artemis in Asphodel
Especially because of mirage shot
high island
It's something you can take to supplement your damage. If you're starting with Crystal Beam, that's gonna be different, of course.
If you're starting with , then Cold Embrace can be a decent pick-up along the way.
reef zodiac
Ah ok I see what you mean. Although I feel like beam needs a lot of support to actually be good, and generally youāre gonna be better off with the ability to activate boiling blood against strong enemies and bosses
high island
It just needs Glacial Glare and Cold Embrace to be pretty amazing.
Boiling Blood is kind of overrated, anyway.
Ravenous Will is also great if you have Crystal Beams.
reef zodiac
Yeah I know. I did 32 heat with Crystal beam on Achilles Iām pretty sure
Yeah I did
I just noticed that I am 16 for 17 with breaking wave, which is probably my best record for any boon Iāve picked that much
Breaking wave is an amazing boon
reef zodiac
My permanent record shows some very strange stats. Like for some reason Iāve won 20 out of 23 runs with Exit Wounds and also 22 out of 25 with Ravenous Will. Those both feel quite high
Oh yeah wave pounding is great
thorn marsh
I like Wave Pounding better.
but styx
reef zodiac
Breaking wave is also just really fun because it solos Styx rooms instantly
high island
Breaking Wave is better for speed. I don't always worry about speed.
reef zodiac
Whatās your opinion on Razor Shoals?
high island
It's great.
thorn marsh
razor shoals is poggers
high island
Honestly, my flowchart for Poseidon t2 boons is just pick the highest rarity.
shadow kernel
I donāt understand razor shoals
Probably because it doesnāt always show damage numbers
reef zodiac
Poseidon has a lot of really great tier 2 boons
shadow kernel
Is it just an extra 50dps?
high island
Any enemy that moves takes damage. They don't have to be moving on their own accord.
shadow kernel
Only when they move?
high island
Knockback triggers it.
thorn marsh
n i c e
shadow kernel
Oh so thatās why I didnāt understand it
I didnāt realise they had to move
Oh yeah do razor shoals and jolted count towards privileged status
high island
Yes.
shadow kernel
Oh wow
Why donāt people run privileged status on eris then
In speedruns at least
thorn marsh
its less consistent
reef zodiac
Should I run PStatus more often? I very rarely turn it on, and even when I would turn it on I often forget to
thorn marsh
plus its literally useless until u get a two t2 boons
high island
Because you want to be killing most enemies before you can even apply both curses, and your initial hits get no bonus damage, and you need two specific t2 boons to even be able to proc it.
thorn marsh
while FF is not useless until u get two t2 boons
high island
It's fine to take Family Favorite and just forget about it.
thorn marsh
Should I run PStatus more often? I very rarely turn it on, and even when I would...
no probably not lul
reef zodiac
Whatās your opinion on Rip Current?
high island
But you'll feel the lack of Privileged Status in builds like Low Tolerance.
reef zodiac
I think privileged status is super overrated
reef zodiac
Not by people here
thorn marsh
PS is probably rated by the people who try PS builds rather than who dont
reef zodiac
Back when I used Reddit to talk about this game, I found people there acting like every build should be focused on getting PS active
A lot of people actually
high island
Casual players do very different builds from optimized ones, so Privileged Status can probably help them get more out of some of them in especially boss fights.
reef zodiac
Iād describe a build and they would say āthat doesnāt even activate privileged statusā lmao
raw herald
Reddit loves PS so much lol
high island
ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ
reef zodiac
Reddit loves PS so much lol
Yeah itās really weird
raw herald
Why would you take sub-par boons for a 15% bonus that doesn't even happen all the time
reef zodiac
40% bonus?
reef zodiac
Ah I see what you mean
high island
I posted one video to the Hades reddit, and it got downvoted just as much as upvoted because I put a "the best Hades player is... a woman?!" joke in the title for my WR post.
thorn marsh
high island
I guess referencing tropes flies over people's heads.
So I stopped caring for that community lol.
raw herald
Idk man as someone with around 10 40 Heat runs under my belt I will literally always take Divine Dash over pretty much everything. Unless the build really requires a specific dash to create a broken interaction, Divine Dash is good with every build, every weapon, and is simply incredible. I agree with the top post of this comment chain that 8.5 is a little weird for easily the best Dash in the game.
reef zodiac
I have no idea why I used Reddit for so long instead of discord
high island
It's easier to find.
thorn marsh
Idk man as someone with around 10 40 Heat runs under my belt I will literally al...
TIDAL DASH
high island
All the posts on reddit are public.
reef zodiac
Yeah but itās such a terrible way to discuss games
high island
You have to make a Discord account before you can see any chat or anything.
They're still part of the Hades community, anyway.
raw herald
I got a comment on a speedrun video I posted saying that I would get a shock when I started going above 25 heat
It was so agressive as well
high island
I think reddit is bad for any in-depth theorizing, though. Even when good theory happens, it gets buried so fast.
thorn marsh
high island
Lol
raw herald
It went to -18 votes and then the user deleted it
raw herald
It was on a video of the furies fight, at 6 heat
void vigil
that makes it sound like heat is mandatory?
high island
What a stupid comment lmaoo
No need to use language like that, though.
raw herald
It's just gatekeeping for no reason, and it wasn't even relevant.
high island
Ah the good old days at sub-52 Heat.
raw herald
Filthy low-heater
reef zodiac
They act like heat is something you increase once and cannot ever decrease
reef zodiac
Nowadays is Hell mode very distinct from normal mode? Or is itās main purpose just for high heat records for that extra heat
high island
The main purpose is a greater challenge in the early game for players who like a challenge.
reef zodiac
Oh alright that makes sense
shadow kernel
What does hell mode actually do
raw herald
Makes HL1 LC1 JS1 and CP1 mandatory
shadow kernel
Ah
thorn marsh
and PL1
raw herald
And also adds a new exclusive pact called personal liability which removes the shield you get when you get combo'd
thorn marsh
And also adds a new exclusive pact called personal liability which removes the s...
beuuhgwr
void vigil
since you start at 5 heat, bounties go up to 25. it also disables god mode from use
void vigil
well, just on the hell mode save
brisk trail
all hail the god mode
reef zodiac
Would you say smoldering air is the best duo boon in the game? Maybe even the best boon in the game?
thorn marsh
eh no
thorn marsh
id say its up in the best but i dont think its the best
shadow kernel
Imo
raw herald
ME is the best duo, then mirage, then smoldering imo
thorn marsh
why mirage
high island
How can a t3 boon that requires two specific gods in your pool be the best boon in the game?
raw herald
Mirage shot OP
shadow kernel
why mirage
Mirage breaks cast weapons
raw herald
That's why
thorn marsh
Mirage breaks cast weapons
yeah ik
shadow kernel
Doesnāt it bug with beo and just do double damage
thorn marsh
yeah
reef zodiac
How can a t3 boon that requires two specific gods in your pool be the best boon ...
No not like the easiest to get but just the most powerful overall
high island
Is it?
reef zodiac
No probably not
high island
Sell your Call. How powerful is it now?
Mirage Shot is good for selling it for 400 in most builds that aren't Cast builds.
thorn marsh
if we are talking duo boons ME is better imo
reef zodiac
Doesnāt it bug with beo and just do double damage
Wait does it actually? Holy hell thatās crazy I didnāt know that
thorn marsh
Doesnāt it bug with beo and just do double damage
well technically it works on dio hera
high island
Smoldering Air is good on all aspects with any Call.
thorn marsh
because it works with flares
reef zodiac
Sell your Call. How powerful is it now?
Well I probably wouldnāt do that
I feel like this server has a painful lack of good emotes
thorn marsh
reef zodiac
Not to insult it, but I just feel like thereās not enough emotes to express stuff so Iām often stuck saying ālmaoā to express that Iām partly joking
thorn marsh
raw herald
I use when I'm partly joking
And I use when I want to say something rude but don't want to offend anyone
thorn marsh
brisk trail
i beat thesues without death defiance for the first time
signal aspen
Nice
brisk trail
suprisingly, it was only the second time i beat them
and my first time ever using aegis
reef zodiac
I am not convinced
storm fox
short glen
Those two dusas were supposed to be dusa and bouldy, but discord swapped the emote spots around after the first dusa
high island
Good.
chrome wharf
brisk trail
i made it to ||hades|| for the first time
signal aspen
nice
twin token
finally got the Thorn of Thanatos achievement let's go
signal aspen
nice
brisk trail
thorn of thanatos was definitely the most difficult imo
twin token
significantly harder than Haste of Hermes
brisk trail
right? haha, haste of hermes ezpz
twin token
fr
brisk trail
i wasn't even trying to get haste of hermes but thorn of thanatos took me more than 10 tries i think
so today i learned ||there's a phase two of the hades fight||
and i died
sadge
signal aspen
F
brisk trail
i did better than i ever expected though
on my first ever attempt with the shield i made it to the final boss and almost won
manic bobcat
š
ember spire
i lost one of my death definences to him when he had like this much health left:
ember spire
oml im one coin off of buying an athena and hermes boon
shadow kernel
Dude I got the useless Poseidon legendary when I wanted mirage shot so I rerolled and got it again 
brisk trail
i took smoldering air and instantly regretted it bc the next chamber is aphrodite lol
paper harness
sort of rando q, am I correct in understanding that all the resources are technically infinitely farm-able w/ the broker?
I've been converting a good amount of ambrosia to TB, and doing the long conversion of gems to TB as well... seems like there's no way to really "run out" of resources, right?
shadow kernel
i took smoldering air and instantly regretted it bc the next chamber is aphrodit...
You arenāt missing out on much
Lightning rod kinda sucks
brisk trail
but i also have scintillating feast so it would've been fun haha
first the trippy shot does lightning damage and then the cast stone
signal aspen
sort of rando q, am I correct in understanding that all the resources are techni...
You will almost never run out of darkness, gemstones, nectar, and keys as long as you keep playing the game
modern garnet
Lightning rod is really nice if you're deeply invested into zeus
paper harness
You will almost never run out of darkness, gemstones, nectar, and keys as long a...
yea that's pretty much how I feel, the ambrosia -> TB conversion doesn't feel so bad since you can technically convert gemstones/nectar to ambrosia.. just wanted to make sure i wasn't missing anything lol
runic agate
When tf is there going to be a content update for hades, like
It's a great game and one small update could be an insane cash cow for supergiant
brisk trail
never.
signal aspen
December 32
runic agate
Y'all're funny
brisk trail
it's not a joke though lol
signal aspen
There won't be a content update
runic agate
It's just
So dumb on their part
brisk trail
i guess some people just make games for reasons other than milking them for money
stoic flame
ssg goated
raw herald
It's just
So dumb on their part
Why? There is no obligation for SGG to make any more content.
They've put the game out of early access, it's finished
runic agate
It could bring so much more hype to an already insanely amazing game
And it would make them some more money from new people buying the game
Hades is hands down my favorite roguelite of all times and after so long without a true content update it kinda just makes me sad since alot of the hype is gone
runic agate
They've put the game out of early access, it's finished
What game just, like, releases and then never gets even a tiny bit of content
raw herald
They are already going to get a lot of new players anyway because of console releases
raw herald
What game just, like, releases and then never gets even a tiny bit of content
Most games that didn't release in the last 5 years
runic agate
That's the old age of games where updates weren't as easy
raw herald
Current games (for the most part) release in an unfinished state, we've been conditioned to expect new content
Hades isn't one of those games
shadow kernel
Man
I had such a good run
2:20 out of Tartarus
Mirage shot before furies
Aiming for sub 10 on Beowulf
Then I got 0 frees in elysium and 1 in asphodel
signal aspen
Nice
raw herald
Elysium do be like that sometimes
shadow kernel
Is 2 mins for Styx + dad possible
I had the exact same thing happen
Amazing Tartarus
Terrible asphodel and elysium
And now Iām at Styx at 8
Man
Just over 10
If Iād just got a single free it wouldāve been sub 10
Literally one
Thatās all I needed
thorn marsh
Is 2 mins for Styx + dad possible
yeah thats way possible
thorn marsh
ive pulled a 40 second styx on hera before
river mesa
Hello, I wish you all a good day 
I'm confused; I just got the achievement for killing Skelly 15 times after beating a satyr-(elite)encounter even though I never killed Skelly even once.
Did anyone ever experience something similar?
thorn marsh
Is 2 mins for Styx + dad possible
assuming ur playing beo/eris dad fight should almost never be over a minute
shadow kernel
Lfgggg I got elysium than
LFGGGG PATTY
Whew
7:20 out of elysium
This is very doable
If I donāt get unlucky sacks
signal aspen
Hello, I wish you all a good day <:xephHi:612624915715325982>
I'm confused; I j...
Maybe you used Skelly's companion
river mesa
I used Dusa, and I'm pretty sure it was lower than the tenth time.
I may have used Meg, Than and Dusa 15 times in total.
signal aspen
It doesn't
shadow kernel
It does when itās in place of a 2 sack
signal aspen
Just go faster
signal aspen
Poggies
shadow kernel
Eurydice pog
signal aspen
Pog
shadow kernel
Gamble payed off
Asphodel 1 free 4:33
Elysium time
Chaos pog
Cast damage pog
FOUNTAIN POG
shadow kernel
Also 6 casts because of wells of Charon lol
shadow kernel
Yep
thorn marsh
smh not hera
thorn marsh
H E R E S Y
raw herald
Alright, can your castspect block attacks? Didn't think so
shadow kernel
End shop at 6:28 omg
raw herald
Sick
shadow kernel
Time to fight heroes with 6 casts mirage shot and extra cast damage from chaos
Dude 5k damage per shot
6:45 into Styx
Unless I get slapped with a 5 sack this is free
raw herald
Are you using flood or pash?
shadow kernel
Flood
raw herald
Styx will be rapid
thorn marsh
vermin literally explodes at beo
shadow kernel
I suck vs vermin but I killed it pretty damn quick regardless
shadow kernel
If I get a 2 sack I might pb
raw herald
Vermin would be fine if he didn't burrow
shadow kernel
I got a 2 sack
raw herald
Sick! Kill dad's ass
thorn marsh
what time into dad?
brisk trail
run run run
shadow kernel
NOOOO MY CASTS WENT TOO FAR OFF THE MAP
raw herald
F
brisk trail
thorn marsh
F
thorn marsh
stop discording mid dad fight LOL
shadow kernel
HAHHAHAHAHA I STILL DID IT
thorn marsh
4 sack on sub 8 pace?
hard pawn
yep
shadow kernel
MY CASTS GOT LOST AND I STILL PBD
hard pawn
was gonna be a sub 8 100%
hard pawn
6:20 end shop zzzzz
shadow kernel
@raw herald dude I did it
raw herald
Sick
hard pawn
what time were u out of ely?
6:20
raw herald
Hey, that's time to save on the next run
hard pawn
yes
thorn marsh
did u have a good build
hard pawn
kinda yeah
thorn marsh
cause 6:20 on achilles for sub 8 is really tight
raw herald
I don't think that's quite sub 8 pace unless you have a bonkers cast
thorn marsh
because it has a bad styx/dad
raw herald
Dad takes basically a minute
signal aspen
You got sub 10 beo?
signal aspen
Poggies
thorn marsh
poggies
shadow kernel
It wouldāve been 8:33 but I shot my thing off the map on the dad fight and couldnāt get my casts back 
unborn remnant
ok back to watching jjk'
what is jjk
cyan tiger
thorn marsh
brisk trail
i think i might stop at 100 hours
before i get sick of it
thorn marsh
@hard pawn my flurry luck is Sadge today
hard pawn
Dude I was streaming for a friend
And they were like
If I took a shot everytime u said flurry jab I would be dead
(Happened while it took 4 resets for it to finallt appear)
junior furnace
thorn marsh
its a resource sink and u unlock them through the contractor
i think its from getting enough darkness u unlock them
not sure
signal aspen
You unlock them when you buy everything from the house contractor in the work orders section
chrome wharf
except contracts
modern garnet
you're just using it as fists?
tender oyster
yeah idk i had this idea to use the shield w/ aspect of zeus so the special just leaves the spinning bnlade in the area
and go for like all Ares boons to make a bunch of blades
its not working as crazy as i thought
tender oyster
whats that BSE?
high island
If you want to do something decent with Zeus Aspect + bladerifts, you'll want Deadly Flourish + Slicing Shot to unlock Hunting Blades.
And avoid core boons from other gods that can unlock Duo Boons with Lady Artemis and Lord Ares unless it's Poseidon for potentially Mirage Shot.
Pretty much.
fiery lynx
what exactly does dionysus' perk After Party do? I can't quite figure out how much "low" is.
high island
"Low" means below the threshold.
raw herald
what exactly does dionysus' perk After Party do? I can't quite figure out how mu...
It restores you to whatever percentage health it says
If you are below it
thorn marsh
put doom on special or attack and athena on special or attack depending on each one
zeus shield doesnt really need the dash
just ME
but dash is still really damn good so grab the dash after u get ME @tender oyster
high island
You'd want to start with the Blood-Filled Vial for that one, and pretty much just pick whichever is higher rarity between Curse of Agony and Curse of Pain.
fiery lynx
It restores you to whatever percentage health it says
oh wow, so if you have 100 health, and fall below 50 after an encounter, it'll restore up to 50?
high island
Then go for Lady Athena in the other slot.
raw herald
oh wow, so if you have 100 health, and fall below 50 after an encounter, it'll r...
Yes, if you have epic after party
tender oyster
im still a very new player so a lot of the advice yall just gave me is still very foreign to me
i get the gist of it
fiery lynx
Yes, if you have epic after party
nice! thank you.
high island
That's fine. You'll just have to go out there and try and get experience with builds.
If you get the gist and not all the details, at least you'll have an idea of what to try to get.
tender oyster
yes like it makes some sense i just have to keep trying and working on it
stone fog
the only build you need is bow with aspect of chiron
paper harness
anyone have any good tips for beowulf shield?
paper harness
i seem to get hit so damn much because of the weird placement of trying to use it
thorn marsh
dash strike into bull rush for faster charge
paper harness
i just die to chip damage all the time cause of the charge
but if i don't charge quick enough and pl;ay defensively, the charge will overshoot and hit nothing lol
thorn marsh
it takes practice yeah
paper harness
do any of the other shield aspects compete w/ beo?
paper harness
ease of clearing
thorn marsh
speed thats also a no
paper harness
or ease of use i guess
thorn marsh
i mean chaos is straight forward
bull rush into special
but in terms of damage and speed beo is the best
paper harness
i kinda just do terrible with allt he weapons on the left side of the screen lol
covert zenith
ME is crazy holyyyyy
manic bobcat
anyone have any good tips for beowulf shield?
I think you can look into some Beowulf speedruns here to get an idea of how people play the aspect (you can filter to only Beowulf btw). https://www.speedrun.com/hades#Any_Heat
Obviously you don't need to get to speedrun level to enjoy the thing, but it's good to take a peek regardless.
paper harness
Ah ty ty
short glen
I think you can look into some Beowulf speedruns here to get an idea of how peop...
you can filter, but the filter doesn't appear to actually DO anything
plucky latch
Yeah the filter isn't working, at least not on mobile
manic bobcat
yeah probably true for mobile then because i didn't photoshopped that :D
plucky latch
Seems like it's just buggy. I can get it to work if I long-press a filter, then use another finger to select the filter I want. Then, if I take my fingers off, it will let me actually choose the filter I selected.
short glen
What do you mean?
I'm on pc and it's not doing that, it's unchanged.
it's reloading the list and then loading the exact same list each time
narrow hemlock
thats weird 0: i just looked and could filter just beowulf fine. dunno whats going on with that
short glen
Okay as it turns out only SOME filters don't work
IDK if there's just no runs in those categories or something but if there isn't it should probably say that instead of just loading the unfiltered list
mint coral
dumb question, if im using hyper sprint + rush delivery and get a "reduce movement speed" curse from chaos, does the bonus damage from rush get affected in some way?
robust scaffold
i think so
but im not too sure
since it could be a multiplicative or additive change
high island
@short glen it shows you filters for all the run categories, but only the filters that are for the run category you're currently on will actually work on that list. Supposedly, that's something the moderators of the speedrun leaderboard have no control over.
stone fog
I think everything in hades is additive no?
thorn marsh
not everything
stone fog
kinda disappointing that such a popular game has such a barebones wikia
short glen
DId you join this server only to complain about the game because you seem to do nothing but complain about the game and associated things
manic bobcat
You can help expand the wiki
stoic flame
ah yes
manic bobcat
They like the game enough to play and delve extensively enough into mechanics, but not enough to say they actually like the game 
high island
No need to gang up on anyone, either.
Like FoxHope said, if there's something you'd like to see on the wiki that's not there, you can add to it.
narrow hemlock
wikis are community run. rather than complain information is lacking, do your part and assist the community. this is how wiki work. misinformation, when spotted, should be removed. if you (generally speaking, not a specific "you") don't want to edit but see something that should be fixed or something that is missing, ask if someone can take care of that
this sentiment pops up every so often here but realize that people do this entirely in their free time and are not obligated to handle the wiki at all.
short glen
Is it possible for the particle effects and lights to be turned down? Pretty often I get to the point where I can't see anything useful on the screen because of the various lights and particley deals
high island
No.
There's a colorblind mod that outlines enemies and stuff. Maybe that can help you. Modding server is pinned in #self-promotion.
manic bobcat
Is it possible for the particle effects and lights to be turned down? Pretty oft...
Not denying that roguelite visual diarrhea is a problem for a lot of people, but somehow I just love the late game chaos lol. This applies not only to Hades but most other things I play.
But yeah, if it bothers you then hopefully color blind mode or modding server can help.
robust scaffold
the wiki seems good enough for me
high island
I probably look at the gods' pages to double-check something more than any other Hades resource.
And sometimes weapons.
rapid forum
What do Hades and Persephone talk about in the garden?
high island
Ask them.
robust scaffold
omg
whenever zag says i should check the garden
check it out and theres nothing
rapid forum
She'd say dad and her need to talk
robust scaffold
stop pleasee
narrow hemlock
oh wait i saw swan post smth about particle effects on steam hang on
narrow hemlock
Is it possible for the particle effects and lights to be turned down? Pretty oft...
assuming pc anyway
manic bobcat
Impressive
robust scaffold
woah
high island
I'd argue that learning when not to put sparkles and lightning in 500 colors everywhere on the screen is just part of learning the game.
high island
I could set Hades's HP to 1 to make the game easier. Should I?
robust scaffold
sure u could
i dont think disabling graphics is considered cheating though
might have to consult someone else hm
chrome wharf
I mean, why not
stoic flame
man im having trouble beating hades