h1-discussion

[rapid forum]

ME zag fist is great :3

[high island]

Which one?

[small parrot]

Let the record show I'm not as hardcore as nyaanyaa

[karmic skiff]

does EM4 hades remove the rocks

[small parrot]

No

[polar root]

rocks?

[karmic skiff]

thank goodness

[robust scaffold]

lol

[polar root]

xd

niceu

[robust scaffold]

if they did that would be hard

[small parrot]

The big rocks that you can hide behind during the IMMAH FIRIN' MAH DAD LAZER bit

[karmic skiff]

yes

[high island]

I found fish on the surface. Well, below the surface... but on the surface.

Huge Catch gaming.

[karmic skiff]

mhmmmm yes

[polar root]

huge catch gaming is real

[storm fox]

Lol i got Poseidon's fish boon as my first boon

[polar root]

WOWWWWWW

[storm fox]

Sold it for 500 coin

[polar root]

STONKS

[karmic skiff]

he ain't called ray_rng for nothin

[hard pawn]

My friend thought the rare fish chance was rare boon chance

[high island]

I got 69 diamonds.

[storm fox]

[polar root]

.......Nice.

[storm fox]

Nice

[rapid forum]

Nice

[karmic skiff]

[hard pawn]

[polar root]

thats my zodiac sign

[robust scaffold]

i love cancer

[high island]

You broke the streak.

[polar root]

that sounds

[robust scaffold]

[rapid forum]

Feed him to the crocs

[hard pawn]

dude

[high island]

https://i.imgur.com/W5NAKRF.jpg

[polar root]

the big sadness has set in

[karmic skiff]

i forgot is it pisces or cancer that has crabs

[robust scaffold]

its cancer

[hard pawn]

[brisk trail]

[polar root]

sounds very wrong.

send help

[robust scaffold]

yes it does

ill correct my statement

cancer is bad

[polar root]

i mean

better i think

[robust scaffold]

thats good

[polar root]

all i want

is

rng favouring me

[robust scaffold]

u dont need rng

just do it

[rapid forum]

Desire sensor is tinggling

[robust scaffold]

hades is actually a gacha game

[polar root]

Poseidon hates me

[glacial lagoon]

Man the writing in the book Achilles gives you is so great

[high island]

Yeah!

[karmic skiff]

I just wish it was broken up into smaller paragraphs

my eyes immediately glaze over when the entry is thicker than half of the codex page

And yet I was able to muster the attention span to read all entries for the transistor ()Functions

[polar root]

YAAAAYYYYYYYYY

I DID IT

I GOT ALL POSEIDON

EVEN THE LEGENDARY

ALL I HAVE TO DO

NOT DIE

[high island]

Good luck!

[polar root]

DONE!

check victory boast

[high island]

Congratulations!

[polar root]

took me a hot minute huh

I'll take my Hades monthly challenge thank you

[high island]

Good job!

[small parrot]

Wait, what is the Monthly Challenge anyway?

[polar root]

its as the name says

a challenge

[small parrot]

Ha. Haaaaa

I mean, what is it specifically?

[polar root]

its a challenge that @high island makes from what I've seen

it was fun

its in builds and disccusion

in the pinned messages

[high island]

The Hades Monthly Challenges are always announced and pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat.

[polar root]

gogogo check

[high island]

You can get the role in #bot-commands to get a ping when I announce a new challenge.

[small parrot]

No specific Heat requirements?

[polar root]

no i dont think

[high island]

Not for this one, no.

[small parrot]

Cool. It'll be a splash.

[polar root]

ah yes

[small parrot]

[high island]

I design them to be unique challenges that require you to approach the game from a different angle rather than just making them hard with pacts.

At least, that's the goal.

Some challenges require certain pacts, though.

[small parrot]

My last run was funny lmao.
I just threw my hands up and told the RNG to do its worst on 32 Heat Arthur

[polar root]

DAMAGE CONTROL 2

[small parrot]

Nah, I swapped that out for AP1

[polar root]

scurry

[small parrot]

I still ended up getting Epic Heartbreak Strike right out of the gate

[polar root]

Well,

COMPLETE SKILL

lemme get back to escape with 32 heat

[high island]

Lady Aphrodite is the bestest.

[polar root]

If you say so

[high island]

There's no escape.

I do.

I do say so.

[small parrot]

Aphrodite's definitely one of the best

[polar root]

let me keep the underworlds defenses in check

jesus

[high island]

The bestest.

[raw herald]

Bestestest

[polar root]

one of the bestest

[high island]

Maybe I should make the next Monthly Challenge to hunt down @small parrot and @polar root.

[small parrot]

OI

[polar root]

GOD

NO

[small parrot]

[polar root]

AAAAAAAAAAA

jesus

[polar root]

add 64 heat as well

[small parrot]

[high island]

No, it's gonna be 0 Heat, so everyone can participate in the hunt.

[polar root]

good god

[small parrot]

[polar root]

i go hide now, yu protec

[high island]

Such courage.

[polar root]

What can i say

[small parrot]

I fight Koreans online. I welcome the pain.

[polar root]

wow

STRONK

I don't what weapon to pick for 32 heat, send help.

im currently using chiron bow

hera maybe?

[small parrot]

Chiron

It's on #h1-high-heat-strategies

Pinned too

[polar root]

oooooooo

thanks

[small parrot]

[polar root]

so far so good

heart rend in tartarus

[reef zodiac]

Hera 32 heat was actually pretty easy for me. I did a few attempts of Chiron but I didn’t get it. This was all months ago and after I hit 100 win streak and let my streak die I’ll try again

[robust scaffold]

nice

pancake r u using hera now

or another aspect

[reef zodiac]

Right now? Wym

[robust scaffold]

for ur winstreaks

[reef zodiac]

Oh I alternate

[robust scaffold]

oo

[reef zodiac]

I also change my heat around but I keep it between 22-28 generally

[polar root]

NO HIT FURY SISTER

good

all i have to do now......

beat game

[robust scaffold]

ic

[reef zodiac]

Will this be your first 32 heat?

[polar root]

3 tries

[robust scaffold]

well after ur winstreak hits 100 u could try keeping the heat at 32 all the time

[reef zodiac]

Ooh that would be interesting

[robust scaffold]

focus on getting through asphodel first :p

[polar root]

only problem

[reef zodiac]

Force myself to git gud at 32 heat. Maybe get some more aspects to 32 heat (only got 5 right now)

I actually like that idea a lot

[robust scaffold]

thats good

for me i only have a few aspects that im good at

[reef zodiac]

I love swapping aspects since I love so many different ones so I never really specialized.

[robust scaffold]

ic ic

some people try to get 32x24 i think, all aspects at 32 heat and so on

u can try that too but it might be too much

[reef zodiac]

I want to get at least one aspect from each weapon to 32. So far I have yet to do sword or fists

And I did bow twice lol

[robust scaffold]

haha

maybe bow is ur best aspect

nemesis and demeter is the best for those two weapons imo

[reef zodiac]

I agree, although I’m pretty bad with sword so I considered going Poseidon instead

[robust scaffold]

hm if ur more familiar with cast builds i guess it can work too

[reef zodiac]

I mean I’m good with Hera and Rama is just broken (first tried 32 with a random jank build)

[robust scaffold]

haha

[reef zodiac]

I don’t even know how to play Rama

[robust scaffold]

the other aspects are pretty good too

[robust scaffold]

u might be downplaying ur skill heh

beowulf hestia zeus rama and uhh i forgot the last one

[reef zodiac]

I mean I literally don’t play Rama. I had done less than 8 Rama runs before doing that

[river vigil]

GOD I DIED TO DAD AGAIN WITH ZEUS SHIELD

[polar root]

sadge

[robust scaffold]

ur general skill in hades pulled through i guess

[river vigil]

i suck at32 heat man lmao

[robust scaffold]

it hits quite hard, just need to make sure u can avoid hits

[polar root]

so do I

[reef zodiac]

Yeah Rama is crazy good. I should play the aspect more

[robust scaffold]

i just hide behind my shield for that fight

yay another rama enjoyer

[reef zodiac]

Rama is especially great because you can make anything work. Even with AP2 it’s easy to end up with good boons

[robust scaffold]

hm yea thats true

kinda the same with hestia i think

[river vigil]

i can do 32 consistently with sword, rail, and fist any aspects except hestia and arthur i suck with those

[robust scaffold]

u can use shattered shackle if u dont get anything good

[reef zodiac]

Very true

[river vigil]

and i can do 32 with rama

[robust scaffold]

haha arthur

[reef zodiac]

Yeah with AP1 or more you should always use Shackle

[robust scaffold]

arthurs more of a fun aspect than a strong aspect

[robust scaffold]

uhh i think u only take shackle when u dont have an attack

with AP1 u can still kinda luck ur way into a boon

[reef zodiac]

That’s true

I think I used AP1 for my Rama run

[robust scaffold]

not too sure on the specifics of when to take shackle tho, since i reset for a good attack :p

[reef zodiac]

Fair

[robust scaffold]

oh its not recommended to take AP1 at 32 heat

[reef zodiac]

Oh I know lmao

[robust scaffold]

ud usually take it around 50+

yea lol

[reef zodiac]

Shackle is a crazy good keepsake

Just situational

[hard pawn]

Lol

Isn't it good for like 3 weapons

[robust scaffold]

thats kinda what he said no?

its just situational

[hard pawn]

[robust scaffold]

ew

[hard pawn]

Monke

[reef zodiac]

Also wouldn’t 55+ heat be hell without shackle?

[hard pawn]

For what weapon

[reef zodiac]

You’d need really good first boon RNG

[robust scaffold]

i think they probably get some good boons so that they dont need shackle

[hard pawn]

55+ is reset society

[robust scaffold]

yea its just resetting

[reef zodiac]

Good point

[robust scaffold]

which is kinda sad

[reef zodiac]

What’s the best Rama build?

[hard pawn]

Welp

[hard pawn]

What heat

[reef zodiac]

20-32 range

[robust scaffold]

o.o

take aphro attack

[polar root]

welp

[robust scaffold]

zeus/ares/dio special

[polar root]

died in elysium again 😦

[hard pawn]

Heart rend good

Athena dash gud

Aphro or artemis attack gud

Pash dssh gud

[robust scaffold]

yea

[hard pawn]

These gud

[robust scaffold]

ideally ud get aphro attack first

or u can get dio special first to clear mobs in tart

up to preference

[reef zodiac]

Basically, take aphro attack, then improvise

[hard pawn]

Mobs

[raw herald]

Speedrunners start with Zeus special

[hard pawn]

[raw herald]

And pick either aphro or arti attack, and hunter dash

I'd assume you do the same build on high heat

[robust scaffold]

yea thats just pure dmg

[reef zodiac]

Really?

[robust scaffold]

i like going for athena dash

since u can get the dd

[hard pawn]

U can start w rose or arrow

[raw herald]

Well, Zeus special is great for tearing through DC2

[hard pawn]

Doesnt have to be zeus if it doesnt work for u

[reef zodiac]

Speedrun prioritization ≠ High heat prioritization

[robust scaffold]

doesnt rama special already tear through DC2

[hard pawn]

Yeah and rama is also odd for speedrunning bc its like the slowest weapon in the game lol

So using that as reference is a bit unorthodox I suppose

[raw herald]

Yeah but Zeus special actually kills them without using the attack, which can be dangerous in tartarus

[robust scaffold]

thats true

[hard pawn]

Its 32 heat theres no dc2

[raw herald]

Tbh I'm not experienced at Rama so probably take my advice with a grain pile of salt

[robust scaffold]

i like dio but i guess zeus does more dmg

[robust scaffold]

ur not wrong lol

but at 32 heat u wouldnt be in that much danger in tart :p

[reef zodiac]

DC2 is free heat on some aspects at 32, no?

[hard pawn]

Not on rama

[robust scaffold]

yes its free on rama

what

[polar root]

rama special good

[hard pawn]

U have to special twice if u dont special start

[robust scaffold]

u dont

its a 3 hit special

[polar root]

yeah

[robust scaffold]

which bounces to enemies

[hard pawn]

Lol moment

[polar root]

well

[robust scaffold]

[hard pawn]

First try rama 32 btw and I dont know this

🤓

[robust scaffold]

wellllll

[polar root]

gogogo

[robust scaffold]

u could try counting

[reef zodiac]

Hey I first tried Rama 32 as well

[hard pawn]

High five

[robust scaffold]

anyway bye

[polar root]

byeeeeee

[hard pawn]

🚪

[polar root]

clap

maybe not for me

[raw herald]

I didn't first try Rama 32, because it was my first 32

[reef zodiac]

My first 32 was Eris

[raw herald]

Looking back I really should have done Hestia

It's so damn good

[reef zodiac]

I suck with Hestia

[hard pawn]

I played some hestia and I had to press like some buttons so my brain stopped working

Got to elysium w it on 50 but it got boring lol

[reef zodiac]

Hestia feels like it a relatively high skill weapon. Either that or I absolutely suck at it

[polar root]

hestia bestia

[hard pawn]

[polar root]

it nice

i would try it in 32 heat

but chiron is nicer for that free damage control

[raw herald]

I still mess up on Hestia sometimes

In all of my PBs there are many moments when I reload, don't shoot and reload again

[reef zodiac]

Tbh Hestia feels like the hardest aspect in the game to play

[brisk trail]

get zeus attack and damage control is free on the rail, even free-er than chiron

[raw herald]

I think both Rama and Beowulf are harder honestly

[reef zodiac]

Mmm probably not on Hestia though

[hard pawn]

How is beo hard

Unless u mean the learning curve

[reef zodiac]

Maybe, but both are still pretty easy to do well with. They just have a very high skill ceiling

[polar root]

yeah, that

[hard pawn]

But picking it up is rlly easy

[raw herald]

Dash striking into bullrushing took a bit to get used to

And also catching your casts in midair

And immediately shooting them out again

[hard pawn]

Just be better and do that from the start

[reef zodiac]

But Hestia is hard as hell to pick up

[hard pawn]

I dont think it is personally

[raw herald]

I think as long as you rebind reload, it's fine

[reef zodiac]

I’m probably worse with Hestia than any other aspect in the game lmao

[hard pawn]

It doesnt need boons

Like other weapons

[reef zodiac]

I’m just really bad at reloading at the right times

[raw herald]

Yeah it handles AP2 really well

[hard pawn]

Once u get the muscle memory of shoot reload special cancel or dash cancel

Ur vibing

Best part is u can just spam it on skelly till you get the muscle memory

Lol

[reef zodiac]

What is a special cancel or a dash cancel?

[hard pawn]

Cancel ur reload animation

W special

Or dashing

[reef zodiac]

Ok

I just got epic heartbreak strike into triple shot on Rama lmao

[hard pawn]

Nice shotgun

[reef zodiac]

Yep

[hard pawn]

I prefer twin

Personally

Feels more consistent

[raw herald]

Yeah me too, but triple is still extremely good

[hard pawn]

Even tho triple can be insane in Boss fights

[reef zodiac]

Twin is probably better but I take what I can get

[robust scaffold]

triple is better i think

u have to position really well to land triples on normal enemies tho

[hard pawn]

Joe

[robust scaffold]

personally i like twin more

[reef zodiac]

Me: Sells a boon
Zagreus: “That’s one less boon”

[hard pawn]

[reef zodiac]

Sniper shot, explosive shot, or perfect shot

[rapid forum]

rama right?

[reef zodiac]

Yeah

[rapid forum]

EXPLOSIVE

[reef zodiac]

Is that good? I’ve never used it

[robust scaffold]

no

[reef zodiac]

I assumed it wasn’t

[robust scaffold]

i like perfect imo

its only useful on bosses or slow enemies tho

[rapid forum]

you can't go wrong with perfect

[polar root]

explosive shot Rama, the build of a man of patience

[reef zodiac]

Apparently the 150% applies to base damage which means it doesn’t combine well with my 149% aphro attack boon

[robust scaffold]

its the same for explosive shot

[reef zodiac]

But yeah perfect is better than the other two

[robust scaffold]

but explosive shot makes ur shot slower

[polar root]

a LOT slower

[reef zodiac]

I know. It’s definitely the right choice, it just isn’t very good

[robust scaffold]

tbf u already have triple shot

other hammers that are good would be the (near range) shot and thats all i think

[reef zodiac]

Couldn’t I get the Rama exclusive hammer?

[robust scaffold]

is that even good

[reef zodiac]

Even though it’s not great, I also would have loved relentless volley

[robust scaffold]

im not sure if its ever done anything

[reef zodiac]

Idk seems alright

[robust scaffold]

relentless is only good with dio i think, maybe with zeus too

[reef zodiac]

I have Demeter lol

[robust scaffold]

it feels like it doesnt do anything lol

oh demeter

thats good too

helps u stack frost faster ig

[reef zodiac]

Relentless would have helped a lot with that

Oh well I’ll be fine

[hard pawn]

Perfect shot

[robust scaffold]

yea u will

[karmic skiff]

so after listening to Hades music on youtube for the past week

the algorithm has recommended me a video on How the Greeks created the First European State

[reef zodiac]

Oh I remember why I quit Hades the first time lmao

I was getting sick of 32 heat partly because of EM3 FO2 Asterius (something I’ve now learned to never let happen at 32 heat). Then this happened

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/868852801663565824/870640084381229096/video0.mp4

[robust scaffold]

clip is loading :(

[reef zodiac]

Use the link

[small parrot]

Kiting works well against him

[robust scaffold]

u gotta use a wall

lol

[reef zodiac]

I know lmao but this made me lose my mind

[robust scaffold]

[reef zodiac]

It was the final straw

[small parrot]

[robust scaffold]

understandable

sometimes asterius pounds me for 100 dmg

not fun

[reef zodiac]

Wait how? I’m pretty sure I had at least HL1 on

And he hit me for 50

[robust scaffold]

oo

83 then

:p

[polar root]

I got out of elysium............. Only problem, my dds, they kind of dissapeared

[reef zodiac]

Some offensively high number

[robust scaffold]

indeed

[robust scaffold]

u can try using sd instead for 32 heat

[reef zodiac]

Also, have you ever seen Asterius trip on his way out of the arena?

[polar root]

sd?

sorry i dumb

[robust scaffold]

stubborn defiance

[robust scaffold]

nope lol

how do u trip him

[reef zodiac]

Let me find the clip

[reef zodiac]

I have literally no idea. It’s happened to me and my cousin once each

[robust scaffold]

haha

i know that u can reduce asterius hp to 0 when hes leaving the miniboss chamber

[reef zodiac]

I’ve gotten it to around 10% with Beo but never 0

[robust scaffold]

ive only seen clips of it too

[reef zodiac]

Damn I’m having trouble finding this clip

[robust scaffold]

haha

if its too hard dont bother

[reef zodiac]

Here I’ll send the clip of it happening to my cousin instead

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/868852801663565824/870643491225600010/video0.mov

Same thing happened to me but without Jolted

I have absolutely no idea why that happened

[brisk trail]

isn't that the same clip?

[reef zodiac]

Oh whoops

[polar root]

well

[reef zodiac]

Lmaoo

Hold on

[brisk trail]

hahaha

[reef zodiac]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/868852801663565824/870644671146250290/video0.mp4

There we go

But yeah I have no idea why he does that

[robust scaffold]

hahaha

maybe it has to do with the cast

[reef zodiac]

Nah that didn’t happen in the first clip

My guess is that it could be an Easter egg

[high island]

First clip is Jolted. Second clip might be Exit Wounds?

[reef zodiac]

I didn’t have exit wounds

[high island]

Hmm. There are no damage numbers, though.

[reef zodiac]

Have you ever seen that happen before?

[high island]

Perhaps something to do with a status effect still being on him.

I have.

[polar root]

I'm dying inside

high heat

[reef zodiac]

Whatever it is, it’s really really funny

[polar root]

AAAAAAAA

help

[reef zodiac]

32 heat is tough

[high island]

F10d one like that just the other day, in fact.

[polar root]

f10 d?

[high island]

F10.

Bug report.

[polar root]

oh

that

got it

[reef zodiac]

I’d be disappointed to see that patched tbh

[rapid forum]

Good luck on 32 heat @polar root

[high island]

I added that it looked hilarious, though.

[reef zodiac]

What’s your pact look like btw?

[polar root]

7 tries already

im dying inside

[brisk trail]

what are you using?

[rapid forum]

Well make it in the 8th

[reef zodiac]

I think they said Chiron

[high island]

Move it to #h1-high-heat-strategies if you want to talk pact strats and stuff.

My first 32 took me like a week.

[rapid forum]

My first 32 heat took me one try

[polar root]

you said you did it first try didnt you?

[polar root]

gamer dude

[high island]

No. That was 52 Heat.

[rapid forum]

I was lucky

Like

Real lucky

[brisk trail]

🤝

[polar root]

yeah 52 is easy

32 big bad

[high island]

Lol

[polar root]

yeah right

[hard pawn]

52 is like eyes closed man

You can fall asleep

[polar root]

i swear to god

[hard pawn]

To it

[brisk trail]

i won't even attempt 52 bc i don't want to be bored to death

[raw herald]

52 is like 32, but waaay easier. The game even picks the boons for you, how hard can it be

[hard pawn]

My friend was having insomnia related issues and I recommended them attempting 52 heat

They immediately passed out upon beating super dad

[high island]

There were only like 2-3 people in the server who could really help me with 32 advice at the time, and all of our 32 Heat pacts were bad.

[reef zodiac]

I first tried some aspects at 32. Definitely Rama, possibly Hera and Eris. Beo took me a good many tries. Achilles took me a few days

[high island]

And FO2 and BP2 were harder in Nighty Night.

And Dark Foresight didn't work back then.

[polar root]

FO1 is hard enough

[raw herald]

And TD3 didn't exist

[hard pawn]

I forgot how the game looks without fo2

[rapid forum]

Slow

[polar root]

yeah about that

[high island]

The TD2 we had was 7m but time didn't carry over. But it was 4 Heat.

[reef zodiac]

I don’t want to go back to FO2

[rapid forum]

holy

[polar root]

enemy go brrrrrrr

the wringers go 50 miles an hr

[reef zodiac]

Yeah don’t use FO2 at 32 heat lol

[polar root]

yeah FO1 is hard enough thank you

[hard pawn]

[polar root]

the paragraph

scares me

[reef zodiac]

FO2 + Speeder louts is actual hell

[polar root]

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[high island]

I wrote a lot of "I cannot react to this enemy at all" in #hades-feedback in Nighty Night. Next big patch had a lot of fine-tuning for FO and BP.

[hard pawn]

Nyaanyaa Mewmew is typing...

[polar root]

dayum

[rapid forum]

Lmao

[polar root]

my face when typing

[reef zodiac]

Absolutely mightmarish

[polar root]

FACTS

[polar root]

too accurate

[high island]

...it just looks like a lot because it's slow on phone.

[polar root]

oh makes sense

[hard pawn]

Fo2 makes dad hard

[reef zodiac]

FO2 makes everything hard

[polar root]

sounds....... Questionable

[hard pawn]

Other than that

[reef zodiac]

MonkaW

[rapid forum]

It's fun

[hard pawn]

Maybe bull

[polar root]

yeah FO2 bad

[rapid forum]

[hard pawn]

Das it tho other things just dodge as hypnos would say

[polar root]

sure

[high island]

FO2 Speeder can still be brutal.

[hard pawn]

Ýea

[polar root]

too speed

[rapid forum]

FO2 speeder numbskulls

I got that once...

[hard pawn]

Aimbot witches w speeder and fo2

[rapid forum]

With chiron

[polar root]

28 dmg numbskulls

[hard pawn]

Or when I'm in 50 heat, they give me hammer start and then the next room is dc2 speeder numb skulls

Very poggers

[polar root]

wowee

[hard pawn]

I always make sure to congratulate the game when they do thwt

[reef zodiac]

No the worst is speeder numbskulls that regenerate blue hearts. Literally there have been like 10 of them, most with 5 blue hearts

[hard pawn]

Lol

[reef zodiac]

Some weapons literally cannot beat that

If I’m using say Hera bow, wtf do I do when I see that in chamber 3

[hard pawn]

Just dont use that weapon then

[raw herald]

Beowulf with those numbskull rooms is so satisfying

Wide bull rush time

[high island]

You can do that with all weapons.

Gotta be aggressive.

[cedar nexus]

Git gud.

[high island]

Not saying it's not hard, but it's doable.

I don't think any BP2 combo concerns me anymore on any aspect if it's not also some combination of JS and DC.

[reef zodiac]

Would you say sack RNG is the biggest flaw in this game?

[high island]

No, I think it's fine.

5-sack is only a problem if you speedrun or at extremely high heats.

And the odds for that are really low.

[hard pawn]

My only wish was that we'd actually get models for the epilogue feast instead of 2 panels but

Welp

[high island]

But even a 3-sack is a problem in speedruns more often than not. But speedruns aren't a design goal.

[reef zodiac]

But even a 3 sack is a dead speedrun, which means ~50% of my runs will die due to no fault of my own

[high island]

They have a mod pack for that now, anyway.

[hard pawn]

The game isn't designed for speedrunners

Lol

[reef zodiac]

Yeah I know

[high island]

Not really 50%. 3-sacks can still have great times.

[reef zodiac]

It adds an easy 25 seconds onto my run though

[hard pawn]

Yeah i always see people get sub 9s in speedrun server when they're like "vermin 4 sack"

[high island]

Pretty sure there are several sub 7s with a 3-sack. There's a lot of RNG elsewhere that can screw you over in speedruns, it's just one factor.

[reef zodiac]

I guess that’s fair

I’ve also had at least two 32 heat runs time out in Hades fight due to a 4-sack

[high island]

Hm.

[hard pawn]

[high island]

They timed out because you were too slow to handle a 4-sack. 3-sack or 2-sack would for sure made it easier. But a 4-sack doesn't make 32 Heat unwinnable with TD3.

There's also the fact that you're gambling a bit by taking TD3 if you know you can't make it with a 4-sack.

But you get to take off 3 Heat elsewhere.

[reef zodiac]

Oh yeah it’s definitely a skill issue. Still sucks to have happen though

[high island]

TD2 would be better for your first 32s for consistency.

[reef zodiac]

Nah it was just a slow run, probably with Beo (yeah I know that’s a fast aspect but I’m slow asf with it)

[high island]

But that also means you gotta game better because you gotta get 3 Heat from somewhere else.

[reef zodiac]

Yeah I’m keeping TD3 lol

It’s very rare that it’s an issue, but whenever it is, it’s because of a 4-5 sack

Someone give me an aspect to try out. I can’t decide

[raw herald]

The Rama wr used to be a 3-sack, and it was the wr for a number of months

[hard pawn]

Hades spear

[raw herald]

Poor Hades spear

[hard pawn]

Super soaker

Nemmy

[reef zodiac]

I just looked back through my security log and I keep seeing 32 heat attempts with Lucifer lmao I tried like once every single week for months

[raw herald]

Beowulf passion flare snow burst

[reef zodiac]

YES great idea

[raw herald]

32 heat Luci is rough ngl

Barely any i-frames

[hard pawn]

Thats what she said

[cedar nexus]

[reef zodiac]

Super soaker time pog

[high island]

Divine Flourish is your friend.

[reef zodiac]

I love divine flourish on Lucifer

What do you think of ME Luci?

[high island]

Are you asking me specifically or just anyone?

I don't like Merciful End. Never have.

[hard pawn]

Why

Bc it doesn't have

?

[high island]

Merciful End makes you play Merciful End rather than the aspect.

[reef zodiac]

I was asking whoever but you’re probably the best player here so I was definitely curious what you thought

[high island]

It's also too strong for how little thinking is required to make it work.

[reef zodiac]

Alright fair enough

[raw herald]

Well, maybe not on arthur

[reef zodiac]

I’m an ME fan myself

[hard pawn]

It would work

Yeah

[raw herald]

ME is really strong, and I've grown to like it

But it sucks if you don't get ME of course

[high island]

The fact that ME on Excalibur is still one of the best builds for DPS on it says a lot.

[reef zodiac]

I ran I good amount of Me Lucifer but I can’t tell if it’s better than lightning strike Lucifer

[raw herald]

Says a lot about Excalibur rather than ME itself

[raw herald]

It's absolutely not

[hard pawn]

When the final finishing line is possibly kind enough to show mercy

[high island]

ME is literally the same thing on every aspect and strong on all of them.

[raw herald]

It does way better on aspects that can dash strike really quickly/aspects who's base kits do really well in early biomes

[hard pawn]

Good

[inland cipher]

guys guys guys wtf i just opened the game and all save slots are empty hello wtf ?

i lost all progress

[high island]

255 damage Empowered Shots in Tartarus. That's the damage cap, right?

[high island]

Check #h1-tech-fixes, and if you can't find anything, ask for help in #h1-tech-support.

[inland cipher]

wtf i just tried to screenshot with shadow play and it crashed

[reef zodiac]

What’s the funniest build you’ve ever had? For me it was probably Achilles Crystal beam with mirage shot, glacial glare, Arctic blast, and Crystal clarity

[raw herald]

Chaos shield with dashing flight and explosive return

And sea storm

[high island]

That would also go to #h1-tech-support. I can't help with that, m afraid.

[inland cipher]

ok ty

[high island]

They're super helpful there.

[brisk trail]

poseidon n0!
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/793981331436208138/870645906557505577/1145360_20210729152520_1.png?width=927&height=521

[wise oasis]

Do the ghost like weapons the souls in elysium leave when they die do anything?

[faint moon]

I think they determine what kind of Exalted a soul becomes when it tries to respawn

[high island]

They tell you what enemy type will respawn if a naked shade gets to revive there.

[faint moon]

(same thought, oops) 🙈

[wise oasis]

oh ok thanks!

[brisk trail]

are they really called naked shades haha

[hard pawn]

I call them eyeball babies

[high island]

That's their name in the game's code. They don't have a canon name.

Well.

ShadeNaked

[small parrot]

Aren't they technically always naked? They're ghosts.

[raw herald]

I call all unarmoured enemies naked

[small parrot]

One could say they're naked in a combatant's sense, IE: they've been disarmed

[high island]

ShadeNaked, ShadeSword, etc.

[small parrot]

Checks out

[wise oasis]

maxed aphrodite affinity, am I doing it right?

[high island]

Absolutely!

If you've forged a bond with Lady Aphrodite and get the Disciple of Aphrodite run clear message, that's the true ending!

[reef zodiac]

Am I the only one that always buys Ignited Ichor from every single well?

[high island]

Ichor is great.

[raw herald]

Especially if you have rush delivery

[faint moon]

Great value for such a low price~

[reef zodiac]

I’d say medium value but still fun

[raw herald]

Isn't it like 10 gold? Easy purchase

[high island]

It's like here's a practically free Lord Hermes boon for 8 encounters and any free rooms inbetween.

[reef zodiac]

For only 10 gold too

[high island]

Yes.

[raw herald]

I took hourglass in one of my recent PBs and at one point I had 3 ichors with epic rush delivery

[robust scaffold]

oh that item

i love it

[high island]

"Practically free".

Boneless Hourglass is so good.

[robust scaffold]

sometime i skip shops tho cos i want to save time

[raw herald]

And then you get to the next shop with 147 gold

[reef zodiac]

I slept on hourglass for so long

Hourglass is goated

[raw herald]

Shops save time?

[high island]

That sounds uncomfortable. Why would you do that to yourself?

They mean Wells of Charon.

[robust scaffold]

the shop in which u buy the 10 gold item

[raw herald]

Ah.

[high island]

They're worth checking out more often than not in both IGT and RTA.

[robust scaffold]

oo okay

[small parrot]

Ichor is great

[robust scaffold]

sometimes those wells are the opposite side of the chamber

[raw herald]

Definitely igt. Probably RTA if you are running a cast wep

[robust scaffold]

which makes it really bad :(

[small parrot]

Even if you don't have Rush Delivery, that bit of extra MS can make all the difference

[high island]

Light of Ixion is huge for RTA for any aspect.

Nail of Talos is global damage to armor.

And you almost always want at least one of the Jerkies.

But you should know beforehand if your money is better saved for a shop when you run RTA.

[raw herald]

Braids and stones are also amazing

[small parrot]

RTA?

[high island]

Depending on aspect, yeah.

[raw herald]

Real time attack

[high island]

Real time action.

Woops, yeah that.

[robust scaffold]

woah

real time attack sounds sick

[raw herald]

Basically speedrunning, but you have to be quick in menus as well

[reef zodiac]

I was using water gun and my damage was pretty weak. Picked up Sea Storm and… well every enemy is melting

[high island]

And make sure you end the last enemy wave close to the Well. If you need to travel back to Well, you're probably wasting time.

[high island]

Yup, that's the build. Now you just need Static Discharge if you don't have it yet.

[reef zodiac]

What I need is breaking wave

[high island]

In RTA, I almost always buy out a Well without looking if I can afford it.

[raw herald]

And then you get centaur soul

And lose high confidence

[wise oasis]

13:49 just reached hades, sub 14 time :D ez

[high island]

Ah yes, just get Hades fight WR.

[wise oasis]

Ok bad news

I did not get the sub 14

[high island]

Good boon, though.

[raw herald]

You'd need forced overtime 10 or something to do that

[robust scaffold]

ud get a sub 14 time but ud lose :p

[raw herald]

You'd get sub 0 HP

[robust scaffold]

zag dying sounds

[high island]

How much HP does sub 0 have?

[robust scaffold]

if i had to guess, it would be less than zero

[high island]

151,603 in Mortal Kombat Mobile.

I'll take that.

[shadow kernel]

What is the maximum dodge chance you can get

[high island]

100%.

[shadow kernel]

WHAT

No way

[raw herald]

But not all the time

[inner geyser]

Off topic but why aren’t people in the surface who have access to the underworld unbelievably rich?

The most common fish up there sells for an ambrosia down in the underworld

[high island]

They're extremely rare in the Underworld, naturally.

[wise oasis]

it sells for an abrosia in the underworld because it's super rare there, but its common at the surface

so different prices

[high island]

There's one person who takes them to the Underworld, and that's Zagreus.

[inner geyser]

That’s what I’m saying

[high island]

There's also no one on the surface who has access to the Underworld unless they die, so...

[inner geyser]

Except for gods

[cedar nexus]

I'm doing nemesis run should I pick flurry, breaching or cursed slash?

[inner geyser]

There’s many in the underworld who aren’t bound to it

[high island]

The Olympians have all the Ambrosia they could want up on Olympus.

[wise oasis]

Id say breaching

[raw herald]

Breaching

[cedar nexus]

Okay

[inner geyser]

I like like cursed for low heat survivabilty but it ends up being a burden in mid - high heats

[raw herald]

Assuming you are doing special -> 2 dash strikes repeat

[shadow kernel]

Hoarding slash builds >>>>

[wise oasis]

exploding launcher or chain skewer?

[raw herald]

What aspect

Actually it's always exploding tbh

[high island]

Yeah, I was about to say lol.

[raw herald]

I thought you said charged skewer

[high island]

Exploding Launcher is way better for DPS.

[inner geyser]

Charged skewer is best for guan Yu hands down

[raw herald]

Absolutely

[cedar nexus]

I'm on 3 heat

[high island]

You can make some fun Chain Skewer builds, though.

[wise oasis]

On zag aspect

gonna do kaboom then ty

[high island]

Not good builds, relatively.

But fun.

[wise oasis]

Im terrible with and dont like spear very much, so I run chain/exploding for fun

just want some more blood

[raw herald]

I enjoyed chain skewer a lot back in the day, especially with doom on special

But now I don't really

[high island]

That's a bit of a shame.

I like doing builds like just for fun sometimes just to see how to make the most of it.

Rather than always just trying for optimal builds.

[manic bobcat]

Damn I missed what happened here at 3 AM xD

[high island]

I've done those so many times already.

[shadow kernel]

I find chain skewer and ricochet bullet really inconsistent but maybe I just use them wrong

They often miss enemies on the ricochet

[raw herald]

Ricochet fire is really good on Hestia

[high island]

Ricochet Fire is amazing on Hestia. It's kind of whatever on the other rails.

[manic bobcat]

Yeah that's where I ever pick it

[shadow kernel]

It’s really good but sometimes the bullets just bounce off and don’t hit nearby enemies

[manic bobcat]

Because Zeus is a better ricochet xD

[high island]

It's really bad on Lucifer because you can't get it.

[manic bobcat]

What if it's sleeper OP but we don't know that?

[high island]

It might be.

[shadow kernel]

What is the worst aspect in the game for speedrunning

[raw herald]

Arthur, Gilgamesh, rama

[high island]

Excalipoor.

[raw herald]

All aspects have gone sub 7 though

[shadow kernel]

Gilgamesh?

I’d have thought extra dashes helps

[raw herald]

Nope, they can't be spammed

[manic bobcat]

Not Zag Sword because it gives movement speed which is good for speedrunning

[stuck sentinel]

zag spear just seems bad for everything

[raw herald]

At least it has flurry jab

[high island]

Zag Spear can get Flurry Jab.

So it's potentially top tier.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[raw herald]

If it didn't, then theres no way it could get sub 7

[reef zodiac]

Does double strike apply to sea storm?

[small parrot]

Wait, how is Gil bad for Speedrunning?

[raw herald]

Clunky attack, maim doesn't do much compared to other global buffs, short dashes can't be spammed

[small parrot]

Ah

[manic bobcat]

Because Gil is the red headed stepchild of the fists family

[high island]

It nerfs your dashes and your Dash-Attack damage with nothing to make up for it, pretty much.

[small parrot]

oof

[shadow kernel]

Is there a dash only speedrun category

[raw herald]

It's the best for dash% but that's a meme category

[reef zodiac]

Does double strike apply to sea storm?

[raw herald]

Sub 9 has been achieved I think

[raw herald]

I think it does?

[shadow kernel]

Dash builds can be kinda insane

[high island]

Most top players generally consider Gilgamesh to be the worst aspect in the game. Which.. might not be true tbh but it's just bad at whatever it's trying to be, and I think most of us are just very disappointed by it?

[shadow kernel]

Buffs????

[reef zodiac]

If it does then it’s amazing for me rn, if it doesn’t then it’s actually borderline useless

[high island]

I don't think Double Strike works, but Splitting Bolt does for sure.

[shadow kernel]

Does Poseidon legendary make sea storm activate twice

[reef zodiac]

Alright thx

[high island]

Yes.

[raw herald]

Yes, we didn't use to think it did, but it does lol

[shadow kernel]

Oh man

[raw herald]

It's literally the only use for it

[reef zodiac]

Not so useless after all then

It’s definitely a really funny boon

[raw herald]

Ping pong: Hades edition

[high island]

Who is "we"? I think most of us who played in Early Access knew that it worked.

[raw herald]

Ummm, cgull? That's it lol

[manic bobcat]

Seagull stop it now.

[high island]

cgull didn't even believe it didn't work, just that from what he saw in the code it seemed that it didn't, but he hadn't come around to really looking into it yet.

Pretty sure.

But people read what he said as "it doesn't work," and it spread from there, probably.

lol.

[robust scaffold]

i knew it

believed in the power of water

[cedar nexus]

Dad had like 1% health left

[manic bobcat]

Then just kill him lol

[cedar nexus]

It's so hard to dodge rays

[cedar nexus]

[robust scaffold]

stay near the rock

[cedar nexus]

I know

[robust scaffold]

or go inside him :p

[high island]

Do you think he got a Close Call, Though run clear message?

[robust scaffold]

its okay ull get him next time

[small parrot]

Random

[robust scaffold]

hades likes playing on 64 heat since its easy

[small parrot]

I want an Aspect of Simho

I think I spelled that right

For the Rail

[robust scaffold]

whats that

[hard pawn]

Sim-who?

[robust scaffold]

oh i rmb

that sniper from ww2 no

[small parrot]

The White Death

Yep

[robust scaffold]

lol

[small parrot]

Highest number of recorded kills from a sniper.

Wanna see what the Rail would be like as a slow-fire type deal

[robust scaffold]

i saw that there was also a female sniper from soviet union who was really good too

forgot her name tho

hestia but stronger heh

[hard pawn]

Slow-fire lol

[high island]

There's a female sniper in Hades who's streaking mirrorless easy peasy.

We should have an aspect named after her.

[robust scaffold]

[small parrot]

Give it natural piercing. So it's all about timing your shots and good positioning

I dunno

[hard pawn]

I didn't know atticor was a chick

[small parrot]

Like I said

Random

[hard pawn]

No I meant the term u used lol

[small parrot]

[reef zodiac]

I wish spread fire zag rail was its own aspect so I didn’t have to reset hundreds of times to get the right hammer

[robust scaffold]

there should be a mod for it :p

[reef zodiac]

I play on switch so that wouldn’t do me a lot of good lol

[robust scaffold]

oooof

wait u play hk on switch too right

[reef zodiac]

I could swap to PC for it but I don’t care enough to hook my Pc up to my projector

[reef zodiac]

Yep

[robust scaffold]

icic

[small parrot]

Like, Shotgun-style Rail?
Deals damage in a cone, but experiences falloff based on distance?

That'd be interesting

[reef zodiac]

I agree

We should get 5th aspect dlc

[robust scaffold]

sadly it will never happen :(

[reef zodiac]

Yeah

[small parrot]

It'd be great. But not gonna cross my fingers

Not like we already don't have huge list of stuff to do

I still need to max out my Bonds

[reef zodiac]

Has SG confirmed no more content coming to Hades?

[robust scaffold]

im not sure, but nyaanyaa or some mod probably has a message somewhere about it

pretty much no chance of more content i think

[high island]

Check #hades-patch-notes.

[robust scaffold]

wow that was only 2 days ago

thats surprising

[high island]

They're coming back from vacation, or have come back from vacation.

So they must have discussed their next steps, I guess.

[robust scaffold]

mm

[reef zodiac]

Unrelated, have you guys ever messed around in the courtyard with casts? You can load a whole bunch of them into your Hera bow and insta kill Skelly to leave like 15 bloodstones on the ground

It’s kinda fun

[robust scaffold]

ive loaded it a few times, but not to that extent

[reef zodiac]

Also with Beo, you can end up walking around while bloodstones are just pouring out of you

[robust scaffold]

thats kinda cool heh

since the animation is kinda long

[reef zodiac]

I wonder how many you could possibly get

My lifetime darkness just hit 100K for this file!

[robust scaffold]

woah nice

not that it matters at this point

[brisk trail]

isn't that a hammer upgrade?

minus the falloff

[small parrot]

Spread Fire. No falloff, and the cone is practically kissing distance

[reef zodiac]

But I want to be a sigma one

[brisk trail]

sounds like a shotgun

[polar root]

spreadfire pretty meh

[high island]

Scrap Musket from Bastion.

[polar root]

i mean

yeah

[reef zodiac]

Yeah but I have to reset so many times to get it and all I want to do is play with spread fire zag rail

[brisk trail]

is anything supposed to happen when you've fulfilled all prophecies?

[robust scaffold]

im not gonna even begin that part lol

if i start ill be compelled to finish it

[reef zodiac]

Also I need the 25K darkness theme but I keep spending it at the resource director

[robust scaffold]

[reef zodiac]

I just can’t stop myself

[robust scaffold]

oh my

[reef zodiac]

Triple beam super soaker is so much fun

[robust scaffold]

theres a triple shot for rail?

[reef zodiac]

Just Lucifer

[robust scaffold]

oo cool

[reef zodiac]

It’s not that good I don’t think

But it’s really fun, especially on super soaker

[robust scaffold]

oh i assume it doesnt stack like triple shot rama then

[reef zodiac]

No it does not

[robust scaffold]

thats a shame

okay i should sleep now good night

[high island]

All of the hammers for Lucifer Aspect are really good.

[reef zodiac]

Even Eternal Chamber?

[high island]

Yes.

Might be the one aspect that has like only good hammers.

[reef zodiac]

I mean you need a specific attack boon to make EC good though

[reef zodiac]

Yeah that’s my favorite thing about Lucifer

[high island]

Not necessarily, no.

I mean just the fact alone that you don't have to reload anymore is decent for survivability.

[small parrot]

Huh

[reef zodiac]

If I have something like Aphrodite attack, eternal chamber is gonna handicap my damage output

[small parrot]

Then what to build for EC Lucifer?

[high island]

Most of your DPS will be from Special anyway.

[high island]

Lightning Strike or Drunken Strike, ideally.

[small parrot]

ah

So normal Rail then

[reef zodiac]

Drunken Beam!

[high island]

Pretty much. Lucifer Aspect is still a rail.

[reef zodiac]

I gotta do more Lucifer runs. Every different beam is cool in its own way

[small parrot]

You just get the Hellfire Special

The special is kinda hard to aim with Keyboard, though

[reef zodiac]

Triple bomb on Lucifer is absurd

[small parrot]

So I stick with Eris

[reef zodiac]

Can’t go wrong with Eris

[small parrot]

Ah [bleep]

Defender is borking things out

[stuck sentinel]

can you get cluster bomb on lucifer?

[manic bobcat]

dont think so

[high island]

No.

[small parrot]

Makes sense

[high island]

Best hammer is Triple Bomb. You can get that.

[small parrot]

It'd be kinda absurd on Lucifer

[polar root]

madness

[small parrot]

It'd be positively eschatonian

[raw herald]

Triple bomb Lucifer makes the special more than 3 times better imo

[small parrot]

Yep

If three bombs is better than 3x with Lucifer

Imagine five

[hard pawn]

Burger

[polar root]

borgir

[small parrot]

borgir

[hard pawn]

If olympians would eat borgars

[polar root]

Bet

[hard pawn]

What would their favourite borgars be

[polar root]

ham?

[hard pawn]

Individually

[small parrot]

Something with lots of veggies for Persephone, no doubt

[hard pawn]

I feel like zag would like a lot if ketchup if you know what I mean

[polar root]

yeah mum is health conscious

[brisk trail]

i don't know what you mean

[polar root]

anyway,