It’s not
#h1-discussion
reef zodiac
stable glen
Sharp shadow screws you over in some places, right?
hard pawn
Wdym sharp shadow is the best 
reef zodiac
It happens every day with regulars
stable glen
I remember I forgot to take it off in white palace and oh boy
robust scaffold
even if it isnt, i dont care about those kinds of discussions anyway
its so dumb so i just do something else
reef zodiac
Sharp shadow screws you over in some places, right?
It’s two notches and does almost nothing lmao. But that’s not something that belongs in #h1-discussion lmao
I have two questions about Gilagamesh ME:
- Do I start with Athena special or Ares attack? (Or divine dash even??)
- Do I want ruthless reflex?
high island
So like, you have base +80% for the very first boon, Heartbreak Flourish. Base is the value at Lv.1 common.
PomValue is 0.4. So the very first pom adds 0.4 or 40% of those 80%. That means the first pom will add 32% (because 80% * 0.4 = 32%). Lv.2 common is +112 (because 80% + 32% = 112%)
PomDecay is 0.7. That means the next pom after that is only worth 0.7 or 70% of the previous pom. And so on.
hard pawn
I saw someone in here yesterday w <100 messages on this server trying to direct other long term members to other channels because of topic
Thought it was hilarious
stable glen
so pom 1 is 40% of the rarity base or the common base?
reef zodiac
I saw someone in here yesterday w <100 messages on this server trying to direct ...
I saw someone yesterday do that but it wasn’t because offtopic, it was because they felt invalidated by use talking about higher heat and wanted us to more to the high heat channel. Is that what you’re referring to?
stable glen
so pom 1 is 40% and pom 2 is 70% of 40% and pom 3 is 70% of 70$ of 40%?
high island
Yes.
stable glen
I saw someone yesterday do that but it wasn’t because offtopic, it was because t...
LMFAOAOAOAOAOAO
high island
Eventually, there's a point where poms no longer decay, but those points aren't listed on the sheet and can be different for different boons.
stable glen
I mean unless it was #h1-for-new-players that's unnecessary
reef zodiac
It was not, it was right here
hard pawn
I saw someone yesterday do that but it wasn’t because offtopic, it was because t...
I dont think so
Lemme check
reef zodiac
I dont think so
They said they felt like they at weren’t welcome here because we were talking about high heat and their highest was 8
hard pawn
This message
reef zodiac
Ah ok so same person different example
robust scaffold
oo
thorn marsh
I have two questions about Gilagamesh ME:
1. Do I start with Athena special or A...
ares attack doom rarity is important
reef zodiac
Yeah I noticed
thorn marsh
I have two questions about Gilagamesh ME:
1. Do I start with Athena special or A...
ruthless is preference imo
stable glen
I'll say it right now and I stand by this, talking in the wrong channel is like jay walking, if everyone is doing it then it's not a big deal, but if someone joins with something on topic, you should switch topic or go elsewhere
reef zodiac
Yeah that’s a good take
Although for this channel, as long as it is Hades related, I feel like it all belongs here
hard pawn
reef zodiac
This isn’t “Hades-at-low-mid-heat-not discussing-builds-or-the-story-discussion”
uncut dagger
This isn’t “Hades-at-low-mid-heat-not discussing-builds-or-the-story-discussion”
I mean, I don't wanna stop you here, but in the description for this channel, it says "Hop over to #h1-story-discussion or #h1-builds-and-combat to dive into specifics!"
stable glen
I mean, I don't wanna stop you here, but in the description for this channel, it...
We were all talking about hardcore numbers 5 minutes ago so...
reef zodiac
True but then what’s this channel even for
uncut dagger
We were all talking about hardcore numbers 5 minutes ago so...
sorry I just got here
robust scaffold
its for general stuff
stable glen
True but then what’s this channel even for
"Hi i like hades, pretty cool game"
cedar nexus
I JUST NOTICED THAT CHTONIC KEYS HAVE MOVING EYES
uncut dagger
True but then what’s this channel even for
everything in between
stable glen
WHAT
robust scaffold
so its for everything
cedar nexus
ON THE HANDLE
stable glen
everything in between
WHAT
thorn marsh
what's the best attack for a aphro hera build
crush shot?
thorn marsh
arty
uncut dagger
I JUST NOTICED THAT CHTONIC KEYS HAVE MOVING EYES
oh yeah, they do
stable glen
if that's what you were asking about
uncut dagger
that's a pretty cool gamer fact
thorn marsh
artemis is good with the good hammers and its a mirage prereq
stable glen
Ah sheeeeet I forgot about mirage
thorn marsh
opens up HR which can do some work
granite ether
dio cast on hera is great with heavy pom investment
stable glen
do I force artemis
cedar nexus
crush shot
im literally doing a crush shot hera run rn
stable glen
me too
stable glen
do I force artemis
or demeter
thorn marsh
or demeter
hammer?
cedar nexus
dio cast on hera is great with heavy pom investment
everyone have been convincing me that aphro better than dio on hera
stable glen
What am i looking for?
thorn marsh
triple twin flurry
stable glen
Wait, the cast damage affects it?
thorn marsh
?
stable glen
For the triple one
thorn marsh
huh?
stable glen
Does it apply cast damage everywhere or just in the middle
thorn marsh
in the middle
stable glen
okay
high island
lol one time in Early Access, some of the other players who were just starting to figure out high heat with me were laughing at "Icebox" who was trying to explain to them why some of the boons they were dismissing as bad were actually very good at high heat... when only 4 or 5 players had done 40+ yet at the time (and not one of them), and the top 3 were Wriste13 at 48 Heat, Haelian at 47 Heat, and Daddy DeGrand at 46 Heat.... and "Icebox" was Daddy DeGrand.
I facepalmed a lot reading that chat.
reef zodiac
That’s the HK server except literally 10 times a day
hard pawn
Ye
vapid narwhal
twinshot anyday
high island
I don't even know what bow that is, but the answer is yes.
reef zodiac
Hera I think
stable glen
Hera
high island
Always yes on that screen.
thorn marsh
twin
high island
It's literally double base damage.
vapid narwhal
quite literally doubles your damage
stable glen
I used to take perfect shot
vapid narwhal
reliable no effort double damage > power shot
high island
Base damage scales with boons. % damage from Perfect Shot doesn't.
thorn marsh
@high island what do u think about twin vs triple vs flurry?
vapid narwhal
you are always dash striking anyway
sand wraith
I just realized that some REALLY good players are on this server, like, that took some time to dawn on me
high island
<@!311477984886521856> what do u think about twin vs triple vs flurry?
Yes.
thorn marsh
are u playing shadow?
stable glen
DD is tempting
stable glen
are u playing shadow?
fiery
vapid narwhal
divine dash
stark marlin
no brainier
high island
Dash is fine.
stark marlin
Dash every day of the week 😄
thorn marsh
you'd prefer for no pommable like sure footing
vapid narwhal
both dash and call are fine, but if you have to ask about them, take dash
thorn marsh
so it doesnt get in the way of crush shot stonks
high island
I like Flurry > Twin > Triple for Hera first hammer, I think? But honestly it depends on my mood.
reef zodiac
Base damage scales with boons. % damage from Perfect Shot doesn't.
Wait seriously? That sucks! Is that the same for the other bow hammers like sniper shot?
stable glen
Idk, I like athenas aid but sure, getting tidal dash is kinda unlikely
high island
Sniper Shot does literally nothing for 99% of your shots.
It doesn't scale with anything. 
stable glen
@thorn marsh Should I force demeter or artemis tho
vapid narwhal
flurry is good on hera yeah
reef zodiac
I never used it to begin with but wow that’s absolutely worthless
high island
Actually, Triple is really good for AOE in Tartarus, so m tempted more into Triple in Tartarus recently.
thorn marsh
im
im contemplating triple vs flurry
because i really like oneshotting unarmoured witches with HC + fiery without having to powershot with flurry
stable glen
Wait for triple shot
thorn marsh
it feels like so much power
high island
That answer is it probably doesn't matter.
stable glen
You can just shotgun it right?
high island
Like.
stable glen
All 3 shots into 1 fat target
high island
It might make some difference, but rooms are gonna matter more for speed.
high island
All 3 shots into 1 fat target
Yes.
stable glen
okay
thorn marsh
All 3 shots into 1 fat target
aka a boss
stable glen
or those fat dudes in tartarus
hard pawn
Dude I am so bad at speedrunning lmao 5:37 asphodel finish 
thorn marsh
5:37 is fine
high island
What's your PB?
hard pawn
Like 11 smth
high island
You can beat that with 5:37. Still on pace.
high island
Well, for a speedrun, it's not.
thorn marsh
well
i feel like a decent time for speedrunning is subjective
like a 5:37 for someone else is just pure ass and a reset
but for someone else it could be p good pace to beat their current pb
stable glen
Well, for a speedrun, it's not.
For a beginner, it is pretty good
hard pawn
Does GH proc rush delivery universally
thorn marsh
yeah but its not better than hyper delivery
thorn marsh
are u a pride gamer @stable glen
raw herald
I've gotten runs that were nearly sub 9 off of mid 5 exits, it all depends on how good your Elysium is
thorn marsh
I've gotten runs that were nearly sub 9 off of mid 5 exits, it all depends on ho...
dont u mention that accursed region
high island
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/527247562160209940/869500379610628096/unk...
Roll for Snow Burst if you don't have Snow Burst yet.
thorn marsh
id keep the epic rav will tbh
stable glen
are u a pride gamer <@!525460002266152971>
A pride gamer?
thorn marsh
do u use gods pride?
thorn marsh
a pride gamer
stable glen
do u use gods pride?
Yes god's legacy is useless
thorn marsh
well it can be but that wasnt the way i was using it
hard pawn
I'm both types of pride gamer 
raw herald
It's more consistent, but gods pride will be awesome if everything goes to plan
thorn marsh
i myself am a pride gamer
raw herald
I only use legacy on non-flood flare Beowulf
thorn marsh
epic chaos cast damage kinda bonkers
stable glen
*epic chaos cast damage kinda bonkers*
yes
thorn marsh
ah
stable glen
legacy is useless
thorn marsh
ur doing the shroom strat @raw herald
raw herald
I do love my Tartarus mirage shots
hard pawn
8:19 elysium sadge
raw herald
Still PBable if you get no rats o' clock
thorn marsh
8:19 can sub 11
raw herald
Do you have a cast? If so which one
thorn marsh
although i can forget what can do what
hard pawn
LP
thorn marsh
@hard pawn what are u playing?
hard pawn
Banana
high island
For a beginner, it is pretty good
Yeah, but Seraph said speedrunning. 5:30ish Asphodel exit is an 11:00 pace. 11:00 is 24th percentile on the speedrun leaderboard. That's the bottom quarter.
stable glen
Yeah, but Seraph said speedrunning. 5:30ish Asphodel exit is an 11:00 pace. 11:0...
oh wow y'all fast
hard pawn
U dont have to rub it in
thorn marsh
U dont have to rub it in
aye i can send u some screenshots to really drive it home
hard pawn
wdym
raw herald
Remember, people that submit their runs are trying to be really quick
high island
U dont have to rub it in
It's fine, you're just getting started. I just want you to set your goals high because I believe in you.
high island
Also, people submit their best times, not their average times.
thorn marsh
dont get discouraged by how many times u dont make it to styx after being on sub 8 pace out of asphodel!!!!!!!!!!!!!
river vigil
go seraph, i cant do speedruns but ik u can
thorn marsh
(totally not saying that from experience 
)
river vigil
dont get discouraged by how many times u dont make it to styx after being on sub...
lmao
hard pawn
Yeah speedrun harder than heat for me
stable glen
high island
Speedruns are good practice for high heat.
hard pawn
Lol I died
raw herald
Oof
stable glen
Clean kill or roll for exit wounds?
raw herald
That is definitely an Achilles spear moment
river vigil
Yeah speedrun harder than heat for me
tbh same here, i can only do 32 on some weapons but speedrun sucks for some reason probs i just suck
thorn marsh
hunters mark?
raw herald
Clean kill or roll for exit wounds?
Take PP or marked
thorn marsh
u definitely dont roll that
stable glen
Really
raw herald
Yep
thorn marsh
goods boons are right in front of u
stable glen
PP it is
high island
Top speedrunners are excellent at high heat. But your average speedrunner will struggle about as much at high heat as your average high heat runner will struggle in speedruns.
brisk trail
hehe pp
raw herald
Only take exit wounds if you have quick reload from Hermes, and even then PP or marked is better
stable glen
Only take exit wounds if you have quick reload from Hermes, and even then PP or ...
trying to get quick reload
thorn marsh
i roll exit wounds for mirage on pride gaming LOL
high island
Hunter's Mark > Pressure Points if you have Deadly Strike. Pressure Points is great when you have Hunter's Mark but doesn't do all that much without it.
And Pressure Points poms don't matter very much.
Hunter's Mark poms are great.
thorn marsh
w a t
high island
Greatest Reflex.
raw herald
+3 dashes is equivalent to epic RD on many weapons, and you only need one boon for it
raw herald
Isn't seraph running Achilles?
hard pawn
I am using banana
thorn marsh
OH
hard pawn
Lol
high island
The pick on Hera is still dashes.
thorn marsh
w h y
thorn marsh
who cares if move quick ill just get +movement from chaos Kappa
raw herald
Lol
hard pawn
Razor or typhoon
thorn marsh
no bwave?
hard pawn
No
stable glen
Snow burst interferes with blown kiss, right...
raw herald
What rarity is shoals?
hard pawn
Both are rare
high island
Razor Shoals, easy pick.
raw herald
I'd take shoals. Typhoon's fury isn't that great
thorn marsh
shaols gets more value
high island
Snow burst interferes with blown kiss, right...
Sometimes. Not a reason not to get both.
The AOE alone from Blown Kiss is worth it.
hard pawn
2:21 tart
high island
That's sub 10 pace or much faster, potentially. Keep it up.
stable glen
Okay, I thought I screwed up by getting snow bursy
thorn marsh
😬
high island
I got snowburst
Nice.
hard pawn
Purple GH or common HS
high island
Oh Haste.
high island
Hyper Sprint, yes.
thorn marsh
> ~~~Hera~~Achilles Lover — Today at 11:02 AM
> u never screw up by getting snow...
i meant on cast wep
high island
Exactly. Achilles Aspect is a Cast weapon.
high island
Snow Burst is fine AOE.
thorn marsh
^
high island
1-3 stacks of Chill make no difference.
hard pawn
4:44
hard pawn
Sigil now yes
high island
What's your build now?
raw herald
That's solid, even a stinky Elysium will put you on PB pace
hard pawn
H mark splash dash flurry
raw herald
Good stuff
thorn marsh
take dad call or acorn or sumthing
high island
Always show Well and build if you want advice for keepsakes.
hard pawn
Sigil it is
thorn marsh
cast wep keepsakes are weird when it gets to elysium i swear
DO I CHECK THE WELL DO I FORCE DEM GYGGGHGH
hard pawn
Trueing
stable glen
cast wep keepsakes are weird when it gets to elysium i swear
the what now
thorn marsh
?
shadow kernel
Wait flurry fire eris is kinda insane
stable glen
Wait flurry fire eris is kinda insane
it is
shadow kernel
2:02 out of Tartarus
raw herald
Keepsakes on cast weapons, that's it
raw herald
2:02 out of Tartarus
Solid pace
thorn marsh
solid pace
high island
I'd only consider Sigil or Hourglass anyway for Elysium if you don't have a Call yet. And Hourglass or something else if you do have a good Call.
raw herald
Any than is a good than
thorn marsh
@high island by following ur reset 2:10 i made it out of tart twice on a 2:08 and a 2:12 and both got barged
; - ;
raw herald
Tis the fate of quick Tartarus'
high island
And sell Call for Sigil if Call is bad.
thorn marsh
2:08 had a literal perfect build
hard pawn
Hmm should I get demeter or athena
shadow kernel
Ok I’m at the mini boss pls no barge
thorn marsh
rare rav will and common snow burst i had a good pommed rare crush shot and extra cast damage plus cast stone
now ur gonna get barged
never discord ur runs
hard pawn
This will probably be for cast
shadow kernel
Witches circle
raw herald
Athena for cast
high island
Did you read through 185's guide?
shadow kernel
EURY OMG
hard pawn
Yea
raw herald
It's for optimised Achilles speedrunning
raw herald
At lernie at 3:06 wtfff
I pray for a quick elysium
hard pawn
7:56
thorn marsh
what the hell happened in that lernie?
shadow kernel
Accidentally equipped Artemis keepsake instead of Poseidon in asphodel
thorn marsh
;-;
raw herald
Vorimed is only the first boon
thorn marsh
; - ;
raw herald
That's a blazing Asphodel considering no tidal
thorn marsh
Vorimed is only the first boon
buddy its the best word i got leave me alone
raw herald
I was contemplating using it as well
hard pawn
Purple rush delivery
raw herald
Holeh nice
thorn marsh
poggies
hard pawn
10:18 new PB
thorn marsh
10:18 new PB
poggers
raw herald
Well done!
stable glen
Nice one!
shadow kernel
Out of elysium at 7:05
stable glen
"Private tutoring"
What's a good hades spear build tho
I still don't know
not ME
been doing too much ME lately
thorn marsh
I pray for a quick elysium
LOOK AT WHAT U DID
hard pawn
Jus watch tail
stable glen
tail?
thorn marsh
tailesque
hard pawn
Tailesque
stable glen
oh
high island
By good Hades spear build... do you mean a Hades spear build that's good or a build that's good for Hades spear?
river vigil
damn yall quick
stable glen
By good Hades spear build... do you mean a Hades spear build that's good or a bu...
A build that's good for hades spear
shadow kernel
I don’t have cluster rockets so it might not be possible
thorn marsh
u dont need clockets to get less than a minute dad fight
clockets arent a necessity at all when going for fast times on eris imo
unless ur going for sub 6 something insane
hard pawn
Sheeeesh
raw herald
Well done! Close one
thorn marsh
nice nice
high island
You'll want Serrated Point or Exploding Launcher. Deadly Strike is good with Passion Dash or Tidal Dash. Passion for Heart Rend, Tidal just for the high base damage. Hunter Dash is fine if you have Serrated Point. Tidal Dash can sometimes push them out of your Dash-Strike with Serrated Point, so you end up not getting all three hits, but the damage is still usually worth it.
shadow kernel
My heart is beating so fast rn
hard pawn
Lol good job
shadow kernel
0 frees in elysium
high island
If you don't have Serrated or Exploding Launcher, pick up a good Cast, so you can Cast between Dash-Strikes.
raw herald
Yes
stable glen
thought so ty
hard pawn
Doesnt hunter dash not give heart rend doe
high island
Best Heart Rend build on Nemesis is Deadly Strike, Heartbreak Flourish, Hunter Dash.
hard pawn
Oop oki
shadow kernel
I wish you could test builds on skelly before your run
thorn marsh
ur specialing so often on nemesis that u get perma weak anyway
high island
I much prefer it this way.
raw herald
Passion dash is a cope but relies on chaos damage
thorn marsh
high island
If you want to test a build, you gotta go out there and get it.
Heart Rend relies on Chaos boons either way.
If you want speed.
Passion Dash poms are great.
raw herald
Chaos boons should be pommable
high island
No ty.
stable glen
I wish you could test builds on skelly before your run
There's a mod for that
raw herald
That wouldn't break cast weapons at all lmao
high island
Imagine trying to pom your Cast, but all you get is +1% from Shot poms. 
shadow kernel
I’m on switch though ;-;
high island
That's fine. The mod is buggy as hell anyway.
stable glen
I’m on switch though ;-;
ooof
shadow kernel
I actually can’t believe I got sub 9
That lernie fight was so slow
And I got 0 frees in elysium
steep bobcat
just finished the last main story mission
shadow kernel
And I was messing up my combat in elysium
steep bobcat
feels good
shadow kernel
just finished the last main story mission
Noice
high island
90% of the time people I saw people find out "new" things with the codex mod, it doesn't actually work if you get the boons normally.
That %age is of course perfectly scientific.
stable glen
90% of the time people I saw people find out "new" things with the codex mod, it...
Really?
Oof
Maybe you can help with this tho
hard pawn
What does that mod do
high island
How could I help? I know nothing about modding Hades lol.
stable glen
I tried phalanx and parting shot on hera, and for some reason, it did the extra damage from the front
is that a bug, or is there a reason for it
shadow kernel
Do I run Stygian if I’m speedrunning Hera
thorn marsh
absolutely N O T
high island
It's probably a bug they couldn't figure out, but that's how it works, apparently.
thorn marsh
I tried phalanx and parting shot on hera, and for some reason, it did the extra ...
phalanx is wide and thicc and can backstab from the front
keen rose
damn
high island
I don't remember the last time I took Phalanx Shot on Hera. Probably sometime in Early Access?
keen rose
was gonna say aspect of gilgamesh is trash af
high island
Maimed Shot, easy pick.
thorn marsh
LOL
shadow kernel
What is the Hera speedrun build
high island
Oh, Chiron.
shadow kernel
Hera lover you must know
thorn marsh
nyaanyaa what have u done
thorn marsh
What is the Hera speedrun build
crush shot
stable glen
nah I didn't chose it yet
shadow kernel
Crush shot Hera sometimes doesn’t work
stable glen
Attack damage is good, but cast is better, but not a cast build
shadow kernel
The casts don’t actually hit them
high island
Roll that.
thorn marsh
crush shot is the best build
keen rose
aspect of gilgamesh might be the worst aspect on all of the weapons
thorn marsh
The casts don’t actually hit them
thats either u missing or blown kiss messing with the hitboxes
high island
Blown Kiss changes the hitbox, but it's still the player who misses the shots.
Yeah, that Assault is fine. Affluence is fine, too. But prophecy.
brisk trail
hello
brisk trail
I saw that Hades has a feedback section
high island
Not anymore.
stable glen
More money leads to more damage, too.
only if I get a butt ton of high level styx poms in shop
high island
That was during Early Access.
brisk trail
damn
high island
They're not actively looking for feedback at the moment.
brisk trail
is there any way to give feedback for the game because I have several ideas that could make the game better if they are still doing updates
high island
Nor working on the game. The staff is mostly on vacation atm, and they'll decide on their next move as a company after that. Which might be more Hades patches or content or might be leaving Hades as is and working on something netirely new instead.
hard pawn
Purple pos aid or hydraulic
high island
Keep an eye out for the test branch, though. In case they're going to make any changes or look for feedback on anything, it would be in the test branch.
brisk trail
id very much like to say some feedback which i think is some good feedback to improve the game
high island
They also have a contact form for feedback and stuff on their website. https://www.supergiantgames.com/contact/
brisk trail
ahh perfect
thorn marsh
Purple pos aid or hydraulic
hydraulic
high island
If you're speedrunning, don't take any Call that's not Zeus' Aid or maybe an Epic Dionysus' Aid.
Pretty much.
high island
You can still sub 10 with that if the build is decent enough.
high island
Sweet Nectar is good.
thorn marsh
sweet nectar is good
brisk trail
@high island I'm gonna discuss my ideas and feedback here to see if there are better ways of my ideas
high island
And get some poms on your Dash.
modern garnet
You goin for heartrend?
stable glen
yep
high island
m not a mod or anything, you don't have to tell me.
modern garnet
I have no idea how good sn is
stable glen
I went with SS, SN is great but it won't make or break a build yk
high island
Please stop using initialisms for everything. I'll stop talking to y'all.
stable glen
YOU GUYS DO IT ALL THE TIME!
modern garnet
I'll do it for you, NM
high island
And def don't use "SS". That's some real 
for anyone from Germany.
stable glen
Oh right LMFAO
brisk trail
so for starters: a really good idea I have is adding a glossary to the Codex for weapon mechanics.
The reason being is even after 20 runs, i had no idea how armor worked, nor did I find any good explanations of certain mechanics i even knew existed, like wall slam, body slam, etc. The fact that I had to rely on an outside source aside from the game to learn, AKA the wiki, underlies the problem with a simple easy fix:
Add a mechanics glossary to the Codex. They already have infernal arms in the codex and a move list in the training area, so adding a glossary would make understanding the game mechanics better
thoughts?
thorn marsh
isnt that kinda already in the game though?
brisk trail
no
thorn marsh
boon selection has these keywords
brisk trail
I havent found it yet
stable glen
Doesn't it explain armor?
thorn marsh
that explain what is
high island
SGG is generally about having you learn the mechanics through gameplay rather than telling you.
brisk trail
SGG?
stable glen
I just finished transistor
modern garnet
I dunno if the game needs a comprehensive explanation of every mechanic
high island
Supergiant Games.
brisk trail
ah
brisk trail
🤔
Okay, then if its in the game, then having a glossary organize it could help improve the aspect
stable glen
Only feature I want is a native way to test boons on skelly
brisk trail
but I see your point
It is more of an accessibility thing that I feel personally could improve the game
and it is not taking anything away
stable glen
It is more of an accessibility thing that I feel personally could improve the ga...
I get what you're saying, but this is the most accessible rougelite out there, period
I think the tool tips on boons and hammers
hard pawn
Omg
shadow kernel
I could understand allowing you to use 3 rerolls to reroll hammer once
hard pawn
Omg omg omg
brisk trail
I get what you're saying, but this is the most accessible rougelite out there, p...
I am not disagreeing with that fact there
stable glen
that explain armor is enough
brisk trail
These are merely just ideas I have to make the game better. You know?
stable glen
Yeah
hard pawn
That was such a cute interaction
stable glen
My favorite interaction was def the ||~~menage a troi ~~||
hard pawn
Meg has you ever loved somebody 🤨 ( 
)
brisk trail
even if a game is great, any game is viable for feedback to improve it
hard pawn
My favorite interaction was def the ||~~menage a troi ~~||
What
high island
The things you find on the wiki are things we figured out in the community. So, I dunno about having anything like a glossary for that. I like figuring out things like that. If everything is explained, there's nothing left for me to discover.
stable glen
||the threesome||
hard pawn
Oh lol
thorn marsh
brisk trail
I see. That therein somewhat lies in the issue: relying on outside sources, but I see what you are saying
brisk trail
If you all could improve accessibility on information within the game, how would you do so?
Please don't say "It's perfect as is" because that is a vague and lazy answer
high island
And you don't need to have any clue about how wall-slams or body-slams work to do even like 50+ Heat, which is well beyond what's required for anything in the game.
brisk trail
uhhh what i mean is
shadow kernel
Dude I’m watching the world record run and I don’t understand what is even happening when they are fighting bosses
brisk trail
Learning within the game itself rather than outside sources
shadow kernel
It’s too fast
raw herald
Dude I’m watching the world record run and I don’t understand what is even happe...
The achilles one or Eris one?
hard pawn
Learning within the game itself rather than outside sources
Still vague
shadow kernel
The achilles one or Eris one?
Achilles
hard pawn
Thats unlucky for you
high island
Well, quite a few of the "outside sources" are from me, so I can't say I relied too much on that. But I def learned a lot in the community.
raw herald
Yes, 185 is incredibly skilled at Achilles. What helps is holding down attack and dashing, instead of button mashing. Extra dashes/rush delivery helps a ton, as well as jolted
brisk trail
so are you saying they intentionally made it like this to promote community interaction?
@high island
high island
You don't need to delve deep until you're going for, like, WR pace in speedruns or pushing high heat records.
thorn marsh
Yes, 185 is incredibly skilled at Achilles. What helps is holding down attack an...
sometimes holding attack can mess u up though
stable glen
And you don't need to have any clue about how wall-slams or body-slams work to d...
Body slams?
raw herald
sometimes holding attack can mess u up though
It's definitely hard to master, but 185 certainly has
shadow kernel
Yes, 185 is incredibly skilled at Achilles. What helps is holding down attack an...
So does he just cast special and then spam dash strike?
modern garnet
What if, whenever zag does a wallslam, he says out loud "woah I just executed a wallslam by hitting an enemy against a wall. I bet the damage this wallslam does will increase in higher biomes!"
brisk trail
under "Wall slams"
thorn marsh
It's definitely hard to master, but 185 certainly has
well
185 has his dash on a face button
thorn marsh
so im not sure if he holds attack
high island
so are you saying they intentionally made it like this to promote community inte...
More like you don't need to know how things work under the hood to get a feel for things and have fun, or do any of the content that's required in the game for any of the rewards.
raw herald
You can still hold attack and dash if both are on face buttons
brisk trail
What if, whenever zag does a wallslam, he says out loud "woah I just executed a ...
Skelly could chime in on this and Zag can make a quip on it, unless Skelly already does this
shadow kernel
I use default controls
high island
The players who are into that kind of depth will figure things out and probably share info with other players who are into that.
And the others just want to pick splash dash because splash dash fun.
Or whatever.
thorn marsh
185 do be mentioning button mashing instead of holding incase u mess up with ur specials
raw herald
There are plenty of top speedrunners that don't really know the mechanics too well
stable glen
I don't think that knowledge is important tho
and it kinda ruins the immersion
talking bout straight gameplay mechanics
high island
Also.
eternal marlin
For most of Early Access (tbh i don't remember when it came specifically) the Codex didn't even have the compendium of boons. That should speak volumes about SGGs intentions regarding knowing how it works vs experiencing how it works.
brisk trail
@high island where is the link for support and feedback again?
stable glen
Having a built in boon list is a lot farther than most games offer
high island
brisk trail
thanks
I think I discussed it enough here for my feedback
thanks for your all's input
high island
Matter of fact is, the devs probably don't know all the mechanics as well as you might think. There are just way too many interactions in the game.
raw herald
I remember someone at SGG said the fastest that someone from SGG had completed a run was 15 mins
high island
Also, the first time you take Tidal Dash, you don't need to know that wall-slam damage scales with the biome to figure out that Tidal Dash destroys everything in Satyr tunnels.
vapid narwhal
just keep in mind, Hades is very unlikely to receive further refinements and content
consider the game completely done
high island
I think some minor balance changes here and there are still very possible. But yeah, I wouldn't bet on anything.
raw herald
Just need an icy flare buff
high island
I wouldn't mind some love for Gilgamesh.
hard pawn
Mfw no flurry 3 times in a row
high island
No, actually. I'd want higher base damage on the normal Attack, perhaps? And a buff to Maim.
Like, make the normal Attack actually good.
And some love for Ares' Aid.
It's just so sad.
polar root
chaos rng is killing me
high island
And Lady Demeter could use some better damage scaling.
high island
chaos rng is killing me
What are you trying to do?
polar root
shield aspect
cedar nexus
Beowulf has twice the stats of normal aspects what the f
polar root
AAAAAA
polar root
Beowulf has twice the stats of normal aspects what the f
i mean
raw herald
Beowulf is just OP lol
high island
You can't spell Beowulf without OP.
polar root
yeah facts
polar root
is that better?
polar root
Trying to get the phrase, you mean?
yeah
stable glen
god damnit
polar root
its rng right?
stable glen
Why do I keep running em4
polar root
addiction
stable glen
even tho i hate it so much
polar root
to suffer
stable glen
UGH
high island
Yeah, if you meet all the requirements to get the phrase, you just gotta get lucky, I guess.
polar root
sadge
stable glen
I hate how easy hades is on 20 heat (high heat ain't my thing) and how hard EM4 is
just cuz off the double spin
high island
I mean, just don't expect to get it soon and find some other goals to work on in the meantime.
cedar nexus
Rama is kinda balanced
high island
There's probably plenty for you to do.
stable glen
had such a good build but only 165 health
shadow kernel
Also, the first time you take Tidal Dash, you don't need to know that wall-slam ...
I didn’t know that
cedar nexus
It's slow
polar root
practice
cedar nexus
And Arthur
hard pawn
Lucifer
polar root
ah right
polar root
rama so good
high island
Not that that's a problem.
high island
is every hidden aspect chonk dmg?
Gilgamesh is also chonk damage, but to yourself.
hard pawn
Fibally flurry oh my god 5 resets
cedar nexus
Rama is balanced how?
It's slow
brisk trail
I take mental dmg when I have to play gilga 😔
high island
I don't like EM4, either.
stable glen
I don't like EM4, either.
Just the double spin, that's all that ever hits me
Nothing but the double spin
high island
If you're doing EM4, you want to make sure your build is focused on beating EM4 rather than other things.
Well.
stable glen
If you're doing EM4, you want to make sure your build is focused on beating EM4 ...
yeah, you're right, I'll just turn it off then and maybe try 32 heat again
high island
It's just the normal spin twice. If you can i-frame the normal spin, it's the same for the double spin.
stable glen
It's just the normal spin twice. If you can i-frame the normal spin, it's the sa...
I use my dashes to evade the 1st spin, and during that slight cooldown
he spins into me
brisk trail
are you having fo2 on
polar root
Tailesque has a 11:51 with Rama at 50 Heat. That's not what I call slow. <:dusa:...
wow
insanity
cedar nexus
Tailesque has a 11:51 with Rama at 50 Heat. That's not what I call slow. <:dusa:...
Maybe I'm just bad 
brisk trail
rama is crazy yeah
cedar nexus
Most likely
high island
Well, Tailesque has the high heat WR. We're all bad compared to Tailesque.
polar root
i like precision weapon better
cedar nexus
I always get hit while charging my shot on rama
Same
polar root
bow good
stable glen
chiron most fun weapon don't @ me
polar root
almost
hard pawn
In my heart I'd like to think baj's 61 run that got booted would've beat it
polar root
chiron most fun weapon don't @ me
meme beam best build
stable glen
except for eris with zeus attack, tidal dash, the zeus and poseidon legendaries and splitting bolt
with clockets
high island
If you play bow a lot, it's pretty easy to get the hang of Rama quickly.
polar root
mhm
hard pawn
2:15 tart pog
stable glen
If you play bow a lot, it's pretty easy to get the hang of Rama quickly.
I got better, but I'm jut not into it
I really like hera and chiron tho
polar root
2:15 tart pog
wowee
high island
If you don't play bow a lot, it's not gonna be so easy just like learning bow can take awhile.
stable glen
That's true
polar root
bow mains rise up
stable glen
That too
polar root
also zeus shield
brisk trail
I did do my first clear with shield
stable glen
Zeus sheild very strong
hard pawn
Barge sadge
stable glen
I don't like beo tbh
Don't get me wrong
it's very strong
but just not my playstyle
polar root
beo slow 😦 took me a while to learn it
stable glen
I prefer hera
polar root
both will do
high island
I'd say the easiest weapon aspect by far to do well with without much practice is Hestia.
vapid narwhal
just need to get used to the rhythm
stable glen
I picked up eris very quickly
polar root
I picked up eris very quickly
i cant eris 😦
high island
You can do really high heats without ever even figuring out how to use your Special at all, just using Attack and reload.
hard pawn
Purple rush delivery in asphodel les go
polar root
it has no other learning curve whatsoever
get aphro, finish run
polar root
Purple rush delivery in asphodel les go
shiny
vapid narwhal
get artemis, finish run quicker
stable glen
gonna grind chiron till I get bored of chiron again tmrw
vapid narwhal
Eris has the RNG side of you getting used to rocket bomb or no rocket bomb
polar root
if the crit gods bless me
stable glen
and when I get bored of chiron, I go hera
polar root
gonna grind chiron till I get bored of chiron again tmrw
gonna be a while
vapid narwhal
rocket, triple and cluster all change how you approach Eris
high island
There's quite a learning curve if you want to optimize Hestia. But just doing well with it? Not very difficult.
stable glen
may the goddess of the hunt bless my soul
vapid narwhal
Hestia stays the same whatever you have
stable glen
rocket, triple and cluster all change how you approach Eris
clockets barely has a learning curve, it one shots everything, nothing to learn
press one button and whatever is front of you ceases existence
high island
Optimization for all of that requires quite a lot of practice.
stable glen
Getting it work doesn't
high island
Hestia uses Cluster Bomb etc., too.
polar root
mhm
stable glen
Some weapons are hard to pick up from the start
vapid narwhal
yeah especially if you want to go deeper and use something like, Heartrend
polar root
i dont know whats happening most of the time with eris cluster bomb
high island
It's just that you don't have to use it at all just to get results in terms of clears.
stable glen
i dont know whats happening most of the time with eris cluster bomb
me niether
polar root
well
all you need
ezpz
doesnt dad keepsake remove the poison effect?
if you activate it?
wise oasis
It does
hard pawn
7:08 elysium
polar root
SPEEDRUNN
high island
I'd say sub 7 is no longer in the cards.
cedar nexus
I think my favorite aspect is nemesis
polar root
well mine is sub 14
wise oasis
I'd say sub 7 is no longer in the cards.
If they goes fast enough they can probably still get it
polar root
I think my favorite aspect is nemesis
CHONK CRITS
high island
If they goes fast enough they can probably still get it
Yeah, just go faster than light and reverse time?
polar root
massive brain
high island
FTL speedrun in Hades.
high island
But only if you beat an FTL run mid-run.
polar root
Makes timer go backwards
speedrunners will remember that
high island
I think my favorite aspect is nemesis
There are times when I love Nemesis and times when I hate it.
polar root
lucky, i gots 5 sack 😦
cursive bobcat
hey, to get to the story's epilogue I have to have a certain level of affinity with the gods, right?
wise oasis
What's a fast hades fight time?
cursive bobcat
hey, to get to the story's epilogue I have to have a certain level of affinity w...
besides persephone having come home
high island
Yeah. Max affinity with 6 of the Olympians, pretty much.
polar root
calm down now
hard pawn
10.00.29
cursive bobcat
Yeah. Max affinity with 6 of the Olympians, pretty much.
Jesus
polar root
real sadge
polar root
pepehands
polar root
Jesus doesn't count.
imagine hades meets jesus
cursive bobcat
Yeah. Max affinity with 6 of the Olympians, pretty much.
are the maximum levels all the same? or does it vary for each one?
high island
@hard pawn don't be sad, that's a big improvement. 
hard pawn
Come on mannn
cursive bobcat
Jesus doesn't count.
😢
wise oasis
are the maximum levels all the same? or does it vary for each one?
Same amount of hearts needed, but different prerequisites for each one
For the final heart that is
polar root
ambrosia 😦
high island
It's 6 for Lady Demeter, 8 for Lord Hermes, 7 for everyone else.
I never get mad personally when I miss my goal by under a second like that. I just think it's funny somehow.
Helps with the stress.
hard pawn
I'm not acc mad lol
polar root
comedic value
high island
I can get mad if I die to Hades or EM3 at high heat, though.
polar root
that
stable glen
I'm different
high island
Not if I push for a PB.
stable glen
If I die anywhere that's not hades at high heat, i really don't feel bad
high island
But def if it's like "this should be easy for me".
stable glen
something about the feeling of being so close yet missing the mark
high island
I have a lot of pride when it comes to high heat that can sometimes make things stressful.
polar root
high heat, i cant
river vigil
whats considered a "fast tart exit" time?
polar root
imma do things
high island
Depends on your aspect.
river vigil
Depends on your aspect.
demeter? ive been trying to speedrun on that, might switch to eris idk
high island
I don't run ME Demeter, so I don't really know. Tartarus can be a bit slow for ME Demeter, though.
What's your goal with Demeter Aspect, anyway?
Rule of thumb is that every biome takes about the same time.
river vigil
What's your goal with Demeter Aspect, anyway?
sub 10 ig
high island
So if you want sub 10, you want to shoot for about 2:30 per biome.
hard pawn
Asphodel moment
high island
Yeah, but, 5:00 exit is still a good goal for sub 10.
high island
Especially because you're more held back by skill than room RNG etc. if your goal is sub 10.
river vigil
Especially because you're more held back by skill than room RNG etc. if your goa...
i see
stable glen
ty
polar root
can you flood shot with beowulf?
high island
Yeah.
polar root
how good you think?
high island
Well.
Flood Flare.
Flood Flare is better for getting Mirage Shot asap. Passion Flare has way better base damage and pom scaling.
high island
Most of the top speedruns now use Passion Flare, but Flood Flare is still competitive.
polar root
aphro cast stronk
high island
Flood Flare AOE is better, though.
polar root
mhm
brisk trail
should i take flood shot if i'm using eris or reroll and hope for tidal dash
high island
Roll for Dash.
brisk trail
got dash thanks :)
polar root
yay
high island
Yeah, I er.. knew that would work. You're welcome.
hard pawn
Pog 4:09
hard pawn
Ye
polar root
dayum
high island
That's sub 8 pace.
polar root
ezpz
high island
Potentially.
river vigil
god i just got a 3.01 tart
high island
Just keep going, see if you can still get sub 5 Asphodel exit.
It's practice either way.
brisk trail
oh man
cedar nexus
I've been scammmed and lost my steam account 
high island
Is this the Supergiant Games Discord speedrun arc?
polar root
wut
polar root
I've been scammmed and lost my steam account <:CH_CatCry:729251211999445052>
Noooooo
sadge
polar root
unless
brisk trail
i keep forgetting you can't say the f word in here
what i was gonna say is that i kinda screwed myself by taking spread fire before i knew how nice my boons would be
high island
I've been scammmed and lost my steam account <:CH_CatCry:729251211999445052>
You can contact Discord's Trust & Safety team here, and also contact a server moderator if the user was from this server. https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000291932-How-to-Properly-Report-Issues-to-Trust-Safety
As for how to get your Steam account back, there are probably ways to do that if you contact Steam support.
hard pawn
6:27 elysium
polar root
gogogogo
hard pawn
Please lady aphrodite gib 2 sack
high island
cedar nexus
Thx
polar root
thats good right?
river vigil
ig so i can make u tme in elysium
high island
Gonna be hard to sub 10 if you're going at that pace, so keep your expectations low.
hard pawn
9:14 :)