get it for the prophecy tho
#h1-discussion
chrome wharf
plush dock
i only got it for the fates prophecy
chrome wharf
Dio aid. just that.
raw herald
Chiron with heartbreak strike, Dio special and the duo
Pom the special as much as you can, and get global damage
uneven wind
So you get tons of hangover stacks cause of Chiron attack speed
raw herald
Also could get curse of vengeance into curse of nausea
raw herald
On Chiron yes
chrome yoke
Yeah so i didnt get it
raw herald
It can be used on the attack if you use Eris
chrome yoke
After defeating big bull and big ego the crowd cheers Zagreus! Zagreus! right
lmao
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/826796295204372492/867108449909473340/unknown.png
pretty good run so far, now for hades
Died on hades phase 2 :(
austere jacinth
Aww
chrome yoke
Hunting blades is really necessary for a ares cast build
Well, i have my first fated persuasion now so itll be easier
This run is going good.
First room - Flurry Jab
First room - Chaos, +1 Cast stone
Third room - Ares, Slicing shot, epic
raw herald
Paste a discord/imgur link
cedar nexus
I saw speedrunners pausing the game to reroll next chamber rewards
cedar nexus
Paste a discord/imgur link
What's imgur
karmic hare
Hi God
raw herald
It's an image hosting website
cedar nexus
It's an image hosting website
Oh ok
karmic hare
Which God are you or what are you the god of reply in #off-topic-discussion
raw herald
I saw speedrunners pausing the game to reroll next chamber rewards
Those speedruns are likely out of date, current speedruns use fated persuasion which rerolls boons, poms and well items
thorn marsh
i dont agree with this at all
hearty stone
fair enough
raw herald
I mean, it's really hard to make a good tier list because aspects are so different, but tidal dash being D tier is a big no-no tbh
thorn marsh
some of these are just blatantly wrong
hearty stone
some of these are just blatantly wrong
not rly
thorn marsh
https://youtu.be/A9F7XwIE14w
they use persuasion
raw herald
https://youtu.be/A9F7XwIE14w
It doesn't reroll door rewards
hearty stone
whats wrong about it?
thorn marsh
thats pause buffering
raw herald
Too hard to list everything
thorn marsh
pause buffering is when u pause the game to save time while making a decision
raw herald
And I'm not in the mood to say quite frankly 
cedar nexus
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/788543685184585738/863239261968662528/zNe...
Can't agree
thorn marsh
RD shouldnt be in D tier
cedar nexus
It doesn't reroll door rewards
Hmmm idk
hearty stone
its just an opinion 
cedar nexus
I think I saw somewhere
raw herald
Old speedruns used authority, like some of haelians old runs
But nobody uses authority now
cedar nexus
OK OK I must've saw it in old video
hearty stone
what would yall pick for S tier boons just curious
thorn marsh
Divine Dash Tidal dash are pretty easily S tier AND id put Rush Delivery in there as well
hearty stone
i made this a bit ago, hadent actually used RD more than once then, its now in my builds tho i think S tier is a bit high for me
i put it in A
thorn marsh
RD can be a straight up 50% global damage boost
thorn marsh
up to 125%
hearty stone
im not a good gamer this was just my pleb opinions
cedar nexus
Arthur
cedar nexus
I like world splitter
chrome yoke
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/788543685184585738/863239261968662528/zNe...
Certified bruh moment
Jk, everyones opinions are valid
Sunken treasure is pog however
And idk why you put it in F
hearty stone
I just don’t like having a boon that does something one time and never again
thorn marsh
zsee
all hades tierlist cant be completely objective unless u ask the community as a whole
hearty stone
Ye like
hearty stone
It’s not to say Zeus is bad or anything, just not great for my play style
thorn marsh
ACHILLES PLAYERS?
hearty stone
some of these opinions are just pure wrong though
Opinions can’t be wrong… that’s not how they work
thorn marsh
i need to tell someone about the mystical flurry of jabs
hearty stone
thorn marsh
my brain is smooth af
hearty stone
So is mine
thorn marsh
i got no wrinkles
high island
Opinions can be wrong, though. 
thorn marsh
like i mean by sayign that tidal dash being D tier is just wrong
high island
If they're wrong, they're not facts. 
hearty stone
I don’t like knock back it doesn’t fit with how I play
thorn marsh
but that doesnt mean its bad
see what i mean
all hades tierlist are completely subjective even if u try so hard for it not to be
hearty stone
Literally just my opinions on the boons, I’m not saying they’re bad…
BOONS NOT THAT
OH GOT AUTOCORRECT
high island
They are not "completely" subjective, no.
chrome yoke
ARGH, died to hades AGAIN
im having terrible hunting blades RNG
Like i just cant seem to get it anymore
hearty stone
Bruh it was a list based around my play style and how I prefer to build my stuff. I’m not saying anything I say is facts, it’s literally my opinion…
And like I said, it’s not like I think the ones at the bottom are bad, it’s just not what I would use
raw herald
Knockback doesn't fit into my playstyle either, but tidal dash is still S tier because it does a helluva lotta damage
hearty stone
That’s fair enough but it’s not like I have to make my tier list how y’all want it to be
raw herald
I don't like making tier lists tbh, whatever you post will always be criticized
But they can be fun to make
thorn marsh
tier lists are fun
high island
First of all you need to define what makes a boon good or bad or better than another, then you can rate boons based on theory that can rely on both real world data and hypothesis. That's how you can make an objective tier list. Most people don't do either of those with any real rigor, but important also, a lot of people when discussing tiers define good/bad very differently and then never reach any common ground.
If high tier on this tier list means @hearty stone likes it and low tier means he doesn't like it, then it should be a very accurate tier list for that.
But not one you would reference if you were speedrunning.
Unless Surgicalcell222 was also a WR speedrunner, of course.
Then you might.
raw herald
There are very few people on here that have used every boon extensively, so that's why I don't think many people can make an objectively good tierlist. I for one have pretty much never used cold embrace (for example) so I'm not qualified to make a boon tierlist, despite everything else about my achievements ingame
hearty stone
Tbh they are all rly good in their own ways
vale moss
There are very few people on here that have used every boon extensively, so that...
cold embrace kind of gets dunked on, but it's kind of good
not as good as clarity, but kinda good man
but you have to use hera
raw herald
Why would you use Hera over achilles
vale moss
https://lowkey.gg/v/8063b478-1309-4557-9c40-255a6327c083 "your heal has expired"
thorn marsh
why the hell would u use hera for cold embrace
vale moss
because, it's easier to aim it
you can shoot the bow like directly on to enemies and don't have to aim awkwardly by walking around
raw herald
But you deal precisely zero (0) damage 
vale moss
But you deal precisely zero (0) damage <:dusa:522248771409543188>
watch the clip
i wouldn't call that zero (0) damage
thorn marsh
i call that absolutely zero (0) damage compare to crystal clarity
thorn marsh
and if hades just moves ur kinda screwed
vale moss
not really
basically you stand at one end
fire the beams down at the other through hades
and while he's rushing towards you, he's still getting hit
it obviously isn't great, but it's underrated
high island
The problem with something like Cold Embrace is how do you even compare a Duo Boon that requires a specific Cast to something like Deadly Strike, which is tier 1 and a priority boon? And do you make a tier list for every aspect, or do you average out how boons perform on each aspect and take that, but then what value does that even have anymore when it's not applicable to any actual aspect because it's just an average?
raw herald
CE isn't awful, but it requires way more work to do well for not much benefit over CC
vale moss
The problem with something like Cold Embrace is how do you even compare a Duo Bo...
I feel like you could just make one for duo boons, or just core boons, or just legendarys
but you can't make one for all boons
raw herald
The work on that video was done by glacial glare and stygian soul with extra casts, not explicitly CE tbh. But it probably doesn't deserve the hate that it gets
thorn marsh
if its just core boons its just divine dash and tidal dash at s tier and u can just yeet everything else imo
raw herald
but you can't make one for all boons
Duunk0 did, and I thought it was pretty good
thorn marsh
duunk did a pretty good job yeah
vale moss
Duunk0 did, and I thought it was pretty good
well, it's subjective as well
thorn marsh
he explained his reasoning behind each boon
and if u didnt agree u didnt agree
duunk didnt just throw us a tier and say here this goes right there and if u disagree ur W R O N G
vale moss
like, hunting blades vs crystal clarity? personally, I like crystal clarity more because of pomming glacial glare
but you could argue that hunting blades is better, because of pomming vortext
thorn marsh
he explained
vale moss
at the end of the day, they have a similar top end of damage
raw herald
It is subjective, but because duunk0 is a very skilled player, it's widely agreed that the list is good
vale moss
most people think blades is better
i'd go for clarity but yeah
raw herald
They both do loads of damage at the top end, but both require a lot to do this
They are basically the same imo
vale moss
anyway I need to go back to 50 heat beo attempts and after that some 53 hestia attempts
thorn marsh
cc and hd are basically the same imo
uneven wind
sorry if this is off topic
vale moss
also for cast builds i go for arty keepsake first always
uneven wind
but i went chiron with dio special dio boons aphro attack and poseidon call
high island
I don't think Duunk0's was good. There's no clear methology. He doesn't avoid the problem of putting e.g. Deadly Strike and Cold Embrace into the same tier list.
uneven wind
it does so much damage
vale moss
im deadly strike obv s tier
uneven wind
one special and an attack did half of the bone hydra
raw herald
You need to do a different tier list for every aspect
thorn marsh
deadly strike is all dependent on how fast ur attack speed is imo
vale moss
because cold embrace just isn't great, it doesn't do much, and overall is kind of bad
vale moss
deadly strike is all dependent on how fast ur attack speed is imo
not really
vale moss
ok yeah
thorn marsh
like rama can hit like a truck and u can hit like mountain if u crit
same with arthur
vale moss
WAIT
modern garnet
big truck bow
high island
This is one I made for high heat awhile ago for fun. https://i.imgur.com/xWUPvie.png
thorn marsh
its too long nyaa
vale moss
what the-
raw herald
Zeus
uneven wind
Dionysus
thorn marsh
zeus
high island
The gray rows are all individual ratings for boons that depend on certain conditions.
raw herald
Actually Ares' is pretty good
thorn marsh
ares is situational imo
ares legendary is pure situational but when the situation is right its p good yeah
modern garnet
the situation is that all your enemies are standing in a blade sized circle
raw herald
Nvm the situation is that you have hunting blades
thorn marsh
Nvm the situation is that you have hunting blades
booyah
raw herald
I've been bouldy'd
thorn marsh
high island
For example, boons that require Blade Rifts have zero value without Blade Rifts but can have high value if you do have Blade Rifts. It makes no sense to compare Engulfing Vortex to Deadly Strike because if you sell your Slicing Shot, Deadly Strike's value will remain unchanged but Engulfing Vortex will lose all value.
high island
ares is situational imo
All of them are except for Divine Protection.
thorn marsh
divine protection is noice
high island
You can sell every other boon, and Divine Protection will still do its thing.
The only other legendary that does that is Huge Catch, but it has no value in the final chamber.
bright jasper
No value?! It's got a massive increased chance of generating a little sparkly blip that'll reduce my game focus and situational awareness by a run-ending amount!
high island
No value?! It's got a massive increased chance of generating a little sparkly bl...
I actually forgot for a moment that they added fish to the surface in 1.0 lol. I guess it still has value, after all.
vale moss
I actually forgot for a moment that they added fish to the surface in 1.0 lol. I...
huge catch is great
short glen
It would actually have value to me. Would make completing the codex easier
vale moss
i used it across 12 runs to get the chef's text to extend past the top of my screen
chrome yoke
huge catch seems like a joke but is very very cool
vale moss
and to finally complete my codex
high island
But Huge Catch doesn't increase your chance to catch the legendary common fish. So you never see common fish. 
vale moss
But Huge Catch doesn't increase your chance to catch the legendary common fish. ...
but you do
just don't perfect catch lol
chrome yoke
the detail in the game is so amazing
someone hung up a banner for zag 
And i even got a voiceline about it
''That shade over there, have i got a fan?''
high island
but you do
just don't perfect catch lol
I can't.
vale moss
"perfect catching is easy young man, catching is harder"
high island
I look at my second monitor for chat or something and still get perfect catches. 
Maybe if I do that and turn off the sound.
vale moss
I look at my second monitor for chat or something and still get perfect catches....
Oh wait I thought I knew your name from a haelian description
didn't you have the heat wr at some point?
vale moss
nice
high island
With 4 boons. 
hard pawn
Nyaan u have a twitch?
short glen
f I made Hades mods, I'd make meme mods
Aspect of Steve anyone?
The text on the bottom is just "Creeper? Aw man!"
hard pawn
Why do you do this
short glen
I am comedy
vale moss
it's special is an explosive burst, similar to beowulf's flares!
short glen
No wait I got that wrong. my life is a comedy
high island
that ri4 was the meta
It wasn't. RI3 was sort-of meta at 50+. Max Heat was only 58 in Early Access, 57 in normal mode.
But there wasn't really a meta, only 5 of us did 50+.
short glen
I'm the comic relief they beat up for effect
hard pawn
I just tried to speedrun but only got 11:55 lol had insane boons too
Ig am cut our for heat not speedrunnin
vale moss
It wasn't. RI3 was sort-of meta at 50+. Max Heat was only 58 in Early Access, 57...
oh wait were people using ruthless or something?
because the heat wr's from then all only have 1 dash
shadow kernel
11:55 is good
hard pawn
But your name is so long 
raw herald
Ruthless is good anyway, I think it's meta on beo?
vale moss
oh wait yeah I'm just stupid
hard pawn
11:55 is good
Not when the world record is sub 6 for the same aspect
vale moss
Ruthless is good anyway, I think it's meta on beo?
on 50+ yeah
shadow kernel
You need to grind speed runs to get good at them
raw herald
Not when the world record is sub 6 for the same aspect
World records require stupidly ridiculous RNG, 11:55 is pretty good
hard pawn
I prefer malding over 50 heat
shadow kernel
I got ridiculous rng and got 9:36
raw herald
I got ridiculous RNG until Styx once
high island
I just tried to speedrun but only got 11:55 lol had insane boons too
What aspect?
hard pawn
People on the other server post sub 10-7s left and right
hard pawn
What aspect?
Blonde man
vale moss
I got epic rush delivery, cluster rockets, and splitting bolts and only got an 8 minute run lmao
I'm pretty sure you could've gotten 7-8 minutes with that rng too
high island
Yeah, Achilles can get sub 10 consistently unless you get absolutely terrible RNG.
vale moss
I got ridiculous RNG until Styx once
Same, was on sub-7 pace until 5 sack
raw herald
I got a 5:07 heroes exit once, then a 4-sack vermin and was nearly still sub 8
shadow kernel
I got cluster rockets and loads of frees and a 2 sack and got 9:36
Cluster rockets are insane
hard pawn
I think my early game was pretty badly played
raw herald
I haven't had clockets on a PB in a while
hard pawn
I went through styx and ely rlly quick
shadow kernel
Seraph you don’t just magically get good times
It took me loads of attempts to get sub 10
11:55 is good
vale moss
it's always 2:02 
high island
But that's assuming you reset for Flurry Jab. If you don't reset, you gotta probably go Cast for consistency.
vale moss
but not for much else
hard pawn
Lol
shadow kernel
Is eris better than hestia for high heat
raw herald
Eh, I think I skipped Elysium anyway on my PB for it
vale moss
not really
shadow kernel
Hestia seems way safer
raw herald
Is eris better than hestia for high heat
No
vale moss
they're both pretty good though
raw herald
But for 60+, Eris is better
high island
I assumed I'd do better since I non stop play the same aspect
High heat and speedruns have skill overlap, but there are still plenty of differences.
hard pawn
Oh well
hard pawn
Now should i do another speedrun attempt or go back to 50
vale moss
for 60 i think zeus, rama, and eris are the best, right?
hard pawn
My pb is 11:22 rn
shadow kernel
Now should i do another speedrun attempt or go back to 50
Speedrun
raw herald
High heat and speedruns have so many transferrable skills, because I had sub-8 Hestia before I attempted 50, I was able to do it first try
hard pawn
Oki doki
shadow kernel
Zeus is good for 60+?
stuck sentinel
is zeus good?
high island
But for 60+, Eris is better
I don't agree tbh.
vale moss
yes
stuck sentinel
i like dont know how to use zeus at all. i guess you can do like an ME build or soemthing with it, but it not homing at all other than moving forward seems annoihing to me
shadow kernel
32 heat tidal dash only
raw herald
i like dont know how to use zeus at all. i guess you can do like an ME build or ...
Use a fast attack like the rail
raw herald
Oh wait you meant the aspect
chrome wharf
For Zeus I toss it into a group of enemies, then stand back and watch the fireworks
raw herald
Sadly the best Zeus player by far has quit hades
stuck sentinel
who?
vale moss
;C
signal aspen
Baj
raw herald
Baj
chrome wharf
If you're good I'd imagine you can bump enemies back into its range
vale moss
didn't baj do a 64 heat run with it?
hard pawn
Seeded yep
raw herald
didn't baj do a 64 heat run with it?
Yes but it was routed
chrome wharf
also if you recall it, it'll travel behind you
vale moss
well, yeah
raw herald
So it was basically 59 heat lol
shadow kernel
I thought the maximum possible heat was 63
vale moss
tailesque and retrash still share the unseeded wr i believe
vale moss
So it was basically 59 heat lol
true
raw herald
I thought the maximum possible heat was 63
Hellmode adds 1 heat
high island
Let me rephrase: I don't agree that you can actually say which one is better at 60+. You can max out everything with RI3 and DC0 at 60 Heat, anyway. Hestia has way more consistency with Shackle, Eris requires seeding for consistency.
raw herald
There are too few completed runs at 60 heat to say for sure which one's better
vale moss
yeah but nobody likes ri3 you miss out on too good stuff
and hestia has never done 60 iirc
unless i missed it
raw herald
Only Zeus and Rama have done 60 unseeded
high island
And Eris has never done 60 unseeded. That doesn't really matter, anyway. We both know that Hestia can do 60 Heat.
vale moss
didn't retrash do one?
high island
I don't even know if there were any attempts with Hestia lol.
raw herald
No
high island
That was seeded for Epic Drunken Strike.
vale moss
yeah
shadow kernel
How do you seed runs
short glen
I've come to the conclusion Zag dashes in the direction you press a key for. Except sometimes when he dashes in the direction he's facing instead for seemingly no reason
shadow kernel
Do you need a mod
raw herald
I think I'm going to do 40 heat Hestia drunken strike
vale moss
Do you need a mod
Ello's starting boon selector
short glen
I'm sure I'm doing SOMETHING wrong, but IDK what lol
vale moss
and I can't get mods to work despite wanting to do a seeded 60 heat run
or at least like 57
shadow kernel
Damn I play on switch lol
raw herald
There might be a way for you to attempt Baj's route
uneven wind
is it better to play on pc or console?
high island
How do you seed runs
The simple version is you keep dying until you get a decent starting boon, then you keep giving up on that seed until you win.
vale moss
Speaking of retrash's run, why not zeus attack?
shadow kernel
is it better to play on pc or console?
Doesn’t really matter tbh
raw herald
Speaking of retrash's run, why not zeus attack?
Needs jolted, drunken strike only needs poms
vale moss
that's fair
high island
There's a mod that skips the dying-to-find-a-seed part.
signal aspen
is it better to play on pc or console?
Play on the one you like more
shadow kernel
The simple version is you keep dying until you get a decent starting boon, then ...
Ah ok
uneven wind
also is there a way to have more than 3 save files?
high island
is it better to play on pc or console?
If your PC can push higher frame rates than your console, PC is better.
There are 4 save profiles, not 3.
chrome yoke
Hearing Orpheus sing Good Riddance in the house of hades is very pleasing
austere jacinth
It is!
toxic steeple
what are some recommended builds for playing ||8, 16, or 32 heat||?
||rama|| seems really good but not sure how to build it
short glen
This one is for him [Lucifer]" No Zag please you don't know what you're saying you're missing a LOT of context
chrome yoke
Demter should have a boon that allows you to walk on magma
signal aspen
Just get aspect of Arthur
thorn marsh
give u 50+ bonus health
signal aspen
Your special creates an aura that makes you take reduced damage, slows enemies, and disables ground traps
chrome yoke
Hidden aspect for spear?
short glen
Your special creates an aura that makes you take reduced damage, slows enemies, ...
It also slows projectiles
signal aspen
Yes
worldly hollow
I just had a run where I picked aspect of hestia and then without thinking about it immediately picked the hammer upgrade where I don’t have to reload…
thorn marsh
delta chamber still lets u reload on hestia
vale moss
you're really liking hunting blades, huh?
worldly hollow
delta chamber still lets u reload on hestia
Im very glad, because for a second I thought I was the worlds dumbest dummy
chrome yoke
you're really liking hunting blades, huh?
yes
Once i have 10 clears ill start doing other builds
I've no doubt in vanquishing hades this run, so that'll be 7/10 clears
Hades vanquished!
Screen in #h1-victory-boasting
shadow kernel
delta chamber still lets u reload on hestia
Wait it does?
stiff trellis
Just got all of the hades achievements!
shadow kernel
Just got all of the hades achievements!
Nice!
thorn marsh
Wait it does?
yeah
stiff trellis
Now to work on that one pyre pvp achievement and bastion and I'll have done all of the supergiant games to full
chrome yoke
Hunting blades and achilles? You have become one of us padawan
Praise Achilles, Praise Ares, Praise Artemis
hard pawn
(And poseidon his dash and mirage shot is very pog lol)
thorn marsh
praise flurry jab
hard pawn
How to speedrun achilles
chrome yoke
(And poseidon his dash and mirage shot is very pog lol)
Absolutely
chrome yoke
*praise flurry jab*
Absolutely
thorn marsh
How to speedrun achilles
start splash dash and reset for flurry
hard pawn
I alr do that
thorn marsh
then just get faster i guess
signal aspen
Do it better
hard pawn
Fake
signal aspen
And practice good rng
hard pawn
How to do quick tart
brisk trail
wr has zeus atk I guess
thorn marsh
i mean
hard pawn
i do that too lol
thorn marsh
forcing zeus attack into asphodel is really bad
because its absolutely terrible without jolted
brisk trail
I didnt even say that they should force it
thorn marsh
not terrible just mediocre the later u get into the biome
thorn marsh
I didnt even say that they should force it
am just saying D:
hard pawn
But tart fast how
brisk trail
its ok
thorn marsh
just get free rooms
brisk trail
I mean look at runs and also like
thorn marsh
just pull a sub 2 tart
brisk trail
learn how to manip enemy spawns
chrome yoke
I like the running gag of Asterius calling us small
hard pawn
i mean we are pretty damn short
chrome yoke
i mean we are pretty damn short
How tall is zag
hard pawn
Shortly jus git gud git better rng
brisk trail
the game
hard pawn
How tall is zag
Short prince
thorn marsh
speedrunning hades is just rng
raw herald
Well, it does require a lot of skill, but at the top level it is RNG
For example, Ananke and 185in can seem to just bang out sub 6:30s
thorn marsh
if u get good rng but dont have good skill the room will still come out bad yes
thorn marsh
For example, Ananke and 185in can seem to just bang out sub 6:30s
croven
chrome yoke
Short prince
How talll exactly though . . .
raw herald
Yes croven is v good
hard pawn
How could we know
signal aspen
How talll exactly though . . .
45 inches
hard pawn
Ah yes roguelite game very good scale
All I know is my erinyes gf is taller than me and has a whip
And thats all I need
chrome yoke
Hades (the game) is mentioned on the official Zagreus wikipedia page for actual greek mythology
austere jacinth
Zag is one of the two shortest characters (the other is Theseus). Hypnos is taller but slumps, and Skelly might be taller because he hunches, but he's pretty close in height.
chrome yoke
Oh yeah zag compared himself to theseus in a voiceline reacting to asterius calling him short again
austere jacinth
Yeah. One could guess he's sub six-foot. He's not as tall as the tall mortals like Orpheus or Achilles, so it's not just 'short... but for a god'.
Oh, and Dusa is also technically shorter but... well...
xD
brisk trail
no ive just never used that many of his boons
raw herald
No, in the run
brisk trail
oh yeah its the first in the run
raw herald
But yes, quick favor is probably still better
thorn marsh
greater haste would be okay if epic
because rush delivery is an option but its only common sadge
raw herald
You could potentially get rush delivery later if you pick greater haste, but it's only a maximum of 20% global damaged
high island
The answer is it doesn't really matter tbh.
stuck sentinel
does rush delivery give 100% of bonus speed?
vale moss
(i had no patty so i had like 180 total health for the fight)
stuck sentinel
i thought it only gave like 50%
stuck sentinel
oh ok
vale moss
50 is common, 75 is rare, 100 is epmic
stuck sentinel
i know hyper sprint plus rush delivery is super good
raw herald
It is very good
stuck sentinel
is it global damage?
vale moss
yes
raw herald
Yep
vale moss
that's why it's good
thorn marsh
its like a tuned down eris
raw herald
Eris has rare HD build in
vale moss
and it can be the same amount, could be less, could be more
chrome yoke
God achilles is so OP
stuck sentinel
is achilles global or is it only cast and atttack and special?
thorn marsh
only cast and attack
vale moss
i got halfway through the hades fight on only 180 net hp though so I'm pretty happy with that tbh
raw herald
If it was global then it would be so busted
vale moss
that means i only need 360 net hp
raw herald
Even more than it is
stuck sentinel
what are all the global damage sources? ik eris, rush delivery, butterfly
thorn marsh
if achilles was global it would be the best thing to ever exist
stuck sentinel
what eles?
raw herald
that means i only need 360 net hp
EM4 beo?
vale moss
yep
vale moss
also I just realized his spear throw pierces shields lmao
vale moss
bad news is global
yeah, but it doesn't matter
because then you can't use boiling lol
even if it were just cast damage it would be the same
thorn marsh
bad news is better than boiling
raw herald
Most meta builds use flat damage
vale moss
so is boiling lol
thorn marsh
but
stuck sentinel
whats bad news again?
thorn marsh
bad news is literally passive
raw herald
But boiling blood doesn't matter for flat damage
stuck sentinel
i thought it was the hermes legendary
thorn marsh
u have to do something for boiling
vale moss
yeah but
raw herald
Boiling blood is attack and special damage
stuck sentinel
that gave you casts back
thorn marsh
bad news is the hermes legendary
vale moss
you have to get 2 boons for bad news just get rush delivery lol
stuck sentinel
what does it do?
vale moss
at that point
stuck sentinel
cause ik he had 2
thorn marsh
if ur going for bad news just do plume strats anyway though
raw herald
what does it do?
Enemies that don't have casts in them take +50% damage
raw herald
It's great for any build, but it's not as good as epic rush delivery
thorn marsh
well if it wasnt global it would just do nothing because it would only affect casts
vale moss
it would do a lot lol
thorn marsh
but hades is spaghetti code so its global
it does a helluva of a ton on dio cast
and ares cast
raw herald
It's half a mirage shot on Dio cast lol, and it's not even multiplicative
vale moss
bad news + black out + beo + like idk 150% cast dmg from chaos and wells + mirage + like 5 casts = my most busted build ever
raw herald
But I think that just goes to show how busted mirage shot is
uneven wind
What’s a good build for Stygian blade in general
vale moss
was doing like 15k damage per hit or something idk
high island
i know hyper sprint plus rush delivery is super good
That's because it activates as soon as you press dash and lasts until the movement speed bonus wears off, and it's 100% movement speed. So it's just active all the time if you have an epic Hyper Sprint.
uneven wind
Trying to beat hades with every weapon
thorn marsh
Merciful End
vale moss
That's because it activates as soon as you press dash and lasts until the moveme...
any hyper sprint, really
raw herald
What is the cooldown between dashes?
stuck sentinel
What’s a good build for Stygian blade in general
i did zeus attack on zag aspect, not optimal at all but it was kinda fun
vale moss
I didn't know duo boons existed until my 5th clear
and the first one i ever got was cold embrace
because I usually just filled in all my core slots with the same god lmao
uneven wind
What aspect should I use for ME on sword
uneven wind
Nemesis looks the best
chrome yoke
because I usually just filled in all my core slots with the same god lmao
How do you even do that
like you will always get other gods
raw herald
<@&456908176877551658> is this message allowed? ^^
broken spear
narrow hemlock
it's not.
vale moss
broken spear
Sry
raw herald
I didn't even click on it
raw herald
It was deleted by a mod
raw herald
is Ruthrless reflex global damage?
Yes
narrow hemlock
would prefer people not try jokes like that for the fact that we get a lot of bots and scammers coming through here
void vigil
yeah, i was about to ban because i thought it was a scam and did not click to check
raw herald
I just assumed no flair, no description meant it was a spam account
narrow hemlock
meme notoriety aside it's a good song and i will die on that hill AND i think zagreus would like it too. zag jams to astley
chrome yoke
Why are final styx rooms so brutal
i have to pray to get the sack on the second or third passageway or else im dead
signal aspen
I thought that hunting blades was an instant win
modern garnet
Go for the miniboss rooms they're easier lmao
raw herald
Easier, faster and better rewards
chrome yoke
lmao ok
thorn marsh
the miniboss chambers are legit easier lul
chrome yoke
Died on hades :(
signal aspen
I thought that hunting blades was an instant win
chrome yoke
I thought you understood jokes
signal aspen
I dont
manic bobcat
This is a serious server for serious people.
No jokes are allowed.
thorn marsh
well if no jokes are allowed
then what i say will happen
im gonna get a hera sub 7
there we go now itll wrk
raw herald
I'm going to get Arthur sub 10
signal aspen
I'm going to win my next 50 heat run
raw herald
I've tried so many times, where as Talos literally took one (1) try, and it was sub 9 as well lol
thorn marsh
magnilling it seems like the only way to sub 10 on arthur tbh
or doing a special peach head tech
raw herald
I've tried the thunder dash into splitting bolt high-roll but it got Elysium'd the only time when I got the build
thorn marsh
with zeus dash + a bunch more zeus aka splitting highroll
i mean zeus dash is way more highroll than simply slapping magnil on it
u need way more zeus
raw herald
I got the full build and epic RD as well
thorn marsh
Sadge elysium
raw herald
It was like a 8:20 exit from a 4:45
thorn marsh
JESUS
raw herald
Naked flamewheels everywhere
thorn marsh
i mean
the magnil special is just slapping Lightning Phalanx on everything in existence thats bad
and it works pretty good
i see no reason to try peach special if ur only going for sub 10
chrome yoke
signal aspen
Nice
thorn marsh
WAIT A SECOND
RMAC
@raw herald WHAT IF U COMBINED THE MAGNIL AND PEACH SPECIAL
PEACHNIL SPECIAL
chrome yoke
What does a perfect catch do
thorn marsh
zeus dash for zeus dash and then athena for phalanx into asphodel and then whatever high% attack u find
and then as much zeus as possible
that way it doesnt need splitting because phalanx is the carry
raw herald
What does a perfect catch do
Guaranteed rare fish, and chance for legendary fish
thorn marsh
double strike would work just fine
chrome yoke
Guaranteed rare fish, and chance for legendary fish
pog
raw herald
I think I'll go for the sub-10 Arthur after the sub-10 Hades clear
Those are the only 2 I have left
thorn marsh
talk to NJ about hades spear
raw herald
I know it's just ME
thorn marsh
he actually plays it
stuck sentinel
what in the world is a magnil special
raw herald
What if I beat NJ first try lol
stuck sentinel
or a peach special
thorn marsh
then nj would be pissed as hell
raw herald
what in the world is a magnil special
Lightning phalanx and smoldering air Zeus call
manic bobcat
or a peach special
What
raw herald
or a peach special
Zeus dash splitting bolt
thorn marsh
its what the speedrunner named magnil slaps on terrible aspects to make them good
stuck sentinel
why do they have special names?
thorn marsh
because they're the ones who created it
raw herald
Magnil and peachhead are speedrunners, those strategies are not common and thus have names
thorn marsh
and i felt like calling it that
stuck sentinel
aight, that kinda makes sense
stuck sentinel
i was going for an ares gilgamesh rift build thing
cause why not
i got 2 ares boons in tartarus
not that bad
but then
not a single ares boon from asphodel to styx
not in any shops
no rooms
no trials
modern garnet
That's the risk I guess!
If you have room rerolls and you really want boons from a specific boss, only reroll miniboss rooms and only after your pool is full
stuck sentinel
yeah, i suppose for these runs that need like 1 specific god its probably best to his the alter room thing
austere jacinth
Oooh!
signal aspen
Nice
nocturne mirage
i did not know that i can't initially use companions against hades, and now im sad
signal aspen
You can use bouldy and skelly against hades
But for the rest of the companions you need permission
chrome yoke
Does the wiki have a section for peoples favors
signal aspen
Yeah
chrome yoke
Cant find it
signal aspen
Just go to the character and scroll down until you find their favor
signal aspen
Congrats
nocturne mirage
hades is just a greek mythos themed fishing simulator, and i refuse to see it any other way
modern garnet
I wish all gods had fishing boons
chrome wharf
Like, affect fishing in diff ways?
hearty stone
is there a trick to find thanatos in a run or something, im not seeing him at all
chrome yoke
hearty stone
maybe im just getting super unlucky
signal aspen
is there a trick to find thanatos in a run or something, im not seeing him at al...
Get good rng
chrome yoke
is there a trick to find thanatos in a run or something, im not seeing him at al...
I keep getting legendary boons and duo boons, but thanatos RNG is really bad. and when i DO find him, i dont even get the dialogue i need to unlock the 7th heart
hearty stone
hades is just a greek mythos themed fishing simulator, and i refuse to see it an...
true, my first thought when i beat my first run after unlocking fishing, was "OMG ARE THERE ANY FISH ON THE SURFACE I GOTTA FIND SOME"
hearty stone
I keep getting legendary boons and duo boons, but thanatos RNG is really bad. an...
hes so hard to find but its totally worth it bc hes so hot
chrome yoke
I agree
hearty stone
signal aspen
F
hearty stone
athena replenishing death defiance has saved me so many runs
signal aspen
Grandma carried my 40 heat rama clear
signal aspen
Nice
vale moss
dude exclusive access ballin
running beo on 50 heat and I've gotten 2 epic chaos cast damage boons and greatest reflex
(flood flare)
signal aspen
Nice
vale moss
(I just finished tartarus)
NOO EXTRA DD GOT CROSSED OUT
sadged
bruh I died I'm actual garbage lmao
i think I'm gonna take a break from high heat, I keep getting frusturated and getting myself killed
stuck sentinel
that sounds like high heat
covert zenith
So I've heard talk of Merciful End being the best boon. Why is that?
short glen
doom ouch, I'd guess
river vigil
So I've heard talk of Merciful End being the best boon. Why is that?
not the best but its up there, basically doom ever dash attack
so yeah huge damage
and if you add impending doom and then pom doom atk itll be even more juicier
covert zenith
But it needs ares and athena on attack and special
modern garnet
And then your dash strikes activate the merciful end over and over
modern garnet
Yeah you have to get the athena special because that's how they nerfed it
river vigil
so get ares atk on tartarus, pray for athena special, if you dont take athena keepsake for asphodel, then get special and ME, dash if youre lucky, if not just get in elysium
covert zenith
So doom doesn't stick around after it hits
Ik it normally doesn't but figured it would for this boon
modern garnet
No that's a different duo that does that
You gotta keep inflicting the doom and deflecting into their face, and ideally you can do that with just dash strikes
short glen
Is it possible to get both the merciful end and the doom effects stick around boons if you were super lucky?
covert zenith
Most likely
river vigil
Is it possible to get both the merciful end and the doom effects stick around bo...
it doesnt even matter bcs youre gonna proc it everytime you strike, so curse of longing isnt for this
covert zenith
But it deals more damage
modern garnet
I'm not sure it would deal more
thorn marsh
But it deals more damage
it wouldnt because ur procing doom fast anyway
curse of longing isnt really needed/does anything if u have ME
brisk trail
so get ares atk on tartarus, pray for athena special, if you dont take athena ke...
you have just helped me get ME
i usually would get divine dash first then ares atk or divine special depending on what i got next
then pray to gods i get ME
toxic steeple
are there some tips for beating em3 with td3? i made good time in tartarus and asphodel but lost a lot in elysium, came to theseus with 45s left and burned 3 defiances because asterius is op now apparently
32 heat is not going well
high island
are there some tips for beating em3 with td3? i made good time in tartarus and a...
What's your pact and strategy for the run? Also, let's move to #h1-high-heat-strategies.
toxic steeple
ok!
worldly hollow
Any tips on how to use stubborn defiance? It’s the only one I’ve never used, and just choked the final boss due to it
modern garnet
If you're at less than your SD health threshold, you can intentionally die to use the SD to heal
But yeah it's weaker against bosses than DD
worldly hollow
I used the tooth for my last keepsake but wonder if maybe I should have gone for acorn… hard to say
modern garnet
Well tooth can only save you 100 health
high island
Lucky Tooth is worth more than 100 HP, actually.
short glen
how?
modern garnet
Oh right, any damage you'd take wouldn't carry over
high island
Right. The overkill damage doesn't carry over.
So it can be worth 179 HP with HL0 and 219 with HL5.
At most.
Essentially.
But yeah, the Evergreen Acorn is generally the better keepsake for boss fights.
If it wasn't, it would be useless because tanking damage in boss fights is literally all it does.
short glen
What about the thing from Patroclus?
high island
Broken Spearpoint? It's not worth as much eHP as Acorn in the boss fight.
But it can help a lot with poison damage, and it's decent in EM4.
EM4 lowers the Acorn's value a lot because some summons can just shred through your Acorn charges with low-damage hits.
So the Lucky Tooth typically ends up being the better choice for that, but it depends on your build and aspect and stuff.
I'd say Broken Spearpoint can be a decent pick if you're not good at Satyr tunnels yet or if your build is not very good for Styx.
dense mist
I always liked spearpoint for Bull fights
Spinning boy is sometimes to fast before i can escape
So i rather only take one hit instead of 3
high island
If you take the Acorn, the first hit won't damage or stun you, and you can easily dash away from the others.
cedar nexus
What's better Hera aspect or Chiron aspect?
I think Hera
Should I borrow from charon?
I have Hera aspect rare festive frog explosive shot and epic urge to kill
high island
Chiron is easier to play, Hera gets way better DPS more consistently.
You never really need to borrow from Charon to have a better run, it's typically higher risk than you can get rewarded, but if you think it's fun, you should definitely do it.
cedar nexus
Well I'm not really going for a clear so I'll try it
I won!
I really like this fight
plucky latch
cedar nexus
His fight reminds me of terraria
river vigil
man|| 3rd phase dad|| theme is amazing
brisk trail
yes
chrome yoke
holy
river vigil
yes
chrome yoke
That sounds so painful
dusky wedge
It’s also the only instance you can hear the EM4 theme
cedar nexus
What's EM4
shadow kernel
What's EM4
Extreme measures 4
It’s one of the difficulty modifiers which gives each boss fight new mechanics to make them harder
cedar nexus
Oh
rapid forum
EM4 hurts so goood
little dragon
just cleared hades with every weapon
thats some titan blood
next is a chiron run at heat 8
rapid forum
Chaos's curse: can't pick up cast stone for 11s
Me with ravenous will: I see this as absolute win
stiff trellis
EM4 is THE BEST
austere jacinth
I wish I could ||summon Cerberus||
manic bobcat
Dad took that chance, sadly
stuck sentinel
After you beat em4 you should be able to do that
stuck sentinel
uh
brisk trail
you need to advance the story and then it becomes aviable to buy
chrome yoke
Lmao you buy a upgrade to the final boss from the contractor?
brisk trail
yes
chrome yoke
Hades logic
polar root
yeah, makes slight sense
signal aspen
nice
signal aspen
nice
chrome wharf
I always feel like Hermes is subtly breaking the 4th wall
yeah he goes "oop" when you cut him off, now he's the only one I let finish talking
chrome yoke
yeah he goes "oop" when you cut him off, now he's the only one I let finish talk...
SAME
Patroculus when i have 3/3 death defiances: Bonjour
Patroculus when i have 0/3 death defiances: adios
polar root
i mean
Im always on em4 now cuz i wanna beat em4 so I always lose 2 dd's in the heros fight
patty doesnt help 😦
chrome yoke
I got bad luck in elysium and lost 3 death defiances there
polar root
im just bad at games 😦
chrome yoke
Flurry jab my beloved
chrome yoke
Is one of the 5 styx rooms guaranteed to have a well of chiron
stuck sentinel
i dont think so
but its almost certantly going to have one
unless you are super unlucky
modern garnet
I think styx rooms have lower chance of having wells than rooms in other biomes
but i could be biased
chrome yoke
Eurydice isn't singing anymore and mentioned Orpheus, does this mean i started the favor
dusky wedge
From my experience, seems it’s the same as other biomes, twice per biome, but Styx has diverging rooms though
So you could totally miss one, or both, I think
chrome yoke
Eurydice isn't singing anymore and mentioned Orpheus, does this mean i started t...
??
dusky wedge
Hmm
Might need to check wiki, I forgot lol
Hmm, probably just part of the chain of dialogues
modern garnet
damn... youre an ares fiend
dusky wedge
If only ME comes up as often
chrome yoke
damn... youre an ares fiend
I main Vicious Cycle & Hunting Blades generally
Hunting blades especially as it's not as rare
modern garnet
well how often do you get Fully Loaded
modern garnet
woah...
chrome yoke
yeah he goes "oop" when you cut him off, now he's the only one I let finish talk...
Also he mentions it when you use the in game timer
short hinge
Why's granny so reluctant to give out her legendary, I just wanna finish the prophecy. It's been like five runs with the opportunity already
modern garnet
her legendary has weird requirements, doesn't it?
oh yeah it requires 2 out of a list of 3, instead of 1 from 2 lists
short hinge
yea
faint moon
Same with Artemis, I believe
cedar nexus
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/826796295204372492/867454106477002782/unk...
You really like blade rifts
chrome yoke
You really like blade rifts
That is correct
2 more clears until i have 10 and then ill focus on other, fun builds
Actually NVM!
This was my 9th clear so..
only one remains
stuck sentinel
|| you dont actually need to fight him this time||
chrome yoke
I can lose all my death defiances in styx anyways
chrome yoke
Will do
chrome wharf
just dont choke in styx
literally me on my hell mode 10th escape. ||Thought "eh no final fight so I'll be suboptimal and pick up some prophecies". barely scraped by Styx and reached the arena with low 2-digit HP. never been more happy to 2-sack in my life||
stuck sentinel
nice
stable glen
well how often do you get Fully Loaded
Sigh... I only get vicious cycle or fully loaded in my hunting blades builds
never both
fully loaded is a pain
chrome yoke
Okay.. Im gonna be honest.
This has been one of the best games i've ever played
The gameplay is magnificent
the story is flawless
the attention to tiny details..
and the music oh, goodness
stuck sentinel
yes
stuck sentinel
the attention to tiny details..
yes
chrome yoke
and that ending? That ending music? THE CHERRY ON TOP.
97/100
stuck sentinel
the story is flawless
yah
calm vigil
The music is the best part for me
stuck sentinel
The gameplay is magnificent
true
calm vigil
And the art
stuck sentinel
and that ending? That ending music? THE CHERRY ON TOP.
97/100
completely correct
games great
calm vigil
Random days I just listen to the music during work
signal aspen
and that ending? That ending music? THE CHERRY ON TOP.
97/100
yeah the ending is great
hard pawn
Sweaty bed
dense mist
Damn i got 3 Legendarys this run
stuck sentinel
also you get the official job position
chrome yoke
stuck sentinel
still arent being paid
chrome yoke
this made me laugh so much
hard pawn
We are being paid