legendary fish = perfect catch so u have to be very fast
#h1-discussion
south lagoon
modern garnet
yeah when you get a perfect catch its a 50% change of legendary
perfect catch really hard
calm pelican
i dont think ive ever been fast enough to get a perfect
is there some indicator that tells if its a perfect catch?
south lagoon
youre looking for the white flash before the bobber goes under, so some ppl cover the bobber over the screen with their finger so that they see the flash and are not looking at the bobber
modern garnet
at the top of the screen it says perfect catch in big letters
south lagoon
it will say "P E R F E C T C A T C H"
calm pelican
yep, never seen it
south lagoon
or if it's imperfect it just says "C A T C H"
south lagoon
it's rly hard tbh
calm pelican
not even cheat engine works hnnnnnnggggggggg
it just freezes when i try to speedhack
modern garnet
honestly, perfect catch is the harshest thing in the game
god mode wont save you from perfect catch
lone kernel
so i was going for a demeter cast/achilles spear, late tartarus athena boon and she said "the key to success is often changing your plan" like was the game telling me going meme beam was a bad idea for that run
night leaf
honestly, perfect catch is the harshest thing in the game
I've done 150 runs and have had zero perfect catches yet
Supergiant
Pls increase the time window for it in fishing
modern garnet
when it's afternoon i can do perfect catches like 50% of the time
but in the evening i am totally unable
but everyone around has a "trick" to perfect catching, and different tricks work for different people
south lagoon
i was able to do enough to get the prophecy done and now i do not try any more
modern garnet
mine is that i put my thumb over the bobber so i can only see the white flash of the real catch
south lagoon
i tried closing my eyes and just listening for the sound cuz that's how i fish in animal crossing, but i think the thumb works better
modern garnet
eyes closed works for a lot of people but nooot me
little dragon
does evergreen acorn apply to bosses?
modern garnet
the acorn? it only applies to bosses
little dragon
seems really solid
dont know if its better than the tooth or collar with triple defiance though
thorn marsh
acorn is probably more solid than them both
modern garnet
if you take more damage in bosses than in regular rooms, acorn is DEFINITELY worth it
thorn marsh
its a bit iffy in hades fight because u could get bad spawns but yeah its pretty good
modern garnet
generally in hades fight, when you get hit 5 times you lose 1DD and more health
oh, plume is great
plume GETS YOU THERE, especially at low heat
prototypically, zag fists + plume + both dodge hermes boons can give you 60-100% dodge, depending on factors
thorn marsh
rail is good, yeah
high island
If the Evergreen Acorn wasn't generally the best tank keepsake for boss fights, there would be no point in it.
little dragon
if i had to rank all the weapons (based on their default non hammer kit and no aspects)
rail > bow > shield > spear > fists > sword
maybe like that
thorn marsh
shield is way lower imo
high island
Pls increase the time window for it in fishing
It's 340ms for a Perfect Catch. That's a lot of time.
little dragon
fists are super weird tbh
since the special attack and the normal attack
arent really that different at all
you dont use them for different things much
you just mix up constantly
and the uppercut seems to stagger the enemies alittle
but the hammer upgrades have been really good
that ive seen
manic bobcat
You can buffer/cancel the dash strike into dash upper
So you can dash strike and upper with one dash
It's a fun combo to do
manic bobcat
Dash + attack then special immediately
dusky wedge
If we’re just talking about zag aspects, I don’t see a lot of reason to mix attacks and specials tbh, at least in my experience. There’s just no apparent incentive to do so
Comparing to other aspects, that can give you buffs for mixing things up
manic bobcat
If we’re just talking about zag aspects, I don’t see a lot of reason to mix atta...
Well you can do the dash strike upper I just mentioned.
It's not like a game changer
But definitely worth a try
high island
Zag Fists Dash-Upper is pretty good.
thorn marsh
plus u can get explosive upper
dusky wedge
It's not like a game changer
Yeah, this is what I mean, it’s not really a “big” thing
Unlike, for example, Achilles spear
Buffs attacks and casts in between specials
Zag aspects are… basic imo
manic bobcat
Don't do Zag Bow like that
high island
Well, yes, they're slightly stronger base weapons.
Zag Bow was fun for me when I was still learning bow, but now it's the blandest weapon aspect in the game. 
thorn marsh
heyyy D:
just slap heart rend on it plus smoldering plus heroic rd plus triple twin or flurry and its a perfectly wonderful aspect
high island
You just do Dash > hold Attack > release and repeat over and over with the same rhythm for the whole run.
thorn marsh
isnt that just hera but with a cast in the mix?
high island
Sometimes you do two dashes.
manic bobcat
Boring is best 
thorn marsh
You just do Dash > hold Attack > release and repeat over and over with the same ...
this is all bows though ;-;
high island
No.
river vigil
this is all bows though ;-;
not really with chiron u add specials into the mix, with rama well,rama is rama, but idk i dont really play bow so
high island
Hera undershoots arrows, so the timing can vary a lot; you need to keep track of your ammo; you need to keep track of damage breakpoints.
thorn marsh
this is stuff u need to do to get good at hera, yeah
river vigil
damage breakpoints?
high island
Zag Bow just wants to Power-Shoot every time.
river vigil
wait nvm im just dumb
thorn marsh
damage breakpoints?
how many casts it takes to kill a certain enemy
river vigil
ah
thorn marsh
Hera undershoots arrows, so the timing can vary a lot; you need to keep track of...
Sploosh sploosh kaboom dash dash pick up cast sploosh sploosh kaboom WOHAHGEHGHW
tepid plover
Gotta go fast
dusky wedge
Gotta go “Merciful”
little dragon
beat hades 2nd time in a row
first time using rail
its very good like i surmised, but i underestimated how much down time there is with the reload
atleast you can fire your special while reloading to keep the damage up
it was a based dio hangover build with hammer and hermes attack speed up
granite ether
using the special during the reload time is always a good option to keep damage up during the attacks downtime :3
sounds like a fun build ^_^
little dragon
that was offered right away
i could tell it was the best but i wanted a run with something closer to the default feel first
so i went with like +1 targets
tepid plover
It's meh tbh
little dragon
hoping to get chain lighting
hoh
burst damage in between dodges is normally really good
tepid plover
Ok my bad, not my favorite but isnt bad
little dragon
i havent tried it
its just that stuff like has been decent so far
like the default sword hammer that turns your 3 swings into 1 big one
little dragon
yeah ive seen him in the house
left wing by achilles
but in the opposite direction as hades chambers, looking out the balcony
not nearly as common as encounters though
dusky wedge
If you’ve met Than during a run, be sure to check him out at his spot after you finish said run
That’s when he’ll show up
versed wasp
I always check
I want have romance with him
but this bastard always go away after encounter :C
WTF
Than is teasing with me
He talked with me about "us" and about feelings but still hears are locked ;_;
tepid plover
Hes playing hard to get 
stable glen
Does anyone know if second wave procs sea storm twice
I ran an eris meme build and I'm pretty sure it does
stable glen
I hope I can test it again soon
glossy remnant
I want to prematurely end my relation to planet earth as a conciousness.
I am still coughing like a 6 y.o. make-a-wish having a day out with snoopdog.
I AM SO SICK OF BEING SICK!
||there is no escape of the cycle||
amber kraken
I got the best boon in the game
||The fishing one|| apparently I cant post screenshots here but trust me its great
little dragon
it is pretty good tbh
free keys and nectar
unless youre gonna win on that run
the most important thing is to get as many permanent progression items like that before you die
amber kraken
I did win on that run but the extra nectar etc was still great
Also I got a surface fish
hollow hawk
unless youre gonna win on that run
why would winning on that run be bad?
you still keep the fish eitherway
hollow hawk
or if you give up
tepid plover
Well yeah, giving up, doesn't kill you, it takes you back in time 🤣
brisk trail
my last 8 runs or so just got yeeted into oblivion
thank you epic games launcher...
as well as half of my golden strawberries in celeste wtf
i kinda half regret getting this game on epic
amber kraken
idk where exactly to ask but is Skelly the only one capable of helping out in the final bossfight?
Cause I finally got a different cathonic companion but ||meg|| isnt too keen
mint coral
after some convos hades should allow you to use the rest of your companions
south lagoon
bouldy can help too right away i think
mint coral
i dont know/remember what you need first tho
amber kraken
I dont like Sysyphus so Im not getting bouldy anytime soon
I dont even know how to spell his name
south lagoon
sisyphus lol
amber kraken
I was close
south lagoon
i think you need to give hades nectar before he'll give you permission to use the other companions but im not 100% sure if it's that or just talking
south lagoon
sharin the love 
dense mist
What is your casually god choice? I always go with Dionysus and Poseidon because of their Duo that makes every boon epic
dense mist
never liked the weak effect of those boons
- they make a weird sounds
- they seemed weak to me
unborn remnant
Poseidon
hard pawn
Well they are very strong lol
High % gud
Also depends on aspect
Dio Poseidon duo isn't good if you're working builds around it
Many stronger builds that use duo boons of said gods exist
stoic flame
I also don't like weak much but the % makes it worth it
plus if you get heart rend
hard pawn
Omg buzz
stoic flame
lol
hard pawn
I know its offtopic but I opened him the other day without brawlpass
stoic flame
poggers
calm pelican
does the hammer upgrade that adds 4 extra shots to coronacht increase damage or distribute it
also is lightning on special better for aspect of chiron or atemis's increased damage
wraith ginkgo
how do I get artemis' locked heart?
cerulean ferry
Her favor needs you to talk to her a bunch. Just start every run with her keepsake
wraith ginkgo
ok, good to know. thanks!
floral ledge
hey I have a question, does flurry shot disable my dash attack?
signal aspen
no
thorn marsh
nah
signal aspen
also is lightning on special better for aspect of chiron or atemis's increased d...
artemis is better
floral ledge
cheers thx
well big F
halfway elysium with artemis' keepsake on zag's bow, only had 2 god damn powers
dense mist
The 4th stage doesnt affect the pierced butterfly?
floral ledge
I mean 2 artemis boons
signal aspen
The 4th stage doesnt affect the pierced butterfly?
it only works at the very last room of each tunnel
high island
What's not to like about 30% damage reduction? 
manic bobcat
it makes the game too easy
craggy barn
it makes high heat quite literally less "painful"
shadow kernel
Do hera and Beowulf function at all differently
modern garnet
well in hera, lodged casts drop faster, and in beo, your charge has a wider effect when casts are loaded
past echo
What are the uses for the keys after you buy every upgrade from the mirror?
craggy barn
Do hera and Beowulf function at all differently
hera fires off your casts like normal casts at the target your arrow initially hits, beowulf fires casts as aoe blasts at the end of your bull-rush
craggy barn
What are the uses for the keys after you buy every upgrade from the mirror?
trade for nectar/unlock weapons
shadow kernel
hera fires off your casts like normal casts at the target your arrow initially h...
Wait so you can just pick up your casts again with Beowulf?
past echo
trade for nectar/unlock weapons
Where do you trade for nectar at?
high island
Slicing Flare drops so fast, it barely makes a difference, though.
craggy barn
Except for Slicing Flare and Trippy Flare.
slicing and trippy take a good moment until you can pick up your casts again, especially trippy
high island
Wretched Broker in the Lounge for trades.
craggy barn
like nyaanyaa said slicing is really just fine with infernal soul but trippy is much recommended with stygian soul
high island
Fine would imply it's good. I'd never say that about Slicing Flare. 
I have standards.
craggy barn
better than base cast
...actually not really
base cast probably deals more damage with shackle
craggy barn
immediate cast-stones isn't really that crazy
eris with its 75% global damage is crazy
high island
Beowulf is 4th place in IGT unseeded, holds the WR in seeded, and shares the high heat WR at 60 Heat. It's pretty good, yeah.
craggy barn
normally i'd consider castspects unviable at 60 heat but beowulf just kinda does it anyway
modern garnet
i guess +10% damage is less of a downside when you're already taking +100% damage
high island
+10% is less of a downside when you block anyway.
And you phase bosses in 1-2 Dragon Rushes.
floral ledge
I'm trying to figure out whether I want fated authority vs persuasion. I find myself rerolling certain gods and gems, but I find myself a bit lost when all 3 choices are hot garbo. What's the general consensus?
high island
Persuasion.
floral ledge
hmm interesting, I thought you wre going to say authority
high island
You'll have a hard time finding any Authority runs on the speedrun or the high heat leaderboards.
floral ledge
thought getting the right boon was more important than a new chance at options
high island
I bet you could randomly click on 200 runs on either board and not find a single run with Fated Authority among them.
thorn marsh
getting the right boon is very important
high island
You can get the right gods easily with keepsakes.
floral ledge
oh
high island
You can also reroll Wells of Charon.
craggy barn
i don't think there's any specific item i never buy
everything is kinda circumstantial
nail is really good early on because armored enemies get annoying, especially louts and thugs
high island
Nail of Talos is always good.
modern garnet
do you ever get your money's worth with "stygian shard"?
enemies take more trap dmg
high island
I'd say more of a waste early on because you don't have a lot damage sources yet, and Tartarus is easy enough.
Stygian Shard is pretty good, yeah. Pretty cheap, too.
And stacks multiplicatively.
Stygian Shard before Asphodel is pretty fun.
And always good before dad.
modern garnet
hmm
sly salmon
am rather new to the game, but when I eventually get to the point of no-hit runs, does the evergreen acorn count toward getting hit?
aka can I still get hit a few times and still have it count as a no-hit run, assuming I don't take damage
high island
There's no no-hit leaderboard or anything. You're free to make your own rules. That said, @rose trellis made some rules for no-hit here that you might like to follow. https://youtu.be/RbHt6WlOqJM
sly salmon
oh?
high island
He explains the rules in the intro.
sly salmon
I very much would have assumed there was a no-hit category o.o
high island
Leaderboards are either just speedrun or high heat. There's a fresh file speedrun category. But there's no no-hit speedrun category.
Nor one for high heat.
high island
There's a category for challenge runs on the high heat leaderboard. If you do a no-hit high heat run, you could just enter that as the challenge you were doing. If there are enough submissions for that, we could make a tab just for that.
So far, barely anyone seems to be interested in doing that.
But don't let that stop you.
dense mist
no hit is pain after stage 1
im playing pierced butterfly rn and only get no hit encounters in the first stage
high island
Something like Hestia or Guan Yu with Charged Skewer works best for that.
sly salmon
tyty for the encouragement
I suppose I should get to that point first before worrying about it ;o
only started playing a few days ago
knotty karma
Guys, hear me out.
Disney Hades voice mod when.
signal aspen
idk probably ricochet
hollow hawk
Richochet
floral ledge
tyty
hollow hawk
Its the least damaging to your gun lol
Pretty bad hammers overall
You want special-based hammers usually for eris, like rocket or triple bomb
knotty karma
Explosive Fire isn't bad, mind.
Spread Fire is surprisingly bad, though. People were telling me it was basically the Super Shotgun.
People who say that haven't played Doom.
floral ledge
I think I should have taken explosive fire
at least I would be able to slow people down with the shot
hollow hawk
Explosive Fire isn't bad, mind.
it kinda is
hollow hawk
Makes it harder to see what the enemy is doing
hollow hawk
Spread Fire is surprisingly bad, though. People were telling me it was basically...
Spreadfire works amazing on zag rail because you have extra ammo there
otherwise its terrible because you'll be reloading forever
knotty karma
Frankly, I had a better time with Explosive Fire, but then again, I only got Spreadfire once and I remember just thinking I should just whack them with a sword.
Also, I can't already keep track of all the enemies by default, so another screen effect isn't going to bother me much.
It also kept the chariots away, so a big plus.
dense mist
When is the last aspect of stygius revealed? I have all other maxed out
signal aspen
follow the steps in #h1-story-discussion and then after that its just dialogue rng
kind pagoda
why does the option to gift ambrosia sometimes disappear after I talk to ppl?
like it sometimes doesn't
sly salmon
are there chaos gates in the last stage?
signal aspen
are there chaos gates in the last stage?
no
sly salmon
:(
kind pagoda
and does meg appear in the lounge only if you come by her in tartarus and then complete the run?
signal aspen
why does the option to gift ambrosia sometimes disappear after I talk to ppl?
idk it might be a glitch
signal aspen
and does meg appear in the lounge only if you come by her in tartarus and then c...
yeah
kind pagoda
like beat hades
signal aspen
no
cerulean ferry
No, you just have to beat her
signal aspen
just kill meg
signal aspen
yeah
kind pagoda
I have to win the lil competition
signal aspen
complete the encounter with him and then when you come back to the house he will be there
kind pagoda
aight thx
sly salmon
hyper sprint + rush delivery = ??
signal aspen
big damage
tawdry tundra
when do you get the hades keepsake? the wiki has been a bit cryptic as far as i know
signal aspen
you get it after you complete the main story
tawdry tundra
ive beat hades two times already
signal aspen
beat him 8 more times
tawdry tundra
ah ok
i struggled to understand what the main story meant
like
beating hades once was what i thought main story meant
im used to most stuff after doing a full run once being post game so i didnt get it but ok thx
can the weapons be placed in a tierlist or are they all good at different things?
like
stoic flame
they are all viable
modern garnet
The weapons have been placed into a tier list many times
But the tiers depend on what you're doin
stoic flame
spear stinky
modern garnet
GY best spear
stoic flame
i just dont like any spear
tawdry tundra
i guess theres a lot of depth to weapon viability
with enchant hammers etc and viability against specific enemies
also so far the two runs ive won were done so with hades spear
and the only other weapon i somewhat know how to use is aegis
and maybe sword just maybe
i know im going to have to vary to get all the bounties but its really hard
languid wolf
should i learn good riddance on guitar
shadow kernel
should i learn good riddance on guitar
Learn the unseen ones
languid wolf
haven't gotten there yet
sly salmon
is there any point in using gems to decorate house? o.o
sly salmon
so otherwise gemstones would be better used buying keys? or is there another use for them
little dragon
you should probably upgrade your bedroom atleast
since some of those are functional just in giving you alittle menu to see stats
but keys are easier to find than gems
so the only time you should be doing that conversion imo is when you just need 1 more key to get the next thing
or if you have all of the first tab upgrades
(more get unlocked as you spend diamonds)
some of the things youll be spending gems on are expensive, so its good to save for them in advance
languid wolf
you ever think about what the enemies who kill zagreus say to the others
like there have to be some sizable bragging rights there
sly salmon
yeah but is that Numbskull really going to tell his mates how he killed Zag? First, who's going to believe him? Secondly, if a Numbskull -did- kill Zag, it's definitely because Zag was intentionally trying to die.
languid wolf
lmao yeah
modern garnet
When theseus kills you, everyone finds out
languid wolf
i think the minotaur killed me
sly salmon
hm
given an infinite amount of time and an infinite amount of runs, do you think there's a scenario in which Zag still avoids dying unintentionally to a Numbskull?
:o
high island
Just increase the Heat.
chrome wharf
fun interaction of the day: if you reach temple of Styx with no hammers, there can still be an anvil at Charon's shop, but you can't buy it
modern garnet
Yeah? I thought if you didn't have enough hammers the anvil turned into a hammer?
shadow kernel
What sword build should I use for speed
I want to get sub 15 with every weapon and that’s the only one left
brisk trail
I think nem
shadow kernel
With ME?
I found this other build I tried faster than ME
Aphro special Artemis attack with heart rend
brisk trail
dunno which ones faster
thorn marsh
Aphro special Artemis attack with heart rend
ME is still faster according the leaderboards
south lagoon
does Stygian Shard also make lava in Asphodel do extra damage or does it just affect the like actual trap traps
brisk trail
it affects lava
south lagoon
hell yeah
signal aspen
Attack
sly salmon
so buffs that increase attack damage increase the casts that are loaded into the attack?
signal aspen
No
stable glen
Why.
Why did it give me this choice
the two gods that work with this build
sigh
signal aspen
What build are you doing?
signal aspen
Nice
stable glen
Kinda regret it
have both dionysus and ares in my god pool
didn't know I had ares
F
signal aspen
I would've taken dio for the higher rarity boons
signal aspen
All rare or higher
signal aspen
Oh I didn't notice that
tidal osprey
Could someone give me an idea of what happens after a chaos gate? For example, a chaos gate appeared at the same time as a Eurydice door. If I take the gate, does that mean that the Eurydice option I didn’t choose is taken out of the rng pool and won’t appear again this run?
stable glen
So wait, muck
How do mini bosses work
also "all rare or higher"
cuz usually in asphodel
depending on my god pool
I avoid the common boons that are from my keepsake god until the miniboss
signal aspen
Could someone give me an idea of what happens after a chaos gate? For example, a...
Chaos gates replace the next chamber rewards, and if you replace a story room you won't get it again
tidal osprey
Great, thank you v much 👍
signal aspen
How do mini bosses work
Wdym by "how do mini bosses work"?
tidal osprey
Yeah, I took Eurydice in the end. I thought she wouldn’t show again. Anyone though as I bought Light of Ixion from the shop prior
stable glen
Rarity wise
tidal osprey
*annoying though...
stable glen
3 good choice
gonna go apro tho
damn
I just quit
and now it's artemis
hermes
and eurydice
idk
signal aspen
Tbh I don't really know how they work, I just know that they give better boons
stable glen
erebus aphro could give heart rend
but eurydice could bless up and boost my special
what do you think?
hermes can go screw himself, he ain't tryna bond with me
stable glen
I can't tell if that's actual advice or you're memeing
signal aspen
She's not memeing
stable glen
With her, it's hard to tell
high island
I never joke about Lady Aphrodite.
stable glen
One reroll
but worth it
now I can get hunter's mark from artemis
Hmmm
screw true shot
Should I just take the HM?
Does anyone know if hermes
boons
are once per biome
He's one of the final chamber choices
but there's a free pom as well
sly salmon
can hunter's mark, mark the target itself?
high island
No.
sly salmon
:(
stable glen
||Can you use hades' call against him?||
signal aspen
Yeah
stable glen
Ty
How much of an impact does the extra %2 on pressure points have?
It's hard to put into perspective
sly salmon
you'd be critting ~40% more often, if I did my math right
which still isn't much, since it's still 7/100 hits you're critting
but a big percentage increase from 5, nonetheless
high island
Pomming Pressure Points is fine since you have Hunter's Mark.
Curse of Vengeance might do more. They both won't make or break the run.
Flourish isn't worth pomming on Zag Bow unless you have Charged Volley maybe.
sly salmon
hm
what's a good god that I'd want with the hidden shield
uhh
shield of chaos I think
I was going with zeus but I didn't realise it just converted all charges into an aoe
so I switched to aphro for the aoe weak
but maybe because of how slow it is between doing so, hades would be better?
high island
Passion Flare is best for damage.
Get a lot of poms on it and then look for Mirage Shot and Snow Burst.
chrome wharf
||Can you use hades' call against him?||
yes, and it's highly recommended to use the greater call for some fun dialogue (don't worry the call will still work)
stable glen
Is demeters aid any good in a achillies run
randomly got an epic one
but I could purge it for 145
I think I'll keep it for the demeter zeus duo
high island
Which biome are you in?
stable glen
just left asphodel
high island
I'd purge and equip the Sigil.
But that's for DPS.
Nothing wrong per se with keeping Demeter's Aid.
brisk trail
game is good but devs are gay ngl
river vigil
uhm dude that aint nice
anyways, god getting the bad call achievement is annoying thats the only one i havent gotten yet
high island
Yeah, I did that one in Early Access before they added achievements just for the fun voice lines and then didn't bother going for it since 1.0 until last week lol.
I just stood in magma to lose 2 DDs to charge my Greater Call.
river vigil
lol
granite ether
@brisk trail the devs are indeed happy, thanks ^_^
tepid arch
will there be new content in the future in Hades?
granite ether
Very unlikely based on what they've done in the past
granite ether
However I have no crystal ball (or know anymore than y'all) so we'll have to wait and see 
high island
They've made no announcement either way. They said they were gonna take a long break and then figure out what they do next. I think most of them are still on vacation now.
granite ether
Yeah, they be on a well deserved vacation as of now :3
high island
The answer is yes.
kind pagoda
does dash-strike count in the special dash-strike?
cuz I have explosive upper
and wondering if I should take arti dash
high island
Dash-Strike boons boost the Dash-Upper, Dash-Strike hammers do not.
Grab Hunter Dash, yeah.
kind pagoda
aight
modern garnet
Hahaha..... movement chaos curses are BRUTAL when you're facing a boss
calm pelican
is it possible for duo boons which initiate a dialogue to appear ona reroll?
teal belfry
Duo boons can happen on a reroll, but there's no dialogue for them when that happens.
stable glen
Anyone got good aspect of chaos builds?
sly salmon
I'm new and should probably be ignored, but I had a -blast- running rift on cast and athena on attack
especially getting extra cast charges, the rifts were doing over 1k damage -easily- in a massive aoe
stable glen
hmmm
I'm not sure that's the best weapon for a cast build
I might try that on something like achillies spear or poseidon sword
but thanks
sly salmon
aspect of chaos is shield that you can load casts into, yeah?
stable glen
No
sly salmon
oh
stable glen
that's beowful
chrome wharf
shouldn't you use lodging casts for Posi sword
stable glen
Chaos sheild is the one that firs 5 bonus sheilds
stable glen
shouldn't you use lodging casts for Posi sword
Ik, but damage is sweet, it's probably best on achillies
sly salmon
I told you I'm new ;p
stable glen
get artemis on your attack
chrome wharf
oh, right
stable glen
the ares cast
and the duo
throw a hunters mark in there and the whole thing shreds
chrome wharf
I need those rift duos for my hell mode file prophecy hmmmm
chrome wharf
yeah the "hard mode"
chrome wharf
it's basically starting on 5 heat with one of them being hell mode only
stable glen
oh interesting
Idk what would work on chaos
haven't used it since I got zeus sheild
maybe dionysus special with artemis attack and shotgun it, pray for the duo
maybe aphro and artemis
Does sea storm have a cooldown?
river vigil
wait, when exactly do you forge a bond with dusa? its when all her hearts are full rite?
cus for some reason at full heart i still dont have a bond with her, or should i just wait for her to show up in my room?
south lagoon
yeah you wait for new dialogue from her
south lagoon
i approached her from outside my room tho idk if she shows up in there
i checked every time i saw her if she had smthn to say
thorn marsh
wait, when exactly do you forge a bond with dusa? its when all her hearts are fu...
did u already do the quest?
river vigil
did u already do the quest?
yeah
stable glen
guys how does lucifer aspect special work?
does it do any of the special effects from boons while pulsing or just the explosion
so for example, can the pulses crit with deadly flourish or inflict hangover with drunken?
calm pelican
does the hammer upgrade that lets us fire 3 specials rapidly distribute the dmg across those 3 shots? or does each shot have the original's dmg
hollow hawk
original damage @calm pelican
So it triples your special damage essentially
Which is why its considered one of the best lucifer hammers
calm pelican
with lucifer i forget to use attack lol
i just get a dash dmg boon
and dash to the orbs to make them explode
i tried zeus on the special
it explodes if it hits an enemy XD
modern garnet
Yep! The pulse activates lightning, and the lightning activates bomb
sly salmon
Aspect of Zagreus spear
leveling it gives "Special Damage, Range, & Speed"
is that extra special damage, and then the regular attack gains range/speed
or are all 3 buffs for special only
sly salmon
oofs
I just maxed it thinking otherwise
I mean it's only 5
but
still a lot when I won't be using it nearly as much
:(
modern garnet
:( you'll get more blood
sly salmon
the grind has been slowere
main arch
did anyone here get the bad call achievement?
its the only one left to do for me
but like i kill all the enemies before the gauge fills up
modern garnet
Might have to turn up the heat for it then
Jury summons?
Idk i dont have it either
brisk trail
I thought gettinghit also fills up the gauge
modern garnet
yeah thats true
but it's easier to increase enemy health than to increase your own health
brisk trail
thats just what I did when I cut short on the gauge
stable glen
did anyone here get the bad call achievement?
The best way to get it
Is in elysium
Gotta get lucky
you basically just kill the exalted whatevers
and let em respawn
stable glen
Np junko
karmic hare
I thought when I was doing Orpheus storyline that he would gift a companion
I though he would probably play a special song or the Zagreus one and then Zagreus would get a buff if some sort
hollow hawk
only cthonic gods have companions
orpheus is a mere prisoner
though then again ||sisyphus has one too||
stoic flame
wicked sphinx
bouldy is the sole essence of our existence
river vigil
oh wow i suck with gy lmao, even at like 20 heat i always die at hades bcs i burnt my dd in theseus (in em3)
high island
oh wow i suck with gy lmao, even at like 20 heat i always die at hades bcs i bur...
Did you read my Guan Yu guide at all?
brisk trail
extreme measures 3 is so annoying lol, it's not even really hard, just... annoying
high island
Link to guide: #h1-discussion message
If EM3 is killing you at 20 Heat, just turn it off and use another pact.
red tinsel
Hey guys, for some reason despite 80 hours of playing, i still could not achieve the last aspect of shield. what do you think i m doing wrong?
high island
Requirements for the hidden aspects are pinned in #h1-story-discussion. Take a look there.
red tinsel
oh sorry, new guy here. i will check it out. ty 
high island
Nothing to apologize for. 
river vigil
Did you read my Guan Yu guide at all?
i dont think i did thanks
high island
The Acorn helps a lot in the EM3 fight.
green maple
Uhhhh i lost my skill to hades due to not playing for so long
high island
So you could try that if you're not already using it.
high island
Play more.
green maple
OMG LMAO
river vigil
So you could try that if you're not already using it.
yeah i usually use either acord or hades call if i dont have a call
frozen granite
i just unlocked the shield hidden aspect without equipping it
didnt know that is possible
royal perch
I just had my first victory! :D
granite ether
congrats 
royal perch
shield
i've always seemed to do better with the shield
is the shield generally known as an easier weapon?
granite ether
it's generally seen as one of the easier weapons to start with yeah @royal perch
though personally I don't tend to mesh well with the playstyle of shield
hollow hawk
I cant get sub 10
hey you might wanna join the speedrunning discord server if you're interested in going fast
theres an invite link pinned in #self-promotion
theres plenty of good people there that'd be willing to help you out in getting your first sub 10
but in general, you can also check out wriste13's speedrunning beginner's guide, theres some good tips in there that helped me when i was starting out too
main arch
hey you might wanna join the speedrunning discord server if you're interested in...
I think Im pretty fast usually
An average run for me is 13-19 mins
hollow hawk
thats pretty decent indeed
but again, theres a lot of things you may not know, things that can help you go even faster
for me atleast, speedrunning breathed new life into this game
i would've probably stopped playing at 80hrs or so if i hadnt started speedrunning
main arch
thats pretty decent indeed
Well its not like I went fast on purpose, its just how i usually play haha
I will join the discord
main arch
Ill watch it, maybe speedrunning suits me
shadow kernel
Ffs
I was about to beat 32 heat
Second phase of hades fight
Without em4
But I didn’t have enough dashes so I couldn’t keep enough distance
high island
You don't need distance. Time your dashes to i-frame his attacks.
lone kernel
So does anyone know what the ps5 version will entail/is it worth buying (I have for switch)
void vigil
So does anyone know what the ps5 version will entail/is it worth buying (I have ...
4K at a target 60fps, and enhanced controller vibration and lighting according to the website. but there is no new content if that is what youre asking, it is the same game. it also does not have cross save.
granite plinth
daamn
chiron kinda sucks with forced overtime 2
u're stuck in the animation for so long
lone kernel
4K at a target 60fps, and enhanced controller vibration and lighting according t...
ooo, that may be worth it anyway, once they release cross save which I expect they will
lone kernel
Damn.
dusky wedge
I do wonder the what and the why here
I respect their decisions but of course, I’m also a curious person
lone kernel
thanks for having the intel. damn, may need to start a new file lol
but
250 hours :/
dusky wedge
Ehh, what’s another 250h
rapid forum
I started a new file on hell mode, managed to beat dad first time at 7th run
dusky wedge
My Hell Mode save is still stuck
The difficulty, I’m fine with learning new stuffs, but having to unlock everything again, gonna take me a mindset
rapid forum
just saying if you start a new file your progress would be a lot faster than the first time lol
oh yea it will
manic bobcat
Can you add cheats on PS or Xbox?
high island
The difficulty, I’m fine with learning new stuffs, but having to unlock everythi...
I just kept doing it on the side when I felt like playing Hell mode for a change of pace.
tawdry tundra
how do i get more consistent with beating the whats his name blaggard foul fiend dude
im consistent enough with asterius
its just the sheild that gives me so much trouble
like
i can get past
but typically not in a good enough state to beat hades
dusky wedge
It’s Theseus
tawdry tundra
if its the special on spear i swear
dusky wedge
When Theseus uses his god calls, his shield is not up, so pummel him during that
tawdry tundra
i typically tend to get pummeled by the call if i attempt to do so
because its not good to retrace steps usually
dusky wedge
Otherwise, it’s just dodging his attacks (hide between the pillars)
tawdry tundra
its specifically damaging him where to problem generally lies
i can avoid his spear throws fine
or the spin attack
dusky wedge
Dash strikes should help
high island
Just move in a cicle and smack him during his initial Call, pretty much.
Or take him down with burst damage.
dusky wedge
Dash to his back and attack his back
tawdry tundra
my entire fighting style relies on dash attacking like a maniac so
dusky wedge
Oh yeah, saving your call until when he’s calling is big burst damage
tawdry tundra
should i focus asterius first or take their health down gradually
or focus theseus
dusky wedge
Always Asterius first
tawdry tundra
got it
dusky wedge
For most people, Asterius is easier to handle
tawdry tundra
i think i was doing that already but asked just to be sure
dusky wedge
Theseus requires dodging a lot more
south lagoon
yeah it is tough to dodge both theseus's calls and asterius at the same time
dusky wedge
Arte and Aphro are best burst damage alone
Zeus is great with the zeus support boons
tawdry tundra
so zeus synergizes with zeus lol
even though everything synergizes with itself ofc
high island
He does.
dusky wedge
Dio is decent, but it is a DoT
high island
Dionysus' Aid has the best DPS out of the box.
tawdry tundra
what about posidon
high island
But you want to use Lesser Calls for it.
dusky wedge
Full Zeus build is a thing, very good room clear
high island
Poseidon's Aid does some massive damage and is very safe. It's great.
Ares' Aid is... well... emergeny i-frames, I guess?
It's bad.
tawdry tundra
athena has proven to be pretty good to me on some runs
high island
All the others are decent.
tawdry tundra
is going aspect of hades varatha and prioritizing spin attack upgrade daedalus hammers good
so far its worked pretty good to me
but
what attack upgrade would synergize best
brisk trail
serrated point is great
dusky wedge
When I’m playing Hades aspect, I usually focus on special
lone kernel
So it’s less about hoping for one specific god and more about taking what the game gives you
dusky wedge
Just use the spin to mark enemies before I kill them with special
high island
Special is slow if you don't have Exploding Launcher.
tawdry tundra
i have as much of an idea of how to use spear special as i have on how to grate parmesan upside down with a cucumber in my mouth
in other words
i very rarely use the special
high island
That's probably the most effective way to use the Special... unless you have Exploding Launcher.
dusky wedge
What, you didn’t get exploding launcher in every run?
high island
Massive Spin and Quick Spin are great for applying the debuff.
Serrated Point and Exploding Launcher are best for DPS.
high island
Exploding Launcher + Charged Skewer is also an amazing combo if you happen to get lucky with that.
high island
No I mean for applying the debuff from the aspect.
high island
Deadly Strike like Toffel said is the go-to.
dusky wedge
Anything that doesn’t give you special damage like Zeus or dio should be good or decent enough
Means, any other than Zeus or dio
high island
Drunken Strike is great if you have Serrated Point. But otherwise, not really.
tawdry tundra
so its just arte for more spin aoe dps
high island
No, the spin doesn't get bonus damage from your debuff.
low oriole
What
high island
You apply the debuff, then go for Attack and Dash-Strikes.
low oriole
Did chaos just tell me hey you know what would be funny? Killing yo dad with this egg
dusky wedge
Don’t focus too much on the spin, it’s only to apply the debuff
low oriole
Then gave me a quest
high island
Did chaos just tell me hey you know what would be funny? Killing yo dad with thi...
Yes, they did do that.
tawdry tundra
i mean
low oriole
Meme Master chaos
tawdry tundra
massive spin almost makes it viable to me
dusky wedge
Your damage is still mostly come from your attacks and specials
high island
Master Chaos. Neither Lord nor Lady.
low oriole
My bad
tawdry tundra
the 125% damage bonus is pretty huge
high island
And Deadly Strike benefits the most from it thanks to crits.
high island
Well, you apply the debuff and then go for Dash-Strikes right away. I tend to pick Infernal Soul and do a lot of Cast > Dash-Strike x2 > repeat.
Divine Dash for safety, Tidal Dash for raw DPS, Passion Dash for Heart Rend.
tawdry tundra
i lost you already
high island
Hunter Dash for Dash-Strike damage if you have Serrated Point, but otherwise... not really.
tawdry tundra
ive only beaten hades twice calm down
high island
Divine Dash is from Lady Athena. Tidal Dash is from Poseidon. Passion Dash is from Lady Aphrodite and unlocks Heart Rend (Duo Boon with Lady Artemis).
And Hunter Dash is Lady Artemis's own Dash boon.
You start with Deadly Strike and then look for one of those dashes, pretty much.
And try to get Hunter's Mark from Lady Artemis.
dusky wedge
I don’t think the spin itself is doing much damage tbh, and it’s also slow and dangerous to spam
high island
If you get Exploding Launcher, you get a decent Special boon like Deadly Flourish or Heartbreak Flourish.
The spin is mostly just when new enemy waves spawn or for bosses, yeah.
dusky wedge
So the playstyle here is to debuff your enemies and then pummeling them down with attacks and specials
high island
But if you can find ways to work in mini-spins, that's always good. You don't need a max spin to apply the debuff, you just need to hit them at all with a spin.
tawdry tundra
i went through almost the entirety of styx just spin attacking once
and if i remember correctly i used a max charge athena call during the hades boss fight and spun him down over like 2/3 his healthbar
anyway im going to go do a run now
hard pawn
Whats goin on
tawdry tundra
i may or may not be arguing that spin attack on spear is viable for dps
hard pawn
what aspect?
tawdry tundra
hades
high island
But I do high heat and speedruns. Our ideas of "viable for DPS" are likely very different.
hard pawn
I mean the spin attack itself isn't strong its the bonus damage it gives
high island
Achilles is ironically the better aspect for spin builds because the bonus damage applies to spins.
hard pawn
If you have 2 clears so far you're better off listening to the likes of nyaannyaa lol
hard pawn
Achilles is ironically the better aspect for spin builds because the bonus damag...
Yeah lol
dusky wedge
True
hard pawn
Achilles is very flexible 
dusky wedge
Achilles would be better pick
tawdry tundra
i find it funny that the two runs ive won were a meme run where i prioritized centaur hearts over everything that wasnt a daedalus hammer and a spin attack spam run
why do i win when im expecting to not do so
dusky wedge
Well, whatever works, I guess lol
hard pawn
No heat is pretty forgiving from what I remember
high island
Prioritizing HP is probably one of the best strategies if just winning at all is the goal tbh.
hard pawn
Tru
tawdry tundra
aCtUaLlY
dusky wedge
I mean, if it’s working for you, it’s not wrong to just keep working on it lol
tawdry tundra
tHe sPin SpaM rUn WaS dOne On oNe hEaT
hard pawn
okay
tawdry tundra
hahaha epic win
hard pawn
If u enjoy spin u could use achilles and artemis attack
I would get quick before massive if u spam it a lot
tawdry tundra
i would if i hadnt already invested so much titan blood into the hades aspect
hard pawn
But just a warning if u start using timer its gonna be hard using spin as your dominant dps
high island
@vast junco have you done any spin-only runs with Hades Aspect at high heat? I'd think you probably have just for the memes lol.
tawdry tundra
im already using timer just not for competitive purposes
hard pawn
Competitive?
hard pawn
Am talkin abt the pact yeah lol
dusky wedge
i would if i hadnt already invested so much titan blood into the hades aspect
Nah, relax, once you got far, you gonna have a ton of them, trust me
hard pawn
Tight deadline gives u heat points
high island
TD3 is when you start having to optimize your builds and/or playstyles more for DPS.
hard pawn
U can grind blood for easily with it
dusky wedge
Don’t fret too much on spending blood on the “wrong” aspects
tawdry tundra
whats a td3
hard pawn
Tight deadline
high island
Tight Deadline at rank 3.
tawdry tundra
ah
high island
5 minutes per biome.
hard pawn
Aka 5:00 for every region
Its 9 at level 1, 7 at 2 and 5 at 3
And it has scaling heat, very convenient
tawdry tundra
now i am doing a run where ill only use spin for debuff ig
so far ive found one hammer
still in tartarus
high island
It's good to try different things.
hard pawn
You can watch some tailesque videos if you enjoy using hades spear
tawdry tundra
the only upgrade that wasnt special was the triple poke thing
so i took it
im a simple man
i see the word special
i stop reading that upgrade
thus is the way of my spear playstyle
high island
My hammer priority would be: Serrated Point > Exploding Launcher > Massive/Quick Spin > Charged Skewer > whatever else.
hard pawn
Special can be very strong wiyh guan yu
dusky wedge
I remembered Zag aspect spear special builds were the first build I got myself acquainted with, got myself a good lesson on taking the game slowly and carefully when I was still new
high island
And then for second hammer, if you took Exploding or Charged first hammer, then the other one out of those two over anything else.
dusky wedge
Hit them while not getting hit a lot more than them
high island
And otherwise just the same priorities for second hammer.
dusky wedge
Good memories of the early days when I’m still not good at this game lol
high island
Charged Skewer > whatever else
This mainly just for a chance to Charged + Exploding.
tawdry tundra
like said i know about as much on how to use special as i do on how to grate parmesan cheese upside down while wearing a poncho with a cucumber in my mouth
i cant use it
high island
But if it's second hammer, and you don't have Exploding already, just ignore Charged Skewer.
hard pawn
Hades is very intuitive
high island
If you have Exploding Launcher, you don't need to recover your Spear anymore.
So you can just spam it from far or do Special > Dash-Strike x2 > repeat for combos.
tawdry tundra
maybe its just the fact that i dont like ranged attacks in general
i want melee attacks with good range
thats my cup of tea
and thats why i use spear
high island
And if you don't have Exploding Launcher, just ignore the button.
dusky wedge
Hades is very intuitive
True
hard pawn
It is very easy to pick up new weapons, playstyles and builds
And we are very fortunate to have some of the best players in this discord actively helpin out people
You will be surprised at how fun op builds can be
high island
And we are very fortunate to have some of the best players in this discord activ...
Really? Who?
dusky wedge
Isn’t it like “any weapon can be melee if you want it to”? Lol
hard pawn
Really? Who? <:dusa:522248771409543188>
high island
Isn’t it like “any weapon can be melee if you want it to”? Lol <:dusa:5222487714...
There's probably a sub 8 on the leaderboard with every aspect with Merciful End at this point lol.
hard pawn
I never used cast or special until I found some builds on yt and this discord and now I am clinically addicted to achilles
But like 
I think honkra is gone
high island
Probably just focusing on not dying.
chrome wharf
I had Achilles with a buffed Crush Shot one time
hard pawn
Doesn't crush shot latch on
chrome wharf
bull rush to an enemy, do 3x600 or something
hard pawn
Bull rush on achilles
chrome wharf
yeah it does, I used Infernal soul
high island
@hard pawn how's the 50 Heat grind going? What's after 50? Do I have to worry about my 1st place on the High Heat Women's Leaderboard?
vast junco
<@!164508146746785792> have you done any spin-only runs with Hades Aspect at hig...
lol i haven't
(yet)
hard pawn
After finishing 40 I decided today was a break day to use some fun lookin builds to use on #h1-victory-boasting
50 is goin well
I think I've gotten to styx now?
still yet to confront em4 daddy
chrome wharf
Bull rush on achilles <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
LOL what was it called again, raging rush?
dusky wedge
EM4 on 50 heat sounds scary 
high island
Good good. Take your time.