h1-discussion

[peak zealot]

get good at dash attack with bow. it charges faster than normal attack

[cursive cradle]

yeah i just learned there are alternate weapons... again i really havent played much since early access lol

[uncut dagger]

different playstyles I guess

[peak zealot]

As is, you can still make base bow work by abusing special at point blank range

[carmine ravine]

https://mobile.twitter.com/eFreezerArts/status/1384660880848207873

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[modern garnet]

base bow isn't that bad

[uncut dagger]

there are probably people out there that hate Aspect of Chaos which is my favorite Aspect in the whole game
pair it with Drunken Flourish and 👌
the hills sing

[cursive cradle]

dude... just realized... snow burst is really nice wtf

[high island]

1. Dash-Strike, 2. practice.

[modern garnet]

bow just has a learning curve to it

[carmine ravine]

Rama is cool

[cursive cradle]

ill have to mess with bow more

[carmine ravine]

I like rama

[brisk trail]

base bow crits a lot so its good

[peak zealot]

weird, I have found snow burst to be basically useless outside meme beams

[craggy barn]

all bow aspects are p good

[uncut dagger]

yeah I imagine they're pretty good I just kinda
suck with the Bow as well

[craggy barn]

i mean i guess you can't exactly compare them since they all have distinct playstyles

[high island]

Snow Burst is amazing on Hera and Beowulf.

[craggy barn]

^^

[carmine ravine]

The only aspect i kinda hate until today is lucifer

[craggy barn]

snow burst good

the only aspect i hate is zagius

[carmine ravine]

[craggy barn]

it literally might as well be base sword

rush delivery stonks though

[peak zealot]

wait, snow burst is the alt cast? I thought we were talking about the boon that makes your chill stacks turn to damage when you hit 10 stacks

[brisk trail]

zaguis and gilgamesh are very hateable

[carmine ravine]

Nah

[peak zealot]

ya, snow burst is fine. Can you get snow burst on hera?

what am I saying, of course you can

and snow burst isn't alt cast, its the thing that adds an aoe effect to cast

[sharp copper]

Random unrelated question, but does hades work on mac sierra? Apparently it can only 64-bit games, asking for a friend

[craggy barn]

i don't dislike gilgamesh

i just have no goddamn idea how to play it

[sharp copper]

Hera is the goat of bows imo

[craggy barn]

the only thing i know how to do with gilga is dash-only

splash dash good

[peak zealot]

ugh... level 1 chiron fights are so stressful

[craggy barn]

level 1 chiron is sad

[carmine ravine]

Level 1 guan yu instead

[peak zealot]

to be clear, I'm talking about fighting chion on first floor, not using aspect of chiron

[craggy barn]

both lvl 1 chiron and guan yu are sad

[rapid forum]

you mean charon?

[peak zealot]

ya

charon

names are hard

[rapid forum]

he's fine

[carmine ravine]

Ya like hdees

[high island]

Should work. It's 64 bit by default. Worst case, they can get a refund on Steam.

[rapid forum]

or pearseephone

[peak zealot]

its not even that first floor charon is hard, its just a bit time consuming

[sharp copper]

Ok awesome, ty

[carmine ravine]

So simple solution for the names are easy, just add -y suffix on them

[uncut dagger]

this is probably the best butchering of the name Persephone I've seen in my life I award you with the coveted

[carmine ravine]

Charry, haddy, zaggy, aphry

[rapid forum]

aphro sounds better tho

[carmine ravine]

Sounds like a hair cut

[rapid forum]

it is

[carmine ravine]

[rapid forum]

imagine aphro with an afro

[carmine ravine]

I mean disco is pretty popular among hippies i guess

[cursive cradle]

aight hades. with 9 hp wish me luck (with 4 dd lol jk)

[carmine ravine]

Dio would be a great help there

[rapid forum]

abandon all hope

there is no escape

[cursive cradle]

oh i did it lol

what was that quote though? doing the same thing over and over is insanity? basically every rogue like haha

[rare hull]

Far cry 3

[rapid forum]

vaas

[rare hull]

But you don't feel the repetition much though

[carmine ravine]

Its overused and i hate it

[rare hull]

Everytime it feels different

[carmine ravine]

Ironically

[rare hull]

Like I've been trying to fish Smoldering Air in the last two run but still didn't get it

Screeeeeee

[peak zealot]

smoldering air?

[rapid forum]

zeus and aphro duo boon

[rare hull]

I literally had every Aphrodite boon and Zooz Aid

[rapid forum]

one of the best boon

imo

[rare hull]

Sadness

[peak zealot]

oh ya, zues+aphro duo + posiedon aid + upgrade is so much fun

[rare hull]

Even got the Disciple of Aphrodite by the end of the run but duh

No SA

[cursive cradle]

sorry bathroom. yeah i was trying to make a joke with that

[peak zealot]

incindentally, I wish aids were more useful without an epic hermes boon or a duo boon

[high island]

Unlocking Unhealthy Fixation in her pool hurts your chances to get Smoldering Air from her by a lot.

[rare hull]

Really???

[high island]

Yes.

[rare hull]

Got that in Styx though :/

[rapid forum]

it's a pretty crappy legendary anyway

[high island]

What? It's amazing.

[rapid forum]

I mean yea, it gives what? 500 obols when sold

[high island]

Anyway, taking any of Sweet Surrender, Empty Inside, or Broken Resolve makes you eligible for Unhealthy Fixation.

[peak zealot]

unhealthy fixation is the aphro legend? lets you charm enemies?

[rapid forum]

yes

you can charm dad too

[carmine ravine]

Very good on rapid weps

[rare hull]

Took Chiron bow that run

[peak zealot]

I had a really fun build with chiron bow and unhealthy fixation

and +4 special shots

[high island]

If you only want Smoldering Air specifically, then now any time you roll legendary/duo from her, it will pick one at random out of Unhealthy Fixation and Smoldering Air. If you didn't have Unhealthy Fixation unlocked in her pool, then any time you roll leg/duo, it would 100% be Smoldering Air.

[rare hull]

Lol high-five!

And flurry shot

[peak zealot]

I was basically gauranteed to charm whatever I shot at

I didn't have flurry shot

flurry shot is the fast attack but no charge right

[high island]

Unlocking other Duo Boons in her pool causes the same issues.

[cursive cradle]

aight famalam. i think imma go do some mindless poe before bed. thanks for the help/chat!

[rare hull]

Oooh Noted thanks!

[high island]

The same goes for Lord Zeus's boons.

[rare hull]

Aye aye

[uncut dagger]

favorite ||Cthonic Companion?||

[carmine ravine]

Bouldy

[peak zealot]

bouldy, not close

but then I don't generally play with health effects nerfed

[rare hull]

Mort

[peak zealot]

If bouldy wasn't gaining me 40 health, it would be a lot worse

[rapid forum]

meg

[rare gust]

I want to say

That I hate

H A T E

Theseus with Demeter

[dusky wedge]

Will Antos target the same enemy twice if it’s a boss, or will it hit only once ever?

[rare gust]

Antos will smack twice if there is only one target

[dusky wedge]

Oh, cool

[manic moat]

unhealthy fixation is pretty good yo

especially with sweet surrender being such a good boon

[rare hull]

Does Trial of the Gods affect the duo boon between the gods?

[craggy barn]

you can't get duos in trials

you can get legendaries though

[rare hull]

While I was going for SA, I also got into a room to choose between Zooos and Aphrodite, so I thought that might've affected it as well

[rare hull]

Aye aye I understood that, but does the trial affect the following rooms as well? No?

[craggy barn]

no?

[rare hull]

@.@

[native niche]

I got to choose - POM for 5 heat and Poseidon like next room. When i get POM after fight i will be got still Poseidon to choose?

[craggy barn]

there's no guarantee

but there is a chance of him showing up after

[native niche]

ok, but this 'chance' to showing Poseidon is lottery? or is raised because it's next reward for clearing BUT i choose heat reward?

you know what i mean?

[craggy barn]

the chance isn't raised

if you take erebus then there's no guarantee that poseidon may show up in the next chamber

[native niche]

ok.

[main wind]

hello!!

i have a question :DD

||so in my 10th run, i had made it to the surface in 17 minutes. as you all know in the 10th run, you won't battle hades. so you get the final ending and blah blah blah. then when I checked in the administrative chamber, my run was +5 minutes, it became 22 minutes. Is that how it is?||

[dusky wedge]

Sounds like a bug?

[main wind]

it's not exactly 5 minutes but here

ahh i cant send a pic darn

[gray apex]

Link it

[main wind]

wait

Here it is

https://imgur.com/gallery/HVSQoqO

Any idea?

[granite ether]

The igt was likely running post reaching hades untill the point the credits started

Possibly even during the credits

[main wind]

Was it always like that?

[granite ether]

Not sure it's something I've only seen come up one other time

[main wind]

Thank you!

[high island]

Nope.

[rapid forum]

Does ravenous will proc when you load the casts on hera bow?

[rare hull]

Thanks!

[high island]

Yes.

[craggy barn]

ravenous will is a global boost so it actually makes your casts stronger as well

[simple tulip]

i plan on gifting hades to my friend, when will likely be the next steam sale?

[stiff musk]

quick google search implies may 27th-31st then the summer sale after that

[rapid forum]

Great

[edgy bison]

same thing happened to me today too @main wind lmao

[rapid forum]

Cause I got epic ravenous will

[edgy bison]

was heated at the time lowkey

[rapid forum]

And that explains why my zeus cast hits hard

[edgy bison]

thoughts on trippy shot?

[rapid forum]

It's great

Though I wouldn't recommend it without dem+dio duo

Hehe DDD

[main wind]

trippy shot is so good!!

[edgy bison]

i was crackin like 400+ dmg a cast with the demeter duo

my favorite cast to use

[main wind]

Woah, really?

[edgy bison]

Yeah

Let me see if i can find what i had that run

i got to hades around 17 and ended up getting a run time of 21:51.31 since it was my 10th time

was upset cuz i wanted to get sub 20, but a couple runs after i got sub 17

[main wind]

Thank you!!

[brisk trail]

i finally got true ending 🙂

you can fight hades after you win right?

[dusky void]

yep

[edgy bison]

Yeah

[gritty escarp]

my pact of punishment was set so i take 400% damage from traps

was doin well

the urns in the final boss count as traps

i didnt know that

i lost

[elder sandal]

ow

[lusty cedar]

So how is the new patch?
I have not played hades for a while

[signal aspen]

its just bug fixes

and they added japanese to the language menu

[lusty cedar]

I see nice

[rare hull]

[hollow hawk]

...dont take that pact

Unless you're doing 40 heat

tight deadline or extreme measures are much more forgiving

[sturdy sphinx]

I imagine those blades in styx could insta kill you

[signal aspen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659820450297282585/834822428903342090/Screenshot_171.png

double time skip

[tight cave]

Anyone watching the DICE awards? Hades has won one so far, game design.

[silent igloo]

I am! Woot Woot!

[lunar orchid]

hi

can anyone tell me whats wrong with my mirror?

https://imgur.com/a/HXOVWze

i have a 170 escape attempts and 6 succesful runs

theres nothing to say to Nyx

I dont get why I can change from fated authority to persuasion?

[modest frost]

congrats Hades on Dice award!

[silent igloo]

2 so far! Game Design and Action!

[sturdy sphinx]

@lunar orchid still hasn't changed huh? That's so weird

I can't post images but yeah there's supposed to be a little button to the left of each option

[silent igloo]

Award #3 for Hades! Now for Outstanding Achievement in an Independent Game

[modest geode]

We're talking DICE in #video-games

[silent igloo]

Got it thanks

[fading frost]

Does anyone have the Dusa card on steam to trade?

[glad leaf]

pov you're reading this text

[signal aspen]

i didnt read that

[latent current]

Gratz to Supergiant on winning GOTY at DICE

[remote lily]

yes 😄

[quaint fjord]

Congrats to Hades!!!

[ruby mirage]

Congrats to the team, it's a well-deserved victory! I am a latecomer to Hades, being a console player, but ever since I started, I've been constantly mentally tipping my hat to the team. It's an awesome game

[soft kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-another-one-one-more-time-gif-4816107

[sturdy sphinx]

It's a good game tbh

[signal aspen]

nah

[sturdy sphinx]

Oh, well...uh this is awkward but ...

/awards

Oh

[signal aspen]

awards

[sturdy sphinx]

Wait

*awards*

[signal aspen]

bruh

what

[sturdy sphinx]

😎

I slashed the wrong way

[signal aspen]

awards

[sturdy sphinx]

awards

Ok it's starting to look like a fake word

[high island]

You should ask for help in #h1-tech-support.

Oh you already have. Nevermind me.

[coarse marten]

once you level it guan yu is so much fun

[calm bone]

Hades 2: Attack of the Titans

[sturdy sphinx]

After unlocking guan yu I immediately got the hidden aspects for bow and sword back to back

Doing my first arthur blade run now

[median glen]

arthur is my favorite sword aspect

[sturdy sphinx]

Some of the hits with crit are doing 995 damage lol

[coarse marten]

kget triple dash strike and arti dash with guan yu. I have done like 1k dmg on a normal dash hit

[sturdy sphinx]

Noted ✍️

[tough turret]

hell-o

hahaha

[narrow hemlock]

[rare gust]

Man all these load cast weapons have potential for stupid amounts of burst DPS

[green dune]

ya

[signal aspen]

Ya

[sturdy sphinx]

Think I just saw a 2395 damage crit on one of the wizard shooty ball guys

This sword is so beefy

[craggy barn]

arthur moment

[manic moat]

lmao who else first thought that D.I.C.E looked like dlc

[low jay]

[rapid needle]

time for some drunk Hades after not playing for 2 months

[rapid needle]

uh welp

got to Hades 2nd phase w/o too much trouble

got 2 shot on my last life somehow, that shouldn't have happened

decent try for the first time in 2 months on 14 heat EM4

[vapid narwhal]

two hits from dad can easily take 70-80HP off you so not that surprising

[rapid needle]

thing is though I had like 230-ish max health, so 115 after rez

and I had Aphro attack with increased debuff

and spearpoint

so the first hit did like 27-ish damage

I was using Talos Fists so I didn't have any debuffs that would've caused me to take increased damage

I'm pretty sure I respawned, took 27 damage on one hit, then got killed immediately on the second hit (which shouldn't have even damaged me b/c of spearpoint)

but I was kinda drunk so probably I just missed something

[uncut ore]

hey guys

I kind of didnt play this game for a while

do you know a good eris build?

[modern garnet]

aspects that give you increased attack damage benefit from increased attack damage

[uncut ore]

ok

I currently have zeus, athena, demeter

do I get ares?

[modern garnet]

what does your core look like?

attack, special, dash, cast

[uncut ore]

https://imgur.com/a/AdP6fI2

like this rn

wait do I take artemis?

in charon's shop

[modern garnet]

artemis always rocks

ideally youd get artemis on attack, I don't think the zeus attack synergizes with the eris effect

[gray apex]

It does, Zeus attack on Eris is one of the best, try to get Jolted to make it even stronger, Artemis would work really well on Special not on attack, or you could do Artemis with Spread Fire Zag Rail but that's a totally different build

[high island]

Have you seen this excellent Eris guide yet? https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/eris-rail-guide/

[modern garnet]

Hmm seems like I've misunderstood what Zeus attack does

[high island]

Eris's bonus is a global damage buff.

It applies to everything but summons and traps.

So it's amazing for any flat damage boons like lightning, hangover, etc.

And of course for high damage dashes like Tidal Dash.

[modern garnet]

Oh I see... I assumed it worked like talos aspect

So THAT'S why everyone runs eris all the time

[gray apex]

Yea the buff is massive

[modern garnet]

Damn... just after spending all my blood on zag rail...

Me and my 24 ammo :(

[high island]

You'll get more!

[uncut ore]

Yeah same I spent all my blood on zag aspects

[uncut ore]

that seems great. Ill try it

[uncut ore]

https://imgur.com/a/gJlskks

I feel like this is my best chance at winning yet

with gun

gun is so weak I wanna win with it 😦

I have 2 dds and 200 hp

noooo

I died

yeah that marks it

50 gun attempts

[tight cave]

I've been running Eris rail for a while and the ideal build for me is Zeus on attack (with Static Discharge, can even work your way up to Zeus' legendary Splitting Bolt which is a lot of fun), Artemis on Special, Poseidon's Cast and Dash, Zeus' Aid, Cluster Bomb and Rocket Bomb. If you get good RNG you might even get Sea Storm which is completely OP with Tidal Dash.

I remember on my first few gun attempts I thought it was overrated and weak, but then I got a build similar to the one outlined above and ate my words.

[brisk trail]

your gun build was fine tbh

[uncut ore]

god

[uncut ore]

I didnt do 50 attempts but still

ive never ever won with gun

and I tried so many times

shield just seems objectively better

[brisk trail]

Gun is really good maybe you just havent figured out how to play it well

[simple blaze]

my first win was with rail

your special can do tons of damage if you get triple bomb from hammers

[rapid forum]

Ah yes the classic strategy of blowing the ever living undead out of everyone

[tight cave]

Nothing better than getting all three specials on the exact same spot as an enemy is in their spawning animation, firing the attack as they spawn and then just instantly killing them.

[native niche]

which specials? could you explain 😄 ?

[hollow hawk]

theyre talking about the rail special combined with the triple bomb hammer

[rigid crane]

Favourite boon in your opinion?

[high island]

Blown Kiss. 💕

[rigid crane]

For me it’s cursed slash

I just love the life steal

[signal aspen]

bro thats not a boon

[rigid crane]

It’s not?

What is it

[signal aspen]

hammer upgrade

from daedalus

and daedalus is not a god

[rigid crane]

Those sent counted as boons?

Mhm my B

[signal aspen]

things from gods are boons

[signal aspen]

its fine

[rigid crane]

I’ve only been playing for like 1 day lol

[low jay]

Who's using attack on cursor when using adamant rail?

[gray apex]

Disabling it is better

[low jay]

Oh yah just tried it better accuracy

[crude surge]

I mean controls are always down to personal preferance

[low jay]

Just less accuracy when using chant tho

Just have hard time pointing enemies while dashing

When enabled

[low jay]

What's the powerful aspect for claw?

[crude surge]

I like the magnet one personally

[low jay]

I see

[modern garnet]

Talos is the "coolest", demeter deals big damage but only if you pour blood into it, and zag fists, well... it's easy to underestimate dodge chance

Everyone hates hidden fists fsr, but I'm a furry so

[signal aspen]

aspect of demeter is best for big damage

[low jay]

Yah but Talos kinda cool wanna try

[half zephyr]

I like fists cuz it's fun to punch things

[low jay]

God mode can apply even with pact of punishment? Just finished the boss recently

[half zephyr]

yes

[low jay]

Is there any demerit using it I feel like cheating?

[high island]

Demeter Aspect is just the best all around tbh. Talos is fun, but Zag Fists are better. The hidden aspect is a contender for worst aspect in the game, at least that's the current concensus among top players. It's just not very good.

[half zephyr]

all the runs are stored on its own thing, so when you take it off it appears like you haven't done the runs you have, even if that's not the case

it still counts as having done them, you just can't see it

[low jay]

Ohh nice it's like practice mode but actual match

[half zephyr]

use it if you want to or don't use it

[low jay]

[half zephyr]

I'm the weird one that's running hell mode for heat practice cuz I'm scared to die on my main file

[low jay]

I don't wanna die more than I have to

[modern garnet]

Would hidden fists be good if they gave you like 3 times more extra dashes

[half zephyr]

it's meh imo

cuz maim is meh

dash is ok tho

but maim just

[high island]

lol possibly, that would make dash builds a lot stronger. Hard to tell those things without actually trying them, though.

[low jay]

What do you think is the hierarchy on weapons rn? I feel like Adamant rail is just too powerful

[half zephyr]

too many dashes can be bad too though

if you don't get a good dash going

so easy to end up in magma...

[half zephyr]

everyone has their own opinion that sometimes matches with others opinion

[hardy arrow]

I like maim just fine, there's a particular combo I love to do

[high island]

I don't think misplay should factor in.

[brisk trail]

I think shield, rail and bow are above the others although every weapon has at least one good aspect

[high island]

If you dash into magma, that's not the fault of the extra dashes but your own.

[hardy arrow]

Where I lob a trippy shot at an enemy, maim them before it lands and slaughter them while they're trapped in the festive fog

[half zephyr]

it was the extra dashes!

I'm not used to getting epic greatest reflex

[high island]

There are a lot of SGG fans who play their games for the story rather than the challenge. God Mode allows them to do that. That was kind of the idea behind that, from what they said in AMAs and stuff.

[half zephyr]

suddenly I had moar dashes & I just tend to keep pressing the button knowing it won't do anything >.>

but there was a magma lake behind the witches..

[low jay]

What is this aspect of beo? The ??? Aspect on every weapons?

[brisk trail]

its the hidden aspect of shield

[half zephyr]

I dun like it

[low jay]

[half zephyr]

but that's me & me not being able to use shield properly

[high island]

Hidden shield is super strong.

[half zephyr]

I'm too used to the beyblade way

loading casts & doing the rush just doesn't work for me

I don't normally use the cast much during runs, and I'm not too used to using the rush either

[high island]

It might be good practice for both, then.

[half zephyr]

at least I won't have to think about aspects for a while on my practice file

I have yet to unlock the rail

[low jay]

[high island]

Remapping your Cast to LB/L1 or something if you play that aspect and Hera is a good idea.

[half zephyr]

I'm actually amazed I've made it to Heroes at all

[half zephyr]

then I really would never use it..

I get too used to my buttons being mapped the way they are it throws me off when they're different

I can't remember in the middle of fighting that I've changed it

threw me for a loop when I forgot the settings would be default on the hell mode file cuz I kept pressing A expecting to use special, and instead it was my cast

[low jay]

It's like playing like a starter if you overhaul your controls that much

I usually adjusts a little when I want to change something

[high island]

Loading your Casts is very different from using your Casts on other aspects.

[half zephyr]

yes, but still

I wouldn't be used to using the buttons for that

[low jay]

Hardheaded icic

[half zephyr]

I'm ok not using beo much

[brisk trail]

I just kinda mash cast while rushing

it works

[low jay]

[modern garnet]

One time i had a cast aspect run with the demeter boon that causes a blast when you cast. It was a mindbendy kind of build where I had to keep track of what attacks I was able to do based on where exactly my cast is

Sometimes I'd cast at nothing so I could pick up my casts and load them, for the aoe

[loud loom]

halloooo

i gotta say. at first i hated this game. then liked it after.

damn hydra.

[half zephyr]

Snek just wants to boop you

[loud loom]

pretty much all it does

[half zephyr]

Sometimes it boops you a bit too hard

[loud loom]

yah, and he screams of pain or pleasureee???

[half zephyr]

Well, it’s amazing they scream at all with no vocal chords

[loud loom]

i just think the whole them is a mommy issue

or daddy. i cant tell.

[half zephyr]

Poor snek

[loud loom]

which one. but,

i wouldn be so mad if im hades kid

[signal aspen]

I just finished the than achievement and maxed the keepsake, now 7 more keepsakes to max until i completed all achievements

[loud loom]

i think i have most of the keepsake.

gotta check again and see

[signal aspen]

wait why do you have to get killed by asterius to get the dialogue for the signature that hypnos wants

[uncut dagger]

because Hypnos wouldn't know about Asterius otherwise?

[signal aspen]

well i have killed asterius 300 times and zag has not mentioned killing asterius once

[uncut dagger]

I mean
"oh hey Hypnos, how are you doing? also I killed a Minotaur once"

[signal aspen]

well yeah

how all conversations should be

if hypnos is a fan of asterius then he should talk about asterius

[uncut dagger]

eh, I think it makes sense

[signal aspen]

well i think its dumb that you have to die to get the dialogue

[uncut dagger]

jokes on you 'cause I died to him once so it's not a problem for me B)

[signal aspen]

i never got the dialogue because i had a 200 win streak

[uncut dagger]

well then it's your fault, should've died more

/j

[clear oasis]

dying to theseus after killing asterius gives the same dialogue 🥲

[rare gust]

picks future spear
forgets to use Thick Skin
enters chaos gate

[uncut dagger]

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooof

I've always had the question
can you die from Touch of Midas/Chaos Gates?
or does the game refuse to grant you because you'll die if you go through with those

[modern garnet]

I know you can't die of chaos gate

[rare gust]

It'll gate you out from it

I tried

[modern garnet]

Same

[rare gust]

It does the thing where the hearts are red, same with gold in the well when you've insufficient funds

[signal aspen]

You can't take them if you have health lower than the price

[signal aspen]

My bad

[high island]

Snow Burst is a big factor in a lot of Hera and hidden shield runs.

[uncut dagger]

aw man, I kinda wanted a funny situation
:(

[tight cave]

Kinda wish you could use up a Death Defiance to visit Chaos. I mean, I wouldn't myself on most runs but it'd be good to have the option.

[brisk trail]

I just got a duo boon that lets my god gauge fill up automatically (zeus lightening strike ) it's insane I think I can finally beat the game now it's my 21st run I can just run around the arena and spam "f" while they take damage automatically

[hardy arrow]

I feel exactly the same way about that duo but be careful because victory is far from guaranteed

Especially since that's something of a close range call.

[signal aspen]

Sa is an insane boon

[hardy arrow]

I think where it really helps, especially with early clears, is the strategy just becomes so straightforward. Spam call, don't get hit.

You don't have to worry so much about setting up your combo to apply this and that and positioning for your backstab and charging your powershot and fetching your bloodstone.

[brisk trail]

I was just stuck in the spear guy fight I think I can pass him now

im using stubborn reborn and the shield weapon

the shield enemies are so annoying

[hollow kettle]

My favorite thing in the world is Zagreus muttering ”Sorry, Than...” under his breath when he gets hit while he has the Pierced Butterfly

[narrow hemlock]

Because all of hypnos's dialogue about things going on outside the house require zag dying.

zag dies
hypnos sees zag's cause of death
hypnos comments on cause of death

so therefore it makes sense that

hypnos sees zag died to asterius
hypnos reminded he wants an autograph
hypnos continues asking about it in instances he sees zag die to asterius or theseus

[brisk trail]

finally beat the spear guy haha

[rare gust]

Congrats!

[crude surge]

spear man hard

nice job

[rare gust]

You can also use Piercing affected stuff to go through his shield if you need to know

Artemis' Aid, Artemis' Cast, and some hammer upgrades

[brisk trail]

thanks it was easy I just blocked their attacks and spammed smoldering air, couldn't do it without that boon

[rare gust]

Artemis' Aid is always solid to have around as a finisher if you asked me

[brisk trail]

I got lucky and met that guy before the boss fight now my stubborn defiance restores 80% of my health for next 15 encounters and I have 300 health so, I think I can take down hades himself this time

and I still have my lucky tooth

[modern garnet]

Heck yeah

[rare gust]

It's interesting to think overall

Death Defiance could technically restore more health per single encounter

But Stubborn Defiance could restore more overall

[brisk trail]

yeah stubborn feels "safer"

it also acts as a health restoring mechanism I can just kill myself using bombs around the arena if my health too low

[rare gust]

Which is why endgame players prefer it

I think of it as a flat 30% HP buff tbh

[brisk trail]

is there a way to know which door has the Cerberus thing I don't wanna go through more than 13 encounters or I'd lose my 50% extra stubborn health I need that for hades

[hardy arrow]

No it's random

[rare gust]

Nope

Random

[cerulean ferry]

It's never the 1st one. Everything else is random

[rare gust]

It's based on luck

Here's what I found is optimal, though

For the first of the five, pick the one without bosses (the tiny skulls by the rewards)

Afterwards, run whichever you need

Doesn't really matter to me if you picked bosses earlier or later, especially with stubborn

[brisk trail]

so many traps in these rooms glad I got the 75% damage reduction from traps

[rare gust]

Just got my first sub 19

I didn't even chase a build

Just spammed zeus

[brisk trail]

miniboss rooms actually give better rewards and are faster to clear but you need to be comfortable clearing them

the poison mouses are hard

[rare gust]

Dodge, dash, and keep clear

If you're running fists, pray you get long knuckle

Or Athena's attack to fling the darts back at those damn satyrs

[brisk trail]

I have a shield

got the dog thing on 2nd door, now time for hades

[cerulean ferry]

Good luck!!

[rare gust]

You can shield hades lazer

And shielding the boiling blood

Alsoa good move

Nothing remains after that

[hardy arrow]

Oh yeah pretty much every Hades attack will be blocked if you face him with your shield raised

[brisk trail]

my bull rush can also do 500% more damage if I power rush it and I have 100% more damage from other sources should be good

[hardy arrow]

You can block while calling Zeus so this should go fine

[brisk trail]

first phase done easily melted him with power rush and smoldering air

[signal aspen]

I'm just mad that I had to wait to get the dialogue because I didn't want to lose my streak

[brisk trail]

done, is it just me or is the shield kinda op

this was my first time fighting him lmao

[signal aspen]

All weapons are op with a good build

[hardy arrow]

Shield + smoldering air + Zeus's aid is what's OP here

[signal aspen]

Sa and zeus call is a normal build

[brisk trail]

but that "charged attack" power rush with shield that does 500% more damage is really good too, if timed correctly it keeps doing around 300 constantly

to hades anyway

[signal aspen]

I got a build where everytime I manually reload my gun and dash strike my shots would deal 500 damage

[brisk trail]

with bow you need to keep a distance and also can't block

[signal aspen]

Blocking isn't that good

I feel like the hit box for your shield block is weird

[brisk trail]

blocking + Minotaur rush is amazing

[hardy arrow]

It is on M&K, you can whip around on a dime in that Hades fight and block shockwaves, aim your rush anywhere with perfect accueacy

[modern garnet]

Shield is real good if you know how to block

[brisk trail]

I also did like hades first try with shield its a very very good starting weapon

but other weapons have advantages once you can play them

[rare gust]

Old reliable

[brisk trail]

I think the only things you can't block are the circle area attacks (aoe ones) like the purple circles from meg

[hardy arrow]

I was afraid to use Beowulf for a long time because I thought based on the extra damage and the way Zagreus stands in his charging stance that Beowulf just didn't block.

[rare gust]

When only you have attacks that goes through shields

[brisk trail]

how do you pierce shields ? those shield guys in elysium give me a lot of trouble

u dash behind them or get something thats actually piercing

but this property is rly rare

[signal aspen]

Just wait for them to attack and then dash behind them

[high island]

Greatshields always spawn facing east, by the way.

[brisk trail]

are Olympian favor, god's legacy and god's pride worth it ? they increase the chance for better rarity boons I have around 2k idk what to spend them on

[high island]

God's Pride and God's Legacy, yes. Dark Foresight is way better than Olympian Favor.

[rare gust]

Well if shields are the problem normally you need to jebait them

Problem is for some reason they decided that it be a base mechanic that armored foes are a lot more vicious

When their guard is down after an attack, you throw everything at them

[brisk trail]

does help when you're fighting 5 of them at once then their eyeballs regenerate when you're busy killing the rest

or when you're stuck on those "two boons" rooms where Athena keeps giving them shields every 4 sec effectively making them immortal

[rare gust]

Athena is the easiest to deal with, I find

Demeter is the worst

Let's see, worst to best to deal with

[high island]

You either get close to bait their melee attack, then empty-dash behind them go to get in your hits, or you can hit them as they ready their ranged attack because they raise their shield for a moment.

[brisk trail]

in elysium athena is hardest for me cause enemies "eyeballs" or whatever those things are gain shield they immediately regenerate

especially if they have armor

[high island]

Ideally, you attack them from the left side right as they spawn because they will always be open there.

[rare gust]

Athena, Poseidon, Aphrodite, Zeus Dionysus Artemis Ares are all the same to me, Demeter is the worst

[brisk trail]

Demeter is the drunk god that spawns those purple stuff on the ground ?

[rare gust]

That's Dionysus

[uncut dagger]

no that's Dionysus

[rare gust]

Demeter

Oh wait

[uncut dagger]

Dionysus is the cool guy

[rare gust]

Have you fought Hades yet?

[brisk trail]

I just beat him yeah

[rare gust]

Ah yeah then you'll soon see Demeter

[brisk trail]

for the first time

[rare gust]

She's the last of the gods to sorta be introduced

I think the trigger for her is meeting Hades at the end

[uncut dagger]

yeah

[rare gust]

Her stuff is actually pretty good, and if you ask me you cannot go wrong with her stuff

Except maybe her cast, but that's for meme builds

It works, but you need to invest EVERYTHING around the cast

[high island]

I don't know about everything. You just need Crystal Clarity, and it'll do some work.

[brisk trail]

cast is very bad in general I dont upgrade my cast abilities on the mirror at all

[rare gust]

You should, casts can do hell of a play

And if you're lucky, like I was

7 bloodstones paired with Artemis' stuff

You can effective delete any boss from the game

[uncut dagger]

I don't really do many Cast builds because Casts, while powerful, are limited
(only if you use the Mirror talent that gives you +2 Casts though)

[rare gust]

Just use Poseidon lol

[uncut dagger]

I'm more of a Attack/Special kind of guy

[rare gust]

Poseidon is fun

[high island]

I've cleared the game in 14:35 RTA with a Cast build. I dunno about Cast being very bad.

[uncut dagger]

oh hell yeah Poseidon is fun

but I won't go like, hard on investing Poms into it

[rare gust]

I just got my first sub 20

[uncut dagger]

[brisk trail]

stygian soul is better than infernal soul for cast right ?

[rare gust]

And I'm INCREDIBLY UPSET

[high island]

Infernal Soul is used in most Cast builds.

[uncut dagger]

good job man!

[rare gust]

I wasn't even chase building

[high island]

Sub 20 is nice. Congrats.

[rare gust]

Malphon Demeter, Zeus everything

Then comes Hermes with the +3 Dashes and 30% Attack Speed

[high island]

My 14:35 RTA was a 7:47 IGT.

[rare gust]

And then Breaching Knuckles (I think) which shreds armors

I wasn't even going that fast

So that pisses me off because if I tried I could've actually went fast

[uncut dagger]

well now you know

and knowing's half the battle

[rare gust]

From now onwards

Speedrun every attempt

Might as well get the deadline thing

I've also picked favorites for all my weapons now, it's just the matter of getting good

[brisk trail]

should I get fated authority or persuasion now or spend my 2k on dark foresight

[rare gust]

Except.... Exagryph.

[high island]

Dark Foresight.

[rare gust]

I cannot seem to find myself enjoying Exagryph

Hestia is kinda fun, but it is either overkill or not enough

[uncut dagger]

did you get the Hidden Aspect yet?

[rare gust]

Eris is not cutting it for me yet

And yes I did

[uncut dagger]

aw man

[rare gust]

Every here seems to like Eris and I'm just sitting here like "I could've went with default"

[uncut dagger]

honestly I've been in the same boat but then I just kinda experimented with Luci and I found myself reasonably enjoying it

I even got a Record with it

[high island]

You'll get plenty of sub 15s and stuff eventually, so don't be too upset about not particulary trying to go fast that run. It just shows you're improving.

[rare gust]

||Lucifer|| doesn't feel very fun to use

[uncut dagger]

anything you can pinpoint about it?

[signal aspen]

Luci is fine

[rare gust]

I cannot explain why

[uncut dagger]

I think it's quite entertaining, mainly because of the Strategy that goes into Hellfire

[rare gust]

I probably just need to get the hang of it because I keep focusing on one gimmick or the other

[uncut dagger]

it gives more leway because I don't have to rely on solely aiming well

[rare gust]

The Specials provide interesting use which I should probably experiment more with

[high island]

A lot of "trying to go fast" can backfire because you end up rushing and making mistakes rather than focusing on clean execution, which is how you actually go fast.

[uncut dagger]

I suck at aiming

[rare gust]

But that'd mean I have to max it out

Which I only unlocked it so far

[uncut dagger]

yeah I did that and it went pretty 👌

[uncut dagger]

yeah, that does suck
but
it'll be worth it?

[high island]

Eris has +75% GLOBAL damage. Zag Rail has no chance coming close. That's +75% on your Lightning Strike, on your Jolted, on Tidal Dash, your Calls, etc. etc.

And you have that bonus damage practically full-time.

[rare gust]

Mkay

[high island]

You can shoot your Special every time you reload since you can reload while using your Special.

[rare gust]

I know my next meme run

[high island]

Very common to just press Reload + Special at the same time.

[rare gust]

Demeter Cast Eris

[high island]

Well, there'd be better aspects if you just want to a Crystal Beam run lol.

[signal aspen]

Or you can just use achilles spear and double that damage

[high island]

But yeah even that works.

[rare gust]

Achilles is also global right?

[signal aspen]

Cast and attack

[rare gust]

Huh

Alright, yeah that could work

[high island]

It's bonus damage to your Attack and your Cast, yeah.

[rare gust]

I don't like Achilles that much, being honest

I've found myself using Hidden or Hades more

Finding time to pull off spins works for me

And considering my playstyle with the spear is throwing dash strikes at every opportunity

[high island]

It's not double, though.

[uncut dagger]

Aspect of Hades is my Varatha main, but should I try out Achilles?

[rare gust]

It works, I guess

Everyone in the damn community says Achilles > Hades

[signal aspen]

2

[rare gust]

Achilles doesn't feel fun to use

[high island]

Stupid German keyboard I borrowed. Can't wait for my new one to arrive tomorrow.

[uncut dagger]

the Raging Rush kinda throws me off

[rare gust]

Kinda jank movement, having to displace myself for the sake of added damage

Also let's be real here

Spear special is kinda wack

[signal aspen]

Just attack to pull it back

[rare gust]

Raging Rush doesn't prompt when you retrieve it???

[uncut dagger]

wait you can do that?

[signal aspen]

Wont get the bonus tho

[rare gust]

Yeah, precisely

[high island]

2 * 1.75 would be 3.5, but Achilles's Cast damage multiplier is 2.5.

[uncut dagger]

oh well then what's the point at that point I'd rather just use Aspect of Zag

[rare gust]

Me using the secret spear and seeing Blood Price in the well

[signal aspen]

More damage

[rare gust]

"Free money"

[high island]

Those are some hot takes lol. Achilles is one of the best DPS aspects in the game.

[uncut dagger]

I dunno if it's because I haven't upgraded ||Guan Yu|| or not but it recovers SUUUUUUUPER SLOWLY

[signal aspen]

You just bad

[rare gust]

Oh uhhh no

Though you should max it out before you even use it

[uncut dagger]

okay, ha ha, very funny

[rare gust]

To my surprise though, I did really well with it

I got it, ran it, died at hades because I can't dodge

But the penalty is HUGE

You need to max it out first if you want to live

||This was before I learnt the charge attack did healing, actually. I was just a spin spammer and didn't even notice the heals.||

[high island]

They're not wrong, exactly. Guan Yu is very much a "git gud" aspect. But it's also one of the best aspects for no-hitting a run.

[rare gust]

If you get Quick Spin + the custom hammer

That's it

You've won

[high island]

Best hammer for Guan Yu by far is Charged Skewer.

[signal aspen]

Custom is my favorite daedalus upgrade

[rare gust]

Because to my surprise, you can actually stagger foes and keep them there once their armor breaks

The attack hits at a surprising rate

Big spin is also helpful, more radius means more time to keep them there

Pull it off constantly and you can rake an easy 4 digits, attack boons matter of course

And it occupies a large area of effect too, throw it at a satyr and they cannot do jackcrap

Darts cannot fly through it

I find the best results often come from Athena of course

[sinful reef]

That sounds nice

[rare gust]

You can even run inside it like a shield

[high island]

Lemme copy-paste something real quick.

[rare gust]

It is, you can gank the Satyr boss with it

[high island]

Nyaanyaa's Guan Yu Guide
Generally on Guan Yu, the hammers you want are Charged Skewer > Quick Spin > Massive Spin > Serrated Point. Breaching Skewer and Serpent Wing also alright. And Breaching Skewer becomes top priority for the second hammer if you have Charged Skewer already.

Charged Skewer shortens the startup of Guan Yu's Special a whole lot and lets you hold your Special for up to triple base damage.

You'll want Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish ideally, anyway, for the high % damage. Guan Yu's Special has 45 base damage, piercing, and wide AOE. Anything with % damage is good on Attack except Tempest Strike is unorthodox and requires fully leaning into Poseidon to make it work (though it can be effective and fun).

For optimal DPS, you're either doing Special > Dash-Strike x2 or Cast > Dash-Strike x2 with Guan Yu. Cast for single-target, Special when you can hit multiple enemies with it (or if you have Charged Skewer). And just your Special and reposition if it's enough to one-shot things (which it often is if you have Charged Skewer).

There are two ways to charge the spin: from a normal Attack and from a Dash-Attack. 99% of the time you want to charge from a Dash-Attack. And there are three ways to release a spin: let go of Attack, Dash, and Dash-Attack. Letting go of Attack is the safest method and how you want to release it most of the time. It's also usually the best method for keeping the spin on your enemy. Releasing with a dash gives you i-frames and a lot more range for the spin, but it travels faster. You mainly use that to quickly escape a situation or to throw your spin at very far-away enemies. And releasing with a Dash-Attack gives you the extra range that a Dash gives but without any of the i-frames, but the benefit is that you can immediately charge a new spin. This method is the most aggressive and best for DPS, and it can keep you within the Deflect spin if you happen to use Divine Strike.

[modern garnet]

I got real lucky that my first gy run was the one where hades doesn't fight you

[rare gust]

Question

Does Hermes' attack buff affect arrow charge?

[high island]

Yeah, but not for Dash-Strikes.

[brisk trail]

I got charged shot it turns my bull rush into some kind of arrow but it pierces enemies + some damage buffs and sudden rush it's freaking insane

i can do over 150 damage every second I dont even need to charge my bull rush cause the damage is the same, charged or not and it pierces through shields

the chaos guy says the shield isn't only a defensive weapon the dps on this thing is insane

think I can kill my 2nd hades now

[high island]

Yeah, Charged Shot is easily the best shield hammer.

Good luck!

[weary inlet]

What's the difference between leveling up a boon and upgrading its rarity?

[rare gust]

Max secret Aegis time let's goooo

@weary inlet Levelling up a boon is often more immediately potent than levelling up its rarity. Think of rarity as rate of growth, meaning it has a more powerful escalation than the lower tiers

[weary inlet]

Oh okay

[rare gust]

But, as all pommable boons follow, if you had to pick between the two

A level 2 common boon is better than a level 1 rare

[high island]

No, that's not right.

[rare gust]

It... isn't?

[high island]

Pom bonuses and rarity bonuses are just additive.

[rare gust]

Wait, that was what I was told

[high island]

Base is Lv.1 common, and any pom or rarity bonuses are based on that and just added on top.

[weary inlet]

Yeah, but what's the difference between changing its rarity and using a pom of power?

[high island]

Poms have diminishing returns as you add more poms. Some boons can't be pommed at all, but you can still increase their rarity.

[weary inlet]

Oh okay

[brisk trail]

so im just about to fight the spear guy again I opened a boon should I pick ice win duo or nourished soul

"bonus restoration 30%" does that mean till the end of the game my stubborn will heal 60% instead of 30% ?

[signal aspen]

Ice win duo?

[brisk trail]

wine *

[signal aspen]

Oh

Nourished soul doesn't affect stubborn roots

Wait

[brisk trail]

nvm then

[signal aspen]

Wrong thing

Both of them are not affected

[brisk trail]

the shield is so good, I practically melted the spear guy and his friend this time took less than a minute

[signal aspen]

Nice

[brisk trail]

it's thanks to the charged shot

with sudden rush

[signal aspen]

Charged shot is great

You don't really need sudden rush with charged shot because you don't need to charge it

[brisk trail]

doesnt charging it increase the distance ?

[signal aspen]

Yes

But when you have enough damage you don't need long range

[brisk trail]

yeah but it pierces through stuff like right now I was focusing on the Minotaur but Theseus was standing far away, I somehow managed to remove half of Theseus's health by hitting Minotaur with charged shot infront of me

so two for one

and with sudden rush it takes like less than a sec to charge up

[signal aspen]

Cool

[brisk trail]

the best part is I'm dealing freeze damage and when it stack up to 10 they go boom kinda op

[signal aspen]

Arctic blast is great

[brisk trail]

just beat hades first phase and im on that contract that gives bosses more tactics

he spawned more minions

[signal aspen]

Wait

What

Extreme measures 4?

[brisk trail]

yes

beat him

[signal aspen]

Oh no

Wait you beat him

[brisk trail]

yeah was easy af melted him

[signal aspen]

1st phase?

[brisk trail]

I had frost thingy as my call tho it dealt a lot of damage

no both, with charged rush, cold abilities and uh

[signal aspen]

2 phases?

What about the 3rd?

[brisk trail]

was only 2

killing freeze, quick favor, clouded judgement and demeter's aid

[signal aspen]

So you were not playing extreme measures 4

[brisk trail]

no only 1

but he did spawn more minions I think he was more aggressive

[signal aspen]

Extreme measures 1 does not affect hades

[brisk trail]

didn't need more than 1 heat cause it was my first time

[signal aspen]

Only affects the furies

Em2 affects furies and hydra

[brisk trail]

extreme measures seemed like the safest contract to pick

[modern garnet]

I wonder if "jury summons" affects hades when he does summons

[signal aspen]

I don't think so

I just played with no js and it didn't affect hades

[brisk trail]

is rod of fishing worth buying or should I save my diamonds

[signal aspen]

Yes

Free materials

[brisk trail]

got it

[high island]

Charged Shot + Sudden Rush is the best combo you can get. It doesn't just increase the rate at which your attack charges, it also reduces the time until your attack begins charging. So you can spam your Charged Shots even faster.

[signal aspen]

I didn't know that

[high island]

I noticed.

[signal aspen]

How?

[high island]

Because of your comment.

[signal aspen]

Hmm

[high island]

If you'd known, pretty sure you would have said something else.

[signal aspen]

Lies

My goal is to lie to the new players

So they stay bad

[high island]

No, it doesn't.

[brisk trail]

I only use weapons that are glowing purple cause they give 20% more darkness juice
this time it's the gun
never used the gun before lets see how it is

[high island]

@signal aspen sabotaging your competition. I see you play to win. I respect it.

[signal aspen]

I don't work out, I level up

Only gamers will understand

[high island]

m already at max level. When I don't set a WR, it's the game's fault, not mine.

[signal aspen]

Yes

Brb, imma go get me another victory royale

I'm back

Too easy

[brisk trail]

tisiphone is so hard

[rare gust]

So I just got

ABSOLUTELY

Mauled in EM4

Holy crap

[signal aspen]

Em3 does that

Bruh

Em4

That's why nobody uses it

[rare gust]

I will kick his ass

One way or another

Aegis won't cut it, my playstyle is too stiff

I need to study the flares as well

[blissful mica]

hey do you guys know if there are plans for any dlc to be released for the game?

[rare gust]

They seem to drastically change

[signal aspen]

I'm sure that they will release something but don't get your hopes up because they have not confirmed anything

[rare gust]

I wouldn't know if DLC would be a thing but if it does I'm 100% getting it

The game seems to be perfectly balanced as it is

Though more to do wouldn't hurt

[blissful mica]

yeah

[rare gust]

I'd kill for more aspects, specifically for Exagryph and Stygius

[signal aspen]

Use crystal clarity with stygian soul

[blissful mica]

the only thing i've read is about them taking a break after this game

so it's possible that they aren't gonna do it

[signal aspen]

Hopefully chaos will be nice to you and give you more casts

[rare gust]

They're Supergiant, 10 years, 4 games

[blissful mica]

it would be awesome to see a new weapon or two and perhaps a new level

it would be more than awesome honestly

[rare gust]

I don't want them breaking their mold if it means breaking their level of quality

Everything is so polished with this game it feels unreal

[blissful mica]

yeah

for sure

[brisk trail]

gun is the worst weapon ive used so far

i think it's cause im on pc on console u have auto aim makes it mucch easier

[rare gust]

Details in places that you honestly would expect IRL but not for a game

[blissful mica]

the only other game that comes to mind as far as degree of polish is probably hollow knight

[signal aspen]

Every speedrunner disagrees with you

[rare gust]

Like, did you know ||if you attacked Skelly's heat rewards he freaks out a little?||

[blissful mica]

which i consider to be every bit as good as hades

[rigid crane]

Holy, floor 3 boss is hard

[signal aspen]

Yes

[brisk trail]

dont speedrunner play with a controller

[rigid crane]

Just beat it 1st try with 2hp

[rare gust]

Not to mention, the 'Bad Calls' are the funniest things possible

[signal aspen]

There are a lot of speedrunners that play with kbm... I think

[rare gust]

I've seen youtubers use the Xbox controllers

For this game, of course

[brisk trail]

nah for hades most serious speedruns were done by controller cause you have much greater control on your movements than keyboard

[signal aspen]

And there is aim assist for pc, but I don't think it's as good

[brisk trail]

keyboard doesn't give good movement control

on keyboard you can only move in 8 directions

[signal aspen]

Well I beat hades in 8 mins

So I'm technically a speedrunner

Just not that good

[rare gust]

I turn Aim Assist off for very specific things

Hidden Coronacht is a good example

[modern garnet]

Ooh imagine if you could hold down shift to turn on aim assist

[signal aspen]

Bruh the wr holder uses kbm

https://youtu.be/AMb05zKj_3w

[modern garnet]

With lucifer, sometimes you wanna hit enemies and sometimes you wanna hit your bomb

[brisk trail]

idk that's what the developers said in the IGN video

[signal aspen]

When was the ign vid uploaded?

[brisk trail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKepf4jyn4o

back in november

[signal aspen]

Oh

Well you're not wrong

[rare gust]

Tfw Keyboard VS Controller be like IRL aspects

[brisk trail]

which one do I pick im in the elysium rn

seeking fire, piercing fire or cluster bomb

[rare gust]

Holy crap he literally railed Meg to death

[signal aspen]

Cluster

[rare gust]

What's your aspect?

[modern garnet]

Analog rotation vs instant rotation

[signal aspen]

Seeking fire trash

[rare gust]

If you get Cluster, nothing can go wrong actually

[brisk trail]

I already have something that turned my special into a rocket

[signal aspen]

YES

[brisk trail]

not sure how that'll work out with cluster bomb

[rare gust]

Even better

[signal aspen]

FIVE ROCKETS

[rare gust]

It spreads it out like a fan

[brisk trail]

oh wtf

FIVE ROCKETS

[modern garnet]

Special hammers love other special hammers

[brisk trail]

this is amazing

[modern garnet]

On rail

[brisk trail]

hope I can win against the spear guy tbh

[raw herald]

The current world record holder is Ananke, who uses controller

[signal aspen]

Cluster rockets will destroy everything

[signal aspen]

Oh

Whoops

[modern garnet]

Rockets are good for shielded enemies, because you can shoot behind them and deal splash damage

[raw herald]

It's fine, you can still clearly go fast on kbm

[high island]

Turn on auto aim and turn off everything else. That's what the top KBM players do on Eris, anyway.

[brisk trail]

zeus aid + five rockets I'm the AOE god

[modern garnet]

What do you have on special anyway

[rare gust]

You are now cursed with drug-NG

[brisk trail]

when I shoot the rockets on close range I deal 500 damage lol

[rare gust]

You'll be chasing this high for the rest of your gaming experience

[signal aspen]

I haven't gotten cluster rockets in years

[brisk trail]

just got deadly florish

20% chance to crit and 57% more dmg with my special

[signal aspen]

Nice

[rare gust]

One of those 5 rockets bound to crit

[signal aspen]

Deadly flourish is the best boon for cluster rockets

[modern garnet]

Ogogoo i love artemis rockit

[rare gust]

Well not technically but you get the gist

[modern garnet]

I'm jealous

[brisk trail]

over 1k damage to a group of shield enemies

and best part is my god's gauge is stacking up FAST cause I already have 35% on start (zeus aid)

[rare gust]

Isn't that Athena's?

[brisk trail]

proud bearing 42% actually

even better

so far only zeus and the frost lady calls were good, rest of the gods's aids/calls are bad

Poseidon one sends you forward hard to control

[rare gust]

Uh

I think there are people that will contest that

[signal aspen]

Bruh

[rare gust]

A run down from my experience so far is
Poseidon - Good, slaps a bit of damage and provides you mobility and damage

[brisk trail]

or the Aphrodite one, it doesn't even do damage

[rare gust]

Athena - Basically ubercharge, added reflects

[signal aspen]

2500 damage at max

[rare gust]

Aphrodite deals a flat 2500 at max

Which, PP can affect I believe

[signal aspen]

Artemis is the same thing

[rare gust]

I find Artemis more reliable, but it fluctuates

Also, seeks out more than one foe at the end of basic rooms

I mean, not that it has any use, but it's nice that it has potential to seek other/multiple foes

Dionysus' is a solid one, raining heavy DoT to those near you

Same with Zeus, but Zeus is flat DPS

Demeter covers a fat area, dealing solid damage and slowing down foes

Ares is the most underwhelming one for sure, turning you into a beyblade

But, I still use it every so often as a means of getting out of a bad situation

[signal aspen]

Ares is the only call that isn't that good

[brisk trail]

does demeter decay effect work on bosses if they're the only one in the room ? 20 dmg every 0.5 sec

[half zephyr]

I love aphro call cuz of the charm effect

[rare gust]

Ares saved my ass on EM3 actually

[signal aspen]

Yes

[rare gust]

Oh yeah Decay works on solo

Good for bosses especially

[half zephyr]

daddy wants to have a laser show? too bad

[rare gust]

That doesn't compare to Demeter's most stupid boon

[half zephyr]

theseus going on about the great friendship he & asterius has? go attack him asterius!

[signal aspen]

I don't use charm because I use 100% of my brain and kill the charmed enemy

[rare gust]

Tennus Deletus

Otherwise known as Winter Harvest

[half zephyr]

well ye, I was talking about the call charm effect tho

mostly comes in effect on bosses XD

[rare gust]

Just freaking YEETS the bosses at 10%

[signal aspen]

Charm doesn't really work on bosses because of the reduced duration

[half zephyr]

it works well enough to stop lasers

and that's the reason I get it

[signal aspen]

Every time hades is about to slap an enemy the charm runs out

[half zephyr]

oh, there's never any for him attack

I take them out too fast

he just gets stunned instead

[wispy fossil]

WOOOOO! FIRST WIN!

[signal aspen]

I don't even kill the enemies he summons

[high island]

Greater Call Artemis' Aid does less damage on average than Aphrodite's Aid.

[signal aspen]

Unless he summons the blue stones

[half zephyr]

well, I gotta do something while he's hiding!

[signal aspen]

Nice

[clear oasis]

oops

[half zephyr]

might as well take out the minions

[clear oasis]

how does this work

[signal aspen]

You have to get lucky with the crits

[wispy fossil]

I got the Demeter and Athena duo boon

[signal aspen]

If you are not lucky then it doesn't do as much damage

[signal aspen]

Nice

[wispy fossil]

After loosing my last death defiance in Elysium, I just heal stalled every enemy till I won

[rare gust]

I got the Ares Aphrodite duo the other day with my Hidden Coronacht

My special was the aphro

Attack was the doom

I basically just went

[high island]

35% crit chance, 120 base damage at Epic rarity, 10 hits, that's 1200 * 1.7 = 2040 damage on average.

[rare gust]

Special > Attack > Spam special

[wispy fossil]

Demeter+Athena with the shield is OP

[high island]

Artemis' Aid can do more damage with poms.

[rare gust]

Oh yeah

A good few poms can raise it to 200 per arrow

[rigid crane]

Sometimes I like to use the fists and go for a special only run

[rare gust]

Demeter be like

One of my runs I got Special +400%

Chaos + Aphrodite

[native wave]

oh my

lol

[rare gust]

Definitely was an 'oh my' moment

[native wave]

nothing quite can break stuff like chaos boons

[rare gust]

A single clean cleave can wipe 1800

Hermes Attack+ helped with the frequency

It became a game of

'How many uppers will this boss take'

[native wave]

what hammers did you get