h1-discussion

[brisk trail]

how can i unlock aphrodite heart thing

[signal aspen]

max out meg and dusa, than and dusa, or than and meg i think

[brisk trail]

dusa?

[signal aspen]

do one of those combinations

yes

dusa

gorgon girl

[brisk trail]

3 heart i need

i opened arrow thing

[signal aspen]

10 ambrosia

[brisk trail]

its bad

im tired of this achievement things

should i play next week?

[signal aspen]

sure

idc

[twin cobalt]

In 2 weeks, I've put in roughly 70 hours. I am at 38/49 for achievements. The ones I have left are mostly finishing prophecies.

I am trying to currently find ways to make streaming this fun for crowds, so I think I'm gonna design a bunch of modifier rewards for the crowds tonight to help shape each run.

I figure that way, people can involved AND I can get achievements by replaying it a bunch more times!

[signal aspen]

nice

[twin cobalt]

I think the goal is to ensure people don't just straight up put me at 30+ heat each run.

So I have to figure out the happy medium. But my goodness. I still don't tire from running through this game

I got my first weapon aspect after unlocking most of the other aspects, beating a run, then talking to Achilles

From there, they just all came through one at a time after each run

[signal aspen]

bruh

[half zephyr]

hidden aspect*

[signal aspen]

how

[half zephyr]

?

[signal aspen]

did you actually get all of the hidden aspects in 6 runs

[half zephyr]

cuz that sentence looks weird when you say you got your first weapon aspect after unlocking most of the others

[half zephyr]

didn't take me many more when I started getting them either 😗

[signal aspen]

bruh

took me like 25 runs

[half zephyr]

think I spent 10-12 runs total

[rapid forum]

new category for speedrun, unlock all aspect

[twin cobalt]

Hidden aspect, yes. After I unlocked the OTHER aspects (for 3 differentweapons) , completed a run, Achilles unlocked my first hidden aspect.... Then from there, I got the next 4 through RNG after run completion (except for the bow, which I think Nyx told me a couple later, and the minotaur told me after that)

[prisma estuary]

i literally just beat the game and my god it felt great

[twin cobalt]

Not my first 6, but almost 6 in a row

[half zephyr]

beat how

1st clear?

[prisma estuary]

nope

[signal aspen]

thats gonna be a pain because everybody has to make a new save, get all weapons, get 30 titan blood, and then lose to bad rng

[half zephyr]

good

many come in here saying that & then it's just first clear

[prisma estuary]

i atcually went on a killstreak against dad lmao

[half zephyr]

neat

[signal aspen]

nice

[half zephyr]

what's your number?

mine is 60 I think

[signal aspen]

i lost my streak because of something

[prisma estuary]

i was in a run last time i saved so i cant check yet

[twin cobalt]

I had a steak of like 15, but then I tried to unlock stuff and wanted to cry

Thanks Skelly.....

Always a pal.

[signal aspen]

nice

[twin cobalt]

Im sure if I move forward with community based runs, that streak won't continue. I tried to give the crowd control of my weapon choice one day and they just wanted to see the rail.

[half zephyr]

rail can be fun tho

[twin cobalt]

The Rail, when powered up, great weapon.

The Rail, when not...tough when modifiers go on

[signal aspen]

thats how every weapon works

[twin cobalt]

My clear rate in the game is just above like 70% since starting (I think I have like 80 runs in, I haven't checked), my usage of the rail. Is like 7 runs

[twin cobalt]

I have no issue with any other weapon, but the rail gets me damaged more often than any other one.

[signal aspen]

you should watch some speedrunners

[twin cobalt]

I absolutely agree

[signal aspen]

basically teaches you how to use rail

[twin cobalt]

The Rail with spreadshot or triple shot is amazing for room clearing

Personally, I am a fists kind of guy

[prisma estuary]

i love the fist weapon

its probably my favorite weapon in the whole game

[signal aspen]

you should try cluster rocket (cluster bomb and rocket)

[signal aspen]

https://youtu.be/AMb05zKj_3w

epic 5 minute win

[twin cobalt]

Wow. Thanks, I'll check it out after some coffee

[prisma estuary]

https://gyazo.com/7920f4f47fc882e91150d4443b33820c uhhhhhhhh

[signal aspen]

bro buy that

[prisma estuary]

should i be scared of this

[signal aspen]

yes

but you should buy it

its a heat modifier

makes boss fights harder

[twin cobalt]

But yes, also be scared

It's a good scared

[signal aspen]

first level is not that bad

[twin cobalt]

First 3 levels are not that bad

Fighting THAT last one though

Woof.

Ever stub your toe and say, hey, how can I make this hurt more?

Bam EXTREME MEASURES 4

[signal aspen]

nah

3 is hard

[twin cobalt]

You think so?

[signal aspen]

well for new players

this is their first time playing extreme measures

[twin cobalt]

Ah, that is true. I'm not thinking new.

[prisma estuary]

ive escaped 65 times so far

[twin cobalt]

Unfairly, I came into this from other Rogue Like and Rogue Lite games, so I understood the concept here from day 1. I love this style. I'm mad it took me this long to get into this game.

[signal aspen]

oh

still can be hard tho

[twin cobalt]

You absolutely can do it, but it's not a cake walk

[prisma estuary]

eh im still tryna grind darkness and gemstones so ill wait to put myself thru pain lmfao

[twin cobalt]

It's worth it though

The feeling you get on beating it! Woof.

Good stuff

If you are worried, stack health on the way to the end

[signal aspen]

wait why

you should just start with level 1

[twin cobalt]

Well, The purchase was for tier 4 of Extreme Measures.

[signal aspen]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[twin cobalt]

so @prisma estuary have you played any of the extreme measures before?

[signal aspen]

forgot that was a thing

[prisma estuary]

nope, i just unlocked it

[twin cobalt]

Ah, so you just BOUGHT the last tier

[prisma estuary]

but i can tell its gonna be hard

[signal aspen]

4th tier or extreme measures in general

[twin cobalt]

but you had the 1st tier

[prisma estuary]

yea

[twin cobalt]

The 1st 3 tiers are available right after you clear 1st time

[prisma estuary]

ive played a bit of the 1st tear

ye ik

[twin cobalt]

Ahhh okay

[signal aspen]

ok

[twin cobalt]

Start with getting used to those first

but yes

Tier 4. big scary

if you haven't seen it before

[prisma estuary]

once im done grinding gemstones n stuff i might start to do some pacts for bounties

[twin cobalt]

That is a great plan

[brisk trail]

is the fact that hades gives back the nectar a unique thing or do all gods do that?

[signal aspen]

hades and ||dusa|| do that

[brisk trail]

alright bet thanks!

[unborn remnant]

gaming

[signal aspen]

gaming

[manic moat]

gaming

[rapid forum]

gnimag

[signal aspen]

g

[rapid forum]

a

[manic moat]

m

[unborn remnant]

i

[signal aspen]

n

[manic moat]

g

[unborn remnant]

Lets go

[signal aspen]

epic

[dusky wedge]

Hey, look, it’s a gaming channel!

[carmine ravine]

whats up with these letter spam

[unborn remnant]

gaming

[manic moat]

gaming

[willow root]

[charred anchor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/697458124260638750/829378255752265758/unknown.png

theseus left his spear behind

[signal aspen]

epic

[undone oar]

[signal aspen]

what

[deft shell]

[signal aspen]

no

[deft shell]

[signal aspen]

no

[last ivy]

take the spear

[signal aspen]

ok

[charred anchor]

i couldnt :(

[signal aspen]

almost like that isnt a feature

[unborn remnant]

What if it were though

[calm eagle]

I think the Hydra would be a lot easier if Zagreus could figure out which head likes pets.

[signal aspen]

none of them

plus hydra battle is super easy

unless you are playing on high heat

[swift mist]

🐊

[calm eagle]

I think I'm still pretty early on. Heat 6, though I had a build that wasn't really working out great.

[trail pendant]

question: I haven't played in a long time, is it normal to start with 155 HP?

[signal aspen]

no

most of the time

what weapon and keepsake are you using

[calm eagle]

I had Ares/Aspect of Zagreus on me. The sword had the purple glow, and I was getting pretty tired of Excalibur.

[signal aspen]

bruh

not you

[calm eagle]

Oh, oh.

Derp.

My bad.

[signal aspen]

lmao

nah its cool

[trail pendant]

demeter keepsake and Beowulf sword

[signal aspen]

what

beowulf sword

excuse me?

you mean shield right?

[trail pendant]

oh sorry

messed that up

😅

[signal aspen]

so what is it?

[trail pendant]

the hidden sword

[signal aspen]

oh

then that is normal

[trail pendant]

can't remember the name

[signal aspen]

arthur

or excalibur

[trail pendant]

oh ok thanks

[signal aspen]

also do you have the darkness work order?

[trail pendant]

yes

[signal aspen]

its normal

[charred anchor]

theres also thick skin

[signal aspen]

thick skin =100 health

arthur = 150 health

1 darkness = 155 health

[trail pendant]

sorry bout the confusion, my head is effing spinning rn

[signal aspen]

nah its cool

[covert tusk]

Anyone else playing on kb+mouse,sometimes feel like to dash in the right direction u have to wait on pressing space for a bit?

Might be just me,but when i wanna do a dash on a diagonal sometimes it just goes horizontal.So I was wondering if im just bad or someone else felt it

[signal aspen]

thats called a dash cooldown

[covert tusk]

well

id expect dash cd to not allow me to dash for a while

not pick up weird direction

like i wanna dash bottom-right,but it dashes right

[signal aspen]

do you have dash at cursor on?

[covert tusk]

I never actually touched controls but ill check real quick

no doesnt have

only attack at cursor and aim assist

[signal aspen]

hm

thats weird

[covert tusk]

I think maybe its just me

thats why im asking

[signal aspen]

might be a bug

restart your computer

[covert tusk]

if anyone else plays kb+mouse,cus i heard most everyone plays controller

[signal aspen]

if that doesnt work go to #h1-tech-support

[covert tusk]

Its easies to show this if u try to dash left,then dash bottom-right straight away

itll just go right

I think it may also be my keyboard

[signal aspen]

if you have an older keyboard then that might be the problem

or just a cheap/bad one

[covert tusk]

I heard there are key channel that get blocked

like if u rpess specific keys together

[grand crystal]

my controller also sometimes just dashes in the wrong direction :/

[covert tusk]

or maybe i jsut need to practice more

[signal aspen]

probably it

[covert tusk]

like i feel like if I wait 0.1 secs

more

to press space

it works just right

but if i try to push rly fast a key doesnt get picked up

or maybe im just chaining the key too slow

Ill download a keylogger to make sure

[signal aspen]

from what i know its most likely your keyboard

but i am not an expert

does that stuff happen in other games?

[covert tusk]

I dont have many tight action games to compare tbh

you guys use controllers mostly right?

Maybe i shud try it as well

[signal aspen]

i use kb+m

[covert tusk]

so no problems for you then?must be me

[signal aspen]

no

i used to have problems with another game but when i got a new keyboard they went away

so

could be your keyboard

[winter zinc]

i use keyboard + mouse and dont have any issues besides dash upper on fists being a pain

[covert tusk]

oh bind that to a mouse button

Q is indeed a pain to use otherwise

[brisk trail]

Took me about a week to move all attacking actions to mouse buttons.

[covert tusk]

Say how do i get to fish more often?

its a good source of materials,but its so rare

[dusky wedge]

It’s one of Poseidon legendary boons

[signal aspen]

yeah

and the well of charon item

[covert tusk]

Interesting how Hermes can know that you turn on the timer

[signal aspen]

also the poseidon legendary boon is pretty rare

[covert tusk]

I got it once

[signal aspen]

only gotten it once because it was scripted

[covert tusk]

and had only 3 fishes that run

😦

i got it at the beggining of that run so maybe it was scripted

[signal aspen]

yeah it was

it is impossible to get legendary and duo boons at the beginning of a run

[cunning cradle]

just saw new any heat wr

awesome

[brisk trail]

Hades is a good game

imo.

[signal aspen]

nah i dont play it

[mortal python]

https://youtu.be/KoNXcSPLWNM

[simple moat]

fk i wasnt paying attention and just missed a chaos fishing point ahhhhh

[brisk trail]

I'm very sorry to hear that. I just caught a Voidskate.

[simple moat]

that sounds so cool 😔

[brisk trail]

One Mati, two Trout, and a Bass to finish off my Codex.

[tight cave]

I think both Chaos fishing points I've found so far have resulted in Voidskates, are there any other Chaos realm fish?

[brisk trail]

Yeah, there's three in total.

Matis are common and Projellies are Rare.

[rapid agate]

dammit i got a perfect catch and still got a bass

feelsbad

[unborn remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-zuko-thats-rough-buddy-thats-rough-gif-4264932

[rapid agate]

how are you missing basses but not esturgeons

are you a master fisherman

perfect catch every time?

[brisk trail]

I'm a tryhard, yes.

[rapid agate]

no you're a master fisherman

[brisk trail]

Not every time.

[rapid agate]

still pretty good

[craggy barn]

trying to go for sub 12 achilles but the game won't give me flurry jab

[next flame]

Im stuck with half of my gods still having locked hearts. Is it enough to just casually beat daddy up for them to open up? Please no spoilers if it isnt

[half zephyr]

you have to do a favor for them to unlock the hearts

[grand crystal]

have you hit the credits yet??

[half zephyr]

so no to just beating up dad

[grand crystal]

yea they have side things but it matters post credits

[half zephyr]

ye, but guy didn't want spoilers

short answer is keep doing runs & you'll prolly figure it out, but just beating dad won't be enough

[next flame]

Ok, thank you all

[half zephyr]

[restive pilot]

most are ~~ it's~~ not tied to the fated list if that helps

^ from what i know

[half zephyr]

uhm... ||one kinda is?||

that I know of

[restive pilot]

i suppose yeah

[half zephyr]

can't remember if any others are.. maybe ||2||?

||poseidon & ares?||

[restive pilot]

||poseidon and ares yeah oops, you're right||

[half zephyr]

to prove that you don't need help tho - I managed to unlock them all by just playing the game

I didn't even know they had favors

I only discovered that in this chat after I unlocked all the hearts

[next flame]

My first idea would be to use their keepsake while doing runs. Would that do something?

[half zephyr]

it'd force an encounter & thus force dialogue

I think I remember 1 being very tied to the keepsake

[restive pilot]

one is yes

[half zephyr]

it's hard to do this as spoiler free as possible

you'll figure it out though!

[warped panther]

We could make it effectively spoiler free by purposely sprinkling in half-truths and misdirections amongst the truth

to undermine the clearness of everythign as a whole

just kill dad with the Comically Large Spoon aspect for Stygius to unlock the prophecy

oops

it was difficult but I suspect it was because I was on em7

[half zephyr]

let's not

[restive pilot]

though i suppose in giving fake spoilers we're disconfirming things

^^

lose-lose eh

[half zephyr]

that'll just confuse players coming in here

instead of helping in a spoiler tag way

which is just being nice since the channel is spoiler heavy & you don't need to tag or hide anything 😗

[split ermine]

we cant post pics in here?

[brisk trail]

Get a link and Discord will take care of the rest.

[grand crystal]

yea you have to link it

imgur, twitter, discord, etc etc

[half zephyr]

spam prevention stuff

[split ermine]

got it

anyways here

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/762224477945593866/829481260577325066/unknown.png

[half zephyr]

fun

[split ermine]

that was close lmao

[half zephyr]

[hardy arrow]

This really captures how I feel trying to get my taxes done on time

[grand crystal]

oh yea its tax month huh

neat

[hallow peak]

“Ares’ boons are balanced”

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/810350398069145615/829515698253725716/video0.mov

Lol

The whole arena boutta be blades

[stuck hazel]

Is the 4 god limit based on when you see a god or when you take one of its boons

[half zephyr]

Take a boon

[rapid bear]

Hellooo

[dusky wedge]

Hello there

[granite ether]

[hollow kettle]

I was looking at that thread of all the characters' 3D models and came to the realization that absolutely no one in this game wears shoes

[carmine ravine]

Why would they

[modern garnet]

Wait who does wear shoes

[rapid forum]

They're not in some mortal soil

They're in the underworld

[tulip basin]

i am now downloading hades

just bought it

[rapid forum]

Hf

[tulip basin]

ty

[modern garnet]

Damn you must have heard about how barefoot everyone is

[carmine ravine]

How abt persephone tho

She gardening

[modern garnet]

She gives me big sandals vibes

[tulip basin]

oh wow the game loaded fast

rocket league takes like a good 10 seconds sometimes but this was loaded in a second

is there a reward for breaking every pillar

[half zephyr]

No

[half zephyr]

If you don’t want things spoiled for you you should head over to #h1-for-new-players where everything end boss onwards is a spoiler

If you don’t care, feel free to hang around in this channel

[tulip basin]

alright

[sacred tendon]

when the last boon you get is exclusive access

[half zephyr]

[half zephyr]

I once got offered Huge Catch & Exclusive Access in Styx..

final boon offered too

[craggy barn]

hermes in styx
exclusive access in styx
pool of purging

[half zephyr]

you have to get the pool tho

[sacred tendon]

literally the next room https://i.imgur.com/oxkusJ5.jpeg

[craggy barn]

late exclusive access stonks

[hasty owl]

had one very fun fun where exclusive access was the third boon i got

[half zephyr]

nice

[sacred tendon]

you mean fun run?

[hollow hawk]

no, they mean fun fun

obviously

[humble lotus]

So question anyone else find extreme mesures 3 and onward makes thesues's phase 1 a lot easier

[hollow hawk]

yeah

it does

[half zephyr]

Em3 is easy

[hollow hawk]

theseus is so much easier, but asterius is all the more harder to make up for it

em3 is probably easy on low heats, but ive never tried it below 32 heat

[half zephyr]

I tried not having em3 & it was so much difficult for some reason

I couldn’t get used to how he fought without his chariot again

[signal aspen]

em3 is annoying, but if we are just talking about em3 theseus, then yes it is easier

[gray apex]

EM3 Asterius with FO2 charging towards you isnt fun lol

[craggy barn]

16 damage at HL0

[rare hull]

If I switch to God mode and finished a run with that, the already completed record will disappear from security logs???

[signal aspen]

what

[half zephyr]

not sure if that's intentional or a bug

seems odd that you'd get the benefits, but it'd wipe the log

benefits in this case being the loot

[rare hull]

Only the infernal arms record is gone

Only the infernal arms record is gone

The rest are still there though :/

[signal aspen]

wait what

the infernal arms record?

[half zephyr]

ye, but still seems odd that it'd wipe the god mode logs

maybe f10 or ask in tech support about it?

[rare hull]

Yea, the Infernal arms tab in security log

[signal aspen]

ohhhhh

thats weird

f10 that

[granite ether]

Iirc god mode victories are tracked differently in the security log

[half zephyr]

hmm

[granite ether]

Not 100% certain though

[half zephyr]

doesn't say anything on wiki

if true, maybe add that?

[granite ether]

Yeah the wiki is mostly accurate but not always
The wiki is community managed :3

[half zephyr]

I know it is

but people always say to mention if something needs to be fixed or added

[rare hull]

Interesting, thought they're lost forever, thanks!

[brisk trail]

is the nyxs mirror achievement broken?

because i have at least 1 level in every mirror ability but

i didnt get the achievement

[signal aspen]

walk out

[sacred tendon]

do you also have a level in the mirrored abilities?

[signal aspen]

of your chambers

[sacred tendon]

also yeah, walk out

to register

[brisk trail]

oh i already beat hades once with it

[sacred tendon]

triggers the save

[brisk trail]

it still didnt register

[signal aspen]

use a key to reset your mirror, level each tier once, then walk out of your room

[brisk trail]

alright lemme try that

[signal aspen]

also have you unlocked all of the bottom tiers yet?

[sacred tendon]

you sure you don't just have a level in "one version" of the skills? you have a level of both the purple and the green versions?

[signal aspen]

yeah both purple and yellow

[brisk trail]

yep ive got both

[signal aspen]

so walk out

[brisk trail]

didnt trigger it

[half zephyr]

someone else had a problem with this achievement too just.. yesterday?

[signal aspen]

bottom tiers?

[half zephyr]

do you have the fated ones

[brisk trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/469943461370658838/829683554153529354/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/469943461370658838/829683569067687956/unknown.png

[half zephyr]

hmm

[signal aspen]

weird

restart hades and maybe your computer

[half zephyr]

ye, that is just weird

[granite ether]

Please F10 that (with the screenshots in the text bit as well) @brisk trail

[brisk trail]

oh just restarted my game, ill see if i can replicate it real quick though

[granite ether]

All good :3

[brisk trail]

oh wtf

ok i have it now

it just didnt pop up or anything

it doesnt show up as my most recent

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/469943461370658838/829684831226691634/unknown.png

but after restarting the game and checking the entire achievements list on steamhttp://prntscr.com/117blcz

[signal aspen]

wait that is the mirro achievement

oh ok

[brisk trail]

na this is the one where you have to like have used each one at least once

very similar though

[tight cave]

Just checked my own achievements and I don't have the Mirror one either, odd. The only mirror talent I haven't maxed on both sides is Fated Authority, I should have gotten it long ago.

[signal aspen]

do both sides have at least one level on them

[tight cave]

Yes, on everything. I just haven't maxed Fated Authority, but I have invested some darkness in it.

[signal aspen]

thats weird

and you still dont have the "nyx's mirror' achievement yet?

[tight cave]

Yep, I don't have it.

[signal aspen]

use a key to reset the mirror, level up each tier once, and then walk out of your chambers

[tight cave]

I'll try that, thanks.

Turns out I didn't have anything in Golden Touch, but even then I left the chambers and didn't get the achievement.

[half zephyr]

try restarting the game

if it doesn't work, F10

this is the 3rd time in a very short period I've seen people have this specific issue..

[brisk trail]

does filling one of my slots with a boon (special, cast, attack, dash, aid) decrease the chance of another boon appearing for those slots? I need an ares cast and i dont know if i decreased my chances of getting it by taking the demeter cast early on so thats kind of why im asking

[manic moat]

yea actually you decreased your chances by a lot I think

[brisk trail]

LMAOOO OOPS

ok thank you for the info :D

[half zephyr]

you especially decreased it if you didn't have an ares boon already & have used all your 4 god slots

[brisk trail]

wait but wouldnt already having an ares boon decrease it more

because like dire misforunte, impending doom, engulfing vortex and black metal cant show up unless i have like previous boons right?

[rapid agate]

hey i just beat extreme measures alecto without getting hit and i needed to flex

[brisk trail]

LOL

GJ dude!

[rapid agate]

yes

thanks man

[manic moat]

yea that too but like you obviously have more chances or ares boon appearing if you already have one ares boon

[brisk trail]

also does every god have 7 possible duo boons?

[half zephyr]

if you don't already have an ares boon, and you've already filled your 4 god slots

then ares can't appear naturally

that's what I meant

[brisk trail]

oh wait really?

[half zephyr]

you'd have to use the keepsake

[brisk trail]

god slots being dash cast attack and special?

[half zephyr]

any boons from 4 gods

not including chaos & hermes

[manic moat]

no those are core boons (call also), every run you have a god pool, which is usually of 4 gods

[rapid agate]

but if you have for example 4 artemis in all core boons you can still get other gods

[manic moat]

once that god pool is filled up, you will only get boons from those 4 gods

[rapid agate]

correct me if i'm wrong

yeah

[brisk trail]

oh damn i had no idea

[half zephyr]

so if ares isn't amongst your god pool, then good luck

your chances have drastically decreased

better nab the keepsake

[brisk trail]

and all i need is at least one ares boon somewhere and that means theyre still in my god pool? or

[half zephyr]

& possibly purge the cast

[half zephyr]

ye

[brisk trail]

ok i have blood frenzy so im good on that front

[half zephyr]

so long as ares is one of the four gods

[brisk trail]

damn i never realised that god pool stuff is a thing

is there a wiki page for it?

[half zephyr]

then he'll still appear during your run

possibly?

[brisk trail]

also what about rooms with 2 boons

are those also effected?

[half zephyr]

trials

[brisk trail]

yes those thank you :P

[rapid agate]

oh god orpheus and eurydice are singing in the blood

[half zephyr]

as soon as you pick up a boon, it's part of your pool

[rapid agate]

i didn't expect goosebumps today

[brisk trail]

alright

also anything i should save my diamonds for? ive completed all work orders but dont wanna waste my diamonds on weird cosmetics

although idk if theres more work orders coming tbf

[rapid agate]

i haven't stayed in eurydice's room for so long in ages

[brisk trail]

i think theres story ones

[rapid agate]

save em

give nectar to people

[manic moat]

credits be like
orpheus: singing with a lye
eurydice: just standing there singing
charon: silently paddling the boat
background music: FULL ON ROCK BEAT WITH DRUMS AND ELECTRIC GUITARS

[brisk trail]

yeah ive been spamming out nectar recently

just trading gems for keys and keys for nectar

[half zephyr]

save them

for emergency trading & future cosmetic stuff

[rapid agate]

i love me discoball

[half zephyr]

I love my bats

mostly cuz meg loves my bats

[rapid agate]

bird's eye view?

[brisk trail]

also is there a way to mod the game?

[half zephyr]

and she was in the room when I bought it

[rapid agate]

yes

[half zephyr]

look in #self-promotion for the modding server

[brisk trail]

cause its a pain to have to look down t the bottom of the screen for my ammo count

bet ok

[half zephyr]

wait

you count ammo?

[rapid agate]

i just spam reload

[half zephyr]

I didn't know people did that

[rapid agate]

just hit the reload key as soon as an ennemy is dead

[half zephyr]

I just..

shoot

and then it's empty & I dash & special & woo I can shoot again

and sometimes I maybe hit reload

[rapid agate]

zag aspect with flurry fire heroic hermes attack speed and seeking fire is so good

[manic moat]

I think manually reloading before you hit 0 is a little faster or something I'm not sure tho

[rapid agate]

it's like a legitimate machine gun

and if you have a good dionysus thing going (dio on attack, aphrodite on special, and ares on hit and their respective duo boons) it can beat the game

EASILY

nevermind it being stupid fun

[manic moat]

yea the combo of those three is really good

[rapid agate]

or not even dio

just zeus

[half zephyr]

I just can't be bothered to pay attention 😗

[manic moat]

literally just zeus also works

[rapid agate]

zeus with high attack speed

yeah

zeus is good as core attack

[manic moat]

wait till you see eris rail tho

[half zephyr]

I forget to use eris properly

[rapid agate]

until i max eris i won't really use it

[half zephyr]

I just.. forget.. to stand in the circle

[rapid agate]

zag aspect is just versatile

[half zephyr]

low eris is still better

[manic moat]

eris aspect is the best aspect in the game

I would honestly go for it if it's level 3 or above

[rapid agate]

But i need to try eris+hazard bomb

[unborn remnant]

and rama

[half zephyr]

shush

don't bring that thing into this

[rapid agate]

gilgamesh is fun

[rapid agate]

hey i like rama

rama's good

[half zephyr]

[manic moat]

I like rama special spam

[half zephyr]

I just want 1 weapon convo where my least proficient & favorite weapon doesn't become the main focus!

[rapid agate]

what's your favourite weapon

[manic moat]

lemme guess

hades aspect spera

[half zephyr]

my fave weapon in general is fist, best proficiency is rail

I haven't even unlocked that

[manic moat]

ah

[half zephyr]

well, I have unlocked, but not invested

I don't really use the spear

I'm only on 10 heat with it

still better then bow

[rapid agate]

"only"

[half zephyr]

bow can't go above 4

[rapid agate]

damn

i'm on 9 heat with bow

still haven't beaten the game with shield

[half zephyr]

and whenever there's a weapon convo..

[manic moat]

shield was my first lmao

[half zephyr]

it always becomes about the bow

[rapid agate]

because it's funnnnn

[half zephyr]

no it's not

[rapid agate]

how do you play

with gun

[half zephyr]

not when it doesn't work for you

[rapid agate]

it'll click eventually

[half zephyr]

when some moves don't work with the bow for some reason

as in

I try to make the moves, but the buttons don't respond right

and it's only with that 1 weapon

[rapid agate]

Hey uh

wdym

[half zephyr]

I can do dash-strike 50% of the time, power shot 1% of the time, dash-power shot 1% of the time

the only things that work properly is attack & special

but attack is super slow

so really I only have special

[manic moat]

dude have you used chiron tho

[half zephyr]

yes

I've used all bow aspects

none work

[rapid agate]

how

[half zephyr]

I've accepted that the bow won't work for me in this game

but it's still not fun

the reason rail works is cuz I can just hold the button

it's a fast weapon

[manic moat]

well then do I have the perfect hammer for you

flurry shot! yay!

[half zephyr]

I know it

and it has only showed up for me 1 time

it took me 90 runs to get all hammers for bow

which isn't 90 bow runs tho

only 40 or so bow runs

but 90 runs total

[brisk trail]

LMAO which weapon is that

[half zephyr]

bow

[brisk trail]

oh god i hate the bow

[half zephyr]

thank you

[brisk trail]

worst weapon in the game

[half zephyr]

I love you

[brisk trail]

LOL ❤️

[half zephyr]

thing is though

I know the bow is actually great

cuz so many do amazing things with it

[high island]

What do you mean by "doesn't work"? Have you asked for help in #h1-tech-fixes?

[half zephyr]

I just know it refuses to do it for me

[half zephyr]

I wouldn't even know how to phrase the question as it's only with the bow the buttons suddenly fail to respond right

might be that the flash isn't strong enough for me to see for all I know

[brisk trail]

i just saw a video about doomstacking on the aspect of lucifer so i just maxed that out and thats what im using now

[half zephyr]

I aim for hitting when the flash appears

but nothing

[brisk trail]

i love the power rush on the shield, honestly best thing

[high island]

By hitting you mean you let go of Attack?

[half zephyr]

it's a good thing I don't use the bow very often cuz dark thirst rng loves me

[half zephyr]

power shot

[brisk trail]

best combination is the power rush that gives 500% damage extra with the one that turns your shield charge into a long rage shot

love that

[half zephyr]

it took me so long to figure out what the tutorial prompt with skelly wanted me to do

cuz I did exactly what it asked & nothing changed

[high island]

Yes. You hold down Attack, then you let go when you see the flash, and then what happens?

[half zephyr]

and then I always just got it on accident

yes

that doesn't happen more then around 1% of the time

I see the flash, release & nothing

there's an attack that happens, but it's not a powershot

[brisk trail]

oh wait hold on

are companions a replacement for keepsakes!?

[half zephyr]

no

companions are a X use pr run item

[brisk trail]

could have sworn i equipped my companion

must have been durign that glitch

[high island]

Okay, that's what I wanted to know. Do you use a controller or KBM?

[half zephyr]

switch

[brisk trail]

if i alt f4 while the save sigil is still there will it not save

to be precise im specifically hoping it doesnt cause i took the wrong room LMAO

[bleak crag]

[high island]

When you aim your Special with the rail and let go of the button, is the timing as you would expect or is the Special delayed?

[half zephyr]

I don't usually aim it?

it's auto aim

I don't know what normal special time would be on rail either to compare with?

it feels normal to me?

goes up & falls down

[high island]

Switch your input for Special to the button you normally use for Attack, then equip the rail, hold down the button, let go, and see if the timing is like normal or if it's delayed.

[half zephyr]

but

I have no issue on the rail

[bleak crag]

gosh, i really hates this game rng @_@ just need asterius to do my final achievements

and the game blatantly didn't spawned him

[half zephyr]

you'll get him one day!

[bleak crag]

noooo

[half zephyr]

yes!

[bleak crag]

i've been farming him since in the morning

now it's 21:03

in here

[half zephyr]

you can do it!

he tends to appear around chamber 30

[bleak crag]

👀

ILL TAKE THIS ADVICE

usually it spawned those butterflies foes

[half zephyr]

aah, the big butterfly ball

I wish I saw more of it

[high island]

The point is there's positive edge, which is the pressing down of a button, and negative edge, which is letting go of a button. And there can be different input lag for positive and negative edge. I just want to make sure that the negative edge of that button you use for Attack isn't busted somehow.

[bleak crag]

goddamn it -_-

[brisk trail]

am i the only one whos like never seen a dire snakestone boss thingy

[half zephyr]

aaaaaaah

[brisk trail]

like ive done 50 runs and ive had like every monster seen since like run 25

[half zephyr]

you can do it!
just keep doing styx mini boss rooms

[brisk trail]

but this one guy just

never seen him

[bleak crag]

never seen king vermin rhat often

[half zephyr]

it's a final encounter in a styx mini boss room

[brisk trail]

yeah like

[bleak crag]

maybe cause i tend to skip the room with skulls

[brisk trail]

i know where to find him

the problem is him appearing

[half zephyr]

ye, vermin only appears in those

[brisk trail]

i always get the rat or the satyr

[half zephyr]

AAAH I FORGOT I PUT ON THIS SONG BEFORE EXITING THE GAME!!!

[high island]

It's possible that there's nothing wrong with it and you just need to feel out the timing. But it doesn't hurt to troubleshoot.

[half zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-handbanging-headbang-gif-11577909

[bleak crag]

wish i can modified the game's rng...

[half zephyr]

1 second

both with my usual special config & attack button config

[high island]

If you play on a TV especially, your TV might have a lot of input lag, and so relying on the visual indicator (the flash) can throw off your timing. If there's something like a gaming mode for your TV, turn that on.

[half zephyr]

I only play handheld

[high island]

Oh. No idea how the input lag for that is.

[half zephyr]

I'll find a way to survive on bow with mostly just special

[brisk trail]

im being pranked

[high island]

If it's not the controller, you'll just have to feel out the timing and practice.

[brisk trail]

didnt get phalanx shot until one of the last rooms

and i needed it for a duo boon

[half zephyr]

eh

I went a whole cast build run without getting a cast until styx

none of the gods wanted to offer one

[high island]

I feel that. I was trying for 6 hours earlier to get sub 10 at 40 with a Cast build. Half my attempts, I didn't even get a Cast in Tartarus. So many resets . . .

[half zephyr]

I need to always exit this game playing the ||unseen ones||

[manic moat]

hey shadow try using rama bow and just using the special only you can hold it down and use like zeus special

[half zephyr]

I've been there done that on accident already

[high island]

Lady Aphrodite doesn't do that many Power Shots on Chiron nor Dash-Strikes, and she plays Chiron all the time and did 32 first try. You can definitely do well and use your Attack on bow without doing a lot of Power Shots.

[half zephyr]

got so many zeus boons I accidentally ended up with a zeus special run where my special killed things faster then the attack

[manic moat]

yea power shots and dash strikes arent really that important

[manic moat]

nice

[half zephyr]

was still not a good run

[manic moat]

if you actually build for it it's even better

[half zephyr]

I survived on 38hp

[high island]

Chiron works especially well because you just need to tag things once, then use your Special.

[half zephyr]

it's the tagging that's the problem

[manic moat]

zeus special double strike jolted maybe if you can get the legendary, swift flourish, relentless volley hammer all help

[high island]

Maybe watch some of her runs. She mostly uses her normal Attack to tag things.

[half zephyr]

who?

[high island]

https://www.twitch.tv/courtenberry

Lady Aphrodite.

[half zephyr]

ah, I don't watch things on twitch

[urban valley]

tips against ||charon? any way to get his fight more?||

[half zephyr]

not really

22% chance

can spawn in mid-level shops only

[urban valley]

wym mid level shops

[half zephyr]

shops appear twice

once right before boss

once in the middle of a level

the sack will never spawn in the shops right before boss

so, mid-level shops only

[high island]

@urban valley see if you can glean some things from this that you can copy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuE9jZRHhlU

[grand crystal]

yea the hitbox on his sweep move i feel like is really small compared to how it looks :/

[urban valley]

the free room before a boss isnt necessarily a shop right

[half zephyr]

you're always offered a shop as an option

[high island]

Hera also gets away without Power Shots because most of your damage will come from your Casts. So perhaps, Chiron or Hera will work for you.

[urban valley]

also is fighting him for the discount worth it orr is it just for fun

[half zephyr]

point is it'll never spawn in that shop

[urban valley]

ahh okay good to know

[high island]

Bow took me awhile to be fully comfortable with.

[half zephyr]

I do it for fun

[urban valley]

dash striking with the bwo makes it a lot better for me

since

faster charge

[grand crystal]

yea thats how its played optimally i think

since you just get better dps

[urban valley]

his sweep attack hits like a truck but knowing that its telegraphed with his chage helps

[half zephyr]

arthur

divine flourish or dash

both epic

[urban valley]

also i didnt realise till i read it on a reddit comment but you can just ||stand next to hades to avoid his 360 degree laser in phase 2.5||

[high island]

Yeah, but Shadow isn't very comfortable with it, hence my suggestions for how you can do well without Dash-Strikes or Power Shots.

[urban valley]

dont you get higher dps with aphro or artemis

[half zephyr]

I have aphro attack

[high island]

Just can't expect speedrun pace, of course.

[half zephyr]

this is for fun run

[urban valley]

oh my b

i misread dash lol

[half zephyr]

athena is normally boring af

[urban valley]

tru

[half zephyr]

but with arthur I tolerate it cuz tank

[urban valley]

powerful but boring

[half zephyr]

it's a tank build

[high island]

Divine Flourish is a lot of fun for the 360° Deflect.

[urban valley]

hopefully i get patro to get my 3 dds back lol

i just stand next to hades now

[urban valley]

for this attack i mean

[half zephyr]

flourish would also give me +119% spdmg

[half zephyr]

[high island]

Divine Dash is the "correct" but boring choice if you want a strong build.

[half zephyr]

I know

that's what made it so difficult

[high island]

But Flourish is still very good.

[urban valley]

yea true

also is using the rush on achilles aspect a good idea

[high island]

Yes.

[half zephyr]

this is difficuuuuult

no

I'll do flourish

maybe

yes

I will

[high island]

Yes.

Do it.

[half zephyr]

I can only attack w cast & special for the next 3 encounters anyways 😗

[high island]

Chaos curses won't kill you, so . . .

[half zephyr]

but

it's more fun

[high island]

You can keep attacking. 1 HP is all you need.

[half zephyr]

and then I get +60% atkdmg after

[high island]

The correct play, of course, is to get Cursed Slash, so you immediately heal the HP that you lose when you Attack.

[half zephyr]

I KNOW

I WANT IT AGAIN!!

but no hammers yet

I want my paladin build

wait

HAMMER NEXT

will I be lucky

[gaunt ridge]

youre gonna jinx it

[high island]

Curse on Attack + Lifesteal sounds more like a Dark Knight than Paladin.

[half zephyr]

it's a healing tank

so it's a paladin >.>

HAHA

CURSED SLASH!!

as if my rng would fail me when it's not a bow

[high island]

That's also more a DRK emoji than PLD.

[half zephyr]

just in time for the chaos curse to run out too

[signal aspen]

what is happening

[half zephyr]

I rolled neutral evil is what happened

[signal aspen]

wait how do you guys even get lucky with daedalus

[high island]

Those are not Paladin horns.

[signal aspen]

i have done 10+ beowulf runs and i have never gotten charged shot

[high island]

PLD would be more like Stubborn Roots + Unshakable Mettle.

[signal aspen]

and i have gotten cluster bomb and rocket many times, but i have only gotten them together like 3 times

[half zephyr]

pssh

I am my own paladin

and my patron is Luci

[signal aspen]

grab every damage reduction boon in the game

[half zephyr]

oh look

poseidon

nice

[high island]

A Paladin of the Curse, a Knight of Darkness, a . . . a Dark Knight.

[signal aspen]

ok

epic

[half zephyr]

no

I'd rather be the joker then be batman

[signal aspen]

why

[half zephyr]

fun

can do whatever I want

[high island]

Why not both?

[half zephyr]

cuz I don't wanna dress up like a bat

no capes!

damnit

[half zephyr]

why did you have to say this

now I'm getting demeter too!

[brisk trail]

am i the only one whos had trouble finding that one item that reuces chariot spawns or something in the well of charon

[half zephyr]

[signal aspen]

i have gotten that once

[half zephyr]

it's a rare one

I get it often but I never pick it XD

they don't really bother me that much

[brisk trail]

I think I only saw it twice ever so its pretty rare

[high island]

I have nothing to do with you getting a boon from Lady Demeter.

m high priestess of the Temple of Aphrodite.

[brisk trail]

alright that would explain it

i just need it for the quest

[half zephyr]

pssh

you mentioned the 2 duos

and suddenly I get the gods needed for the 2 duos

[signal aspen]

why are you mad

[high island]

It's rare because you can only see it in Elysium.

[half zephyr]

who is mad?

[signal aspen]

its hard to tell through text but i feel like you are mad

[half zephyr]

no, just joking around

obviously it's not nyans fault

[high island]

Good. You can be a true Paladin of the light, with a . . . cursed blade, and red horns, and sinister intent.

[half zephyr]

but it's just a fun coincidence

[signal aspen]

i think not

[half zephyr]

[signal aspen]

what

please explain that

[high island]

Truly a paladin.

[half zephyr]

I'm the bestest paladin

[hallow peak]

Just saw a news article. Decided to read it because it sounded stupid to amuse myself

Who here thinks dead cells and binding of isaac is similar to hades

[high island]

It's Nyaanyaa. The only person who can call me Nyan is Lady Aphrodite.

[signal aspen]

this is not the right channel to talk about that

[half zephyr]

uhm.. only in the sense that they are rogues?

but not even the same kind of rogues

[brisk trail]

they are all rouge lites

[hallow peak]

Exactly

[half zephyr]

and that's more of a #video-games discussion

[hallow peak]

Stupid games journalist

[half zephyr]

almost

isaac is roguelike

hades roguelite

[hallow peak]

Maybe but its about hades so I thought it was ok

[brisk trail]

they journalists ain't really wrong tho? all the games are the same genre so if you like one you might like the others

[half zephyr]

haven't played dead cells so dunno which it is yet

[hallow peak]

He meant it in a bad way

[brisk trail]

ok

[hallow peak]

He said its trying to set a trend too much

[half zephyr]

they have very different uhm.. difficulty levels?

[high island]

I don't think calling a journalist you don't agree with "stupid" is okay, either way.

[brisk trail]

I mean the indie game rouge trend has been going on for such a long time

[hallow peak]

I have I own it on my xbox. It is very fun but also hard as balls

[half zephyr]

and isaac is apparantly "gory"

I think I'm just too used to seeing pixels to see it

but it is in a way I guess

[hallow peak]

Well in this case it is. Because what he is saying is wrong and stupid

[rapid bear]

Hello

[half zephyr]

hi

[rapid bear]

OMG

[hallow peak]

Not saying all are like that

[rapid bear]

I had my best run today

Or what I felt like was just plain tyrannoud

[hallow peak]

anywayd im done now just wanted to share that

[half zephyr]

[rapid bear]

I literally blazed thru

ARTHURS ASPECT

[hallow peak]

Pog

[rapid bear]

IS SO GOOS

I love Hades

[half zephyr]

arthur is easy

so easy

[hallow peak]

JOIN ARTI GANG

[rapid bear]

Yesss

Artiiii?

[hallow peak]

Just add (arti) to your name

[rapid bear]

Wait how can I grt the Hades role

[half zephyr]

#bot-commands

[rapid bear]

Yes I got that but what does Arti mean!!

[brisk trail]

god i regret limiting my time with the aspect of guan yu this has got the be the worst aspect in the entire game

[grand crystal]

or join the church of huge catch 👉 👈

[rapid bear]

Thank you so much shadow

[hallow peak]

Arthur

[half zephyr]

arti is short for arthur

[hallow peak]

HERESY

[half zephyr]

sometimes short for artemis

[rapid bear]

Is it? It's my next Ambrosia quest

[rapid bear]

YESSS

[half zephyr]

it's not the easiest aspect

best to do it at max

[brisk trail]

quite frankly its horrible IMO

[rapid bear]

Gotcha Shadow

[brisk trail]

my health is basically nada

and the healing part of it is so useless

[half zephyr]

use cerb keepsake

for extra health

[rapid bear]

Thank you!!

[brisk trail]

yep i am

[half zephyr]

at max it only takes 50%

[rapid bear]

The extra health one

[hallow peak]

I have it max upgraded and when I decided to do a run with it. The charged attack does do a lot of damage but is really slow.

[half zephyr]

mhmm

[hallow peak]

And the special is just worse

[half zephyr]

I hated my run with it

[rapid bear]

I wouldge beat Hades on my today's fiest Arthur run

[half zephyr]

but some make it work

[rapid bear]

But I didn't use skellys keep

[half zephyr]

so kudos to them

[rapid bear]

T_T

[brisk trail]

its like taking cursed slash but without the healing part of it

[half zephyr]

drop that keepsake & use acorn

max out acorn

and use it

[rapid bear]

I forgot to put it on Im trying to level up all my sakes to 2 which Im almost done w

[half zephyr]

so much better

[hallow peak]

Do you have acorn?

[rapid bear]

Acorn is whose? Im sorry I'm no good at remembering the keepsake names yet

[half zephyr]

acorn lets you tank 5 hits on boss

[half zephyr]

eurydice

[hallow peak]

Its eurydice

[rapid bear]

PHH WAIT

The one with first 3 hits