that's what roguelites are about
#h1-discussion
brisk trail
XDD
oblique sun
roguelites are games where you keep on playing and getting meta-progression, like the darkness
which makes you permanently stronger
(you also get better as you get to know the enemies and patterns)
frank quiver
Im a diablo-player so im too aggressive
brisk trail
I feel awful not having played a single diablo game btw
oblique sun
idk what that is but that's fine! the game offers 6 weapons to let you play the game whoever you want, whatever fits your style ^^
frank quiver
@oblique sun Do i get stronger each time I die? What things are saved?
oblique sun
also i'd invite you over to #h1-for-new-players to avoid spoilers
oblique sun
<@300650555095908354> Do i get stronger each time I die? What things are saved?
darkness for the mirror, they're the big thing
you also keep keys, gemstones, nectar
frank quiver
The thing that got me to buy it is the replayability
woven nacelle
So uh
modern garnet
Saved: darkness, gemstones, keys, nectar, boss rewards
Not saved: money, boons
woven nacelle
If you get a duo with someone can you get a different duo later with one of the same people
modern garnet
Yep
frank quiver
Aah okey, thanks all! :)
woven nacelle
Alr thanks
modern garnet
I feel like it's super common to get duo boons with common gods
Because the required boons are similar
oblique sun
Oh like the same 3 Gods
It's because most duos just need you to have one of the main 5 boons
modern garnet
Yeah
oblique sun
And some are specific, like blade rifts or crystal cast
modern garnet
You get 4 gods per run, right? I wonder if it's possible to get every possible duo
oblique sun
4 gods per run, and you can get more via keepsakes, and through a loophole
You can get all gods in one run, but only in styx
Meaning you won't be able to get every duo
Plus some are mutually exclusive anyways
(Hunting blades/crystal clarity)
modern garnet
No I mean like
If you stick to 4 gods
Could you get every duo boon that involves only those gods
oblique sun
Oh
Well
4 gods is 6 duos I think
Well that sounds plausible, just gotta find a set of gods where nothing is mutually exclusive and get lucky
modern garnet
I wanna theorycraft this now
oblique sun
There'There's probably multiple sets of gods where this is possible
Just
poseidon, demeter, ares, athena (they both have a duo where they need cast)
It'll be hard to plan around these, specifically
So let's take the other 4
brisk trail
I got the true ending :)
brisk trail
yee
Honestly I quit waaaaaay before true ending lol
I watched my brother killing hades once and even he dropped out afterwards
He went on playing Cold War kek
oblique sun
Zeus, Poseidon, aphrodite, artemis
Zeus poseidon is okay, Zeus aphrodite is okay, Zeus artemis needs infernal
Poseidon aphrodite is okay, poseidon artemis is umm.. don'don't remember it..
Aphrodite artemis is also okay I think
brisk trail
I still need to finish bonds
oblique sun
Who's left
brisk trail
poseidon, achilles, patroclus, hypnos and I think that's it
oblique sun
Also patrochilles go together, and hypnos just needs you to listen to him talk to his brother sometimes so nothing you have to do here
For poseidon you need to fish THEN talk to him in the run but it doesn't always happen and I hate it jsskkq
Why can't you just bond with me old man I FISHED ALREADY
brisk trail
wait no hypnos is done
oblique sun
Aaaa I gotta go sleep
frank quiver
Can I save on nintendo switch tho?
Sorry for all these offtopic q's. :(
"save state" like dem emulators
Is it even possible doing all levels without dying?
brisk trail
probably...
oblique sun
Yeah, but it usually only happens after usually like. 30 attempts on average
brisk trail
I never owned a switch but always wanted to get one to play odyssey
What a great game
anyway where were we
oblique sun
30 attempts or later is where you usually get your first clear
brisk trail
What’s a good strat for doing the overtime pact punishment?
Extreme measures is scary 
Only Ataino can swear UwU
Oh lol
limpid swift
Extreme measures is scary <:BerniePanic:750352835266215970>
Agreeeed
eager kindle
I keep wanting to take a break from this game but I just can't
It's all I think about when I'm not playing lmao
grand crystal
What’s a good strat for doing the overtime pact punishment?
forced overtime you jjst have to get used too
frank quiver
What a great game
Slap me. Its a masterpiece
grand crystal
take a few runs just doing forced overtime and get used to the new speeds and timings
brisk trail
take a few runs just doing forced overtime and get used to the new speeds and ti...
Ok
frank quiver
take a few runs just doing forced overtime and get used to the new speeds and ti...
What are "runs"? Is it the story?
nova forge
grand crystal
What are "runs"? Is it the story?
attempts
escape attempts
by the roguelike genre each attempt is generally referred to as a run
frank quiver
by the roguelike genre each attempt is generally referred to as a run
What do u mean by "roguelike"?
SRY, these q's should be in #newbies
frank quiver
The genre is hacknslash 😡😡😡😡😡😡
grand crystal
it can have multiple genres
brisk trail
^
frank quiver
Yaa, i know
brisk trail
roguelite not roguelike btw
grand crystal
mfg i swear the difference is so small
limpid swift
It won best game awards recently too https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-56528581
Even the bbc covered it
limpid swift
British broadcasting company
grand crystal
^^yea that
limpid swift
Ah ;%;
grand crystal
oooo you said a bad word >:3
grand crystal
hehe ight have fun
limpid swift
Yeah it was pretty cold down there, nice company tho
carmine ravine
The genre is video games
limpid swift
That’s like looking at a sandwich and saying the flavour is just bread- there’s more to it - yes I’m hungry 
rapid agate
i think i got the fastest rail attack possible
epic hermes+hammer that gives bullets and makes it faster
plus zag aspect
+zeus attack
if only i weren't so bad at the game
brisk trail
I lowkey suck too. There are many combos and mechanics I was not good at.
limpid swift
Easiest way to beat hades the first time?
Trail and error, learn his ques and how to avoid them, get good boons and focus on beefing up a weapon your good with
deft scaffold
hi everyone, i try to unlock the aspect of Beowulf but i not 100% sure in how to do it, i read that i have to talk with chaos with the shield equipped, is that so?
brisk trail
I have a few more keepsakes to max and I hate using them grrr
brisk trail
hi everyone, i try to unlock the aspect of Beowulf but i not 100% sure in how to...
yeah, but u also need 5 blood in shield aspects and need guan yu spear unlocked
deft scaffold
Today I played for hours and did not unlock it, I think I have bad luck 
deft scaffold
yeah, but u also need 5 blood in shield aspects and need guan yu spear unlocked
i had both
brisk trail
well you'll get it eventually
craggy barn
if chaos has already given you dialogue about the shield then you don't have to use the shield for the waking-phrase
at this point just constantly reroll for ixion in wells or something lol
deft scaffold
if chaos has already given you dialogue about the shield then you don't have to ...
I don't know if chaos already say it, but if I have the shield equipped I can still unlock the aspect?
craggy barn
if you're not sure then just use the shield and keep going for chaos gates
deft scaffold
thanks! i keep going on it
craggy barn
if it gets boring then you can always try out the other aspects, they're all fun to use
even zag shield is cool
craggy barn
zag shield is literally an aggressive playstyle
hollow hawk
beowulf can insta phase literally every boss in the game lol
craggy barn
shield in general can be very aggressive
^^ can vouch you can literally do that with 4 casts + flood flare
brisk trail
Time to unlock Gilgamesh
Also doing heat 3
does anyone know of any players who have unlocked everything
including max rank
craggy barn
probably EA players
brisk trail
oh true
craggy barn
getting the "unseen one" badge literally takes months of work
it's pretty difficult to find people who even have that badge
craggy barn
good luck with the themes
brisk trail
yeah that's gonna be a pain
I'm halfway to nectar
I'm not gonna grind for it
but I enjoy playing this game and if I get it I get it
Asterius fight no waking phrase 
aterius has a waking phrase?
For fists, sorry.
craggy barn
for gilga
brisk trail
ohh
so thats how i unlocked it
wasn't even trying to get it
I only tried for spear and sword, the rest came naturally
Do I have to use the original aspect for Asterius to say it?
uhhhh not sure
craggy barn
you have to fight asterius using the fists to get him to give dialogue about the fists
then the next time you can use any weapon and he might give the waking-phrase
carmine ravine
You told him to shut up before, so hes not saying anything
brisk trail
I've never told himto shut up
carmine ravine
Theres is a choice prompt iirc
brisk trail
yep
modern garnet
What's best zag aspect to level up
hallow peak
So uhh
I got another op build
I got the vampire drain hammer ability with the sword
And i got a early on heroic demeter special
I then got a chaos boon which makes me special do almost 100% more damage
I am doing over 200 hundred damage and I am at 52 hp
52 max hp
Chaos is a heck of a drug
grand crystal
What's best zag aspect to level up
many people would say bow
since bow is crit rate
imo bow and fist are fun
since fist lets you do evade runs
hallow peak
Don’t you love it when you notice a fishing spot when fighting a boss so you try to make sure to get it before you leave.
Then, not do that
brisk trail
^legit happened to me earlier in asphodel
woven nacelle
IM SHAKING
I BEAT HADES
I used the raccoon guy’s build from a few nights ago
@acoustic quartz THANK YOU
brisk trail
ayyyy nice
brisk trail
I used the raccoon guy’s build from a few nights ago
show us ur build
hallow peak
^legit happened to me earlier in asphodel
Exactly where it happened for me too
brisk trail
<@456226577798135808> now what do I do
keep winning and upgrading stuff and completely prophecies and forging bonds
hallow peak
<@456226577798135808> now what do I do
DO IT AGAIN
Sorry for that second ping infantasy
brisk trail
ur fine
lavish bolt
Bruh
I think i just had the worst run ever
No daedalus hammer 2#, elysium kept giving me gem and darkness rooms
woven nacelle
So hades just??? Pretends to forget???
brisk trail
;p
woven nacelle
Oh so I unlocked the heat thing
brisk trail
yah
winter zinc
Ye
hallow peak
“Zagreus, why does it say here that you just stood still and died 50 times”
I REQUIRED ACHILLES TO SAY THE SACRED WORDS
queen osprey
grand crystal
oh just add (church of huge catch) to the end of your tag via nickname
timber dove
https://imgur.com/a/7EprqHE My first ever heroic!
timber dove
twin fists
brisk trail
yep
timber dove
how do I tell?
timber dove
ow 2 30 in the afternoon
brisk trail
QUEENSLANDERRRRRRRRRRR
timber dove
yep yep
brisk trail
brissy?
timber dove
ippy
brisk trail
cringe
timber dove
why?
brisk trail
jk <3
timber dove
Nothing wrong with it
brisk trail
there isnt
hallow peak
I wish patriots in america were less psychotic then I might be more patriotic
brisk trail
does charon sell abmrosia or just blood and diamonds
hollow hawk
Blood and diamonds
brisk trail
want a pro tip?
hallow peak
Just had a hilarious piece of dialogue from hades
timber dove
always after tips
hallow peak
Apparently he doesn’t know how a sundial works
brisk trail
it is very easy to react to the bob, however, you need to react to the right bob and because our brain has to process whether or not it is the right bob, our reaction time is slower. There's a way to get around this. The time between when you start fishing/fake bob and the real bob, is faster than the time between start fishing/fake bob and fake bob. If you learn this timing you can prepare to react to any movement on a short amount of time but if it passes this time you can relax because it will always be a fake bob.
grand crystal
and that fake vs real bob is if its not the first bob that is real, it goes every other
brisk trail
you wont get perfect catch if you wait that late
timber dove
so when the ball goes under then click
hallow peak
But there is a solid second as soon as it goes under of grace where you can pull without it being too late
brisk trail
yes but that wont get u good fish
hallow peak
you wont get perfect catch if you wait that late
OH didn’t know about that mechanic
brisk trail
u need to react to movement, but the correct movement
grand crystal
so think of it as
1: fake
2:always fake
3: can be real
4: always fake
5: can be real
reapeat 2-5 until true
or
1: true
those are the 2 ways the bobbing can go
timber dove
OK thanks
modern garnet
The fish quality changes based on quick you click??
brisk trail
yep
grand crystal
yea you need a perfect catch to get the rare fish
and that must be done in 0.3 seconds of it dropping i think
so pretty fast
hence why understanding how it bobs helps
modern garnet
Thats not how fish work irl
grand crystal
so think of it as
1: fake
2:always fake
3: can be real
4: always fake
5: can b...
i point to this so you can kinda predict
this is hades, not the surface world :3
brisk trail
unless you have god tier reaction time you have to react to movement immediately, that's why you have to know when the bob will be fake and while it is random, if you learn the timing you can get perfect catch every time
grand crystal
But he didn’t give me the line
line for hiden spear??
hallow peak
Yes
grand crystal
the reqs are 5 non zag aspects unlocked and having reached final boss
then its luck
hallow peak
Yep
brisk trail
oil god, have you checked the spear to see if you've gotten it already
timber dove
https://imgur.com/a/sAU4ycp long knuckles or draining cutter?
grand crystal
"i see you through the eyes of the crimson phoenix"
he's never said that??
or at least mentioned it
hallow peak
oil god, have you checked the spear to see if you've gotten it already
I know I haven’t
grand crystal
i mean sometimes one liners can take over bigger things like that in my experience
hallow peak
"i see you through the eyes of the crimson phoenix"
Nope
hallow peak
He will only say stuff like that once you he has run out of like special story dialogue
high island
https://imgur.com/a/sAU4ycp long knuckles or draining cutter?
Long Knuckle.
hallow peak
Because its lesser in priority in his dialogue pool
grand crystal
its still luck tho
hallow peak
True
grand crystal
since ive had per say bow available for a long time and arte kept giving me one liners
it took me a while to get it
same with shield
high island
so think of it as
1: fake
2:always fake
3: can be real
4: always fake
5: can b...
??? What is this?
brisk trail
oh yeah, I couldnt get orpheus lyre lines cos he was doing stuff with euridice
brisk trail
it can be any bob
grand crystal
no, ive noticed a pattern
high island
You're wrong.
brisk trail
no seriously, the bob is random and can be any bob
if you have a pattern you rng'd it
grand crystal
if you have a pattern you rng'd it
for 3 complete files :/
high island
Max of 4 bobs. If the first three were fake, the 4th is always real.
brisk trail
https://imgur.com/rFURbBg finally got one side of the mirror maxed :D
high island
Anyway, ignore the bobs and just look for the flash above the bobber.
timber dove
https://imgur.com/a/QwiQE6K I am thinking hyper sprint
grand crystal
id take reflex
brisk trail
quick recovery
timber dove
OK
grand crystal
a 3rd dash is crazy strong
high island
https://imgur.com/a/QwiQE6K I am thinking hyper sprint
First boon from Lord Hermes this run or second?
timber dove
first
grand crystal
ive come to the conclusion that rush delivery doesnt exist ;w;
i never pull it
and it hurts
high island
Hyper Sprint + Rush Delivery is broken.
brisk trail
I've pulled it twice I think
peak zealot
Anyone know what happens if you buy the cathonic key reward upgrade (get a reroll with keys) before you actually have the mirror upgrade that lets you reroll things?
high island
Anyway, the correct choice when it's your first boon from Lord Hermes is pretty much always Epic/Rare Greatest Reflex > any Hyper Sprint > common Greatest Reflex.
brisk trail
you still get a roll
hallow peak
and it hurts
You know what hurts more. Having max conch and never getting oceans bounty till the end if at all
Rng hates my guts
high island
Anyone know what happens if you buy the cathonic key reward upgrade (get a rerol...
You'll get Fated Authority rerolls from Chthonic Key chambers.
peak zealot
why want oceans bounty?
brisk trail
farming
hallow peak
Oceans bounty makes you get more darkness, gems, obals, and health
high island
If you've switched your mirror talent to Fated Persuasion, you'll get Fated Persuasion rerolls instead (even if you have no Darkness invested in either).
hallow peak
What is it?
peak zealot
this is for like, ultra late game grinding I guess?
hallow peak
I was thinking that wasn’t it tbh
brisk trail
coins, gems, darkness
hallow peak
this is for like, ultra late game grinding I guess?
Its good to pick if you find it early on and if nothing else is better
hallow peak
coins, gems, darkness
Thought there was a 4th thing
brisk trail
thats in sunken treasure
hallow peak
True
peak zealot
sure, its just the way you said it hurts not to get it made me think you actively want it, not are willing to take it
timber dove
https://imgur.com/a/oNlRN2V swift strike?
brisk trail
yes
timber dove
jusat got hermes again
peak zealot
side hustle isn't bad, but probably swift strike ya
brisk trail
both in asphodel?
peak zealot
greater evasion isn't bad either, but swift strike is best
timber dove
elysium
hallow peak
sure, its just the way you said it hurts not to get it made me think you activel...
Oh well I have beaten the game so I do want it, I will take it over something that is a decent attack buff because I need moar gems to pimp my crib
hallow peak
Sure but it doesn’t hurt to pick up if nothing else is better early game
brisk trail
yo does anyone know how many times per region hermes spawns. ik it's 0 on tartarus and asphodel and elysium have guarantedd one each but can they get 2?
timber dove
what is the max level you can level something with poms?
brisk trail
infinite
timber dove
thanks
brisk trail
but diminishing rewards
hallow peak
Yeah
peak zealot
note that you can get a hermes buff in tartarus from the shop
timber dove
I already have level 5 curse of agony with 201 doom damage
peak zealot
correct. I'm not sure if there is a hard coded or practical limit to the number of hermes buffs you can get
I usually get 2-3
timber dove
so stop levelling it?
peak zealot
@timber dove there is a small chance yuou have nothing better to level, but you probably do
high island
https://imgur.com/a/oNlRN2V swift strike?
What aspect are you using?
brisk trail
you shouldn't be putting more than 3 poms into anything unless it's your main damage source
peak zealot
I mean, sometimes you do the pom flower trinket run or whatever and get up to lvl 10 on something @brisk trail
brisk trail
oh yeah well you can't control that
high island
I usually get 2-3
Max of 2 normally. You can sometimes get a third from the Styx shop for 500.
modern garnet
Pom flower the whole run? I never even considered
high island
not unlocked anything
What weapon then?
peak zealot
I do it sometimes for fun. ITs amusing hitting absurdly hiigh levels
timber dove
twin fists
peak zealot
note that the mini chambers count as a full encounter for pom blosssom
high island
Swift Strike for sure then.
brisk trail
pom is great for early damage build if you get a good attack from the first boon
pom flower
hallow peak
Pom flower the whole run? I never even considered
I did that actually
high island
I've taken Pom Blossom for speedruns from Elysium on a few times. It's good if you have a lot of boons that scale very well with poms.
hallow peak
The vampire drain on the attack hammer boon for the sword is ridiculously op
So I didn’t even need the lucky tooth
brisk trail
not op
peak zealot
why would you use lucky tooth? I guess its fine with vampire sword since it gives you a full revive, but still, the stupid 5 hit immunity trinket still seems better to me
timber dove
https://imgur.com/a/7CIcuXA wish me luck
peak zealot
focus on dodging
brisk trail
why would you use lucky tooth? I guess its fine with vampire sword since it give...
if you are going into a new area with no dd
peak zealot
use pillars to dodge spear throws
modern garnet
Against hades, lucky tooth is better than acorn at low heat, right?
peak zealot
Hades still hits for something like 40
hallow peak
if you are going into a new area with no dd
Lucky tooth I usually pick after elysium because final boss and two satyr venom sucks
Drains your health ridiculously fast
timber dove
I DID IT!!!!
brisk trail
acorn is better for boss fights but for regular rooms tooth is better
what did u do
u beat them?
timber dove
yep
hallow peak
That was fast
peak zealot
I mean, if you have 2 or more DD, health is still better than tooth even for regular rooms right
timber dove
brisk trail
wow nice
hallow peak
Question what foes DD stand for
brisk trail
death defiance
timber dove
death definace
brisk trail
ur revive
peak zealot
nicely done
brisk trail
your sekiro shadows die 4 times
peak zealot
ares needs a buff
brisk trail
why
peak zealot
2000 damage good
hallow peak
Ares is pretty good if you get the right boons
peak zealot
200 damage every couple seconds is meh
hallow peak
200 damage on every enemy in the room because my spear I threw ricocheted to every enemey
brisk trail
cos doom on slow attacks is readlly good and if you get doom stacking it's good on anything
also yeah aoe doom is insane
hallow peak
cos doom on slow attacks is readlly good and if you get doom stacking it's good ...
Yeah also the boon that delays doom but beefs its damage heavily
peak zealot
doom is decent CC thats true
modern garnet
Doom is worse than it first seems but it's not bad
brisk trail
on fast weapons attack it's terrible unless you get dire misfortune
peak zealot
IDK, Doom buffs usually seem worse than artemis, athena, aphrodite buffs to me. And the ares cast sucks unless you get artemis duo
modern garnet
Ares cast good in styx ime
brisk trail
with the right build blades will shred any boss in seconds
peak zealot
the right build being artemis duo and nothing else
peak zealot
well, that isn't ares cast, and even then, still seems kind of meh
brisk trail
why not use both
timber dove
https://imgur.com/a/2sOtx7k I have 600 gold
hallow peak
Ya know I just realized I have never beat ||charon||
timber dove
thinking maybe hermies
peak zealot
don't get me wrong, you can kill ares with blades if you want to. But a cast/dash that requires 3-4 higher tier boons to matter kind of sucks compared to the other casts/dashs
hallow peak
I have fought him but haven’t beat him
brisk trail
aus
peak zealot
well, maybe not compared to other dashs, most dashes suck
brisk trail
keep gold incase you can buy a dd from charons well
hallow peak
Now that I am better and upgraded more I will probably try it again after I unlock arthur aspect
timber dove
ok
brisk trail
charon is easy in elysium
brisk trail
so if u fight him in tartarus you'll get molested
hallow peak
Then why is he easy in elysium... oh more boons and stuff got ya
timber dove
never fought him, only been here once before
hallow peak
Also probably didn’t help my first fight with him was in tartarus lol
brisk trail
if ur build is decent I'd fight him in asphodel cos the reward is huge
modern garnet
Doom is like hangover... you gotta get supporting boons or its disappointing
peak zealot
I think every time I've fought him was in asphodel. Just weird luck I guess
I've only fought him 3 times though
hangover is just super weapon dependant. kind of like doom but reversed and hangover is arguably better by itself
woven nacelle
I have fought him but haven’t beat him
You can... fight Charon?
peak zealot
yes, but first you have to rob him
brisk trail
actually it's borrowing
peak zealot
you never give it back
high island
Merciful End is the most universally broken build in the game, and that's a Doom builld.
modern garnet
He always gets the money back in the end
woven nacelle
How do you rob Charon? Or is this a side quest?
hallow peak
you never give it back
I think It counts as “borrowing” since I have given charon probably at least a hundred thousand obals by now
peak zealot
sometimes, when you encoutner charon, he will just leave his money lying on the ground behind him. Take it
modern garnet
After a while he just leaves his money lying around
hallow peak
Also im his prince
brisk trail
mid level shop will randomly have a bag of money
btw does anyone know, if you dont take the bag in a level can it appear later?
modern garnet
What are the conditions for charon fight? It's post-game only?
brisk trail
ummmm idk i think u have to progress story a bit
hallow peak
btw does anyone know, if you dont take the bag in a level can it appear later?
Ye sit can
peak zealot
honestly, I just want to know where charon is getting all these items. Is he constantly slaughtering underworld gods in order to get titan blood too?
modern garnet
They all float down
peak zealot
does it have a deal with hermes to steal 20% of boon letters?
hallow peak
I have had runs where I don’t touch it and it appears at least twice
woven nacelle
honestly, I just want to know where charon is getting all these items. Is he con...
Charon is secretly a god himself
peak zealot
Is that a secret?
timber dove
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNHYi6k7J7w the last boss fight
modern garnet
I wanna see charon fight bone hydra now
brisk trail
theres a deal with hermes where you have to beat charon twice in a row without dying
not in the same run tho
woven nacelle
Charon just kills gods and Titans in his free time
peak zealot
to be clear, its without dying to charon. You can and will die in between the fights
woven nacelle
Or alternatively he was there during the original fight between the gods and the Titans and stole his stock there
peak zealot
I prefer the explanation where he just randomly goes around killing hades for titan blood
everyone needs a hobby right
hallow peak
I prefer the explanation where he just randomly goes around killing hades for ti...
Or or or he just periodically scratches atlas
Lol
timber dove
https://imgur.com/a/4nErhmF deathless stand?
hallow peak
Atlas can’t really fight back is the sad funnt part
Wait
Wait
Is it achilles or nyx that had the secret dialogue for guan yu
bright comet
do i purge greater recall or lightning rod? dont think they go well together?
hallow peak
I got em mixed up
hallow peak
do i purge greater recall or lightning rod? dont think they go well together?
I forget what those do
Screenshot?
bright comet
greater recall is bloodstone return automatically
lightning rod is bloodstones strike enemies with lightning
when uncollected
peak zealot
depends on your build, is your cast actually worth using?
hallow peak
Hmm greater recall
peak zealot
as is, lightning rod is 210 dps if you just toss out all three bloodstones.
bright comet
for now its the lightning cast but im using stygius
hallow peak
I got lightning rod and it was pretty useful last fight actually
bright comet
i think lightning rod might be good on last fight yea
hallow peak
Allowed me to focus on the boss and not the minions
peak zealot
@bright comet do you have any way to make bloodstones drop faster? How much damage do you get per cast right now
bright comet
idk i literally just got zeus cast and then rod and greater recall
peak zealot
then just drop greater recall
and probably tr to avoid hitting enemies with your cast, just dump them into a wall at start of combat
timber dove
I have NEVER made it this far, holy hell https://imgur.com/a/gvcUiYU
https://imgur.com/a/lVhntLx so saving my cash?
timber dove
someone said save for Charon
hallow peak
I remember I got a epic side hustle and ocean bounty mid game once and I got like 2000 obals at the end
Also why obals and not drachma
timber dove
OK will spend it now
peak zealot
I think they were telling you to save so that you could maybe buy titan blood. Didn't quite get there though
hallow peak
Obal is fun to say but drachma just makes sense
hallow peak
Is it achilles or nyx that had the secret dialogue for guan yu
This?
timber dove
https://imgur.com/a/XRrfp7N does last stand mean I get an extra death defiance?
timber dove
so I can die twice?
peak zealot
ya, its achilles
hallow peak
so I can die twice?
Yeah you can get more DD later on at the mirror
bright comet
thats sd tho
peak zealot
I don't think it gives you more DD than your current max though
hallow peak
Hang on I am terrible at remembering names
peak zealot
if you already have max DD, probalby just take damage reduction? IDK, its close
craggy barn
https://imgur.com/a/XRrfp7N does last stand mean I get an extra death defiance?
it only gives you an extra dd if you already have an empty dd slot
bright comet
also purged recall, got splitting bolt
hallow peak
if you already have max DD, probalby just take damage reduction? IDK, its close
Actually no
I think chaos has a boon which will give another max DD
peak zealot
yes, but he actually gives a DD, he doesn't replenesh a DD
timber dove
crap, I have to fight hades, really....
hallow peak
crap, I have to fight hades, really....
Have fun
peak zealot
hes a pushover once you learn his 3 attacks
reef sentinel
Guys I just finished hades
hallow peak
Yeah
brisk trail
nice
reef sentinel
Like the ending i think
brisk trail
finished or finished finished or finished finished finished
peak zealot
realistaclly hardest boss fight in the game is probably some elysium mini boss
reef sentinel
It makes me happy but sad at the same time
maybe just one finished
Or even two
Like finished finished
brisk trail
what did u just complete
peak zealot
there are at least 4 different "finished" thresholds
reef sentinel
I’m going through a similar situation as zag and i just really want the acceptance he recieves
modern garnet
When I have a build that can shred the giant butterfly ball in a few seconds, I'm having a good day
peak zealot
@modern garnet for real, screw butterfly ball. Its sucha stupid DPS check
brisk trail
POG
hallow peak
<@!215604565893054464> for real, screw butterfly ball. Its sucha stupid DPS che...
I hate those stupid freaking things
brisk trail
LETS GOOOO
peak zealot
armored archers suck to fight too
reef sentinel
LESSS GOOOOOOO
timber dove
brisk trail
how much hp left
peak zealot
honestly, most elysium enemies are a pain
hallow peak
I honestly prefer asterius miniboss to the dang huge butterfly ball miniboss
timber dove
NOOOOOO
reef sentinel
I hate the butterfly ball
timber dove
he has my hp bars 😦
hallow peak
he has my hp bars 😦
Lol he called it early
brisk trail
^^^
timber dove
bugga
brisk trail
knew that was coming
reef sentinel
I just wanna be accepted like him
timber dove
I ided :(\
peak zealot
it happens
timber dove
so what you have to beat him twice?
brisk trail
he has 2 phases
peak zealot
2-3 times ya
timber dove
next time I know I had to kill those skull things fast
reef sentinel
Oh gosh good luck
brisk trail
or u can dash through them
peak zealot
or just keep them in mind and dash through the hit box
peak zealot
Whats odd is that on switch at least, sometimes the hit box gets visually bugged and can't be seen
timber dove
twin fists
hallow peak
twin fists
Honestly I never noticed it myself but when I brought my computer to high school and opened up hades on my free time one of my friends commented on the talos fists looking like infinity gauntlet
I lost it
Laughed for a solid five minutes
peak zealot
whihc one is talos? magnet fist?
hallow peak
Yep
hallow peak
I have wasted 20 runs now and spent around 4 hours doing this crap
If Achilles doesn’t start saying the magic words soon im gonna have an aneurysm
Im going to strangle achilles harder than his armband
hallow peak
Words that unlock last apsect for spear
peak zealot
have you invested 5 titan blood in spear stuff?
acoustic quartz
you dont need to
peak zealot
I don't think he will say the magic words until you do
hallow peak
have you invested 5 titan blood in spear stuff?
Try 10
acoustic quartz
you just have to get to the surface
and he says it once you go back to the house
hallow peak
Ive reached the surface
acoustic quartz
bruh?
hallow peak
I have invested well over 5 in non zag aspects
acoustic quartz
it should have unlocked already
hallow peak
I have
peak zealot
@acoustic quartz I mean, maybe it gets added to the queue, but its defintiely not as soon as you get back to the house
hallow peak
Whats the orher conditions
acoustic quartz
<@!334939296782090242> I mean, maybe it gets added to the queue, but its definti...
thats what happened for me tho
the moment i died to hades he said it
peak zealot
does achilles still have an exclamation point above his head when you die and go talk to him?
hallow peak
I have purchased the list of prophecies
acoustic quartz
so idk
hallow peak
And I have exhausted his story dialogue pool
peak zealot
so he doesn't have a notifier above his head at all now?
hallow peak
I have gone several hours of wasted runs trying to get him to say it.
BUT APPARENTLY
THIS DUDE DON’T KNOW WHAT A PHONIX IS CAUSE HE AINT MENTIONING THEM
hallow peak
so he doesn't have a notifier above his head at all now?
Nope
acoustic quartz
seems bugged
peak zealot
ok, go kill hades and see if he gets anotifier again
brisk trail
have you double checked a tutorial to make sure ur doing it right?
acoustic quartz
have you beaten hades?
hallow peak
have you beaten hades?
Yep
hallow peak
have you double checked a tutorial to make sure ur doing it right?
Nope I have done what the wiki says so either my rng is incredibly god awful or my game is bugged
peak zealot
have you checked the spear podium? maybe you got the words ealrier and didn't notice?
hallow peak
Its 1:10 am im gonna do this one or two more times then im packing up
brisk trail
https://youtu.be/jAfd6nt-Yg0 watch this, make sure you're doing it right
timber dove
for exagryph, aspect of zag or eris?
brisk trail
uhhh which ones that
timber dove
zag is bonus ammom eris is bonus damage when standing in special
brisk trail
https://youtu.be/jAfd6nt-Yg0 watch this, make sure you're doing it right
@hallow peak
uhhh do whichever you want
hallow peak
Im looking
acoustic quartz
for exagryph, aspect of zag or eris?
i use eris
reef sentinel
How do you unlock the shield?
acoustic quartz
a lot of people like hestia tho
brisk trail
keys
timber dove
can you combile the different aspects or only have one at a time?
brisk trail
only one
acoustic quartz
one
reef sentinel
Oh i meant the hidden aspect
peak zealot
only 1
acoustic quartz
Oh i meant the hidden aspect
talk to chaos
peak zealot
@reef sentinel I think its nyx?
acoustic quartz
and invest 5 titan blood on shield
reef sentinel
Thank u 💕
acoustic quartz
any weapon except for spear requires 5 titan blood investment
narrow hemlock
hidden aspect info is also pinned in #h1-story-discussion
timber dove
huh new god
brisk trail
you also need to invest 5 titan blood into the wapon
timber dove
someone call demeter
brisk trail
yep
reef sentinel
Yes
brisk trail
she only unlocks after you reach hades
reef sentinel
Welcome to the next part of the game
reef sentinel
Oh
timber dove
crystal beam seems good
brisk trail
aus how many runs have you done
reef sentinel
Yes
timber dove
this is 28
reef sentinel
crystal good
timber dove
yeah thinking crystal beam r frost strike
hallow peak
yeah thinking crystal beam r frost strike
Very good
brisk trail
Nope im doing everything right
how many times have you beaten hades since trying to get the spear
peak zealot
crystal is really good against some enemies. and almost useless against others
timber dove
hallow peak
OH SO NOW HE DOESN’T EVEN SHOW UP
peak zealot
take the epic
brisk trail
frost strike
acoustic quartz
lmao
hallow peak
Where is this dude im gonna make him a retch
brisk trail
how many hearts do you have on achilles
acoustic quartz
have you tried opening the aspect menu for the spear
maybe you missed the dialogue
peak zealot
how did you finish a run already? didn't you start it three miniutes ago?
@hallow peak
hallow peak
how many hearts do you have on achilles
That isn’t a requirement but huh 0
brisk trail
he's throwing
peak zealot
I think he gives you a shield looking thing?
brisk trail
ik that but if ur doing his quest he might be stuck on some dialogue
timber dove
got yard work to do now it cooled down, thanks all
hallow peak
I am not
peak zealot
go kill hades then talk to him
hallow peak
Several times I did that
acoustic quartz
maybe its cuz youre throwing runs
hallow peak
15 times have I killed dad now
acoustic quartz
and not actually going to the surface in your runs
hallow peak
Oh no you only need ro go to surface once
peak zealot
Have you killed hades since is dialogue pool emptied?
hallow peak
You don’t even need to beat hades for it to count
peak zealot
sure, have you visited hades ince achilles dialogue pool emptied
acoustic quartz
you are sure you havent gotten the dialogue right
brisk trail
I only threw runs to get the last few hammers
acoustic quartz
like youve checked the aspect menu]
hallow peak
Yes just did
acoustic quartz
ok legit tho your game might be bugged
if you really have reached the surface
it should proc
hollow hawk
Whats happening?
hallow peak
WHATS HAPPENING IS IM ABOUT TO MURDER ACHILLES
hallow peak
Im tryinf to get him to trigger secret dialogue
hollow hawk
Oh secret aspect dialogue?
hallow peak
Yes
hollow hawk
Yeah that took me a while
hallow peak
3 days now I have been doing this crap
hollow hawk
rngesus just doesn't like some of us tbh
Also dont feel like you're missing out on a lot, the first hidden aspect isnt that good for beginners
hallow peak
What have i done to be damned so? Oh rngesus why have I been punished so hatefullt
Literally making zagreus a anime character by making him spill gallons of blood
brisk trail
honestly just keep fighting hades until u get it
hallow peak
But I don’t wanna add more story dialogue
Watch me get it first thing tomorrow
I mean today
Watch me get it first thing past 8:00 an
brisk trail
^^^
hallow peak
I now have a new gladness for laser crystals
hallow peak
But I don’t wanna add more story dialogue
This
brisk trail
ur probably stuck on story dialogue
half zephyr
You end up with that no matter how the run goes at some points
The dialogue just has priority
hallow peak
ur probably stuck on story dialogue
No story dialogue for achilles left
I ran through all that
acoustic quartz
if achilles doesnt have the exclamation mark anymore
hallow peak
No more exclamation points
hallow peak
Between the exclamation marks
This is a looooong break
half zephyr
So just to get the basics out of the way
You have unlocked at least 5 other aspects?
hallow peak
Yep
brisk trail
ima take a break from hades before I get burnt out, time to go finish fairy tail
half zephyr
And fought hades?
hallow peak
Yes yes yes and yes
half zephyr
After that
half zephyr
Then it’s just low priority dialogue for you
You got higher priority dialogue waiting
So rng
brisk trail
I got it after like, 2-3 runs
hallow peak
If it becomes 4 im going to murder achilles
Im going to mod in a achilles bossfight and murder him
half zephyr
Just do runs normally & you’ll get it eventually
brisk trail
i still reckon you've done something wrong
what shadow said
if you keep grinding for one thing ur gonna get burnt out
half zephyr
What aspects have you unlocked?
Just curious
Zag all the way?
hallow peak
What aspects have you unlocked?
Just curious
Zag all the way?
I know that no
More then 5 in non zag
acoustic quartz
legit just
do normal runs
throwing runs like that doesnt make a huge difference
hallow peak
I’m just curious which 5 aspects you chose
Uhh hang on let me throw and ill see again
I found two laser crystals so it should be quick
Unless my game crashes
Oh no we good
hallow peak
I’m just curious which 5 aspects you chose
Honestly i just picked ones i already use often, oh load you stupid game
Great game sorry
Stupid computer
There we go
Ok so you listening @half zephyr
half zephyr
I’m reading, but in here it’s about the same
half zephyr
And?
half zephyr
brisk trail
have you put blood in 5 different weapons?
hallow peak
Its 5 blood it needs not...
half zephyr
Unlock
hallow peak
Im going to shank my self hang on
brisk trail
did u not watch the tutorial i sent u
hallow peak
I have anger issues but im still sane
Mostly
I kept reading invest titan blood into 5 seperate aspects
As invest 5 titan blood
brisk trail
but did u put it in different weapons?
half zephyr
Good luck!
hallow peak
Thankfully I have 10 titan blood so this is easg
brisk trail
so, u didnt have blood in 5 different weapons?
half zephyr
Hopefully now you’ll get it 
hallow peak
Lets ignore the fact that my brain pulls a effy weffy sometimes and makes me pour water in trash
peak zealot
anywho... anyone remember when the alt mirror upgrades get unlocked?
peak zealot
I'm on a fresh file and killed hades about a half a dozen times and still can't do it
hallow peak
Because ADHD and Aspergers is a massive b
brisk trail
u get it from myx after a few runs or smthn
brisk trail
shadow is that ur cat
peak zealot
weird. Killing hades must push that dilagoue lower in the queue I guess
half zephyr
shadow is that ur cat
Ye
half zephyr
He is yes
half zephyr
Lets ignore the fact that my brain pulls a effy weffy sometimes and makes me pou...
I mean that can be a good thing if the trash is on fire 
hallow peak
I mean that can be a good thing if the trash is on fire <:perrielleheh:739557525...
It was not
Lol
half zephyr
I did say if
brisk trail
Finally got the Gilgamesh waking phrase
hallow peak
Finally got the Gilgamesh waking phrase
Don’t come in here flexing that on me boi
brisk trail
Don’t come in here flexing that on me boi
Asdfghjkl
half zephyr
That reminds me
I did my first Luci run yesterday
It was ok, but weird
Got lucky & found the endless ammo hammer first
brisk trail
Whats the main guys name
half zephyr
Zagreus
brazen lagoon
eternal chamber isnt the best unless you're doing supersoaker
narrow hemlock
anywho... anyone remember when the alt mirror upgrades get unlocked?
investing a minimum of 300 darkness into the mirror is the requirement for the record
half zephyr
eternal chamber isnt the best unless you're doing supersoaker
I just needed a continuous laser
brisk trail
he is mega chad
Based danny brown
brazen lagoon
yessir
brisk trail
My friend got followed by him
half zephyr
I had epic Poseidon special
brazen lagoon
ooh poseidon special
half zephyr
And epic aphro attack
brazen lagoon
pretty good build
half zephyr
It was so random cuz I just did a mom pom run
brisk trail
I am jealous of my friend
brazen lagoon
mom pom do be very good
half zephyr
And then I lucked out & got epic Dionysus dash
So I got prerequisites for always epic
brazen lagoon
nice
brisk trail
mom pom do be very good
Me, danny and my friend are all Pisces
half zephyr
I think I had 2 rare boons that run from before I got the duo
brazen lagoon
Me, danny and my friend are all Pisces
poggers
brazen lagoon
I think I had 2 rare boons that run from before I got the duo
you lucked out huh
hallow peak
Are boonless runs a thing, where people only take hammers and powerups from charons well
half zephyr
you lucked out huh
Ye
brazen lagoon
if only you could get that kind of luck using bow
hallow peak
Seems plausible to me
brazen lagoon
Have u heard of william maranci
nope
half zephyr
if only you could get that kind of luck using bow
brazen lagoon
Seems plausible to me
quite a bit of people have done it
brisk trail
you'd need shackles
brisk trail
Where do i post my hot takes
hallow peak
Its not the normal exclamation mark bubble
brazen lagoon
Where do i post my hot takes
about hades? right here
hallow peak
But its like a spiky one ya know?
brazen lagoon
But its like a spiky one ya know?
ooh thats the one
spiky ones usually mean a quest or something important
brisk trail
Oh i love most of the characters but the one that reports the way you died shes so annoying
So I never talk
he?
brazen lagoon
you dont like hypnos? wow
hallow peak
But the wiki said the icon would be a scroll like icon
brazen lagoon
burning hot take
brazen lagoon
most people would be very unpleased with your statement
hallow peak
HE FLIPPING SAID IT
brazen lagoon
brisk trail
most people would be very unpleased with your statement
Not a big fan of Nasal voices
peak zealot
nice, you now have a mediocre spear
Also, I don't like hypnos either. He took forever to be loyal to me. Probably just had bad luck though
brisk trail
u mean the bond?
brazen lagoon
hypnos slander 🥱