h1-discussion

[runic parrot]

its like cupid's arrow

[sudden patrol]

Honestly I'm not complaining about charm, because getting the 15% charm chance on chiron is stupidly op

[runic parrot]

brainwashes u

[sudden patrol]

You charm them like every time you attack

[deep parrot]

yes but it still involves them being overwhelmingly attracted to you

[sudden patrol]

so you can just keep attacking and render them useless

[deep parrot]

LMAO

[grand crystal]

lol the legendary is called unhealthy fixation

[sudden patrol]

I was on a crappy run but I got the legendary boon in styx and that let me win

[deep parrot]

that is funny

[restive cave]

whats the hardest hitting way to build aspect of hera bow?

[deep parrot]

what does the legendary do?

[brazen lagoon]

Crush shot + parting shot

[sudden patrol]

every time you inflict weak get a %15 chance to charm

[grand crystal]

or dio cast

[brazen lagoon]

Or FF+ scint feast and ice wine

[grand crystal]

• scint feast and ice wine

[sudden patrol]

stupidly good

[deep parrot]

oh I thought the charm thing wasn't a legendary lol

makes sense

charm is amazing

[sudden patrol]

honestly aphro is underrated imo

[grand crystal]

its also on the call

[grand crystal]

she really isnt, shes one of the most used gods :/

her, athena, artemis

[sudden patrol]

she has great boons, her call is the best in the game imo, and charm

[grand crystal]

youll see them a lot

[sudden patrol]

athena sucksss

[restive cave]

what is scint feast

[sudden patrol]

other than divine dash

[grand crystal]

BRUH HER DASH IS THE BEST IN THE GAME

and her damage can get crazy

[restive cave]

her legendary is pretty cool too imo

[grand crystal]

and dd boons

[sudden patrol]

Read my above comment

[brazen lagoon]

You have alerted the horde

[grand crystal]

wdym shes bad

[sudden patrol]

I'll stand by it goddamnit

deflect isn't as good as say, weak

[grand crystal]

ok when you get 100+ damage on deflect, 100+ more baclstab

is that bad??

[brazen lagoon]

You're either brave or foolish

[sudden patrol]

plus her sheer damage isn't great

[sudden patrol]

both

[grand crystal]

you get util

[deep parrot]

yeah aphro has the highest % increases for the main boons
though weak is not that useful a debuff
but the % increases are real high

[sudden patrol]

aphro is better

[grand crystal]

since deflect is essentially iframes

[sudden patrol]

weak is useful if you're a glass cannon

which I usually am

[brazen lagoon]

Deflect is great if you're trying to stay alive

[grand crystal]

then take more hearts :/

athena is one of the best gods in the game

[deep parrot]

if you can win as a glass cannon you probably don't need weak

[sudden patrol]

deflect is for wusses who can't take damage head on

[mighty snow]

12 Hades attempts and only 3 wins. This game is really starting to make me hate myself and affect my mental health but I don't wanna stop playing. Of the 9 losses, 4-5 of them have literally been down to the wire....10-20% health. So frustrating! I know I am doing pretty well overall. 3 wins and 12 trips in 55 attempts isn't awful. I just hate knowing I could have done better and I can never get back those losses

[deep parrot]

weak is for wusses who can't take damage head on

[sudden patrol]

I mean, sorta? the damage decrease is better

[grand crystal]

deflect is for smart players that want to have safer dashes while also dealing damage

[sudden patrol]

It just decreases damage, deflect reverses it

[brazen lagoon]

You'll get there eventually

[grand crystal]

saying its for wusses is just an excuse

[brazen lagoon]

Keep your head up

[sudden patrol]

Divine dash is the one exception

[grand crystal]

how about you play on hl5 and take 100 damage from hades

[deep parrot]

and?
both reduces it below 100% damage

[brazen lagoon]

Deflect just reduces the work of having to dodge attacks and stuff

[sudden patrol]

because weak reduces it less and therefore makes the game more interesting and fun

[brazen lagoon]

Gives you more leeway to deal damage

[sudden patrol]

which is less fun

[deep parrot]

I will never agree with you dude lmao

*on this topic

[grand crystal]

wdym reduces it less ;w;

athena literally makes you take nothing

and deal it back

[sudden patrol]

yes

[grand crystal]

like

[sudden patrol]

which reduces it more

therefore being boring

[grand crystal]

oh wait

i cant read

[deep parrot]

@grand crystal you take 100% less damage from athena
you take 15% less from aphro

[sudden patrol]

honestly the best dash is poseidon

[grand crystal]

eh

[sudden patrol]

unless you get her 10% more boon

[deep parrot]

still

[sudden patrol]

His is the best if you get other boons to help it

[grand crystal]

i thought it was 30% :/

i might just not be able to read

[deep parrot]

I saw 15% last time I checked

idk

[sudden patrol]

I managed to take out a ton of enemies in styx without attacking cause of my good build on dash

[brazen lagoon]

Weak is 30% default

[sudden patrol]

I dashed into a wall over and over, which dealt tons of damage

[deep parrot]

oh it is 30%

I just checked again

[grand crystal]

hehe i can read 😎

[sudden patrol]

it just melts enemies in styx

[deep parrot]

lmao

[grand crystal]

anything can melt styx tho

its not hard to melt styx

[sudden patrol]

Tell that to king vermin lmao

[runic parrot]

king vermin isnt too hard to melt

[grand crystal]

you cant knockback bosses :/

[runic parrot]

just has a lot of health

[sudden patrol]

Wasn't talking about my dash build

but about your claim

[deep parrot]

this is probably one of the worst ways to use 😎 , in the sense it can make you seem lesser than before by adding that :P

[sudden patrol]

cringe

also aspect of chiron just obliterates the big butterfly ball

[deep parrot]

I hate the butterfly orbs

[grand crystal]

i one shot it with rama once 😎

[deep parrot]

in general

[grand crystal]

it was soo fun

[sudden patrol]

especially if you have the 400% against armor daedalus

[sudden patrol]

aspect of chiron, once again

[grand crystal]

well not one shot but once i set up everything i just powershot and killed it

[sudden patrol]

aspect of chiron asserts that moths are better than butterflies

[brazen lagoon]

Butterfly ball isn't too much of a hassle tbh

[grand crystal]

this tbh

[brazen lagoon]

I just break its armor and use the summon

Poof

[grand crystal]

both elysium minibosses arent hard

[sudden patrol]

did this comment add anything whatsoever

[deep parrot]

that they agree

[grand crystal]

it showed my agreement with the statement :/

[brazen lagoon]

This one didn't either

[sudden patrol]

did I say I disagree?

[deep parrot]

^^^^

[sudden patrol]

either way, the worst miniboss for chiron is that teleporting guy in tartarus

[brazen lagoon]

I mean if you're gonna be on someone because their comment didn't mean anything make sure yours does lol

But anywags

[deep parrot]

I hate the teleporting tartarus guy

[sudden patrol]

at least im owning up to it

[deep parrot]

lmao

[sudden patrol]

it's so much better to fight the 2 lizalfo guys

[grand crystal]

?? you mean when you have bp on??

since nothing teleports i think

[runic parrot]

sneak

[deep parrot]

this is a chatroom
I don't see why message importance matters

[sudden patrol]

...what

[runic parrot]

i think

[grand crystal]

oh wait

sneak

[runic parrot]

sneak sucks

[deep parrot]

dude the miniboss lol

[grand crystal]

sneak teleports

i forgot about sneak

[sudden patrol]

sneak can go die in a ditch in nevada

[grand crystal]

i always get doomstone

[sudden patrol]

the 2 lizalfoes are better

[runic parrot]

he's called sneak but he doesnt sneak! he just teleports!

[sudden patrol]

doomstone isn't bad tho

[runic parrot]

just call yourself wretched teleporter

[grand crystal]

but thats not as cool

[runic parrot]

shaking my smh my head

[deep parrot]

not a bad name tbh

[brazen lagoon]

Smh Mr giant can't even name enemies correctly smh

[deep parrot]

this hurts to read

[brazen lagoon]

0/10

[deep parrot]

please

[sudden patrol]

I swear to god someday I will beat a run with the sword and the shield

they're both so annoying

[runic parrot]

use the poseidon sword

[sudden patrol]

but I hate the shield most

[grand crystal]

sword is very fun

[deep parrot]

I love shield

[grand crystal]

shield is also fun

just needs the right aspect

[sudden patrol]

and waste titan blood on a weapon I'll never use again?

[deep parrot]

any weapon that can be ranged is great

[grand crystal]

i like nem sword and zeus shield

[runic parrot]

ok then no more suggestions from me lol

[sudden patrol]

Ik

sorry, but yeah I just like saving blood for the fists/bow

[deep parrot]

you need to unlock every aspect for a prophecy

[grand crystal]

^^

[hardy kernel]

Then it'll be much harder to win!

[deep parrot]

pretty sure it rewards you with more blood

[grand crystal]

and win with the hidden aspects

for more prophecies

which take blod

blood

5 in each weapon

besides spear

[sudden patrol]

speaking of important items I can never get thanatos to spawn so I can't grant him ambrosia

which is annoying

[deep parrot]

I feel that

[grand crystal]

yeaaa it took a while for than to get consistant

[deep parrot]

and it's a prophecy in of themselves

[sudden patrol]

I've got as much as ambrosia as I need to max it out but nooooooo he just has to go get revenge on sisyphus or something

[grand crystal]

lots of prophecies

[deep parrot]

oh yeah I probably should have mentioned they were seperate

I love it when they split up prophecies

cuz it could have been one large prophecy

[sudden patrol]

speaking of which, why does skelly have a obol in his mouth?

*an

[grand crystal]

cuz he gets paid to be killed

and hes gotta keep it somewhere

[sudden patrol]

by 1 obol?

[grand crystal]

its a nice design choice

[brazen lagoon]

Greeks used to Bury their dead with a coin in their mouth as an offering to charon

[charred anchor]

^

[deep parrot]

this too yeah

[brazen lagoon]

The spirit would give the coin to charon and he'd take them across the river styx

[sudden patrol]

except for the subreddit's logo which looks terrifying

[sudden patrol]

then what's the point of thanatos?

[deep parrot]

pretty sure if you aren't buried with gold you never can cross styx
which is bs but yeah

[brazen lagoon]

Charon needs to get paid

[deep parrot]

thanatos takes the souls to the underworld in the first place...

[brazen lagoon]

Ain't no such thing as free labour

[grand crystal]

than and hermes take them to charon

charon take them where they need to go

[deep parrot]

what about slavery

not saying slavery is good
but it is a thing that exists

[sudden patrol]

not free, you need to feed your slaves.

[grand crystal]

lmao

[deep parrot]

well, technically you don't

[grand crystal]

i like that this is what its devolves into

[brazen lagoon]

I mean you don't have to

[deep parrot]

they just don't last as long that way

[sudden patrol]

if you want slaves for very long

[grand crystal]

"does slavery take money" lmao

[sudden patrol]

for food, it does

not much

but it does

[brazen lagoon]

Why feed people when you can just get new people

But anyways moving on

[deep parrot]

you do have to buy or use labor to catch slaves though

[brazen lagoon]

Hades

Game

[sudden patrol]

pulling a stalin I see

[deep parrot]

lmao yeah

[grand crystal]

very good agme

game

[deep parrot]

this devolved VERY QUICKLY lmao

[charred anchor]

Yeah... 😐

[brazen lagoon]

Game of the year

And my favourite game ever

[charred anchor]

Ive only played like 3 games so yeah

[grand crystal]

its not my favorite game, but its def up there

[deep parrot]

@charred anchor

[charred anchor]

??

[sudden patrol]

It's not my favorite, that goes to BOTW or Pokemon: Sword

it's in like the top 4

[deep parrot]

lmao
I felt that

[grand crystal]

botw + sword 🤮 (no hate)

they are alright

not that great

the second you look too hard they fall apart

[sudden patrol]

I've got 750 hours on botw

[grand crystal]

how

[sudden patrol]

but sure i havent looked hard enough

combat

I wanna kill 999 lynels

for the heck of it

[grand crystal]

the combat is super linear

[charred anchor]

Anyway, hades

[deep parrot]

botw was ok
I hate the type of ending
pokemon peaked gen 5

[grand crystal]

i-

[sudden patrol]

I'm on like 400 rn

[grand crystal]

pokemon was best gen 3-5

imo

[sudden patrol]

I've killed around 400 lynels. God weeps.

[grand crystal]

started falling off at 6

[charred anchor]

Pokemon peaked when they had the gay rainbow bird

[sudden patrol]

I like shiny hunting in shield

[brazen lagoon]

I have 430 hours in this game

[grand crystal]

should probably move to #video-games

[deep parrot]

exactly; it peaked at 5

[sudden patrol]

no

[brazen lagoon]

Haven't played in a while tho

[grand crystal]

or get back on topic

[brazen lagoon]

Currently sinking my time into stardew valley

But anyways

[charred anchor]

Whats yalls fave duo

[brazen lagoon]

Aspects amirite

Heart rend is God tier

[deep parrot]

hestia hazard bomb is bestia

[sudden patrol]

I did the entire center in stardew valley in one ingame year and got bored and burnt out

[grand crystal]

scint feast is fun

[sudden patrol]

which one is that?

[grand crystal]

eris hazard is fun

[brazen lagoon]

Arte aphro duo

[grand crystal]

mirage shot is also pog

[deep parrot]

but
that's constant self damage

[sudden patrol]

Which does what again?

[brazen lagoon]

Makes weak enemies take 150% more crit damage

[sudden patrol]

ah

that's good

[charred anchor]

Its rly good esp on nemesis

[sudden patrol]

sort of

[grand crystal]

not if you use dash iframes

[charred anchor]

I cant stand hestia

[deep parrot]

huh

interesting

[sudden patrol]

only really good if you're running aspect of chiron with something on artemis

[grand crystal]

just dash when it lands and you ge tthe buff and not the damage taken :3

[sudden patrol]

cause with chiron you can get crits all day everyday

[grand crystal]

its very braindead

hence why i like it

i become a belmont in smash 5

[sudden patrol]

Proxy is the kid to remind the teacher about the homework

[charred anchor]

Hot take but cursed slash > guan yu

[sudden patrol]

literally anything>guan yu

[grand crystal]

lmao

[charred anchor]

I mean they have similar mechanics so thats why im comparing them but yes

[grand crystal]

guan yu is alright

ive warmed up to it

[sudden patrol]

srsly proxy needs to take a chill pill, we're not small children

[charred anchor]

True

[deep parrot]

I like hestia cuz on hazard bomb, I rarely use attack if zag, so why not just buff the damage with the same firerate?

[brazen lagoon]

Guan yu >>>> shield imo

[grand crystal]

arte special + charged skewer

[sudden patrol]

cause....you die when you get hit with the special?

[grand crystal]

or like athena attack with quick + massive spin

[charred anchor]

The spin attack sucks cuz u get interrupted

[grand crystal]

very fun on gy

[deep parrot]

no?

[grand crystal]

stop spamming it then/using it in bad spots :/

until you get quick spin you cant use it a lot

[deep parrot]

just cuz I like to use hazard bomb
it feels nice

[sudden patrol]

isn't hazard bomb the one where it deals more damage but you take damage if you get hit by it?

[grand crystal]

yep

[charred anchor]

Guan yu is really good with the hammer that makes you sturdy

[sudden patrol]

so it just hurts you to use it

[deep parrot]

it hurts to be in the resulting blast

[grand crystal]

no, you get +300% in it

[deep parrot]

it's easy to not be in the blast

[grand crystal]

if it hits enemies

and you take very little damage from it

i took it and only took 7

[charred anchor]

Hazard bomb is pretty good imo, i mean i usually use eris but with other aspects

[sudden patrol]

but if you're not in the blast with hestia you don't get the bonus

[charred anchor]

No thats eris

[grand crystal]

hestia doesnt give you a bonus

[sudden patrol]

oh

[grand crystal]

and like i said

[deep parrot]

hestia is shotgun

[grand crystal]

you can still get it without getting hurt with eris

[sudden patrol]

so wait what is hestia?

[deep parrot]

eris is buff from hazard bomb

[sudden patrol]

the reloading one?

[deep parrot]

hestia is a shotgun

[charred anchor]

Reloading gives u a buff

[grand crystal]

not shotgun

[sudden patrol]

how is that a shotty

[grand crystal]

just every reload you get stronk bullet

[deep parrot]

or well
shotgun loaded with slugs

[charred anchor]

Anyway thoughts on lucifer? I dont like it that much but maybe im just bad at it lol

[deep parrot]

non-burst rounds

[grand crystal]

luci is a meme

thats my opinion on it

[deep parrot]

but still shotgunny

[sudden patrol]

sucks imo, I was so excited for it but it now sucks from my experience

[grand crystal]

like

[deep parrot]

a shotgun with a slug has more oomph than a AR bullet

[grand crystal]

super soaker is fun

ares can be fun

zeus is decent

and dem can be good to

dio is fun

[charred anchor]

Okay whats yalls favorite hidden aspect

[grand crystal]

but all of em are just emmes

[charred anchor]

I like arthur

[grand crystal]

RAMA

[brazen lagoon]

Lucifer is pretty memey

[grand crystal]

RAMA GANG

[brazen lagoon]

Rama washes any hidden aspect ez

[charred anchor]

Rama is okay but i dont like the bow that much

[deep parrot]

I literally haven't tried any hiddens
only unlocked spear and gun hidden

[sudden patrol]

i guess the aspect of rama? don't have many others other than lucifer...

[charred anchor]

Arthur is really fun imo

Especially in asphodel

[brazen lagoon]

Rama best bow easily

[grand crystal]

arthur is slow(painfully) imo

[grand crystal]

and one of the best hiddens

[sudden patrol]

isn't rama the shared suffering? that one isn't great imo

[grand crystal]

only equaled by beo imo

[sudden patrol]

it just is too situational

[grand crystal]

bruh

thats just wrong

it lets you wipe rooms

[sudden patrol]

how so?

[charred anchor]

Beowulf is pretty good yeah

[deep parrot]

isn't it arguable to say zag bow is best?
I remember someone atleast saying it's the best zag

[sudden patrol]

I rarely get the arrows to hit and 30% isn't great

[grand crystal]

it caps at 60

[brazen lagoon]

Zag bow best zag but rama best bow

[charred anchor]

Zag bow might be the worst weapon period lmao

[grand crystal]

and get better at hitting then

[sudden patrol]

aspect of chiron>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>aspect of rama

[brazen lagoon]

I am offended

[sudden patrol]

still nto great, plus the other arrows rarely hit enemies

[brazen lagoon]

This is just wrong

[sudden patrol]

how so? only one can deal like 300 damage per hit in tartarus

[grand crystal]

i one shot butterfly ball with rama

[weak spruce]

why is guan yu such a torture

[deep parrot]

have better aim? let the autoaim stuff fire for you?

[grand crystal]

the miniboss

through the armor and all

[sudden patrol]

i can hit fine but the other arrows just bounce around

[grand crystal]

it lets you clear rooms

[grand crystal]

then change target to another

[sudden patrol]

how? isn't it good for many weak enemies?

also how long does the suffering last?

[grand crystal]

60% buff with shared suffering

[charred anchor]

Tbh i like to focus on the feel of the weapons rather than dmg, like fist and sword are fun cuz you can just brute force your way thru rooms

[sudden patrol]

it seems too short imo

[grand crystal]

long enough

they should die by the time it ends unless its a boss

[sudden patrol]

srsly how do you oneshot enemies with the rama bow

[grand crystal]

shared gives you 60%

boiling gives you 50%

[sudden patrol]

it's good for hitting many enemies, not one strong one

[charred anchor]

Rama with dio special is banger

[grand crystal]

ps gives you 40%

[brazen lagoon]

You have obviously never seen the amount of power Rama can do

[grand crystal]

triple shot is a *3 to damage

just

watch a rama speedtun

run

[sudden patrol]

I rarely use it so, yeah

[narrow hemlock]

people use rama fairly frequently for 50 heat, just fun fact

[grand crystal]

tailesque used it for 60 :3

[narrow hemlock]

tail is like. objectively very good at the game lmao

[charred anchor]

Ive only managed 32 heat with fists though ive tried it on a few weapons

[grand crystal]

i also did 40 with rama

it felt so free

it makes soo much heat just not exist

[charred anchor]

Yeah i guess dc2 would be ez

[grand crystal]

so is js3

[brazen lagoon]

Tail is cracked

[grand crystal]

and cp2 is alright

[sudden patrol]

maybe ill try it, but only maybe. still seems kinda weak

[grand crystal]

and it makes td much easier to deal with

part of what makes rama crazy is shared suffering

[charred anchor]

When i do bow i usually use hera with aphrodite cast because its just really fun

[grand crystal]

its essentially an aoe crit if you run arte

[narrow hemlock]

i dont think an aspect that is actually weak would be favoured in high heat runs

my onion

[grand crystal]

onion

[narrow hemlock]

ya

[charred anchor]

Well different stuff works for differnet people

[grand crystal]

when did we get union emoji lol

[deep parrot]

clearly

[charred anchor]

We need a union emoji

[grand crystal]

i dont remember it being there

hehe

[charred anchor]

Wretches of the underworld, unionize

[narrow hemlock]

there are certain aspects that objectively perform better at high heat than others. most aspects are largely down to player preference, until you climb into high heat

[grand crystal]

it has layers

[narrow hemlock]

the game isnt balanced around high heat because most of the playerbase is never going to touch it

[grand crystal]

but those who do really only use a few weapons

[deep parrot]

what aspects are viable high heat?

[grand crystal]

eris you see very often

rama

zeus/beo shield

[weak spruce]

definitely not guanyu

[grand crystal]

and idk about the other weps :/

[grand crystal]

no people use it

hell i did for my 32

[charred anchor]

What aspects do yall think are just the most fun to play

[grand crystal]

rama

nemesis

[charred anchor]

Like not factoring heat or dmg or whatever

[grand crystal]

zeus shield

dem is fun imo

[charred anchor]

It is

Zeus too

[grand crystal]

gilga is fun but not good

same with luci

[deep parrot]

yk how 64 heat is really hard?

[grand crystal]

very

5 minutes per area

to deal with a lot of bs

fo2 em4 is scary enough

and now you almost never get the boons you want because of ap2

you can only heal via hearts and sd since lc4

everything deals >10 damage and hades deals like 80 since hl5

[deep parrot]

it's funny how 64 heat would be easier if already beaten
cuz the +5 max hp per boss instead of nothing
but that doesn't help
cuz 64 heat is too hard to beat in the first place lol

[grand crystal]

traps can end the run with hades pots dealing 150

[charred anchor]

Bruh

[grand crystal]

most traps deal around 100 damage

fo2 is terrifying

UC means that the very few boons you get need to be sold

ri4 means no mirror

so no dds actually

no dashes

nothing

[deep parrot]

though
it doesn't have to be beaten to get the +5 hps
so nvm
still, later attempts are slightly easier than your first attempt at 64 heat cuz you get up to +15 more max hp
almost nothing
but still

[charred anchor]

Lmao ri4 sounds terrifying

[grand crystal]

yea most heat people never take it

since it makes it wayy to damn hard

i only take ri1 since its only run manip i lose and id rather not have to take fo

[deep parrot]

yeah ri4 is practically playing the game from scratch in some ways
you still have your blood and trinkets
but the mirror just doesn't exist

[deep parrot]

yeah ri1 isn't that bad

the farther down you go on the mirror, the less important it gets

[grand crystal]

ri2 i get scared

since i lose hp

and money

and em4 isnt hard, but it is with other things like fo2

since imagine 3rd phase hades

where you cant see half of the screen

[deep parrot]

wait why not

[grand crystal]

with him dealing 80 damage since hl5

em4

another hades phase

[deep parrot]

what does em4 do

[grand crystal]

changes hades moveset a bit

he spawns minibosses

instead of normal enemies

[deep parrot]

you said you can't see though

[deep parrot]

ooo
that's cool

[grand crystal]

you cant see since the screen becomes mostly black

in 3rd phase that is

he has a move where he heals

its not hard on its own

[deep parrot]

just up your brightness

[grand crystal]

that doesnt work that much

like it helps a bit

[deep parrot]

oh damn

[grand crystal]

but it still hurts

like

its not hard on its own

but with hl5 ,hs, fo2 its terrifying

[brazen lagoon]

Me trying to find hades during phase 3 is like the weeknd superbowl meme

[deep parrot]

is it everywhere is black, or you emanate a tiny bit of light?

[grand crystal]

let me find an em4 vid

[deep parrot]

I do not know this meme

[grand crystal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iCFwa0Dlxo

go to like 3:28

thats 3rd phase

its scary when you have more heat

since him going stupid fast dealing massive damage and pots not being easily seen that can one shot you

with heat he's very scary

[weak spruce]

lol just realized guan yu's spin attack heals you

yep I am noob

[grand crystal]

yea it does

[weak spruce]

k it's doable then

[grand crystal]

but dont rely on it

[weak spruce]

not that harsh

[grand crystal]

its a pitfall to rely on it

only use it when its safe

[weak spruce]

yeah takes forever to charge

this thing needs quick spin

[grand crystal]

and if you get quick spin +massive spin

its very funny

but i reccomend arte special

and gun for charged skewer

youll be dealing around 350 per throw

and 1k for crits

[deep parrot]

I love how than both makes a room easier but also adds an extra challenge

like you could just sit there and have a free encounter

or you could try and race him and get more max hp

[grand crystal]

or beat him and get a heart :3

i like the dialogue

[weak spruce]

wish you could roll the hammer like boons

[grand crystal]

same but it makes sense as to why

since its just a hammer

not a persuadable god

[deep parrot]

well the rerolls are fate

you aren't using persuasion

[grand crystal]

its called fated persuasion tho ;w;

[deep parrot]

you're persuading fate

[grand crystal]

zag literally says "anything else??"

:(

[weak spruce]

well the chances of getting those two exact upgrades you've mentioned in a single run is pretty low

[grand crystal]

my headcannon is that hes just like "heeyyyyyy arees, can i like, get some other things??"

[weak spruce]

gotta get lucky

[deep parrot]

my headcannon is he's saying that to the fates, and they literally reroll time

[brazen lagoon]

'heyyy buddy, look I appreciate your generosity, I really do, buuut could you maybe give me something else please?'

[weak spruce]

then it gives the same boon but lower rarity

sadness

[grand crystal]

lmao

yea

[deep parrot]

what if they were all common tho
the only way is up!

[brazen lagoon]

'oh of course zag, here how about I give you the exact same thing but worse you selfish *********'

[grand crystal]

then there times like

"oh of course little hades, ill give you something even better"

and he gives you the boon you want at epic

[weak spruce]

would the game be too easy if we could just choose any daedalus upgrade we wanted each time

[grand crystal]

yes

cuz then id always choose triple shot + point blank shot on rama

and shred

[weak spruce]

kinda fun though

[grand crystal]

i mean mods exist :/

you can always just mod and get control over anything i think

[deep parrot]

^^

[weak spruce]

maybe later when I am sure I've done everything in the game

not yet

[grand crystal]

i might mod it ngl

sicne ive kinda ran the game dry

[weak spruce]

yea why not

there are some perfect builds in my mind that I can't make cuz of rng

[deep parrot]

that feeling when you accidentally click and chose the worst option possible of the 3 boons

[grand crystal]

EA and playing on like 3 curr patch account s

[grand crystal]

f

[brazen lagoon]

Most mods I've installed are just QoL stuff

Makes rng less of an ass

[deep parrot]

I rarely choose anything other than QoL mods for games

[grand crystal]

honestly i wish we had boon experiments with skelly

[brazen lagoon]

Same

[deep parrot]

that would be great

[grand crystal]

like even just common

being able to experiement would be great

[brazen lagoon]

I think content mods for games are kinda inferior to the content in the actual game

[weak spruce]

wish there was some training room where you could pick any boon and upgrade you want and have fun

[grand crystal]

well anyway i gotta get off for the night

[weak spruce]

but then you'd see everything and get bored of the game maybe

iunno

[grand crystal]

so goodnight yall

[deep parrot]

gn fox!

[weak spruce]

gn

[deep parrot]

have sweet dreams

[grand crystal]

i hope so, i had a really creepy dream a couple days ago :3

[restive cave]

fkin extreme measures dad is HARD

[grand crystal]

but yea gn

[deep parrot]

also lmao I have said this atleast 7 times in the last few days to the person I talked about earlier that may or may not be the closest thing I'll have to a "soul mate"

I literally wouldn't have said "have sweet dreams" if how I talk to faer wasn't bleeding into my other conversation
instinctively everyone's pronouns are fae/faer now and their name is the pet name I have for faer lmao

especially if I am talking about a character in a show with the character onscreen in my face

and then I'm like "wait what her pronouns aren't fae/faer
this is a tv show
literally noone in media has neopronouns"

[brazen lagoon]

Not to be a buzzkill pine but this is kinda off topic

[deep parrot]

it's fine I was done anyways lol

[brazen lagoon]

Cool

[deep parrot]

how bad is hydraulic might?

[brazen lagoon]

It's pretty good actually

[deep parrot]

wut

specifically for bosses?

eh I am still gonna reroll

[brazen lagoon]

It helps with rooms too

Just not too much

[deep parrot]

AUGH LITERALLY ONLY HYDRAULIC MIGHT CHANGED
all other boons kept the same rarity lmao

[brazen lagoon]

Lol

That's reroll luck for ya

[weak spruce]

fates strike again

[deep parrot]

lmao I am seriously considering tempest flourish epic on zag sword just to maybe sell later

cuz it won't do anything otherwise lmao

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/819442008287477780/unknown.png

meep

;-;

[brazen lagoon]

F

[deep parrot]

I have almost exactly half the needed gold

and I have 1 DD left
and it's chamber 33

[brazen lagoon]

I remember is had 199 coins once and there was kiss of styx offered

[deep parrot]

ykw from now on I am using SD
literally I never need more than like 1 DD on hades

[brazen lagoon]

Personally I prefer DD because I can get careless sometimes during hades

[deep parrot]

oh there were 2 curses in that message

lmao

when that crap happens in a game I am always like "dude it's one gold you know I can pay you back later"

[brazen lagoon]

Yeah like bro I'll pay you back next time

[deep parrot]

irl people won't short change you for a damn ass penny

[brazen lagoon]

I'll even pay interest and everything

[deep parrot]

like seriously

[deep parrot]

10x interest even

hell maybe even 100x

just let me pay 1 less gold this once cmon man

[weak spruce]

charon is a serious business man

[deep parrot]

imagine if you were buying a car irl and someone wouldn't let you pay 1 buck short

[weak spruce]

bound by a strict set of codes

[restive cave]

if i have aphros short range cast ability, then i find parting shot, will i lose parting shot if i sell the cast boon?

[deep parrot]

literally their profits would probably be less that day from refusing a customer and getting 1 less sale than from losing 1 buck lmao

[deep parrot]

boons will never delete themselves

they can just cease to do anything though

[restive cave]

what boon should i replace it with for cast

assuming i still get the backstab damage on it

pprobably festive fog hits the hardest?

[brazen lagoon]

Don't think festive fog will do anything with parting shot

You could try arte cast

Athena cast would be good too

[deep parrot]

aoe effects either have 0 backstab or base it off the center of the cast
or at the very least, them being able to hit a shielded enemy works this way
I think aoe actually never backstabs

[restive cave]

aphro's aoe cast backstabs tho

[deep parrot]

tfw you get than trinket to trigger on an exploding chariot room

I used a lot of casts lmao

[deep parrot]

that's not aoe

like I get what you mean

but by aoe I mean seperate from zag

just a circle that will cause damage

[restive cave]

oh like if the cast doesnt stick onto them

[deep parrot]

yeah

[restive cave]

cuz aphro's does aoe i think but it still gets stuck to them

[deep parrot]

or hazard bomb

[restive cave]

selling her boon made the backstab effect not work anymore though, i just bailed on that run i ruined it lol

[deep parrot]

yes any cast that will be absorbed by an enemy can backstab

but some casts that don't can too I think
like demeter's laser crystal

[deep parrot]

tfw you're missing 2-3 DD and find a story room in elysium

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/819446292324810752/unknown.png

lmao I always kill asterius first so this checks out

[dusky wedge]

If the game rewards me for always killing him first, I would love it

[deep parrot]

theseus' ranged attacks are basically nonexistant and easy to avoid

[dusky wedge]

Like, “nemesis vanquished” prophecy or something lol

[deep parrot]

asterius is a damn charging bull

I'm killing asterius first

[weak spruce]

it just dawned on me that I never killed theseus first

wonder if something different happens

[deep parrot]

especially since asterius' 2nd phase is nothing, and theseus' 2nd phase is A BIG DIFFERENCE

[dusky wedge]

The only I killed him first was by accident

[brazen lagoon]

I go for asterius first before I go for theseus

[deep parrot]

I think I killed theseus first once or twice

[brazen lagoon]

Mostly because theseus' 2nd phase is kinda annoying

[weak spruce]

theseus 2nd phase is a little annoying so it's better to be alone with him

[deep parrot]

exactly

[brazen lagoon]

What I do is normally get asterius down to half hp and then get theseus to half hp and then just dab on them both

[deep parrot]

LMAO

I make sure asterius is dead first

before theseus even triggers phase 2

[dusky wedge]

Eh, I just meant that the game would reward me one time for being stupid and kill Theseus first

[deep parrot]

oh lol

get an extra heart lol

[dusky wedge]

Of course, it’s always better to kill bull first

[deep parrot]

25 max hp would legit be a reward

[dusky wedge]

Prophecy rewards is what I meant

[deep parrot]

I'd kill theseus first for 25 hp each run

I get wanting a prophecy too

[dusky wedge]

I think an in-run rewards can get unfair but, hey, I’m not complaining if they’re going to do that lol

[dusky wedge]

True, me too

[deep parrot]

tbf I might even kill theseus first for just 5 extra max hp

[carmine ravine]

I always kill theseus first, asterius charge is like nothing lol

[dusky wedge]

^ Damn lol

[deep parrot]

theseus' ranged spear throw is even less nothing tho

[brazen lagoon]

General consensus is asterius then theseus but tbh I don't really care

As long as they die quick it's fine

[deep parrot]

tfw you literally change your controls every time a fishing spot pops up so you can reel in faster

[carmine ravine]

Just use a controller

[deep parrot]

🤢

how about
no

[brazen lagoon]

I've used a controller like twice in my life

Mostly because I never owned a console

[deep parrot]

I own a switch and used to own an xbox I have used controller a lot more than that

[carmine ravine]

Controller gives out vibration when it hits, so u can basically gets geeat catch with your eyes closed

[deep parrot]

but like
my switch pro controller has drift
and I am not gonna use the standard switch controllers (forgot what they're called) for pc lmao

[deep parrot]

tbh I'd turn that off lmao

[carmine ravine]

And even the game are designed for controllers with their simple move set

[deep parrot]

or wait you mean fishing hits

not in combat hits

[brazen lagoon]

It is recommended to use a controller

[carmine ravine]

Yes

[brazen lagoon]

But kbm works just fine

[deep parrot]

I am literally assuming the first bob is always the full deal rn just so I have any chance at getting the legendary for the prophecy
otherwise it literally isn't going to happen

I just don't process it that fast

[carmine ravine]

Just be more patient

[brazen lagoon]

Just wait lol 4head

[deep parrot]

but I am pretty sure it's literally impossible for me to respond fast enough otherwise

catching a legendary is bs in this game ngl

[carmine ravine]

Eh i get a little anxiety when anticipating for jt, but it was pretty easy

Maybe u struggling with imput lag

[deep parrot]

I do use a wireless mouse

but my keyboard is wired

[brazen lagoon]

Legendaries aren't very easy

[deep parrot]

but the keyboard isn't homemade and thus has crappy buttons

[brazen lagoon]

Even when I felt I pressed it quick enough it doesn't work

[carmine ravine]

And from what i remember its catch and good catch, getting legends is a good catch in a random chance yeah

[brazen lagoon]

And sometimes when it does it just doesn't catch a legendary

[carmine ravine]

So ye its not how fast u click it its rng

[deep parrot]

someone told me legendary is impossible without getting a faster catch

slower catch is either common or rare
faster catch has a chance at legendary

[carmine ravine]

As long as u dont get a normal catch u have a chance

[deep parrot]

I always get a normal catch

[brazen lagoon]

You do need to be very wucik to catch a legendary

[carmine ravine]

Oof

[deep parrot]

^^^

[brazen lagoon]

Like 0.31 seconds within the Bob going down

[carmine ravine]

Ye orobably input lag

[deep parrot]

or just low reaction speed

[carmine ravine]

U du- jk jk

[deep parrot]

...

[weak spruce]

if you make it to the 4th bob it's always that one

[brazen lagoon]

You could maybe search for mods that make fishing easier

[weak spruce]

so yea

[deep parrot]

that's not funny in any world just saying

[carmine ravine]

Oh come on

[deep parrot]

it isn't

[carmine ravine]

Fine then im sorry

[hollow hawk]

alpha having a bad day on discord today lol

from the things in #h1-story-discussion to this

[deep parrot]

I wasn't offended
it just isn't funny

[carmine ravine]

Alright fine jeez

[brazen lagoon]

Alpha do be beefing with everyone today

Just not your day huh

[carmine ravine]

Rolling through life is hard

[deep parrot]

imo anything that is more likely to make someone who is suicidal and on their last straw feel worse without the message contributing anything positive should just not be said

[carmine ravine]

I already had my worst year, but this isnt the place to talk about it

[brazen lagoon]

Depression sucks big time

It does get better tho

Keep your head up

[deep parrot]

I am very depressive but idc if some stranger says "ur dum"

the "soul mate" I mentioned previously is definitely helping a lot and might literally turn my life around lmao

[brazen lagoon]

Well that's good

[deep parrot]

not by faer actually helping, just faer existing and me knowing faer
cuz I love faer so much

sadly the initial high that is attraction has seemed to wear off
but still

[carmine ravine]

Sounds like infatuation

[deep parrot]

yeah that stage of attraction love

imagine if infatuation wasn't short lived

that'd be amazing

[carmine ravine]

Dats called obsession

[deep parrot]

but alas our brains literally ween us off of everything

[brazen lagoon]

Not healthy to be infatuated with someone for too long sadly

[carmine ravine]

I guess, its pretty hard to find that one perfect soul mate tho

[deep parrot]

impossible even, depending on how perfect they must be for you to define them as that

[carmine ravine]

I mean loving someone means accepting their flaws too, so i gues they will never be perfect after all

[deep parrot]

though there are things that can be generally accepted as flaws, but make someone more attractive to you

and then also flaws that you think are unimportant

[carmine ravine]

Fr fr yeah

[deep parrot]

and from that perspective perfection is more possible

from that perspective this person has 0 flaws imo

according to fae, fae can be very needy
but like
if both people in the relationship are is it even noticable by the other? :P

[carmine ravine]

I mean im not in a relationship or anything, but i guess its all based on trust on how much u trust the other person to share your whole life with them and their willingness to support you along the way

[deep parrot]

ye

[carmine ravine]

So even though they have very sketchy business or past, it wont rly break or make it

[deep parrot]

because from the perspective of being needy, someone that isn't fine with that is neglectful, while someone that is just as needy, or atleast is fine with supporting that neediness, is normal

wait I just noticed
literally all but 4 of Demeter's boons have 0 reqs

(excluding duos ofc)

WAIT THE STYX MAZE THING DOESN'T COUNT TO PIERCED BUTTERFLY?

I get why but still they're encounters and it says encounter

[carmine ravine]

I think you can get it if u finish the whole tunnel (3 + 1 rooms)

[deep parrot]

all without taking damage?

eee

[carmine ravine]

Ye, i rather get ||pom flower|| on styx

[deep parrot]

tbf I am upgrading all my trinkets rn

so I am using it just to get it to 3 stars

also to get dialogue apparently

nope the last room will give it even if you took damage in the earlier parts of the tunnel

long as that room you take no damage

[carmine ravine]

Huh thats nice

[brazen lagoon]

Yeah only big rooms count in styx

[vapid narwhal]

for butterfly and plume buff only the final room for each tunnel counts, however small rooms count for both pom blossom and chamber clear number for keepsake upgrades

[brazen lagoon]

Which is why pom blossom is the best

[deep parrot]

NOOOO
I just died on the last phase of hades with barely any of his hp left and it would have finished a lot of prophecy conditions from winning

can you get heroic from an infernal gate?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/819461337507168266/unknown.png

cmon why is that the only epic

useless

[dusky wedge]

I don’t think you can ever get heroics with Chaos boons

[rapid forum]

Farming is important my dude

[deep parrot]

infernal, not chaos, was the question

[dusky wedge]

Oh

I don’t think so either

Heroics can only be gotten if it was traded with another boon, or with Rare Crop

[rapid forum]

You can only get heroic from exchanging, eurydice, and rare crop

[deep parrot]

tfw you swap to bow after using sword for so long and you're like "wait spamming lmb isn't doing anything"

[dusky wedge]

Ah, right, Eurydice too

[dusky wedge]

Been there, mate lmao

[deep parrot]

rare crop is amazing

imagine if it did every boon like the explanation implies before it tells you the stat %'s

[brazen lagoon]

It's amazing until it hits all the bad boons

[rapid forum]

If it hits the one you want, it is

[deep parrot]

imagine if it hit every boon though

[brazen lagoon]

Don't even need to play the game at that point

[rapid forum]

Exclusive access goes brrrr

[deep parrot]

lmao

[brazen lagoon]

Imagine exclusive access but heroic

[deep parrot]

what is exclusive access?

[brazen lagoon]

All boons will be epic rarity

[dusky wedge]

Grandma Dem gonna be my favorite grandma

[rapid forum]

Boons now have epic rarity as minimum

[brazen lagoon]

All boons you get btw

Not your current ones

Getting exclusive access in tartarus is one of the best feelings

[rapid forum]

Until she decides to chill.... the entire planet

[deep parrot]

which god?

[rapid forum]

Poseidon + dio duo

[carmine ravine]

*pos dio

[deep parrot]

no

[rapid forum]

Oh

[deep parrot]

exclusive access is amazing geez

[dusky wedge]

“Decay!!!” Tbh dem sounds more like a true god of death ngl

[deep parrot]

imagine if that were heroic min lmao
that would be op

[brazen lagoon]

'FREEZE TO DEATH' is one of the hardest lines in any video game

[carmine ravine]

Its obvious if u got dem legend

[deep parrot]

or is it the coldest?

[brazen lagoon]

[deep parrot]

lmao

my gods why am I still starting each room spamming lmb
THIS IS BOW

eee

[brazen lagoon]

Muscle memory

[carmine ravine]

Dem got no chill

[deep parrot]

clearly that's false

[brazen lagoon]

Dem got that old lady temper

[carmine ravine]

[granite ether]

no, you can only get heroics from core boon Exchanges, Eurydice or the rare crop boon

so technically yes

[deep parrot]

already answered but thanks for the effort :P

[carmine ravine]

I guess u can do that with hidden bow

[deep parrot]

omg I am getting destroyed by the crystal miniboss with bow rn

...
tbh this is probably the only special that has any function on zag bow lmao

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/819464910140080158/unknown.png

[brazen lagoon]

I never use bow special on zag

Dash attacks only

[deep parrot]

exactly

but it can deflect if I combine it with athena special

[restive cave]

what boons will make Rocket Bomb hit the hardest?

[deep parrot]

probably nothing special; just aphro's special I would imagine and any chaos specials

[brazen lagoon]

Aphro and arte are safe choices

[deep parrot]

oo yeah arte too

[carmine ravine]

Dont foget to aim for cluster for rocket shotgun

[brazen lagoon]

Cluster rockets with arte 😩 😩

[deep parrot]

oh lmao it's 1:13 am

and I have an alarm set for 5 min before my "soul mate's" alarm is set, at 5:30 am
just so I can say good morning before faer

I should sleep

or turn off that alarm

or just don't sleep

[manic moat]

[deep parrot]

I think I'll sleep lol

[brazen lagoon]

Sleep is important

Don't skimp on it

[deep parrot]

gn y'all see y'all in probably a week lmao
not cuz I'm playing other games
because I am constantly talking to faer and have played 10% the amount of videogames that I usually play each day

[brazen lagoon]

See ya

[deep parrot]

though
I just gave faer my gift copy of DST
and we're prolly gonna play that
but aside from that not other games :P

again, gn!

[brazen lagoon]

[wild solar]

got the companion from Meg :D

unlocked Artemis' last heart

what she said was legitimately cool (to unlock the locked heart)

unlocked Eurydice's last heart as well

y'all know I mean that I haven't gotten the heart, just progressed their story far enough to unchain the locked hearts right

i feel like im explaining myself poorly

but anyways

lots of story progress

gameplay progress
none lmao

oh! I unlocked Vanquisher's Keep, that's something

ehehe, sorry. i'm rambling

had to restart steam in online mode
good thing the game saves every chamber

gonna unlock Artemis' last heart and then call it a night

[hasty owl]

vanquishers keep is so helpful for the gem grind

which i’m currently on

bc the house contractor is stingy as hell

and i need me all the cosmetic items 😤

[hollow hawk]

i have a plan when i get all the cosmetic items

i will remove all of them

and then experience the house in vanilla

minimalism bois

[manic moat]

hell yea

I'm just not getting any cosmetics

[carmine ravine]

Isnt minimalism is all about only keeping things that have sentimental value to you

[hollow hawk]

nothing has sentimental value to me except for the bare bones of the house

checkmate 🤠

[carmine ravine]

Yes no bed for cerby😔

[dusky wedge]

Is there a way to get Personal Liability without making a new save file?

[brazen lagoon]

Don't think so

[dusky wedge]

I see

[wild solar]

I forged a bond with Artemis!

[ionic trail]

whats that?

[brazen lagoon]

[dusky wedge]

Something from Hell Mode

[wild solar]

:D

fun fact tho
don't charm em3 theseus or he'll stop running in circles around the arena and mess everything up

(Also, the first Olympian I forged a bond with)

Bond List (in the order that I want to do them)™️:
Eurydice
Meg
Chaos
Nyx
Dusa
Achilles
Orpheus
Aphrodite
Demeter
Dionysus
Everyone else

I was so adamant about forging a bond with Artemis tonight that I ran Aegis at 1 heat to get the second diamond from Asphodel at 2:30am

[rapid forum]

Speaking of charming Theseus

I had a fun accidental moment

Zag: charm theseus
Theseus: "hehehe"
Zag: "oh, gods"

[wild solar]

"i've been smitten!"

night peeps

had a good session

[manic moat]

I haven't forged any bonds other than meg and dad

[hasty owl]

i did charon first lol

bc he just kept showing up

[runic parrot]

this

charon is my bro

he's always there to extort some obols from my dead body

[hollow hawk]

charon is such a marketing genius its insane

he gives you a loyalty card and 300 gold when you fight him, hence making you want to buy things from his shop even more

[cerulean ferry]

That's why we love him

[hollow hawk]

he ||hired skelly so you can train||, hence making you want to escape and buy stuff from him

[brazen lagoon]

Ruthless businessman

[hollow hawk]

he puts a wager with his coworker hermes, to beat him twice, hence making you fight him twice and repeat the loyalty card thing

[distant quiver]

Everyone seems to say that Poseidon has the best call... but Athena's is really starting to grow on me. It just lasts so much longer...

[hollow hawk]

athena call is amazing for defense

poseidon call is like a middle ground between decent defense and decent dmg

also, poseidon call has rip current, a boon from poseidon which makes it last longer and pull foes in

[distant quiver]

true

[hollow hawk]

iirc you can pom rip current to make it last longer

[manic moat]

I hate poseidon call

possibly coz I'm on keyboard and it feels clunky

[distant quiver]

poseidon call would suck with a keyboard

with a joystick it's pretty great

[tender fjord]

can confirm : Poseidon Call is very painful to use on keyboard

you gotta go ultra instinct on the wasd coz theres no stopping

[manic moat]

yup

[hollow hawk]

i still use his call on keyboard, on high heat atleast

[manic moat]

you're a god then

[hollow hawk]

because i want other things from athena like her dash and DDs