aspect of chaos or aspect of zeus?
#h1-discussion
half zephyr
It’s pinball vs beyblade
deep parrot
do infernal gates get harder the further in the game you get? Or always equally hard?
IK that you must take 0 damage during the encounter to get the reward
nvm it clearly is easier early in the game
and damn, +50 hp is amazing
leaden shore
I like zeus for shield
karmic trellis
how do you get cthonic companions?
half zephyr
Story~
Unlocking certain hearts~
tender lynx
how do i get to the end story
i already have 57 runs completed and i read at wiki i need one character to initiate a meeting
but nothing new while i talk each time
winter harbor
just RNG, I suppose
tender lynx
are there more prohpecies for the statues of skelly
winter harbor
No, only the first prize has a prophecy associated with it
tender lynx
i just did my first 32 run yesterday and then went to bottom right and found them one by one ...like i think i missed something in my playthrought
i thought its a house decor ... imagine my schok after examing...ok good to know
anyone know tactics for poseidon aspect sword?
i play wtih m&k
half zephyr
i already have 57 runs completed and i read at wiki i need one character to init...
Do you have enough hearts from the olympians?
Need 6 Olympians I think
tender lynx
wait a bit
tender lynx
i cant post pictures here i guess
deep parrot
the issue is that it didn't cost me like 50 gold or whatever
this whole room is completely empty
deep parrot
i cant post pictures here i guess
post the link, not the image
deep parrot
right click the image
copy link
if there is no link, post it in a different discord, then right click it there, and paste the link here
narrow hemlock
host your image elsewhere and link it here
tender lynx
it doesnt work
narrow hemlock
need to copy link on the image itself, not the message
tender lynx
@deep parrot have i fulfilled criteria
deep parrot
yes, you posted images lol
tender lynx
well for end quest i mean
hollow kettle
I got Zag to play a snippet of From Olympus on the lyre
winter harbor
Fan of Percy Jackson?
hollow kettle
Yeah lmao
half zephyr
well for end quest i mean
Looks like it - just rng at this point
grand crystal
if i take off hades keepsake do i lose the buff?
yep, you lose the buff
short geyser
can a blue luaral room be reroll into a gold one?
brisk trail
No.
hasty owl
fated persuasion superiority gang
runic parrot
average olympian favor-fated authority fan vs average dark foresight-fated persuasion enjoyer
simple tulip
for my controller binds i have shoot on r2/rt, dash on l2/lt, special on l1/lb and cast on rb/r1
is this viable?
simple tulip
ok but does anyone else do that
i prefer having important controls on fingers rather than thumbs
easier to press
untold geyser
What sort of things should one be doing after completing the game for the first time?
What sidequests (that can be done early) bring the best rewards?
or is it all a slow grind?
grand crystal
by first time do you mean your first run or you beat the main story
untold geyser
Beat main story some 4 times
need to get good boons to win consistently rn
already cleared it with three weapons (sword/shield/gun)
want to get strong efficiently
the resources online don't make it apparent what to do next
earning 1 TB at a time might not be the most efficient way
grand crystal
my tip would just be try to win another 6 times to get an ending then just screw around tbh. a lot of your blood comes from pact, and so youll only be getting that once you can consistently win. Take the prophecy choices whenever you can and when it wont mess up the run
simple tulip
is there a point in taking the hammer upgrade (rail) of auto aim bullets if you are playing on controller?
grand crystal
is there a point in taking the hammer upgrade (rail) of auto aim bullets if you ...
the bullets get increased range if im right
untold geyser
three collumns?
grand crystal
https://hades.gamepedia.com/Fated_List_of_Minor_Prophecies
a lot of these arent even applicable to you
untold geyser
why is the completion requirement empty a lot of the time?
grand crystal
assuming youre only at 4 clears
simple tulip
the bullets get increased range if im right
it doesn't say that
untold geyser
why are they not?
grand crystal
why are they not?
since youre at 4 clears and a lot of the games progression is via gettingthe base ending
how many attempts are you on??
untold geyser
since youre at 4 clears and a lot of the games progression is via gettingthe bas...
which is winning with each weapon?
grand crystal
and what prophecies are you specifically confused about??
untold geyser
I just want to get a lot of TB and gems fast
grand crystal
which is winning with each weapon?
getting the base ending is winning 10 runs
untold geyser
okay then I'm getting there
grand crystal
I just want to get a lot of TB and gems fast
for TB just play the game tbh, and trade ambro off if you havent found a use for it yet
grand crystal
it doesn't say that
it does tho, since ive used it before
untold geyser
might wanna reset my mirror to get the awards for the boons I haven't used yet
grand crystal
and tbh gems dont matter unless you really want the cosmetics
if youre darkness grinding do posiedon runs and take chaos often
half zephyr
Unless he wants to buy blood
grand crystal
^^thats a rare occurrence tho
simple tulip
it does tho, since ive used it before
dms
untold geyser
I want to buy the contractor stuff
like all the extra goodies you can get
need 10+ gems to buy the rest
that's a lot of runs if you're doing it the grindy way
half zephyr
Most of the contractor stuff is cosmetic
Only page 1 that’s not
Until suddenly it is too 
half zephyr
need 10+ gems to buy the rest
Do you mean gems or diamonds, cuz 10+ gems is easy enough to get
untold geyser
the ones you get from hydra
untold geyser
oh whoops
half zephyr
Gems are the red/green/some other colour pretty stones you pick up every now & then
They’re only really used to buy cosmetics & keys (with some odd rare deals at the broker)
For diamonds you should try to do every weapon once & then just go up heat by heat
untold geyser
there are prophecies that grant a lot of that stuff
untold geyser
I thought there was a shortcut instead of the old "just go and grind"
half zephyr
Using all mirror upgrades gives you 8 blood I think
untold geyser
Hades is fun to play over and over, but I'm kinda used to playing intelligently
gentle venture
The easiest heat modifier to deal with in my opinion is 400% trap damage, if you beat a run like that once with each weapon that’s 5 diamonds
grand crystal
The easiest heat modifier to deal with in my opinion is 400% trap damage, if you...
noononononon hs is not good
now td
td is easy as hell
runic parrot
hs is a noob trap
half zephyr
I thought there was a shortcut instead of the old "just go and grind"
Don’t just think of it as “going to grind”
Think of it as “enjoying the gameplay”
runic parrot
it sounds easy on paper but it's very hard
grand crystal
hs makes the arrow trap in elysium deal 100 damage
runic parrot
^
runic parrot
pretty much an instakill if you arent careful with health management
half zephyr
The easiest heat modifier to deal with in my opinion is 400% trap damage, if you...
Wouldn’t it be 6 since there’s 6 weapons?
untold geyser
is cursed slash a good idea?
runic parrot
if youre consistently going below 28 mins, td2 is a good thing
grand crystal
ri1 is fine low heat ngl
runic parrot
ri1 
half zephyr
is cursed slash a good idea?
Depends, I love it, but I like to have some health already if I use it
untold geyser
I failed when I chose that; won when I didn't have it
gentle venture
i use athena’s trap damage resist boon
runic parrot
an early cursed slash isnt sucha good idea
half zephyr
Late cursed is nice
untold geyser
also, is it okay I beat Hades with Cosmic Egg prior to unlocking the prophecy?
or will I have to do it again later?
half zephyr
I have no idea
untold geyser
it unlocks a quest apparently (hasn't for me)
grand crystal
i use athena’s trap damage resist boon
lol yea that works, i just dont have it on unless its 32 heat
half zephyr
I didn’t even know it was a thing until chaos requested it
grand crystal
also, is it okay I beat Hades with Cosmic Egg prior to unlocking the prophecy?
yea it should be fine since you can do hermes and ares ones before you actually get the prompt
wait
half zephyr
I haven’t looked at a list of all prophecies
grand crystal
no
scratch that
since you need the posiedon one active to be able to do it
so wait for the chaos one
half zephyr
Theseus!!!!
grand crystal
solid rule of thumb is to just do the ones you have
dont worry about it if you dont have it on the list
half zephyr
Just play the game & you’ll naturally unlock prophecies
grand crystal
^^
untold geyser
it would help to know what unlocks each one
grand crystal
time
gentle venture
is there a way to force meg to come “collect her belongings” from my room
half zephyr
Time, story, dialogue & rng
grand crystal
is there a way to force meg to come “collect her belongings” from my room
no??
half zephyr
is there a way to force meg to come “collect her belongings” from my room
Time, story, dialogue & rng
grand crystal
i think its a chance after relationship is so high
half zephyr
It’s the way of the genre isn’t it
grand crystal
since like there are times where i get what i need right off the bat but other times it takes soooo long
gentle venture
Yeah but the rng makes it so hard to progress storylines
half zephyr
Yeah but the rng makes it so hard to progress storylines
You just keep talking to her
grand crystal
i actually feel the progression
gentle venture
Like when you need to give a character ambrosia but they’re talking to someone else every time when you go to the house
half zephyr
She has to learn the new you
grand crystal
tbh its just time tho
half zephyr
Like when you need to give a character ambrosia but they’re talking to someone e...
Some of that I think was about me once.. Meg was having a very sus convo w nyx
And then another time w dusa!
For shame
grand crystal
i feel like the one issue with people getting into hades is that most havent played another rogue like and think itll be like 5 minutes and you have eberything
half zephyr
Talking about me behind my back 
grand crystal
but its a lot of time and dedication
gentle venture
I just dont like that characters talking to each other makes them useless towards Zagreus
half zephyr
i feel like the one issue with people getting into hades is that most havent pla...
Isaac
Hades is so easy
So kind
gentle venture
Like why cant zag just talk to them individually when they finish
grand crystal
Like why cant zag just talk to them individually when they finish
design reasons idk
half zephyr
Like why cant zag just talk to them individually when they finish
Cuz he’s been peeking on them & listening in on their convos
And he’s a bit guilty
He can’t quite look them in the eye yet
That’s my story at least
grand crystal
yea to me its cuz the devs felt like it
half zephyr
I wanna have an in game reason
gentle venture
Yeah i feel like honestly in universe reasons are more important for some BS in video games
keyword SOME
half zephyr
I still wanna know what beetle killed me that one time!
grand crystal
I still wanna know what beetle killed me that one time!
lol
carmine ravine
what beetle
grand crystal
look up poisonous greek beetles or smth shadow
half zephyr
All hail the almighty beetle - stronger then even the god of the dead
I guess it’s just a throwaway thing to reference how beetle secretions were used in assassination attempts
Or for execution by the ancient Greeks
“Throughout history, Cantharidin, the odorless terpenoid the beetle secretes, has been prized as an aphrodisiac, a healing salve and a poison used by ancient Greeks for executions as well as by assassins in the modern era.”
So I guess it was maybe a blister beetle
But still!!
grand crystal
“Throughout history, Cantharidin, the odorless terpenoid the beetle secretes, ha...
or zag is allergic
half zephyr
Such a lame death
half zephyr
or zag is allergic
No, that was another death
gentle venture
Another weird one-
If no fighting is allowed in the house
And the weapons only materialize when Zagreus uses them
How can members of the house see what weapons i have equipped
half zephyr
It specifically mentioned allergies
gentle venture
wait wait, where did you die to a beetle?
half zephyr
Another weird one-
If no fighting is allowed in the house
And the weapons only m...
Maybe they sense them
You use evil old weapons that have a will of their own
I’m sure they have a distinct presence about them
half zephyr
wait wait, where did you die to a beetle?
You’ll find out one day
grand crystal
Another weird one-
If no fighting is allowed in the house
And the weapons only m...
they dont??
theres no dialogue of "man zag you really got the twin fists of malphon??"
its always zag being like "hey i got the twin fists of malphon, how about that?"
dapper mango
you blgrdz
grand crystal
hollow kettle
Mannn, the game finally ran out of Thanatos dialogue to give me 😔
He was one of the last ones
calm eagle
I never wanna run out of dialogue 
grand crystal
Mannn, the game finally ran out of Thanatos dialogue to give me 😔
i thought i ran out of lines like 30 runs ago but hes been giving me more :3
grand crystal
I never wanna run out of dialogue <:shadegrief:520448187358642194>
stuff has been repeating for me for many runs
calm eagle
ah ok
simple tulip
day 1 of switching to controller and i finally beat hades
i'm so glad i made the switch
hollow kettle
I completed my last prophecy
I finally got Charged Flight for Aegis
Hey in the mirror on the description for Dark Foresight, what does the green symbol mean
unborn ermine
God boons
hollow kettle
Ohhh
simple tulip
which is easiest condition in pact of punishment? i'm about to do my first run with pact
unborn ermine
I'd say the time limit
hollow kettle
I’d say Forced Overtime, it actually makes things go faster because enemies spawn faster
hollow kettle
ok. there is no point doing a run without the pact right?
Well it’s good for grinding darkness
simple tulip
I’d say Forced Overtime, it actually makes things go faster because enemies spaw...
it's +3
i have enough darkness lol
unborn ermine
FO messes up your dodging if you're starting out with the pact
simple tulip
my only goal now is to unlock everything and get stronger
unborn ermine
The time limit is much easier since your run is probably not going to be more than 36 minutes long
simple tulip
yeah, my run was 31 mins long even with terrible rng
like i had 1 olympian boon by the time i reached asphodel
which was zeus attack so tbf that's the main boon i needed for eris run
hollow kettle
I’m gonna see if I can beat Hades with no boons, I’ve got my Shattered Shackle and my trusty Zag aspect of Coronacht
unborn ermine
Actually, the easiest pact is definitely Heightened Security
hollow kettle
Yeah I was gonna say that but apparently other people think it’s hard
unborn ermine
It definitely won't kill you in Asphodel
hollow kettle
But if you’ve got no other heat then it’s definitely the easiest
Just avoid the traps lol
unborn ermine
Also final boss will one shot you
simple tulip
would lava count as traps?
unborn ermine
Yes
So do the pots
Also it'll make taking a certain other heat level much harder
hollow kettle
Oh I guess hs probably isn’t as bad with god mode
simple tulip
god mode?
simple tulip
dude that's op lol
hollow kettle
Does the game just like not tell you about it if you don’t do as badly as I did lmao
simple tulip
i think godmode is too strong if that's the case
unborn ermine
Eh, people have different skill levels
south yarrow
I'm gonna chime in with my opinion that the easiest is either jury duty or the bonus hp one
unborn ermine
It's always a good idea to add an easier mode so more people can play your game
south yarrow
I found i dont need to change my play style much for those
simple tulip
i chose the time limit one
unborn ermine
I'm gonna chime in with my opinion that the easiest is either jury duty or the b...
Yeah those pacts only really start to add up at higher heat
simple tulip
judging from the fact my run earlier was 31 min long and i thought i was very slow
hollow kettle
I’ve been playing on my new save for a while and haven’t gotten the dialogue where Skelly tells me about it yet, I’ve been doing a lot better than I did at first and haven’t needed to turn it on yet anyway
south yarrow
First clear for me was 37 minutes haha
hollow kettle
Lasting Consequences suuuuucks
unborn ermine
Just don't get hit
olive wind
zeus shield be like https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807047989683683328/81...
as someone who uses the zeus shield often. yeah
narrow hemlock
i think godmode is too strong if that's the case
its not. you're welcome to try 18+ heat with max god mode and see how strong you think it is. just having high damage reduction is not enough for anything past low heat
unborn ermine
I've been meaning to do a max lasting consequences+Stubborn defiance run someday
south yarrow
Which is lasting consequences again?
hollow kettle
Healing stuff heals you less
unborn ermine
-25% healing per rank
south yarrow
Oof
unborn ermine
Maximum means you can't heal
simple tulip
its not. you're welcome to try 18+ heat with max god mode and see how strong you...
do you start off with the 80% damage reduction or is it 80% damage reduction at last stack?
hollow kettle
I think centaur hearts give you less hp too
narrow hemlock
it starts at 20% and increases 2% each death
south yarrow
Big oof
unborn ermine
I think centaur hearts give you less hp too
They still give you 25
hollow kettle
It nerfs Strong Drink which sucks
unborn ermine
It's one of the few ways you can keep your hp up other than defiances
wild solar
Yay! I forged a bond with the bestest boy
wild solar
The bestest dog boy
unborn ermine
Did you pet him enough?
grand crystal
You can never pet Cerberus enough
yes you can
wild solar
More pets.
grand crystal
the animation is so long
unborn ermine
You can never pet Cerberus enough
That's the correct answer
grand crystal
and you only pet one head
wild solar
the animation is so long
so
grand crystal
honestly i was so bored of it after the 5th pet that i stopped
narrow hemlock
yeah i was gonna say i dont really pet anymore after finishing bond because i dont care to sit through the animation rofl
grand crystal
and it took me forever to forge the bond
wild solar
Not my fault
south yarrow
Smh to tartarus with plum
wild solar
Y'all weak
narrow hemlock
i dont really get the internet's obsession with petting dogs
wild solar
i dont really get the internet's obsession with petting dogs
Not just dogs
Petting animals is so relaxing imo
humble lotus
So is there actualy a bond list with bouldy or am i good now that i have maxed out sisyphus
grand crystal
So is there actualy a bond list with bouldy or am i good now that i have maxed o...
i mean theres no reason not to give bouldy nectar
narrow hemlock
theres no bond with bouldy, all you get is random buffs
humble lotus
i mean theres no reason not to give bouldy nectar
Yes there is
wild solar
Bouldy believes in you
wild solar
You need the theme
Theme as in music...?
humble lotus
I need nectar to get more diamonds to get more ambrosia
narrow hemlock
Theme as in music...?
ui change
humble lotus
To actualy progress
simple tulip
guys does blood frenzy stack?
wild solar
progress 😪
simple tulip
upon death defiances
unborn ermine
To actualy progress
You get a ton of ambrosia from bounties and prophecies
wild solar
Who needs progress when you can do cool stuff
grand crystal
guys does blood frenzy stack?
i dont think so
humble lotus
The isssue is most ot the profesies are either done or requiring a tonne more work
half zephyr
The prophecies are in part there to keep you playing
humble lotus
I still havent gotten 10 escapes
half zephyr
Then you shouldn’t be here unless you don’t care about spoilers
grand crystal
I still havent gotten 10 escapes
and those bouldy buffs can help :3
half zephyr
The spoiler free channel is the one called hades for new players
And it’s not like you have to complete the prophecies
I only have 4 left now I think & I don’t look forward to doing them >.<
unborn ermine
I'm one nectar from getting the woodlands theme and then I can finally give nectar to Bouldy again
grand crystal
I only have 4 left now I think & I don’t look forward to doing them >.<
i have 1 left and its a single hammer upgrade :3
unborn ermine
I've got one left and it's Touch of Styx
half zephyr
i have 1 left and its a single hammer upgrade :3
Hidden Aspects for me
half zephyr
I've got one left and it's Touch of Styx
Time for stubborn defiance!
vapid narwhal
Touch of Styx is Stubborn Defiance exclusive
half zephyr
I just do stubborn for fun
I also do lasting consequences for fun tho
But only rank 1 so far
grand crystal
hehe i do lc since i have to 😎
half zephyr
Well, I’m gonna go pass out for a bit now
It’s 5:20 am, but I finally completed a game I wanted to do so I’m happy!
Tomorrow I can jump back into hades & try my hand at heat 11
Well, today I guess
Later
Time gets confusing when you stay up all night
grand crystal
It’s 5:20 am, but I finally completed a game I wanted to do so I’m happy!
Tomor...
0-0
go to sleep
dusky wedge
Go get sleep
half zephyr
wild solar
OH HECC
trail plover
Where does the dark thirst buff come from again? Is it from the renovators? 🤔
wild solar
NYX SAID SILENCE.
grand crystal
NYX SAID SILENCE.
dark thirst is normal, darker thirst is from the contractor i believe
wait
my b
wrong message
wild solar
dw
trail plover
hahaha, thank you. ^^
wild solar
But ye Darker Thirst is from contractor
Dark Thirst is normal
Dw my dude it happens all the time
I don't mind at all
dusky wedge
Oh hey, cultist simulator pfp
grand crystal
I don't mind at all
:3
trail plover
Thanks guys. ^^
wild solar
Oh hey, cultist simulator pfp
Oh hey you're the second person here who has noticed
In the span of 24 hours, no less
Nice to meet your acquaintance
nyx scared me
she said Silence. Do not tempt my daughters thus.
Like damn
Sometimes you gotta remember she is a primordial being
Spawned directly from Chaos itself
grand crystal
she said Silence. Do not tempt my daughters thus.
heheheh, 13yr brain is goin
dusky wedge
Nyx is like, nah, she looks fine, but I still afraid of her
dusky wedge
I got that Silence! dialogue as well and I was legit scared
wild solar
I was slightly terrified
grand crystal
I got that Silence! dialogue as well and I was legit scared
i was like "what are you gonna do, ground me??"
wild solar
The dialogue between characters is humanizing, so sometimes you gotta remember they're goddesses
gods as well
unborn ermine
i was like "what are you gonna do, *ground me*??"
She could always stop helping you
dusky wedge
Chaos as well, tbh. I’m surprised someone like Chaos isn’t a bad guy, he’s only so mysterious, you keep wondering if he’s giving a blessing or an actual curse
grand crystal
both lol
wild solar
Chaos wants amusement
You provide that for him
Along with a little bit of companionship
Not him, them
I love their voice btw
It's eerily nice
dusky wedge
^ this, man
dusky wedge
The fact that they addresses themselves as “they” is scary lol
wild solar
Also I love the Chaos version of Aegis because Chaos occasionally speaks
hollow kettle
The fact that they addresses themselves as “they” is scary lol
Bruh
wild solar
Ruination
hollow kettle
What’s scary about they/them pronouns
wild solar
The first time I heard it it scared me
unborn ermine
Chaos commentary on Chaos Shield is always fun
narrow hemlock
The fact that they addresses themselves as “they” is scary lol
that's not the joke you think it is
runic parrot
The fact that they addresses themselves as “they” is scary lol
non binary people on life support
it's just they/them pronouns, they dont even address themselves as "we" or something
wild solar
Did anyone else get scared the first time Chaos spoke through the shield?
runic parrot
yeah
wild solar
I was like 
grand crystal
Did anyone else get scared the first time Chaos spoke through the shield?
he hasnt for me yet :/
unborn ermine
It was cool, wdym
runic parrot
i mean, it made sense but like, woah dude.
grand crystal
but then again ive used it like twice
dusky wedge
I meant it as they don’t call themselves as “I”, which means all those other faces on its body, is probably different consciousness
south yarrow
Did anyone else get scared the first time Chaos spoke through the shield?
I love that tbh
runic parrot
doesn't chaos say i though
wild solar
I love this game
south yarrow
First time it spooked me but i've grown to love it
hollow kettle
doesn't chaos say i though
I mean I’m pretty sure they do
dusky wedge
doesn't chaos say i though
Sometimes, sometimes not
unborn ermine
That's also one of their eyes on the shield
runic parrot
👁️
dusky wedge
Or Nyx said “they”
hollow kettle
They say me, like when a gate opens sometimes they say “come to me” and stuff
wild solar
OHOH
grand crystal
Or Nyx said “they”
i mean its kinda hard to gender a creation god of the world itself
wild solar
I remember one time when Chaos said through the shield "Come take a little detour. Now."
Or something like that
runic parrot
itd be funny if one of the souls on their bodies suddenly flopped out into existence when zag is there
runic parrot
that's how nyx came to be too right haha
hollow kettle
Yeah they’re referred to with they/them pronouns because they’re genderless
Like Nyx said, they are both her mother and her father
dusky wedge
i mean its kinda hard to gender a creation god of the world itself
Huh, yeah, that could be it
grand crystal
Like Nyx said, they are both her mother and her father
like nemo's dad
wild solar
Oh I did have a question
Does Orpheus actually believe the tall tales that Zag is telling him or is it some elaborate prank that he is pulling on Zag
I honestly cannot tell
runic parrot
i saw a headcanon on a youtube video that i kinda believe
grand crystal
Huh, yeah, that could be it
i also like the logic of they are primordial chaos, they existed before gender
unborn ermine
It's up to your interpretation
grand crystal
Oh I did have a question
Does Orpheus actually believe the tall tales that Zag ...
neither can i ;w;
wild solar
I'm leaning towards elaborate prank
runic parrot
it was something along the lines of "orpheus was so distraught over the whole eurydice thing that he can't not trust the chthonic gods anymore"
hollow kettle
Oh I did have a question
Does Orpheus actually believe the tall tales that Zag ...
Idk but I get really strong secondhand embarrassment every time he sings the Zagreus song lmao
grand crystal
but orphy is such a gullible baby
wild solar
Idk but I get really strong secondhand embarrassment every time he sings the Zag...
omg same
unborn ermine
I think he actually did believe it at first but he keeps it up as a bit
wild solar
I'm like hhhhh and I talk to everyone as fast as possible while hbearing the lines and go zoom out of there
Like 
runic parrot
the way he says "why zagreus, that is the most splendorous tale indeed" makes me think he's just pushing zag around haha
hollow kettle
You can change the music if you get the music stand
wild solar
I do have it
dusky wedge
At some point in the game, ||Hades remarks the song Orpheus sang about Zag and Zag replies with all the tall and wacky tales depicted in the song, and Hades replies that Zag brings it upon to himself with all the pranks he made with Orpheus||
wild solar
I just don't have everything unlocked gameplay wise
grand crystal
I'm like hhhhh and I talk to everyone as fast as possible while hbearing the lin...
i find the song more annoying tbh
wild solar
I'm doing that before I spend my diamonds on music
That's what I meant lol
Oh
Nvm
I misread
unborn ermine
Just remember, Orpheus started a religion around all the stuff Zag told him
hollow kettle
Oh yeah lmao
wild solar
'i'm only going to do one run' he said
'i need to do other things' he said
guess who is doing a second run
wild solar
Just remember, Orpheus started a religion around all the stuff Zag told him
And isn't the story Zag told him about him and Dionysus in actual myth?
unborn ermine
In one version
grand crystal
And isn't the story Zag told him about him and Dionysus in actual myth?
less actual myth and more so the fact that there was little to no differentiation in the texts
so it has to be assumed
like less "they are the same person" and more "we have to assume" yk??
if that makees any sense
dusky wedge
Yep, and the game interprets it as Zag pulling crazy stories, which accidentally gets popular with the songs sang by Orpheus, which we modern people think it’s true lmao
wild solar
jk not doing a run
tired
im like 'i wanna do this'
and my brain goes 'no u cant'
and i go 
grand crystal
thats whne i go "too bad brain" and die
wild solar
i cant tho
i gotta take my meds so i can get good sleep™️
for work tomorrow
but that's a discussion for #off-topic-discussion
humble lotus
I just almost escaped but then died when hades had barely a sliver of health left
simple tulip
at what level is hestia aspect equal or better than eris?
runic parrot
you really cant compare them directly lol
hestia is good for single damage output and eris is good for general dps
simple tulip
uh ok. what level is hestia viable then?
simple tulip
i have both at level 3
runic parrot
might want to wait for another's opinion
simple tulip
eris and hestia
hollow kettle
Guys I’ve managed to get over 500 health
south yarrow
A dozen centaurs found dead in a ditch
simple tulip
with chests split open
hollow kettle
Hades talks such a big game about how I’d never be able to accomplish anything without Olympus’ help but on my no-boons run I killed him before he was able to get me below a hundred hp
How does it feel, old man
I didn’t even summon Achilles and Patroclus, I could have, I just wanted to really make it all me
simple tulip
i always opt for supportfire when going zeus attack eris aspect, is supportfire viable on art attack hestia?
hollow hawk
no
support fire is bad on hestia
you want other arty boons like clean kill, hunter's mark etc
calls also dont really work on hestia unless you have proud bearing or aether nets (15-30% god pool is charged when you enter a chamber)
hollow kettle
I hate when it gives me trials where I have to choose between Artemis and Dionysus 😔
simple tulip
you want other arty boons like clean kill, hunter's mark etc
i already had both :D
so i got supportfire
dusky scaffold
im getting turbo burnt out
hollow kettle
And I don’t want to hurt either of their feelings ;-;
simple tulip
i just don't like choosing something over zeus man his thunder attacks are so annoying
vapid narwhal
they dont mind
hollow kettle
Yeahhh I know they don’t hold grudges but still I feel bad
simple tulip
will hades ever get a dlc btw?
dusky wedge
I have never seen a Supergiant game that has DLCs
dusky wedge
They almost always consider their games mostly done the day they release
vapid narwhal
they never did anything post launch after that
so consider Hades a done deal and they are going to do something completely new in the next few years
dusky scaffold
well at least i made it to the surface
dusky wedge
What are good weapons for boon-less runs?
simple tulip
They almost always consider their games mostly done the day they release
aww damn. At least hades has so much replay potentional different to other independant games
dusky scaffold
also i got the nemisis aspect to lvl 3 should i keep pumping my blood in 1 or like get all of them unlocked first
dusky scaffold
ya i saw a vid on thos
dusky wedge
Yeah, focus on unlocking every hidden aspects first
hollow kettle
What are good weapons for boon-less runs?
Zag bow
dusky scaffold
i was sorta confused on what it ment by that
hollow kettle
That’s what I just used
dusky wedge
Then just do whatever you like with your bloods
hollow kettle
The critical damage does wonders when you can’t have any attack boons
dusky scaffold
what dose it mean by non zag wepons
hollow kettle
Aspects other than Zagreus
dusky scaffold
oh i get it so jsut unlock 5 aspects then go back to pumping it all in 1? or should i keep going till i get them all unlocked
dusky wedge
Tbh, you can do whatever you like, you don’t even need to unlock all the weapons until later and still have progress
hollow kettle
Dang, I almost beat Hades on my 28th escape attempt on my fresh save 😔
dusky scaffold
ok cool and are the sweet abrostas or whatever the big bottles of whatever you get from the thrid boss for anything important? because i traded one for a titan blood so i could lvl my sword to lvl 3 hopping maybe the extra dps will help
dusky wedge
But the hidden aspects have several prophecies related to them, that’s about all the good reasons to unlock them as fast as you can
dusky wedge
ok cool and are the sweet abrostas or whatever the big bottles of whatever you g...
Those are used to give to characters
dusky scaffold
@dusky wedge i thought that was what the necter was for oh wait are those for like to max out the relastionship?
dusky wedge
Save a few of them, but don’t feel obligated to just keeping them on the shelf forever
dusky wedge
<@!220174470608977921> i thought that was what the necter was for oh wait are th...
You’ll know when you get there
hollow kettle
I think the damage Hazard Bomb deals might be worth the risk
hollow kettle
I powered through Elysium, Styx, and Hades’ first health bar all with only one death defiance with that
runic parrot
hazard bomb eris
hollow kettle
That was the first time I’ve seen damage in the upper hundreds with an aspect that isn’t even leveled that much
warped iron
hundreds isn't big
hollow kettle
I mean upper hundreds as in like 600
hollow hawk
wait till you get cluster rockets and see like 2k dmg consistently with shotgunning your special
hollow kettle
What
hollow hawk
and then still dont get a sub 9 because amir decided to give you terrible sack rng
hollow kettle
How do you do 2000 what
hollow hawk
arty special, with cluster bomb and rocket bomb hammers
on eris
arty or aphro, really
shotgunning special=standing really close to enemies and blowing your special in their face
runic parrot
2000 is also reachable with crits on arthur
but its not as reliable as eris
or hestia, rather
runic parrot
i thought rama was obvious
so i didnt mention it
also i dont usually use rama so i wasnt sure
simple tulip
is middle management a hard condition? i'm deciding what to do on a 2 heat run
dusky wedge
First few times maybe hard, once you get the hang of it, it’s going to feel normal
viscid fern
arthur kinda wins on single target dps anyways cause it has a combo and can more easily backstab
i had a backstab build with it that absolutely melted
+30% attack speed, backstab hammer, two backstab chaos boons, athena exposed
hades sufferred instantaneous death
dusky wedge
Does attack speed also shortens the pause or it actually only makes the attack animation faster?
viscid fern
perception isn't perfect but the final swipe felt significantly faster
hollow hawk
is middle management a hard condition? i'm deciding what to do on a 2 heat run
do you have companions unlocked?
do you know how to use them?
simple tulip
uh no
hollow hawk
ah
simple tulip
i don't have them but i know about them
hollow hawk
what heat are you pushing
simple tulip
ah
simple tulip
em1
hollow hawk
what is your average clear time
simple tulip
?
hollow hawk
extreme measures
hollow hawk
td1 is tight deadline
simple tulip
yeah i took td for my heat 1 run
simple tulip
what is the max heat?
hollow hawk
tbh at 2 heat it doesnt matter what pacts you choose really
63
64 with hell mode i think
the max heat that anyone has done is 60 heat
simple tulip
extreme measures
dude from what i read in pact it sounds broken
hollow hawk
done by tailesque, on hidden bow
simple tulip
like each boss gets a new move
hollow hawk
not each boss
with em1, its only meg
with em2, its lernie
with em3, its heroes
and so on
simple tulip
the max heat that anyone has done is 60 heat
huh so nobody has done a 61 heat despite there being an option to do 61 heat?
hollow hawk
no, 61 heat is hard lol
simple tulip
not each boss
ahhh
hollow hawk
you have to take a lot of difficult pacts
also, em1 meg can be a bit hard at first
but you will have to get used to it anyway
simple tulip
oh, so the best players will be trying to speedrun heat 60 or try get heat 61 run
hollow hawk
so better to take it now
hollow hawk
oh, so the best players will be trying to speedrun heat 60 or try get heat 61 ru...
speedrunning isnt a thing at like 40 heat+
simple tulip
speedrunning fresh file then
hollow hawk
beating 60 heat itself is considered a huge feat, no one except tailesque has done it
fresh file is a category in speedrunning yes
but the most popular speedrunning category is any heat
where you take any of the heat pacts you want, and try to get the fastest game time
the record for any heat is currently 5:53 held by lili
simple tulip
i don't play independant games often, but hades does seem to have so much endgame potential
dusky wedge
Because it’s like that in design. It’s a roguelite
simple tulip
beating 60 heat itself is considered a huge feat, no one except tailesque has do...
what is the furthest people have gotten in 61 heat?
dusky wedge
Roguelites are inherently very replayable
modern arch
Yeah, that’s why I love them
simple tulip
if only one person has beaten heat 60 then heat 61 elysium seems enough of an accomplishment
modern arch
Replay ability is incredible
hollow kettle
I love hades because of how the dying and restarting is like actually worked into the story and the lore
dusky wedge
I can only imagine how hard heat 60 is
modern arch
Some games it makes lots of sense, many games it doesn’t
dusky wedge
Most of the pacts are ok when only 2-3 are active
hollow hawk
what is the furthest people have gotten in 61 heat?
baj has gotten to hades
at 61 heat
but he died to td3
because he got a 4 sack
simple tulip
i'm looking at the 60 heat run and his bow seems so powerful, he crits for 1600 in tartarus
dusky wedge
The hard part came when the pacts are combined
hollow hawk
you wont understand these terms probably lol
hollow hawk
i'm looking at the 60 heat run and his bow seems so powerful, he crits for 1600 ...
rama bow, yeah
its the hidden aspect of bow
with arty attack, it is op
dont feel bad if you cant do that lol
simple tulip
because he got a 4 sack
that's so unlucky, if he got 1sack would he have gotten it?
hollow kettle
Yeah it’s never in the first room you go in
simple tulip
i must be pretty lucky then i got 2 sacks pretty often
hollow hawk
but yeah, he wouldve gotten it if he got a 2 sackk
no, its normal
2 sacks are the most likely
somewhere like ~55% chance
simple tulip
its the hidden aspect of bow
how do i get rama bow and what does it do
dusky wedge
2-3 sacks is normal
hollow hawk
pinned in #h1-story-discussion
modern arch
I tried Rama once, but I didn’t know what boons to get :(
simple tulip
thanks
hollow hawk
so beware
hollow hawk
I tried Rama once, but I didn’t know what boons to get :(
arty attack
aphro special
aim for heartrend
or, you could do a special only rama build
with zeus on special
dusky wedge
Remembered my first td2 run and I got a 4 sack
hollow hawk
and just hold down your special button forever
simple tulip
its a bit spoilery
uh i've beaten the story 4 times so i won't look at it yet
hollow hawk
not beaten the story, cleared
simple tulip
i need to beat it more to unlock rama i assume?
hollow hawk
you havent beaten the story yet
and no
you just need to unlock more aspects and talk to more people
simple tulip
escaped 4 times then**
hollow hawk
trying to be as vague as possible here without spoilering anything
in conclusion, just keep playing lol
simple tulip
will telling what it does spoil anything?
modern arch
Sorta
hollow hawk
will telling what it does spoil anything?
yeah, id recommend not to watch tail's video until youve unlocked it
and progressed further in the story
dont watch VODs of other players unless you're fine on getting spoiled on certain stuff
simple tulip
freshfile speedruns are fine though right
hollow hawk
yeah
hollow kettle
I think the reason Hades hasn’t lost my attention span might be because there’s just so many different combinations, weapons, aspects, keepsakes, companions, god boons, hammer upgrades, powerups, mirror talents, pact conditions, boss variations
modern arch
Ooh
hollow kettle
Every single run is going to be a different experience from the last
hollow hawk
Every single run is going to be a different experience from the last
thats for all roguelikes pretty much, but yeah hades manages to combine it with a good story and narrative
hollow hawk
you should try other roguelikes/lites, they'll be fun for you too
hollow kettle
That’s the thing, normally I can’t stand games where you lose all your progress whenever you die
But like in Hades dying doesn’t feel like a punishment
modern arch
Cuz it unlocks things?
hollow kettle
Yeah like you don’t lose everything and you get to talk to people and progress the story
modern arch
There are a fair few which let u explicitly unlock things after death
And I presume others which let u progress other story elements
Hey, that’s a question: do any of u guys reccomend another roguelite that had a proper advanced story after death thing?
quaint pagoda
I just bought the game yesterday, it's fun.
half zephyr
I just bought the game yesterday, it's fun.
Welcome!
You should head over to #h1-for-new-players - it’s the spoiler free channel & closest to a safe haven on this server related to Hades^^
Ofc, feel free to stay here if you don’t mind getting story spoiled for you 
quaint pagoda
thank you, I don't really mind.. I already know a lot from watching playthroughs.
half zephyr
half zephyr
I just did a Boonless run
simple tulip
do i buy contractor's desk deluxe or administrative privelage
copper canopy
I just did a Boonless run
Now do mirrorless
Spoiler alert: it’s harder
Still need to do boonless mirrorless
simple tulip
how do i see howm nay succesfull escape attempts i have?
copper canopy
how do i see howm nay succesfull escape attempts i have?
Buy administrative privilege or complete a run and look at the end screen
craggy barn
i had curse of agony + divine dash on my first clear
and then curse of pain
and i was using fists
trail pulsar
I got to styx on my like second or third run purely because of divine dash and cursed slash lol
viscid fern
cursed slash can get you through half the game on your first run stg
dummy stupid that they put that on the sword, the starter weapon
most people stop using it almost immediately so i guess its alright
but it can hard carry people
modern arch
Iv still not got cursed slash :/
viscid fern
i rotate unless it makes me use the gun
i will rarely use it lmao
none of the aspects really interest me atm
but i only have zag aspect maxed and hestia almost maxed
but hestia just seems a bit dull imo
shoot, reload, dash repeat
funny big number is funny but it doesnt get that interesting
i look forward to using hestia when i get enough blood thrown my way
modern arch
Oh? Hoho
I’m excited to unlock secret fist
That and gun are only two left w/ secret for me :)
rotund galleon
It's really fun, also Star Trek memes
brazen lagoon
gilga is pretty underwhelming ngl
modern arch
Depends on the player
brazen lagoon
the community often has incredibly varying opinions on the weapons
rotund galleon
You shoot harder
uncut ore
I can only consistently beat the game with the sword and the shield?
am I missing something? I lost all my dds in TARTARUS
with the gun
and I died to asterius
brazen lagoon
the rail is pretty dependent on what boon you put on the attack
rotund galleon
Which aspect
uncut ore
the rail is pretty dependent on what boon you put on the attack
aspect as in blood juice titan blood?
rotund galleon
I was asking about the Titan juice yea
uncut ore
I was asking about the Titan juice yea
I only have the extra ammo
brazen lagoon
otherwise it is a terrible choice
rotund galleon
Arte's extra Arrow thing is good too
brazen lagoon
support fire is def great on rail
uncut ore
does that mean
that say theres a 5% chance for legendaries
does that mean 5.5% chance or 15% chance?
rotund galleon
Zeus + Lucifer is pretty fun
uncut ore
is it +10% or times 10%?
brazen lagoon
+10
rotund galleon
You don't need to start with Zeus trinket anyway
brazen lagoon
no
rotund galleon
No
brazen lagoon
that is not how it works
viscid fern
10% shot three times is not 30%
uncut ore
its not 0.9 times 0.9 times 0.9
uncut ore
the chance of all three shots failiing is 0.1*0.1\*0.1
no what
wait
its 1 minus 0.9*0.9 * 0.9
uncut ore
its a 27.1% chance
viscid fern
^
uncut ore
but wait no
viscid fern
brain empty moment
uncut ore
its 3 independent rolls
viscid fern
yeah the chance of at least one rolling a legendary is 27%
uncut ore
its either 27.1% or 30% im not sure but yeah anyways
so how come I dont get a legendary 1 in 4 boons?
viscid fern
¯_(ツ)_/¯
dont know what the actual odds are
could just be tough luck
or a more complicated system
brazen lagoon
im pretty sure the actual odds are alot lower
uncut ore
if anything they would be higher
viscid fern
idk i get legendaries pretty often when available
brazen lagoon
but idk the exact details so im gonna leave it to someone who actually knows what theyre talking about
uncut ore
since theres a default likelihood of getting duos or legendaries
viscid fern
it does feel like 30ish %
doesnt the system just do individual rolls on upgrading a common boon?
so at the start all three are common and they all have a chance to be upgraded to rare or epic
but legendaries and duos would have to be considered separately since theyre not upgrades to lower rarity boons
viscid fern
i dont think this game has been picked apart that much but you never know
oh thats cool
should probably pin that somewhere if it isnt already
brazen lagoon
interesting
viscid fern
so i assume keepsakes just straight up add to those percentages
rotund galleon
Question, if you get Athena attack on Lucifer, can you deflect Hades's beams with your own attack?
Creating a stalemate
Never tried that
viscid fern
his beams arent deflectable?
rotund galleon
No idea
viscid fern
either that or im not observant enough
but i dont remember ever seeing someone fire a laser back
runic parrot
i dont think lasers are deflectable
rotund galleon
Not fire back , wrong choice of words
viscid fern
at the very most you'd be negating the laser so you can continue to do DPS
uncut ore
wait
runic parrot
then again i have no idea how athena on igneus works
uncut ore
is there a tutorial on how to use all the guns?
runic parrot
shooty shooty
viscid fern
bang bang
uncut ore
weapons*
and the gun in particular
like
im good at using the shield and the sword
but what about everything else?
runic parrot
general beginner suggestion would be to put zeus on its attack
since it's good at clearing rooms
rotund galleon
Like Hades beam >>>>contact point<<<< Athena Lucifer beam
runic parrot
dragon ball kamehameha type deal
rotund galleon
Aye
uncut ore
what weapons do you guys usually use?
runic parrot
it's kinda obvs for me
brazen lagoon
cant deflect his lasers
rotund galleon
I think my most used weapon is Gilgamesh fist
brazen lagoon
and athena lucifer only deflects at the base of the laser
uncut ore
what weapons do you guys usually use?
?
viscid fern
all of them
brazen lagoon
gun
runic parrot
and athena lucifer only deflects at the base of the laser
ah thats interesting
runic parrot
^
brazen lagoon
ye
viscid fern
but i avoid the gun
runic parrot
i still really like the sword and bow
viscid fern
this thing sucks rn i wonder what it was like before lol
viscid fern
i liked it when i first began playing but i realised DPS just doesnt compare
and you need some specific ass hammers
hushed pumice
It's slow and it sucks, oh BTW a guy has cleared the game in 7 minutes with it
half zephyr
what weapons do you guys usually use?
I’ve been most successful with exagryph
uncut ore
thats the gun?
rotund galleon
My second fastest run is with chaos shield
viscid fern
stand still, click button
half zephyr
But I love all of them except bow
viscid fern
L
half zephyr
thats the gun?
Yup
brazen lagoon
used to hate bow as well
half zephyr
I put doom on attack & aim for stacking later on
brazen lagoon
now i've realised its actually pretty good