h1-discussion

[grand crystal]

kk

[wild solar]

I did unlock Stygius' hidden aspect today! It looks cool

[grand crystal]

ah yea arthur

imo its meh

too slow

and the special is very niche

[craggy barn]

it gets crazy with heart rend

[wild solar]

I don't mind being patient instead of strong

[craggy barn]

• shadow slash you can get some massive numbers

[grand crystal]

(me over here preferring aphro setups since i like guaranteed damage)

[wild solar]

What is Heart Rend again?

[grand crystal]

extra 150% on crits on things with weak

the aphro/arte duo

so crits become 4.5 instead of 3 times

[wild solar]

Oh hell yes

[brazen lagoon]

One of if not the best duo boon

[wild solar]

I love Artemis and Aphrodite

Some of my favorite goddesses

Nyx is great
Chaos is too

[craggy barn]

if you're doing a crit build heart rend is a MUST

empty inside can also be very helpful since you worry less about applying weak

[wild solar]

Empty Inside makes weak effects stay longer right?

[craggy barn]

yeah

[wild solar]

I still have a few more duo's to get for the fated list

I'm gonna love Sea Storm

[grand crystal]

i like heart rend on chiron :3

[grand crystal]

oohhhh yea thats fun on the right weapon

like chiron

or rail

omfg that reaction

its also good on like sword special

[wild solar]

I hate Exagryph with a passion

Ironically, it was my second escape weapon

That was through pure luck though

It feels super clunky and needs a lot to work imo

[grand crystal]

what aspect??

[winter harbor]

My first escape with exagryph was with a janky build

[grand crystal]

since the aspects are crazy

[wild solar]

All of them

[winter harbor]

I remember it had the revenge duo boon but not much else

[wild solar]

The weapon is just gross

[grand crystal]

hestia gets like 400-500 damage per shot and potentially more

[wild solar]

I also just don't like guns so

[grand crystal]

eris leads to dummy thicc dps

ahhh yea

hidden aspect kinda poop ngl

but yea i didnt like it at all when it first released

[wild solar]

Anyways I need to head to bed. Cheers, mate. Good talking with you.

[grand crystal]

yea you too

goodnight

[humble lotus]

I found potentialy both the best and worst build i have ever tried

[grand crystal]

oh?

[humble lotus]

Guan yu + high confidence

[grand crystal]

oh yea

i mean

it works

[humble lotus]

Not realy

[grand crystal]

wdym??

sounds pretty good

although youll be at like 8 hp

[humble lotus]

It is a death sentance

You have 15 max hp

[grand crystal]

but thats 15 you wont lose 😎

[humble lotus]

Wait with peirced butterfly this may be good

[wind vapor]

You ever feel like you're just hitting a brick wall with this game?

[simple tulip]

does auto aim rail gun work at max rail gun range?

[grand crystal]

wdym

[grand crystal]

and yes, i have with every rogue like

it takes time, energy, and most of all patience

[simple tulip]

like does auto aim stop working at a certain point in range?

[grand crystal]

i think it stops working when its out of range and thats about it

[brazen lagoon]

Felt like that with dead cells

[grand crystal]

but i havent really tried :/

[simple tulip]

damn that's opo

op

[brazen lagoon]

Hit 2BC and just like couldn't

[simple tulip]

why do people even bother using kbm then

[grand crystal]

more precise

[simple tulip]

i saw some people say in a thread that kbm was better for rail, but you literally can't miss with rail on controller

[grand crystal]

there are times where i wanna dash back but because the stick was in the process of flicking back it read forward

[grand crystal]

again, more minute control

[simple tulip]

what is minute control

[grand crystal]

felt that with gungeon

[grand crystal]

i mean just being able to control it to a T

its much more precise than a controller

[simple tulip]

T?

yeah, i'm switching to controller

[wind vapor]

"To a T" is common slang for "To as good as possible."

[simple tulip]

btw: privelaged status or family favourite. and olympian favour or dark foresight

[runic parrot]

depends on your build

PS is really dependent

[simple tulip]

i go for rail zeus attack art supportfire

[runic parrot]

FF

i usually go dark foresight so i get more chances of getting boons

[wind vapor]

I wish I could predict how my runs go enough to plan for builds.

[simple tulip]

thanks, i don't normally go curse effect builds

[runic parrot]

no one knows how our runs will go

it's all just luck

but it's easily manipulated luck (i.e. re-rolls)

most of it is improv, because you have to know what works well with what and adapt to what the gods actually give you

[mortal palm]

usually I am relatively chill through half of tartarus so that I can see at least 3 gods(aka what the God Pool is), then in asphodel I force another god to make a build

[grand crystal]

i like to force a god right out of the gate

lets me get what i want

[craggy barn]

yeah i always use a god keepsake at the start

[mortal palm]

honestly most of the time when I do that I get the god like once and then never again, or none of the rest of the gods are good for the build

[craggy barn]

extremely helpful for getting a good start in tartarus

[mortal palm]

like going artemis and then it's like "heeey... there's no athena or aphrodite... cool...."

[grand crystal]

yea but then i also always force in asphodel too

and maybe elysium if i need it

[mortal palm]

still don't like it personally until seeing the natural god pool

[craggy barn]

i like to use plume in asphodel when i'm doing a cast build

hermes' legendaries are just so good

[runic parrot]

bad news in tartarus mid shop is so good

and the other one too

[craggy barn]

bad news in tart 😳

very unlikely though

you'd be starting off with plume on a cast build

[runic parrot]

i got it the other hermes leg in tartarus mid shop once

[grand crystal]

hehe ive gotten legendaries in tart

[runic parrot]

yeah i had plume on

[runic parrot]

yeah but it's impossible to get hermes leg in tartarus

without the pl00m

[craggy barn]

you can only get a hermes boon in tartarus once

so without the plume you'd have to get either quick/auto reload or flurry cast first

[hollow hawk]

cant you get him twice?

once in midshop and once in final

[brisk trail]

Actually, yeah.

[hollow hawk]

i swear ive seen someone get hyper delivery in tartarus

[brisk trail]

I thought something was off about that. It's rare to get both Hermes in Tartarus but it can happen.

[simple tulip]

i have a question: on controller auto aim if i dash backwards, away from the target and shoot (rail gun), will the dashstrike aimlock onto the target or just shoot towards where i am dashing like an idiot

[stiff trellis]

Man, thanatos is getting really competitive

He just crashed my laptop

Pretty sure I won tho

[winter harbor]

Thanatos breaking the 4th wall and still losing

[runic parrot]

he's frustrated, he's had a long day and just wants to chill with his bf

but then zag had to make it a competition

i wouldn't blame him, he's the literal personification of death after all

[stiff trellis]

Tbh tho he would have beat me

[modern arch]

Thanatos acts like he’s helping like he doesn’t cause me to run into all enemies and take 50% more damage than useful

[stiff trellis]

He got four enemies in the aoe and my laptop said "Yeah, I'll just give you the L now so you don't have to wait"

[brisk trail]

"Okay, running through Elysium, been a little tough this run, the last two chambers have been easy, hope I don't get anything too tou--[guh-dong]. Oh. Good, 15 Elite Longspears."

[modern arch]

Yep

[brisk trail]

I've dreaded encountering Than for almost 2000 Escape Attempts, only now that I'm beginning speedrunning will I look forward to seeing him.

[modern arch]

Thanks than :\

But seeing him means talking to him so I’m happy

[brisk trail]

Than is a super classic Tsundere and therefore I strongly dislike him.

Zag has spend untold years under Hades' abuse, and when he finally said "To hell with this," and tries to leave Than guilts him.

[modern arch]

Than is kinda a dumbby tho

[brisk trail]

Only by slogging through most of Than's really abrasive and accusatory dialogue do you get a character worth knowing.

And even then, Than is arguably the least interesting character in the House.

[modern arch]

He seems to generally have no idea what was actually going on for quite a while

[brisk trail]

Zag is top 5 Himbo in Hades and he's got better emotional/situational awareness than Than.

[modern arch]

Hypnos is no. 1 himbo just saying

[brisk trail]

Oh, no, Theseus.

[modern arch]

He’s not a himbo

[brisk trail]

Hypnos is close but he's not enough of a beefhead to be a true Himbo.

[modern arch]

Not nice enough

[manic moat]

hypnos is babie

[modern arch]

No hypno is mega beefhead

[manic moat]

hypno is a crackhead

[modern arch]

Hypnos...

[brisk trail]

He's not nice to Zagreus, but remember that he took a look at his once-mortal enemy and said "This dude gets me better than literally everyone I'd known my entire life."

[half zephyr]

In his defense for some of that time Zag was dating someone & Than is really emotionally stunted when it comes to some things

[modern arch]

They’re gay...

Than is so emotionally constipated

Plus Meg was also not very nice

[brisk trail]

In my fantasy theoretical DLC where we get a full-tilt dungeon crawler "End the Satyr problem once-and-for-all" Theseus gets the memo and then starts doing his job.

[narrow hemlock]

the closest thing to a himbo in hades is dionysus. everyone forgets the requirements for a himbo is 1) strong 2) kind 3) dumb

zag and theseus do not hit all 3 marks

[half zephyr]

She’s a torturer

[modern arch]

And dusas just mainly stressed

[half zephyr]

She’s not meant to be nice

She gets better at max heart

[modern arch]

I know just saying

[half zephyr]

A true sweetheart

[brisk trail]

Again, Theseus is kind, just not to Zag, who he's too dumb to realize is Hades' son.

[half zephyr]

Plus we were apparently immature too

[modern arch]

Ur right

[narrow hemlock]

nah the kindness is overall, if your kindness is select then thats not himbo

[modern arch]

Yep

Ok what about

||skelly?||

[half zephyr]

He’s in it for the pain

[modern arch]

:/

I imagine he’s got good pay

[brisk trail]

Agree to disagree, Tatz?

[half zephyr]

I imagine he’s a clever sob who just knew the job was meant for him

[modern arch]

I agree dio is himbo

[half zephyr]

So he gets both the obol & the pain

[modern arch]

Zag sorta one,, Hypnos I still say is one

Disagree on Theseus

[brisk trail]

Again, I maintain that if Theseus were smart enough to understand who Zag is, or eventually just got the whole "He's Hades' son" get beaten through his head, he'd be genial in pre-fight dialogue.

[half zephyr]

Theseus is an angry kitten & is hilarious

[modern arch]

He’s great

[half zephyr]

His Va is amazing

[modern arch]

I love that adterus half the time complements u, but then sonetines in a fight is like ‘useless’ like u didn’t just beat him up

[brisk trail]

He streams on Twitch!

[modern arch]

God the voice acting is legendary

:0

[half zephyr]

Em3 Theseus is the best

[modern arch]

Haven’t fought em3 thes yet

[half zephyr]

You’re in for a treat

[manic moat]

it's fun

[brisk trail]

Courtney (who is just a regular user here??? I was honestly expecting VAs to get a little title) had him on her stream a little while ago and I've seen a lot of his saved boardcasts come up.

[manic moat]

but em3 asterius.......

[brisk trail]

EM3 Theseus has my single-favorite voiceline in the game.

[modern arch]

Oh I’m excited

[brisk trail]

EM3 Asterius is not that different from standard and if you can deal with standard EM is not that much harder.

[narrow hemlock]

cyrus is here too but he doesnt use discord

[half zephyr]

Hey, if Theseus is gonna get more useless, his babysitters gotta be stronger to take care of him

[manic moat]

yea that makes sense

[modern arch]

Understandable

[narrow hemlock]

i imagine theres a few of the va on the server but theyre not a presence

[manic moat]

but the one thing that is different

yikees

[half zephyr]

Its BEYBLADE

[modern arch]

D:

[brisk trail]

And once you know the tell, you almost never get hit by it again.

until you do

[half zephyr]

Mhmm

[manic moat]

let it rip

[half zephyr]

I remember when I had Zeus shield w ares cast & got em3 Asterius mini room

It was beyblade battle

[manic moat]

em3 shouldn't affect asterius mini boss

middle management should

but it wouldn't make sense ig

[half zephyr]

He still gets his new attacks & ||armor||..

It’s still em3 Asterius in the mini room..

There’s even dialogue for it

For meeting him there

W em3

[runic parrot]

they're saying he SHOULDNT be affected by em3

[wise sparrow]

its ok hes still easy

[vapid narwhal]

@untold geyser you can skip heat, you only need to get one another if you want to get all bounty rewards, and that only goes up to 20

[untold geyser]

past 20, there are no more new bounty rewards?

[craggy barn]

nope

save for the last of skelly's prizes

[untold geyser]

speaking of skelly

why do I want to put at least 1 TB into each weapon's one aspect?

what do I get?

[rapid forum]

TB?

you mean TD?

oh

titan's blood

[craggy barn]

hidden aspects

actually you'll wanna put in at least 5 blood into each weapon for hidden aspects

[edgy grove]

Oooh, is that how they trigger?

[craggy barn]

you should just get every aspect anyways so you can actually get your first hidden aspect

[granite ether]

excpet spear hidden aspect

[runic parrot]

for the first hidden aspect, you're gonna want to unlock 5 non-zag aspects for any weapon

[edgy grove]

I was wondering why it took me so long to unlock the hidden aspect for the bow, now it makes sense lol

[craggy barn]

for everything else just invest 5 blood total to the weapon you want and talk to random people

[runic parrot]

for the rest, you have to invest 5 blood into non-zag (?) aspects for the weapon

[craggy barn]

i'm not telling who you should talk to

[runic parrot]

yeah there's a guide posted in somewhere here if you want to get spoiled

i liked getting it naturally lol it was a surprise for each one

[granite ether]

the unlock conditions for hidden aspects are pinned in #h1-story-discussion

[craggy barn]

^ zag aspects are fine for the other aspects

[edgy grove]

Ah, tyty.

[untold geyser]

are there any hidden aspects that make such a big difference at lv. 1 that you want to unlock them early?

chaos shield is said to be good, but you barely notice at lv. 1

(it's not hidden anyway, just an example)

[vapid narwhal]

yes some aspects are better at lv 1 than others

chaos is one that needs at least lv 4

[untold geyser]

ones that add new moves I imagine

[carmine ravine]

hidden sword yeah, you dont even need to level it

[vapid narwhal]

meanwhile the hera bow for example excels at lv 1

[untold geyser]

to get hidden sword, do I need to pay 5 TB to unlock each aspect?

or every aspect of every weapon?

[carmine ravine]

https://xd.adobe.com/view/b90bd0e4-4ae8-400b-709d-3305de01e6b3-cf3a/?fullscreen

[vapid narwhal]

just 5 on the sword

doesnt matter which aspect

5 on the zag aspect will do (you need it anyway)

[trail pendant]

Yeah

That Skelly quest

[narrow hemlock]

for reference rail on that is incorrect. peach's text in the pin is accurate bc i went back and verified info last month and had the pin edited

it's nothing major, just a step in the process was removed

[carmine ravine]

Ah okay, i just dont want to copy a wall text here

[granite ether]

you can link directly to the message 😉

[chrome zephyr]

"deal bonus attack dmg when striking undamaged foes" does this also apply as long as they have armor ?

like does the effect work even when they have armor and i damaged them a bit

@ me if you know the answer thanks

[uncut ore]

apart from the shield and the sword, what are other weapons you think are good for starters?

im trying to farm low heat before I get into harder chalanges

just clear the game maybe 25 times

with every weapon all the way up to 5 heat

5 heat seams reasonable

[manic moat]

I think up to like 10 heat it's just easy

[carmine ravine]

eris rail should clear low heat easy

[uncut ore]

thats the gun?

[carmine ravine]

yeah

[hushed pumice]

Up to 8 heat you barely even feel it

16 is a minor challenge

24 requires getting accustomed to many high heat things but not all of them

32 is where high heat really begins

40 is probably the break point where the game starts to become very, very punishing

45/46 and 50/51 are spikes

And after that you're not really in Greece anymore, Toto

[hollow hawk]

also make sure youre picking good pact options

even 5 heat can be hell with terrible pacts

the best pact options are probably tight deadline, extreme measures, middle management, underworld customs maybe, and benefits package

lasting consequences is a pretty good 1 heat if you want 1 heat to get an even number or something

[runic parrot]

5 heat with FO2

[hollow hawk]

5 heat with RI and AP lmao

or better yet

dmg control, but with hestia

or arthur lol

[runic parrot]

pain.

[uncut ore]

what

I barely survive with 1 heat

bruh

[uncut ore]

yeahhh about that...

I cant consistently 100% beat the game even with 0 heat

[hollow hawk]

i mean if youre beginning out it will be hard, dont get me wrong

but compared to something like 32 heat, 5 heat is easy

just take some of the pacts i mentioned above

[dusky wedge]

Tight Deadline is the easiest pact, much like a free heat there, easy 1 heat

[hollow hawk]

and it wont be as hard

if you can clear under 36 minutes that is

[uncut ore]

https://imgur.com/a/GQlw7tU AMOGUS 😳

[hollow hawk]

it would be wise to pause when making decisions such as what to buy in charon's shop, since the timer pauses when you pause

[uncut ore]

wait what?

you need to beat the game in 28 minutes

[hollow hawk]

no

36

at 1 heat

[uncut ore]

thats not "free heat" bruh

[hollow hawk]

28 at 3 heat

[uncut ore]

thats still relatively hard

like

[carmine ravine]

it is, you carry ur remaining time after each biome

[hollow hawk]

it is for new players

[dusky wedge]

9 is pretty do-able, try it

[hollow hawk]

just pause when making some decisions

[uncut ore]

ok ill try 9

[dusky wedge]

7 is where it’s actually harder

[uncut ore]

I rn have thej ury summons

[hollow hawk]

the timer automatically pauses when you are selecting boons and stuff

[uncut ore]

+20% mobs

[hollow hawk]

jury summons is bad

very bad for your first heat lol

[uncut ore]

easy af

[uncut ore]

wait what

why?

[hollow hawk]

compared to tight deadline and extreme measures it is bad

[carmine ravine]

this is why you cant do TD

[hollow hawk]

you will lose a lot more health in normal chambers

and it will take a lot more time

[uncut ore]

well sure

[hollow hawk]

you can do whatever you want, we're just suggesting things that are easy for most players when compared to other pacts

[uncut ore]

wtf isnt EM like unimagnibaly impossible?

[hollow hawk]

no

its the most common heat

[uncut ore]

with like ||a hades 3rd phase|| and all that

[hollow hawk]

and easy heat, after td

em4 is hard

em1 and em2 isnt

em has levels

[uncut ore]

plus honestly

[hollow hawk]

just like jury summons

[carmine ravine]

Em just changes the bosses a little bit, EM3 is easier than the normal theseus

[uncut ore]

if I lose 1 dd to meg every time

[dusky wedge]

Jury Summon alone is easy. Combined with other pacts? That’s where it gets complicated

[uncut ore]

thats pretty bad tbh

[hollow hawk]

id still suggest to take td before jury

[uncut ore]

ok sure

[hollow hawk]

because you'll have to get used to td eventually

when you do anything above like 4-5 heat

[carmine ravine]

what is your slowest record?

[brazen lagoon]

Using jury summons early on isn't too bad

[hollow hawk]

you can technically do like 40 heat without td, but it is hell

[uncut ore]

like 45 minutes

but I usually do around 30 minutes

I havent beat the game enough times tho to say what I usually do

[hollow hawk]

if you can do around 30 mins

td isnt hard for you at all

[carmine ravine]

have u got the ending at least?

[hollow hawk]

td1, that is

[dusky wedge]

Just remember to keep pausing

[hollow hawk]

theyve cleared once

iirc

or twice

[uncut ore]

you mean like beat hades?

of course how do you think I unlocked heat

[hollow hawk]

no

[uncut ore]

if you dont mean that - please dont elaborate

no spoilers please

[hollow hawk]

they were asking if youve gotten the ending

yknow

[uncut ore]

yeah

ok

[hollow hawk]

the ending

[uncut ore]

thats a bit of a spoiler

[hollow hawk]

not really

[uncut ore]

oh stfu

the ending

[brazen lagoon]

The Ending

[hollow hawk]

||the ending||

[brazen lagoon]

Where ||lol not a spoiler jebaited||

[hollow hawk]

dont click that

or do

idc

[carmine ravine]

its not rly a spoiler at this point

[hollow hawk]

not in this channel

no

[uncut ore]

god damn it

I instictively press on spoilers

[carmine ravine]

u dum

[brazen lagoon]

L

[half zephyr]

If you come here there will be talks about the ending

[uncut ore]

damn this is shaping up to be a massive special attack run

I got +143% special damage plus 111% special daamge

[brisk trail]

man i suck ass at this game

[uncut ore]

holy I got an OP special

are there any special-related duos?

for stygian blade

[crude pasture]

You do with that attitude!

[brisk trail]

bro it took me like 5 tries to beat heat 1

[crude pasture]

And it took me 20 tries to beat Heat 0

[brisk trail]

damn you suck even more than me

[crude pasture]

My point being, lower expectations for yourself

Hades is pretty much exclusively single-player, so don't worry about being "good" at the game and just enjoy the journey

[brisk trail]

bro i keep getting that wine guy

every single run

[raw herald]

Why is Rama the meta for high heat?

[brisk trail]

wtf

cringe

his boons are so BAD

[uncut ore]

who is rama?

oh demeter

[raw herald]

Aspect of rama

[uncut ore]

wait what

i was sure it was short for grandma

which is demeter

[half zephyr]

No it’s a Hindu deity

[uncut ore]

...

why is it in hades then?

[half zephyr]

It’s an aspect

[acoustic quartz]

i mean if you ask that

[half zephyr]

None of the hidden ones are Greek 😗

[acoustic quartz]

why are the aspects of guan yu and lucifer in hades

[uncut ore]

but anyways

[acoustic quartz]

yea none of the hidden ones are greek

which is cool

[uncut ore]

im gonna try play with tight deadline 1 now

speedrun time

[runic parrot]

the world of hades maybe has a loose pantheon of gods

[hollow hawk]

a hindu warrior, who is the form of a deity

doesnt matter eitherway but i just wanted to flex my hinduism knowledge

[hollow hawk]

thats the only point

that theyre not supposed to be greek

christian mythology (lucy), nordic (beo) etc

the characters also never acknowledge these gods/deities whatever as having met them or what not

so its just a reference, rather than a thing that the olympians and other characters know about

[manic moat]

yea I'm Indian and there's a whole long story of being one of the ten forms of a major god but yea this is pretty much correct

[hollow hawk]

ay

im pakistani!

[manic moat]

yooooooooo what

[hollow hawk]

glad to meet someone near me

[manic moat]

nice bro

[hollow hawk]

kinda offtopic for this channel, but im hindu too, which is why i knew that lol

[manic moat]

nice I'm Sikh but still obviously know that stuff

[half zephyr]

I only know what the interwebs told me when I looked up Rama when I unlocked the aspect

[runic parrot]

rama is an avatar of vishnu right

he seems like a pretty major step up from just a great warrior like guan yu or arthur

[uncut ore]

damn I know nothing about hinduism 😦

[runic parrot]

like a literal god

must be why rama bow is so op lul

[uncut ore]

I mean by that logic boons should be absolutely OP

also isnt guan yu a historical figure?

[carmine ravine]

rama is cool, but i like beowulf more

[hollow hawk]

yeah hes a chinese general iirc

[hollow hawk]

yes

[runic parrot]

beo is ok

rama is definitely my fav among the hidden aspects

[uncut ore]

ugh really?

[runic parrot]

followed closely by beo and then arthur

[uncut ore]

theres a mob stuck oob

ah nvm it walked back

[hollow hawk]

my hidden aspect tier list probably goes something like

1.rama
2.beo
3.lucy
4.guan yu
5.arthur

[uncut ore]

wait I still cant hit it

[hollow hawk]

not saying arthur is the literal worst hidden aspect, just compared to others its less versatile for high heat and speedruns

[runic parrot]

gilga doesnt get a ranking because it's trash

[hollow hawk]

gilga?

whats that

[runic parrot]

trash aspect

[hollow hawk]

ive only heard of dash build

[runic parrot]

only good for dash builds

my list is pretty much the same as yours but i swap arthur and lucy

[hollow hawk]

i thought gilga was just a hermes boon to get extra dashes

lucy is so fun tbh

[runic parrot]

they're all fun in their own rights tho

[hollow hawk]

yeah for sure

[uncut ore]

when do you get the hidden aspects?

[half zephyr]

Guan Yu is deified in parts of China I think

[hollow hawk]

#h1-story-discussion pinned message there

[uncut ore]

I see

so guan yu is the first you get?

[half zephyr]

Always

[hollow hawk]

yep

its also the least noob friendly aspect in the game probably

[half zephyr]

So little health..

[unborn ermine]

If you get one specific hammer it gets really easy though

[craggy barn]

either charged skewer or quick spin

or both lol

[unborn ermine]

Charged skewer mostly

[uncut ore]

wait what is a tierlist of all the weapons?

I havent played all of them yet but I like the shield the most followed by the sword

[crude pasture]

They're all A tier

[uncut ore]

from what I understand until now:

1. shield
2. sword
3. gun
4. spear
5. boxer
6. bow

[crude pasture]

The ones that click for you will depend on your playstyle

[uncut ore]

except for the bow

and shield is S cus it blocks damage

[crude pasture]

I'm at Heat 5 with the bow and I haven't won a single time with anything else

Again, depends on the playstyle

[uncut ore]

lmao what

you should probably try to get other weapons first before you go on 6 heat

if you can beat so easily 5 heat then 0 or 1 heat will probably be a breeze for you

[hollow hawk]

all weapons in this game are fairly balanced tbh

theres no real tierlist imo

[crude pasture]

^^^

[uncut ore]

yeah but its still nice to poke fun at the very minor differences between them

[hollow hawk]

the shield block gets meh as you start to advance in heat

when you need more dmg than health

[uncut ore]

"oh my build does 3.2% more dps than yours therefore it is objectively better"

[uncut ore]

against bosses its great

[hollow hawk]

at an early level

yes

[uncut ore]

maybe in normal chambers but being able to block 99% of hades's attacks sure is a plus

[brazen lagoon]

Theres no definitive tier list for best to worst weapons

At the end of the day it's all personal opinion

[crude pasture]

And then the other 1% will kill you

[uncut ore]

but there is an objective one, also called: my personal opinion

[brazen lagoon]

Well it sucks

[crude pasture]

Pulling the oxymoron card, I see

[uncut ore]

also who is that in your pfp? she seems really familiar, from what show is she?

[brazen lagoon]

Marceline from adventure time

[uncut ore]

well its objectively my subjective opinion

[uncut ore]

I should watch that show

[crude pasture]

I'm going to assume you're joking at this point

[uncut ore]

yeah

[unborn remnant]

hello hades fans

how are we

[grand crystal]

tired

i just woke up

[manic moat]

i have an exam tomorrow and I dont wanna give it

[unborn remnant]

not ideal

[grand crystal]

wbu

[unborn remnant]

im just out here

starting the day

the usual

[grand crystal]

nice

[unborn remnant]

gonna maybe do some runs later

or nuzlocke idk

[solar wind]

I played 7 hours of Hades last night. I finished the main story.... Uncovered 2 weapon upgrades.... Unlocked admin and the bedroom.... And my whole freaking body hurts 😂

[grand crystal]

hehe i feel that

i stay up till like 4am at least twice a week for hades

when i have to wake up at like 9

its great

[solar wind]

I would probably play hades all day today, to try and finally ||romance Meg|| but I think I would break my wrists if I did 😅

[grand crystal]

i mean romancing meg isnt that hard

just a lot of luck

i romanced thanatos my self

and then up at 3am, i was bored and romanced meg too

just for the dialogue

[solar wind]

Yeah, that's the problem with me tbh. Thanatos refuses to appear lol

[grand crystal]

damn yea like hes been showing up more for me but when i started the file he almost never did

was very sad

and i mean im on run like 102 now

[solar wind]

Geez lol

I'm only on run 38 or so?

[pallid hearth]

Woo, got a 19:21 run yesterday(3 heat) and got a 18:24 today! 15 soon :D

[grand crystal]

i mean its more like 200-300 ish since i played very early EA and have played on like 3 accounts/files

[solar wind]

Jesus christ dude.... That's a lot lol

[grand crystal]

yeaa

i really like supergiant

and hades is great

but ive played it to a point of exhaustion and boredom ngl

might drop it again for a few months until i feel like playing it again

[solar wind]

This is the first Supergiant game I've played, but I think I'm going to check out some more of theirs

[grand crystal]

yeaa the others are amazing too

i love transistor, and i played bastion when i was younger so i have a more sentimental attachment to the game

[pallid hearth]

You mean run 102 like 102 hades defeated or 102 runs total

[grand crystal]

total

ive beat him like 80 of those times i think

[pallid hearth]

Dang

[grand crystal]

not too sure tho, id have to check admin chamber

my essentially 2 years of hades experience lets me do this and even then im not that great compared to some people here

like i see 50 heat and im just start sweating since i can barely manage 32 sometimes

[pallid hearth]

Oh I thought I had more runs, just at run 38 apparently. Killed hades 16 times so far, but i'm a noob on godmode and I killed myself on purpose 10 times to get some resistance

[grand crystal]

optimal ofc

i play on hell mode

the base game became too easy tbh and hell mode isnt that bad either

so now i play on like 16 generally, since thats where my bounties are at

[pallid hearth]

How do we unlock hell mode?

[grand crystal]

you should just have it right out of the gate

like when you go to make a file there should be a little box under the file slot that says "hell mode"

idk if you can turn it on in an already non-hell mode file tho

[hollow hawk]

you cant

i wouldnt recommend hell mode

it doesnt make the game more difficult at all tbh

it just makes it more annoying imo

by giving you heat options earlier

[grand crystal]

yea its just a mandatory 5 heat

i mean having early heat is nice ngl

[hollow hawk]

if you want a more difficult game or a challenge, just try to go for skelly statues

[grand crystal]

lets me grind faster

[grand crystal]

lol

[hollow hawk]

id rather just have a normal save file that is maxed

rather than starting a new one

[hollow hawk]

yeah its the way i kept myself entertained

ngl

32 heat grind is real

32x6 (32 heat on all weapons) or 32x24 (32 heat on all aspects) is pretty difficult

[grand crystal]

but hell mode is hard labor 1, jury summons 1, lasting consequences 1, calisthenics program 1, and personal liability

[hollow hawk]

that doesnt do much

[solar wind]

32 heat???? how the hell?????

[grand crystal]

im trying 32 on all weapons

[hollow hawk]

when you can turn those on on your normal save

[grand crystal]

i have 1/2 of em done

[hollow hawk]

same

[wide bison]

I just beat the third boss for the first time and I almost killed hades

1/3 of health

First playthrough

[hollow hawk]

nice! you shouldnt be in this channel though, it has spoilers

[grand crystal]

i honestly never turn on hard labor or lasting consequences so hell mode has gotten me used to the first level of it

[wide bison]

I don’t mind spoilers lol

[hollow hawk]

you should be in #h1-for-new-players

[hushed schooner]

hey working on something if anyone has any thoughts

[hollow hawk]

why the hell do you not turn on HL and LC if youre doing 32

[hushed schooner]

lemme get the link

[hollow hawk]

what is it

[grand crystal]

well...

i dont wanna get hurt bad

[hushed schooner]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zOutYHfGnhBP9uRYeD_FDeVOvjS8fdLOAIIdZ9slvb0/edit?usp=sharing

[hollow hawk]

lc is easy to get used to

[hushed schooner]

making up rules for randomised challenge runs of hades

by dice

if anyone has any ideas or thoughts on what i have so far

[hollow hawk]

this reminds me, there was a mod recently that is related to randomization too

[pallid hearth]

Yeah I checked, can't turn on hell mode on an already made file

[grand crystal]

my general setup for 32 is like hl1, lc1, js3, cp2, cf2, em2, mm, bp2, fo2, hs, td2, dc2, pl, and i could be missing some

[hollow hawk]

that is.. a bad setup

the optimal setup is pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies

cp2 makes bosses hard

js3 makes rooms hard

[grand crystal]

well...

ive been fine so far

[hollow hawk]

td2 makes it all very hard

with the combinations you have

[grand crystal]

and i almost did fist first try on it

[hollow hawk]

well if it works for you thats great

but just saying, thats a bad setup

[grand crystal]

i used to take ri1 :3

[hollow hawk]

fo2 at 32 is also dangerous af

lmao

[grand crystal]

yea my bow run was with ri1

since i thought "its just manipulation, i dont need the bottom 3" but now i know

[hollow hawk]

there was someone in #h1-victory-boasting a few days earlier that did 40 heat with basically max everything, but without td and hard labor

they did like a 40 min run

their friend's first 32 heat clear was 90 mins long

[grand crystal]

ummm for the keepsakes whats the point of rolling the d10 since you already roll a d100

[hushed schooner]

ok so

the way that works

[grand crystal]

my mind jumps to dnd and thinks d100 is literally just 2d10 but one of them is the weird 10 increment one

[hushed schooner]

a d100 has 10 sides

options go from 0 to 90

in tens

so you roll that for the broader thing

[grand crystal]

yea yea ik how d100's work, just the added d10 note isnt necessary if people already know what d100 means

[pallid hearth]

Yo I gave an ambriosa to charon and a new icon appeared on the well of charon keepsake, what does that do? Any point in even giving ambriosa to charon since he doesn't talk

[hushed schooner]

then you roll the d10 and add to it

[hollow hawk]

nothing

[grand crystal]

the 10 sided by 10 is just a d10

[hollow hawk]

to both questions

the answer is nothing

[pallid hearth]

Rip

[hollow hawk]

you get a cute emoji

and something in your codex

its a pretty decent use of ambrosia when you dont need it anymore

[hushed schooner]

well i mean like

[grand crystal]

o-o my 32 clears are like 23 ish

[hushed schooner]

this is going by percentile die you could just randomise a number from 1-100

[pallid hearth]

I mean I don't even have a single companion, I should work on that

[hollow hawk]

yes

you very much should

[grand crystal]

i mean i am just griping over semantics, ik what you meant but since i play dnd its generally just "roll a d100" and not "d100 + 1d10"

[hushed schooner]

also stop pinging me

i'm right here in chat

[pallid hearth]

Which companion is the best?

[unborn remnant]

a run where everything is completely random

[hushed schooner]

well i'm presuming that not everyone here will understand it that way

[unborn remnant]

but even more so

no choices

Random weapon, aspect, keepsake, boons, room selection, etc

[hushed schooner]

yeah

thats what this is

[unborn remnant]

i see

[hushed schooner]

anyone have any idea for how to randomise going into erebus / chaos gates

maybe as like

part of the room choices rolls

alright well i think i have how to randomise most things on there

[manic moat]

what if we randomised whether or not to fish 😳

[hushed schooner]

sure

50/50 for if you can fish if you find a fishing spot

ok well i'm not going to randomise mirror of night for this run but i am going to now test run this

alright lets start rolling

not doing the mirorr but

stygian blade

aspect of zag

at least i got shady

[viscid fern]

pick randomly between any of the exits of the room, so if you have two room choices and a chaos gate, you have a 1/3 chance of rolling the gate

for fishing could do it on chamber number

if even, fish

just to keep things simple

but its not airtight so might as well rng it

[solar wind]

To get Dusa's heart event, do you have to add in the fireplace, or will just random renovations in the lounge work?

[viscid fern]

any renovations and cerberus fur afaik

[solar wind]

Mk!

[viscid fern]

wiki says as well if you wanna double check

[short geyser]

do blade rift duo bonuses apply to areas aid as well as the cast?

[viscid fern]

@solar wind must include a rug apparently lol

[dusky wedge]

If you’re referring to Black Metal, yes, it includes everything Ares has that makes Blade Rifts

[sour storm]

Hey all 🙂 Hope y'all are having a fine evening. Been loving Hades lately, and was wondering if anyone have created a bingo chart for it? In addition anyone know the probability of a charon fight / exact probability of finding a fish?

I was toying with the idea of a 4x4 or 5x5 board where you try to get a row / column / diagonal as fast as possible. A link to the past does this a lot. However, some programming / testing would be needed to obtain rough estimates for how long each box would take on average. So how long would "5 fish" vs "EM 4" vs "1000 gold" etc

[hollow hawk]

Charon fight is 1/3 chance in every mid-biome shop (shop that is not before the final boss of a region)

fishing chance is more complex

it has a cooldown of like 10 chambers or so

And in styx the chances get messy

@sour storm

I like your idea though, relating unrelated things

[sour storm]

But roughly every 10 chambers then, you could affect it with poseidon and wells as well

[hollow hawk]

Poseidon's huge catch legendary makes it flat 20% iirc

And removes the cooldowns

And yeah I forgot about Wells

[sour storm]

But yeah, the idea is just to obtain a ballpark on how tough / how long something takes to accomplish such that very very roughly the rows and columns takes about the same time. Not sure what sort of goals would be fun to try to accomplish in a row though

[hushed schooner]

update on the rando run

at styx

my build is awful but somehow i have over 300 hp

[hollow hawk]

lmao

Just tank the entire dad fight lol

[hushed schooner]

i have doom on main and special

primary

on zag blade

its not very good

[sour storm]

How much heat chloe?

[hushed schooner]

i don't even have a call

7

i rolled 2d4 for heat so

its not lower than my usual heat to be clear also i usually go around that level rn

[sour storm]

I feel like the difficuly does not scale linearly with heat

[hushed schooner]

you mean that's its exponential?

[sour storm]

I dont now :p I feel like its flat until around 7 or 8. Just take whatever and you are fine. Then boom huge jump for 9, then it flattens out again until 12-15 range. And sharply increases again for 20

[supple lodge]

I accidentally called Hypnos "Than". I've officially peaked as a Hades player

[grand crystal]

lmao

[short geyser]

if i romance thanatos does it lock me out of anything?

[grand crystal]

nope

[sour storm]

I mean they are brothers, and similar like two drops of water. Easy to mix em

[supple lodge]

the brothers, Thanatos, and Unromanceable Thanatos

[grand crystal]

lol

[sour storm]

Dont kink shame my Hypnos crush

Dont be sleeping on Hypnos he is a real romantic

[grand crystal]

oh yea have any of yall gotten the meg and than room scene

like

they're both there

[supple lodge]

my bad, let me correct myself: Thanatos and the Cooler Thanatos

[grand crystal]

because it happened to me and it genuinely scared me

[supple lodge]

hypnos favour might take longer

because of how the game goes through dialogue

doing the romance route: more dialogue in the pool

[sour storm]

What are the hardest pacts of punishments when maxed?

Routine Inspection?

[grand crystal]

yeaaa ri is pretty hard, people try not to take ri1 at high heat

fo2 is also kinda annoying ngl

[trail plover]

I love this game so much. ;a;

[grand crystal]

it is a very good game

much like anything sgg makes

[stiff trellis]

Forced overtime is probably overall the hardest

Although sometimes benefits package can have some catastrophic combinations if your luck is particularly bad

[grand crystal]

hehe i have bp war flashbacks

like fast high damage baby hydras when i dont have a deflect

[stiff trellis]

Ngl I'm still not using most of the pacts yet

[grand crystal]

with js3

[stiff trellis]

Because I always go extreme measures becuase I actually really enjoy the EM fights

ESPECIALLY EM4

Some of the most fun I've had in the game by far

Also rip that combo

[grand crystal]

i still need to get good at em3

and like tbh its only last phase em4 thats hard.

[stiff trellis]

Yeah

That being said

Hades suddenly being able to deal 50 or 100 damage if you're not careful

Oof

As well as the end of phase 2 making me insanely happy

Speaking of which, I checked and I don't think there's special hypnos dialogue for dying to that

I wish there was

But also

I actually really like the EM fights

Except for EM2

That one is just more annoying

But that fits the hydra pretty well

[viscid fern]

em2 with fists

game design

[stiff trellis]

With the right boons fists can clear that fight lightning fast

[viscid fern]

other than hydra i think the em fights are absolutely fantastic

[stiff trellis]

Same!

[viscid fern]

i see what you did there

[stiff trellis]

Eyy

Ironically my favourite fist build isn't actually zeus

[viscid fern]

hades em4 is my favourite non-fromsoft boss i think

[stiff trellis]

It's the dash blitz build

[viscid fern]

what's that

[stiff trellis]

Basically

The hammer and boons you need?

Rolling knuckle

Which is the ome that adds dash strike to attack cycle

Rush delivery

Hyper dash

[viscid fern]

yeah actually what does that mean

[stiff trellis]

So basically

When you do your normal attack

At the end of the punch combo it adds the sweep dash attack

It also increases the dash attack by 60%

[viscid fern]

aha

[stiff trellis]

Then you get rush delivery and hyper dash

Rush delivery gives damage based on move speed

Hyper dash doubles move speed after dashing and gives sturdy

Pair that up with aphro attack and a well-built hermes keepsake

And you're not only a dodgetank

But also a proper tank when you eventually get hit

While simultaneously doing double damage at all times

I just kinda face tank a lot of hits in the last two boss fights because even if it does hit the damage is so lowered that it means very little

Long story short

Zag fist dash builds are some of the dumbest and most fun builds for me

Actually zag fist builds in general

[karmic trellis]

what does the little hades symbol above someone when you hit them with aspect of hades spin attack mean?

[vale kite]

u deal more damage to them with your attack or your special as long as it's there

[karmic trellis]

ok

[brisk trail]

Why is chaos smiling like that

[grand crystal]

why not

hes happy

let chaos be happy and show it through a smile

[brisk trail]

What happens if i crack open chaos’ egg and put it on a pan with a little oil and salt and fried it

[silk swan]

then you can get fried chaos egg.

[karmic trellis]

make sure to add a little garlic powder

[half zephyr]

I’ve always viewed his egg as a faberge egg

That maybe there’s some treasure inside

[leaden shore]

I have officially opted to (almost) never take anvils

[unborn remnant]

good choice

[half zephyr]

I only take the anvil if I ended up w 2 trash upgrades anyway

[leaden shore]

My flurry shot died for relentless volley

I cri everytim

[half zephyr]

Sad

I got great return once

Can’t remember what

But it was exactly what I’d been wanting the whole run

[leaden shore]

I completely forget which weapon that's for

[half zephyr]

No

It’s not an upgrade

I meant I got a great return from the anvil when it took my 1 random upgrade

[leaden shore]

Ooooooh gotcha

[half zephyr]

The 2 it gave me were great

[leaden shore]

Smol brain

I would've been fine with giving up triple shot but it gave up flurry

Sad

[half zephyr]

Much sad

[half zephyr]

[leaden shore]

Thank :,)

I have officially concluded that dad with forced overtime isn't cool

[grand crystal]

hehe yea

i also find it annoying, the startup is non-existent

[leaden shore]

specifically the highest level of forced overtime

i had no idea what i was getting into lol

[edgy flicker]

I would just like to thank darren korb for his sick metal riffs

[leaden shore]

same

[edgy flicker]

also I'm pretty sure the starting animation in the Hades fight exists primarily to A: instill fear and B: instill even more fear by demonstrating just how fast he's moving with FO2 when you put it on

[leaden shore]

i find myself humming every song at least once per day

During the into animation im like "ok cool its just hades i'll be fine" and then he starts moving at lightning speed

[edgy flicker]

"ok cool its just hades i'll be fine"
Azelfie, 2021-2021

[leaden shore]

yup

also i believe the skulls blow up faster

so that's also fun

[grand crystal]

^^^no its still 5 seconds

i do 32 with fo2

[leaden shore]

i feel like the timer moves quicker

dunno

[half zephyr]

Stress

[grand crystal]

i mean like code wise it makes no sense as to why

[leaden shore]

i think im just stressed from turbo dad

[grand crystal]

hehe yea

[half zephyr]

You can’t pay as much attention to them

So to you they just suddenly blow up

[grand crystal]

i already dont :3

i need to start playing with em4 and fo2 to get used to it

[half zephyr]

[leaden shore]

also i have damage control 2 as well

[grand crystal]

might just do runs of just those

[leaden shore]

never gonna kill any skulls ever

[grand crystal]

dc2 isnt bad

[leaden shore]

it isnt

[half zephyr]

[leaden shore]

but with turbo dad and the skulls its interesting

also do the shockwaves move faster or am i making that up

[grand crystal]

this gave me several emotions, maybe even took me through the 5 stages of grief

[half zephyr]

[grand crystal]

no its still the same i think

his casts are a seperate object unnaffected by fo2

[leaden shore]

turbo dad be messin with my brain

[half zephyr]

I got so many emoji - I gotta use em at some point

[grand crystal]

lol

[leaden shore]

cries in no nitro

[grand crystal]

i might do 32 for all weapons before i try to really get optimal

[half zephyr]

Oh!!

It’s my nitro anniversary today

[leaden shore]

gl

[half zephyr]

Happy 2 years

[grand crystal]

happy anniversary??

[leaden shore]

i'll do that when i'm better at video games

[grand crystal]

lol

[half zephyr]

[grand crystal]

im not good at the game

carried by weapon tbh

[leaden shore]

bow moment

me like bow

[grand crystal]

lol i did the 32 with chiron

i love bow

best weapon

[leaden shore]

bow gang

[grand crystal]

most cool aspects

bow gang

[leaden shore]

yeh

[half zephyr]

I don’t understand half my emoji

But I’m sure I can find a use for them in here

[grand crystal]

i am now a member of bow gang

[half zephyr]

I am most certainly not

[leaden shore]

zag: "im stuck"

dad: "you're stuck"

[grand crystal]

yk its really scary doing 32 heat, and i have fo2 and hs on

[half zephyr]

[grand crystal]

so if i get touched by fast dad hitting pots i just die

hence why i dont play with hl above the hell mode req

[leaden shore]

32 heat is the equivalent of 50/20 mode in ultimate custom night

[half zephyr]

You do your scary heat stuff & I’ll stay wrapped safely in my duvet

[leaden shore]

have fun

[grand crystal]

no, not at all 0-0

[half zephyr]

[grand crystal]

50/20 is worse

32 isnt actually that bad

i can get to hades consistantly

[grand crystal]

ill stay wrapped in the burning heat of 32

and maybe 40 sometime soon

[half zephyr]

[grand crystal]

i mean rama is busted and can prob carry me

since i tried 40 with a garbage chiron build and still got to hydra

and i stopped caring in asphodel

[leaden shore]

yea hyperbole lol

[wise sparrow]

i get the fates and furies mixed up a lot

[leaden shore]

also that's the most death defies ive used in a long time

[wise sparrow]

i thought they are the same people for a long time

[leaden shore]

i mean there's three of each and they're all gorls

[grand crystal]

sometimes i misread fury as furry and wonder what meg, alecto, and tis have for fursonas

[wise sparrow]

[half zephyr]

Bats

Different kinds of bats

[grand crystal]

hehe alecto is a vampire bat

tis would be a fruit bat ngl

and meg would be a generic bat

[copper canopy]

I have some bad news

I noticed I’ve been playing Hades less and less.

[grand crystal]

i have to :/

im getting burnt out ngl

[half zephyr]

Easiest way is to remember they all have different names

[grand crystal]

played it too much

might drop it for another month or 2 until i get the energy back

[half zephyr]

I’ve been playing less cuz I’m busy irl >.<

But I wanna just sit down & do runs

I also really wanna play my other games which is much sad

It’s like a constant game of “who’s my favorite child today? Who will get all my undivided time & attention this time?”
🥺

[grand crystal]

lol

hades is becoming that child im done raising

[half zephyr]

Kick it out of the nest

[copper canopy]

Well I mean I’ve done almost everything possible in Hades.

[half zephyr]

Did you start doing self imposed challenges yet?

[copper canopy]

All thats left is bounties 16-20 on all weapons(I could do it but haven’t felt like it) and all Resource Director titles

[copper canopy]

Absolutely

[half zephyr]

You can always take a break

[grand crystal]

i need those, all aspects maxed, maxed mirror, contractor :3

[half zephyr]

Hades will be there to welcome you back

[grand crystal]

and i dont have the energy

i feel like im done

just with the game

[copper canopy]

No he won’t

[grand crystal]

played it for the 2 years in early access

[copper canopy]

Oh wait the game

[half zephyr]

I have 1 stupid upgrade to the mirror left

Last level of fated authority

So annoying

[half zephyr]

Ye

The game XD