h1-discussion

[uncut ore]

just purged a legendary boon

[copper canopy]

If you’re playing on Steam, that’d net you an achievement.

[uncut ore]

yeah

[half zephyr]

Just listen for the right bob

[uncut ore]

YEAH

its so hard

like

it isnt hard

but stressful

what if I mess up?

[half zephyr]

Then you don’t get a fish?

That’s it

[wet orchid]

big tip is dont focus on the fishing rod

[half zephyr]

It’s only as stressful as you yourself make it

[wet orchid]

look at a place where its just on the side of your eyes

so you'll only notice the flash of light

[half zephyr]

I don’t look at the screen at all XD

[wet orchid]

that could be too if you have great hearing

but that's what I do when fishing on animal crossing

I literally just listen

[half zephyr]

I never even knew there was a flash until I saw people talking about it in here

[half zephyr]

SAME

It’s so much more stressful in there

[uncut ore]

nice tip

[half zephyr]

Hades has relaxed fishing kinda like Pokémon

[uncut ore]

fishing in video games is either insnaely boring or insanely stressful adrenalin pumping

[uncut ore]

what no

[half zephyr]

Compared to Acnh

[wet orchid]

. . . .

. . . .

[half zephyr]

I hate fishing in acnh cuz shadows

[wet orchid]

oh yea its really annoying to place it just right

[half zephyr]

Will it be the right one? Was it all for nothing? Is this the last seasonal needed before it rolls over tomorrow??

[wet orchid]

A pokemon's on the hook!

[half zephyr]

Hades is just relaxing

[wet orchid]

I've stopped playing animal crossing now

[half zephyr]

Same

Too stressful

[wet orchid]

went through denial and just accepted maybe relaxing games just isnt for me

[half zephyr]

Anyways another tip for Hades fishing - turn up the audio when you do it

[wet orchid]

I have 175 hours on hades and still have not completed the fishes

[half zephyr]

I have

Was only the sturgeon that avoided me forever

Got it some 20h back or so

Gametime wise

[wet orchid]

I just miss fishing spots constantly

||hurry up there's a deadline||..... wait there was a fishing spot

[half zephyr]

So annoying since I had to beat hades for the surface spots

And then also hope there’d be a surface spot

[wet orchid]

oh yea surface and chaos room

wait I don't ||fight Charon much|| is there a fishing spot there?

[half zephyr]

Haven’t seen one

[desert meadow]

I'm only missing one fish and it's the legendary from chaos, I may need to try for Poseidon's legendary that increases fish spots

But it's not stressful once you get the timing down

[half zephyr]

Gotta be faster faster really really faster

[desert meadow]

Eh, I've only fished there 3 times

Got the common twice and the rare once

It's more it won't let me fish then I suck at it

[wet orchid]

I play lots of rhythm games so I think my reaction time is fairly good so perfect catch isnt really that hard

[half zephyr]

Worst bobs are the 1st ones

I’m never prepared for it to be real on the first bob

[wet orchid]

also tip is to just not press it one time press it multiple times like you're panicking when you see that flash of light

brought to you by someone who used to play with joycons with a faulty shoulder R button

[half zephyr]

[hearty bramble]

i miss fishing at ||mom's place, sad that you cant go again after she comes home|| :(

[desert meadow]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[half zephyr]

Eh

I don’t need that place

I just want the sun over the ocean

[hearty bramble]

oh that too

[half zephyr]

I didn’t really care about moms place

[hearty bramble]

past final boss is so pretty just to walk around in

[copper canopy]

I never got that as a spot, just the ||pond on the path there around the cliff||

[copper canopy]

My first time beating the final boss, I purposely walked the entire time to take it all in, only to learn later that apparently you’re forced to walk in that segment anyways.

[hearty bramble]

ye zag walks super slow for like the first time haha

[karmic trellis]

||charon is the scariest thing in this game||

||I'ma start calling him "Death Defiance Waster"||

[covert mason]

Does anyone know how achievements work if I originally played on Switch but wanted to get the PC version and link my save? Since Switch has no achievement system, would I have to actually earn them again on PC, or does the game somehow keep track of it even if the Switch doesn't have them?

[half zephyr]

He’s a cutiepie

And you just gotta get right weapon/aspect & he’s super easy

[narrow hemlock]

Achievements should be retroactive, to a certain point. Anything that can only be completed once per save file (typically narrative type things) should trigger achievements on pc when you load into your file, anything that can be done at any point (like greater call or thanatos keepsake and so on) will have to be done again

[karmic trellis]

I still beat him, because i'm a gamer.

[copper canopy]

||Unironically|| agreed

[copper canopy]

But can you do it without getting hit at all? I did it once.

[grand crystal]

its honestly not a hard fight

its only slow projectiles and a big oar slap that isnt as big as it seems

[half zephyr]

I feel bad when I use Arthur against him

[karmic trellis]

that an aspect?

[half zephyr]

Hidden one ye

[grand crystal]

(i still wish it was susano'o and not arthur but like <3 sgg and their decisions)

[half zephyr]

But then it wouldn’t be Excalibur

[grand crystal]

excalibur is boring

and tbh not a fan of the hades version of it

too bright

[half zephyr]

I don’t look at the sword

[grand crystal]

i-

its the size of zag

how dont you

its attacks are l a r g e

[half zephyr]

I just imagine they’re talking about Arthur from Monty Python Holy Grail

[grand crystal]

lol

[half zephyr]

Makes it all much more fun

[karmic trellis]

How do you unlock the hidden aspects? if it story related still tell me because i kknow there is more story but i just want to meet mommy more.

[half zephyr]

Look in pinned in #h1-story-discussion

[karmic trellis]

mmm

[half zephyr]

It’s the 3rd or smth

Just scroll down in there

[karmic trellis]

holy crap that's a lot of spoiler tag

ight i'm going in

[half zephyr]

It’s all the unlocks

Need varatha first

Guan Yu

[grand crystal]

^^which is kinda wack ngl

gy poo poo

like i get that its the first one they came out with and its from achilles so like he gives a moderate explanation

but still

[karmic trellis]

||aspect of lucifer || ooh scary

[grand crystal]

its not good 😔

kinda dog water aspect

[half zephyr]

I got both Merciful End & Deadly Reversal

[grand crystal]

but then thats how i feel about all hiddens that arent bow

[grand crystal]

o_o

[half zephyr]

Plus splitting headache

[grand crystal]

what weapon

[half zephyr]

My hangover comes from my dash

Arthur

[grand crystal]

i-

oh

thats

yea

ok

[half zephyr]

[grand crystal]

calm down please

i never get runs like that

its too much

aaa

[hollow hawk]

Merciful end Arthur what the

[half zephyr]

My deflect is on special & cast

[desert meadow]

Rama may be best hidden aspect but Arthur and Gilga are fun if you know what you're doing.

[half zephyr]

And doom is on attack

[hollow hawk]

lucifer is the most fun hidden aspect for me tbh

[half zephyr]

This is a very fun run

[desert meadow]

I need to give it another try

[hollow hawk]

second is probably rama, third being beo

[half zephyr]

For me it’s Arthur so far but I’ve only tried Arthur & Guan Yu

[hollow hawk]

Lucifer with dio or zeus attack is amazing

[grand crystal]

the only fun run i had with it was live water gun

[half zephyr]

Need more blood

[desert meadow]

I've heard sea storm on lucifer is good?

[hollow hawk]

super soaker

Its called

[grand crystal]

yep

[hollow hawk]

It's not good dmg wise, its just fun

[grand crystal]

it just shreds

[hollow hawk]

Best dmg on lucy is probably zeus attack

best room clear dmg, that is

[paper matrix]

i have yet to try lucifer, ive had it unlocked just havent used it yet

[grand crystal]

i feel like luci is too rare boon dependent

you need duos and legendaries

[paper matrix]

seems like a lotta fun

[hollow hawk]

No you dont

Zeus attack Lucy literally wants nothing else

[half zephyr]

Oh ye

[grand crystal]

it feels so weak without a legendary or duo tho

[half zephyr]

I also got Hermes Stygian legendary

[hollow hawk]

What duo is good with lucy then?

[grand crystal]

sea storm is very good on luci

[desert meadow]

I'll take Zeus' keepsake for my next Lucifer run then

[hollow hawk]

apart from sea storn

[half zephyr]

And the epic version of the speedy recovery thing

[hollow hawk]

Storm*

[half zephyr]

For bloodstone

It’s a very fun run

[hollow hawk]

Sea storm is literally just zeus attack but with knockback lol

[grand crystal]

i mean curse of nausea + low tolerance

[desert meadow]

Heart rend?

[hollow hawk]

what

How are you even going to make arty work with lucy lol

[grand crystal]

i mean damage ramping

could work

[desert meadow]

Crits are always nice so is it worth trying or?

[hollow hawk]

meh

Wine lucy is much more fun

And it doesnt really need a duo imo

Zeus Lucy doesn't want anything except zeus boons

Maybe Zeus legendary, but thats just supplementary really

[grand crystal]

i mean dire misfortune could be fun

[hollow hawk]

Also, use your special on lucy when enemies are spawning

[grand crystal]

but that works on every rail besides hestia

[half zephyr]

Poor dad

[weary yacht]

Would it be possible for supergiants and hi-rez to do a cross over where they added hades inspired skins to smite?

[indigo ginkgo]

I don't like the hidden bow aspect

[restive cave]

is there anything special about the god boons that cost 450 at styx

[winter harbor]

higher rarity

[grand crystal]

yea, guaranteed rarities and for poms/hearts it counts as 2 of em

[restive cave]

does the amount of boons that you have for a particular god have any impact on whether or not youll find a legendary from that god

[copper canopy]

Sort of. There’s prerequisite boons from that god you’ll need before they offer it.

[craggy barn]

it actually depends on which boons you get

you can check for prerequisites in the codex

[copper canopy]

After you buy the upgrade that unlocks it of course(which you should have by this point)

[craggy barn]

gods' legacy doesn't necessarily unlock duos/legendaries

it just makes them more likely to appear

[copper canopy]

That said, I always use it.

[restive cave]

yeah i always have the duo/legendary mirror buff maxed out lol

Megaera from this game and the Megaera from disney's hercules, do they both draw reference from a common figure in greek mythology?

[winter harbor]

No, they're different people

Heracles didn't marry a fury

[grand crystal]

yea i find the fact that megaera in hercules is named megaera kinda dumb

[winter harbor]

I think he went on his labors specifically so he wouldn't anger the furies

[restive cave]

in the movie i think its spelled Megara

but i know disney likes to make a ton of creative liberties in their storytelling in regards to historical events

or in this case mythological lol

[half zephyr]

I mean, he was named Hercules & everything was greek

[winter harbor]

Yes, Hercules is his Roman name

[half zephyr]

Mhmm

[grand crystal]

it just bothers me whenever disney doesnt research, or any company for that matter

[winter harbor]

Hades is always the bad guy

He's much closer to the Addams Family, since he didn't like cheat on his wife

[half zephyr]

Often they just change things - Frozen is based on a danish fairy tale set in Norway that’s completely different from how the movie turned out

Won’t say more then that tho as it’s the wrong chat for it

[winter harbor]

Apparently 'Let It Go' inspired a large change in plot, since it made Elsa way too sympathetic

[half zephyr]

I’m gonna try heat 11 on rail next time I play

Slightly scared much excited

Don’t wanna die

[grand crystal]

i did 32 a couple nights ago, it was fun :3

rail is just fun ngl

[half zephyr]

Yes I’m not at that stage of madness yet

[grand crystal]

lol

[half zephyr]

I’m still on the “I want to keep my streak while it lasts” stage

It’s over 30!!

[grand crystal]

at least im not like some masochists doing 50 heat

[grand crystal]

niice, i had a streak like that once and then did a high heat

was very sad

[half zephyr]

Exactly

10 is my current highest XD

[craggy barn]

you're gonna lose your streak when you get to 32

[half zephyr]

So 11 is next lol

[craggy barn]

it's only a matter of time 🙂

[half zephyr]

A long time

[grand crystal]

since i play on hell mode at this point all of my weapons are at 16

[half zephyr]

I don’t want to do 32

[grand crystal]

so if i ever want bounties i have to play on kinda high heat

[half zephyr]

The only reason I’ll even do it is for that stupid statue

[grand crystal]

its a good statue tho ngl

[half zephyr]

No spoil

[grand crystal]

and the dialogue is funny

very worth

[half zephyr]

Yes yes but pain

[grand crystal]

i wont :3

tbh 32 isnt as hard as i expected

[half zephyr]

I’m not like Skelly

[grand crystal]

like as long as you dont get screwed with bp2 or just garbage boons you should be fine

[half zephyr]

I don’t like dying over & over all the time >.>

Only sometimes

[grand crystal]

sometimes

[half zephyr]

Mhmm

Sometimes

Gotta get that dialogue going

[restive cave]

how long does it take to romance nyx ffs

[half zephyr]

R

Romance???

[crude pasture]

You alright down there?

[half zephyr]

Your foster mom?

[grand crystal]

you cant

[restive cave]

hey anybody remember the dexter final season

the abomination

[half zephyr]

You can make her trust you sure

No

[grand crystal]

does it matter tho?? like nyx is just hot

[half zephyr]

I haven’t seen dexter in ages

[half zephyr]

I’m not into ladies

She’s pretty

But I like her for being the night

[crude pasture]

By that logic, you should also be able to romance Hypnos

[grand crystal]

you can romance than so like :3

[winter harbor]

But Nyx is hotter

[half zephyr]

She has stars in her hair

[restive cave]

barry allen romances his foster sister

[winter harbor]

Goth mom best

[half zephyr]

Than is amazing

You can date death

[crude pasture]

The one thing that's impossible to Greek gods

[crude pasture]

I'm mildly offended if you think that's close enough /j

[half zephyr]

Fidelity?

[crude pasture]

No, death

[grand crystal]

lol but i mean than was seen to zag as a brother pre plot so like :3

[half zephyr]

Well

I guess

[half zephyr]

Not sure he was

Like properly

Their dialogue is like

Not brotherly

Plus siblings is different in the myths anyways

You can always date your sibling

[crude pasture]

More like "I understand what you're trying to do and might help, but I still hate your guts"

[half zephyr]

Mhmm

But also that he’s just mad for him even wanting to leave

[grand crystal]

i mean im talking about before the "persephone is his actual mom" deal, like before he learned that

he was raised as a brother to hypnos and than wasnt he??

like i think theres dialogue with nyx where its brought up

[half zephyr]

Still a fact that it’s different with siblings in Greek myths

Depending on the origin story ofc

[restive cave]

zeus is the father of persephone, but his brother hades doesnt mind

[grand crystal]

i mean thats by myth

[half zephyr]

Demeter is their sibling too

[grand crystal]

a certain one

[restive cave]

lol yeah, just read it on the interwebs

[grand crystal]

i prefer the "demeter got with a human" spin

[half zephyr]

Not in hades ofc

[crude pasture]

You can't believe everything you read on the internet
-Abraham Lincoln

[half zephyr]

Hades has its own versions

[winter harbor]

they tactfully cut out the incest

[half zephyr]

But never try to make sense of mythology

There’s too many origin stories

And versions of the same tales

[grand crystal]

then zag barely exists in mythos

[half zephyr]

He’s the god of rebirth

[grand crystal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5brAr51ip_k

thats what all my knowledge of mythos zag comes from

[half zephyr]

Him & Dionysus is another ofc

[grand crystal]

i know literally nothing else

of actual mythos zag

[half zephyr]

https://greekmythology.wikia.org/wiki/Zagreus

[grand crystal]

god of hunting

[half zephyr]

[grand crystal]

is that why he and arte get along so well??

[half zephyr]

And mysteries

And rebirth

So him dying & coming back makes perfect sense

[grand crystal]

i still really felt good when i got the line when zag starts the run and it has the hades monologue + reaction and zag went "im the god of blood"

i was just like :o

[restive cave]

is there any crossover event in mythology where fenryr recruits cerberus and 2v1s odin

[half zephyr]

I’ll accept god of blood, but I like the god of rebirth

Hades does it’s own thing after all

[half zephyr]

Why would there be?

They all have different creations >.>

[restive cave]

idk flinstones and the jetsons did it

[half zephyr]

That’s cartoons..

Not old religions

[grand crystal]

i mean the way hades portrays different mythos is pretty neat and could allow for it ngl

since it fully accepts lucifer, rama, beowulf, and the others existed/will exist

but then again since world creation myths are all different idk

and thats hades, not the actual mythologies

[winter harbor]

Kinda disappointed they went with Guan Yu and not Sun Wukong for Chinese mythology

Then again, I don't know if Sun Wukong wielded any weapons

Wiki says he did and was very accomplished

[grand crystal]

im disappointed they went with arthur and not susano'o for sword ;w;(ik i keep mentioning it but it still bothers me, they went with the most overused legendary sword)

[narrow hemlock]

im sure they had their reasons

[half zephyr]

Maybe one of them really likes Arthurian legend

[narrow hemlock]

haha i meant more along the lines that im sure they discussed what legends they should use and why, the narrative stuff usually has some meaning and isnt added just to be added

i recall mention theres supposed to be some sort of theme with the 4th aspects but i dont think anyone ever figured it out

yeah here we go, this was the comment #ask-supergiant message

[copper canopy]

I think the theme is protagonists of entirely different mythologies than Greek Mythology

[narrow hemlock]

im not sure its as simple as that

[copper canopy]

I think it might be actually.

I say protagonists and not heroes because Lucifer is... yeah

[half zephyr]

The Lucifer thing gets complicated when you start to think about it

He either got free will & used it to rebel against god & was cast down for doing it, or everything happened according to gods will & he had no choice in rebelling as it was all a part of the big plan

The only link I see between the aspects is that they’re all heroes, kings or gods/similar, or a combination

[copper canopy]

I actually feel really bad for Lucifer if it’s the latter.

[unborn remnant]

hello

[marsh oar]

check out curse of the dead gods if you like hades sorta games

if hades is league of legends then that game is dota

[half zephyr]

I had the best duo combo earlier on Arthur

Merciful End + Deadly Reversal

[unborn remnant]

very cool

hows everyone

[copper canopy]

Best duo combo imo is Hunting Blades + Mirage Shot

[copper canopy]

Good thanks so much for asking~

[half zephyr]

I wasn’t talking in general

But I was really lucky & got 2 duos that both activate upon deflect

[copper canopy]

I know, I just wanted to contribute to the conversation and feel included...

[half zephyr]

Headache but otherwise great

[unborn remnant]

oh rough

feel better

@copper canopy its all good :)

you're included

[copper canopy]

[unborn remnant]

[unborn remnant]

gonna do a run

or resume one idk

lowkey, aspect of zeus is one of the coolest aspects in the game

[sudden ember]

@vivid dagger sorry for not responding in time, thanks a lot!

And btw I'm talking about the dialogue system question

[unborn remnant]

I'm gonna make a tier list of all the aspects

based on how much I like them

[desert meadow]

Is there a tiermaker page for that?

[umbral forge]

What is aspect of Zeus? Is it one of the locked ones?

[desert meadow]

Nope, it's the second non-zag shield aspect

[umbral forge]

Oh is it the one that throws multiple shields?

[unborn remnant]

thats chaos

[umbral forge]

Oh which is it

[hollow kettle]

it's the third one

[viscid fern]

Turns your special into a really slow multihit

And doesn't disable your attack

[chrome zephyr]

hello

so if i equip lambent plum that gives me 1% doge chance each time i quickly clear an encounter

does the effect go away when i switch it out later on in the same run ?

pls @ me if you know the answer

[half zephyr]

Yes

There’s some keepsakes where the effect goes poof when you switch them, and the plume is one of them

If you equip the plume it’s a full run commitment

[chrome zephyr]

@half zephyr thank you

[sharp turret]

Hi, does anyone know if the switch cart has the latest version of the game on it?

[charred anchor]

SHOUTOUT TO CHAOS

i have a hera cast build and i got +3 bloodstones from 3 different chaos boons

[grand crystal]

oh damn

thats good

whats the cast

[charred anchor]

aphrodite

[grand crystal]

epic

[hollow kettle]

I’ve realized it seems like I’ve gotten a clear with every aspect at least once except Guan Yu, so that’s my challenge for myself now

[grand crystal]

ive lost like 2 sword runs

and one of those is arthur

[copper canopy]

Next time get Blade Shot + Hunting Blades + Mirage Shot

Your God Gauge charges up crazy fast if you have extra bloodstones

[vivid dagger]

No biggie!! 👍

[vivid dagger]

To my understanding, Supergiant made sure to have everything up-to-date so they could release the Switch version. There are a couple of patches here an there to fix infrequent bugs and issues, but I think the whole game has a solid and polished structure by now

[sharp turret]

Oh for sure it does. I was just curious if that last big patch was on it

[narrow hemlock]

it says on the patch notes that it would come to switch at a later date but i do not own a switch myself so i cant verify if it has or not

[opaque socket]

i unlocked the first skelly prize and without knowing what it was i ended up laughing way too hard

[peak totem]

Hi everyone! I'm trying to do maths, but I'm really bad at maths. I'm trying to work out the chance of getting one of two specific daedalus hammer upgrades for the spear in any given run.

The upgrades I'm looking for are serrated point and exploding launcher

[tender fjord]

Which aspect are you using?

[peak totem]

aspect of zagreus

[tender fjord]

It will be different between aspects because Achilles and Guan Yu can't support some of the hammers

I'll give it a try

[peak totem]

well, achilles and guan yu can't get exploding launcher

[tender fjord]

that's a good point lol

[peak totem]

I've already done some of the calculations, just hold on a sec

[tender fjord]

do you want both of them in the same run?

or the chance for either one of them

[peak totem]

No, chance for either

I've realised it's a hell of a lot more complicated than I thought it would be. The percentages change drastically if you take specific upgrades. The notable ones that increase the chance of getting one of the two upgrades are flurry jab, which removes itself and the three spin upgrades from the pool of the second hammer, and the three spin upgrades, which remove themself and flurry jab from the pool.
The percentages I've worked out insofar are as follows;
a 100/220 chance that one of the upgrades are in the first hammer.
a 36/220 chance that I take flurry jab
a 64/220 chance that I take a spin upgrade
a 20/220 chance that I take another upgrade

For the second hammer;
36/56 chance of having one of them if I have flurry jab
64/120 chance if I have a spin upgrade
81/165 chance if I have another upgrade

This is as far as I've gotten.

[tender fjord]

ok let's see

I've gotten a probability if its the first hammer

the second one is gonna be harder because as you pointed out theres all these other cases to take into account

the chance i got to get it on the first hammer you get, asusming its aspect of zag*, is 5/11

[peak totem]

5/11?

[tender fjord]

my reasoning is : Probability of one of the 2 = 1 - Probability of none of the 2

there are 12 hammers you can get from zag aspect with no limitations

so that would be 1 - (10/12 * 9/11 * 8/10)

which got me 5/11

[peak totem]

I used https://www.omnicalculator.com/statistics/combination

With 12 possible objects and 3 sample size

[tender fjord]

ahh

combinations is a little different

in this case you're looking for all of the ones with at least one of 2 particular letters

[peak totem]

cause there are twelve boons, not counting the guan yu one

[tender fjord]

ye

[peak totem]

yeah, it did show that

Oh, you can't send images in this chat?

well

but anyway, I counted all the ones that included either a or b

[tender fjord]

how many were there?

[peak totem]

100

100/202

[tender fjord]

220*

the array is 11 by 20

so theres 220 total

[peak totem]

Wow

Apparently not only am I bad at maths, but reading too XD

[tender fjord]

nah all good

everyones got a weak point

so for the second hammer

it looks like we need to do cases

which is a little logner

but you've already started on that it looks like

[peak totem]

Yeah

I've got the individual fractions, I just need to combine them all

Which is a lot more complex than just adding them all

[tender fjord]

so

what you would do

wait lemme paste em down here

For the second hammer;
36/56 chance of having one of them if I have flurry jab
64/120 chance if I have a spin upgrade
81/165 chance if I have another upgrade

you do (chance of first hammer being flurry jab) * (probability of second one being x and y if first is flurry jab)

and the same for the rest

gimmea moment it sohuldnt take too long

because youve done the long and arduous part already

c:

[peak totem]

Yay

[tender fjord]

just checking - there are 2 spin upgrades?

[peak totem]

Fractions and percentages have always been my weak point TwT

3

[tender fjord]

3 i mean

yeah

i missed flaring spin

oh theres a couple more cases too

wait

there aren;t coz one of them is exploding launcher

my bad XD

[peak totem]

Yeah, I included that

a = serrated point, b = exploding launcher, c = flurry jab, d e f = the three spin upgrades.
What I did with the chances of geting the spin upgrades was I excluded all combinations that included a, b or c, because I wouldn't take a spin upgrade if one of those was an option. That's why the probability is lower on that one

[tender fjord]

so uh

i got a big number

[tender fjord]

yeah that sounds about right

this is for your preferences so do it by the way you decision-make

i ended up with 4751/9240

[peak totem]

yeah, but also that just maximises the chances of getting the two

[tender fjord]

which is a probability of about 51%

[peak totem]

ok

okok

That's about right, I would think

thank you! This has actually been eating at me a while XD

[tender fjord]

all good

PS, small miscalculation

actual answer is slightly closer to 52%

fraction of 799/1540

the reasoning behind it is:

in 1/10 of the first hammer cases you picked flurry jab
in 3/10 you picked a spin (Which might be a little off, but i did it with even distribution)
in 6/10 you picked something else

so 1/10 * 36/56 + 3/10 * 64/120 + 6/10 * 81/165 = 799/1540

anyways, hope this helps

[peak totem]

Ah. Thank you again. The spear is by far my favourite of the weapons, and those two hammers I've found to be exceptional

Specifically serrated point

The sheer dps is insane

[tender fjord]

[peak totem]

I think I've killed hades in under a minute with a particularly powerful run

[tender fjord]

woah

thats

really fast XD

[peak totem]

As in, the boss fight took a minute, not the run

Yeah

[tender fjord]

yeah

damn ok

i should give serrated edge a shot

the smaller dash has always scared me a little bit

[peak totem]

Aphrodite attack, Artemis dash, Artemis volley boon.

Oh, the dps is absolutely worth it

[tender fjord]

ahhh

ok i see the combo here

high % increases along with the flat damage from support fire

[peak totem]

Also, I've found I run into the lava in asphodel significantly less with a shorter dash

[tender fjord]

makes sense

sometimes when im comboing with fists i just find myself chillin in a lava pool from underestimating my dash

[peak totem]

Yeah. That's also why I tend to avoid taking any speed boost boons from hermes

At least before asphodel

I end up in the lava way too much

[tender fjord]

fair enough

[fast depot]

Just beat the boss for the third time

😵

[civic pendant]

Fated persuasion vs Fated Authority

[peak totem]

It really depends on whether you want specific boons or more boons

Or if you want a specific gods' boons

imo

[civic pendant]

I normally go persuasion, so I’ll roll with authority for a bit

[grand crystal]

yk, i look at thanatos, and im like cool scythe, but does it work??

like with the way the handle is shaped(and kinda thin) and the sheer girth of the blade

and than's able to one hand it

like either the scythe is dummy light, than is ripped, or game logic so why not

[crude pasture]

The scythe is just aesthetic, he has much better methods of killing you

[hollow kettle]

I mean I don’t think he actually wields it as a weapon, it’s more a symbolic thing

[crude pasture]

Yeah

[hollow kettle]

When we see him actually fighting in game he just like,,, looks at things and then they die

[grand crystal]

he like spins the scythe tho right??

for the animation

[hollow kettle]

I haven’t really seen but I guess

[marble olive]

After a boss the keepsake thing isn't there for me, do I need to complete something before accessing this? thankyou 🙂

[grand crystal]

yea you have to buy it from the contractor

and if you just started the contractor might take a couple runs to show up

[marble olive]

Thankyou I've been searching for ages -_-

[grand crystal]

yea ofc np

[hollow kettle]

I managed to get Black Out and Rip Current in the same run completing two prophecies simultaneously, now The Shield of Chaos and The Gift of Song are the only ones I have left

[grand crystal]

all i need is explosive throw for spear and the shotgun rail hammer

and thats it

[red jewel]

Okay here me out

Chthonic Companions

but they are marketable

[grand crystal]

but those chances are pretty low

[grand crystal]

YES

id love to buy mort

and anton

[red jewel]

I wanna buy Shady or Fidi

[grand crystal]

hehe fidi is just baby

[hollow kettle]

I need Charged Flight for the shield, I’ve just like never seen it before

[grand crystal]

yea ive seen exploding for spear like once, but since i use achilles a lot it literally cant show up :/

and i dont wanna use zag or hades aspect

but imma have to

and i never use rail so thats disappointing too that i have to

[hollow kettle]

Wait does charged flight like only show up for certain aspects

[peak totem]

I've found exploding launcher to be an excellent upgrade

[hollow kettle]

Because I normally default to Chaos, that might explain it

[grand crystal]

maybe, idk i just know some hammers dont show up for some weapons

[red jewel]

No, it shows up for all aspects

[hollow kettle]

Man

But I have gotten Zag’s lyre playing to a point where it’s starting to sound like actual notes

[grand crystal]

nice

once he starts playing bits of songs i think thats when you have it as high as possible

then you just wait for orphy to say some things

[hollow kettle]

If you do it multiple times per run does it count that

[red jewel]

Then keep playing it

[red jewel]

yes

[grand crystal]

yea its an overall count of how many times youve played it

to max it you need like 210

[hollow kettle]

I just sat there and pressed it like fifty times last time

[grand crystal]

yeaaa its overall, not in one sitting

because expecting us to press right shoulder 210 times

thats too much

for one sitting

[red jewel]

Well I did just that

because I wanted to see if orpheus would give me anything

[grand crystal]

i still want a mini game for the board game you can buy

its so disappointing when you get it and zag is just like "oh well"

because i wanted to play something ;w;

even if it was like that one skylanders mini card game

id be fine

[red jewel]

same qwq

[grand crystal]

:o

hear me out

what if

you could gamble

with the table

[red jewel]

👁👁

[grand crystal]

and you just like bet darkness and stuff

since zag is old enough i think

[red jewel]

And then you'd get something in return?

[grand crystal]

yeaaaa you get a multiplier for what you put in

[red jewel]

If he's old enough to gey stuff from dio
he's old enough to gamble

[grand crystal]

(excluding bounties tho since those take effort)

[red jewel]

Maybe

And I was thinking up of an alternative gamemode

that is basically an endless mode

endless mode/defence

[grand crystal]

hehe hades tower defense

[crude pasture]

GET IT AWAY FROM ME

[grand crystal]

itll be like bloons tower defense

but

hades

[crude pasture]

runs away from computer

[red jewel]

no, no-
well technically, but no

[crude pasture]

Plum is technically correct...

[carmine ravine]

Hades chess

[copper canopy]

Bag of plums

[red jewel]

In short
Zagreus is more powerful than he was before, being able to preselect hammers and god boons beforehand
but-

Sometimes, the goddess Tyche will come along and make things a bit more challenging, but more rewarding
by that, I mean adding some chaos curses periodically, except the ones that damage you when you attack and such.
As well as giving the enemies you face more benefits than the pop will allow over time

[grand crystal]

so like

that one dead cells thing

where you make the run

but with a built in chaos heat option

[copper canopy]

I just want lots of QoL improvements/additions and even more voice lines.

[grand crystal]

honestly i wish the in run convos with than ;w;

[red jewel]

Yes
but the chaos stuff isn't an option-

[grand crystal]

like i want him to stay and talk to me ;w;

[grand crystal]

ofc yea

but tbh chaos as a heat colud be cool

[copper canopy]

He’s busy

[grand crystal]

he wasnt before tho ;w;

[crude pasture]

And also not busy, at the same time

It's a creation thing

[copper canopy]

He’s always busy.

[grand crystal]

man hypnos was right

they do just need to kill all the mortals at the same time

[copper canopy]

NO

[grand crystal]

saves trips

[red jewel]

It could

but ehhhh
lets not add more to heat gauge

[grand crystal]

but i like making heat gauge cry

[copper canopy]

What if Hades finally figured out how to make the Underworld inescapable, and that’s by ||making every floor nothing but tons and tons of flamewheels||

[grand crystal]

but that is escapable

just use shield

and sit in a corner

[red jewel]

ye

[red jewel]

me too but still

[copper canopy]

Cheater

[grand crystal]

wh

its not cheating

athena dash also solves that

[copper canopy]

Not when you end up dashing into yet another flamewheel

[crude pasture]

No, he just fills Asphodel with magma

[red jewel]

and zeus cast

[red jewel]

excalibur

[grand crystal]

hehe no floor like c-side celeste

[copper canopy]

Then the shades can’t survive

[grand crystal]

only witches

[crude pasture]

Small price to pay

[pallid hearth]

Woo, got my first sub 20 minute run!

[crude pasture]

Also, they're already dead soooo

[copper canopy]

Now get sub 15

[copper canopy]

Eternally standing in magma and feeling the pain but never dying. Fun.

[crude pasture]

lol

[pallid hearth]

Probably can do it, I still don't have a companion and my twin fists are just lvl 3

[grand crystal]

oh yea speaking of times, is a 11:06.19 good on rama and hell mode??

like i have nothing really to compare it to

[copper canopy]

Sure

Sub 12 is the best Hermes title the game gives you

[grand crystal]

😎

[copper canopy]

There’s one for sub 15 and sub 12

[pallid hearth]

Sub 12 is... Very quick

[red jewel]

I tried to do a max heat run, despite how underprepared i am

[grand crystal]

how far did you get?

[grand crystal]

rama is a stupid weapon :3

makes the game easy

[red jewel]

5-6 chambers

[grand crystal]

lol

[red jewel]

It is truly just
hell

[pallid hearth]

Zagreus X Dusa, the heat is rising ♥️

[red jewel]

oh gods

unrelated question

does double strike work with zeus cast?

[humble lotus]

For the 10 clears do i have to do unique runs as in different heat or different weapons or can i just continuously redo it with the sheild?

[grand crystal]

no, double strike is for thunder, not the chain lighting that attack and cast cause

[grand crystal]

yea you can do the same stuff, as long as you win 10 runs, doesnt matter how

[humble lotus]

Oh so i can cheese it

[grand crystal]

mhm

if you want

thats what i do ngl

for freshfile, i get bow and then run bow for 10 runs

[red jewel]

Okay

because im having the most stupid hera run

[grand crystal]

hera do be stupid

[red jewel]

No i mean

I got 5 casts
flurry shot
chain shot
zeus cast
splitting bolt
mirage shot

if i had fully loaded, this would be perfect

Also I realized that I had an 18 minute run before

[olive wind]

off topic but I’m trying out the fists of malphon and it’s going better than I thought it would! I got zeus’ attack boon where it emits lightning when you attack and it seems to work well

I don’t have any ||aspects|| on it yet unfortunately, I’m saving up titan blood

[red jewel]

Nice!
And the aspects doesn't really change much, besides ||Gilgamesh||
Talos gives you a more range, and Demeter gives you extra kicks

[olive wind]

I see, I see

I died to Theseus unfortunately but it was definitely cool to try! I’ll probably try out the sword next per a friend’s request

[red jewel]

Yeh

[red jewel]

I wish flaring spin was affected by boons

[grand crystal]

lol that would be crazy tho

like 150% aphro

on the wave

[red jewel]

It would

but it'd be fun

[hollow kettle]

Are there any visible cues that Thanatos is about to appear before the flash of green light and everything

I feel like there’s been a few times now where I’ve entered a room and just gone “Oh, Than” like a half second before he actually shows up

[red jewel]

The gong sound and the screen becoming faintly green

that and zagreus mentioning him

[hollow kettle]

I mean before that

Maybe I’m just in tune with him or something but there’s been moments where like I just predict that he’s about to show up before it happens

[red jewel]

Ah
well no, I think

[grand crystal]

i mean the room takes a second for something to happen

so that could contribute

youre used to the pause before any of the effects happen

[hollow kettle]

I think it might just be like, any room where there are no enemies immediately visible when you enter

Because like he doesn’t always but I’m pretty sure when he appears it’s like that

[grand crystal]

or youve reached a connection with than that transcends the screen

who knows

[hollow kettle]

Mfw you walk into a room and go “ah yes, boyfriend vibes”

[short geyser]

any tips for getting to the surface with guan yu?

[zenith crown]

Does a god being offered in the shop mean it's in your boon pool?

[copper canopy]

Your boon pool isn’t set until you’ve accepted boons from four different gods

(Not counting Hermes)

So for example, if you see Ares at the shop early on, but ignore him and get four other gods in total after that shop, Ares won’t show up again

[red jewel]

hope for quick spin- jk

Try Zeus, Demeter, or Artemis on attack, and time your dodges and spins.
Quick Spin can let you heal so much faster and safer

[wise sparrow]

#h1-builds-and-combat message

[wild solar]

unlocked Stygius' hidden aspect
It looks cool

[rapid forum]

you know what's cool?

demeter

[wise sparrow]

[red jewel]

[final trellis]

what are your guys thoughts on aspect of Arthur?

[wise sparrow]

i think it’s totally fine

[final trellis]

I hate it because it's so much slower compared to aspect of zagreus

I like fast weapons I just cant get used to it

[wise sparrow]

certainly some pacts really really hurt but whatever

just fight inside your sparkles

[runic parrot]

arthurs slowness is made up by its ridiculous single damage output

[rapid forum]

I once got calculated risk when I had hidden sword

put athena on special

everything went slow mo

and deflect them

[final trellis]

Arthur is way too slow for me

[rapid forum]

... and then I angered uncle fish

if there's anything more scary than uncle fish's trial

is that it can drift when you slow it

[wise sparrow]

arthur has about the same dmg output as nemesis. the real juicy part is the sparkles

[wild solar]

Is there any point to Centaur Hearts with Guan Yu?

Thx

[karmic trellis]

you get 8 max life⬆️ it's not worth it

just play the game good

just life steal as often as possible and you'll be fine

maybe get the daedalus boon to do spin attack faster

[wild solar]

Does aspect of Guan Yu affect Strong Drink?

[karmic trellis]

describe strong drink.

[craggy barn]

guan yu decreases the hp you get from centaur hearts

it doesn't affrect simply healing

[wild solar]

fountains restore all health

and give bonus damage

[karmic trellis]

i assume so, yes.

[wild solar]

it does tho?

[karmic trellis]

no reason why it shouldn't

[brazen lagoon]

It doesn't affect strong drink I'm pretty sure

[craggy barn]

guan yu doesn't affect normal healing wdym

[karmic trellis]

yeah food has decreased healing

[wild solar]

Yes it does.

[karmic trellis]

with guan yu

[wild solar]

It reduces life total gains, life total, and healing

[craggy barn]

it has decreased healing because food scales a bit with your max hp

[wild solar]

It also affects things like Demeter's boon that heals you and gives increased healing

[brazen lagoon]

Checked the wiki

[craggy barn]

i still don't see how it directly affects healing though

[brazen lagoon]

It affects healing and max health

[wild solar]

that's literally healing.

[brazen lagoon]

You have the Frost Fair Blade*, but your life and healing are reduced

[wild solar]

i'd show a pic but i can't

[craggy barn]

shouldn't it say life gain and not healing

[wild solar]

😩

Go check for yourself

I'm done here

[karmic trellis]

the gimick is that you are supposed to mainly heal from spin attacks life steal

[brazen lagoon]

Life Total & Life Gain
(-70% / -65% / -60% / -55% / -50%)

[karmic trellis]

smart guy

you number it up

[grand crystal]

i mean i like to see it as lasting consequences but more extreme since you have like no hp

[brazen lagoon]

Does LC affect guan yu spin attack

[grand crystal]

(or not since its not as bad as you get literally no healing)

[karmic trellis]

yeah i don't like guan yu but i'm on the 100% grind

[karmic trellis]

lc?

[grand crystal]

i mean it only heals 1 per hit so id assume not until you get to 100% no healing

[craggy barn]

lc doesn't affect guan yu

[grand crystal]

ah ok

[brazen lagoon]

Lasting consequences

[karmic trellis]

mmmmm

[craggy barn]

there's a couple things that bypass it actually, such as cursed slash or draining cutter

i think someone listed then off, it's probably on the wiki page anyways

[wild solar]

Is there any way to mod Hades?

[brisk trail]

Check #self-promotion, there's a Hades modding channel that posts semi-regularly.

[wild solar]

Oh I see

Thanks

I'll check it out at some point

[final trellis]

what's your guys favorite weapon?

[grand crystal]

bow

[brazen lagoon]

Rail

[grand crystal]

sword is a close 2nd :3

[runic parrot]

shield

[hearty bramble]

i got heroic greater haste and im doing a plume run. im so Fast

also i dont really have a fav weapon :O chiron bow is really fun

[final trellis]

aspect of Arthur overrated like yeah it does alot of damage but it's so slow it's painful to use

[hearty bramble]

yea its cool at first but after a few runs i get kinda bored

[grand crystal]

ehehe im not the only one :3

[brazen lagoon]

I prefer nemesis tbh

Arthur feels kinda clunky to me

[grand crystal]

posiedon is super fun too :3

[final trellis]

agreed

[short geyser]

i cant beat champions of elysium with guan yu

[final trellis]

aspect of zagreus is my favorite funny enough

[short geyser]

lost 6 runs there trying to fufill the propechy

[runic parrot]

arthur is ok

definitely not my favourite hidden aspect

rama and beo are the GOATs for me

[wild solar]

Varatha

Stygius is a second

[grand crystal]

spear is alright tbh

[hearty bramble]

this guan yu tips thread helped a lot for me :) https://twitter.com/eriochromatic/status/1357511996350976000?s=19

[grand crystal]

in early EA it used to be my fav

then i played bow

and loved it

[wild solar]

Oh I forgot Coronacht existed for a hot sec

Yeah I love it

Varatha > Coronacht > Stygius > Malphon > Aegis > Exagryph

For me

[short geyser]

should i just forget about trying to do the propechy till i max it out with bloods?

[hearty bramble]

hmmm maybe

[hollow kettle]

Used the spiked collar with them and you can actually build up a fairly reasonable amount of hp

[grand crystal]

bow > sword > spear > fist > shield > rail(without aspects in mind)

[wild solar]

imagine not using their names

:P

[grand crystal]

imagine using their names :P

like, coronacht is much more to type

[wild solar]

But it's such a good name

[runic parrot]

average "stygius" fan vs average hacky slashy swordy sword enjoyer

i have a hard time remembering all their names

[wild solar]

I love the names they use

[runic parrot]

im not greek

[wild solar]

Neither am I :P

[hollow kettle]

If you use the Spiked Collar with Aspect of Guam Yu then you get back up to the base HP you have pre mirror upgrades

[grand crystal]

and like with aspects- any bow > posiedon/nem > zeus > dem > eris > everything else

[wild solar]

I just enjoy flexing the names

[brazen lagoon]

I like how all the weapons have badass names and then the rail is just 'gun'

[runic parrot]

nemesis is above poseidon for me

[simple tulip]

do you need to aim with controller as rail? or do you automatically shoot the closest target

[wild solar]

I mean you probably have to aim

[grand crystal]

auto aim :3

[runic parrot]

much more fun building around crits

[wild solar]

Since one of the Daedalus -

What

[grand crystal]

that is if you turn on auto aim

[hollow kettle]

How come sometimes Exagryph is the Adamant Rail and sometimes it’s the Rail of Adamant

[grand crystal]

the seeking hammer is from any distance

[simple tulip]

so you can basically never miss a shot?

[grand crystal]

nope, you always hit

unless youre out of range

[wild solar]

I don't know. I mean both names work

[simple tulip]

wtf, i'm switching to controller

lmao

[hollow kettle]

I mean I guess it’s like Stygius vs the Stygian Blade but like what is “of adamant”, how can you be of adamant

[wild solar]

'Adamant in classical mythology is an archaic form of diamond.'

[brazen lagoon]

Diamond rail

[hollow kettle]

OH

[grand crystal]

hehe crazy diamond

diamond is unbreakable

hehe

i made a jojo funny

laugh all of you

[brazen lagoon]

Funnee

[wild solar]

I thought the material was familiar

[brazen lagoon]

Comedy achieved

[wild solar]

no i dont like jojo

[brazen lagoon]

Where are the askers

[hollow kettle]

It was me, Dio(nysus)

[wild solar]

the
what

[wild solar]

You mean Zagreus ;P

[grand crystal]

me over here bouta ask which one since dionysus has 3 versions through greek mythos

[hollow kettle]

But I thought it meant adamant in the sense of, like, being adamant about something

[wild solar]

Yeah that's honestly a fair interpretation and I think a common one

[grand crystal]

i mean it was hera's weapon

and damn shes dedicated to the marriage with zeus

[wild solar]

Hera ain't about no gold
only diamond for her 🙄

Also Hera technically never held a bow in myth iirc

Idm if it's like not accurate tho

[grand crystal]

well yea but guns dont exist in mythos either

[wild solar]

It's a game, and at the end of the day, it's very cool regardless

Exactly!

[grand crystal]

and i dont think demeter beat up people with her bare hands

but that is a funny thought

[wild solar]

I don't mind the liberties the game takes

[grand crystal]

also i love the line with artemis when she says "the skulls are very hera"

[wild solar]

It's still a very immersive and fun game

[wild solar]

wait what?

omg I need this

[grand crystal]

yea i want official art

[wild solar]

Oops I forgot no swearing

My bad!

[short geyser]

i've never done underworld customs before, can you discard any boon or is it a choice of a random 3 boons?

[grand crystal]

since ive seen hera fan art, and no one includes the skulls

[wild solar]

I love Artemis' lines

[grand crystal]

its from the pool so just the 3 you get in the choice

i like to have the mentality of "heres a throw away boon" and take dark forsight on the mirror

[wild solar]

Man I wonder if ppl here take Hades commissions

I'd pay for some cool art

Oh I had a question!

What does Dark Foresight do?

I didn't understand it

[grand crystal]

im trying to get good at drawing to draw things myself :3

[grand crystal]

essentially it raises your chances of getting the "gold laurel room rewards" by a max of 20%

so youll see money, hearts, boons, and your 2 hammers more often

[wild solar]

What is the gold laurel room rewards tho

Oh

[grand crystal]

all the run things

so anything permanent like darkeness or money are blue laurel

[wild solar]

Ohhh

I didn't notice

I'm a little colorblind so they all look the same to me xd

[grand crystal]

aahhh damn, but yea thats how it works :3

most people run it

i do so :3

[wild solar]

I see

I didn't know it did that

As soon as I max out the Mirror of Night I may run it

I'm determined to not reset my talents at akll

all*

[grand crystal]

yeaaa, lets you get many boons and thus more chances for duo + legendary, and slap on gods legacy

[wild solar]

And max out everything!

[grand crystal]

and you can get like 5 duos in one run

[wild solar]

I haven't reset my talents yet, and never plan to do so.

A waste of keys imo
Just farm a bit more

[grand crystal]

i mean tbh the base talents are better on low heat

[wild solar]

I mean reset as in spend keys to gain the darkness back

[grand crystal]

yea yea ik

[wild solar]

Oh okay

I must have misunderstood something then! My bad

[grand crystal]

youre good :3

i mess around with the mirror ever so often for the authority talents

but otherwise i have most everything maxed

[wild solar]

I plan to finish the fated list for the mirror

[grand crystal]

but like the talents are very weapon/build specific ngl

and or heat

since like fiery presence is best on stuff like hestia but not much else

[wild solar]

Getting out with the dd per chamber is gonna be hard...

[grand crystal]

ahhh yea im not a fan of stubborn defiance

at high heat tho it ends up being the only source of healing

[wild solar]

Me either

I can be very clumsy at times in the game so having a set amount is best

Makes me work harder too

[grand crystal]

mhm, thats also the gamble with mirror alts

[wild solar]

I'm getting better at Asterius miniboss tho!

[grand crystal]

like ruthless reflex is better if you can get more dashes

[grand crystal]

oh thats good!

[wild solar]

Epic Greatest Reflex is

[grand crystal]

imo butterfly ball is easier but asterius having lower hp in the boss is sooo nice

[grand crystal]

hehe yea

same with stygian soul

[wild solar]

Wait what

[grand crystal]

its much better if you get the extra casts

[wild solar]

It affects his hp in the boss fight?

[grand crystal]

otherwise its a nerf

[grand crystal]

yeaa

he starts a tad lower if you win

[wild solar]

I did not know this!!

[grand crystal]

like 3/4 i think

could be wrong

not enough to matter but enough to be convenient

[wild solar]

Butterfly balls will sneak up on you

[grand crystal]

i had a run a couple nights ago where i killed the butterfly ball in one hit :3

it was very cool

[wild solar]

Woah

How

[grand crystal]

rama bow is dumb

[wild solar]

I don't know the hidden aspect of Coronacht

🙈

[grand crystal]

like not one hit but like, one press of the main attack button

ahh yea my b, prob shouldve spoilered

but its crazy good

[wild solar]

Well I mean I don't know what it does

So I think you're fine