h1-discussion

[unborn remnant]

em4 is very very bad

[half zephyr]

that's kinda up to each person

[unborn remnant]

dude did 50 damage per hit

[half zephyr]

I love acorn for final boss, but only if I have 1 dd left - or stubborn defiance

[half zephyr]

plume is fun

[indigo ginkgo]

I like switching to either acorn or broken spear by the end

[unborn remnant]

Acorn is good at the end of a run yeah

[half zephyr]

uhm...

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[unborn remnant]

Have you fought EM4 yet Shadow?

[half zephyr]

I'm just leveling them all atm

[half zephyr]

no, and no plans to

I've seen it

it be scary

not for moi

[unborn remnant]

its so

fast

[half zephyr]

[unborn remnant]

also because I had forced overtime

[half zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/-gif-4145835

[unborn remnant]

thank you :)

the spear throw was bad enough

but then homie spawned MINI BOSSES???

[half zephyr]

mhmmm

he can heal too

if he's got the right conditions going

but really this just shows that Hades wanted us to go find Persephone all along!
cuz he went easy on us! >.>

well, still going easy on me

I don't want the bad dad

[indigo ginkgo]

2 phases is already bad enough

tho I guess now I'm having an easier time during phase 2

it's easier to circlecamp

[half zephyr]

I kinda feel for father when he fights me

he usually gets hit with a hangover while being jolted, he's weak & there's a sense of doom hanging over him

and sometimes I throw in rupture too

and exposed if there's no better option and I got deflect

[indigo ginkgo]

lol I usually don't get that many different debuffs

[half zephyr]

I use keepsakes

to get status effects

[indigo ginkgo]

I'll just keep going and hope it's not a bug with nyx

[hybrid moon]

Hahaha

[fast depot]

What is the things at the bottom the keepsakes storage?

[half zephyr]

there's also the occasional chill in the air ofc

[hybrid moon]

If you use the mirror for extra effect damage that could make it easier

[half zephyr]

you want spoilers?

[fast depot]

Umm

Wdym?

[indigo ginkgo]

it's the secret stash

[half zephyr]

that works

[half zephyr]

it's redacted

[fast depot]

How would i unlock it?

[half zephyr]

story

side story

[fast depot]

Wat?

[half zephyr]

getting drunk on nectar & ambrosia

[fast depot]

Just give the spoilers

[half zephyr]

that's it tho

[indigo ginkgo]

some characters have more stuff they give you

[fast depot]

Wat?

[half zephyr]

you have to progress certain story lines

[indigo ginkgo]

after they get into ambrosia

not all of them

[half zephyr]

then you unlock companions

and you can bring one into battle to help you

limited use

everything in this game so far is just story story story

[median nacelle]

Yeah I recommend Meg. She's a bomb with silly damage

[half zephyr]

with some fighting thrown in now & then

I like Shady cuz food

[median nacelle]

Sorry to drop in randomly but how's the aspect of Rama?

[half zephyr]

and my discord nickname is Shady

idk

some swear by it

I have yet to unlock it

it's waiting for me to get blood

[humble lintel]

does anyone know what aspect is considered the most "op" with recent patches

[hybrid moon]

I dont like it 😂 it is hard too I think...

[median nacelle]

@hybrid moon yeah I was thinking that may be the case. I flipped when I revealed Arthur, but the damage output doesn't make up for the slower attack

[unborn remnant]

what.

bruh

[half zephyr]

[indigo ginkgo]

arthur is nuts

but I only have 2 hidden so far

[half zephyr]

good luck Lyte!

[humble lintel]

I flipped when I revealed Arthur, but the damage output doesn't make up for the slower attack

[half zephyr]

I believes in yous

[humble lintel]

bruh

[hybrid moon]

Arthur is good and you could tank like 80% in total probably

[humble lintel]

please help

[indigo ginkgo]

you can dash while doing the 3rd attack so it's not too bad

[humble lintel]

i have little blood what should i spend it on

[indigo ginkgo]

but yeah I fish for hermes attack speed with it

[terse relic]

Press, dash dash, bang. Press, dash dash, bang. Lather, rinse, repeat, win, smile. I love Arthur.

[hybrid moon]

mmm arthur with hermes extra evasion could be good too

[gray apex]

Rama is strong overall but almost requires you to hit those powershots which can feel slow at first and will need some getting used to, probably wont feel that forgiving when you first pick it up compared to something like Arthur which is simpler and easier to get the most out of, so yea it'll require practice and dedication to master Rama

[hybrid moon]

How are the last fists? I think I dont have those yet...

😂

[half zephyr]

oh ye!
what would you recommend if I wanna try for a dodge build around zag fist?

for a fun run

[hybrid moon]

full dodge is with zagreus fists I think

[half zephyr]

I did say around zag fist yes

I was thinking more boons to aim for & such

I'd be using plume

[hybrid moon]

@half zephyr no boons? hahaha, just go for hermes and health

[half zephyr]

but that's not fun

[hybrid moon]

;D

[half zephyr]

[unborn remnant]

hm

athena attack and dash

[half zephyr]

oooh, yes

deflect everything

[hybrid moon]

hahahaha

[indigo ginkgo]

I'm a trippy shot main

ice wine is amazing

[half zephyr]

I was all about trippy shot until it hurt me

[hybrid moon]

anyone beat hades with just dashes? (poseidon dash or any damaging dash)

[half zephyr]

then I wasn't all about it anymore

still fun, but eh

[terse relic]

Love Trippy Shot ever since I found out it trips Hellfire.

[unborn remnant]

see the logic is that you just stack up deflect + dodge

[hybrid moon]

actually ares dash is good too I think and it gets good damage

[half zephyr]

[half zephyr]

I can never get used to ares dash >.<

ares cast on the other hand has grown on me

[hybrid moon]

@half zephyr one boom makes it bigger and the upgrades are nice

[unborn remnant]

ares dash is weird

[half zephyr]

ye, but I dash towards enemies, so it's just weird to leave something behind when I do that

[indigo ginkgo]

I rarely get ares stuff

[hybrid moon]

it is funny to just go around theseus dashing and doing damage

[unborn remnant]

its like a lingering hitbox

if you have a build where you dash around enemies a lot it can be good

aspect of zeus energy

[indigo ginkgo]

I love aspect of zeus

[half zephyr]

I love using his keepsake to get doom

[indigo ginkgo]

the spinning shield is my style

[hybrid moon]

Hahaha aphro dash is more weird..
and it has low damage

[indigo ginkgo]

also it goes so damn well with zeus power up on special

[half zephyr]

I know, I never use aphro dash

I've found a use for aphro cast tho

[hybrid moon]

aphro cast is good for fist in general or hera bow ;D

[half zephyr]

I prefer a long range cast on fist just to get that ranged attack in

but I had this very fun run where I used regen bloodstone

and then everyone kept wanting to give me more of them

by the time I got to hades I had 5 regen bloodstones + instant regen boon + aphro cast

Hades had 9-10 bloodstones lodged in him

[gray apex]

I really enjoy playing Aphro Hera

It’s fun

[unborn remnant]

^

[indigo ginkgo]

I only used bow in the very beginning

because it felt like bastion

now even railgun has beat dad but not bow

[half zephyr]

I've found out that even though I don't have as much fun with rail, it's turned into my best weapon somehow

[hybrid moon]

@half zephyr lol I think I never got 5 yet...

[half zephyr]

it's the one I got most clears on, and the only one at 10 heat

[indigo ginkgo]

triple Q upgrade carried me

it's so good for circle camping

[half zephyr]

I've also discovered that if I'm running the rail I favour doom attack

cuz it's so easy to stack

[hybrid moon]

hahaha

[unborn remnant]

zeus attack with rail is nice

[broken marsh]

what are the easiest heats?

im doing runs with 3-4

whats the easiest?

[hybrid moon]

@broken marsh em 1 to 3 and you just have "harder" bosses

[broken marsh]

whats em

[half zephyr]

extreme measures

but oooooooh

[hybrid moon]

em 4 is more like learn a new boss 🤣

[half zephyr]

||I see you stand your ground against the serpent's flame||

[unborn remnant]

gun?

[half zephyr]

nonono

🛡️

[indigo ginkgo]

damage control is free for some weapons

[half zephyr]

I'm running fists atm tho

fun run I guess

[hybrid moon]

true

[half zephyr]

though I think I forgot it was supposed to be fun & did em3

[hybrid moon]

with rail you could max damage control

[indigo ginkgo]

lol

[half zephyr]

at least I can laugh at theseus

[unborn remnant]

rail is so good

[hybrid moon]

an TD 1 is not a problem in general

[half zephyr]

YES

Epic divine strike

[unborn remnant]

I wish that were me

[half zephyr]

at least somethings going according to plan

[unborn remnant]

i always get common on attacks

forces me to use rare crop

[half zephyr]

I sadly ended up with tidal dash, but hey!

maybe I can get my final legend this round

[unborn remnant]

tidal dash is sick

[half zephyr]

I'm kinda hoping I'll get ares now

me would be fun

[unborn remnant]

wdym me

[half zephyr]

daaw - hermes boon in charon shop :

[half zephyr]

ME, sorry - Merciful End

I already got Bad News

[hearty bramble]

@past arch (referring to the art you shared in #fan-works) dude what if... friday night funkin but with zag and dad hahah

[unborn remnant]

oh

yeah that makes sense

[noble hinge]

imagine an Unseen Ones level 😳

[hearty bramble]

Pain

[unborn remnant]

?

[half zephyr]

Hermes legendary boon

it's called Bad News

[unborn remnant]

oh

I thought you got bad news

like actually

[indigo ginkgo]

LMAO

[unborn remnant]

what does that boon do

🗿

[half zephyr]

well, bad news is kinda bad news

[indigo ginkgo]

when it's capitalized it's probably a game term

[half zephyr]

50% first hit bonus dmg with cast on foes with no bloodstone lodged in them

great if you got ares or demeter boon

I got athena XD

epic phalanx

[unborn remnant]

oh no

athena cast is not great

[half zephyr]

well, it was either cast, special or aid

and I want someone else on special & aid

¯_(ツ)_/¯

at least with the cast if it gets replaced it'll be heroic next

[unborn remnant]

what weapon?

[half zephyr]

zag fist

[unborn remnant]

I mean its good on special but you need the special slot for duos

[half zephyr]

doubt I'll get any 😞

I'm at styx & I have no call or special sigh

guess I'll just do this epic tempest flourish

was hoping for legend, but still no go

[unborn remnant]

Sadge

what was your game plan with the fists?

dodge go brr?

[half zephyr]

mhmm

[unborn remnant]

🤝

good plan

[half zephyr]

Hermes no give dodge

[unborn remnant]

bad rolls though

yeah you hate to see that

maybe next run will be hera bow inc?

[half zephyr]

I got chaos curse that hid chamber reward in asphodel too

so my dodge is at 27.6+15

not too bad, but could be better

if I can get 500 coins I might get hermes dodge boon tho >.<

ofc, the sack is in room 2

well, good thing I have much deflect

I can go on

no dodge

rush delivery tho - rare with 75%

and ofc grandma doesn't offer call this time...

[unborn remnant]

not a fan of demeter call

[half zephyr]

I just want a call

[grand crystal]

hehe casual

ive had 60% 😎

50 with just fist and plume

[half zephyr]

now I have to do all the rooms to have enough coins to try for athena

[unborn remnant]

is it really casual if its bad rng

[half zephyr]

Hermes has offered 0 dodge

I don't know how I could do better

[unborn remnant]

honestly you might as well go for it

get the run over with

[half zephyr]

I'll try for the last coins

boon is 450 - I got 386

1 room left

and maybe my plume will get extra

now it's at 30% so I've got 45% total at least

[broken marsh]

how do i get the secret buffs for the weapons

aspects

[half zephyr]

there's a pin in #h1-story-discussion

with all the info

[half zephyr]

\0/
I am saved

Divine Protection

and now I'm not mad at Athena not offering me aid

it was worth it doing the final chamber

heh

didn't even need my DD

[half zephyr]

alas - Aegis

but ooh, I can unlock & try the new hidden aspect

on second thought, maybe not

I don't see me using it much XD

can try aspect of zeus instead

[unborn remnant]

Beowulf is weird

[hallow gate]

Is aspect of rama good

[fast depot]

This game is so complex at times

[hallow gate]

Yeah i agree

[wise sparrow]

rama is really good

[ancient vigil]

i don't know how i'm surviving this run w just a level 3 heart break strike w nemesis but i am

[unborn remnant]

it could be more complex

imagine if there was crazy movement tech

[broken marsh]

whats the hades monthly challenge?

[wise sparrow]

#h1-builds-and-combat pinned

[dapper mango]

i just started over a new save in hades hell mode again after beating it at 32 heat before, its fun to restart!! first win on 3rd try this time instead of 30! its quite interesting to start a new save!

[snow void]

hey guys are the boss rewards consistent regardless of heat? like 1 each?

[brazen lagoon]

ye

[snow void]

o damn thank u shooty god

[snow void]

Hey guys where can i see the pins for hidden aspect unlock?

[waxen juniper]

#h1-story-discussion

[echo walrus]

Question: I’m pretty sure you can force Asterius to bull rush Theseus in that fight and stun them both. There’s even some dialog I believe. But none of the guides I see mention that. Am I hallucinating?

[hollow hawk]

There is a special tag team move that asterius and theseus do after they've ||broke up and made up again||, which is that asterius rushes into theseus' shield and it causes a shockwave

[coarse steppe]

SSG must have so much fun with death causes, my last 3 were ||random steam, a snake, and a bear||

[hollow hawk]

My favourite one is the ||one where zag runs into a wall painted to look like the way out||

[grand crystal]

||goat||

that was a good one

[snow void]

Thank you

But i cant seem to unlock rama

Already have || maxed chiron and guan yu unlocked :<||

Also talked to pewpew goddess

[gaunt tapir]

||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/704122807054761994/809675103137693706/unknown.png||

Aw damn

Im stupid

[untold pagoda]

How do I unlock the last aspect of the fists anyone know? :/

[narrow hemlock]

check pins in #h1-story-discussion

[untold pagoda]

Thanks

[rapid forum]

after over 200 hours

I finally found out who hired skelly

[runic parrot]

huh! what's their angle?

love zag's reaction to it

[rapid forum]

for a moment I just realized, Zag talking to skelly is just darren talking to himself

[warm charm]

||hades is the best game||

[brazen lagoon]

So true

[heavy hound]

Fax

[charred anchor]

whats the difference between a boon upgrading in level and upgrading in rarity

[undone moat]

higher rarity scales stat better with level and have higher ceiling

pom = level

rarity is the color (normal rare epic legendary heroic)

wait i forgot one rarity smh

[runic parrot]

epic then heroic

not legendary first lol

[brisk trail]

anyone know if the art book will be sold separately or do u have to buy the physical version

[azure violet]

odd question but how did supergiant games record the hades music, was it in person or by using a DAW

[narrow hemlock]

only comes with the physical. also worth noting its likely not concept art, they said outright it was character portraits

[grand crystal]

i can still hang than on my wall and thats all that matters

[hollow hawk]

none

higher rarity=higher initial level

so an epic boon is just a lvl 2 rare boon

[narrow hemlock]

the noclip docs may help answer this perhaps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQPk9J7spw0

[azure violet]

thx

[undone moat]

tldr darren went into a room and played some notes

[runic agate]

I'm baaaack

[brisk trail]

oh rip well i mean i still love the art lol so

i might buy it off someone or smth

[snow void]

||zag got booty and i love it||

[mossy lily]

ඞ

[hearty bramble]

just got the chaos theme and oooooo

[vapid robin]

apologies if this isn’t the right channel for this but i’m curious if anyone has any tips for playing with controller

i’m much more used to m&k and playing with controller makes me feel like i’m learning the game all over again

[rapid forum]

if you're playing rail

I suggest you change the bind for reload

prob to RT/R2/ZR

[somber plank]

Why tho

[rapid forum]

cause default reload is right analog

[somber plank]

Yeah

I don't see a problem with it

[rapid forum]

it's clunky

especially when you play hestia

[somber plank]

I don't think so

I haven't played Hestia for a while

[vapid robin]

i changed reload to left analog but trigger may be a better choice

thanks!

[rapid forum]

other than that... I have no tips tbh

cause it's all muscle memory

[vapid robin]

ok for sure

i suppose i just have to get used to it

[runic parrot]

lightning rod as 3rd boon, feelsgoodman

[covert mason]

Did you guys see that video of afk Zag beating Hades? I need to find out what that build was 😂

[hollow hawk]

watch haelian's vid on that

he shows the entire run

[manic moat]

also do reaction boons work with dodge

like if you get it, but "dodge" it, then do they happen or no

[runic parrot]

no

wait

what are you talking about exactly

[manic moat]

for example the dodge chance from hermes boons, lambient plume, ruthless reflex or zag fists

it occurs when something 'hits' you, but you dont take damage

[runic parrot]

yeah thats what dodge means in that context

[runic parrot]

what do you mean by this though

[half zephyr]

he's wondering if revenge boons will activate even if you don't get "hit" cuz of the dodge

like heavens vengeance

[runic parrot]

ohh

'reaction' boons lol

[granite ether]

I don't think so, but I'm not 100% certain

[runic parrot]

yeah same

unless we take a look at the source code i dont think theres a way to be certain

[hollow hawk]

im pretty sure people have an answer to that

ive heard the topic being discussed before

[half zephyr]

I'd say get them anyways & try to get the ares duo where revenge can strike anyways

[hollow hawk]

plus, a lot of the code is available

in the content/scripts folder

so people have definitely looked at it

[silk river]

Hoarding slash with art dash, aphro attack, and crit aspect and with 2631 gold mid way through styx. I'd say that's some spicy stab

[runic parrot]

must be some massive percentage boost

hey i got the goat death

[hollow hawk]

goat death is so funny

the bear one too

[half zephyr]

snake

[runic parrot]

my favourite is probably the road runner one

[night leaf]

Goat death?

I only die from hades 99% of the time, are there different animations for death now from different enemies?

[half zephyr]

nono

[wise sparrow]

if u beat hades u get some silly death quotes

[night leaf]

oh okay, that

I thought you were talking about satyr death animations

[half zephyr]

I love snakes death

think it was something like Zag walking up to them all friendly, and the snakes biting him XD

poor Zag

[night leaf]

They should add a few more lines

I've exhausted all those dialogues

[half zephyr]

I have not

[night leaf]

there's about 40-50 of them I think

so you'll be okay for a while if you just started winning against hades after 10 runs

[half zephyr]

huh

I'm on my longest win streak yet =w=

21

[wise sparrow]

my highest streak is 1 😎

[runic parrot]

win a run > become overconfident > lose the next run > repeat
🤦‍♂️

[merry quest]

i love how there's a specific ending dialogue telling you that you've exhausted all the ending dialogue xD

[half zephyr]

I go win a run > grow more cautious > do a collection run > back to heat run again

[craggy barn]

my highest streak is 42

it took me a while to really dabble into heats lol

[half zephyr]

forgot yesterday though so my fun collection run turned into a failed dodge fist run instead on heat 6 XD

still won tho - thank you Athena for Divine Protection

it's the first time I've gotten 0 dodge offers from Hermes

[half zephyr]

oi, you

you seem to like beo

how do you do it

[runic parrot]

1. hit
2. dont get hit

[half zephyr]

if you don't normally do bull rush tho

I never do bull rush >.<

[runic parrot]

beo is all about the bullrush

[half zephyr]

I have to remember to do it

to think about it

[craggy barn]

trippy flare

[runic parrot]

if you dont, then why even use beo

[half zephyr]

I haven't

that's why I'm asking how to use it

[runic parrot]

you should try it sometimes, it's pretty powerful

[half zephyr]

I wanna get the prophecy one day XD

[craggy barn]

cast builds generally take a bit of luck to be powerful but when it happens it gets ridiculously strong

there's a lot of boons that cater to cast builds, like mirage shot and hermes' legendary boons

[half zephyr]

I guess I can pray for the hammer upgrade that shortens bull rush uhm.. whatever that was called again

the time to do it

I'm failing at my english atm

[craggy barn]

unyielding defense and charge shot are really good on beo

[gaunt tapir]

:hehe:

[craggy barn]

sudden rush is sort of a good choice

[gaunt tapir]

I may not have nitro but this is payback

[craggy barn]

also important to know that you can actually load casts mid bull rush

[gaunt tapir]

Wait fr?

[half zephyr]

[gaunt tapir]

Thats useful

NOOOOOO

SCREW YOU

[half zephyr]

I'm only failing cuz I'm tired lol

[gaunt tapir]

Excuses

[half zephyr]

[craggy barn]

it's important to know a lot about builds and stuff because there's a lot of various stuff you may be looking for in a cast build

[gaunt tapir]

I started a beowulf run today

[craggy barn]

more casts from chaos, mirage shot, t2 boons, etc etc

[gaunt tapir]

Its almost as if this game had an incredible depth to the gameplay

Wow

[half zephyr]

so, regen stone or 3 stone?

[craggy barn]

depends

[half zephyr]

I've found that regen clicks with me lately

[viscid fern]

some casts only benefit from one

[craggy barn]

if you're going for trippy shot, slicing shot or crystal beam then regen may be better

[half zephyr]

I spam it anyways so

[craggy barn]

basically anything else benefits more from infernal soul like true shot or electric shot

[half zephyr]

unless I get 5 regen stones again

poor Hades

that was fun

ofc that was crush shot so he kept getting blasted in the face with them

[half zephyr]

ty~

will keep all this in mind for when I eventually try beo out
I wrote notes

[runic parrot]

stygian with auto reload is powerful but i only seem to get it 1/20 of the time

[runic fern]

Coronacht with Hera aspect and various damage ups and Aphrodite’s cast just shreds through anything

[craggy barn]

the main reason non lodging casts are imo way better for stygian soul in general is because of bad news

[runic fern]

I beat the pact version of lernie in like 30 seconds it was great

Also is there anyway to know which tunnel in Styx is correct it’s the worst for going fast

[runic parrot]

it's all rng

just light the candles

[runic fern]

Light the candles?

[runic parrot]

if you wanna go fast, go for the miniboss tunnels first since it's usually faster to clear those

[runic parrot]

make an offering to the gods

[runic fern]

Makes sense

[runic parrot]

and leave your future to the weaving of the fates

[half zephyr]

they like you

[runic fern]

I do but I’ve never got it first try. Most of the time it’s not even in miniboss tunnels

[half zephyr]

cuz you can't

[runic parrot]

it's never first tunnel

[runic fern]

That sucks

[half zephyr]

it's only 2nd on

[runic parrot]

you have to go through 8 chambers first

[runic fern]

I get the first try thing it’s just annoying since Styx is literally the worst area

[runic parrot]

ive been pretty lucky lately with 2sacks

[runic fern]

Guess that’s the point

[half zephyr]

styx can be easy with the right build setup

so many status effects

[runic fern]

So for the first go through a non mini boss tunnel then the second go through a mini boss

Cool

[runic parrot]

why non mini boss first lol

[half zephyr]

maybe not confident enough to fight mini boss

[runic fern]

It’s easier and might have a good reward

[runic parrot]

i mean you do you but i find it faster to do minibosses first

yeah but rarer boons down the miniboss routes doe

[half zephyr]

for me it depends on build

[runic parrot]

thats fair

[runic fern]

It depends some mini bosses are just a walk in the park

[half zephyr]

King Vermin tho...

[runic parrot]

once i get there i usually focus on single damage rather than crowd control which makes the non miniboss chambers hard as heck

[runic fern]

But if you get tiny vermin say goodbye to your stubborn defiance’s

[half zephyr]

nah, I lost that to Hades

he's easy enough to avoid, just annoying to hit

[runic fern]

Yeah but he hits like a truck

[half zephyr]

stop running away from me!!

let me give you a doomed jolted hangover!!

[runic fern]

The first fight against tiny vermin is the hardest fight I’ve fought except the secret one

[half zephyr]

I wanna make you feel weak

[craggy barn]

i fought tiny vermin with twin shot rama once and its health was reduced to literally 1/5th of itself

[modern arch]

Ooh!

Wow hera is a lot better than I expected, with good boons

I tried hera run, immediately got crush shot, by the end I had 4 casts and crush shot to lv 12

[craggy barn]

both shots crit and i also had perfect shot as well as heart rend so it just nearly died from one attack

[modern arch]

Oh wow!

[runic fern]

Aspect of Hera is one of my favourite aspects

I’m hesitating using whatever the secret aspect because it’s just so good

[modern arch]

Both Chiron and Hera seem to b great

Haven’t unlocked secret aspect yet

[runic fern]

What is Chiron?

[half zephyr]

2nd bow

[runic fern]

I forgot it lmao

[half zephyr]

no

yes

yes

uhm, you hit them & then special locks onto an enemy

I think

[runic fern]

Oh right yeah

Eh

[craggy barn]

p good with hangover or heart rend

[runic fern]

In good coronacht I don’t really use special that much

[modern arch]

:/

[runic fern]

Although if you get a great special I can see it being op

[half zephyr]

I don't like coronacht

[modern arch]

Chiron is fun with great specials

[runic parrot]

special is only good on chiron or rama imo

catch me doing powershots only with zag bow

[modern arch]

Oof, I ran like 12 times with bow before beating first clear cuz bow is so fun

[half zephyr]

I hate bow in this game

[modern arch]

D:

[runic fern]

I think all the weapons are great

[half zephyr]

so slow & not fit my style of playing here

I only use coronacht cuz I have to

[runic fern]

Even my least favourite, fists, can be really fun in some runs (flying kick )

[half zephyr]

fists is my fave

[modern arch]

Fists are the ones I’ve won the most with, although half that can b accounted to dark thirst

Fists and bow are fav

[prime condor]

Tbh yeah I couldn’t get the hang of coronacht, which sucks cuz I was excited for a Rama bow

[half zephyr]

dash dash dash, so much dash-strike

[runic fern]

I accidentally did a 3 heat fists before 2 heat and I’m distraught

[prime condor]

I much rather just go chiron or hestia

[wise sparrow]

dash strike makes perfect shot much more achievable

[half zephyr]

and now with max zag + plume it's a dodge party

[modern arch]

Fists love me a dark strike

Rip Inferior

[half zephyr]

I just don't wanna do any other aspect anymore on fists

[modern arch]

I’m doing Demeter cuz it’s Uber fun

[half zephyr]

I just wanna try for that ultimate dodge build lol

[modern arch]

I’m terrified of guan Yu,, gonna do the suggestion of playing it once it’s maxed

[craggy barn]

bow isn't slow at all, just keep spamming dash-strikes that's really it

[runic fern]

The problem I have with fists is how close you have to be to use them, I much prefer keeping my distance and shredding through enemies without giving them a chance to possibly hit me

[half zephyr]

they're so weak

[craggy barn]

if you get triple shot you can shotgun at point blank for massive damage

[runic fern]

But with fists you are forced to get up close and personal

[hollow hawk]

enemies cant hit you if theyre dead tbh

[half zephyr]

and it's a real struggle for me cuz I can't get the power shots to work right

[runic fern]

I like jump kick because you can easily escape

[half zephyr]

espeically the dash one

[hollow hawk]

also long knuckle can be a good hammer

[half zephyr]

that's what I want tho

[runic fern]

Yeah but when they have loads of armour it’s horrible

[craggy barn]

rama is slow and hard to use but the damage is ridiculous

[runic fern]

Different plays types I guess

[hollow hawk]

breaching cross is another hammer

[half zephyr]

mhmm

[runic fern]

Styles*

[modern arch]

(Me who never dash strikes with bow): :|

[half zephyr]

that's what makes it fun

[hollow hawk]

you can dash through enemies btw

[prime condor]

I prefer like Arthur’s blade as a slow big damage weapon but that’s probably because it’s more simple

[runic fern]

Sword is okay because who cares about being hit if you have cursed slash

[hollow hawk]

which is very helpful for fists

[modern arch]

Yeah I support enemies can’t hit u when they ded with fists

[half zephyr]

tell that to the big ones in tartarus ugh

[runic fern]

And Arthur’s is great because you can store your great slash in a dash, so it’s effectively a ranged weapon

[modern arch]

Fists is like the only one I use dash strike loads

[half zephyr]

I try dash, they slam, we hit in middle & it's ouch

[runic fern]

And dash uppers are just horrible

[brittle canyon]

Fists is best

[half zephyr]

I use dash strike on spear, shield, sword & fists

[hollow hawk]

explosive upper is another hammer @runic fern

[brittle canyon]

And dash uppers are pog

[runic parrot]

zeus is best

[hollow hawk]

honestly all your problems with fists are solved easily with a hammer

lol

[runic parrot]

i only use zeus now

[runic fern]

Normal uppers let you hit twice but with dash upper you just awkwardly stop

[hollow hawk]

its faster

[brittle canyon]

Nah

[half zephyr]

I changed my keybind for it last run with fists to at least try it out & it was ok

[prime condor]

Zeus shield is pretty fun

[hollow hawk]

and doesnt lock you into an animation

[brittle canyon]

I agree @prime condor

[runic fern]

Yeah I know base fists isn’t fun but the hammers make it okay

[half zephyr]

zeus shield is gonna be my next run

[brittle canyon]

Chaos shield is the best shield aspect

[modern arch]

I haven’t used it much, but I’m having trouble with shield because if u hold it forces u to move

[runic parrot]

get zeus on it

[prime condor]

Beowulf can be amazing depending on the boon you get for its gimmick

[hollow hawk]

what build have you been getting on fists recently?

[runic fern]

Oh my god it’s hilarious dashing around killing anything that follows you

[hollow hawk]

zeus attack, or merciful end is pretty good on fists

[runic fern]

Idk I haven’t played with it in a while

[brittle canyon]

No, chaos is better

[runic fern]

I just got the hidden aspect so my next run will use it

[hollow hawk]

chaos used to be good

now its eh

[modern arch]

Oh no shield fights :/

[prime condor]

Zeuses personal manhack

But yeah with beowulf I was able to do like

3400 with all my blood shards used?

[modern arch]

:0

[half zephyr]

uhm

that's a way bigger number

k is 1000 XD

[prime condor]

You know what I mean lol

[half zephyr]

ye lol

[modern arch]

Haha that’s more reasonable lol

[runic fern]

Wow just casually one punch hades

[half zephyr]

one punch zag

[prime condor]

3400 is still a boatload in one burst

[runic fern]

Zagreus bald when 😳

[modern arch]

Bald nyx

[prime condor]

And I was able to do that every several seconds

[half zephyr]

neat

[prime condor]

So that’s probably the most DPS n damage I’ve had in a run

[half zephyr]

my first hidden aspect run for all weapons is gonna be either 0 heat or em1-3 cuz I'm a coward like that

[modern arch]

Same, well I’m not up to em3 yet

But otherwise

Especially on guan Yu

[tepid plover]

Bald achilles

[half zephyr]

em3 is

it's fun to look at

[prime condor]

I had a crazy run with nemesis also with like autoslash, wave slash, big dio drunken and I think the duo that makes drunk increasing stack when a certain effect happens

And I like melted through hades

[half zephyr]

watch out for asterius tho

[modern arch]

I see

[rapid forum]

ah, beyblade bull

[half zephyr]

em3 theseus is hilarious

[modern arch]

My first gun clear was like the scariest thing

[half zephyr]

I've mixed feelings about my rail

it's not my fave weapon, nor the most fun to play

[modern arch]

I had hades second phase half health, I was on like half health with no death defiences

[prime condor]

I like rail, got me my first regular hades win and my first em4 hades win

[half zephyr]

but it is my most consistent clear weapon

[modern arch]

Only way I won was spamming special while hiding from his lasers

[half zephyr]

it's the only I've gone to 10 heat on

[modern arch]

Ooh

[half zephyr]

next will be 11

[prime condor]

Ooo Damn

[modern arch]

Good lu k!

[half zephyr]

I found something that worked for me

ares attack

cuz doom stacking is fun

[prime condor]

I haven’t played in a while, stopped after I got 10 heat em4 on every weapon and after I got the epilogue

[modern arch]

Haha ares almost never shows up for me nowadays /:(

[half zephyr]

it's all on Eris too, idk why

[half zephyr]

oh, he does for me

I summon the ones I need

[modern arch]

Understandable

[half zephyr]

gotta have status on special/dash & attack so I can always hit priviliged status

[manic moat]

you might wanna switch to family favourite sometimes, and instead of forcing the priv stat just focus on the build

[half zephyr]

I had family favorite, priviliged status worked much better for me

I like having status effects

[manic moat]

yea, it varies build to build

nice

[half zephyr]

I discovered while looking back at my history that I always had 2-3 status effects going anyways XD

[craggy barn]

it would be really convenient if there was an audible indicator that your greater call is ready

[half zephyr]

so why not get priviliged status instead lol

[craggy barn]

like when you're using arty's aid and your gauge is full she goes "Fully loaded!" or something

[half zephyr]

I wouldn't notice that I think

too much audio input happening already XD

[gaunt tapir]

don't you get a giant text box saying "Greater Call Ready!" or something?

[half zephyr]

ye

there's a text box

[gaunt tapir]

what more do you need

[brisk trail]

finished my first run yesterday

was a lot of fun

[half zephyr]

neat

[brisk trail]

:>

[half zephyr]

there's still spoilers ahead if you stick to this channel tho

[brisk trail]

yeah. I have to complete it a few more times so I hear

[half zephyr]

mhmm

[brisk trail]

I wonder how many times I can complete it today.

[half zephyr]

all the times

[brisk trail]

[half zephyr]

[granite plinth]

man i wanna stream runs to my mates on discord but i dont have the game on pc

[acoustic quartz]

then go buy it in pc

🔫

[brisk trail]

^^

[half zephyr]

it's difficult going from switch to pc tho if you don't have a controller

[granite plinth]

40 bucks for a game i already own no thanks

[half zephyr]

it was on sale recently for under 20

[acoustic quartz]

wait its 40 bucks for you?

in my country its like 10 bucks ish lmao

[versed vessel]

the game was 15 bucks for me on switch

[hybrid moon]

nintendo physical games are expensive... anyways buy it if you love the game ;D

[half zephyr]

I plan to

[half zephyr]

sometimes I wish I could see Zag skip around like a satyr

[runic fern]

How common are heroic and legendary boons because I come across heroic boons like once a run and legendary boons once every 5-ish runs

Yet I see everyone with multiple heroic or legendary runs

Is it a mirror of night thing?

[craggy barn]

legendary boons are a bit rare, you need to get certain boons to even be able to get them and they still have a low chance of being offered

heroic boons can't simply be obtained at random, they have very specific conditions

you can get them from using ambrosia delight on an epic boon from eurydice, rare crop and boon exchanges

[half zephyr]

if you have an epic boon & some other god wants to replace it it'll get heroic 😄

and demeter has a boon that'll do it if you have enough encounters left to clear

[craggy barn]

keep in mind if a god is offering to replace a boon you already have it's always gonna be one rarity higher, thus you can get heroic boons that way

[half zephyr]

as for legendary, there's a mirror upgrade that at max gives a 10% chance for legendary or duo boons to appear

after you hit the prerequisite conditions ofc

[craggy barn]

you can check if a boon has a prerequisite or what those prerequisites are in the codex

[half zephyr]

I wish Poseidon would just get the hint already

so many runs.. all the prerequisites done.. the 10% chance...

and no legend

much sad

it's the only one I got left for the prophecy too TT

[craggy barn]

second wave isn't that good anyway

[half zephyr]

I just want the prophecy!!

[runic parrot]

fated list hunting moment

[half zephyr]

uhhuh

not like I wanna use second wave

I just want it off my list >.<

[runic parrot]

i swear i got almost all the legendaries by chance

i didnt even know there were prereqs for boons

this was like 100 runs in

[craggy barn]

you'd have to have gotten multiple boons from every god

[runic parrot]

i was kinda dumb because i didnt check the codex lol

[runic fern]

What are the easiest pact of punishments? I always go extreme measures and either the perks or the harder mini bosses since (especially the first and last) they’re not always active, in extreme measures case it’s normally only the first or second boss

[rapid forum]

Tight Deadline and Jury Summons

easier ones to get used to

[runic fern]

Oh yeah right deadline is easy

My average time is 23 minutes ish so it really isn’t that bad

My only problem is that although I have so much time I still rush because I have a time limit no matter how big that limit is

[runic parrot]

if you're willing to adapt, FO1/2 is a good one to pick

[hushed pumice]

BP2, MM, EM3, TD2 is a good setup for low heat

[runic parrot]

lower heat i'd pick MM EM3 TD2 and BP1/2

[runic fern]

for someone who hasn’t memorised them all please?

[hushed pumice]

Then you can add UC and TD3 eventually, then FO2

[craggy barn]

bp2 can lead to NASTY situations

just keep it on bp1 for now

[rapid forum]

which what makes it fun

[runic parrot]

bp = benefits package (armored enemies have perks)
mm = middle management (adds difficulty to minibosses)
em = extreme measures
td = tight deadline
uc = underworld customs (purge 1 boon/region)

[hushed pumice]

Well it all depends how high you wanna take the heat

[craggy barn]

saviour cloner numbskulls aren't fun

[hushed pumice]

If you're happy with 16 by all means don't take BP2 or fo2

[craggy barn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/761220441049661442/811600647174094889/EuaFpxwVgAIQdHd.png

[runic parrot]

oh yes... oooooh yes.

[runic fern]

Oh yeah I’ve done them all except uc (my boons! Mine!!) so that’s not that bad

[runic parrot]

uc sucks imo

i dont take it until i attempt 36+ heat

[craggy barn]

uc can suck early on if you didn't get a bunch of boons and have to sell something you actually need

[runic parrot]

to increase the boon chance you might want to turn on the yellow mirror talent that gives you more chances of getting gold laurels

[craggy barn]

dark foresight is generally good

[half zephyr]

after I got used to buffed Asterius em3 is easy too

[runic fern]

Do people just go 30+ heat before doing 10s or 20s like all those resources wasted

[craggy barn]

yeah i rarely even lose an sd to em3

[rapid forum]

some do

[craggy barn]

well you don't miss out on resources if you jump heats anyway

[rapid forum]

at least I know some peeps just jump from 16 to 32

[half zephyr]

I'm doing the heats 1 by 1 cuz I'm not that good at playing

I just wanna have fun

[craggy barn]

16 to 32 is a very steep jump and i wouldn't recommend it to less experienced players

[rapid forum]

yep it was

I got lucky on my first 32 heat run

[craggy barn]

i just went heart rend chiron and it went pretty well actually

[runic fern]

I know but like it’s just you could get those resources so easily but you don’t, it’s an okay choice but I just don’t understand

[half zephyr]

I tend to not really think along the lines of "what can I do to really win here now" and more along the lines of "what would be more fun"

[runic parrot]

i just do it since i'm getting used to high heat

cus i know i'll get there eventually anyway

[runic fern]

Fair

[runic parrot]

so why not train since now

[rapid forum]

I got strong drink and got mid fountain from all biomes on my first 32 heat

[half zephyr]

dun wanna lose mah streak

[rapid forum]

it carried me all the way

[runic parrot]

i dont really care about streaks

[runic fern]

I like getting my money’s worth but I see how it requires a lot more time to slowly build up

[half zephyr]

I'm on 21!

[runic parrot]

oh that's so good

[craggy barn]

not like you're gonna need as many of those resources as possible, i'm nowhere close to getting the 20 heat bounties on all weapons and at this point i have absolutely no need for ambrosia, titan blood or diamonds

[runic parrot]

that's what, +30% dmg?

[rapid forum]

think so

didn't count

[half zephyr]

I've reached that point where I'll feel sad if I lose it

[craggy barn]

there's like several ways to collect these resources

[rapid forum]

I didn't get patty but I didn't get hit by dad

[runic parrot]

i just rob the wretched broker from time to time

[rapid forum]

so that was nice

[runic parrot]

15 keys for 1 blood

[runic fern]

Does anyone actually go for gemstone chambers when given the choice

Even the upgrade is horrible

[craggy barn]

speaking of 32 heat my best 32 heat run was probably that one where i got a new time pb with beowulf without any duos lol

[runic fern]

20 coins? It’s horrible

[craggy barn]

i like to go for gemstones if i don't really find myself to be in need of the other choices

[rapid forum]

usually I go for something else

[craggy barn]

20 gold? i'll take what i can get lmao

[rapid forum]

darkness takes priority

or keys

[craggy barn]

besides i still haven't bought all the house renovations so like why not

[runic parrot]

why are paintings so expensive

i have like 3

[rapid forum]

well A. you have to book a painter, B. It takes a long time to paint

[half zephyr]

cuz artists need money too

[craggy barn]

are you against supporting artists?

smhsmh

[runic fern]

Well when the other upgrades are health ups, rerolls or a random boon upgrade it’s useless

[runic parrot]

i thought i was just paying the house contractor to put them up

and dad is the one that commissions the artists

smh

[rapid forum]

maybe he's the artist and we've been bamboozled all this time

[runic parrot]

besides i think those paintings are good and worth well beyond 300 gems

[craggy barn]

gonna need all the money i can get with cf2 on

[half zephyr]

I'm pretty sure dad doesn't even like the paintings

[rapid forum]

true

he likes his sundial

pretty sure if there's a telescope option he would want us to buy it

[half zephyr]

it's random shades giving the requests to the contractor I think

we're just making sure things happen

[half zephyr]

well, random shades & those who work/live at the house

had to correct myself there

[craggy barn]

who exactly wanted infernal troves and gates to erebus

[half zephyr]

fates?

[runic parrot]

i think dad put the work orders in

[crude pasture]

That feeling when you have Enshrouded and just so happen to get a hammer containing Explosive Shot

[gray iron]

Are NPC rooms RunProgress or MetaProgress?

[runic fern]

I got Erebus gates while only doing 2-3 heat runs so I just see them and they’re useless

[half zephyr]

hmmm..

[runic fern]

I assumed they were something on the pact of punishment itself

[half zephyr]

doom or chill

[runic fern]

Doom

Although the complimentary boons are better for chill

[half zephyr]

it's for a duo boon

[north leaf]

Is there a way to bulk trade at the trader? I got several thousand gems which I want to make into keys which I then want to make into nectar

[half zephyr]

vengeful mood or cold fusion

[runic parrot]

erebus gates are fun if you get them before penultimate shops and you're running butterfly

yeah. very limited

[half zephyr]

eh, Ares has never been wrong before, why now

Doom it is

[unborn remnant]

hello hello

[half zephyr]

hi lyte

doing my zeus shield run atm

had to take a pause just before theseus & asterius, but now it's battle time!

[unborn remnant]

hello shadow :)

you got this

[half zephyr]

only got 1 dd left >.<

[unborn remnant]

winnable

[half zephyr]

and just entered styx

[unborn remnant]

get the coin

athena boons

[half zephyr]

but small rooms should be good

haven't seen her

no athena

[unborn remnant]

is it EM4?

[half zephyr]

no

[unborn remnant]

you can do it then

just play a little safer

[half zephyr]

not even em3 - 5 heat run for shield

took me 5 tries to get zeus special ugh

he just.. didn't wanna give it

only attack attack attack

instead it was aphro who wanted me to have her special

[unborn remnant]

pain

[half zephyr]

on the plus side

when I did get it it was epic

[unborn remnant]

its so bad when you finally get it and its common

[half zephyr]

most my boons are epic

epic curse of agony

epic thunder flourish

epic crush shot

alas, it's my thunder dash that's basic

even my static discharge is epic XD

I'm a little curious what would happen if I actually invested in the increased epic boons mirror upgrade

YES

SPLITTING BOLT!

heheheheheheheh

zap zap zap

[unborn remnant]

I'm not a fan of thunder dash personally

I generally want my dash to be a defensive option

[half zephyr]

it was either basic thunder dash, thunder attack or thunder cast

it was my first boon

I even rerolled

TWICE

no special

but at least things got better

[unborn remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-zuko-thats-rough-buddy-thats-rough-gif-4264932

[half zephyr]

I like my hammers too

[craggy barn]

could you totally cheese hades with shield and vengeful mood?

[half zephyr]

explosive return & empowering flight

[unborn remnant]

i doubt it

[half zephyr]

heheheheheh

lyte

sweet surrender

when I have ares aphro duo

curse of longing
your doom effects continuosly strike weak foes

heheh

this won't be that hard after all

and it's epic so that's 20% damage vs weak

[unborn remnant]

yooo

privileged status?

[half zephyr]

and I got 50% bonus damage cuz of my speed

and yes, priv stat

so I got doom, weak & jolted

[unborn remnant]

thats a lot of damage

he stands no chance

[half zephyr]

oh, and my chaos boons

[unborn remnant]

today is the day for hera bow

I feel it

[half zephyr]

caustic flourish - special +48%
roiling strike - attack +77%
atrophic strike - attack +35%

[undone moat]

rush delivery is 50% from your bonus speed

what's ur bonus speed

[half zephyr]

hmmm

dunno

prolly just 10

so 5%

[undone moat]

if no Hermes boon like hyper sprint or like those for move speed then 0

plume works too

[half zephyr]

this run is not a plume run alas

yay I can afford artie boon

support fire

[unborn remnant]

good boon

[half zephyr]

heheheh

done

I love status effects

and then I die to a beetle

[unborn remnant]

fr?

[half zephyr]

yup

[unborn remnant]

what beetle?

[half zephyr]

a beetle landed on me & I died

idk, narrator didn't say

[unborn remnant]

OH

i thought you meant an enemy

[half zephyr]

nono

it was like

[unborn remnant]

I was trying to process where a beetle was in styx

lmao

[half zephyr]

I beat dad & then I died to a beetle

[undone moat]

satyr is a beetle all along

[half zephyr]

[unborn remnant]

how does zag die so quickly

besides the styx

do the fates just like giving him creative ways to come back

[half zephyr]

once it was an allergic reaction

[half zephyr]

let's see if The Darkness is with you

sword

day is still young though!

[runic fern]

I wish that we could actually see zag take care of the cottage and water the plants

[half zephyr]

I'll just do a slow run then

[unborn remnant]

one of these days

[half zephyr]

see if I can't max rank some of my god keepsakes

[unborn remnant]

i almost want you to skip the darkness just to get a bow clear

but I get it

[half zephyr]

since poseidon is still denying me

[runic fern]

I know it’d just be the same cutscene but it’d be nice

[half zephyr]

it's gotta happen soon

I've had all the others happen 😅

well, time for em3 \0/

more titan blood for Hera when the time comes

[unborn remnant]

@half zephyr its today

guaranteed

[unborn remnant]

I agree

it would be cool just as a side thing

[half zephyr]

@unborn remnant wish me luck I'm 'bout to "borrow" from Charon again

XD

lost all DD, but got the voucher!

good thing Charon is harder to beat then Hades for me

and now I got him twice in a row so yay prophecy 😄

[tight cave]

That reminds me, I faced Charon for the first time yesterday in Tartarus, had a basically useless meme beam build so I thought why not.

Died within 20 seconds.

[indigo ginkgo]

oof