h1-discussion

[runic parrot]

did you have TD on

[craggy barn]

don't tell me you had cp and td on

[runic parrot]

#h1-victory-boasting message @craggy barn my recent first 36 win

[dull niche]

cp is just 15% it’s easy right guys

[craggy barn]

cp + td3 🥲

[runic parrot]

i despise dc2 but it was pretty easy with zeus

[granite ether]

cp + js3

[brazen lagoon]

CF2, JS3, EM3, BP2, MM, FO2, DC2, TD3

Nvm I didn't have calisthenics program on

[runic parrot]

JS3???

[craggy barn]

cp2 + js3 + dc2 + td3

screw it, 60 heat

[runic parrot]

with td3 i cant handle that

[brazen lagoon]

I used eris rail so I blazed through it tbh

Cheat code

[craggy barn]

js3 sounds like a nightmare on its own if you don't have crazy aoe damage

[brazen lagoon]

Finished in like 16 and a half minutes

[craggy barn]

oh dear god js3 + fo2 + td3

what's your highest heat

[dull niche]

tbh that’s just a 45 heat pact with extra steps

[craggy barn]

less steps

[dull niche]

same difference

well maybe 40 heat, whatever

close enough

[brazen lagoon]

32

[craggy barn]

when i did 32 heat all weapons it was literally just the same pacts for everything

[brazen lagoon]

Never tried anything higher than that

[flat halo]

OH MY GOD EVERYTHING IS PANIC

[craggy barn]

except for fists when i actually had dc1 on instead of cf2

i could maybe have gone dc2 entirely and skipped cf

i personally don't see cf2 as much of a problem anyway since even though everything costs twice as much it feels like the games gives me a lot of money to buy stuff anyway

[gaunt tapir]

You shouldn't be relying on buying health or boons anyways should you

I finally unlocked secret shield :D

[craggy barn]

join the cult gho

[gaunt tapir]

and uh it doesnt seem very cool but I'll have to try it before I judge it

[brazen lagoon]

Eugh

[gaunt tapir]

why does every secret aspect feel very slow

I dont like it

[runic parrot]

i find zeus to be more reliable to build around

but i have yet to find that sweet spot for beo so maybe ill change my mind

[undone moat]

I used beo with charged shot and it's so much harder to use

[gaunt tapir]

I like zeus yes

[craggy barn]

beowulf is "heavy" but it feels far from "slow" at least when i use it

[gaunt tapir]

I shall try it

eventually

not now

I wanna do a rama run so bad

[snow void]

Hey guys if i keep a god keepsake on me through stages, does that mean tje first boon of each stage will be from that god?

[gaunt tapir]

ye

[snow void]

thank u

[undone moat]

wait no

[runic parrot]

only once

[undone moat]

it's single use

[runic parrot]

it only works once per run

[gaunt tapir]

oh wait really?

[snow void]

aw fak

[undone moat]

ye

[gaunt tapir]

whoops

[undone moat]

increase rarity that's it

[snow void]

i just walked into asphodel :<

[flat halo]

How does God Mode level up

[snow void]

i just wanted arty dislodge

[undone moat]

die

[craggy barn]

it expires when you get a boon from that god but if you keep it you have a better chance of getting high rarity boons from the respective gods

[flat halo]

When you die at the end of the run

Or you die

[snow void]

oh well

[gaunt tapir]

Xate don't try going to 32 heat with god mode

[flat halo]

why not

[granite ether]

when you die and go back to the house

[craggy barn]

i don't like gatekeeping fun and i like letting people enjoy things but if you go 32 heat with god mode i will judge you

[flat halo]

OH DAMN

[granite ether]

honestly you do you Xate ^_^

[flat halo]

GOD MODE LEVELS UP BY 2% EACH RUN DEATH

[gaunt tapir]

Yeah

[flat halo]

SO I AM ONLY AT 22%

[sharp fossil]

use god mode if you want honestly

[flat halo]

SHIIIIIIIII

[gaunt tapir]

I'm not saying using godmode is bad

[sharp fossil]

do 32 heat god mode, do 40 heat god mode

who cares

[gaunt tapir]

it's just that going for 32 heat when your top was 7 for who knows what reason is just a bad idea

[sharp fossil]

ehh

[craggy barn]

i'd recommend doing some lower heat runs so you can get used to some specific conditions like extreme measures and td

[flat halo]

It is undeniably not a good idea

[granite ether]

I mean, let people play however they want tbh

[flat halo]

But I already got 16 heat

And also maxed what I want

[runic parrot]

you shouldnt skip from 16 to 32

[sharp fossil]

if it’s fun to them, it’s a good idea

[runic parrot]

it is a bad idea

ease into it

[sharp fossil]

loads of people do this

[craggy barn]

try going for 20 first

[gaunt tapir]

yea

[flat halo]

I threw myself into the deep end lol

[runic parrot]

yeah and some succeed im sure

but not all

[sharp fossil]

sure

[craggy barn]

i'm guilty of jumping from 16 to 32 😔

[flat halo]

What's the difference between 16 and 20

[gaunt tapir]

4 more heat

🥴

[flat halo]

I literally jumped from 10 heat (Super Dad)

To 16

[gaunt tapir]

.

[sharp fossil]

yeah and that’s fine

[gaunt tapir]

I jumped from 8 to 16

like a gamer

but 16 to 32 is

😰

[sharp fossil]

idk there isn’t really a “right way” to push heat

do whatever you feel like

[runic parrot]

👆

[flat halo]

I am basically well-versed in the way of the Macedonian

In return though

[craggy barn]

i still wouldn't recommend jumping from 16 to 32 at all

[flat halo]

My god Forced Overtime 2

[gaunt tapir]

It's not recommended

go off tho

It'd be funny see you both fail and succeed

[flat halo]

So guys

[gaunt tapir]

yes

[flat halo]

What would you suggest for 32 heat

WIth Eris lightning

[runic parrot]

dc2

[craggy barn]

only reason i managed it first try is because i already had a good understanding of basically every mechanic and was pretty much pushing sub 20 runs by that point

[sharp fossil]

there was this one dude who immediately started grinding 50 as soon as he unlocked heat

[flat halo]

I got 3 sub 20 runs

[craggy barn]

dc2 eris with thunder strike is a no brainer lol

[granite ether]

iirc there's something pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies

[sharp fossil]

that might be a bit extreme, but 16 to 32 isn’t the worst thing you can do

[craggy barn]

i actually probably should have gone dc2 on my eris 32 heat

[sharp fossil]

probably

DC2 is very manageable with eris

[craggy barn]

still went well so i can't complain i guess

with thunder strike you can immediately take away two dc hearts

[sharp fossil]

32 is pretty flexible tho

there’s a lot of things that work

my first 32 was whack

TD0, JS3 CP2

wouldn’t recommend it to anyone, but it worked i guess lol

[craggy barn]

this one artist on twitter somehow managed to do chiron 32 heat with js and dc2

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/761220441049661442/811600647174094889/EuaFpxwVgAIQdHd.png

[sharp fossil]

lmao

[gaunt tapir]

jesus

[sharp fossil]

yeah that’s TD0 as well

that’s how you make it work

[gaunt tapir]

that picture scares me

[sharp fossil]

thankfully it’s a survival room

just run away lol

[runic parrot]

it's very satisfying to clear that image methinks

with zeus shield or eris with lightning

[flat halo]

https://postimg.cc/pyqbyvVG

What do you guys think of this

God mode at 22% against that Hard Labor lol

[runic parrot]

LC4 👀

[flat halo]

Anyway to help me out >.>

[granite ether]

if you're going LC4 I'd personally go Stubborn Defiance (if you're not using it already)

[sharp fossil]

you don’t really wanna run RI at 32

[flat halo]

ok

[runic parrot]

yeah substitute that with something else

[sharp fossil]

other than that, looks like a really good pact

[flat halo]

Should I do Hard Labor at all

[granite ether]

RI3 is a

[sharp fossil]

the LC4 is workable, just remember to use SD as Aggy said

[sharp fossil]

it’s RI1

still not recommended

[flat halo]

Ok

[granite ether]

oh yeah it is, you're right

I am obviously incredibly tired

[sharp fossil]

i’ve made that mistake before lol

it says -3 so it looks like RI3

[flat halo]

https://postimg.cc/3W61tftr

I went with this

Critique?

[sharp fossil]

looks good to me

[flat halo]

I AM LIGHTNING INCARNATE

Is Stubborn Roots good at heat 32

[brazen lagoon]

Ye

More reliable

[flat halo]

WAIT

I got the timer

Maybe not

[snow void]

Hey guys what aspect would you max first? Just stacked 15 titans blood before i noticed lmao

[flat halo]

Chiron bow is great

As does Eris

Question

Delta Chamber Eris with Static Lightning build

Seeking Fire or Ricochet Fire

[brazen lagoon]

Both are good honestly

My pick would be seeking

[snow void]

Thanks man

[flat halo]

Last stage

32 heat

Pom blossom or Acorn

[brazen lagoon]

Acorn if you're scared

Pom if you're not

[runic sparrow]

Acorn is nice for a few free hits

also on my 10th 'clear'

though that have gotten that far know...

[flat halo]

I did it

I beat 32 heat

[brazen lagoon]

Pog champ

[runic sparrow]

NICE

Grats!

[gaunt tapir]

Well who would've thought

Congratulations

[half zephyr]

Got merciful end for the first time
Deflect is on attack

[flat halo]

Guide to 32 heat

LIghtning Mcqueen Eris

• maniacal laughter

Man, 100 hours worth of fun

And 90~ runs

nice

And there is STILL plot lines in the house

nice

[unborn remnant]

Good morning gamers

[silk remnant]

my brother did a video review of Hades for his school project and honestly im proud lol
he played the game for 3 days straight because of it haha

[sharp fossil]

that’s pretty genius tbh

next time someone questions how much i play this game i’ll tell them i’m researching for a school project

[silk remnant]

he played it prior but got lazy, then i got him a bluetooth dongle for the controller and it motivated him to finish + with his school project haha

[sharp fossil]

nice

[high island]

"Go to sleep, hun."
"Mom, m doing homework!"

[silk remnant]

him running downstairs one day: heyheyheyhey i think i did the thing?
me: you finished the game?!
him: i think so? also i love night mommy btw

[unborn remnant]

nyx good

[runic sparrow]

Honestly my least favorite is probably Hypnos, but even he's a 6/10

[brazen lagoon]

That's a hot hot take right there

[runic sparrow]

hotter than asphodel? 🙂

[unborn remnant]

There are a lot of hypnos fans here

like a LOT a lot

[grand crystal]

yall ever just like

not sleep

[brazen lagoon]

If we're counting gods demeter would probably be my least favorite

[grand crystal]

and find out how dumb evade is

[runic sparrow]

The northeast has done something to upset Demeter recently and I don't know what it is

[brazen lagoon]

If we're not counting gods then skelly would probably be my least favourite

[grand crystal]

i hit like 50% with just zag fist and plume

and in that same session of me not sleeping

ive come to despise stygian soul

i think i just need to sleep

but i have more important matters to attend to -w-

[deep parrot]

CLOSING HADES WHEN IT WON'T LET YOU KILLS THE WHOLE RUN???

it wouldn't let me press quit so I killed it with task manager

[grand crystal]

from what ive discoverd of abusing saving in hades

is that if you just entered the chamber and or its a mid area chamber

thats the only time you can quit and come back

and or

something i find dumb

is that if you die on a boss

like right as the animation happens

you can just quit

and try the boss again

[deep parrot]

lmao

that is a bug tbh

[grand crystal]

i was tired at like 2am messing with fresh file and got mad at theseus

and i found that

and so i kept trying

i got deadly reversal and everything

but i just couldnt

[deep parrot]

like I understand why it reverted me back to training room
but like
I didn't know it would ;-;

what if it crashed or smtn instead of me killing it with task manager

[grand crystal]

yea, you can only safley quit out if its a mid chamber or as soon as you entered the room of a chamber

yea it still wouldve killed the run

it happened to me once

i was using nem sword and it crashed as i was opening the door to hades

it was very sad

since it was a fun build

and i didnt get to shred dad

[deep parrot]

I was in a trial room and chose dio first when I meant to anger him

[grand crystal]

hehe bad words

[deep parrot]

and I was like "crap I want to anger dio not zeus please"

[grand crystal]

i mean both are equally annoying

i prefer random hits over mines

my reaction time is better than my short term memeory

[deep parrot]

like zeus and dio are roughly the same difficulty
but atleast dio's are sorta still, and function like normal traps vs zeus being just chaotic

[grand crystal]

and purple blends into everything in this game

so like

i generally favor dio

also ive come to hate the aphro anger thing

since it spawned on top of me at least 3 times

[deep parrot]

I would rather anger dio than zeus

but now I get to anger neither mfg

[grand crystal]

lmao

rip tho

[deep parrot]

the thing is it keeps the seed
so how is this not worse

like I can abuse the run even more now

I'd rather suicide a run tho and get a fresh seed

[grand crystal]

damn i get that tho

[deep parrot]

so I'll prob temp get rid of all my DDs and then just suicide so I don't get a near identical run

WAIT
I fulfilled part of a prophecy in that run
that was probably undone wasn't it ;-;

IT WAS

WHYYYY

there's no reason to do that cmoooon

[grand crystal]

i mean tbh i just wouldnt care, free run

and i mean you could always take a diff trinket and wep to change the seed a bit

[deep parrot]

thing is pretty sure boons aren't given identically
so if I copy the run until I get the duo, I prolly wouldn't actually get said duo
it varies afaik the more things you get
like sure the first boon/hammer will always be the same
but after that point afaik it isn't guaranteed

[runic parrot]

im pretty sure the rng is affected by how many attacks/specials/casts you do in each room

slightly, anyway

[snow void]

hey guys which of the hidden aspects is the best/most fun? just finished the main story :< (i think)

[deep parrot]

damn
then yeah

unless you do rooms exactly the same lol

[deep parrot]

lmao that last bit
chances are you didn't if you're not confident

[runic parrot]

what aspect do you like best currently

[brazen lagoon]

Have you finished the main story pine

[grand crystal]

rama gang rama gang

[snow void]

uh i just did ||10th completion|| so im not sure but i saw the credits so maybe :<

[grand crystal]

i hate all of em besides rama

[snow void]

ZAG FIST CHEESE FOR MAXIMUM YEET

just badabadabada dashdash badabadabada dashdash

[brazen lagoon]

All hidden aspects are nothing compared to Rama

[snow void]

Chiron is also fun and so was poseidon

[runic parrot]

huh i wouldnt know what to suggest to a person who likes zag fists

[snow void]

Probably hated rail and all it stands for

[runic parrot]

rama is good though i agree with those guys

[snow void]

Why rama bow tho

And how do i unlock hidden aspects? :<

[runic parrot]

it deals a lot of damage

[deep parrot]

definitely not

[runic parrot]

and i think it synergises really well with a lot of builds(?) but i dont use it so w/e

[brazen lagoon]

How many times have you beat dad

[deep parrot]

less than ||10||

[brazen lagoon]

I see

[deep parrot]

3 I think?

[runic parrot]

#h1-story-discussion message is a guide on how to do that

varatha is the first one you have to unlock

so you can unlock the others

[heavy hound]

Fax

[snow void]

wtf why does evertthing hinge on varatha

spear is probably my least fav weapon

[grand crystal]

you dont need to use it tho

[half zephyr]

Mhmm

Just have to unlock aspects 😗

[grand crystal]

like i have gy unlocked but i refuse to touch it outside of the prophecy

[snow void]

but doesnt it cost like 2 blood for the hidden aspect :<

[grand crystal]

3

hiddens cost 3

[snow void]

ah snap

[grand crystal]

and 3 per lvl

15 to max it i think

[snow void]

thats expensive

[half zephyr]

I haven’t unlocked any of my hidden ones yet

They just waiting for me

[runic parrot]

unlock rama, apparently it's good

[half zephyr]

Meh

Bow is my least fave weapon

Rama will likely be last used XD

[grand crystal]

but you can break 1k damage with like the most free setup

[snow void]

Yes fist definitely best

[grand crystal]

rama is just such a free dub

[half zephyr]

Doesn’t matter when my playstyle in this game is dash dash dash & dash-strike

[runic parrot]

i mean

that's also how people use bow

[strong ridge]

imo rama is just chiron on auto target

[half zephyr]

I can’t

I turn into a glass cannon somehow

[grand crystal]

yea what electronic said, thats how everyone plays bow

idk a single person that does standing power shots with bow

[half zephyr]

Not this streamer I’m watching

She barely ever dashes

[grand crystal]

ewwwww

[strong ridge]

double shot explosive would like a word

[half zephyr]

I keep shouting at the screen for her to dash more XD

[heavy hound]

Rama has very good crowd control and single target damage

[runic parrot]

looks around nervously

[half zephyr]

And then she wonders why she spends so much time on each run lol

[grand crystal]

hey id still break my dash button in that setup

[half zephyr]

I’m on switch

Basic control setup

Fun times

[grand crystal]

and then theres me who messes with plume and gets like 50% move speed

[grand crystal]

hehe yea, we be breaking that b button

[half zephyr]

I just did a 5 heat zag sword run with plume 😄

[grand crystal]

oh nice

my plume was with zag fist for that evade

[half zephyr]

Didn’t get that much dodge sadly - chaos refusing me & Hermès teasing me

[grand crystal]

and hermes didnt want to give me anything -_-

so i had to go off of wep and plume

[strong ridge]

@half zephyr do zag fist w the plume and soar

[grand crystal]

but i still hit like 50% evade

[half zephyr]

He kept wanting to give me the legendary instead

[grand crystal]

^^^^OMFG MEE TOO

[half zephyr]

I refused it like 4 times I think

[grand crystal]

HE KEPT OFFERING GREATER RECALL

[half zephyr]

The other for me

[grand crystal]

AND I WAS LIKE "MAN WHY CANT YOU DO THIS IN MY HERA RUNS"

[half zephyr]

I had nice setup tho

Rare chill attack, epic doom special

Rare or epic tidal dash

[unborn remnant]

on what

chaos?

also hello

[strong ridge]

sord

[half zephyr]

Epic crystal beam

[unborn remnant]

was that the build?

[half zephyr]

Regen bloodstone

[unborn remnant]

I never run the regen stone

especially with hera

multicast goated

[half zephyr]

I didn’t go with any build in mind other then “dodge”

[grand crystal]

oh yea i got the aphro/pos duo and dio/pos duo by asphodel last night

in a chiron pos bow run

it was a t r i p

[unborn remnant]

wait im literally doing the same thing

[strong ridge]

regen bloodstone is goated for dion and demeter cast

[unborn remnant]

im just doing funny dodge go brrrr

[grand crystal]

well less last night and more so earlyier this morning -_-

i dont sleep at all anymore

[half zephyr]

I found that regen worked better for me after I tried it

[unborn remnant]

more power to you then

[heavy hound]

You tried it!!

[half zephyr]

Everyone keeps wanting to push extra bloodstones on me anyways so why not just get the regen one

[unborn remnant]

but with most cast builds, the multicast works better

[grand crystal]

yea

[unborn remnant]

Poseidon, Hera, etc

[grand crystal]

but i couldnt get sea storm sadly

[heavy hound]

Rip

[grand crystal]

i got the funny duos tho

[heavy hound]

Seastorm necessary

[grand crystal]

sweet nectar and premium access

[half zephyr]

Except that run when I got 5 regen casts

And the insta regen boon

[strong ridge]

sea storm sucz w/o good zeus boon

[half zephyr]

That was fun

[grand crystal]

i still absoloutly shrredded bosses tho without sea storm >:3

[strong ridge]

dub

[half zephyr]

I didn’t know Hades could have 9-10 bloodstones lodged in him at once

[snow void]

poseidon aspect with dislodge is just freaky

[grand crystal]

yk i did stygian and was confused how i could still get exit wounds

then i got it

and it bothered me

like

there isnt a cast dropping

[snow void]

skskssksksk

btw is nemesis any good? Crit seems fun

[marsh bloom]

someone knows the price for the future retail version?

[grand crystal]

yeaaa i did a run last night

and it wasnt even lvled

base

and i still got crazy numbers

like

[half zephyr]

Nem is fun

[grand crystal]

you do arte attack with either athena/aphro special

and whichever you dont take for special put it on dash

then run for duos

[unborn remnant]

how

[half zephyr]

And hope for hammer upgrade that gives +40% critical chance or smth on attack

[snow void]

thanks plum now i have a new yeet build 😌

[grand crystal]

i generally go for double nova, the dash strike double hit, or wave

[deep parrot]

what in everyone's opinion is y'all's condition to first improve to make it so the difficulty rise is at a minimum (btw I started on Hell mode, so ofc my answer might be diff since I have less options)
I chose jury summons to increase first

[grand crystal]

np 😎

[half zephyr]

5 regen bloodstones + insta regen boon + aphro cast that’s how

[unborn remnant]

LMAO

[grand crystal]

HEHE HELL MODE

[unborn remnant]

that's very funny

[grand crystal]

IM NOT THE ONLY ONE

[unborn remnant]

good build shadow

[half zephyr]

Completely accidental, but so so much fun

[grand crystal]

but tbh wdym

like pact condition??

[unborn remnant]

it doesnt have to be good as long as its funny

isnt that why we play games after all

[half zephyr]

Yup

[unborn remnant]

🤝

[deep parrot]

yeah
what pact condition did you increase first to make it roughly the same difficulty, yet still 1 heat higher?
I chose jury summons
I'd choose damage control if my fav build wasn't hestia + hazard bomb lmao

[unborn remnant]

timer

[deep parrot]

I like to take it real slow

as much time as I need

so I def wouldn't do that first

[grand crystal]

ummm i generally do DC or CF or like CP and or HS

CF tbh

ez

[brazen lagoon]

I've gotten so accustomed to like speedrunning and stuff I restart a run if I don't clear tartarus in less than 3 minutes

[grand crystal]

gets you to not rely on shops

[brazen lagoon]

For ez heat i do TD

Or like EM

[grand crystal]

yea em1 is ez

em2 is a bit harder tbh, i still lose dds sometimes to it

and i cannot for the life of me do em3 easily

[flat halo]

EM3 ranged is fine

[brazen lagoon]

Em3 is not easy for me

[flat halo]

Divine dash helps a lot

[brazen lagoon]

I hate it

[flat halo]

Now melee em3 is harder

[grand crystal]

i always take it but man, i must just suck then

[flat halo]

It's essentially a game of bull fighting

[brazen lagoon]

Em3 with fists is so hard

[grand crystal]

hehe get it

since asterius is a bull man

[unborn remnant]

Pause the game

[flat halo]

While dodging red circles

[heavy hound]

HS is a trap

Do not do it

[flat halo]

Then you just stick to the butt of the man

[unborn remnant]

gives you time to think and make decisions

[flat halo]

dont pick hs

[deep parrot]

I also like to do combats slow tho

[brazen lagoon]

c o m e d i é

[unborn remnant]

well thats a problem

[deep parrot]

exactly

so I won't prioritize it

[grand crystal]

-w-

[deep parrot]

if I do combats fast I don't think and lose a lot of HP easily

[brazen lagoon]

Think then 4head

[deep parrot]

how am I supposed to think when all I can do is just spam basically to make it fast

I like taking it slow with ultra high dph
aka hestia with hazard bomb :P

I like JS cuz it does nothing to the bosses

[grand crystal]

i mean CF is always ez

[deep parrot]

just a couple extra enemies

[grand crystal]

especially if youre good at the charon fight its kinda just free

hehe

which is funny

since it ups the prices

hehe

yea i need to sleep

[deep parrot]

CF doesn't sound easy to me

[brazen lagoon]

It's not too high a price raise tbh

[deep parrot]

either you're low on cash or you're flowing in it cuz you sold a legend or killed charon or smtn

and CF makes being low on it even more likely

it is already way too common that I don't have the money to buy anything useful at a shop

[grand crystal]

well then youll be fine!

you already cant buy anything

so now you cant buy anything even harder

[deep parrot]

yeah but it isn't always
it's like 20% of the time or smtn

[grand crystal]

yea its not bad

i play with CF2 and the food goes from 50 to 90

its not bad

[deep parrot]

god

[grand crystal]

like yea im broke after i buy a couple of things

but after like 1 area i get it back

boons are like 270 i think

kiss o' styx is like 380

god grab bag is 225

like its not bad

[deep parrot]

god

[grand crystal]

i already feel too damn rich on normal runs

[deep parrot]

that's a lot

[grand crystal]

and now i feel like i work for minimum wage at a burger king

i mean cf1 isnt nearly as much

since its only 40% instead of 80% increase

it just gets you to not rely on shops

it gets you to rely on patty in elysium :3

then his ass does what he did to achilles in the war

just leaves

and never comes back

when all you wanted was a hydralite gold or styx premium

[deep parrot]

yeah patty isn't guaranteed lol

isn't hydralite like always the worst option tho?

[heavy hound]

CP and CF are terrible pact conditions for first few heat

[heavy hound]

No

[brazen lagoon]

Hydralite can be pretty good if you have full dds but like basically no health

[deep parrot]

remind me what CP are

[brazen lagoon]

Enemies have more health

[heavy hound]

Cath something programs

[brazen lagoon]

From +15 to +30

% btw

[grand crystal]

calisthenics program

[half zephyr]

Hydralite can be nice to have if you manage to get it going into Hades fight too

[heavy hound]

It’s not even recommended for 32 heat

Cp

[half zephyr]

Get a chance at health back from the mobs he summons

[grand crystal]

funny for you too assume we look at those -w-

[heavy hound]

Wut

[grand crystal]

ive been told my 32 is wack

[heavy hound]

Don’t worry my first 32 was cp2 and Js

I was too scared of em3

[grand crystal]

me over here with ri1 and hs

[brazen lagoon]

Mine was JS3 and TD3

[deep parrot]

JS is probably a way better idea than CP

[heavy hound]

RI1 wtf???

[grand crystal]

SEEEE

[deep parrot]

I went JS first too arty

[grand crystal]

IM APPARENTLY WEIRD

[heavy hound]

People don’t even use it for 50 sometimes

[grand crystal]

hehe losers

[heavy hound]

I also had fo on for my first 32

[half zephyr]

I barely survived my 9 heat run

[grand crystal]

god yall early access remember when heat was a resource you had to earn

to then use it in the pact

those were the good ol days

[heavy hound]

Don’t worry soon you’ll be saying I only have done a 32 run

[grand crystal]

and then theres the absolute chads that do 40 heat on all weapons

[unborn remnant]

Gonna do a 10 heat run today

maybe

Or I'll try to get statue 2

maybe some EM4?

[heavy hound]

Then there are absolute chad gamers that are going 50 heat each weapon called tailesque

[grand crystal]

ah yes the legend themselves

[heavy hound]

I did one weapon 40 and I pretty much fluked that

No way am i doing all weapons 40

[grand crystal]

yea i tried a chiron 40 and died at hydra

[heavy hound]

My rama 40 was just to see how far i could go

I was planning on resetting bcs ap crossed out triple shot at the start

[deep parrot]

that actually sounds cool

[grand crystal]

yea, you used to get like 1 at a time for beating hydra

back when hydra was the "final boss"

[deep parrot]

wait wut

like
no elysium or anything?
ended at asphodel?

[brazen lagoon]

Yea

[grand crystal]

yep

[brazen lagoon]

Very early access

[grand crystal]

but they had a funny joke of "what are the shades going to think about this" and hades just says "too bad theyll have to wait" or smth

it was great

and like half of the cast didnt have art

well more like 1/3 didnt have art

arte used to be less simpable cuz of that

[brazen lagoon]

Nyx was just a guy in a cloak

So was sisyphus

[grand crystal]

and arte

very cool whne they got reveals tho

charon was the generic too

chaos didnt exist

[deep parrot]

what was the art for this "generic guy in cloak"?

[grand crystal]

neither did than or the other furies

[brazen lagoon]

Guy with cloak over head

[deep parrot]

sounds like they made temporary art that they knew they'd eventually throw away lmao

[brazen lagoon]

Visualise it and you have the art

[deep parrot]

yeah but like, actual image

[grand crystal]

its hard to find

[brazen lagoon]

Don't have one

[grand crystal]

since verything is fanart

when you look up "generic" or "no art"

[brazen lagoon]

You can find it in some of the hades documentaries tho

[deep parrot]

how much quality did it have?

if it was a high quality image of a dude with a cloak on his head, that's a lot of wasted effort lmao

[brazen lagoon]

It was

But it was used for every character that didn't have a design

Which was a lot

[deep parrot]

imo intentionally non-final art should just be crap that took 2 seconds in ms paint

like some of the early access factorio art

[brazen lagoon]

Well its supergiant games

Nothing is half-assed

[brisk trail]

lol

[deep parrot]

yeah but why make a thing final product worthy if you literally know you're going to throw it away

it's early access

(at that time)

use your artists on the end result, not a temporary cover up

[brazen lagoon]

I guess SGG just puts 110% into everything

[deep parrot]

idk maybe I'm just saying this cuz I don't really care about graphics long as it doesn't make me gag

like sure you could make a game look so ugly I'd refuse to play it
but like
it takes 0 effort to make something in ms paint that isn't that bad

[grand crystal]

oh yea and before the other weapons came out

i mean fists and rail btw

everyone wanted an axe, scythe, or some form of magic/fire

i joked about gloves so he can just punch meg once

and they did it

[deep parrot]

tbf gun is an odd choice

[grand crystal]

so like

[simple ice]

i love the fists

[grand crystal]

yeaa but theres a gun in every game i thnk

right

like in pyre

[deep parrot]

like
the rail is very unrealistic to mythology, since guns didn't exist that long ago

[grand crystal]

they just have a gun

[deep parrot]

no??

a LOT of medieval games have only medieval weapons

[grand crystal]

like the transistor is just a lazer gun tbh

[deep parrot]

the closest they get is a crossbow or bow

[grand crystal]

i mean sgg

bastion had a rifle, pistols, and a blunderbuss

[deep parrot]

I mean games in general

this is my first SGG game

[grand crystal]

transistor had a sword gun thing

idk what pyre has

im sure theres a gun tho

[deep parrot]

never heard of them before a recent MMM 24hr twitch stream

[grand crystal]

lemme ask in the pyre channel

[deep parrot]

and MMM is a nintendo gamer lol

they mostly play SMW romhacks

[grand crystal]

yea no there is no gun in pyre ;w;

[waxen juniper]

Nope. Pyre doesn't have any 'weapons' really

[deep parrot]

wot

most games have weapons

[waxen juniper]

It is very magic oriented. You have something called an aura. That can either be used offensively or defensively.
You do have some other magic skills, but I don't remember much about them tbh

[deep parrot]

oh
well magic is a weapon

though it isn't a physical one

[waxen juniper]

That's why I put it in 'quotes like this'

[grand crystal]

magic basketball

thats pyre

[waxen juniper]

It's a weapon, but not in the way we normally think about typical weapons

[deep parrot]

wot

[waxen juniper]

Yea, that is a very good analogy

[deep parrot]

uhm
your thought of weapon and my thought of weapon are very different

when I think weapon, I think anything that's main purpose is to harm someone

offensive magic's main function is to harm someone

[waxen juniper]

Okay. Let's move on

[waxen juniper]

I was more referring to the weapon types mention in this comment bite

[deep parrot]

I swear I always end up starting the hydra fight with <25 health
(usually all my DDs tho)

[runic sparrow]

you know what'd be kinda neat? if the survival rooms kept track of how many monsters you killed in that time limit

[waxen juniper]

That's be interesting for sure

Sadly you almost never see survival rooms because of TD.

[deep parrot]

hopefully this isn't one of the many that I lose a DD because of it
it isn't too difficult to do hydra with no damage taken, though it heavily depends on which heads they have
I highly prefer some heads to others

[waxen juniper]

I tend to get hit pretty hard in the EM hydra fight

[deep parrot]

the lava head is my favorite

[waxen juniper]

Don't always lose a DD, but it gets very close

[deep parrot]

darn lost a DD

shouldn't lose any more tho
and I got dio's fountain buff so I'll probably end the fight with 100% health

assuming I have atleast 25% left

[runic sparrow]

the energy wave heads are ez if you have a deflect boon

[deep parrot]

my only deflect boon is the one that happens if you take damage

yup had just under 50% left
so elysium starts with 2/3 DD and 205/205 hp

damn

and the stairway shop has a Kiss

if only I had 200g
hopefully I can manage to sell something in a way that's worth it

alright
starting elysium with max everything

[half zephyr]

I just did my 10 heat run \0/

I won

[waxen juniper]

Congrats

[half zephyr]

48 hp left lol

[waxen juniper]

A win is a win 😎

[half zephyr]

Yuss

I have a current streak of 20

[runic sparrow]

ot

[deep parrot]

tfw you get ! in elysium before you lost all your DDs

dude I am seeing you WAY TOO EARLY EE

[half zephyr]

Cyclops~

[runic sparrow]

I mean, if you've lost ANY, it's worth. Free DD restoration. shrug

[waxen juniper]

If you lost a DD, then you are seeing Patty just in time

[deep parrot]

I have all 3 tho

that's the thing

I was lowish on heath tho so eh
but like
30% every room is so much, half that hydralite is gonna be wasted

[waxen juniper]

Well, that is unless you get hit in the process

Either way, it's a full heal

[half zephyr]

I do cyclops

[deep parrot]

yeah it is always guaranteed to heal you up to full, or if you take damage inbetween, to heal 150%
though I am on hell mode
so it probably usually does like 50% per room lmao
which would be 250% heal lol

[half zephyr]

If my dd is full

I tend to have enough health

[deep parrot]

TFW you get a dio boosted fountain room while on hydralite gold
EEE
damn you fountain wasting a use of my hydralite

[unborn remnant]

how

insane

[deep parrot]

ggs

to the thing you just replied to

I didn't fight anything big or anything

[runic sparrow]

man, this run is blessed right now

11 HP in Elysium, and the next chamber I get is a fountain

[craggy barn]

not really a blessed run if you're at 11 health in elysium

[runic sparrow]

shush, you

it's blessed in the sense that I got a fountain chamber when I really needed it

[deep parrot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/812743793878761492/unknown.png

[runic sparrow]

hmmm

oh nice, Epic Bronze Skin

[deep parrot]

I swear trove trials are the worst in elysium
but I prolly could manage positive gain not loss?
idk

[runic sparrow]

up to you

[deep parrot]

oh
this last use of the hydralite is gonna restore me to 237 anyways
that's practically full
no need to risk it for 18 hp max gain lol

when I could have a fair chance of instead losing 50 hp

[vapid narwhal]

P much all major NPCs did not have their final sprite quite late into early access, so a shade and "guy with cloak" were their place holder asset

like how Eurydice was a yellow shade, Orpheus was a gray one

[deep parrot]

... that doesn't answer the question

I was asking for a literal image

[craggy barn]

yeah i noticed how in early access hades vids the npc all appears to just be these brightly coloured shades

[vapid narwhal]

there are some on the wiki still

cant remember who

[craggy barn]

even hypnos

[vapid narwhal]

but a couple character's wiki page has their pre final place holder cloak dialogue portrait

[deep parrot]

which ones?
I am checking and I don't see it in any I picked to look at so far

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hades_gamepedia_en/images/9/9e/Ares_old.png/revision/latest?cb=20181217090043

this is not a dude in a cloak tho

this is just what they first thought they'd made ares look like I guess

random side question
why are gorgons just heads for some reason?

[runic sparrow]

that's interesting, did they remove the placeholder art from the wiki

I rdefinitely remember them being there

ah here it is

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hades_gamepedia_en/images/8/87/Charon_old.png

[buoyant merlin]

does anyone have an idea of what some of the most obscure and rare dialogue options you can find in Hades are? I know you can just straight up not talk to nyx and stuff like that, but I'm not sure if it actually provokes unique lines. (answer in #h1-story-discussion ig?)

[deep parrot]

dying to really easy to kill enemies
pretty sure hypnos has like 3 unique lines for every potential enemy you can die for

[runic sparrow]

Zag has a couple if you die in the first couple of rooms after having almost gotten to the end.

[vapid narwhal]

fresh run clear has an unique dialogue

[buoyant merlin]

what about not taking any damage at all

[vapid narwhal]

boonless also has one

[deep parrot]

wdym fresh run clear

[craggy barn]

first try clear

[deep parrot]

HOW DO YOU GO BOONLESS??

[deep parrot]

oh lol

[buoyant merlin]

activate god mode i guess

[craggy barn]

shackle makes boonless not so bad

[runic sparrow]

... okay that answers my question of 'if boonless is possible'

[vapid narwhal]

shackle, hidden sword, swap out dark foresight

[hybrid moon]

nah if you are good you could do it, it is heat 0 anyways

[vapid narwhal]

boonless is literally one of the end run title so it's obviously possible

[deep parrot]

no like, you would need insane luck for the game even letting you beat the game without collecting a boon

[vapid narwhal]

fated authority

reroll boons away

[craggy barn]

boonless is very possible. you just need the shackle, fated authority and also git gud or whatever

[hybrid moon]

you sell the boons

[vapid narwhal]

you can also take 3 per biome

since if you have 3, those 3 will always show up at the sell store

[buoyant merlin]

is there unique dialogue for having boons of only 1 god

[vapid narwhal]

so you can purge them away

[deep parrot]

not saying from difficulty
I mean literally from the game shoving boons down your throat constantly

[vapid narwhal]

no, you can roll them away with Fated Authority

[craggy barn]

exactly, that's why you need fated authority

[hybrid moon]

last biome is the problem if you dont have enough rerolls

[deep parrot]

imagine if you could refuse a room's reward

[craggy barn]

i just figured out a big brain strat for boonless

[vapid narwhal]

plus, as I said, you can take a couple and sell them away at the post boss chamber

[deep parrot]

I think that'd be cool tbh

[craggy barn]

getting an epic rarity boon on purpose so you can sell it for a lot of obols later

[vapid narwhal]

yeah RNG also plays into this

imagine a 5 sack

[deep parrot]

lmao

2 sac best sac

time to go into elysium boss with exactly 300 max hp, and with my hp and DDs at max

I expect this run to be a win

imo styx is the easiest tbh

though hades is ofc the hardest, if it isn't charon

[hybrid moon]

There is max hp value?

[vapid narwhal]

king and bull is harder than hades

[deep parrot]

I mean that my max hp is at 300

[half zephyr]

I go up in heats 1 at a time pr weapon & I do material collection runs every now & then to relax >.>

[deep parrot]

not the max max

if there is a max max

[vapid narwhal]

EM4 > EM3 > Charon > Theseus and Asterius > Hades

[craggy barn]

5 sack during a farming run 😃 👍

[half zephyr]

I struggle at the higher heats XD

And high for me is just 7+ >.>

[unborn furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-lmao-lmfao-game-roblox-gif-17444720

[deep parrot]

during a farming run it doesn't even matter

[unborn remnant]

1 heat at a time gang

[hybrid moon]

if you have mirror and find lots of hearts probably you could get 1000

[deep parrot]

why wouldn't you

[craggy barn]

getting the fountain at the last chamber can mean a lot

[unborn remnant]

some people dont do that

[craggy barn]

if you took some damage boom it's all healed back lmao

[deep parrot]

oh that is true @craggy barn
especially if you got the dio upgrade

[runic sparrow]

.>

https://i.imgur.com/tW9sZPc.jpg Nice

[half zephyr]

[deep parrot]

🙄

[unborn remnant]

i might break that rule though

either EM4 or second statue today

[half zephyr]

Good luck either way

I feel like doing some slow material collection runs now after the 10 heat one

[hybrid moon]

My weapons are just on heat 6 I think hahaha maybe I get heat 10 runs soon

[half zephyr]

My weapons are all over the place

I go to the thirsty weapons

[runic sparrow]

the fists are the lowest heat, and I haven't even fought the final boss with them

[half zephyr]

Fists fun

[runic sparrow]

despite having 'cleared' with them

[half zephyr]

Max out zag & use plume

[hybrid moon]

Fists are nice lol, better if you jnlocked the aspects

[half zephyr]

So much dodge

[runic sparrow]

tenth clear and all that

I like how chunky Arthur's hits feel

[buoyant merlin]

is there dialogue for clearing on the highest possible heat

[runic sparrow]

maybe?

[hybrid moon]

try on a clean save with cheats 🤣

[buoyant merlin]

if theres cheats I didn't know about them

[half zephyr]

I need to do a Poseidon run to get his legend.. and a Demeter-Ares run for their duo cast boon >.<

[hybrid moon]

you can use the cheat whenever you want... just makes you invincible I think?

[half zephyr]

Gif mode isn’t a cheat

[buoyant merlin]

you mean god mode?

[half zephyr]

And all it does is add 20% dmg resist

[buoyant merlin]

it makes it easier but it's not invinciblity

[hybrid moon]

reallu?

[half zephyr]

Goes up 2% each time you die

Until 80%

That’s it

[hybrid moon]

lol ;D

[half zephyr]

It’s just to help out

[unborn remnant]

I thought it was 40?

[half zephyr]

No, it’s 80

[craggy barn]

40% is... a bit low honestly

[unborn remnant]

Pinball moment

[obsidian pagoda]

mmmmmm aspect of zagreus shield with daedulus 7 hit upgrade and ares doom special boon make me go aaaaa

[unborn remnant]

Just wait till you see chaos shield

[half zephyr]

I’ve had his prerequisite 3 runs in a row now but no bueno

[unborn remnant]

Whos?

[half zephyr]

Chaos was fun, but I didn’t trigger the special often enough

I don’t bull rush often

[half zephyr]

🔱

[unborn remnant]

oh

Whats the prerequisite?

[hybrid moon]

Chaos max level I think is good

[half zephyr]

It’s one of the knock away boons & then one of the ones that are..

Let me remember

Wave breaker?

[unborn remnant]

you could do Splash Dash

[half zephyr]

It’s slam into barriers & the other one

I tried

[unborn remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-zuko-thats-rough-buddy-thats-rough-gif-4264932

[half zephyr]

By the time I got both prerequisites I got no more Poseidon

[unborn remnant]

Are you using conch shell?

[half zephyr]

Or it was capped behind Styx price with +40%

[unborn remnant]

maybe keep it on for a large portion of the run

[half zephyr]

Ye

[unborn remnant]

idk if the charge resets

[half zephyr]

Oh, he showed up

He just offered me other things

[unborn remnant]

you could also take the upgrade boons items

reroll?

[half zephyr]

Maxed

And bad luck

[unborn remnant]

none left?

[half zephyr]

Ye

[buoyant merlin]

has anyone seen people make games video on hades dialogue? it's p good

[half zephyr]

He’s playing with me!!

First the Theseus convo & now this!!

[unborn remnant]

next time for sure

absolutely

just gotta keep using poseidon i guess

all poseidon build

[half zephyr]

I know

[unborn remnant]

soon™️

Where are you in the run

[half zephyr]

I’m on break

My hand

After heat 10

[unborn remnant]

oh fair enough

mouse & keyboard or controller?

[half zephyr]

48 hp lyte

No, I’m on switch

[unborn remnant]

switch gang

ayy

[half zephyr]

But just.. rail with regen stone with ares cast where I didn’t get the seeking one I wanted - sad - and just

[craggy barn]

shadow what are your 10 heat conditions?

[half zephyr]

Hit dash special shooooooot dash dash dash

Uhm.. em3, the money one & middle management

[unborn remnant]

I think the issue might be how you specialize your build

[half zephyr]

XD

[craggy barn]

how long do your runs usually take?

[unborn remnant]

like when you use a weapon, think of a game plan for how to use it

[half zephyr]

Uhm.. 23-33mins

[unborn remnant]

what boons you want

[half zephyr]

Depends on if I forget to pause or not when I get distracted by stuff irl

[unborn remnant]

like with rail, I barely use cast

[craggy barn]

since you can consistently clear in under 33 minutes td3 should be no issue

[half zephyr]

Me neither

[unborn remnant]

because the rail just doesnt lend itself to cast

i pour those resources into attack special and dash

[half zephyr]

I had epic ares attack too

[craggy barn]

if i'm not even using a cast build i consider using cast anyways to be important because of the boiling blood debuff which makes your attacks deal so much more damage

[unborn remnant]

thats a good one

[half zephyr]

I mostly used the cast to deal with Styx rooms & the mobs hades summoned

[hybrid moon]

I hate when hades summons the blue crystals...

[craggy barn]

if your damage is good i find the adds to basically be a non-threat

[unborn remnant]

See, I think everything in styx kinda just

dies instantly

[craggy barn]

they always die in like 4 seconds anyway lol

the styx bosses are a bit tanky but at the end of the day dealing with them is way less time-consuming than dealing with waves of weaker(ish) enemies anyway

[unborn remnant]

yeah exactly

which makes them better for speedruns

[craggy barn]

i'd personally rather deal with a big bother + dire snakestone than a bunch of bruiser whatever styx has in offer

[unborn remnant]

facts

[cyan sage]

Does Kiss of Styx stack if you havent lost any of your DD

or does it just do nothing

[half zephyr]

I don't think you get it as an option

[craggy barn]

you can get it from patty but it still does nothing

only way to getting more than 3 out of 3 dds is from chaos

[cyan sage]

aight

[half zephyr]

and lucky tooth

[unborn remnant]

I always find the sound of accepting a chaos boon unintentionally funny

[raw siren]

How do I find demeter and thanatos

[undone moat]

Thanatos back at home or randomly during run, take Demeter keepsake if you need to see her

[craggy barn]

he probably hasn't encountered demeter yet though

[undone moat]

ahh that explains

um then for Demeter you need to ||reach the surface||

[raw siren]

Aw man

[undone moat]

btw ||out of Styx|| is already considered surface

[craggy barn]

been trying to get chain skewer so i can fill out the list but haha funny rng moment

[copper canopy]

Does anyone know if anybody’s done a boonless mirrorless run with EM4?

I really want to see that.

[runic sparrow]

that sounds like literal hell

[tepid plover]

we have some naturals in the community, wouldnt be surprised if someones done it aleady

[heavy hound]

Someone probably has

[copper canopy]

But I want to seeeee iiiiiiiit

[unborn remnant]

Just had a run with a 41.8% dodge rate

[half zephyr]

nice

[unborn remnant]

it was funny until I lost dd to it

unlucky

[fast dawn]

So i'm like brand new and managed to beat the game abusing rail and hangover damage.. lol.

[unborn remnant]

16 Heat run time

with EM4

[runic sparrow]

https://i.imgur.com/56bIWIf.jpg oh lordy that's a big area

[fast depot]

How do I beat Thanatos???

[half zephyr]

be fast?

high dps

and ks

[tepid plover]

just ks

well you cant technically ks since he doesnt do dmg lol

[fast depot]

Ahh

Pog

[copper canopy]

Just go for the targets he’s going for and try to knock enemies out of his spell circles

Usually your build will be strong enough to beat him if you do that.

[indigo ginkgo]

hellooo

I have a question but it touches on some kinda spoiler area

[half zephyr]

spoilers are fine in here

[indigo ginkgo]

oh okay

so I had just come back from an escape and from the corridor I saw nyx had the big exclamation mark, but I went to achiles first which led me to hades's room, then when I got out of there nyx had a regular exclamation mark, and I haven't been able to get a quest from her again after a few runs

is there any chance it's bugged or do I just need to keep going

[half zephyr]

that's beyond me

[indigo ginkgo]

oof

[half zephyr]

[indigo ginkgo]

it's a very specific situation, I couldn't find other people mentioning it from a light google search

[half zephyr]

I'm sure someone knows

I only have around 85+h of playtime myself XD
I'm a baby

[fast depot]

What is the best keepsake?

[half zephyr]

[indigo ginkgo]

lol I started last week

[half zephyr]

depends on situation

[indigo ginkgo]

have less than 50 hours