Like I'm pretty sure but I'd like to confirm still
#h1-discussion
hexed shore
viscid moss
depends on when your attack hits
hexed shore
Three specials per attack
viscid moss
if the target is far its 2
im not sure at what range you need to be for 3
the real winner is getting purple hermes and hitting 4-5 per attack 
warm fable
this is probably the best combat in the rougelikes that I've played
viscid moss
the weapon variety combined with boon variety is 
viscid moss
you get 1 extra blast with +4 arrows, yeaaaa, theres no way it can match the dps right?
hexed shore
544 with relentless
So you're not matching it no, especially cause the worst case scenario on the first is two volleys
If you get three out it's 1062 LUL
viscid moss
nah
you add +24+27+30+33 to base damage
you pair it with artemis special
it was low heat, but i legit 6 shot final boss
hexed shore
Oh I was still doing the Calc for demeter
viscid moss
best run i ever had
hexed shore
Which is almost 1300 for 2 specials so that's actually better than conc only demeter
Artemis there's no doubt conc would be better
Especially cause you can heart rend too
prisma wind
Yeah, it gets pretty nutty with Heart Rend
hexed shore
How much percentage is heart rend btw I actually never read it
prisma wind
Courtney (Dusa/Aphro VA) absolutely melted final boss last night with that combo on her first ||32 heat|| attempt if you want to see what that looks like as a build
hexed shore
What? The VAs stream the game?
prisma wind
I think she's the only VA that regularly streams it, yes. I think Marin has streamed a couple times but not often
hexed shore
Who is marin
prisma wind
Athena/Alecto/Tissy VA
tiny tundra
Doe Alecto have a nickname like Megaera and Tisiphone?
prisma wind
Not that I've ever seen used
tiny tundra
I was thinking “Lex” or “Lexi”. Not sure how “Alecto” conjugates in Ancient Greek, but that could provide some pointers, depending upon the root form.
prisma wind
Anyway, if you want to see the clip of Heart Rend+Relentless+Concentrated+Chiron it's here (spoilers for end game content) ||https://clips.twitch.tv/TawdryAssiduousSandpiperNerfBlueBlaster||
hexed shore
Alecto is a really short name
viscid moss
Same number of syllables as Megaera.
Al
prisma wind
Imagine Alecto's reaction if Zag ever called her Al
hexed shore
Lecty
viscid moss
Lect
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Lec
viscid moss
Le
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Toe
viscid moss
Le Toe
hexed shore
À la Toè
pliant sparrow
Big A
hexed shore
Big toe lec
prisma wind
which of these would make her the *most* mad do you think?
Simply speaking to her
hexed shore
Imagine needing to say anything to make toe mad
I enter tarturus and she goes perma-rage boi
dapper oracle
I rest easy knowing I'm beneath her
hexed shore
Excuse me what
manic bobcat
^
dapper oracle
as in she wouldn't be called in to torture me
I'm not even worth her notice and that makes me feel safe
sorry for the weird phrasing
warped rune
im out here. .. just gamin'
noble karma
Ah thanks. I chose relentless but I ||finally managed to kill EM4 Hades||!
prisma wind
Congrats!
noble karma
Thanks! What boon is best on Chiron special? I thought it was Artemis because more chance for critical hit?
prisma wind
Artemis or Dio are both solid options
Going for Heart Rend or Low Tolerance respectively is ideal
latent gyro
I wish there was an experimentation mode where you could manually choose your weapons/boons in an arena for test purposes
noble karma
||What the heck happened in the third phase of EM Hades? There were a couple of bong sounds and he just stood there. ||
prisma wind
||What the heck happened in the third phase of EM Hades? There were a couple of ...
||When he's doing that, the urns on the battlefield start healing him. This also happens in phase 2||
carmine spindle
Im scared to use extreme measures ngl
noble karma
Ohhh, like that mini boss in The Witcher 3.
prisma wind
I'm not familiar, but sure 
noble karma
||So you have to go in for the kill? He’s shielded though. ||
prisma wind
You can either ||try to break the urns that are flashing to stop the healing, or just use the opportunity to try to out-DPS the healing rate||
noble karma
I got really lucky because I had no idea what the hell was happening. I was not watching his health bar.
||So when the bongs sounded I just went up to him and hit him as many times as I could. I guess that worked? ||
prisma wind
Yup
hexed shore
whats the crit percent from arty special
prisma wind
20% I think? Just going from memory. Attack is 15
carmine spindle
the aid I think is around 30%
carmine spindle
never had that duo so idk
hexed shore
to give more context im wondering if going for heartrend with dio special and splitting headache is better or just arty special
ofcourse this build requiers three duos which is prolly pushing it but i mean in a theoretical sense which would be better dps
carmine spindle
RDR2 got Steam GOTY? LOL... robbed
didn't the pc version came out 2019 or smthn?
tough pivot
didn't the pc version came out 2019 or smthn?
Early Access on Epic?
carmine spindle
also i barely have duos at all so Im bad when it comes to knowing about them
carmine spindle
Early Access on Epic?
and yee i guess lmfao
hexed shore
tbf steam goty is a popularity contest and an indie game released this year is always going to be less popular than a AAA game
carmine spindle
and besides
rdr2
calm goblet
Oh god Dusa is so adorable!!
viscid moss
to give more context im wondering if going for heartrend with dio special and sp...
arty special has got to be better right?
hexed shore
im not sure
viscid moss
i used to like dio on special, but you overstack it so fast
hexed shore
low tolerance is 12.5% to crit
arty special is 20% sure
but based on wording it seems hangover can also crit
viscid moss
it can, but even at that im wondering if arty is just better
low tolerance is also not a guarantee
hexed shore
why is that
viscid moss
its a duo, its just harder to find
viscid moss
ah, mb
hexed shore
how do i work in crit chance into damage calc math
viscid moss
damagex3x%crit = effective damage
dapper oracle
1+crit I think
tender oxide
Damage * 3 * (%crit +100) right
hexed shore
that formula doesnt seem to be working
viscid moss
that formula doesnt seem to be working
yea, i wrote it out wrong, mb
hexed shore
whats the correct one
hexed shore
nope still doesnt make sense
hexed shore
still not there lmao
tender oxide
damage + (damage * 3 * (%crit + 1))
hexed shore
thats way over @tender oxide
tender oxide
It’s just 3x damage then
hexed shore
got it
viscid moss
yea, but we're trying to calculate effective damage
tender oxide
The crit chance doesn’t matter
viscid moss
so over a period of time, whats your dps without 100% crit
hexed shore
its damage x 3 x (%crit) + damage x (1-%crit)
this calculation is a nightmare with this formula though since each of the first 8 shots have a different crit chance
hexed shore
alright lets compare the second volley
hexed shore
isnt arrow damage 10?
oh yea nvm youre right
wait why are you calculating arrow damage as 15*8?
viscid moss
8 arrows times 15 base no?
hexed shore
base for coronatch special is 10
slow quarry
you guys know the wanton ransaking mission?
on the fateed list
it says there is a enemy that I have yet to have slain thats why I didnt complete it
even tho I see the enemy and keep on slaying it
it doesnt recognize the fact that I slayed it
hexed shore
which enemy is this
hexed shore
i remember facing it but idk how to describe it cause it looks like normal armored bother
hexed shore
yes
vapid narwhal
has to be the very big one that spawns at the end of a boss tunnel
slow quarry
weird
vapid narwhal
the smaller armored ones dont count
slow quarry
okay ty
viscid moss
base for coronatch special is 10
im heading to bed for the night, cant do the math rn, sorry 
good luck with it friend
pliant sparrow
iirc heartrend and low tolerance basically do equal damage at common
the problem is heartrend will scale better but is as good for multi target
hexed shore
its assuming you have heartrend low tolerance and splitting headache with dio special
and heartrend with arty special
hexed shore
dio special
pliant sparrow
hm thats gonna be really tough to get tho
lots of rng to get the 3rd god you want outside of your 2 keepsakes
hexed shore
ofcourse this build requiers three duos which is prolly pushing it but i mean in...
.
its not supposed to be a viable build
I just wanted to know which one is better
pliant sparrow
low tolerance by itself is almost up to par with heartend
id imagine more duo boons would push it over the edge in single target damage
ornate mortar
this game is fire
hexed shore
yea so basically hangover ticks for an average of 115 damage per sec with that build and you only have to attack once every 4 sec to keep stacks full at 8
hexed shore
its boons that combine powers of two gods
hushed schooner
you need to
ornate mortar
the farthest I've gotten is fourth level
hushed schooner
get certain conditions
hexed shore
they have very specific requirements before they can be offered
ornate mortar
oh
hexed shore
and even after fulfilling those conditions there's a percentage chance that they might appear
(its a pretty high chance though so its not actually that hard to get it)
ornate mortar
Also sword of nemesis is really fun
prisma wind
the farthest I've gotten is fourth level
Have you gotten the Codex Index yet?
hexed shore
nemesis best
ornate mortar
Have you gotten the Codex Index yet?
Uh what is that
Is that the achilles book
Because if so yes
hexed shore
its an upgrade that lets you view boons in achilles book
prisma wind
It's something you can buy from the contractor that modifies the Codex from Achilles
hexed shore
so you can check the duo boons there and see what the requirements are
prisma wind
Ah, ok, well eventually you will be able to buy it and yeah, as Myth says above
hexed shore
honestly just keep the wiki page open in another tab tbh, opening codex is work
ornate mortar
I didn't really like the sword but nemesis aspect is fun
I'm doing a poseidon boons run rn
hexed shore
poseidon dash is godlike
ornate mortar
with razor shoals and everything
hexed shore
well technically all boons are godlike i guess
ornate mortar
ooh I don't have the dash only special and attack
Athena dash is really good too though
prisma wind
Can't go wrong with Athena dash
tiny tundra
Athena’s dash is my favorite.
hexed shore
athena dash is the safe option that works with everything
I try to put stuff that i need for duo boons on my dash though cause im not a fan of athena duos
also the good athena duos dont come from dash
tiny tundra
Poseidon’s dash makes a shockwave of water appear where you stop dashing, right?
hexed shore
yes it knocks back people into walls for wallslam damage and they die
Keepo
final dungeon is a joke with poseidon dash
ornate mortar
I kind of like ares dash although it's not as good as athena
ornate mortar
I'm all about the artemis boons
hollow loom
I feel the same way with picking up all the health i can get then picking up all the vengeance boons like... haha I'm petty.
supple lodge
whenever I try to do a vengeance build I either get not enough hp upgrades or not enough vengeance boons
merry current
Welp time to do another run
supple lodge
niceeee
so hypnos has one death response line where he says he made a bet with someone how long it'll take for zag to return
i wonder who he made the bet with
probably thanatos
tender oxide
Definitely Hermes
dense agate
Just beat hades for the first time. So dope
rapid forum
pretty sure than is too busy for that
supple lodge
I'm just picturing the exchange
"HE'S LEAVING FOREVER, HYPNOS, I CAN'T COPE WITH THAT"
"No, don't say that, I bet Zag will be back in no time!!"
Than does get super emo about Zag leaving so I wonder if he just dumps his frustrations on random people in the house when Zag goes out
hexed shore
I don't think than spends time at home when zag isn't there
hexed shore
Story spoilers prolly best
prisma wind
You can ask here and if it's a big spoiler I'll let you know
rotund crystal
oh it's no spoiler at all
How do i complete "A place of revelry"?
The fated list quest
tender oxide
What does it say to do
prisma wind
You have to have ||cleaned up Cerberus' damage to the lounge, and also bought a certain amount of other renovations for the lounge, then talk to Dusa until you get the dialog about it||
rotund crystal
What does it say to do
Renovate the lounge
Reward: 4 diamonds
craggy barn
i don't think the lounge is a spoiler at all
tender oxide
Yeah you need to buy lounge repairs from the house contractor
rotund crystal
You have to have ||cleaned up Cerberus' damage to the lounge, and also bought a ...
are they all cosmetic? any specific ones I have to go for?
craggy barn
are they all cosmetic? any specific ones I have to go for?
all of the house renovations are cosmetic afaik
prisma wind
They are all cosmetic, but you need to have a rug and the Cerberus ones
rotund crystal
Then i think I'm done
but the quest hasn't completed yet
do i need to paly out one run first?
prisma wind
Just keep talking to Dusa, then. It might be stuck in her dialog queue
hollow loom
Yeah sometimes that happens where it takes a bit to get through some dialogue. But trust me you’ll get there
prisma wind
Also make sure you're gifting Dusa
rotund crystal
I hard-simped her with nectar
supple lodge
tender oxide
worn ember
rotund crystal
this is one of my favourite exchanges in the whole game
prisma wind
guys hwelp why is there sudden lag
Try the solutions here and if that doesn't work ask for help in #h1-tech-support https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/675070621075374090/790681398318465035
near kelp
I was thinking to myself
"Man, hidden rail is really good with Zeus"
Then I tried hidden sword with demeter attack and every single attack damage buff i could find
and
Jesus christ
Easiest ||Hades|| fight in my life
prisma wind
If you found that fun, try it with Aphro or Artemis on attack
cyan patio
I don't know what half those words mean but now I'm pumped
near kelp
The crits are massive but very inconsistent
Anyway, really fun, gonna try grinding out Heat levels with hidden sword
hexed shore
You can increase crit rate with duos
manic bobcat
Which one is aphro pos?
worn ember
Poms are more effective
hexed shore
Pom +1
pliant sparrow
I really wish for the most part the only two duo boons used werent just heartrend and ME
manic bobcat
Ah ty
pliant sparrow
Kinda boring to build the same crit build over and over
hexed shore
It's not the worst like dem aphro but also meh
manic bobcat
Smouldering Air
craggy barn
exclusive access should be nerfed
hexed shore
Atleast give me upgraded boons instead of having to seek poms
Or just work with the trinket that would be an insane buff
manic bobcat
Exclusive Access is so friggin good
Exclusive Access if like Diplopia Steam Sales
pliant sparrow
Or just work with the trinket that would be an insane buff
2 poms a region instead of one 
hexed shore
Ooh that's spicy too
But I think ||working with blossom should be canon and is an oversight tbh||
Since ||blossom is based on poms|| anyway
craggy barn
what happens if i keep on repeatedly nudging the statue in the west hall
craggy barn
yeah the ||pom blossom|| is probably a very late-game thing
prisma wind
Thanks 
remote forge
Dear SGG,
When is the entire game going to get a full classical Greek localization?
Yours, Mimic
manic bobcat
Is the game really not in Greek?
remote forge
Just pitch it to some folks in the UCSF classics department and get some grant money. The grad students will love you for it.
remote forge
Is the game really not in Greek?
It is not. But many games aren't. For European release the standard is generally English, French, Spanish, and German at minimum.
Usually also Italian and Russian.
And Portuguese.
Anecdotally most Greek folks I know play many/most games in English. It's the go-to second language in school and playing games in it is a good way to pick it up.
prisma wind
I think it's pretty great that a small indie studio already has 10 languages supported. Greek would be topical but probably low on the priority list as far as market share goes
remote forge
Yeah for sure.
Also Greek dubs, at least 10-15 years ago, were absolutely hilarious.
You'd have entire shows where it's clearly just like 3 guys doing every voice.
You haven't really watched Sailor Moon until you've seen the less-than-good Greek dub.
granite ether
Dear SGG,
When is the entire game going to get a full classical Greek localiza...
#hades-localization message -Greg in response to the potential of localising hades for other languages
remote forge
@granite ether I'm just joking about Classical Greek :p.
granite ether
Either way that response is relevent :p
remote forge
But if there were some classics students up to do it, "first game in 4000 years released in Classical Greek" would be pretty amusing.
granite ether
Text is hard to parse tone from at the best of times too
remote forge
Yeah translation is a very subtle and difficult task.
I've seen people get in actual physical fights over different translations of the same book...
Middle and Old English academics are wild.
granite ether
I could only imagine
supple lodge
gosh i dont think i've ever beat tisiphone this quickly before
dont know why i got lucky this time
willow atlas
cuz ur a ||murderer,|| obviously
supple lodge
gilded leaf
tisiphone has me seriously considering making a patch with her voice lines on it
i cant decide between "murdererr" and "zrrderer"
craggy barn
is one titan blood for one diamond worth it?
gilded leaf
depends, is the diamond going to buy you something nice from the contractor?
agile tangle
you guys ever try to hover ur cursor to the "Give Up" button due to getting a bad build but you feel petty story-wise so you march on anyway
carmine spindle
me without an Athena boon at all
agile tangle
As soon as I click the "Give Up" I heard Hades laughing
so im like "screw it" and march on anyway
one time I accidentally toggle Stubborn Defiance and not Death Defiance, but I still try to run it due to pettiness
I died to rats btw
summer thistle
Hey guys
Do you have any tips for the ||Hades|| fight? Because I always die in his second phase
burnt breach
I wish there was an experimentation mode where you could manually choose your we...
use codex menu mod
agile tangle
Hey guys
Do you have any tips for the ||Hades|| fight? Because I always die in h...
You got Death Defiance?
summer thistle
You got Death Defiance?
not yet
agile tangle
there's your answer
Death Defiance is my bread, butter, and knife
trust me, it will save your butt, especially if you stack some centaur hearts
summer thistle
Ok then I'll look forward to get it
vapid narwhal
you get to redacted without a single DD?
thorn meteor
RDR 2
vapid narwhal
hey stop doing that cat
supple lodge
accidentally wasted a dd on hydra
feelsbadman
now hoping athena will give me a new dd
thorn meteor
Steam awards were compensation for Rockstar getting robbed by god of war.
Hades is a good game, no doubt.
But there are things
leaden summit
How did rdr even get nominated for goty? Didn't it release in 2018?
lean sleet
the pc/steam version came out this year i think
leaden summit
Pretty sure that was 2019
lean sleet
december 5th 2019 yeah
supple lodge
upgraded hangover sure is stronk
leaden summit
Witcher 3 was a joke too, the last update was like 4 years ago
lean sleet
my guess is it released late enough in the year and close enough to the 2019 steam awards to qualify
leaden summit
my guess is it released late enough in the year and close enough to the 2019 ste...
Prohably
tight crest
What are the most worthwhile Zagreus aspects?
lean sleet
the fists one is pretty good if you're going for dodge builds
or just in general to keep you alive longer
tight crest
I kinda like the spear myself
lean sleet
do the swords or the axes look better on the walls in the house?
carmine ravine
the spear
fallen lotus
Somehow eurydice keeps singing even when the game is paused
Supposedly, time is frozen when the game is paused so eurydice might be more powerful than she's letting on
i jest
brisk trail
took the deep dive after playing Bastion on my Nintendo Switch and got the Supergiant collection on Steam!
fallen lotus
I assume this is also the case with Orpheus
brisk trail
hoping to get to Hades today lol
agile tangle
Varatha fits my playstyle perfectly, so are Malphon
floral flame
hoping to get to Hades today lol
Good luck!
brisk trail
tyty
gritty roost
hoping to get to Hades today lol
joinn usss
foggy lagoon
THANK YOU FOR CROSS SAVE
I got my kids a Switch for Xmas so I piced up Hades, fully expecting to have two different games going on at the same time.
But nope
What a novel gaming experience.
fallen lotus
My favorite weapon so far is Malphon
acoustic vale
Hidden aspect from the rail is also cool. Makes you feel like a war criminal combined with festive fog 
fallen lotus
I love the hidden aspect for malphon
It's so satisfying to use, and it's extremely powerful if you combine it with a dash boon
rustic plume
I only have Varatha's hidden aspect 
gritty roost
I love the rails, even more with the hidden aspect
agile tangle
I only have Varatha's hidden aspect <:CarsonCry:715548718895726612>
which one? Achilles' or Hades'?
austere wagon
to all shield player, which is better ||aspect of chaos or aspect of zeus||?
arctic zenith
to all shield player, which is better ||aspect of chaos or aspect of zeus||?
||zeus|| for me
lethal island
pretty sure ||zeus|| does better damage from a math standpoint but ||Chaos|| is pretty fun imo
hushed schooner
think i just saved this run
lean sleet
||zeus is definitely my favorite||
hushed schooner
got exclusive access right before the hydra
tender oxide
Even at max level I feel like ||chaos|| isn’t as good as ||zeus||
austere wagon
from the vids on youtube
i see zues is more usefull
chaos is good at the start but its kinda pointless towards the end imo
also what do i get from having more kills than ||thanatos||
raw harbor
hey guys!
austere wagon
heyy
gritty pelican
you should get a minotaur heart for getting more kills
austere wagon
i feel like ive wasted too much on ||chaos|| and i regret iit now
raw harbor
invest in hangover
tender oxide
i feel like ive wasted too much on ||chaos|| and i regret iit now
Just keep playing on ||higher heat||, you’ll get enough titan blood. The good thing about aspect of ||zeus|| is you don’t need to have it at a high level for it to be good.
tight crest
Which are the best weapons for speedrunning?
hushed schooner
only need || rail and shield hidden aspects now ! ||
raw harbor
Which are the best weapons for speedrunning?
sword and fists
austere wagon
@hushed schooner have u got u first clear yet ?
raw harbor
with hidden aspects
tight crest
I've seen a lot of people use that gun that gives you the buff with the boom
raw harbor
GAWK
hushed schooner
thats eris
tight crest
||Shield hidden aspect|| took me about 60 runs to get
Chaos wouldn't give it to me for so long even tho i went to them every run
hushed schooner
also finally got the prophecy fortold about chaos's boons
still need to get war gods bloodlust prophecy fortold though
tight crest
Honestly my only real downside with this game is that npc's most of the time won't talk to you about a certain thing you need
I've been trying to get Hermes' favor for 10 runs straight now and he just keeps talking about other useless stuff
Even tho i have all the requirements you need
hushed schooner
yeah ive got 53 attempts now
also || got a few more conversations until i can free sisyphus! just had the conversation with meg||
raw harbor
yea
sacred stag
i have like 30 some runs and only 2 successful. and both were hazard bomb runs
hollow thunder
Is it just me
sacred stag
i am very skilled yes
hollow thunder
Or do shades look a lot like gasfellas
raw harbor
lol
sacred stag
its that fricking (boss spoiler) ||Second phase hades|| its brutal
most the time I die before that but that parts definitely the hardest
raw harbor
Especially his REDACTED attack
sacred stag
I almost won with coronact but screwed myself over by buying ||The anvil thingy and getting explosive shot||
austere wagon
yeah ive got 53 attempts now
how many hours into the game
sacred stag
that profile picture scares me
austere wagon
i use shield so when ||hades does his freaking laser beam thingy|| i can just block
hushed schooner
45
hushed schooner
not that all my attempts are an hour
tender oxide
Imo ||first phase is harder because he summons and uses the helm of darkness|| and in the ||second phase he just does the laser and his melee attacks||
craggy barn
i'd be careful with the shield's block
austere wagon
yeah i get u
hushed schooner
just like
craggy barn
if it takes too much damage it breaks
hushed schooner
a lot of stuff to do between runs
austere wagon
i afk quite a bit too
hushed schooner
yeah im with you there noobmaster || about which phase is harder ||
rustic plume
if it takes too much damage it breaks
whaaaaaaat, didn't know that!
tender oxide
if it takes too much damage it breaks
No it doesn’t
tender oxide
My fastest was 18 with fists
sacred stag
most of my runs last about 30 minutes
austere wagon
my 2nd run was 55 mins lmfao
tender oxide
Most of mine are around 22-25 minutes
austere wagon
was trying out some boons i havent try yet
hushed schooner
ive got sub 30 on all but the sword and rail
austere wagon
and it was hard
hushed schooner
doing a rail run next though so should be able to knock that below 30
craggy barn
No it doesn’t
it does, just walk into a room with a bunch of numbskulls and see for yourself
sacred stag
I had a really good run with ||Guan Yu spear|| but its ||Life loss screwed me over||
raw harbor
i use that for suicide runs
tender oxide
it does, just walk into a room with a bunch of numbskulls and see for yourself
That’s not because they break it, it’s just because it doesn’t perfectly cover you and they can slip through
craggy barn
positioning is key
sacred stag
i love that even failing runs progress the story in their own way
craggy barn
the shield can break
raw harbor
yea
austere wagon
i dont think so
rustic plume
nothing is specified about it breaking or not breaking from what i can find
there's no arbitrary number stating how much damage it can block, if there's an upper limit, from what i can see
austere wagon
wtf theseus with demeter is insane
austere wagon
yeah
polar juniper
like the frost swirls
tender oxide
the shield *can* break
From the wiki page for the shield:
The main attack is a single swing that hits in an arc and knocks enemies back. Holding the attack button will block damage from the front, and releasing will perform a shield bash forwards, dealing damage to enemies hit. The special throws the shield, which bounces between enemies and objects before returning.
It's worth noting that the shield is capable of blocking nearly anything, including attacks from bosses, except for traps and AoE attacks.
the frost swirls
tender oxide
Nothing about it being able to break
austere wagon
It's worth noting that the shield is capable of blocking nearly anything, including attacks from bosses, except for traps and AoE attacks.
it doesnt break then
craggy barn
austere wagon
best game of 2020 for me
raw harbor
me too
hushed schooner
i havent
i dont think ive played many games that came out in 2020
outside of this
gritty roost
for me it's the best PC game
austere wagon
oh yeah tbh me too
gritty roost
I have other title for console lol (PS4)
austere wagon
all the games ive played came out years ago
but hades and valorant is the only 2020 game ive played
hmm
raw harbor
Me when hades comes out on PS5: spam order button
brisk trail
I got a question
yk in the mirror
i maxed everththing
but now it says switch tallents
why should i switch the other ones seem weaker
raw harbor
LOL
brisk trail
hooooooooooooow did the game, released at 2018 win the game of the year at Steam, this makes me mad
brisk trail
i dunno how it goes after release actually, is it important to change mirror talents or just suggested?
tyTy
some of them are better, some worse
some are better only at higher difficulty, etc.
rustic plume
#h1-for-new-players has discussion about mirror perks, some are super recent
take a look and see, there'll probably be better explanations in there
tbh i only joined ebcause i wanted the dusa emotes, not often one to hang around in game discords ¯_(ツ)_/¯
austere wagon
u were supposed to know that u can switch talents before u maxed out everything xddd
zealous wharf
tbh i only joined ebcause i wanted the dusa emotes, not often one to hang around...
I FORGOT THERES EMOTES
rustic plume
zealous wharf
rustic plume
only the animated ones
zealous wharf
It’s when your weapon gets thirsty, and you gain 20% more dark crystals
zealous wharf
Check your big ghosty trading guy to see if you can trade keys for them. You could reset your mirror to get some back. Other than that just get your weapon with dark thirst and pray
brisk trail
another question, what are good aspects (i wanna get at least 5 for guan yu aspect)
hushed schooner
chiron
split sentinel
if anyone's watching AGDQ / interested right now, incentive for vorime's speedrun was just announced and chat got excited 👀 ✨
acoustic vale
gritty roost
another question, what are good aspects (i wanna get at least 5 for guan yu aspe...
||demeter, eris, poseidon, zag spear||
runic agate
Uh
You nEEd 5 blood in the spear only not sprEad out across the wEapons
@brisk trail
brisk trail
ohh
keen scarab
||so I can hear orpheus singing but he's not at his chair?||
lime iris
is it worth investing in guan yu?
warm fable
is it worth investing in guan yu?
yeah
because you need to unlock guan yu to unlock the others
lime iris
what does it go well with?
tacit ember
guys
warm fable
ooos
warm fable
sorry
warm fable
is it worth investing in guan yu?
just realized what you meant lol
warm fable
i though you meant unlock
fresh crest
fallen lotus
Guan yu's pretty ok
warm fable
i am very dumb lole
lime iris
what are good boons for it
mint forum
||what railgun is the best/most worth to invest in? like I'm gonna get em all but I don't know which ones to invest in first.||
mint forum
alr ty
manic bobcat
Yeah probably Eris for the most bang for your buck
mint forum
poggers
vapid narwhal
eris early game for sure
brittle hedge
Sorry to disturb you but i think i dont understand ||the memory of Hades 🤔 What is purpose (invisible) and how use it correctly ? (Sorry for my english)||
zealous wharf
Yeah that’s a good question, it doesn’t seem all that useful
viscid moss
Sorry to disturb you but i think i dont understand ||the memory of Hades 🤔 What...
tag with spoilers please ||with half a bar it just lets you dodge all damage, but attacking cuts it short (first attack also does double damage), full bar you get invincibility and double damage for full duration||
its alright when you ||dont have any other call going into styx, i use it every so often||
double damage is nuts, its like pseudo 100% crit for 5 full seconds
but yea, only when charged up
vapid narwhal
it's also funny when you use it against redacted
viscid moss
yea, dialogue is pretty good
mint forum
what keepsakes are considered good?
viscid moss
i keep wanting to see if ||theseus|| says anything about it, but i never bring it with me at that point
honestly, its more of a question of which ones are considered bad
and even those have niche uses
vapid narwhal
collar and tooth are not very useful once you get past "not dying"
viscid moss
though tooth can come in clutch at higher heat
vapid narwhal
bracer is p useless
viscid moss
^
vapid narwhal
coin purse is also basically useless
viscid moss
the flavour is cool, but it just doesnt seem to work well enough to warrant it
vapid narwhal
I think the one that lets you deal more damage at low HP is also meh, from Meg I think?
viscid moss
coin purse is also basically useless
you can do pretty well with purse in tartarus and golden touch
white dove
Random mirror of night question, is Olympian Favor(which adds % chance for a Rare boon) independent from the other mirror ability that increases % for epic boons?
vapid narwhal
beefs up early game shopping
white dove
like if I have the epic boon percentage maxed out, adding to the rare percentage wouldn’t make that worse, or would it?
vapid narwhal
they are independent
white dove
Alright nice thanks
I’m trying to figure out if Olympian favor or dark foresight I want
a lot of boons is cool but good boons is better
vapid narwhal
dark foresight for sure
white dove
I see
mint forum
dark foresight is pog
vapid narwhal
because frequent poms and early hammers are just too good
white dove
True true
vapid narwhal
you can make up the quality with Eurydice later
mint forum
yuh
viscid moss
correct me if im wrong, but its literally impossible to get more than 2 hammers right? besides getting anvil
vapid narwhal
and high pom count more than adequately makes up for the lack of rarity
pliant sparrow
correct me if im wrong, but its literally impossible to get more than 2 hammers ...
yah
pliant sparrow
well if you dont take one another will maybe spawn later on
viscid moss
i dont think dark foresight ever affected that, they always seem to pop up
vapid narwhal
once you get the 2nd they wont spawn period
viscid moss
yea, the game reaaaaaaally wants to make sure you have 2
mint forum
I'm just praying I get sisyphus in tartarus so I can get ||his companion||
viscid moss
thats one way to farm darkness .
timid slate
goddamn
finally cleared 32 heat
rail is masterrace uwu
@distant night
eris + rocket bomb + cluster bomb = beeeeg numberz
mint forum
do yall have any tips for the redacted bossfight?
warm fable
use the pillars to get away from some attacks
misty harbor
the way Hermes keeps mentioning how he knows Zag's real plans and what's been going on like it's not a big deal... 
warm fable
make sure to dodge too, they won't block sweeps but they will block projectiles and stop him from moving foward
also just learn his moves
viscid moss
do yall have any tips for the redacted bossfight?
at zero/low heat, youre not punished that much for taking your time
their attacks are super telegraphed, take the time to learn them/their hurtboxes, and get a feel for the flow of the fight
its very split into periods where you attack and where you dodge
also, make sure to get rid of ||any undead he spawns|| so they dont get lucky shots on you
also, acorn is your friend
warm fable
he is pretty tough
viscid moss
hes not meant to be easy 
distant night
whats the hardest part about the endboss fight, yall think?
vapid narwhal
unlucky add spawn
exalted spawns are in general pretty annoying, worse if you get chariots
distant night
double splitter fights are fun when you dont have deflect
arctic zenith
||on em4 i hate when he spawns doomstones ||
distant night
and by fun i mean hell no
arctic zenith
but the ||urns|| can be annoying
distant night
||on em4 the worst part is when he heals himself and your build isnt fast enough to still deleet him||
arctic zenith
true
brisk trail
Am i allowed to just dm the developers?
To ask them stuff about the game?
does Hades run at 60fps on Nintendo Switch?
I think so, yes
cheers big ears
languid plover
do yall have any tips for the redacted bossfight?
My early attempts on beating that boss is by forcing myself to get Regeneration Boon DUO (Athena + ||Demeter||)
I fight like a chicken on that boss fight, game lasting for 40+ minutes lol
rich acorn
Is there a way to influence the daedelean hammer effects you get?
languid plover
Is there a way to influence the daedelean hammer effects you get?
Of course, there are some hammer upgrade which don't stack. So if you take one, the other won't show up
rich acorn
I ask this because I got this real nice one that recovered health when you attacked but reduced life total
languid plover
Using certain aspect can ensure some hammer upgrade won't show up
tough gust
Does it take a while for Switch saves to upload to the Steam cloud? I linked my Switch Hades to my Steam account successfully and got it to sync saves with cloud on Switch, yet now on Steam it won't connect to sync saves in-game; I've deleted the local saves to no avail.
Is it simply a matter of waiting X hours for the data to sync or is there a way to force the Steam copy to sync with the Switch data?
brisk trail
do yall have any tips for the redacted bossfight?
ymmv but early on it was always the spin attacks that got me, if you're close you want to dodge towards him, when you're not close you want to dodge laterally
viscid moss
best is to just have extra dash boon from hermes and just nope the frick out
mint forum
ah ty!
brisk trail
I'm looking for somebody late-game. Dm me please, i have a question
distant night
I ask this because I got this real nice one that recovered health when you attac...
that hammer upgrade is called "cursed slash" for the blade, it is compatible with any aspect and any other hammer :)
manic bobcat
I'm looking for somebody late-game. Dm me please, i have a question
Just ask in #h1-builds-and-combat or #h1-high-heat-strategies
queen needle
someone know why my games aren't saved?
languid plover
does anyone know where can i get my last item for my keepsakes
Daddy
manic bobcat
That would be ||mommy|| actually
austere wagon
||nyx or my real mom||
languid plover
That would be ||mommy|| actually
ah yes there are 5 column on 3rd row
manic bobcat
The latter
manic bobcat
Well you just got spoiled
austere wagon
yep
xd
tbh ive seen tons of spoiler already
because i have the urge to know it right awya
which is bad
manic bobcat
someone know why my games aren't saved?
Can you be more specific?
austere wagon
someone know why my games aren't saved?
the game autosaves when u enter a chamber or complete a chamber
distant night
if you press "give up" you dont save
austere wagon
^
manic bobcat
Also it's a roguelite so the game don't have check points or saves in that sense.
You start from the beginning
unique fern
it won't save if you alt+f4 or task manager I think
distant night
yep it doesnt
austere wagon
oh god ive played the game for a week now and i have 36.5 hrs on it
im not addicted i swear
unique fern
I'm addicted
distant night
hides the 300+h
mint forum
oh god ive played the game for a week now and i have 36.5 hrs on it
hey at least you don't have 36 hours when you've had the game for 3 days UwU
distant night
uwu
austere wagon
oh no
queen needle
Can you be more specific?
i just fix it
mint forum
I am not addicted I swear
austere wagon
yes u are not
cloud tusk
Are certain mirror options better than others, or is it all preference?
austere wagon
its ok
queen needle
thanks anyway
manic bobcat
Nope none of us are.
manic bobcat
Are certain mirror options better than others, or is it all preference?
They all serve different purposes
unique fern
Are certain mirror options better than others, or is it all preference?
depends on your play style
distant night
Are certain mirror options better than others, or is it all preference?
some are more preferred but things like 3DDs instead of SD is objectively better for newcomers or shadow presence is always better especially in high heat etc.......
opaque nexus
just thought you guys would want to know, a top speedrunner, Vorime, is going to be running Hades on GDQ tomorrow
opaque nexus
assuming the donation incentive is met which it definitely will
distant night
vorime the legend
opaque nexus
yeah
distant night
holy heck
austere wagon
whats GDQ
opaque nexus
game done quick
manic bobcat
Game Done Quick
austere wagon
oh its a channel
opaque nexus
it's a speedrunning event streamed on twitch, they raise hundreds of thousands for charity
austere wagon
any idea what time ?
opaque nexus
right
Vorime is going to be running 3 weapons, which is basically 3 runs back to back
manic bobcat
Is it just Vorime or someone else also?
austere wagon
ahh its 830 pm for me when that happens
manic bobcat
Heard it was a race
austere wagon
nvm then lmfao
austere wagon
its 830 for me
manic bobcat
GDQ is fun to watch anyhow
opaque nexus
I hope haelian is on comms
austere wagon
gonna watch the vods tho
south kestrel
Hades speedrun estimated to start at 1h34 am in my country. Halp. TwT
manic bobcat
Watch the vod :D
south kestrel
Yeah, that's the best and wisest solution, for my sleep's sake x)
But isn't it better when you watch it on live?
gentle nebula
Wasn't expecting to meet the game on my 2nd day playing. Especially with fist weapons o.o
mint forum
I don't think watching vods take away from the experience
gentle nebula
Athena and Poseidon call abilities op tho
south kestrel
Yes of course
south kestrel
Athena and Poseidon call abilities op tho
^ 👍
Don't get me wrong, I'm not being dramatic ^^
gentle nebula
brisk trail
i feel like rail is one of those weapons that get good when u upgrade it with daedalus
is that true or am i just trash using the rail
distant night
you are 100% right
mint forum
I think rail needs a good build to make it start pumping out good dps
distant night
everybody who likes rail prefers it with at least one special boon
mint forum
like more build reliant then the others
distant night
and those who dont like rail beg for clusterbomb (5 bombs daedalus upgrade)
brisk trail
lol
distant night
it isnt build reliant but hammer reliant
distant night
you can have literally anything on special if you get clusterbomb lol
mint forum
lmao dark foresight
mint forum
dark foresight is p pog esp when running rail
distant night
dark foresight is always beautiful once you're doe with farming
brisk trail
wait so its better to just use special boons instead of attack ones
distant night
maybe a few more farming rounds before maxing it them? :D
mint forum
sorry
distant night
oh oop
distant night
wait so its better to just use special boons instead of attack ones
ayes
mint forum
I might reset mirror upgrades
distant night
attack on base rail only feels nice if you have zeus attack
if you dont mind LOnG aF pauses then hestia is your boo
mint forum
I take zeus keepsake at the start with rail
mint forum
the lightning strikeis too good to pass up
distant night
cause they basically clear tartarus by themselves
brisk trail
im just gonna upgrade my ||zag aspect|| because +4 ammo and i hate the reload
distant night
eris is better
brisk trail
in what ways, not trying to criticise just asking lol
distant night
since you apparently wont focus on attack and eris does more damage
so you might just do a favor to yourself
mint forum
rail with lightning stike, electric shot, and static discharge feels amazing
runic agate
E
lunar bough
Anyone play on both Switch and Steam?
mint forum
high confidence or thick skin?
brisk trail
thick skin
winter harbor
Thick skin unless you’re a speedrunner
Sure, a damage buff is really good, but the extra hp is good for surviving
gilded leaf
dd if you have trouble with bosses, sd if you have trouble getting through the regular rooms
runic agate
oncE you git gud always go for dd
i only diE in the heroEs fight and the final fight
misty harbor
having ||Zag's family portrait|| as my desktop wallpaper is the best decision I've made lately besides buying Hades
runic agate
having ||Zag's family portrait|| as my desktop wallpaper is the best decision I'...
yEEEEE
viscid moss
it really is gorgeous art
misty harbor
gonna cry from happiness every time I look at it now
I wish we'd receive that Zag's outfit one day
runic agate
NEW IDEA FOR A UPDATE: ADD EXTRA OUTITS FOR ZAG
ADD ONE OFF WEAPONS: megs whip by maxing out her "friendship" than's scythe same requirements and maybe a few others
pliant sparrow
impossible
runic agate
but i think that would be SICK
pliant sparrow
they have frame by frame drawn animations for zag
so they literally cannot add in an outfit
or any skins
supple lodge
they have frame by frame drawn animations for zag
is this sarcasm or
pliant sparrow
no
supple lodge
zag is a 3d model
pliant sparrow
no he isnt
lemme get the official dev post
"If you're interested, I'm happy to provide a more detailed explanation as to why. I know such explanations can end up sounding an awful lot like 'wah wah it's too much work' excuse-making; but I will trust you to not interpret this that way, and will take my chances knowing folks out there may be interested to know more about our development process.
Hades is a 2D game with no real-time 3D rendering. That means every single frame of Zagreus animation exists as a unique image.
For example, when Zagreus shoots his bow (the standard attack), it's a 104-frame animation rendered at 32 angles. So that's 3,328 frames for that one short animation. We also have two alternate Weapon Aspects (and later will add another), bringing that number up to 9,984 since our Weapon Aspects are 'reskins' of each weapon."
supple lodge
the model you see ingame is a 3d model
pliant sparrow
is this sarcasm or
.
supple lodge
ugh i dont have the energy to deal with tomfoolery right now
im too sleepy for this
distant night
wanna have some hypnos time?
supple lodge
a lot of modern 3d animation takes a 3d model and kinda does frame by frame stop motion with it
thats my best way of explaining
runic agate
zag as far as i know is 100% 2d
supple lodge
thats what they mean by no real time 3d rendering
runic agate
not 3d
winter harbor
They make models in 3d first and then they translate it into isometric for the game
minor ravine
why don't they use the 3d model right away though
hollow loom
they have frame by frame drawn animations for zag
WAIT THE ANIMATION IS DRAWN FRAME BY FRAME!
THAT IS SO COOL!
runic agate
as far as its known yes
supple lodge
i vividly remmeber there being 3d models for characters in the game
brisk trail
guys should i buy the anvil from charon with rail (i have 1 attack boon and cluster bombs)
pliant sparrow
no i was mistaken its just rendered from a 3d model to 2d view frame by frame
distant night
guys should i buy the anvil from charon with rail (i have 1 attack boon and clus...
no
brisk trail
okay
pliant sparrow
still no need to "correct" me by asking "are you being sarcastic" tho
minor ravine
cluster bombs is good so no lol
distant night
you dont wanna loose clusterbomb D:
supple lodge
the assets were almost entirely hand drawn though
that being said
im not knocking on 3d animation here lol
the games 3d models are on point
hollow loom
Oh, well still, it doesn't change that the game is beautiful, and the fact that we are slightly struggling to figure out how they did it is amazing.
supple lodge
iirc ori and the blind forest does something similar
2d background assets, 3d model for character but animated frame by frame
hollow loom
The art is just so beautiful, it's one of the reasons why I get into games, is when you can just tell how much love, time and care went into every aspect of it
hollow loom
Me seeing stuff near the end of the game.. I won't go into specifics cuz spoilers, but just sitting there looking at the majesty of the game. Like the only other game I've done with that is BotW, where I would spend 20 minutes looking from the top of a mountain.
supple lodge
asphodel has so many little morbid details
i get that hahaha, just see me in genshin climbing all the way to the highest points in the game to just sit there and absorb the atmosphere
oh i really need to go sleep
hypnos please come back
hollow loom
Hyynos grabs his brick of sleep
supple lodge
bonk go to horny jail sleep
distant night
mr brick man, slay me to sleep
supple lodge
make it the cutest man car door hook jeep
distant night
oh you're a true delight
supple lodge
no u
distant night
i just have man me a sand playing all over in my head
also: no u and now go off to hypnos time
hollow loom
... why am I picturing Hypnos as Sandy from RotG
Weaving golden sand to give people good dreams
distant night
weaving golden sand?
supple lodge
Conveniently
hollow loom
Sandman from RotG... he has dream sand that he makes into stuff, and it flies all over the place... I can dm you a picture of the character if that's okay
supple lodge
I used to mix up Hypnos with Sandy from Brawl Stars
distant night
do it
supple lodge
Sandman from RotG... he has dream sand that he makes into stuff, and it flies al...
sure thing
distant night
oh dang RotG is called way differently in german thats why that abbreviation didnt tell me anything
wispy flax
Just got the game last night and wow, Ive clocked in 7 hours already
wispy flax
Thank you 
6 unlocked so far unless there are more. Im privy to the spear + triple spear DaeBae upgrade + Athena deflects.
distant night
a spear gang lad!!
arctic zenith
SPEAR GANG
wispy flax
🔱 *poke poke*
hushed schooner
spear gang
dont think you need to
spoiler that
no none of that is like
its just boons you can get before you escape
wispy flax
Yeah Ive seen all of those, whats the adamant rail do?
Oohhhh, havent used the gun yet, just trying to get as far as I can with my spear
warm fable
is spread fire any good
brisk trail
does ||tight deadline|| carry on for bosses
warm fable
ye
brisk trail
what are the easiest ||pacts||
warm fable
how much ||heat are you going for||