#h1-discussion
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Luckly some generous souls were willing to gift me stuff
Yesterdey I managed to 6 six bloodstones on the ||Beowulf|| Shield
I think it was with the Demeter cast
Then I died to ||Hades||
He's still my run killer
what even are bloodstones
After I've stopped using the Recharge Mirror upgrade
The cast
The 3 second bloodstone one
oh those
Always taking the 3 bloodstones
apparently that's what they're called
i got 7 of them once 
That and Artemis cast with that shield
Plus pressure points and supportive fire
It's actually good for a slow weapon
Oh I can't send screenshots
Eurydice just upgraded my Zeus Attack and Special to the next rarity
Every time I am reminded of the fact that the final boss is ||Hades|| I think: ||Hades is a game where you go through Hades to fight Hades||
Ultra stonks
Oh how does Demeter cast even work with hidden shield
||Hadesception||
It's just a nuke that chills
I was worried it would drop a turret but no
It's just a nuke
Oh
i wonder just how powerful is support fire, thunder flourish and maxed aspect of chiron is
Jesus Christ, there exists a 25min speedrun for this game and I'm struggling to beat the final boss after 25 hours...
got him on uhh my 27th i think
can't be bothered to go check the admin place thing
I mean a modern ares would use a nuke
took me about 20 runs to win
First time I beat him was with the crutch Daedalus Lifesteal Stygian Blade
modern athena would use a chessboard
Where can i have support for an issue im having with the game?
I did it oh woo that was a rush I've got cramps in my thumb now lol
#h1-tech-fixes , if nothing works there then #h1-tech-support
lifesteal is an absolute crutch no matter how squishy you are
Ok @brisk trail
Yeah
tfw 15 hp hidden spear
The other way I kind of realiably defeat him is
What's the status effect that ||Hades|| gives you in the fight?
cursed + flurry 
Dodge Fists + Plume
fists is just really good in general
boiling blood. u take double damage
Hidden Spear sucks and wish it didn't because I love spears of that type
Double damage
that and supportive fire + dio's attack boon
Fists + Artemis hype
it makes you take double damage, so try not to get hit by those skulls
demeter aspect with artemis special :D
Talos fists are too good
Can I post screenshots here or is that a no?
Do most people here have a gamepad?
the one that makes you grab enemies?
Ye
I use keyboard
you can post a screenshot in a different server, copy the link and then send it here
KB+M all the way
taking notes
I physically cannot use keyboard
i don't see why people think it's such a big deal when you can only move in 8 directions playing with a keyboard
is it bad i havent traded with the broker once yet
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/776836436275363843/794942874898006036/unknown.png I made a meme-y loadout for my hoarding tendencies and I still managed it lol
For me it’s because I’m on switch
Honestly, I love KB+M but I have to be real
richest man alive
If you're not gonna use the mouse or the keys for typing
The Keyboard is kinda whack for gaming
nahhhhh
send the screenshot in a different server, copy the link then send it here
Didn't know people were having problems with the last boss since you can upgrade yourself so much with the mirror. Also there is god mode that gives you 20% damage resistance in the settings.
I am speed
I've got god mode on and it's at 50% but shhhh
boss anxiety
I'm no gamer
You have problems with the last boss with... 50% damage resistance?
Not many problems, no
Same
I need it for the traps
thinking about starting a hell mode save after I finish my main one
Hot hot lava
Hell mode?
Yeah
celeste?
Hell Mode is a harder difficulty option that may be selected when creating a new save file. This option cannot be changed later and disables God Mode from use. Selecting Hell Mode has Zagreus start the game with the Pact of Punishment immediately in use. The Pact of Punishment has five mandatory conditions with Hell Mode exclusive condition, Per...
Permanent pact
it's basically just my excuse to play the game again LOL
not much changes after early game
My GOD teleporting flame wheels
you're gonna have to do skelly's prizes at some point 
Starting the game with the pact of punishment, while you don't have any upgrades sounds brutal.
we all do 
already did
What's an ||Erebus Gate?||, spoilers because I'm not sure if it is one or not.
does it have any good rewards
flawless the room = doubled reward/rarer boon
if u get hit u get, well.. I'll let you find out on your own
they need 5 heat to be active in tartarus
You have to have a certain amount of heat and you have to get a perfect
I learn more everyday
10 in asphodel and 15 in elysium
Though, uh, perfect though...... might be tough for one such as me lol
if you get hit you die instantly and your save file is deleted and the game is removed from your steam library, correct?
yeah
Yes
Erebus rooms really get my heart pumping for some reason
even moreso than the final boss
it also kills your entire family
I think I'll hold off on those gates then
ah yes
Also steals food
but if you flawless it you get a nice boon :)
Or +50 health
it download 2 terabytes of yes on ur pc
A very strong if
I'm very much a, kill everything before it kills me and I'll think about the damage later, type of guy
theyre pretty easy in tartarus ngl
Oh no
just kill the crystal dudes and witches first
sometimes they spawn flame wheels though
I've still a ways to go before 5 heat though, and only 2 diamonds so far so I'll worry about that later
the brimstones can do a lot of damage if you're not careful but if you are being careful you should be able to make short work of them seeing as they're really squishy, like one or two-shots most of the time
oh yeah I hate doomstones
what r the styx stones called
The most annoying thing in this game
snakestones
ah ya
snakestones 🤮
stone, indeed
snake stone
Can I get a legendary boon that just removes the snaketones thanks.
I quite like snakes
The snakestones on the other hand...
dusa could have given us a keepsake that simply removes snakestones but nooo the game needs to be hard.
im also like this
Can I get a legendary boon that removes doomstones from the ||em4|| ||hades|| fight
Hey
So how do you reveal the fourth aspect for the weapons?
if you don't have something that breaks armor more easily armored snakestones are going to give you a very bad time, like skelly said
Spoiler tag
guys that make enimes invincible
pins in #h1-story-discussion
skelly sayes that?
skelly 🤝 hypnos
advice you probably already know
all
But Hypnos tells me to move out of the way and I didn’t know that
hypnos is poggers
yes
Aw, I already miss my coin hoarder loadout, it was nice getting 20+ coins per enemy
Ah, damn, no coin boon from Chaos this time
uselessness runs in the cthonic family
zag: i dont need your help
than: i insist
also than: slays like 2 foe in the room while zag nabs 30+
zag: ...
than: don't look at me like that, i was NOT trying to help, now do not let a word of this go to anybody >:(
anyone exist?
Have you tried existing
Hm, I don't think I will
budist
dionysus to me: never liked theseus. never liked him one bit.
theseus a few battles later: summons dio, who happily helps him
Probably just did it for the lulz
"Lmao look at this 5head asking me for help does he know I stole his gf"
lol i got second wave from poseidon but i dont really notice a change what does it do. It says it knocks back more
it does 2 times
i feel like its kinda bad tho
i would prefer if it knocked foes back farther instead of more times
and if u have the enimes that get pushed into walls take damage
also typhoon fury is so op in styx
its 2x damge
why
its 2x damage
for knockign into walls
and stuf like that
no i mean the legendary
I like the Poseidon boon that damages your enemies when they move after you hit them with the waves
yes
yea same
i mean like
if enimes that get knocked into walls
take
100dmg
then second wave
will push then 2 times
then its 200dmg
oh i see
hammer or poseidon
I have 1 hammer boon
and 3 poseidon boons
what do I do?
yep
see hammer take hammer
wise words
i dont do that with excalibur tho
xD
its fine on its own
You get 2 hammers per run, take them when you see them
Excalibur has some good hammers
I like the increased aura size
What!
Yeah it has great base dmg, but lay down that aura and just slash away
The huge slowdown is very beneficial as the aura also acts as a projectile shield
i mean sometimes when i see atremis door, i just go in
hammers comes and goes xD
cursed slash excalibur is fun too
I prefer cursed slash on all the blades except excalibur lol
i never take cursed slash on anything but excalibur lol
other builds lacks dmg
beside posedon
since it works like caster anyway
That's funny how polar opposite we are
cursed slash on ||excalibur|| is such a meme tho
the attack speed is super slow and ur negating the high health aspect of it
hermes daddy takes care of my attack speed >:(
plus ur screwed for final boss because ur aura doesnt even protect you
Shield is really good but it’s painfully slow especially if you use ||beowulf||
since he moves around a lot
use dio cast stygian soul for hidden shield
im pretty sure ||beowulf|| can one shot most boss phases with the right build
shield hidden aspect is just another aspect depenedant build
its my least hated shield
On sword hidden aspect I got the hammer that heals you when you attack but lowers your max health by 60% and it was really good
finished a run with ||beowulf|| yesterday, made me hate the shield even more
Aspect of Zeus shield is my favorite
crush shot easy +1k dmg
But I don’t really use shield anymore fists are much better
all fists is just too much fun
Yes
i did fists hidden aspect with dio attack D:
u just dash around and inflect wide AoE hangover
the dash attack is big range
melts ppl
I still haven’t unlocked hidden aspect even though I’ve done heat levels 0-8 with fists
I never get ||Asterius|| as a miniboss
D:
I just use aspect of talos
talos my most hated xD
I like the magnet because at max level it increases damage output to effected enemies by 50%
Not with the right build
I use ||demeter|| on attack and try to get support fire and I’m set
meh
I don’t take anything for the special because it seems like the game keeps giving you boons until you fill the slot
zeus strike + support fire is big dmg on both rails and fists
yah zeus is great at anything low damage, but fast
I’ll try that next time then
dio attack is p good on fists too
dio attack on fists is kinda pointless xD
u dont deal extra dmg, just apply hangover fast
a really fun build I had was dio attack, ares special, aphro dash on zag fists
and all of the duos between the three
i only use dio attack on hidden fists
since the dash attack hits huge area, easier to apply
I dont use hidden fists
and ares special
so maim + doom
dio special is great too with chrion
u apply x8 stacks with a single skill
you should try zeus attack with hidden and poseidon dash and seastorm
unlimited lightning :D
super soaker?
best weapon in the game?
but for fists
ares attack on chiron with dio special 🤔
super soaker is hands down most fun build till now
since you have a ton of dashes
RAIL BEST WEAPON
what is super soaker?
Dio cast on Hera though 
"best" weapons are hidden bow, hidden shield, eris rail
but its pretty debatable
Hey i just got the game, anyone want to chat while we play. Maybe give me some tips?
tails does wonders with it
there is a 51 heat unseeded boonless run with it
mad
i struggle clearing 15 heats D:
yah fs, you can ask questions in #h1-for-new-players if u get stuck
if theres japanese dub i would pay for japanese dub
ye tails op
Japanese dub hades
well me too
hades is just anime in disguise tho
whats hidden bow?
|| rama ||
ofc
yep
most important part of the game
i cant believe they put aspect of Jesus into the game
lol tisiphone and charon, I wonder how a conversation between the two will go
Man Charon has my favorite voice lines
HNNNNNG
HURGHHH
before they released aspect of ||lucy|| i was like "100% bet gun will have a christian reference and i want aspect of Jesus to shoot roman's tear"
tisiphone is bae tho
I was actually thinking it would be someone who uses a gun
salty, roman tears
Like a modern war hero or something
tbh if it were that it would be aspect of glock
Aspect of Billy The Kid
where instead of a chaingun he pulls out a glock
Aspect of the 12ga Double Barrel
"eat 9mm you heathens"
Aspect of Doomguy
wherz my hestia tho
6 shot piercing gun would be Pog :o
and she gave birth to a beautiful imi desert eagle 50 ae
The aspect of The World
It would be pretty cool if there were aspect of robin hood bow
or a samurai sword
Aspect of Kitchen Gun
KITCHEN GUN!
Chiron Bow has been my favorite weapon so far
"now I will make a knife out of lernie"
not 1000
I don't remember
Aspect of Kitchen Wife
Doesn't 1000 just straight up melt most metals?
how cool it'll be if the hidden aspect for the spear is Cu Chulainn
I wish there were a hermes boon that increases dash length
That would be pretty cool but hermes boons are already overpowered enough as it is lol
well the purple (epic?) tier can give you like +3 dash
it'll make up for the length lol
Yeah
zoomies
You can also get +40% move speed
moar zoomies
The most overpowered boon though is dio’s that refills your health to 50% after each room
Or ||demeter|| and Athena’s duo that automatically regenerates your health if you have no death defiances
ive started really appreciating single bar dio calls
its really good AOE when you dont got much
Yeah I always run with the eternal defiance one
If you have 50% health after a chamber you’ll be filled to almost full hp anyways
But it does give you 3-5% extra damage
That’s not enough to really matter
Especially when attack boons do +60% to +100% attack damage
by the final fight its a fairly decent % boost to all your damage
doesnt it also increase the damage for those boons tho?
its additive damage so it really isn't that much
It stacks on and it’s only a 5% difference per fountain
i feel like its solid for a cast run tho
since the base damage on cast is always higher and bonuses are harder to come by
can i leave a bossfight and come back so i can restart it with full hp?
ive tried to force quit once and it counted as a "give up" so... dont think so
i mean it saves after i enter the fight
yah but it wont allow u to quit
why would it save at the final fight
^
not mid encounter tho
but im on mac so it might be different for windows
ive heard some contradictory reports
alt+f4 doesnt even work in a room, and ending the task would be the same as hitting "Give Up" in the menu
for me at least
:)
|| after beating him a few times, then thinking you can take him in tartarus
||
when you have one attack boon and see the ||"borrow" ||option
when can i gift a nectar to hades?
much later in the story is the spoiler free version of it
you're at the locked heart, right?
yes
gotta finish his favor
i need to see whats in there
reach the true end and talk to him :)
yea || you need to clear the underworld at least 9 times || (minor spoilers)
should i just switch to easy mode?
it's exactly ||10|| times
to get it
if you have issues with it, yes
Only if you're not a real gamer
i dont have issues
it takes more time to think about what i do and how i do
like if i play hard mode i usually get defensive stuff
thats ok
IMO it's not worth it if you're not having real issues with the difficulty
unless the game wants to give me a mythic boon
try your best, if you have huge issues ask here or use god mode
the asking here?
if youre no longer having fun with the game, its a good time to try god mode
god mode helps when you really struggle
you can always turn it off afaik
like if you havent gotten a single clear in about 100 attempts
What does god mode do exactly? Does it literally just make you invincible or is it just like an aid for fighting?
I'd say 40-50 is the time to activate baby god mode
first it gives you 20% damage reduction and every death it adds 2% up to 80% damage reduction
I see
nah thats normal
Never actually used it myself lol
i never used it either
I'm currently on my 4th or 5th in a row
do i have infinite revives?
infinite revives?
god mode
ooh
ffffffs
i thought it makes you completely invincible
it would be op if you got infitine revives
i went hidden bow and took twin shot + explosive shot
now my attack takes forever
._.
from the wiki: "You get 20% damage resistance, increasing by 2% for each death, capping at 80%"
no it just makes it easier for the non-regular gamers
Having accessibility options is always good
big part of hades is the story and characters, god mode lets others experience it as well
I mean yeah
also, some people dont need a challenge to have fun
If the difficulty is stopping you from enjoying the game
exactly
Then having an acessibility mode is good
nobody forces you to ever use it
I'm kinda on the fence for "acessibility modes" in games, as in, difficulty stuff
it doesnt even help you that much if you first try it tbf
Like, for some games I don't think it would be good
But for most games it's not a bad option to have
hmm
when is an accessability option truly bad tho?
idk i find it nice that the game devs think of their fans that are less... gifted in the gaming department
I'd say when making a game easier makes it less fun
its the sekiro discussions all over again
lol
i think some games having a single difficulty is fine, at the end of the day its up to the consumer to decide what to get
hades has a slew of difficulty options with heat already
as well as hell mode
well aslong as the accessability isnt crazy easier it's just nice to know your non-gamer friends might be able to play the game too and enjoy it with ya
Yeah, base hades is already the hardest of Supergiant's games
woot cleared 20 heat
hidden now op
ps : twin shot + explosive shot combo is cancer
op dmg, but cancer
I'm still doing 6 heat
The highest heat I've gotten to so far is 16
my prev heat record was 13
Pleasing skelly is what gave me the stregth
xD
but i seen tailsque doing 51 heat boonless run
with hidden now
and i was like : I CANT BE THAT TERRIBLE FFS
yeah
obviously
obviously xD
31 heat and i just cant get 32 D:
idk why but the juggling just sucks D:
juggling?
I personally don't care too much for heat, but it can be a nice change of pace if you want some variety in your runs
EM is a great way to spice up the game, especially at the highest level
Yeah, I especially like the Lernie fight with EM
||plus you get to listen to Unseen Ones||

lernie can be so horrible depending on the head you get
This reads strangely
lol
well i know which punishments i like and which i dont with certain others sooo it's pretty hard for me to juggle high heat options (like i have nothing against BP2 but BP2 with FO2 just sucks the life out of me)
it's not about difficulty i just give up in the middle of the run if i feel it too much 
AP2 can make a regular run interesting
take breaks between zones, i feel ya
i cant because then i'll lose the zone and just suck infinitively lol
ugh i spend 60 hours by now
stalker intensifies
times flow fast
stalker?
you are now lost to the zone
lmaoooooo
wait till you decide you wanna buy everything the house contractor has on offer 
because you have to play with a n64 controller
just wait me few yrs and ill do it
xDD
^
play 64 heat with n64 controller
you can get tips on 32 heat in #h1-high-heat-strategies! theres a pinned post there with some advice
or else you are a coward
me is lord of cowards
are there tips for getting discouraged mid run 👀
oh goddess sorry i @ you 
i get discouraged when my boons is terribe
i feel like : jump in deez lava pools
xD
same but i just sell them
no, but you can do it! i believe in you 
i dont mind the ping
i just sell all my boons
boonless run gang
shackle gang
nah i won the game with 0 boon
all my homies like sisyphus
||rama is a fun and balanced weapon||
kek too balanced
am i the only one who feels like hidden bow feels wayyyyy different from any other bow so getting into it is super hard?
||tho its torture to use rama||
i was like this at first
I just sad the Guandao is a whack weapon
but found that i can destroy the x2 protective layers with one special
all of the ||hidden aspects|| vastly change the way you play the game
@viscid moss ||except gigachad cat paw||
its what makes them special
gigachad cat paw 
spoiler the names my dudes
^
i mean no one knows what that is if i censor everything
think of the lovely newbies
with 2 layers of names
lovely newbies
like aspect of memesis
MEMESIS
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my limited comedic genius only comes up with ||guan poo||
aspect of holding q
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lmao
mfw i got hidden piano talent
||pop||||pop||||pop||||pop||||pop||
||pop||||pop||||pop||||pop||||pop||
||pop||||pop||||pop||||pop||||pop||
"A cOnTrolLeR Is ReComMenDEd"
also aspect of chaos
Q
like bubblewrap but less satisfying 
more like aspect of james charles
Who uses Special on Q
BRO WHAT
I've rebinded my special to RMB and cast to MMB
It's always kinda awkward when you switch from controller to K&M

creation
I have special on side mouse button
Oh god
Uh oh sisters we are in styx now
the default keyboard bindings for special and cast should be reversed
||Charon fight on Tartarus||
have you seen my name
Wack
Pretty sure I switched them first thing when I got the game on pc lol
wha
AHLKALDÖAÖVAFL
via links, yes
aa
upload your pictures on imgur or gyazo and send the link here
discord is smart enough to show it
smert
i swear to god if i see one more homestuck reference on Zag I'm going to start crying
also when are we getting a mod where the flamewheels are just thomas the tank engine
and when they are near you you hear the theme song bass boosted
or just play astromania
whenever the twitch version of hadeez nuts comes out probably
karkat
a mod but every time the flame wheel runs at me it plays the Thomas the Tank Engine theme song bass-boosted
yo when are we going to have eurydice turned into a stock photo of a brocolli
that would be pog
🎤 🥦
for his neutral special
zagreus uses a gun
when you think about it
those Aid abilities (or Call?) are just a fancy way to say "Speed-dials
more like "zagreus lemme have the phone"
why does it never fail, i hop on here and discord is like, hey fade posted cursed things wanna see? you're seeing it
picking Demeter's Call like "okay sproutling gimme ur phone"
literally the nick

;-;
zagpensive wobble
okay so i was supposed to send a funny art meme but the caption has an f-word so i can't send it
uhhhh, ask me in DM, i guess? ;-;
Demeter uses a gun
hey fade posted cursed things wanna see?
Demeter doesn't use a gun but she does have her two friends: Lefty and Righty
sprays you with a water bottle
one armed with 1911 another with a magnum
trust me you will love it tatz
its about ares

oh no
to tatz, im like a horror movie villain
probably a combination of both
but a lot more memeier
its mostly that discord just seems determined to catch me up on chat from the very point you posted cursed chaos or cursed thanatos
oh yeah cursed thanatoast
cursed than?
i havent post that
should i be scared
ok

on the other note
i am filled with love for than because of mortal coil it aint gonna be bad
tatz i need ares but its handsome squidward
no goodbye im gonna play vidya 
have fun!
ill ping you when im ready
rip
For yall controller peeps, trying hades on switch, what do yall have reload on
I'm thinking, on l or zl
I'm like hella new to controllers
Thats l right?
Ah
I wanna get the hang of controllers. All the pc games I have that are recommended on controllers, I simply couldn't before 
Hoi o/
How strong is Shield in general?
Because I got to try Bull Rush Shield and 500% makes me wonder how nuts it can get with an Attack Damage build
||when does megaera visit your room to collect her belongings?||
I managed against Hades with Bull Rush Shield and it paid off
okey its ready @distant night
usual max bull rush does i think 40 damage, that + aphro + that hammer = melt bosses
...oh wait
well that was a weak meme if you meant that o.o
what if thats what the fountain in the end if made off
I mean, it's a good bit to cut out
so i had to boot the game and screenshot the blade rift in game
Esp. with all the art around it and INSIDE it
wonder why that took so long
don't breathe this!
So
Both.
cant*
bruh i wont argue with you about it anymore
ladies and gentlemen
bruuvvv
you think shield sucks, thats ok
245 Damage/shot
i think rail sucks, thats ok
i present you
That's nothing to sniff at
hidden aspect is fine lol
now leave me be
:(
harsssh
thanatoast
evol kat
where is than-a-toes
@analog reef good luck about that lmao
the-natchos
i'm not into argueing about something that is personal preference
Thanachos
Thanachos is impossible
thanachoo
I never expected so much memery when I got in here lol
i didnt expect the amount of spoilers too
thomas the train intensifies
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and thats why you complain daily about using spoilers for newcomers
understandable have a nice day ;D
Lol
honestly hades is prime meme material
why there is no roles for max heat cleared?
wish granted
in dead cells discord, u get color depends on how many cells cleared
thats for the speedrunning discord
there is speed running discord?
non official right?
Oh
honestly heat roles would b cool
dusa img
like 8, 16, 32, 40, 45, etc
i didnt know either
That's Dusa but wheres the Me
#lovewins
also im just gonna, edit this image into thanatos edition
im taking chip damage from reading this convo
xD
Personally I like the pepper heat idea
nachos chip
kid icarus moment
we dont have gods emojis?
I too never learned how to read
Oh yeah i still have some cursed god images to make
also no thonk emoji?

Kid Icarus Uprising is woefully underrated
ive never played kid icarus
tbh never fed with nintendo milk enough aside from maybe zelda
thats it
The only problem with it is that it hurts your wrists
I wonder if I could get KI:U functioning well with citra
I still have the stand that came with it
step 1
OO
step 3, get hunting baes and profit
hunting baes?
Isn't Artemis better for fast hitting weapons
zeus
i didnt ;-;
I have seen an 8k crit
yeh
also hunting baes play the game itself
maybe some uncle chaos epic spices
just remember to use your kidney stones
thats what hunting baes are
problem?
they are busted
not really
so u throw the x3 and just run
merciful end is even busted
artemis aphrodite and hidden sword bruh
honestly how is there not an image of athena holding a uno reverse card meme
their duo literally makes it so crits do more damage
ill one up you, memesis with aprhodite and demeter and a 40% damage for status curse
me aphro simp
heart rend nemesis is my favorite thing in this game
i'll one up you
aphro artemis with dio on call and zeus on cast for smoldering air with priviledged status
aphro's base damage came from her thighs and she might possibly just snap your neck with it
dio will not only snap your neck but also your whole skull 😂
fug
the leg day
dudes got yams
dude got THIGHS
They're not that big
dio probably do drunk yoga everyday
those are some thicc thighs
to be clear
