I bet most people can finish within 5 runs with a maxed out mirror and weapon aspect.
#h1-discussion
manic bobcat
plucky flare
specifically death defiances are what make the game so easy
if you can't win just get more death defiances and eventually you can brute force your way through the game
usually in roguelites you are fragile and have to learn how to never get hit at all but in hades the best tactic seems to be just hoarding health
manic bobcat
That tactic no longer works with certain heat options.
brisk trail
i'm not very good at roguelikes tbh
manic bobcat
I find the way Hades modify difficulty quite brilliant. A new player to rogue games can beat it with mirror. But people who are more experienced can use the pact to make it a lot more punishing.
You have options.
plucky flare
it is pretty neat
brisk trail
do the options make it easier?
brisk trail
oh
winter harbor
The difficulty is more modular compared to difficulty in other games
Like, you pick and choose which modifiers
mellow rampart
random question, if I purchase extra ammo for the rifle gun thing is it permanent ?
winter harbor
Titan blood upgrades are permanent
mellow rampart
ok I bought it and made my gun have 18 or 16 bullets per mag instead of 12 went to sleep woke up the next day and it had 12 again and I had no blood that I spent
mellow rampart
but shouldn't I have my blood back ?
manic bobcat
ok I bought it and made my gun have 18 or 16 bullets per mag instead of 12 went ...
Are you sure you picked the correct rifle?
mellow rampart
can't be super certain tbh it was like 3am but I know I did a run with the extra ammo for sure
manic bobcat
If it's true what you said it's a likely a bug
manic bobcat
can't be super certain tbh it was like 3am but I know I did a run with the extra...
Did you give up that run?
mellow rampart
I can't remember tbh
winter harbor
Yeah, giving up runs resets things to how they were
mellow rampart
it was a few days ago
manic bobcat
Ok. I'll try to give some possible scenarios. I'm not discounting the game bugging out but sometimes we can make errors we didn't realize.
manic bobcat
wait PLEASE tell me hades isn't a bullet hell
About 2 in 70 ish chambers are bullet hell.
mellow rampart
I just beat him the first time with the shield he didn't spam "projectiles" at me
manic bobcat
So yes, but not really
brisk trail
About 2 in 70 ish chambers are bullet hell.
thank you
mellow rampart
Ok. I'll try to give some possible scenarios. I'm not discounting the game buggi...
we get 1 blood per weapon after beating the fury sisters right? I'll try to count how many I spent
manic bobcat
Yeah
My current guess is that you buy the rifle, then give up the next run, which refunds your blood.
You didn't realize that and use the blood for something else.
mellow rampart
ok seems like I spent 7 on my weapons
but I did buy 2 with the npc that trades on the bar
leaden vector
how many gifts can be given to each npc?
oblique bridge
Can't wait to play hades in 2021
leaden vector
yes))
hexed shore
You can check the number of hearts in codex
Just stand close to the npc and press c
If this does nothing then keep playing the game and try again after a two or three runs
narrow hemlock
thats a spoiler, please tag it. also no
azure violet
ok
narrow hemlock
you can still ||find them on the surface afterward||
leaden vector
If this does nothing then keep playing the game and try again after a two or thr...
But after all, the maximum number of hearts is not visible there, because there is an ellipsis
azure violet
thats a spoiler, please tag it. also no
sorry about the spoiler btw
azure violet
you can still ||find them on the surface afterward||
where
narrow hemlock
you're fine o/ and ||they'll be where you fight the boss||
azure violet
oh ok
winter harbor
I like how when you beat Meg enough times, she acknowledges that she probably isn't going to kill you, but slow you at least
hexed shore
I died to lernie after years today
And she was super jealous cause I didn't die to her
#RelationshipGoals I think?
azure violet
||btw i used my free attempt (the 10th one) to also beat heat 16||
paper thicket
Btw, how many complete runs would it take to open ||the gardens||?
I believe I saw a Mr. Lythero there in one of his most recent Hades streams.
azure violet
||what gardens?||
paper thicket
||The gardens on the far right side of the house, past Zag's room||
winter harbor
You need to win ||10|| times
azure violet
oh i just got there lol
paper thicket
Hoo boy.
Guess I'll be getting there by 2022.
winter harbor
After your first win it gets much easier
winter harbor
Mine too
winter harbor
I really like hidden bow though
calm linden
I enjoy Coro, was my first clear
ashen parrot
Coro is bad
azure violet
is it the critical damage aspect?
winter harbor
No, it's the fourth aspect
azure violet
oh ok
ashen parrot
'Oh hey let me plant my feet and stand here for 5 minutes while I rev up an attack and if I'm hit I don't get to do anything!'
paper thicket
Was just about to ask what the "hidden bow" was.
calm linden
I use dash attacks almost exclusively
ashen parrot
'And if I just left click nothing happens because haha why would THAT do anything
calm linden
I build around circling dash shots and shotgun specials
azure violet
but it makes you shoot like 5 shots less
calm linden
regular attack is too slow for me, yeah
paper thicket
Makes me wonder if there's an equivalent for the gun to make the clip bottomless.
narrow hemlock
bow is great, it just has a steeper learning curve
winter harbor
Yeah, gun has daedalus hammers that make the ammo infinite
azure violet
i love that one
ashen parrot
Bow is terrible
calm linden
delta chamber is the upgrade, always my choice if I have the option
hexed shore
After your first win it gets much easier
This is a lie
First win is always a fluke, this is known
paper thicket
LMAO
hexed shore
It only gets easier after second win
narrow hemlock
Bow is terrible
i promise that most of the time i see people say this, its because theyre not used to it. that opinion often ends up changing. i used to hate bow when i first played it.
winter harbor
Well, I planned my first win with god keepsakes and everything, with shield ares doom special
ashen parrot
Hades is a game about mobile damage.
winter harbor
I like how bow aspects all play very differently
ashen parrot
The bow is a weapon that encourages immobile damage.
paper thicket
I mean, yeah.
It was my first run with the shield with zero plan whatsoever.
hexed shore
Hey roush have you tried dash attack with bow
This sentence changes people about bows
ashen parrot
Left clicking dashing does nothing
winter harbor
you're supposed to kite and power shot everything
calm linden
Dash first then left click, your attack charges faster
ashen parrot
So I flat-out don't understand what that changes.
hexed shore
Except ot does do something
ashen parrot
That's nice, but guess what.
hexed shore
It makes it way easier to power shot
calm linden
Power shot happens faster with dash attacks
ashen parrot
That doesn't change the problem at all.
In a game where I should always be on the move, planting both feet is not really a tactic that makes sense.
narrow hemlock
if you think bow is about immobile damage i think you still misunderstand how bow works :/a
calm linden
If you're constantly dashing that is mobile damage
ashen parrot
Tatz
hexed shore
I mean it does cause no one is going to thwack you while you're that far away from them
calm linden
Dash -> power shot dash attack -> dash again, repeat
winter harbor
I haven't mastered power shots either but I noticed I use less DDs now when I use Zag bow compared to before so I must be improving
hexed shore
The idea with bow is not standing simply and loading out power shots
ashen parrot
I can't ever even land power shots even with the Perfect Shot upgrade
hexed shore
Its being away from your opponent while loading dash strikes
ashen parrot
Because my arrows love to randomly fly off two pixels
hexed shore
The only bow I've had an issue powershotting with is the 4th one and even then it's fine cause it hits like truck anyway
winter harbor
I love the twin and triple shot hammers on hidden bow
hexed shore
Like look man when I started the game I absolutely hated the bow
Like I thought to myself there's no way this weapon can work
But right now my highest heat clear is on bow
And I don't play bow cause it feels like easy mode
winter harbor
I think hidden bow is why I've managed to clear my level of heat with bow
Because it has it all, aoe and large single target damage
ashen parrot
I'm just lucky.
I've gotten Poseidon Dash and Zeus Cast so I should be able to beat Tartarus
hexed shore
Hidden bow makes me forget everything I know about bow cause it just ruins the power shot timing I have from playing bows
ashen parrot
Then I can die in Asphodel and never pick up this weapon again
hexed shore
Lol OK
calm linden
On a tangentially related note, how do people play spear? I get the same feeling of being stationary and vulnerable when charging up spin attacks, so I tend to just use achilles aspect and raging rush / dash attack around. Wanted to try Guan Yu but seeing as that encourages spins I'm not sure how to do it
ashen parrot
@calm linden Don't use Spin Max
Also, I don't tend to charge spins unless enemies are summoning in
At least until I get the upgrade for faster ones
Then I can usually replace a level one spin with a jab
hexed shore
Lol no
I love spin
Atleast on hades
The trick is charge away from your enemy and then dash before you release
You'll cover the entire screen
hexed shore
Yea it's one of those things you find out and go like woah
rancid vapor
Happy New Year from Germany.
hexed shore
Achilles aspect spin is pretty small tho so I don't really spin on it often
I'm just spamming bull rush and cast when I play Achilles
Hades spin is love
hexed shore
Zag bow?
ashen parrot
yes
hexed shore
Rip
ashen parrot
I should point out Bow is my worst weapon
hexed shore
I don't think the special does enough damage to warrant aphro but I might be wrong
calm linden
Generally you'd want a stacking status effect on the special because it can hit multiple times
something like Demeter / Dionysus
pseudo lark
On Zag bow you really want to get Hunters Dash and Artemis Attack and then just dash-strike everything to death
Dash-strike shortens the charge time, so you can get a lot more attacks off
Then stacking Arty Attack with the innate crit that Zag Bow has gives you some pretty consistent crits
You almost never special, but I personally enjoy Aphro on special for the Heart Rend application
ashen parrot
Oh my sweet Christ, I almost died
Nine minutes, DD, and 11/50 HP
But I beat Tartarus
They were spinning up for the big 15HP damage AOE
I was RIGHT NEXT TO THEM
I tried to use the bow-dash crap
It lost me ~40 HP
winter harbor
Yeah, bow is rough
I think I tried to cheese my first win with bow with poseidon dash
But later on I did get a really good aphrodite attack
dark linden
Question, I currently only need to get the Bad Call achievement, do any of you have tips on how to get this one?
I've tried a handful of runs, but can't get the fates to line up to:
A: get a call,
B: get a hermes boost to get the max call in one fight
C, Get the right Olympian in a duel
calm linden
Try to get it to happen during Elysium, let the enemies regenerate
winter harbor
I did mine by taking damage during the trial so it could charge to a full call (admittedly it also killed me but that run was going badly anyway lol)
calm linden
Other than that it's kind of just luck
dark linden
Well, here we go again then :-P
ashen parrot
Is there a way to check which weapons I have/haven't gotten the Tartarus reward from
calm linden
Do you have a pact of punishment on?
winter harbor
Skelly suggests the invention of writing things down before you unlock the pact
calm linden
There's probably some other way to check it, but I played on hell mode from the beginning so I just see what I have or haven't cleared at any given heat level when I started
winter harbor
That's the only real way of keeping track before that unlock
ashen parrot
Skelly can choke on his Obol
marsh bloom
Happy new year from Italy guyzzz
cold gate
holy crap hestia aspect is busteeed
dark linden
Happy new year
swift geyser
happy new year to everyone !
atomic rover
HAPPY NEW YEAR!
atomic rover
Do not worry, we will celebrate with you
manic bobcat
:D :D :D :D
prime harness
Happy newyear everyone hope yall have a good one
arctic zenith
Shield with Minotaur rush and energy blast just makes it a better bow.
Charged shot
ashen parrot
Honestly, bow wouldn't be bad if you could tap-click
brisk trail
i like the bow by far my most favourite
drowsy berry
I also favour the bow over anything else
arctic zenith
Yeah bow is good
paper thicket
I assume by "||completely Chill||" it means ||applying all 10 stacks of it|| on the enemy?
calm linden
Yes
acoustic vale
Lol, I hate the bow. Maybe I am just bad with it 
lyric bramble
Do the effects of the lambient plume like when you gain more dodge chance, stick when you take it off
arctic zenith
Bow is hard to learn
acoustic vale
Yeah, it feels so slow and clunky
arctic zenith
I’m mostly shield
acoustic vale
Love the sword after I found out you can dash-special
amber bramble
I can never get exagyrph to Work for me
acoustic vale
Press special, dash and land your special further away
Not sure if there is a technical term for it
calm linden
Exagryph shines with hammers imo, it's good otherwise but really nice when you get rocket special / delta chamber
amber bramble
Its not an actual listed combo
paper thicket
Also, does the crit rate of Nemesis's Aspect stack with Arty's crit rate increase?
amber bramble
Its just something you can do.
acoustic vale
Oh, didn't noticed fists also have that combo listed
Most of the time just pick weapons to wack stuff
paper thicket
Mood.
Playing this game puts me in the Pyro mindset.
The only buttons on my K&M are W and Mouse 1
paper thicket
Also, does the crit rate of Nemesis's Aspect stack with Arty's crit rate increas...
Let me try rephrasing this, then.
Does the critical hit rate of an Artemis boon stack with the critical hit rate of the Aspect of Nemesis after Special?
Still unsure what counts as spoilers or not. lmk if I slip any spoilers
cold gate
wow ||Hades rly just let me leave without a fight smh 😔 ||
||is there more after this point?||
calm linden
Yep, plenty
dusk patio
Hey Hades fam. Just joined in here. Beat the game for the third and fourth times today. I just can't stop playing it. It's so good and rewarding after every run.
cold gate
also do supergiant got plans for more content?
dusk patio
I wish so, I can already imagine many fights and foes to go against. I leave the amazing dialogues, weapons, powers and boons to them.
chilly dock
K ty
dusk patio
a light in the river, more precisely
cold gate
youll hear a ting when theres one spawned
calm linden
I didn't get Poseidon arriving and telling me how to fish until well after I cleared the actual game, actually
cold gate
yeah, dialogue can be kinda odd
for example, i had poseidon congratulate me on reaching asphodel when im on my 10th victory lmao
calm linden
It forms a bit of a backlog, so if there's something more story-relevant then it comes first and the other stuff gets pushed back
which can lead to odd things like what you've mentioned, but at least it allows for a greater degree of flexibility on the part of the game
wide solar
Guys which is the best aspect for the spear
manic bobcat
I like Achilles and Hades personally.
Though every aspects can do well. There is no best, just favourite.
wide solar
I'm just trying to figure out which one to use to complete a run with because I haven't done it yet. I just finished one with the fists
manic bobcat
I think you can try one run with Achilles
wide solar
||I got to Hades with full HP and 4 death defiance because I used Skelly's keepsake||
manic bobcat
and focusing on building a good cast build
manic bobcat
||I got to Hades with full HP and 4 death defiance because I used Skelly's keeps...
That's really good! My only suggestion is that for that fight specifically, Evergreen Acorn will likely be better since it offers more effective HP, usually.
Broken Spearpoint is a close contender also.
wide solar
Yeah I have leveled up the acorn and I am going to level up the broken spearpoint
winter harbor
Why does Zag have to battle his way through the underworld?
Why can’t he just sneak out the exits when the enemies aren’t looking?
cold gate
how many more times do i have to escape after ||persephone comes back to the underworld?||
granite ether
Yo @earnest sand the ||Hades fight|| is considered spoilers in this channel as an fyi 
earnest sand
ohh yeah sorry
granite ether
You're better off asking in #h1-builds-and-combat
manic bobcat
It happens a decent amount. In general it doesn't affect me so I kinda ignore it. Though this is massive spoiler :D
paper thicket
I was thinking spoilering the video but that works.
earnest sand
I've deleted it now, will post it in the other channel with censoring in the other channel 😄
granite ether
The #h1-builds-and-combat channel allows spoilers ^_^
manic bobcat
how many more times do i have to escape after ||persephone comes back to the und...
Until what specifically?
If you mean the epilogue, ||there is a quest associated. The faster you are done with it, the faster you get there, obviously.||
If you mean the complete ending of the game ||where you don't have to do runs anymore, there is no such ending.|| This is the nature of roguelites in general. ||There is no escape.||
oblique bridge
How many times do I have to give Meg nectar to make her my pet or whatever
cold gate
so after ||persephone comes back|| the storyline is over?
manic bobcat
so after ||persephone comes back|| the storyline is over?
There is the epilogue (which is different from the end credit where ||Mom gets on a boat and come home||). The epilogue ties up some loose ends. But after the epilogue, ||the narrative ends. The game doesn't. There is an explanation for that, of course.||
chilly dock
How can I tell what the fishing spots are
earnest sand
it's a glowing light in the water ^^ plus after you clear a room and pick up the reward it goes ding to indicate a spot in the room
chilly dock
K ty
wide solar
the spear is so awkward...
arctic zenith
Is smoldering air good? I used it once with Athena but how is it with other calls?
icy fox
So, IMO boss kills should give both darkness and special drops
It's annoying for new players to get items they can't use yet, and it's annoying for players wanting to play at a higher heat than their bounty level to not be able to farm darkness
random spear
||I caught a hellfish it’s so cute||
cold gate
hidden aspect is 
manic bobcat
My fish tier list ||https://imgur.com/w6oEjk3||
random spear
+70% attack damage with one pomegranate =}
And Artemis’s cast cleans up the wretches she summons effortlessly
hexed shore
Artemis cast is just Artemis call, change my mind
manic bobcat
Artemis cast is just Artemis call, change my mind
Won't dispute fact.
carmine ravine
does it have the same dmg
hexed shore
Less
carmine ravine
does it need time to recharge
hexed shore
Well in a manner of speaking
carmine ravine
does it have the same cc
hexed shore
Cc?
carmine ravine
crit chance
hexed shore
Actually unsure
manic bobcat
I think they are both 10%?
random spear
Throws spear
DANCE, BLOODLESS, DANCE
hexed shore
Ooh call has 35% cast is 10%
random spear
👀
hexed shore
But also like meh I'm not firing quarter bar call expecting to crit
random spear
DAMN YOU CHAOS
Lost both my DDs to the hydra of all thing because I couldn’t dash
It was the pink spike / wavemaker hydra >:((((((
The WORST hydra to come across without any dash!!
timid slate
playing a cast sword build, > chaos gate gives +1 cast x2 times :D
then flurry cast
gg
fastest end boss ever lol
also epic exit wounds man
technically, chaos gave u options D: @random spear
unless u hardcore 2 boon limit xD
arctic zenith
||OH MY GODS, THERE WAS A FISH IN THE LAKE IN FRONT OF HADES AND HE COMMENTED ON IT, I LOVE THIS GAME ||
icy fox
@random spear Doesn't chaos reduce dash range, not damage you per dash or anything? You'd still have iframes that you can use to dash over the waves
plucky flare
so can heroic boons only appear if they can replace another boon or am I just unlucky?
arctic zenith
You’re right
chilly dock
||TIME FOR HADES PHASE 2 WITH 2 DEATH DEFIENCES FIR THE FIRST TIME||
||Halfway through his health with no death defiances and 25 hp 
||
arctic zenith
Well Eurydice or Demeter’s rare crop boon will work too
orchid hound
есть русские?
random spear
So I guess my build is good
random spear
<@!289094297913917440> Doesn't chaos reduce dash range, not damage you per dash ...
The dash took me literally less than a single regular step in distance, I can’t go over the wave itself in time
random spear
So I guess my build is good
Not anymore :(
Didn’t realize the anvil was randomized
So it just got rid of one of my good hammers, gave me one useless one, and the other didn’t synergize with the hammer I didn’t want anymore
Not worth the nearly 300 obols
...at all >:(
frank ore
Oh,, yeah I did that once with the spear and got wrecked so fast.
random spear
It had so much damage too 
frank ore
I'm just. Avoiding those in the future.
random spear
The anvil in the last shop?
frank ore
Yeah
paper thicket
Which is the better boon?
Lightning Rod or Crystal Clarity?
brisk trail
crystal clarity
paper thicket
Was thinking that.
Funny I got both of those when it was just Artemis and ||Demeter|| talking, with Zeus nowhere to be seen.
jade nacelle
Anyone know where I can find a bank of Hades dialogue? I accidentally skipped past one regarding fishing thinking it was regular ||pre-battle|| banter and I'm sad.
paper thicket
You love to see it.
random spear
paper thicket
Anyone know where I can find a bank of Hades dialogue? I accidentally skipped p...
There's only text on the Gamepedia wiki IIRC.
No audio, since apparently that's about 2k lines worth.
Even then, I don't believe those wiki pages are complete.
narrow hemlock
oh theyre not, its just people adding to it every so often
jade nacelle
Damn, yeah. There's very little there. Oh well. Thank you.
narrow hemlock
i can get it for you in a sec once i finish this vid
||HADES: Be still. These waters... teeming with Poseidon's river denizens. That one there, before me... it's been taunting me, I think, for quite some time.||
@jade nacelle that one?
manic bobcat
I have never seen that one...
cinder lichen
I have. Kinda funny.
distant night
||https://imgur.com/a/q6ftzwB || @jade nacelle ?
tepid dust
i saw it once i kinda wish he would say it again sometimes
winter harbor
I like how Zag interprets it as an ask for ||father-son bonding time||
distant night
i have lots of dialogue screenshots, is this the right one?
winter harbor
Like, maybe just this once, maybe we could skip the battle and just go fishing together
narrow hemlock
how many screenshots do you have
distant night
over 3k 
manic bobcat
what on earth
distant night
some of them are of bugs
narrow hemlock
close to tatz levels, i can applaud that https://gyazo.com/379eef3499ed12c1d5f65fc98a540e76
manic bobcat
bruh
paper thicket
Don't worry, that's normal.
distant night
the 3k are only in my first folder :DDDDD
manic bobcat
i have 56 across all games across all platforms
paper thicket
I got about 4.3k screenshots on my Switch of solely BotW.
manic bobcat
yall are crazy
paper thicket
It's legit taking up too much space, so I've been trying to cut down that amount.
manic bobcat
i like having things for archival purposes fox
I know, it's great. I was kidding about having too many.
distant night
i feel like i make too many screenshots
but the game is just too pretty and well-written not to take this many
distant night
that name is a spoiler here lad :/
manic bobcat
||https://imgur.com/EbUskUH|| This one is one of the few dialogue I took.
plucky flare
o sry
distant night
ohohoho
manic bobcat
I feel called out
narrow hemlock
i think my fav screenshots were when my game bugged early blood price beta and all the character portraits (except for orpheus for some reason!) got replaced with random image assets. it was very... interesting
tepid dust
👀
manic bobcat
i think my fav screenshots were when my game bugged early blood price beta and a...
Have you seen the Curse of Nausea IRL bug in the test branch from me?
narrow hemlock
wait what
manic bobcat
distant night
npc boulder time
winter harbor
Zag just took drugs then and started talking to inanimate furniture
cinder lichen
Nyx is the fountain. Apparently.
distant night
that is 100% nyx what are you talking about
narrow hemlock
dont post them into chat tho lol
tepid dust
god thats an agreeable outcome for nyx too id say
narrow hemlock
https://i.imgur.com/7CpDKil.png
how did u even manage that
cinder lichen
aw
manic bobcat
Steam update went wrong essentially
And the game still loaded
IRL Curse of Nausea ensued
distant night
<https://twitter.com/aphneiios/status/1331811894714359809>
wait hades has been a rack of nectar the whole time???
so thats why he dun want it
narrow hemlock
oh god wait i just realized how warped the assets are LOL i was just paying attention to what zag was saying
wild!
games sure are fun
manic bobcat
and the models warping in and out
with a non functioning health bar
I should have recorded a video lol
narrow hemlock
its just chaos playing a prank, its fine
tepid dust
they should make it into a chaos curse
manic bobcat
they should make it into a chaos curse
Could be a heat where they essentially hide the UI
Chaos Curse works, too
distant night
i want there to be a punishment that makes normal boons be curses 5-20% of the time because the olympians are done with you
manic bobcat
i want there to be a punishment that makes normal boons be curses 5-20% of the t...
People have been advocating for an AP replacement.
Something like this could work
distant night
it wasnt fun
honestly sgg could go bonkers with the punishments
(and please let HS be worth more or at least with tiers)
(it's the bane of any em2+ game)
winter harbor
Heightened security needs to be more heat
plucky flare
there has been a distinct lack of mimics in this game so far
random spear
👀
random spear
there has been a distinct lack of mimics in this game so far
Probably because we can’t heal very often
A mimic would be a cheap trick
plucky flare
||encountered a green fury, their tactic is to turn into a beyblade that throws more beyblades around and it is surprisingly effective||
manic bobcat
Be me
Found money lying around in a shop
Got transported to secret boss
Damn mimics
burnt breach
> Be me
> Found money lying around in a shop
> Got transported to secret boss
>...
imagine if it happened in real life
remote forge
> Be me
> Found money lying around in a shop
> Got transported to secret boss
>...
Excuse me?
burnt breach
remote forge
Uhhh... i didn't use any bad words there???
manic bobcat
If money wasn't nailed down, it's meant to be stolen. It's not stealing if I can easily it open.
remote forge
So I saw that really sweet Hades arcade cabinet someone made and
it got me to thinking
remote forge
I wish we had a classic Megaman style side scroller but instead of Megaman shooting lemons it's Zag shooting shards.
distant night
the nick 👀
remote forge
Eight main Olympians as robot masters.
Do I mostly just want Hades chiptune remixes? Yes.
I take this affront to mimics personally.
remote forge
If money wasn't nailed down, it's meant to be stolen. It's not stealing if I can...
Actually nailing down money is illegal. That's defacement of currency.
Tape should be fine though.
distant night
what about nailing down money indirectly
like nailing down the pouch you hold the money in
remote forge
Oh that's fine
So long as the pouch isn't made from money.
Then you've committed even more crimes.
remote forge
"Defacement of currency is a violation of Title 18, Section 333 of the United States Code. Under this provision, currency defacement is generally defined as follows: Whoever mutilates, cuts, disfigures, perforates, unites or cements together, or does any other thing to any bank bill, draft, note, or other evidence of debt issued by any national banking association, Federal Reserve Bank, or Federal Reserve System, with intent to render such item(s) unfit to be reissued, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both. "
Brings new meaning to "don't <beep> with my money".
remote forge
Yeah nice thing about gold is you can just melt it down and mint it again.
winter harbor
The Greek Underworld, at that
remote forge
Also Hades is absolutely loaded.
distant night
we gotta ask charon bout that
hades isnt, charon is tho
his robes are made out of obols brother
winter harbor
Hades still wears plenty of gems
remote forge
No, Hades is absolutely loaded.
distant night
and still he wont buy one rug with it
remote forge
It's canonical in the source material and it's mentioned many times.
Hades' domain is the earth, and he's generally associated also with gems, gold, etc
Why do you think the Roman Pluto is associated with wealth (e.g: plutarchy)
winter harbor
he's where we get the term plutocrat from (his roman counterpart)
remote forge
Yup.
But Hades in this game knows what's really valuable.
Not gold.
Not gems.
But capes.
Gotta have plenty of red capes. They're so practical.
distant night
holy heck
remote forge
And you don't even need to wash them just burn them every time you take one off.
distant night
if you're talking about capes nobody but dio hermes and hades are loaded
winter harbor
tbf, I think he only does that for dramatic effect
winter harbor
he probably just takes them off normally when he's not in battle
remote forge
Even his ||bedsheets are capes||
distant night
ngl i wanna have dio's cape
remote forge
His ||room contains hundreds of capes||.
distant night
his ||pillow is made of stone||
remote forge
_ngl i wanna have dio's cape_
Forget the cape. I wish I had his thighs.
distant night
brother YES
but we have dio's thighs in this server and i'm happy enough with that
remote forge
Dionysus absolutely crushes watermelons into a punch bowl as a party trick with those babies.
distant night
THANK YOU
distant night
there was a discussion about artemis vs dio thighs sometime before
remote forge
Dionysus has thighs like D'Artagnan in the Three Musketeers.
Dumas spends a few sentences describing them, for some reason.
Yeah you've got your sleek toned thighs, and your melon crushing thighs.
They're both good but they're different.
It's like how sometimes you want cherry preserves and sometimes you want blackberry.
distant night
i have no way of understanding that comparison
distant night
those sure are some strong grape thighs
plucky flare
what is this conversation even
tepid dust
theyre both good pairs of thighs id let either of their thighs kill me
distant night
like those grapes you eat on the chaiselounge while feeling like you're from ancient rome
remote forge
Yeah but like, Artemis could choke you with her thighs.
Dionysus could split your skull.
distant night
what is this conversation even
dont question the thighs and capes
remote forge
Different aesthetics. Both deadly.
plucky flare
I am pretty sure they all could split your skull as they are gods
south comet
why can I not upgrade my weapons with my titan blood?
tepid dust
i want an official hades™️ cape
south comet
is there something I need to do to unlock that
distant night
have you bought all weapons and went on a run and came back?
remote forge
i want an official hades™️ cape
You can buy a bolt of red fabric online.
plucky flare
capes are neat
remote forge
They're not complicated capes.
plucky flare
but also really dangerous
south comet
oooh I need all weapons
plucky flare
got choked last time I wore a cape
tepid dust
maybe youre right..
remote forge
but also really dangerous
NO! CAPES!
south comet
I'm missing 2 weapons
tepid dust
if supergiant sold a big plain red cloth and i had a job i would probably buy it
remote forge
Stratogale! April 23, '57! Cape caught in a jet turbine!
Meta Man, express elevator! Dynaguy, snag on takeoff! Splashdown, sucked into a vortex! NO CAPES!
distant night
spear, bow, shield
tepid dust
i use whichever one has the dark thirst
plucky flare
so far classic sword and spear are my favourites
distant night
another spear fan why hello!
south comet
shield is fun too but shield kinda feels like cheating to me
remote forge
Does no one remember The Incredibles.
plucky flare
although I just unlocked the gloves and they are quite powerful too
distant night
Does no one remember The Incredibles.
we do,but this is the wrong channel to talk about them
tepid dust
i like the spear for its dash attacks and i clear pretty quick with it but i am probably not using it to its fullest capabilities
plucky flare
this channel is for thigh discussion only
tepid dust
i think i like the sword and rail
remote forge
Spear is probably my favorite weapon overall
plucky flare
spear is nice
plucky flare
had a run where I poked stuff a billion times and then another where I used the spin to become a tornado
distant night
i have tears in my eyes, so many spear enthusiasts
random spear
Orpheus is ||finally singing|| <3<3
remote forge
The spear just has a lot of range
tepid dust
i rarely use the spear special and i never use the spin attack...
plucky flare
bow imo is the worst weapon
distant night
congrats!!!
remote forge
You can cast build, attack (spin) build, special build
random spear
Btw I love spear
distant night
;w;
remote forge
bow imo is the worst weapon
Chiron and ||Rama|| aspects would like to have a word.
Bow is fantastic.
tepid dust
is there a point to the spin attack besides ambushing spawning enemies... it's slow and seems dependent on hammers
random spear
Hera aspect is also fun
remote forge
Hera is fun but not as good. But it is fun.
random spear
is there a point to the spin attack besides ambushing spawning enemies... it's s...
^^
random spear
Hera is fun but not as good. But it is fun.
Yeah
random spear
Woeh
distant night
chiron bow is sexy
remote forge
On normal or Achilles? Not so much though it's not bad.
distant night
if you ever hate bow go for chiron bow, aphro attack, dio special and Priviledged status on the mirror
it melts
random spear
Oh dear
remote forge
Aphro attack, Artemis special, Dio cast
Then get all the duos
Debuff spam
With lots and lots of crits
random spear
I tried desperately to get Dio on my previous run, while I had Doom on my attack
distant night
use the keepsakes
random spear
I’ll try
distant night
orpheus might thank you later ;)
random spear
I didn’t think I was gonna need to lol
remote forge
5 is rare and usually not worth trying to do imo
random spear
Generally only 4.
4 + hermes
distant night
only if you only force 1 god tho
distant night
hermes is his own god
like hammer
since you only get 2-3 boons of his
but if you force only one god 4 is a probability, if you force 2 having 5 in the pool is the norm, idk about forcing 3, never needed to lmao
remote forge
4 is the norm,
5 if you have 4 and use a keepsake to force.
After 4 the game stops giving you new gods naturally.
distant night
tbh i dont know when it is recommended not to force
for than/hermes keepsakes runs or boonless but thats it
unless you go full rng
distant night
only if you really dont get the god you need
remote forge
Which when you have keepsakes rarely happens. Or you just roll with what you get.
sinful berry
random spear
If Aegis would stop landing me directly on top of the spike traps that would be GREAT
STOP IT, CHAOS SHIELD
THIS IS NOT THE KIND OF CHAOS I WANT
STOP LANDING ME ON SPIKE TRAPS
distant night
controll the rush
random spear
H o w ? ?
distant night
you can decide where it lands while charging
tepid dust
have you tried not stepping on the traps? 
distant night
hypnos is that you
tepid dust
(i dont have nitro so i cant use the hypnos emoji lol)
random spear
you can decide where it lands while charging
Not if I’ve already fully charged it and it goes literally offscreen!
>:(
distant night
well you can still hold the button down and circle it wherever
train it a bit on skelly if thats your biggest issue, he really is great help to actually deepen your understanding of the infernal arms :)
random spear
I’m also just tired rn
:(
Elysium and the zone after it really sapped my energy last run
distant night
tomorrow is another day lad :)
time will never move in the underworld anyways, your health comes first :D
runic agate
im bac
distant night
welcome back :D
runic agate
e
distant night
e :)
radiant estuary
🇪
distant night
we live for it
runic agate
lmao
distant night
imagine playing as zagrus in the goty renowned game hads
runic agate
distant night
ok anyways, how are you, how is your doge how is hades :)
distant night
enthusiasm for 2021? 👀
runic agate
naw
distant night
D:
runic agate
anyways #off-topic-discussion
distant night
trutru but i shall be leaving for a bit :)
distant night
sry i need to do some stuff and get better at hidden sword
runic agate
distant night
see you soon
untold gazelle
Are their any plans to make the security log more usable? for example seeing what the boons did and what stats they had?
hexed shore
Would be nice if there was atleast like a list with weapon names and Outcomes that I could see on one screen instead of hitting left left left left
random plume
Happy New Years everyone!
opaque nexus
manic bobcat
runic agate
hard thicket
red tiger
carmine ravine
wheres the honor bar
brazen delta
Hey! I was wondering, is it possible to buy more than one Kiss of Styx in a run?
I've already bought a Kiss of Styx in my run and wondering if it's worth it to keep going through ||Temple of Styx|| to get another Kiss
granite ether
yes, you can ^_^
brazen delta
Great! Thank you!
warped blaze
Happy New Year 🎊🎊🎉🎉
brazen delta
Happy New Year!
Stepped away from my PC for a sec and missed the Zagreus's line when he released Malphon's hidden aspect into ||the outside world||, could anyone tell me what he says?
pliant sparrow
should be in wiki
brazen delta
no problem I'll look! Thanks
pliant sparrow
oh wait i found it
@brazen delta ||i see you overcome the wild and make peace with death!||
-from some rando tutorial about how to unlock the fists
rapid forum
Hidden fist is unbearable
pliant sparrow
what did you want?
brazen delta
I mean when you reach the surface with it
narrow hemlock
i prob have a screenshot of it
pliant sparrow
oh dunno
narrow hemlock
narrow hemlock
np 😄
distant night
you are fast tatz :o
narrow hemlock
picked up tips from hermes 
distant night
blessed by ares and hermes, nice :)
narrow hemlock
the best bros
distant night
very true
craggy barn
is there a hermes boon that makes stuff like doom take less time to take effect, or make drunken deal damage faster
distant night
also some blessing by charon in there by ay chance?
craggy barn
that'd be pretty great 
distant night
hermes boons dont affect other gods boons
craggy barn
narrow hemlock
isnt that just ||ares dio duo||
distant night
there is however a duo boon; athena with ares; called merciful end
||**Merciful End ** Your attacks that can Deflect immediately activate Doom effects. Doom Combo Damage: 40||
ares dio affects hangover:
||Curse of Nausea Your Hangover effects deal damage faster. Damage Rate: .5 sec -> .35 sec||
craggy barn
i should probably check out the codex for info on the boons
distant night
i should probably check out the codex for info on the boons
there i have copied both from the wiki
craggy barn
distant night
also if you just wanna look up duo boons effects the wiki is pretty spoiler free when you go to just the duo site https://hades.gamepedia.com/Duo_Boons
hearty pumice
Hey guys what boon is good with special attack bow?
distant night
dionysus
craggy barn
and maybe demeter
distant night
if you plan on getting ares stacking, ares is nice too
plucky flare
does the flying kick from upgraded gloves lock onto enemies?
craggy barn
stacking status effects are generally best with multi-hitters
plucky flare
it seems like it does
brisk trail
it does
plucky flare
neat
brisk trail
it'll launch u towards them
hearty pumice
I just took artetis with 20% crit with special attack it didnt effect any good i am confused why no crits? With special
plucky flare
gloves are very nice
craggy barn
the flying kick is cool but the "homing" thing just feels weird, no thanks
craggy barn
to each their own
distant night
I just took artetis with 20% crit with special attack it didnt effect any good i...
one special arrow does 10 damage so with artemis 40-80%+ damage you really just do up to 50? damage per arrow so it really isnt noticeable
another thing could be horrible crit rng
i feel you in that case ;-;
hearty pumice
So artemis special with 20% crit is not good with special bow?
distant night
nope
hearty pumice
Cool ty so stacking damage is good
distant night
yes
since you can really do damage to bosses that way
i personally prefer dio because he does continuous damage once hit and basically clears rooms with scary amounts of enemies without you needing to hit a lot of times
hearty pumice
Hangover right?
distant night
ares can be very nice for that too but to really stackdamage on bosses you need his stacking boon
yes hangover
hearty pumice
In the name of hades olympus i accept this message!
crisp zodiac
Coming back after taking a break because a but prevented Switch players from getting legendary catches. Another player reports that we finally can. This is not spelled out explicitly in the patch notes. Can someone elucidate this matter?
craggy barn
one special arrow does 10 damage so with artemis 40-80%+ damage you really just ...
i mean 10 increased by 200% isn't that much
manic bobcat
Coming back after taking a break because a but prevented Switch players from get...
I am not aware there was such a bug to be honest.
distant night
10 + 40-80% * 3 = sad
winter harbor
I like how they don't let you buy healing when you're already at full health
distant night
what if i want my gyros tho ;_;
crisp zodiac
Foxhope: It was regarded by tech support.
Artemis' Cat, your notation is incorrect.
winter harbor
I was aiming to buy a poseidon boon because I was aiming for curse of drowning but misaimed for the food instead
(I ended up getting both sweet nectar and curse of drowning in tartarus)
crisp zodiac
Your notation only multiplies the increase. The total damage is multiplied.
3(10 * 1.4...1.8) is appropriate.
The point that it is sad panda damage is correct, though.
distant night
do i look like i care
crisp zodiac
I'm not looking at you, and I have done nothing to warrant a snide attitude. Grow up.
distant night
idk man, if i wouldve cared about notation i wouldnt have written = sad
manic bobcat
You are not wrong mate, but still, it was such a nitpick
distant night
it's 8am and i am ready for the first 2021 sleep
manic bobcat
sounds brilliant
versed verge
When do we get a zag funko pop?
sonic vigil
👁️👁️
runic agate
@distant night Am back
distant night
welcome back E, you have been greatly missed
manic bobcat
But they are gone to bed
runic agate
God i love how freaken wholesome this server is
distant night
hehe
runic agate
Not only is hades godly so is its community! CHEERS TO HADES!
distant night
what can you say when you come to a server thats based on games that are visual novel-esque with characters and twists that make the manliest men cri
runic agate
((pun intended)
distant night
this game makes SOFT
crisp zodiac
random hostility for no reason
wholesome community
Yeah, okay.
runic agate
I mean
hexed thicket
runic agate
what can you say when you come to a server thats based on games that are visual ...
i cannot argue with that assessment
Its right here on this paper
distant night
ngl hearing the ||overworld|| music makes me tear up
i have seen a hades critique on youtube and now it makes me even more soft
runic agate
it says: "Hades is a great game : ) we love you super giant"
sterile ferry
Did anyone else here buy the soundtrack for Hades on Steam ?
runic agate
ngl hearing the ||overworld|| music makes me tear up
starts crying n-no it doesnt man......
distant night
it's less of a "we criticize game" and more like a "THIS GAME IS GREAT BECAUSE: ...." critique and i am living for it
distant night
Did anyone else here buy the soundtrack for Hades on Steam ?
yes
sterile ferry
I have Apple Music which means I get it for free but I honestly want to buy it to support the company do you guys think I should will it benefit me at all to buy the music? Even though I have it I Apple Music
craggy barn
buy it on a different service
sterile ferry
Sorry mobile typing sucks
distant night
*starts crying* n-no it doesnt man......
you softie you
sterile ferry
What?
runic agate
no i dont have the alt on this server
sterile ferry
What’s a pfp?
runic agate
The exact pfp you have was the pfp i used for my alt a while ago
...
bruh
profile picture
distant night
hahah E you have too many pfps i always get discord stranger interaction flashbacks when i see somebody tagging me before i recognize it as you lmao
runic agate
pfp
runic agate
hahah E you have too many pfps i always get discord stranger interaction flashba...
Lmaoo
sterile ferry
Sorry I have been up 2 days :/
narrow hemlock
a little late but please remember rule 1 :)
distant night
that... sounds exhausting, you good?
naive swan
I really hope they'll add some DLC's to this game. Looking at how Hades has already been more successful than all their previous titles combined there's a good chance I think.
runic agate
Here's an old one @distant night
distant night
oh my
sterile ferry
They should add a supporter pack option kind of like Grimm dawn or path of exile
distant night
the backflashs are strong today
runic agate
Ive got a few more if you want to see
distant night
question, does "do i look like i care" really sound so hostile, i just say it cause i dont care about something in a non-serious setting now i feel bad
runic agate
i have like 5 pfp's Thats not even counting the ones on other devices
distant night
i have like 5 pfp's Thats not even counting the ones on other devices
make a pfp collage of another pfp
distant night
discord said nah
sterile ferry
 are the music files on steam able to be transferred to different devices or are they locked only to steam client music player? Do I get access to the mp3/FLAC files? :0
brisk trail
There's definitely a pretty big swath of the internet and just human culture where that phrase would come across as positively milquetoast, but the SGG community is in general a little more gentle than that.
runic agate
Bruuuuuuh im stuck on this pfp now
distant night
 are the music files on steam able to be transferred to different devices or ar...
you can download them i think?
sterile ferry
I didn’t know if they would be in a local files folder were you the one that said you bought them on steam as well?
brisk trail
If you email SGG, (there should be more information on their website, or after they come back from their break next week,) you should be able to get more files, including the ones you specifically want.
sterile ferry
The soundtrack is out of this world I’m sorry I just got it stuck in my head all day now
runic agate
Yo
narrow hemlock
question, does "do i look like i care" really sound so hostile, i just say it ca...
it was uncalled for, imo. remember tone does not always convey well through text.
naive swan
@distant night You can say "I don't really care about it too much" which serves pretty much the same purpose and even though you don't mean it in a bad way: yes "do i look like i care?" is most often used in a "hostile" fashion you could say.
distant night
whelp i never saw it like that, thx for the explanation
runic agate
Most see "do i look like i care" as hostile
distant night
sad
manic bobcat
bad cat 😤
craggy barn
naive swan
It's used in a hostile way normally. When somebody gives you advice for example and you grow angry with them. TBH I've never really seen it being used somehow else.
naive swan
But english is a giant mystery in itself.
brisk trail
That is incredibly subjective.
And almost entirely depends on the setting and general tone the setting normally carries.
distant night
well it really depends on who you talk to to really understand all of the normal feelings pushed into all sentences
i guess i was just lucky to have lived in a more directly hostile than passive aggressive surrounding to really understand that emotion behind it
brisk trail
I've been in incredibly toxic chats where a phrase like that would qualify as positively soft, but in 99% of the chats/groups I've been in would find that at minimum combative.
That sounds like you've been unlucky, not lucky.
distant night
i still dont see it tbh but i will try to use it less
naive swan
Well you're right but... can't convey your emotions too well over chat sadly.
distant night
thats true
ngl i would love this chat/channel/server in irl, we do lack some wholesome interactions out here
but maybe not now
distant night
:o
give him my nectar and appreciation and snuggle him from me
i have been forgetting to pet cerberus, time to force my love on another lovely doge
runic agate
I would give him a good ol' bottle but he probs wouldnt like it
distant night
give hima bottle of treats
naive swan
Does Cerberus do anything after you pet him X times? I don't think so eh?
runic agate
Theres an achievement
distant night
he just whines really cutely and if you pet him enough you might fullfill his favor earlier than you wanted to
and hades gets mad
runic agate
(First achievement i ever got i think)
distant night
which is a whole nother reason i love to pet cerby baby
runic agate
and hades gets mad
This makes it several times more worth it than it already is
Aight i gtg fr this time cya
distant night
cya :)
naive swan
Only 32% have petted Cerberus 10 times.
distant night
a very sad stat that makes sense but also breaks hearts
plucky flare
maybe it just means the remaining % haven't gotten that far in the game yet?
distant night
there's over 60% that have all arms
most have explained it via saying that there's many who played hades in early access and maybe pet him enough back in those savefiles, the achievements only came out with v1.0 so if the early access players come back they wont have to pet the good boy and just focus on the roguelike/lite aspect of running
hence why most of the achievements above that one are about the roguelike/lite gameplay aspect of hades only
naive swan
200iq
distant night
thx to tatz and all the other mods who probably heard me whine about that achievement
they have the 200iq lad 🙏
naive swan
Man that ||Arthur aspect for the sword|| hits so insanely hard. My biggest Crit with it so far has been 7200 something.
lavish skiff
is the kind of fish you get dependent on rng or on reaction time
distant night
reaction time
lavish skiff
thats unfortunate
distant night
if you hit fast enough your catch will say "perfect catch" above
lavish skiff
and is that the highest rarity?
distant night
else you will get common or a low chance of rare
there is common < rare < legendary
distant night
well you can tell by the bobbing or is it way different on switch?
lavish skiff
yeah you can tell by the bobbing but my normal technique is to just close my eyes and feel
because visually i get hella tripped up by the half bobs
distant night
kinda sounds like fishing on normal switch is easier ;_;
lavish skiff
quite
distant night
well yeah, they are supposed to be fake-outs, but if you get lucky and get 3 fakes in a row the 4th is always the fish
naive swan
I always look at the white spark
distant night
it is max 3 fakes for pc but idk anything about switch
lavish skiff
maybe if i connect a controller to the switch lite then thatll vibrate?
i should try that
distant night
well if it isnt different you might get lucky on the next fishing trip and get a 3-bober?
versed verge
It's max 3 on both
distant night
good luck on your next fishing trip!
lavish skiff
thanks
also can fishing spots pop up in chaos without a lure?
ive been to chaos quite a lot and ive only gotten a fishing spot once when i got a fishing lure
and a light of ixion at the same time
quite fortuitous
winter harbor
Yeah, it’s possible, but very rare
naive swan
@plucky flare Which level of the underworld?
plucky flare
the first....
plucky flare
hope I encounter patroclus sometime
lavish skiff
gl
distant night
patty the best ex machina in this game
do people ever tend to get as overwhelmingly glad when they see sisy or eurydice
lavish skiff
i like eurydice the most
because im running sd and without kiss of styx dark patty isnt as much of a godsend
naive swan
I personally always get top or middle one. Depending on the boons i have.
lavish skiff
i always get top one
plucky flare
last time I took Nectar because my stuff wasn't worth upgrading
lavish skiff
thats fair enough
naive swan
TBH i don't even know what bottom one is
plucky flare
if I have good stuff I would usually take ambrosia because its a lot harder to upgrade rarity than it is level
lavish skiff
yarn of ariadne x3