h1-discussion

[raw harbor]

Do these guys show up in game? —->

[distant night]

wait what if house contractor late game upgrades spoiler||the victory screen and boon list cosmetics are those lists he makes prettier???||

[distant night]

i think thats from Bastion

[raw harbor]

Oh

[supple lodge]

aight how am i supposed to get Hypnos' couch to show up in the contractor upgrade menu

i got cerberus' fancy cushion but not that

[raw harbor]

What is the end of the game now that REDACTED is in the house of hades

[distant night]

there is an epilogue ;)))

[raw harbor]

Oh Boi

[distant night]

and also the sub-stories

[raw harbor]

Mmk

[south kestrel]

Good question, || I got it playing as usual, I guess you need more hearts with him? Or unlocking specific dialogue? ||

[raw harbor]

The first character I got full hearts with was Cerberus

[south kestrel]

There's stuff you unlock naturally without knowing it actually needed some specific conditions

[distant night]

|| Give 4Nectar to Hypnos
Have 24 Contractor Upgrades||

[nocturne ginkgo]

Hmmmmmmmm

[distant night]

those are the requirements

[nocturne ginkgo]

I really wanna beat the final boss with the gaun

[supple lodge]

ohhhh i see

[nocturne ginkgo]

But I keep falling short terribly during the fight

[supple lodge]

welp time to buy more upgrades

I yeeted most of my nectar at him lmao

[south kestrel]

Ohhh, thank you!

[raw harbor]

Lol

[nocturne ginkgo]

It is possible to dodge the whirlwind attack, right? Like, dash through the attack?

[south kestrel]

Yup

[nocturne ginkgo]

Pain and suffering

Maybe I should try to best them with another weapon instead for now

I've been trying to use the gaun for a long time now

[distant night]

honestly if you dont care for upgrade spoilers and are looking for how to unlock all house contractor items just go to https://hades.gamepedia.com/House_Contractor#Great_Hall or https://hades.gamepedia.com/House_Contractor#West_Hall or https://hades.gamepedia.com/House_Contractor#Lounge

[nocturne ginkgo]

Like...the past 6 or 7 runs

[distant night]

you will see the requirements

[nocturne ginkgo]

The house contractor

And chongo (broker)

The real MVPs

[south kestrel]

Don't worry, even if you fail, observe boss' move and learn from them. Eventually you'll be able to see through them c:

[nocturne ginkgo]

Yeah

I'm getting better at handling the expanding circle of flame

[raw harbor]

Who a better character? Skelly or Cerberus

[nocturne ginkgo]

But I'm still getting whacked

[distant night]

skelly

[raw harbor]

Mine is Cerberus

[nocturne ginkgo]

Cerberus

You can pet cerberus

You cant pet skelly

Therefore

[distant night]

what is usually your biggest issue with gaun? or rather which stage is the hardest?

[nocturne ginkgo]

Currently I have absolutely no problem with the gaun, I can clear everything up to the temple easily

[distant night]

i am still sad about endgame spoiler||cerb betraying me||

[nocturne ginkgo]

Then come the temple

..wait actually

[distant night]

||poison`?||

[raw harbor]

WH@T

[nocturne ginkgo]

How wise is it to actually uh

Do all the rooms

[distant night]

depends on you

[nocturne ginkgo]

I see

[distant night]

if you feel like youneed it, wise

[nocturne ginkgo]

I just do it because it's there

[distant night]

else if not: it's a waste of hp.. you wont get the hp back

[supple lodge]

Cerberus is the goodestboy i will not stand for the goodboy slander

[raw harbor]

Me too!

[nocturne ginkgo]

Yeah sometimes I find myself praying I get the charon mini shop in there

[distant night]

the well?

yeah

[nocturne ginkgo]

Ye

[supple lodge]

Cerb is just a really big dog

[raw harbor]

The bigger the cuter

[supple lodge]

with thrice the amount of dog in the front

[distant night]

i recommend going for the dionysus Strong Drink boon to get full regen from the final fountain before you fight the endboss

[supple lodge]

Cerb is the most unproblematic figure in Greek mythology

[nocturne ginkgo]

After I find the sack and heal up

[distant night]

but if you feel like you need all rooms... hm

[nocturne ginkgo]

Should I just go straight to the boss? Cause again, usually I only do the rooms because I think

[raw harbor]

I always get dat

[nocturne ginkgo]

free stuff

[distant night]

for HP

you still pay for the free stuff with your hp

[raw harbor]

The green sneks are so annoying

[nocturne ginkgo]

Ye

Sometimes I can come out of it untouched

Other times

*pain&

[distant night]

i normally dont go for more (like the pom is absolutely useless even if you get it as boss room)

[nocturne ginkgo]

Ic

[distant night]

you can easily dash behind them, stun them or get their armor down to stun them

they are easily stunned unlike the elysium enemies

[raw harbor]

Yea I guess

[nocturne ginkgo]

...oh

Thsts what it did

[raw harbor]

Butterfly ball tho

[nocturne ginkgo]

I just go brrrrrrrr

Maybe I should start trying heat

[distant night]

whats with him?

[nocturne ginkgo]

I didnt actually understand the rewards part

[raw harbor]

He’s so annoying and bulky

[distant night]

you get bounties for every victory you have achieved once on that difficulty (||heat||) and weapon

[nocturne ginkgo]

I'm actually only gonna try it now because

[distant night]

just pop him :)

[nocturne ginkgo]

Me: talking to meg

Meg: careful, you could affect all of us

Zag: like make the 3 sisters happy?
Meg: extreme measures? you wouldn't dare

[raw harbor]

Lol

[distant night]

smiles sinisterly in ||EM1|| constantly on

[nocturne ginkgo]

Me: ....
goes to the contract

[raw harbor]

Wuzzat

[nocturne ginkgo]

*has never used it before

turns extreme measures to MAX

[distant night]

BROTHER

also you might wanna spoiler ||extreme measures||

[nocturne ginkgo]

Me: well there are...3 sisters....

So therefore...

3

[supple lodge]

Aphrodite's ||rejection message|| is scary af man

||lowkey yandere||

[distant night]

:o

[raw harbor]

Welp, gotta go

Cya!

[distant night]

never thought of it as that

[nocturne ginkgo]

...idk if I can click that or not

[distant night]

have a nice day Matt :)

[nocturne ginkgo]

Bye

[supple lodge]

seeya

[nocturne ginkgo]

So...I can take my bow, the weapon I first won with

[south kestrel]

To be honest, just making them smile is quite the achievement...

[nocturne ginkgo]

And farm

[distant night]

for darkness, yes

[supple lodge]

Gosh I think I'll just stick to rejecting Dionysus in the trial rooms

[distant night]

if you put the ||heat|| up you'll get more bounties

[supple lodge]

At least he's more or less ok with that

[nocturne ginkgo]

For bounties?

I see

So it's not each individual ||heat||

[distant night]

question: do you find his trial hard?

[nocturne ginkgo]

Its ||heat level||

[distant night]

ye

[nocturne ginkgo]

I see

[supple lodge]

It's okay

[nocturne ginkgo]

...EXTRENE MEASURES

[distant night]

huh everybody finds it hard

[nocturne ginkgo]

LETS G O O O O O O-

[south kestrel]

Basically || each time you go 1 heat up, bounties are refreshed ||

[distant night]

only if you get the victory tho

[south kestrel]

Yup

[nocturne ginkgo]

Of course

[wide solar]

Obi wan voice hello there

[nocturne ginkgo]

The bosses...I'm getting better at them

Sans the final

[south kestrel]

Hello there :D

[nocturne ginkgo]

This seems perfect

[supple lodge]

tbh I'm just curious to see all the gods' rejection messages

[distant night]

whazaap

[nocturne ginkgo]

I just piss off the gods I wanna see angery

[distant night]

👀

are the two of you ok? do you need hugs?

[supple lodge]

I thought I'd piss off Zeus by rejecting him but apparently he's one of the more ok ones LMAO

[nocturne ginkgo]

which is why I'm very proficient with aphro being angery

And artemis

[supple lodge]

I accept Hypnos' hugs

I kinda wanna bulli Ares if only because every time I see him I get 'Mars, Bringer of War' from the Holst Planets Suite stuck in my head

[nocturne ginkgo]

Artemis: ...just, dont cross me again, aight?

[green maple]

Eh

[nocturne ginkgo]

Me:

[green maple]

Dio's trial isnt hard to me

[nocturne ginkgo]

...

[green maple]

My worst is always poseidon aphro zeus

[nocturne ginkgo]

D I O

[supple lodge]

Besides Ares is chill with the fact you gave him an opportunity to fight lmao

[green maple]

yes

He is so happy to kill

[supple lodge]

Dio Nysus, the god of JoJo references

Dio when rejected is just "bruuh i thought we cool, but no hard feelings ok"

[south kestrel]

Personnally, depends of my build and the choice

[lavish skiff]

||so i got dusa to max hearts but it doesnt register as there being a relationship, help||

[small tusk]

||did you get just the max hearts or is there a bow there as well? You "unlock" more hearts later||

[pliant sparrow]

||continue playing the game||

[lavish skiff]

||no like max hearts max hearts||

||i paid her steep ass ambrosia prices||

||3 hearts after the cupid bow and still no relationship formed according to the game||

[prisma wind]

You just need to keep talking to her

[lavish skiff]

ok

[small tusk]

Just keep playing. There's tons of RNG in Hades. Tons.

And that includes dialog options

[lavish skiff]

ok

[small tusk]

My gf started playing before me, but we kept getting different story progress

[lavish skiff]

||why does she take so much more ambrosia btw?||

[small tusk]

I was ahead in some relationships, begind in some, etc

[small tusk]

Ask Zag. He's the one doling it out xD

[lavish skiff]

fair enough

oh good

[small tusk]

That is a big spoiler even hidden xD

[lavish skiff]

well

[pliant sparrow]

not really any thing to the lore

just like a game mechanic

[small tusk]

Eh, it ruins the surprise

That's why I didn't hang out here till I did most of the stuff

[pliant sparrow]

oh wow accusing me of posting big spoilers :P

[small tusk]

It's tagged xD

I guess

I'm not sure, ever

[prisma wind]

There's a difference between spoiler tagging something in a conversation with someone who hasn't gotten there, and spoiler tagging something in a conversation with someone who has to prevent other readers from accidentally spoiling themselves. Please be considerate of others' experiences

[small tusk]

Msg deleted

Too many rules, one of the reasons I don't hang lol

Tag this, avoid that, talk this here, that there

Back to xmas board games xD

[prisma wind]

It also helps if you give context to the spoiler tag, so that people can judge for themselves if it's worth revealing. Like (epilogue spoiler) ||the spoiler is here||

[lavish skiff]

this build is kinda funny

i have poseidon attack, sea storm, razor shoals, and static discharge

[small tusk]

Yeah, this isn't something I'm willing to do, personally, easier to just talk to friends. Discord servers are cool and all, but with so many rules it becomes a hassle, so they end up in the land of perma-mute

[prisma wind]

Nothing wrong with that, do what makes you happy

[south kestrel]

Okay so I bought a portal in Charon shop, to just complete forget to use it.....

Pain.

[small tusk]

I kinda show up occasionally with a question and that's it. I guess it doesn't matter either way, since I've done the main job of buying the game xD

[prisma wind]

We just want to make sure that everyone has the same chance to experience the story for themselves, because you can only do it once

[small tusk]

Is there a channel to talk freely without having to search for the pipes every time to tag stuff?

[lavish skiff]

lol now on top of that earlier build i also have breaking wave and wave pounding

[prisma wind]

#h1-story-discussion is pretty free

[small tusk]

Seems like this should be "general" but isn't

[prisma wind]

Or #h1-builds-and-combat if you're more talking about runs and not plots

[small tusk]

Yeah, this fragmentation puts me off

Easy to derail and want to say something about a fun build or whatever, but then you gotta be like "ok, we have to move" - hassle.

Eh, easier for me to ghost then, ah well. No biggie :D

Merry Christmas to whoever celebrates it (day 2)!

[indigo flint]

Btw what do those flash images of hades and dialogue mean when you start a run?

Like does it happen when you fulfill something

Or is it just random

[pliant sparrow]

random

[indigo flint]

Pog

[lime urchin]

Tbh I thought it was random

[supple lodge]

It's good for reaction images at least

[twilit bridge]

I kinda thought it meant something too

[narrow hemlock]

its flavour text, little bits of backstory, not much beyond that

[distant night]

BROTHER WHAT

MY GAME CRASHED MID VICTORY SCREEN

D:

[lavish skiff]

oof

[lost osprey]

D;

[lavish skiff]

capital d colon indeed

[lost osprey]

you should be good if you reopen the game

[distant night]

well idk if that an L or a W

but - my victory screenies

[lost osprey]

thats what i do

from what i know its reopens at the same point it closed

[distant night]

o.o

OHH NOOOO

[lost osprey]

?

[distant night]

i dont want to refight him

please goddess

[lost osprey]

it put you back into the fight>

?

[distant night]

i had the worst build

[digital garnet]

Rip

[distant night]

it was a miracle that i survived on 10hp

[lost osprey]

wait

it started you in the fight?

[distant night]

just as the victory screen opened

my game said "whelp bye"

[void vigil]

you could probably recover your run still if youre on pc, check #h1-tech-fixes. unfortunately you will have to refight the boss though

[distant night]

i hope it had time to save

[lost osprey]

dude just reopen it

i dont understand the problem

[distant night]

i lost my victory screenie and i really dont want to fight the edboss with that build ever again

[lost osprey]

what

it reopens for me right where i left off

[distant night]

I LOST THE WHOLE RUN

[lost osprey]

why wont it for you

how?

[distant night]

cause it crashed

i didnt exit it

[lost osprey]

dude

[distant night]

it crashed

[lost osprey]

just reopen it

[distant night]

I DID

[brisk trail]

game crashing during the final boss sucks so much lol

[distant night]

it's gone

[lost osprey]

THEN HOW DID YOU LOSE THE RUN

[distant night]

CAUSE IT DOESNT EXIST

I LOST THE WIN

[lost osprey]

DUDDE

YOU REOPENED IT

[distant night]

i literally won

[lost osprey]

HOW DID YOU LOSE IT

[distant night]

BROTHER I AM IN MY GAME

[lost osprey]

dude

[distant night]

i was on my 162nd run

[lost osprey]

its crashed for me

[distant night]

now i only have 161st

and am back with skelly

[lost osprey]

on the last boss

and i didnt lose it

[distant night]

and i still have the keepsake and stuff i set BEFORE

WELL YOU LUCKY LAD

[pliant sparrow]

very cool im sure that one crash is representative of all crashes

[distant night]

i lost the run and am sad now

[prisma wind]

What works for one person may not necessarily work for others. There are recovery steps you can try in #h1-tech-fixes

[distant night]

and you are making me unneccessarily mad

[prisma wind]

But best case scenario you probably will have to redo the boss fight

[brisk trail]

when my game crashed I just took the L and started again

[lost osprey]

i really dont understand

[distant night]

"just open it" open what? the game? the files?

[brisk trail]

it's the same seed anyways

[lost osprey]

because when it crashes ive never lost anything

[distant night]

i have won the run with the worst build ever , my game crashed

and i lost the WIN

[distant night]

it isnt

i will get new rewards, new fountains, new boons

[pliant sparrow]

dude you realize there could be a different computer, different windows version, different reasons for crashing, different programs in the background right?

[distant night]

seeds dont work like that in hades

[distant night]

just because you ddint doesnt make my lost game suddenly reappear

[brisk trail]

the very start is the same/similar at least

[lavish skiff]

what's the max level for ||fated persuasion?||

[brisk trail]

||4||

[distant night]

only the first two rooms have the same reward

[lavish skiff]

ok

[distant night]

even the enemies are different

[brisk trail]

you can manipulate rng with casts and stuff but that's beyond my understanding

[lavish skiff]

it seemed like it was just gonna keep going on forever

[lost osprey]

/( )/

[distant night]

honey i have no idea if it saved after the win tho cause it crashed

[brisk trail]

plus if it was the worst run ever u got a chance to make it better now

since it's different

[lost osprey]

;-;

[distant night]

not really

it was a weapon aspect i am max ok at

i was trying to get higher heat on every aspect lol

anyways i'm sad

madness isover i am never touching that aspect without athena again

[prisma wind]

It doesn't hurt to try recovering your temp save. As I said, though, if it works it will probably be at the start of the boss fight rather than the end

[distant night]

;_;

then god no

[lavish skiff]

how good is kinetic launcher?

i got it because prophecy and it seems kinda odd

[strange adder]

||i have been waiting for so long just so charon's bag of obols will show up this is actually annoying me
I failed his second fight so i have to fight charon twice and win consecutively just so i can give hermes ambrosia||

when will it show up

[lavish skiff]

what is that spoilers for

[strange adder]

PLEASE

[strange adder]

||charon fight||

im not really sure how to not spoil it

[lavish skiff]

oh yeah p sure its just rng

[brisk trail]

"a specific interaction with charon"

[strange adder]

yea

SHOPLIFTING

BORROWING

they're both the same really

[distant night]

you need to go to every middle market

[brisk trail]

^

[strange adder]

that's what im doing

[pliant sparrow]

then just wait for rng lul

[distant night]

then you are majorly unlucky

[strange adder]

||but do you really think i can defeat him in tartarus with nothing||

[distant night]

it has a chance to spawn in one of the shops at least every 3rd run

[brisk trail]

yeah if ur good

[strange adder]

EVERY 3RD RUN

wow

[distant night]

yes?

[strange adder]

[pliant sparrow]

i mean ive def beat him in tart b4

[distant night]

have you only tried two runs or whats the issue with 3rd run i don understand

[lavish skiff]

can kinetic launcher show up with hidden fists and if so how does it work with special mechanic of hidden fists

[strange adder]

also is it required|| to complete the quest to defeat charon twice to unlock the rest of hermes' friendship gauge||

[strange adder]

i have no clue

[pliant sparrow]

check the fists wiki

[strange adder]

i might just use fated persuasion

[warped iron]

https://imgur.com/faD5dXQ

[distant night]

no, incompatible

[warped iron]

when its

hp hours

no DDs, but on final boss

😩

[strange adder]

wait can fated persuasion roll into charon's shop mid-world

[distant night]

then why did you

borg Today at 7:31 PM
EVERY 3RD RUN

[distant night]

yes

[strange adder]

oh good

uh for that i probably just overreacted

[distant night]

oh ok

now i am less confused

[pliant sparrow]

the mid world shop is guaranteed

[strange adder]

uh no

[pliant sparrow]

yes

its guaranteed to be an option

[strange adder]

for me it doesnt show up

and i know it's the midworld shop

[pliant sparrow]

that means you took a free room or another room instead

[distant night]

wait did you mean mid world the wells?

i am now more confused

**Fated Persuasion ** Each rank gives you 1 die, used to randomly alter Boon and Well of Charon choices.

**Fated Authority ** Each rank gives you 1 die, used to randomly alter the reward for the next chamber.

[strange adder]

ahh fated authority

that one

my b

[pliant sparrow]

no you cant roll a shop or roll into a shop

[distant night]

you cant roll those as far as i know

[pliant sparrow]

because theyre guaranteed

[distant night]

ima check which you cant uno secundo

[strange adder]

mid world?

[distant night]

||Some rooms cannot be altered, nor can they be acquired through Fated Authority. These rooms are Charon's shops, friendly NPC encounters with Sisyphus, Eurydice and Patroclus, passageways through Underworld areas, and boss rooms. Infernal Gate rewards can be changed, however. ||

[pliant sparrow]

yes both shops are guaranteed

[distant night]

spoilering for new players but it's about what cant be rerolled ^^^

mid shop can be skipped if you're unlucky

[strange adder]

ah alright

[distant night]

i didnt get a aspho mid-shop last run

[lavish skiff]

i just found out that hades pays his wretches, which is funny because what would they use the money for

[strange adder]

guess i just gotta get lucky

[warped iron]

buying stuff from charon?

[distant night]

to pay for jerky 👀

[lavish skiff]

fair enough

[strange adder]

what benefit would charon be to them actually

why would they buy boons from gods

CAN they buy boons from gods?

[distant night]

jerky, fishing point, health to kick theseus butt in elysium???

[warped iron]

I dunno maybe charon doesn't offer that to normal shades

just a thought

[distant night]

since the arena is open to every shade

[strange adder]

wow everyone that's not zag gets the short end of the stick

[lavish skiff]

they can probably just use the wells

[distant night]

and patty talks about ||having won in the arena and therefore having that limitless stock of his||

[lavish skiff]

eat jerky

[strange adder]

oh dang

||did he beat it with achilles?||

[distant night]

achilles isnt in elysium 👀

[warped iron]

bet

[distant night]

??

it's his literal ||payment for having patty in elysium||

[strange adder]

ohhhhhhhhhhhh

i forgot

[warped iron]

I was just joking around

[distant night]

👀

what a day to be confused by

[strange adder]

oh oops

theseus is pathetic

[warped iron]

on another note though, time to mod hades so that achilles now spawns in elysium lmao

for no real reason

[lavish skiff]

you could probably switch out theseus model for achilles model

[warped iron]

Not sure if they have all the same animations needed.

eg, zag has a bunch of unique ones

[tender oxide]

Does the game use 3D models or sprites

[warped iron]

3D models rendered to a sprite

baked

is a better word than rendered

[distant night]

why would you want to fight dadchilles ;-;

[strange adder]

i live for the the shade that supports me in elysium

[warped iron]

fight? no. we don't fight him. he is the door icon

[distant night]

he explicitly says he never wants to fight again ;-;

[warped iron]

or something

idk

[strange adder]

he is the reason i live each day

[distant night]

shadebro for life

[lavish skiff]

or maybe you could have him stand next to patroclus

[warped iron]

hmm

bouldy in every room mod

lets go

[strange adder]

lmao

i like how with|| aspect of arthur traps cease to exist||

if you use your special

[lavish skiff]

||lava also stops existing which makes em2 way easier||

[strange adder]

wait really?

i didnt know that actually

[lavish skiff]

it still slows you but doesnt damage you

[strange adder]

good enough i say

[brisk trail]

What's this

Kirbox

[lavish skiff]

yes thats me

[brisk trail]

[lavish skiff]

indeed

that is a pfp i have used in the past

[versed verge]

Wait i thought that special only slows enemies?

[brisk trail]

Nope

[distant night]

and projectiles

[lavish skiff]

well actually ||bombs/mines still go off||

just not ||things with pressure plates and lava||

[south kestrel]

Which is already OP

[lost osprey]

just beat the final boss again :D

[south kestrel]

Gratz!

[distant night]

fighting ||Em1|| with chaos hurting me on every time i attack with hidden sword

PAIN

[lost osprey]

i love the ghosts in the house

[distant night]

their stories are great

[lost osprey]

oh hey the chef gave me some ambrosia

[brisk trail]

my favorite one is the one who died from dehydration

surface fish babey

[lost osprey]

the chef is cute

and so are all the shades

especially the tiny ones

[timid slate]

boooy

rail + 5 shots + rocked upgrade

stick to styx

and see the beeeg numbers

add chill effect to special too for easy staks

[brisk trail]

Thirst kills people

[distant night]

wasnt that the aphro line

[strange adder]

i saw a guy who got mad at daedalus because his construction was horrible

he died from fall damage

[lunar cove]

Is there anywhere I could get pngs of the boon orbs/symbols?

[narrow hemlock]

symbols are on the individual god pages on the wiki

[lunar cove]

Oh awesome that's exactly what I was looking for, thanks!

[lavish skiff]

also in the codex

oh wait pngs nvm

ignore me

[indigo flint]

BRUH

I WAS SO CLOSE

SO CLOSE TO BEATING THE FINAL BOSS

I HAD HIM ON 1/8TH HEALTH

BUT THOSE POTS

THOSE DAMN POTS

AND I HAD APHRO DASH TOO

[distant night]

deactivate them yourself next time

[indigo flint]

AND I COULDNT AVOID THEM

AHHHH

[distant night]

oh damn :c

aphro dash isnt that great sadly

[indigo flint]

I didn’t even want Aphro dash

I just took it

And I had the perfect setup too

[distant night]

and purge pools didnt want to take it off your hands huh?

[indigo flint]

I was using Hera Bow, Artemis Attack, and Ares Cast

And I had the duo boon

And the boon that made ares cast faster and bigger

And I was SHREDDING health

Bruh I’m determined

[strange adder]

blade rift is a bit hard to use

i guess try hunting blades if you can use it?

[indigo flint]

I had Hunting blades

[strange adder]

oh

[indigo flint]

It’s the Artemis ares duo boon right

[strange adder]

yes

[indigo flint]

I wasn’t having any trouble with damage

[strange adder]

how many DDs?

[indigo flint]

||Hades|| was literally at 1/8th ||in second stage||

I had max skelly death defiance and stubborn defiance

I used both of them on ||hades||

I’m actually mad, I would have won if I didn’t have Aphro dash

[strange adder]

try using eurydice keepsake

[indigo flint]

What does it do again?

[strange adder]

that's probably useful since the final boss uses quite heavy attacks

blocks a few hits for the final encounter

of a world

eg bosses

[indigo flint]

Oh cool

But I won’t have skelly death defiance anymore

Ima try that run again, I was so close

[strange adder]

it's a bit hard to say which to use

[distant night]

skelly only gives 100hp; acorn can saveyou over 200 damage

[strange adder]

they're both generally good imo

[indigo flint]

Oh dam

Aight

[strange adder]

either way good luck

[distant night]

but you really have to get used to it

[indigo flint]

Thanks

Ima try get divine dash

Does divine dash stop the pots?

[strange adder]

dont think so

[indigo flint]

Damn it

[strange adder]

just keep your distance with the bow

[indigo flint]

Aight

I’ll tell y’all how I do

[distant night]

it doesnt stop them but you can dash thought them and destroy them before they destroy you

[indigo flint]

Ohh

I dashed into them

[timid compass]

Am I the only one that thinks athena's boons shouldn't give bonus damage?
Like
Reflecting projectiles and attacks is so busted already

[indigo flint]

Dodging ||Hades’|| attacks

[distant night]

aphro doesnt destroy pots

[strange adder]

if all else fails use the shield, it's actually stupid

[indigo flint]

It does

Trust me

[distant night]

👀

well then

[strange adder]

dionysus doesnt but aphro does

[distant night]

oh true

i mix those two up

[timid compass]

dionysus just adds poison stacks

it doesn't deal dmg

(I think)

[indigo flint]

Ohhhh

[distant night]

(and you're correct)

[strange adder]

is this your first time reaching the surface

[indigo flint]

So any dash that deals damage destroys the pots

[timid compass]

(yay)

[indigo flint]

Nah I’ve done it other times

[strange adder]

ah alright

[indigo flint]

Final boss is the bane of my existence

[strange adder]

i usually just melt it with whatever braindead build i use

[indigo flint]

If I don’t die to ||Hades|| (which is rare) I die to to champions

I died to tiny vermin once but we don’t talk about that

[strange adder]

try to whale on theseus when he gets help

he isnt blocking by then so you can melt him easily

[indigo flint]

Yeah it’s mainly the bull that weakens me

The sus is easy

He would be easier to beat than Meg if austeros wasn’t there

[hazy dragon]

when the is sus

[strange adder]

lol

[indigo flint]

dead meme

[hazy dragon]

i always feel like pact bull is the second biggest hurdle in the game for me

[indigo flint]

Yeah

Same

You gotta just learn his attack patterns

Even then it’s kinda hard

[timid compass]

I wonder if the npcs you encounter during a run like eurydice and sisyphus have a health bar
like, I know they're permanently invincible
but if you remove that, would they take damage or just ignore it?

[hazy dragon]

i guess they're just models

[strange adder]

the devs probably havent considered that

[hazy dragon]

not things you can fight

[timid compass]

Hades genocide run

[indigo flint]

I mean, ||I know there is a Charon boss fight||

[hazy dragon]

so if they didnt have the shield, nothing would happen

[indigo flint]

I don’t know how to get it but I’ve seen a clip

[strange adder]

uh you just have to get lucky

[hazy dragon]

just be patient eventually you can get it

[indigo flint]

Do you have to beat the game to get it?

[strange adder]

no

[hazy dragon]

what's your definition of beat the game

[timid compass]

I think so
or at least just reach the surface

[indigo flint]

Well not beat the game

[strange adder]

you have to fight him eventually though, part of a quest

[indigo flint]

I mean beat the final boss

[indigo flint]

I’ve reached the surface like over 10 times now

[hazy dragon]

i would think you have to at least meet the final boss for the first time

[indigo flint]

I’m on my 35th run

[hazy dragon]

then i think you're getting there soon

[indigo flint]

I was so close last time tho

[strange adder]

use the shield and abuse the charge

[indigo flint]

I’m so mad

[timid compass]

do you ever enter shops in the middle of a floor? (not the ones before the bosses)

[indigo flint]

Those pots

[indigo flint]

I don’t wanna cheese it tho

[hazy dragon]

i vaguely remember that i was on a similar amount of runs when i got that

[indigo flint]

I kinda wanna earn it

[strange adder]

mm alright

[hazy dragon]

i will enter a shop if there is nothing better in that moment

[glacial star]

@indigo flint the bow is kinda cool

for that

i recommend aspect of hera

[indigo flint]

That’s what I had last round

[strange adder]

hera is the coolest

the bow

[indigo flint]

I died to pots cause of stupid Aphro dash tho

[glacial star]

pots?

[strange adder]

final boss

[indigo flint]

But I had Hera bow, blade rift, and the ares and Artemis duo boon

[glacial star]

what does the acronym stand for tho

[indigo flint]

I was shredding health

[strange adder]

acronym?

[hazy dragon]

is hera not in this game because no one wants to acknowledge how hera hates everybody on olympus

[glacial star]

pots

[indigo flint]

That’s not an acronym

[strange adder]

have you fought the final boss

[indigo flint]

Literally the pots at the final boss

[glacial star]

i have

i dont remember pots

[indigo flint]

Have you beaten him?

[glacial star]

are they a random summon?

yes, multiple times

OHHHH

[strange adder]

probably hasnt happened to him

[glacial star]

THOSE pots

[winter harbor]

Hera at least has a weapon aspect

[strange adder]

yea

[indigo flint]

It yes

The one with the hands

[strange adder]

green

mean

[winter harbor]

It’s a bow decorated with skulls

[hazy dragon]

i've beaten the final boss somewhere between 50-100 pots, there are pots with money that spawn on the surface???

TIMES not pots

[strange adder]

no

[hazy dragon]

now the word pots is stuck in my head

[indigo flint]

no

There isn’t pots in the surface

[glacial star]

||potspotspotspotspots||

[indigo flint]

The fish there are amazing tho

[hazy dragon]

no stooop

[timid slate]

damn

dusa is bae

[indigo flint]

Should I use stubborn defiance or death defiance?

[glacial star]

death

[hazy dragon]

i think death defiance yeah

[indigo flint]

I like stubborn tho it allows for more slipups

[glacial star]

yeah but multiple things that can regen death defiance make it better

[indigo flint]

That’s true

Athena, Patroclus, Charon Well

[glacial star]

that and slip ups should be more concentrated towards the end

[indigo flint]

Yeah

Aight ima use death defiance

[hazy dragon]

death defiance is more versatile and will force you to become better more

yes

[glacial star]

no death defiance is the true gamer way

[indigo flint]

True

God’s pride or god’s legacy?

[manic bobcat]

Stubborn Defiance is good for the ultra late game, but Death Defiance is easier to work with early I think.

[manic bobcat]

Depends on your build.

I flip 50/50 between them

[indigo flint]

I want to say gods pride for now

But at the same time I need a duo boon for my build

So idk

[pliant sparrow]

if u require a duo boon then gods legacy ofc

[manic bobcat]

It's a hard question to answer :D

[pliant sparrow]

its only when you dont * need * a duo boon gods pride

[timid slate]

guy guys

[indigo flint]

Ima use gods legacy and if I wanna switch I’ll just use a key

[manic bobcat]

I guess having duos and legendaries are more ... exciting?

[timid slate]

olymnpan favour or dark foresight?

i feel the favour is better

[manic bobcat]

But in term of effectiveness it depends

[pliant sparrow]

dark foresight is way bettr

[manic bobcat]

Dark Foresight is low key OP for the late game.

But if you are starting out

And need resources

Go Favor

[pliant sparrow]

you get way more boons, poms, etc in a run , which is way better than an increased chance for rare boons

[timid slate]

i like having shiny boons ;o

[burnt breach]

anyone got a quality of life feature request?

[timid slate]

and epics vs legendary / duo

why too many options

eff

curently im stuck with epics

[manic bobcat]

It also makes your meta progression slower with Foresight

[burnt breach]

otherwise I'll just update pony qol with what I've added the last two days

[manic bobcat]

My opinion is that pick Favor starting out, then switch to Foresight if the game gets too difficult

[timid slate]

welp finished the story after 26 hours

not even sure if i was speedy but i had fun

time to grind all de aspects

[pliant sparrow]

id go legendary/duo to start out tbh, duo boons are pretty powerful if you have a specific build in mind

and epic boons arent really necessary early game

[burnt breach]

well I'll take that as a no then

[timid slate]

im trying to do a dodge run

with zag fists

is there any duo boons to help me?

[manic bobcat]

I think you are just asking at a wrong moment right now :D

[pliant sparrow]

no, but the duo boon for mirror is still a good solid investment early game

[burnt breach]

maybe, but I also didn't find anything by searching for 'wish' in #h1-discussion and #h1-for-new-players

[manic bobcat]

A combination of stuff. Such as Second Wind and Smoldering Air with a good Call.

[burnt breach]

so I'm just gonna push what I've added

[manic bobcat]

Yeah. I'll try to look out for anything people "want" that you didn't see.

[pliant sparrow]

i wish heat pacts remained different per different weapons

eg. you switch to fists, you check heat pacts and its 10 heat

you swap to sword, maybe you're better at them and its 30 heat

[burnt breach]

@pliant sparrow I've added a reset button to the pact if it helps

[pliant sparrow]

yah but still its a pain to have to remember what pacts you did when increasing the heat suddenly

[stark onyx]

gonna try a 40 heat run, wish me luck guys!!

[burnt breach]

not a bad idea

[burnt breach]

good luck

[brisk trail]

Good luck x2

May you have good rng

[manic bobcat]

While you are on it, make it a "profile" with mirror settings, too

[burnt breach]

the idea has become a lot more complex

I'll see what I can do, it sounds interesting

[brisk trail]

Is there already a thing to show enemy hp in numbers?

[burnt breach]

it's one of the feature I'm adding in this new update, but only for bosses

[brisk trail]

Nice

[burnt breach]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/720480824016764928/791686270400462928/unknown.png

example

[distant night]

👀

[burnt breach]

I can also add it for regular enemies but I need to make a user config before I add more controversial features like that

[deep pivot]

This channel is for discussion on official stuff in the game. For discussions about mods and that stuff, please head over to the pertinent space

[burnt breach]

is there no channel at all where it can be discussed?

[deep pivot]

Your server, duh hehe!

[burnt breach]

well yes but I meant here

[deep pivot]

Hm... not entirely sure about that. It kind of falls into #self-promotion since you are promoting your mod, but that channel is not meant for discussions so it's tricky.

[distant night]

advertisement

[timid slate]

aris cast + duo from arti = most op cast ever

[deep pivot]

I'd say, advertise your mod in #self-promotion and invite people to discuss about it over there 🙂

[burnt breach]

problematic

[distant night]

but how else will pony confuse the people :c

[burnt breach]

while that's funny the main reason I ask stuff here is because of the sheer number of players available

if I ask something it usually gets answered in a minute or less

[hexed smelt]

be that as it may, we'd rather avoid too much discussion of modded content here to avoid people confusing it with the actual game's content

[burnt breach]

Yeah I'll respect your rules but it's a little problematic. Would it be acceptable in #h1-builds-and-combat ?

[hushed pumice]

There should be a mod channel tbh

[timid slate]

ok,

i got

ideal ares cast run

[burnt breach]

The developers were against it which led to the modding server

[hushed pumice]

Looking at the list, I'd say it falls under... Video games, or Hades Discussion. But that's just me

[timid slate]

Aris cast + vicious cycle + arti duo

gg

[hushed pumice]

If dev word is no, then I think that's the end of the conversation

[distant night]

ngl having a channel for "older players" would also be nice

[timid slate]

yes

YES

spoiler free channel

ugh

[distant night]

sure, helping newbies along is nice but most talk about lategame is forces into builds and story channels

and those are pretty specific about what we can and cant gush about

[hexed smelt]

Technically that's the purpose of #h1-story-discussion and #h1-builds-and-combat. Having a third channel seems a little redundant in my opinion, though obviously I don't and can't speak for everyone on this.

[distant night]

i guess thats why most tend to talk in their own servers which is understandable but being part of 3 servers for it is hard

[distant night]

i just said why i didnt consider those the late game player channels
ft the fact that many new players also go into them to get better at the game even if they just started out because they want to know the best build immediately

but thats just what i've seen over the last months

[glacial star]

isnt it also redundant to have spoiler free channel AND hades for new players channel?

[stark onyx]

gettin screwed over by hammers greater consecration is ok but piercing wave,,huogh

[distant night]

well if you mean this channel as the spoiler free one, it's more like a overall hades channel? just be considerate for the newcommers?

[narrow hemlock]

not really. it's a courtesy move. not everyone knows how to navigate on discord, not everyone is going to realize right away what channels serve what purpose

[glacial star]

true i guess

really wish i could ask the devs for reading material on greek mythology

they must have read a lot

[distant night]

what interests you the most?

[glacial star]

The stories i guess, like the minotaur labyrinth, icarus's escape, etc

[pliant sparrow]

from what ive heard song of archilles is a really good book

[calm bone]

Is ||Hades|| the final boss or do you ever get to fight ||demeter||?

[pliant sparrow]

the first

[distant night]

Gods and Heroes: Myths and Epics of Ancient Greece (ISBN 9780394734026) by gustav schwab has two of the bigger myths together with lots of little ones for the start?

[glacial star]

people recommend the odyssey a lot

[warped iron]

re: modded content here. yeah I see why it's not allowed but also there's like 4 active people on the modded server or something

😩

[calm bone]

seems like ||Demeter|| is the main antagonist of the entire story and Hades and Zeues needs to keep secrets because of her and the fact that its literally always snowing is because of her and she's probably killing a lot of mortals, seems like you should eventually fight her

[lost osprey]

you dotn fight demeter

dont*

[pliant sparrow]

why not finish the story and find out who the main antagonist is

[lost osprey]

also

[narrow hemlock]

there's countless sources so it depends on what you're looking for. if you browse through dev answers in #ask-supergiant greg has mentioned becoming familiar with works from ovid, hesiod, aeschylus and so on in researching for hades. diving in these works may be a bit intimidating initially though, but a good starting point i find is checking theoi, as they reference all these works and more. the only reason i dont mention homer is because most people have at least heard of the iliad and the odyssey lol

[lost osprey]

yeah listen to everyone

[distant night]

actually ||hades and the furies|| are the keepers of the underworld, you dont fight an anthagonist but you fight those that try to keep people from leaving the underworld (||demeter|| is just an overworld goddess and she has no reign over the area you try to flee whatsoever)

[pliant sparrow]

id argue that a certain person is the antagonist

[timid slate]

its goddamn weird how an arti duo boon turns aris cast from most crappy cast to most op

[distant night]

dont say ||tiny vermin||

[timid slate]

uggh

[pliant sparrow]

||zeus||

[kind skiff]

Poison damage is the antagonist

[pliant sparrow]

||nah seriously he caused the whole thing by kidnapping persephone||

[distant night]

get the keepsake by the elysium npc

[timid slate]

we have the curse of spoiler here

[distant night]

it's not a curse

[pliant sparrow]

so dont click on spoilers

[distant night]

were you a new player you'd be greatful

since you apparently arent, just be respectful

[south kestrel]

It's solo tempting to click tho x)

[timid slate]

aaaa D:

[pliant sparrow]

when we're clearly discussing end game stuff

[timid slate]

i have 30 hours ;-;

[south kestrel]

Soo*

[timid slate]

and finished da story

26 actually xD

[distant night]

the whole story?

[timid slate]

yeah

xD

[distant night]

all ||10|| required wins and the epilogue?

dont call her that.

[timid slate]

._. im joking dude

chill haha

[distant night]

sure

[timid slate]

i mean ye now im working as an agent

|| hades escape service ||

last run , posi daddy bestowed me with fishing boon

thus i hunted 3 fishies

yummi is proud of me

does dark foresight can increase my upgrades

from 2 to 3 or even 4?

it says u get chance for good stuff including hammers

[distant night]

it increses the possibility of getting gold laurel rewards which arent permanent but only useful for the run
idk what you mean with "upgrades" since hammers (and hermes boons) are limited to max 2 and 3 only with the amboss in the ||styx market||

[timid slate]

aaaaaa

i didnt knew

i thought u could get more hammers

[distant night]

sadly not

[timid slate]

there is this anvil in last room

trade 1 hammer for 2 randoms

is it worth using?

[distant night]

only when you dislike the two you got

or if you dont care for them

[timid slate]

ah alright

[nocturne ginkgo]

I usually get it because I love daedulus

Then it hits me back

One run with the gun...I was a speedy boi because Hermes but the seeking arrow buff I got from the start was basically auto correcting me from missing due to high speed

[indigo flint]

I never get the anvil when I need it

[nocturne ginkgo]

I also had a daedulus buff that made me shoot the mortar shot 3 times in a row

I wanted the anvil to get rid of that

instead, it got rid of the seeking arrows

....fighting the last boss was a lot harder

[stark onyx]

oh my god did we get new patty voicelines

[lost osprey]

OO

I JUST ROBBED ||CHARON ON ACCIDENT||

and his theme is an absolute vibe

[stark onyx]

ITS SO GOOD

[lost osprey]

holy crap the fight is giving me an undertale type of bullet hell vibe

||paddled|| to death

[distant night]

BONK

[lost osprey]

bonk

[topaz hemlock]

yknow i really wish hades had more customization

so maybe making zagreus look different

[pliant sparrow]

they cant

they handdrew all character animations

[brisk trail]

Zagreus skin dlc

[manic bobcat]

Unlikely to happen due to logistical constraints.

[brisk trail]

Oh yeah, my pfp rn is zagreus but aphro-themed

[topaz hemlock]

or skins for him atleast

[brisk trail]

Pink boi

[pliant sparrow]

they literally cant make any skins

for each weapon, there are unique drawn animations

[narrow hemlock]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1145360/discussions/0/1864993755183591660/#c1864993755185620425

[manic bobcat]

Damn

[narrow hemlock]

LOL fox

[manic bobcat]

Too fast too furious for me xD

[narrow hemlock]

you tried, i appreciate it

[topaz hemlock]

how do i get hades role

[brisk trail]

#bot-commands

[manic bobcat]

You need to clear 62 heat.

Then submit it to the mods

[brisk trail]

62 is a cakewalk

Try 64

[void vigil]

why 62? did someone get 61 while i wasnt looking?

[manic bobcat]

We don't want to gatekeep roles in this server

[brisk trail]

Maybe tail is grinding it as we speak

[manic bobcat]

No because the last hurdle is RI3/4 which is 2 heat each.

The odd heat config exists of course but likely people will just take the RI3 next.

So likely we jump from 60 to 62.

[wild schooner]

Is it possible to get multiple revenge effects?

[topaz hemlock]

which is the best item gotten from nectar gifting

[narrow hemlock]

yes

[tender oxide]

Depends on your play style

If I were you I’d just gift nectar to as many people as you can and experiment with the keepsakes

[brisk trail]

I think cerberus's or skelly's are the best very early on

[twilit bridge]

oh yeah definitely

[brisk trail]

But you should try to give a nectar to each character, yes

[topaz hemlock]

skelly's is the one i have rn

[tender oxide]

Cerberus’s was my go-to when I was starting out

[topaz hemlock]

it gives u a death defiance lmao

[brisk trail]

Skelly is good for when you don't have full DDs yet

[tender oxide]

I have death defiances maxed out so I don’t need Skelly’s

[brisk trail]

After that cerby gives more value imo

[lost osprey]

i love cerbers

[tender oxide]

I don’t really use Cerberus’s anymore though now that I’m more skilled

[brisk trail]

It's a good early pick

[twilit bridge]

yeah but early on wo thick skin maxed cerby is grea

great

[brisk trail]

The meta is god > god > acorn/spear

[tender oxide]

I’ve found it’s better to ensure that you’ll get a boon from a certain god to build on

[stark onyx]

skelly is good once you dont use hard labor

[lost osprey]

acorn?

[brisk trail]

Yeah, but at first you won't have access to the god keepsakes or perhaps the other two

[tender oxide]

I don’t remember who gives acorn but it makes you impervious to 3, 4, or 5 hits during the boss depending on what level it is

[brisk trail]

|| Eurydice ||

[keen scarab]

I think Ares is one of the better ones since doom can carry you on pretty much any weapon, Athena is also good since well Athena, Acorn is really good too

[tender oxide]

It’s really good for the last 2 floors

[twilit bridge]

for elysium yeah

for|| hades|| i still usually take skelly

[tender oxide]

I use Artemis on the first floor because I like to get attack crit with the shield

[twilit bridge]

ill try that next actually

[topaz hemlock]

whats the best weapon

dont say "depends on playstyle"

give me the hard truth

[brisk trail]

No such thing lol

[topaz hemlock]

bruh

[brisk trail]

It really is preferential.

[tender oxide]

On the second floor I use Cerberus’s keepsake because lava is a pain

[lost osprey]

||whats cerberuses ambrosia reward||

[topaz hemlock]

which is the best in terms of speed and damage

[tender oxide]

I use shield because it can block damage but that’s just my preference

[brisk trail]

The weapons are more or less balanced sooo

Fists and rail go fast

[tender oxide]

I think either railgun or fist

[topaz hemlock]

wtf is railgun

[twilit bridge]

fist probably

[topaz hemlock]

oh u mean the machine gun

[timid slate]

rails <3

[topaz hemlock]

thats not a railgun lmao a rail gun shoots a big ray that just does a bunch of damage lel

[timid slate]

masterrace

[keen scarab]

I think the adamant rail is good since you get range

[twilit bridge]

fist is overpowered early at least for me

[brisk trail]

It's called the adamant rail ingame lol

[timid slate]

rail is insane end game

all special upgrade is just mad

x5 rockets

u stick closer to end boss and see the huge chunks of dmg

[lost osprey]

an actual railgun would just be something that shoots a object incredibly fast

[twilit bridge]

ive seen ppl love on rail before, i just dont get it

[brisk trail]

Eris is easy ||heat||

[timid slate]

rail before the rocket upgrade is bad

[tender oxide]

I tried using hidden aspect shield and it is painfully slow

[timid slate]

after rocket upgrade its mad

[kind skiff]

Ive been using stygius for so long that thebother weapons feel off whenever I try to use them

[topaz hemlock]

is doom good?

[tender oxide]

Yes

[brisk trail]

Depends

[topaz hemlock]

not the game the effect

[timid slate]

doom great on special builds

[twilit bridge]

shield is best w ||zeus||

[winter harbor]

Hidden shield can chunk a lot

[topaz hemlock]

both the hgame and effect are gud

[brisk trail]

Weapons have different optimal builds

Merciful End is very good

[twilit bridge]

welp its kinda slow on the dmg

[brisk trail]

Doom is meh otherwise to me

[tender oxide]

That’s what I use. A lot of people say ||chaos|| is better but I prefer ||zeus||

[brisk trail]

I've been trying it on Chiron though for since I saw a player clearing high heat with it

[twilit bridge]

if u can get close and throw ur whole special on someone i guess ?

[brisk trail]

For the DC

[timid slate]

i like doom with bow special

[tender oxide]

I like getting Zeus’s special boon with aspect of ||zeus|| shield because it makes it melt away enemies even faster

[wild schooner]

Can i just say, that i hate discords reply feature

[tender oxide]

Although Athena’s boon is also really good on it for defense

[kind skiff]

What do you guys think the best cast is?

[brisk trail]

Merciful end is bonkers on zeus

[tender oxide]

Athena

[brisk trail]

But zeus is a lot easier to build

[wild schooner]

I am quite partial to ares cast @kind skiff

[brisk trail]

My fave cast is dio's

[twilit bridge]

cast is either ares or ||demeter||

[tender oxide]

I like most of them though

[wild schooner]

Not a huge fan of dio unless its on hera

[tender oxide]

||demeter’s|| cast sucks imo