Zag
#h1-discussion
bright nymph
ok thanks
delicate cobalt
zeus is ok
brisk trail
i like zeus
delicate cobalt
for elisium
brisk trail
shield go brr
warped atlas
does anyone have a recommendation of an aspect for the bow?
meager reef
warped atlas
okay, i read on the wiki but i still dont really understand what ||rama|| does
delicate cobalt
with the special it shoots arrows that spread a lot
brisk trail
gotta spoiler tag hidden aspect names here
delicate cobalt
sorry
brisk trail
it's cool
warped atlas
yeah me too, i forgot
delicate cobalt
then after hitting them they share atack damage
warped atlas
so i dont often use the bow but im sure it would be helpful to have an aspect
meager reef
||rama basically adds % damage on every one target you mark. so when you hit a unit with a mark, all units with a mark take % damage according to the damage you dealt to the one target||
brisk trail
chiron is pretty easy to use
and powerful
hidden is a bit trickier to use i think
no opinions on hera
delicate cobalt
and powerful
dionysus in special is very good
warped atlas
||okay so how do i mark with rama, is it the special's arrows?||
meager reef
correct
warped atlas
okay, i dont even have ||guan yu|| yet but i will probably work on that for now
delicate cobalt
just keep playing
warped atlas
yeah, i already beat the game, im just finishing relationships and upgrading things
meager reef
delicate cobalt
yeah beating it is not that difficult
alpine yacht
200 or so clears and I'm still not done buying everything, it's GOOD to be back to this game after 1.0 xD
warped atlas
yeah, im sure it will take me a bit, but i really enjoy the game and its well worth the time
heady oriole
it's quite fun
delicate cobalt
I' ve played 152 hs in a month and a half
heady oriole
especially mix boons
overall played 92.6 hours
and i already 100% achieve the game
meager reef
delicate cobalt
me too
heady oriole
eiiiii
warped atlas
im not counting on the duo boons being easy
delicate cobalt
the achivements are not that hard
brisk trail
what about duo boons?
warped atlas
usually if i dont want to use a keepsake i just equip it for tartarus or maybe asphodel
meager reef
||gods' legacy = ez duo boon||
delicate cobalt
Just try only picking the gods for the duos
delicate cobalt
demeter ones were a pain to get
brisk trail
i've been pushing heat so no opportunities to equip random keepsakes
maybe will grind for them soon
tfw i've never gotten demeter's legendary
delicate cobalt
what was it?
brisk trail
killing freeze
heady oriole
think it's 10% HP = instant death
delicate cobalt
I don't pick her hardly ever
heady oriole
the most boon i use is artemis
brisk trail
that and aphro
delicate cobalt
or athena at the beginning
delicate cobalt
have you ever tried lucifer with artemis
heady oriole
Lucifer is meh
delicate cobalt
and one of the hammer that increases the damage and gg
brisk trail
Lucifer is very fun.
heady oriole
the wind up irks meh
me*
especially i wanna go fast
but lucifer goes well with zeus
heady oriole
gonna try artemis lucifer soon
delicate cobalt
don't know for high heat
brisk trail
Flash Fire helps the most with that, Megapot.
heady oriole
flash fire? that's from daedalus hammer?
brisk trail
Yup.
lone kernel
have you ever tried lucifer with artemis
Yeah, wasn’t strong enough for dad
A critical is per individual Lucifer shot so it works out to be like attack gets 30 percent stronger
delicate cobalt
I had a chaos 70%+ damage
lone kernel
I can’t make Lucifer work without sea storm though so open to tips
warped atlas
||so the wiki says that to unlock aspect of guan yu you have to "Invest Titan Blood into 5 separate non-Zagreus aspects" does it just mean into any other than zagreus?||
lone kernel
That would help haha
heady oriole
Wonder if the game gets an expansion soon
delicate cobalt
no
warped atlas
okay
waxen juniper
I can’t make Lucifer work without sea storm though so open to tips
You can go super soaker. It's a super fun build. Just get splash attack and pray you also get rupture.
delicate cobalt
||so the wiki says that to unlock aspect of guan yu you have to "Invest Titan Bl...
I think so
I got it without knowing
warped atlas
okay i was confused by the fact that it says "5 seperate"
delicate cobalt
talk to everyone that has a ! on them
heady oriole
Realize i never give much care about poseidon boons
Except increase darkness gems and coins
waxen juniper
Poseidon can be beastly
heady oriole
And sunken treasure
waxen juniper
Zeus is the one that feels a bit meh. He's great for clearing fields of enemies, but he doesn't really help deal with tanky bosses
delicate cobalt
sometimes when i think a god is not that good i play a run only from their boons
waxen juniper
sometimes when i think a god is not that good i play a run only from their boons
Yea, they are all very strong.
delicate cobalt
zeus dash + bigger lightnings+ chance to double lightning + jolted ez gg
vey late game but melts
waxen juniper
Ohhh.... double strike is good! Perhaps I'm not giving zeus enough credit
I made that mistake with Poseidon recently. I learned quickly :p
delicate cobalt
does anyone how to use the spear -25% dash hammer
waxen juniper
What was the plus side for it?
brisk trail
Hits 3 times.
waxen juniper
Oh my god! Well, Artemis' dash strike for one!
brisk trail
Aspect of Hades and ||Guan Yu|| do that well, but you need to watch out for HP on the latter.
I hate the reduced dash range so much
Yeah, it's really tough to get used to.
delicate cobalt
yeah
brisk trail
I know it's objectively amazing but I can't vibe with it
brisk trail
oh if a chaos boon has reduced dash range I don't bat an eye bc it's only like 3 rooms
but for the whole rest of the run?
delicate cobalt
only if you have a hermes dash
opaque nexus
you talking about serrated?
brisk trail
yeah
opaque nexus
I like serrated but maybe not at high heat
your attack is very valuable on achilles for example
delicate cobalt
only if you have a hermes dash
the ones that add you dashes or make you 100%+ faster after dashing
opaque nexus
I would still rather have flurry jab on achilles though
it is quite strong on hidden spear
opaque nexus
idk what to say other than you will learn how to use the new dash timings as time goes on
delicate cobalt
I don't know if it is worth it
opaque nexus
it is
delicate cobalt
Rather have the spear throw
opaque nexus
it is high risk high reward
brisk trail
maybe
opal magnet
i haven't seen him in a buncha runs
opal magnet
RIP zag
waxen juniper
Nah, he's been alive the whole time
brisk trail
well he's died over and over
opal magnet
"people die when they are killed"
nimble bolt
cong
waxen juniper
I've done it a few times when the run is trash
Wait... Did you break the || pact between orpheus and eurydice||?
opal magnet
no
waxen juniper
Hmmm. What is your reasoning for trying to find him?
nimble bolt
anywhere else can i spend my keys except unlocking talents??
waxen juniper
Well, the 6 weapons. But if you've done all that, keys are mainly used to trade with the broker
nimble bolt
broker?
waxen juniper
In the lounge
lone sinew
Sry that it took me so many hours to answer. I was sleeping. I got it around 90-100 hours
meager reef
= 5 keys
waxen juniper
@nimble bolt Yep! When you start winning more, there is a very nice trade engine going on.
nimble bolt
what is fated list of minor prophecies?
waxen juniper
You're gonna have to see for yourself
waxen juniper
I am saying that because it is something you can get very early on. Trust me, it is worth it
lone sinew
Get it its really useful
waxen juniper
It's okay. Just realize if you can figure something out on your own in about 5 seconds after you ask, it may be worth just doing it to see what happens
nimble bolt
hahahha maybe i just wanna save my gemstones instead of using it abusivelyu?
waxen juniper
Work orders are usually a go to for buying
opal magnet
Wait... Did you break the || pact between orpheus and eurydice||?
yeah Orpheus is alive
cuz he aint anywhere in the underworld
cloud hound
So any word on the cross-saves patch?
brisk trail
still no ETA #hades-faq
bright nymph
I have escaped with all the weapons 
waxen juniper
What's some advice on a merciful end build? I've never done it before and I would certainly like to
empty flame
A general guideline is Ares keepsake in Tartarus and grab Ares Attack, try to look for Athena in Tartarus, grabbing her keepsake in Asphodel is she doesn't show up, grabbing Athena Special, then searching for Merciful on Ares/Athena then Divine Dash on Athena
waxen juniper
Ohhhh, divine dash!
empty flame
Divine dash is usually the choice for most builds to proc ME, for example with ME on fists, your special comes out pretty slowly and is very vulnerable, hence the combo of attack dash attack dash on ME to apply Doom then proc ME with dash
there's Zeus Aspect Shield as well, but there are players here more knowledgable about Zeus Aspect ME
waxen juniper
I currently am using sword. I just got merciful end. And I will search for divine dash, but the special is doing just fine so far
empty flame
you should be fine, also Divine Dash just helps makes things way smoother overall
waxen juniper
The good news is that I did get an epic doom stacking boon.
Now if we can get the longer doom but more damage, then we are in business
empty flame
Impending Doom even on common is pretty big damage increase, and Doom scales well with poms
waxen juniper
Okay cool! What's your thoughts on curse of drowning. I just got it
pliant sparrow
worse than ME
empty flame
I haven't touched cast builds a lot so I can't say
pliant sparrow
wait hm longing
empty flame
then again ME is like of those duos you build around on, so it's considerably less powerful than Drowning
pliant sparrow
usually cast builds do dionysus or aphro
empty flame
if you see Flood Shot you go for Blizzard or Mirage Shot I think
waxen juniper
I mean, curse of drowning has been doing good so far
empty flame
Haven't really touched Curse of Drowning but if it works fine it should be more than fine hahaha
lone sinew
afrer a quick research i think it's an easy mode
lone sinew
yeah
i thought it was gonna be a harder one :(((
God Mode grants 20% damage resistance, increasing by 2% each time a run ends in death
the damage resistance caps at 80%
I see...
waxen juniper
So... Styx and Theseus did not go well. All I have is one death defiance and 3/4 of my health left.
We can only hope I can beat the final boss
waxen juniper
No I can't. Just hit phase 2 and I just have 18 health left. I need to make 0 mistakes
heady oriole
well it was nice knowing you
pliant sparrow
F
waxen juniper
The good news is I got the last two duos for the prophecy. :D
lone sinew
:((
waxen juniper
It's okay, because I just got 15 ambrosia
waxen juniper
I mean... Haelian enjoys the game I'd say
heady oriole
Maximilian_dood too
after many many many requrest
he finally play hades
with the cost of dropping cyberpunk 2077
waxen juniper
Ah, I see what ya mean. Well, we'll see if he decides to stick around
waxen juniper
with the cost of dropping cyberpunk 2077
Trust me, that's not a bad decision until patches come out
heady oriole
Trust me, that's not a bad decision until patches come out
patches for current consoles
yeah RIP that
waxen juniper
I mean, Cyberpunk has so many bugs. I've heard the game is fantastic otherwise, but it'd be best to wait for the bug fixes.
heady oriole
give it a year and they will fix it
never got the appeal especially it's an FPS game
waxen juniper
F me! Okay, so I have a chaos gate, a pomegranate erebus gate, and a hammer being offered in the same bloody room.
What do I choose?
All 3 of them have a significant impact on my run. I don't know what to do!
waxen juniper
I took the erebus gate and I do not regret it ome bit
My run just started and I got to upgrade flood shot twice. Seemed worth it to me!
heady oriole
Poseidon boon cool
brisk trail
I am going back to playing Hades AGAIN, after a week's break or so!!
God Help me please! xD
rapid forum
thanks for the heads up
heady oriole
Anytime
manic basin
i am quite bad but i am getting so close to finally beating my first run
rapid forum
believe in me that believes in you
alpine yacht
I am going back to playing Hades AGAIN, after a week's break or so!!
God Help me...
Gods* help you
gaunt sorrel
We should get a hades char in smash
But not zagreus since he would be to similar to byleth with the weapon switch
But like the furies, than or theseus and asterius would be very cool.
bright nymph
||Hydra|| too ez to kill
||Dusa|| for smash instead
granite ether
||Dusa|| to stronk
||Bouldy|| for smash instead
rapid forum
||bouldy|| rocks way too much
||Skelly|| for smash instead
gaunt sorrel
||skelly|| made out of weak lime
||Asterius and theseus|| for smash instead
languid plover
Does damage tick/dot charge Call gauge faster than damage amount?
I remember with Dio's poison & Support Fire... God Call's gauge charge so fast than hard hitting critical 4th Sword or 4th Fist
heady oriole
||Zagreus in Guilty Gear Please||
carmine shuttle
is there any way to download the ding sound that plays when you get to a fishing spot, i'd really love to have it as my notification sound on my phone
yeah, i think it'd be really cool, because it's not a noticeable sound, but it's just a cool little thing that only a few people would notice
lime belfry
Which is the channel for balance/bugs?
granite ether
if you're playing on pc you can report bugs by pressing 
in game
if you're playing on switch, detail the bug in #h1-tech-support (and specify you're playing the switch version) @lime belfry
lime belfry
Much appreciated, @granite ether
granite ether
no worries 
tired sundial
I haven't seen dionysus in a few runs and I'm devastated
brisk trail
plush citrus
i always thought that means you cleared some story stuff while you were there
brisk trail
According to the wiki: ||Cleared story rooms (exclamation marks) in Tartarus, Asphodel, and Elysium||
cedar imp
oh
heady oriole
The Real Hades campaign is the friends we made along the way.
cobalt lava
cedar imp
why is it
rancid vapor
barely made it to elysium, Patroclus = +4 dd 
I thought I was done for
after that trial took my skelly tooth lol
cedar imp
oh, i thought there were other reasons
faint flint
how are they consumed
royal moss
is your game supposed to end when your timer runs out?
royal moss
oh
rancid vapor
couldn't find a single DD or healing item in all of styx and run died T_T
+60% enemy damage and -25% hp is too hard for me
brisk trail
what heat level are you trying for?
rancid vapor
20
it's too much of a hit to my hp bar with these configurations so I turned down the damage and health penalty and gave them movement speed and damage
brisk trail
EM and TD are good heat if you don't have those yet
rancid vapor
+20% damage and move speed is less bad than +60% damage and me having -25% hp
I'm at EM1 right now, and TD2
but I have lots of room to improve, still need to start using the trinkets?
the summoning items
brisk trail
companions?
those can be a timesaver, yeah
have you tried EM3? that should be 5 more heat
green maple
theres also FO..?
rancid vapor
Yes, that's what I meant. forced overtime level 1
vivid wolf
I'd recommend not using HL, as you'll make boss encounters and the like much harder for yourself
JS is generally better IMO
brisk trail
I would take HL before taking JS
vivid wolf
Better not make any mistakes on Hades
rancid vapor
my mistake on hades was to get to him with 0 DD and half hp
he did me in at 20% of his final health bar or something
the traps are more deadly than anything to me lol
brisk trail
HS?
rancid vapor
yes
brisk trail
I don't think it's worth a heat point at that level
rancid vapor
I'm starting to think that too
weary widget
Avoid HS. TD2 is free. EM 2 if melee, 3 if ranged. DC if you have a way to get rid of them quickly.
MM if you don't combo it with deadly pacts and have summons
rancid vapor
Thanks for the advice!
rancid vapor
oh no, bounties stop at 20 heat, rip
now I need to learn how to use something else to win with lol
brisk trail
Is HS Higher Security? The one that makes traps super painful?
empty flame
yup
rancid vapor
tight deadline 3 (5 min) is too harsh for me if I increase the number of enemies, not even to mention increasing HP of everything is a very bad idea
empty flame
it's a trap heat from what others say, 1 heat for all that damage from lava, arrows and ||dad's urns||
rancid vapor
high securty + lasting consequences = you'll never go for 100 to 0 faster
brisk trail
LC4 pairs really well with stubborn defiance
although it's not recommended until 32 heat (and even then, it's still up to preference)
rancid vapor
I've seen it. The playstyle is very different. At that point you have to be good enough to almost never get hit
I do have a question, though
The hard labour increases damage taken by 20/40/60%
is that additive with damage reduction effects from boons and other sources?
brisk trail
damage reduction isn't additive, if that's what you're asking
rancid vapor
Let's say I use hard labour 2, which is +40% damage dealt by everything. I apply Aphrodite's curse for -30% damage dealt. Do they end up at 110% of base damage, or less?
brisk trail
I'm ok with HR personnally, I rarely get hit by the traps and I'm good at avoiding the ||urns||
brisk trail
Let's say I use hard labour 2, which is +40% damage dealt by everything. I apply...
the damage calculation is:
Damage = Base Damage
× (1 + Sum of Critical Damage Bonus)
× (1 + Sum of Regular Damage Bonuses)
× (Product of (1 - Damage Reductions))
so i think it should be less
someone correct me if im wrong tho
void ginkgo
I'm ok with HR personnally, I rarely get hit by the traps and I'm good at avoidi...
I"m good at avoiding traps for the most part too. If you run into one though, you get really upset at yourself 😛
I hate when I get tunnel vision on the Meg fight though and I miss the traps
brisk trail
I love the traps when I'm against Alecto
You know when she starts going after you rolling like a ball? I just dash around the trap and she takes every single spikes lmao
More than once she ended up dying on those
scenic crescent
I came here to riot since hades didn't win anything at the game awards
This is all rigged
brisk trail
I came here to riot since hades didn't win anything at the game awards
wym
it won two
scenic crescent
It did ?
brisk trail
best action and indie
scenic crescent
I was about to slap em with my 900h of playtime
And call for a recount
Since this is the only platformer that made me happy since binding of Isaac
rancid vapor
4.5 minute fight against the final boss with extreme measures 4 
carmine ravine
kek wot
quiet gull
4.5 minute fight against the final boss with extreme measures 4 <:shadefear:5204...
sounds like you have severe dps issues
rancid vapor
@quiet gull yeah I just try to stay safe, first time I tried extreme measures... and I went straight to level 4
rancid vapor
right
wintry spire
7.8 hrs into the game.. first escape.. this game is epic. any big updates planned?
rapid mantle
Had a long drive this weekend. Took that opportunity to listen to the sound track twice. It holds up by itself, but what really impresses me is how they designed it into the game. I already knew that pausing the game made it feel like you were hearing the music from the other room, but I neglected to notice how all the music drops to the bass when a room is beaten.
rancid vapor
1st hammer: Upgrades A, B, C. I pick A. Is it still possible to see B and C on later hammers?
quiet gull
I think no, but am not certain
prisma wind
1st hammer: Upgrades A, B, C. I pick A. Is it still possible to see B and C on l...
Yes, unless they are mutually exclusive (some hammers can't work together)
rancid vapor
Thanks!
hard stag
I can't seem to git gud
I can't beat Hades, I've never escaped 😦 I am super stuck there. Any tips?
quiet gull
How many attempts do you have?
rustic valve
Don't forget to try out God Mode - the game is meant to be beatable by everyone and there's nothing wrong with using that 🙂
zealous fiber
Use the rail
Fish for artemis special, for daedalus hammer fish for the triple special barrage or the big boom hammer upgrade
And then proceed to whoop some ass
manic bobcat
whats up?
cedar marlin
ok so I just started the game
I want to know more about the doors
What should I pick and what should I not
I now have 2 choices
manic bobcat
vivid wolf
lul
cedar marlin
i have centaur heart and pom of poweer
manic bobcat
So pow makes you more powerful, heart gives health
which one is up to you. there is no right choice here
manic bobcat
starting out I would probably go health so I have more health to explore
cedar marlin
Yeah I was gonna go for health
manic bobcat
but eventually you need more power ups to win, instead of just playing not to lose
cedar marlin
Alright man thanks appreciate it
manic bobcat
yeah
balmy valley
Still trying to do my first escape, anybody know which aspect would help me that in the easiest way?
vivid wolf
Eris maybe
quiet gull
It's just a matter of which one you get used to first
manic bobcat
Still trying to do my first escape, anybody know which aspect would help me that...
Yeah, the one you are good at. Though you can cheese the game with Shield block or Rail with Triple Bomb
quiet gull
Eris requires a bit of blood investment to be very good, not something I would recommend for someone who cant even beat the game once
manic bobcat
Just pick any rail + triple bomb + Deadly Flourish
vivid wolf
^
manic bobcat
You kinda need Triple Bomb though
quiet gull
Or just cluster rocket
vivid wolf
That's how I got my first clear
balmy valley
Thanks guys
manic bobcat
Or just cluster rocket
sure, but that's 2 hammers. Rail + Triple Bomb and spam special is easier to achieve. But if you get Cluster Bomb + Rocket Bomb combo then even more power to you.
earnest coral
Hello I am new here, I entered the server to ask a question about a possible bug in the game, where should I ask?
manic bobcat
earnest coral
ty
earnest coral
Zagreuses?
opaque nexus
Zagrei?
earnest coral
Zags?
opaque nexus
like nucleus/nuclei
limber geyser
i was thinking Zagreii for some reason but Zagrei is probably it
opaque nexus
maybe it's like moose where it doesn't change
earnest coral
a lot of zagreus
quiet gull
Zagroi
manic bobcat
a bag of Zagreus
quiet gull
This is greek, not latin
limber geyser
zagroi rhymes with boy, i can hear hades saying it
earnest coral
does zagreus die or just teleport
pliant sparrow
he floats down da river
earnest coral
he sleeps
upbeat sigil
Here's a question, what would a group of zagreuses be called
brisk trail
zagrei
upbeat sigil
Like how a group of lions is a pride, or a group of crows is a murder
limber geyser
yeah i asked just above 🙂
earnest coral
Here's a question, what would a group of zagreuses be called
dead gang
manic bobcat
Or monkeys is a troup
Heard it was a Congress
manic bobcat
I'm don't mean the plural
that's what Brain meant though
upbeat sigil
Might depend on the type of money
brisk trail
that's owls
limber geyser
a splatter of Zagrei?
or a river of Zagroi
brisk trail
wait a group of owels is called a parliament lol
upbeat sigil
My bad, I wasn't looking closely
manic bobcat
that's owls
it's a joke on Congress members being a group of monkeys
upbeat sigil
Didn't mean to repeat
limber geyser
its cool i think its a good topic
limber geyser
maybe it's like crows, a murder of zagroi
upbeat sigil
Honestly, I find the spelling owels extremely entertaining
limber geyser
tisiphone thinks so
astral swift
I think a group of zagreuses would be an intervention
A group of Zagreus is a therapy session
upbeat sigil
Truee
manic bobcat
a towel of owls
upbeat sigil
I don't think it'd be murder, unless the shades came up with it
hard stag
How many attempts do you have?
Ohhhhhh about 20 at this point. 20 attemptssss.... it takes soo long.
upbeat sigil
I like an intervention of zagreuses because that's sort of what he do
He goes and intervenes whenever he catches a whiff of problem in other people's lives
Which, honestly, I relate
hard stag
Fish for artemis special, for daedalus hammer fish for the triple special barrag...
I dont know what this means
upbeat sigil
Both a possibly very good, and possibly negative trait
upbeat sigil
Question, I heard that cross platform saves were planned for hades on switch and pc, I know they're not a thing yet, but is there any word on when they might come out
limber geyser
when the switch patch arrives
hard stag
Is this game easier with a controller? I use my keyboard
earnest coral
~~A group of Zagreus is a therapy session~~
i thought it was the suicide squad
upbeat sigil
Is this game easier with a controller? I use my keyboard
A lot of people say yes, but I don't agree. I find mouse easier, I think it's preference though. I'd try them both out and see what you like
manic bobcat
it's the more popular choice
upbeat sigil
when the switch patch arrives
Any word on when that might happen? If not it's fine, I'm just curious
hard stag
what does it mean "2 hermes boons per run" ... minimum 2 or maximum 2?
earnest coral
switch patch?
rustic valve
no
quiet gull
You can only be offered two Hermes boons in a normal run
upbeat sigil
When you choose between keyboard and mouse for hades you're basically choosing between better aiming and better shmoovement
quiet gull
With a chance of a third in the final shop
upbeat sigil
Oh huh, til
hard stag
Ohhhh so I should go for Hermes boons when I see them because I wont see it again
upbeat sigil
I don't like the auto aim, it feels clunky to me
It's not awful by any means, I just don't like it
It feels wierd
limber geyser
Any word on when that might happen? If not it's fine, I'm just curious
apparently no ETA provided, there's a note in #hades-faq about it
quiet gull
Ohhhh so I should go for Hermes boons when I see them because I wont see it agai...
Well, no. What I mean to say is that you can only TAKE two hermes boons. If you dont have any, or skip, the game does prioritize offering them again, but not always
Same thing with hammers
Though I think the game re-offers hammers more aggressively than Hermes boons
hard stag
how many hammers can you get
quiet gull
2
hard stag
ok
limber geyser
well can end up with 3 (anvil)
upbeat sigil
apparently no ETA provided, there's a note in <#520449288103395328> about it
Cool cool. I started playing somewhat recently on pc, but I'm home on break rn with only my switch. I'd be happy to buy the game again to play on break but I just didn't want to loose all my save progress.
hard stag
so that means if I dont take hammers early then I'm blocking doors from having other boons later
manic bobcat
Is there a way I can heal myself?
Yeah
flat vapor
dying :p
cedar marlin
How?
upbeat sigil
Wait, if I don't take a hammer door, will it show back up later?
cedar marlin
How about saving?
manic bobcat
You can get healing from shops, healing after boss fights. Later on with mirror upgrades, you can heal after every room, kinda.
quiet gull
That's how roguelites work, lol
quiet gull
Well, dont worry about dying
hard stag
if I have spear tip does Hyper Sprint help w/regard to sturdiness? Or is that a total loss.
manic bobcat
How about saving?
You don't save, not the conventional sense of saving.
cedar marlin
Wait so restarting from the very beginning is fine?
manic bobcat
If this is your first run ever, yeah, you are not gonna make it bud
quiet gull
if I have spear tip does Hyper Sprint help w/regard to sturdiness? Or is that a ...
Those two things.... dont really interact? I dont understqand your question
manic bobcat
Wait so restarting from the very beginning is fine?
don't reset, just die. you will see
it's a roguelite, dying is part of the experience.
quiet gull
Wait so restarting from the very beginning is fine?
You're MEANT to die. Dont worry
hard stag
@quiet gull the sturdiness is basically overwritten by the invulnerability
upbeat sigil
Health is at a premium in this game
I mean, health is somewhat at a premium, but there are plenty of options to heal. A game like dead cells, especially on higher difficulty, now that's a game where healthy is really at a premium
cedar marlin
I reached my furthest rn
vivid wolf
Then talk to Hypnos cause he's cool
earnest coral
which is the best weapon for y'all?
quiet gull
Sturdy doesnt make you invulnerable, it just reduces damage
hard stag
Right
earnest coral
Then talk to Hypnos cause he's cool
best boy in the house
hard stag
and with spear tip I'm invulnerable during the "studiness" period
upbeat sigil
which is the best weapon for y'all?
I like shield and fists most I would say, but I really like all except spear
vivid wolf
Too bad you can't romance him
manic bobcat
which is the best weapon for y'all?
Honestly, I can use most everything. I like bow the best, not because it's the strongest, just that I like it.
earnest coral
Too bad you can't romance him
how does the romance works?
quiet gull
and with spear tip I'm invulnerable during the "studiness" period
Right. So you dont take damage
cedar marlin
im using bow rn and its doing me wonders lol
quiet gull
Sturdy and invulnerable are two separate things
earnest coral
how does the romance works?
i'm just simping with meg and that's all
hard stag
yea so there's no point in Hyper Sprint if you have Spear tip.
earnest coral
im using bow rn and its doing me wonders lol
i used it 1 time and i won
quiet gull
yea so there's no point in Hyper Sprint if you have Spear tip.
I dont think you understand how Spear Tip works
upbeat sigil
Just like in real life lol
earnest coral
oh just like in real life
quiet gull
Nor Hyper Sprint, for that matter
vivid wolf
lmao
earnest coral
Just like in real life lol
loool
upbeat sigil
I tried playing two games with the achilles spear and gave up
quiet gull
Dash vs Getting Hit my bad
earnest coral
do yall use the easy mode thing?
hard stag
I hate the rail gun, this reload thing really doesn't play well for me
upbeat sigil
It trips me up because I feel like retrieve after throw should be special, and dash after throw should be attack
quiet gull
I hate the rail gun, this reload thing really doesn't play well for me
You can change the button to a shoulder button
upbeat sigil
I hate the rail gun, this reload thing really doesn't play well for me
I have my reload bound to a side button on my mouse, which is way nicer
manic bobcat
do yall use the easy mode thing?
no, but some people do and that's great.
earnest coral
I hate the rail gun, this reload thing really doesn't play well for me
maybe the hammer should help with that idk
hard stag
yeah but it's more about having to stop action to reload
upbeat sigil
do yall use the easy mode thing?
I don't, but I also like hard games and have played plenty of rogulikes
quiet gull
You can reload while you use the special, though
manic bobcat
yeah but it's more about having to stop action to reload
Laughs in Hestia
quiet gull
And you can reload during dashes too
upbeat sigil
yeah but it's more about having to stop action to reload
Ah, see the thing is for me that I try to reload whenever I have a chance, not just when I'm empty
hard stag
I was unaware of that
upbeat sigil
During dashes, special, the second where you suck behind a pillar to avoid something
I try to reload whenever I'm doing some defensive option and not actively attackng
manic bobcat
Also try Lightning Strike on Rail if you haven't
quiet gull
You should always be using special in any case, that's a big part of Rail's damage
upbeat sigil
It sounds like a lot, but for me it became second nature super fast
hollow thunder
Who would win
Zagreus or the Kid
hard stag
I need to pull my PC controller out of the box.
earnest coral
I don't, but I also like hard games and have played plenty of rogulikes
i used 2 times and i like DIED
and never used again
vivid wolf
You don't even really have to manually reload unless you're using Hestia aspect
upbeat sigil
Used what?
earnest coral
the "easy mode"
upbeat sigil
Who would win
Zagreus or the Kid
Zag gets to respawn, but a fair fight
earnest coral
aka Deus ex machina
quiet gull
So you died on easy mode, then..... turned it off?
earnest coral
So you died on easy mode, then..... turned it off?
yeah it didn't change that much so i'll play normally
upbeat sigil
Fair enough
quiet gull
Easy Mode gives you more damage reduction the more you die
Starts at 20%, goes up to 80%
earnest coral
imagine it going 100%
hollow thunder
Zag gets to respawn, but a fair fight
How about this: First person to get KO'd loses
So, if the Kid or Zagreus lose all their health, they lose
Irrespective of any respawning
quiet gull
I mean, if they're fighting in Bastion Zag would just constantly dash off cliffs nonstop
hollow thunder
They both get to pick their weapons before the start of the fight, and they don't know what the other picks
manic bobcat
The Kid has the Narrator on his side, so the Kid literally has plot armor
limber geyser
imagine it going 100%
i thought there might be some sort of story thing if it went to 100%
manic bobcat
The narrator for Zag is like lmao you die
upbeat sigil
Does Zachary's get his Olympian boons?
hollow thunder
They both get to be fully powered up
earnest coral
i thought there might be some sort of story thing if it went to 100%
would be cool if u got 100% on this thing and used it to fight all olympians bcause now ure at the same level as them
upbeat sigil
They both get to be fully powered up
Oh, in that case Zag easy
hollow thunder
So, the Kid, whatever weapons he picks, they all have their buffs
He gets to pick 10 spirits
All that stuff
austere jacinth
You'd have to really bend things to get a decent fight, as Zag being a god sets things strongly in his favour.
upbeat sigil
Zagreuses power ups are way way stronger
hollow thunder
Assume Zagreus and the Kid have similar basic physical capabilities
earnest coral
the kid?
hollow thunder
So, Zagreus couldn't just smite the mortal child
upbeat sigil
Partially due to having literal gods on his side, but also I think are due in part to the fact that Hades is a roguelite, meaning that you have a lot more of those over time power-ups, like there mirror
vivid wolf
idk sounds like you might be kinda biased 
upbeat sigil
I think if they both get all of their power ups, zagreus absolutely destroys the kid, not even a question
hollow thunder
I havent played Hades yet, I am waiting for it to go on sale
upbeat sigil
However, if you have them both in their base form, that's a lot more competitive
earnest coral
we fight with ||hades||
i want to fight the other gods too
austere jacinth
Heck, 'basic mortal' Zag still has better training (Achilles).
vivid wolf
Zagreus can't use his godly powers even though he's a god
earnest coral
I havent played Hades yet, I am waiting for it to go on sale
it's on sale here on my country
manic bobcat
Zagreus can't use his godly powers even though he's a god
Zag is literally worse than a fish
upbeat sigil
Heck, 'basic mortal' Zag still has better training (Achilles).
I don't know if that's actually true, the kid does have actually a lot of training. He spent years training on the walls
manic bobcat
Fishes survive in Asphodel lava like nothing. Zag stepping on lava be like I die now
earnest coral
"guess i'll die"
vivid wolf
He can probably stand on lava longer than I can 
earnest coral
probably
hollow thunder
Could the Kid survive Hades
austere jacinth
I don't know if that's actually true, the kid does have actually a lot of traini...
Achilles is Achilles, a man who could beat entire armies alone.
remote anchor
You're saying Zag and the Kid but I'm hearing "Goku and Superman"
earnest coral
who's "The Kid"
upbeat sigil
Zag is literally worse than a fish
impling that the fish are anything other than amazing
Don't youever talk down my boy chrustacean
hollow thunder
Assume he can only get the upgrades from Bastion
earnest coral
ohhh "the kid"
upbeat sigil
Achilles is Achilles, a man who could beat entire armies alone.
Achilles was a skilled warrior, but you can't pretend that he could take down armies only because of his skill and not because of the fact that his entire body was mostly invincible
austere jacinth
Achilles was a skilled warrior, but you can't pretend that he could take down ar...
Bit of both tbh. His skill is talked about endlessly.
upbeat sigil
For sure
I was just saying you can't pretend that the fact that he was mostly invincible didn't have anything to do with it
Lol
austere jacinth
The point's more that he's still a better fighter than anyone The Kid ever faces lore-wise.
upbeat sigil
True
earnest coral
what's the name of those gems things
manic bobcat
Didn't he command the Myrmidons? So Achilles was really an army with a near invincible commander?
upbeat sigil
But the kid doesn't have no training
earnest coral
the green n red ones
upbeat sigil
In fact, it's been a while since I played, but if I remember correctly the kid was actually recognized as being an exceptional fighter
In his time on the walls
Although someone can totally correct me if I'm wrong about that
austere jacinth
He is, it's just that Zag's in a different league.
Gods and legends an' all that.
It's a different scale, setting, and such.
upbeat sigil
I think in their base forms I would give an edge to Zagreus, but I don't think it's a complete wipe
Although like I said, if you give them access to all their upgrades, zagreus wipes the floor with the kid
austere jacinth
Even base form Zagreus wins handily, you have to strip him of godhood to get close and that's not really Zag at that point.
upbeat sigil
Fair enough, I'm not sure you're right, but I'm also not sure you're wrong
Like, I'm not sure if I agree, but I think that's a very fair take
earnest coral
Fair enough, I'm not sure you're right, but I'm also not sure you're wrong
thank you, im confused
upbeat sigil
thank you, im confused
Any time
upbeat sigil
Remember, the terms were that it's whoever loses their health first, not whoever actually dies, since Zachary is can't really be killed
earnest coral
I mean God >>> Human
and u still a human
oh the hypocrisy
upbeat sigil
and u still a human
oh the hypocrisy
What?
manic bobcat
How is that hypocrite?
earnest coral
How is that hypocrite?
if god>>human why ure not one
(it's a joke)
earnest coral
when they will release god 2
manic bobcat
If gods are so good, why is there no gods 2?
Bruh. no. You have God, then you have Jesus.
earnest coral
february 31?
earnest coral
Bruh. no. You have God, then you have Jesus.
he's a demigod?
manic bobcat
he's a demigod?
Heresy xD
earnest coral
i'm confused rn
manic bobcat
so no, Jesus is not a demigod, he is God
earnest coral
so if it's a trilogy there's god 3
manic bobcat
but this is getting mighty off topic xD
upbeat sigil
It's the idea of the Trinity
As a jewish person, I have decided quite a while ago that I'm not even going to try to properly understand that stuff, it's confusing and I'm ok just not getting it
Lol
loud canopy
Don't feel too bad, even Christians argue about it constantly
source: me and my childhood pastor
manic bobcat
so if it's a trilogy there's god 3
Ok, last thing before mods show up.
In Christianity, the Trinity means God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. They are 3 but the same. They are one.
You don't have multiple gods in Christinaity. There is one God, aka monotheistic religion.
So to a non-Christian, the Trinity thing seems like 3 gods, but to a Christian and the Bible, there is a God, which is the Trinity.
This is a long topic and multiple PhD theses have been written on it. I won't dare delving too much into it.
earnest coral
let's go back to the topic
who's the best boy and who's best girl
loud canopy
Hades and Cerberus
loud canopy
I said what I said
upbeat sigil
It is!
dusk night
🙂
humble island
he is thinking
upbeat sigil
Also, it's been nice talking here for a bit, I'm gonna head out, I have some stuff I want to try working on
Talk to you guys later!
earnest coral
byee
brisk trail
agreed
cedar marlin
guys i got my first bottle of nectar any recommendations?
waxen juniper
Use it on who you feel fit.
quiet gull
Dog!
manic bobcat
guys i got my first bottle of nectar any recommendations?
Anyone, really.
waxen juniper
It is your first one, you will get plenty more. Definitely don't overthink it too much.
misty ledge
I just used mine on hypnos bc im dumb
manic bobcat
Give everyone at least one.
quiet gull
I just used mine on hypnos bc im dumb
Purse is a good keepsake, at least
misty ledge
K
manic bobcat
Yeah Purse is good.
waxen juniper
Also, Hypnos is awesome :)
earnest coral
guys i got my first bottle of nectar any recommendations?
u get a lot later
i mean
misty ledge
Im really getting decent at this
manic bobcat
Also a good one to get is Eurydice, for Evergreen Acorn.
earnest coral
playing more u get at least one per run
misty ledge
I can tell which boons are decent
cedar marlin
Im enjoying the bow, does it classify with any god?
waxen juniper
Almost every run now I get around 200 gems. Then I trade those for 20 keys, to give me 4 nectar.
So yeah, you'll get plenty more later
waxen juniper
Im enjoying the bow, does it classify with any god?
Although she hasn't wielded it yet, Artemis.
manic bobcat
Im enjoying the bow, does it classify with any god?
Fittingly, Artemis.
Hunter Dash + Deadly Strike
cedar marlin
I'll see if I have them unlocked
waxen juniper
Arty does not have a bow aspect if that is what you mean
manic bobcat
Yeah true, not sure what this means
does it classify with any god?
Artemis boons go well with the bow.
winter harbor
Artemis just says she wants to wield a bow like that
But she's never actually used that bow before,so no aspect for her
devout glen
hey guys, I have a weird graphical bug
there are purple and green lines all over the place
which was.. ok at first
but now the walls have dissapeared
and they are replaced by purple outlines
what is happening and what do I do
I tried verifying and running in 32bit, nothing
devout glen
alright, thank you
brisk trail
how old is your graphics card
devout glen
gtx 1060
well i was told that its part of the artstyle
never noticed it though, strange
remote anchor
Shouldn't have bought a haunted game key
manic bobcat
I would read a Hades creepy pasta lol
remote anchor
You said you got this boon from Charons shop? But Charons shop burned down ten years to this day!
devout glen
if I have a bow and pick "your special has 20% chance to deal critical", does that apply to every individual arrow fired?
manic bobcat
yup
winter harbor
I wonder why this intepretation of charon doesn't speak in an understandable way
rough token
Grrraaaaaahaahhhhhhahh
manic bobcat
Charon is a Pokemon
distant night
i chose you ferryman of the dead
rough token
I thought Dusa, Meg, etc. were because || Companions ||
devout glen
maybe he can speak but doesnt because he is bored of talking.. he has to transport every single dead person to the underworld
I would probably also get kinda exhausted of talking at that point
brisk trail
charon sounds like me getting out of bed in the morning
manic bobcat
i chose you ferryman of the dead
Charon, use oar Swipe.. No not on me
devout glen
ofc he does, since he never gets to sleep
distant night
hypnos gets enough sleep for the whole family
manic bobcat
ok, can we talk about how dude literally one a shop for one (1) customer
winter harbor
Anything for the obols
distant night
maybe there's other customers and he just closes th eshop whenevery you're close
past arch
Not a fanwork, but I love seeing Greg's status "playing Hades"
distant night
same
rough token
He didn't set up a full shop, he just happened to have some wares out when Zag went by, he's not intentionally helping him escape nope what
winter harbor
it's a good sign if you want to play your own game
distant night
seeing sgg play their game makes me feel more love for the game and its devs
rough token
Mind you, that also shows up when they're testing stuff, but yeah
past arch
Listen Greg just wants to romance Than and Meg, we all been there
past arch
Mind you, that also shows up when they're testing stuff, but yeah
I assumed so! But I also just like to think he's doing a fun story run trying to get Patrochilles back together too ;P
manic bobcat
He didn't set up a full shop, he just happened to have some wares out when Zag w...
Hi Zag,
I just "happen" to have these items lying around just waiting for you to "happen" to come by.
This is definitely not a pre-arranged thing even though the items were laid out neatly for display.
Also definitely I did not scalp these boons to charge you for it. Definitely not.
Like why would you think that I stole these items to sell them back to you?
past arch
Charon would be a tsundere but he doesn't DENY liking Zag, he simply never states it out loud
manic bobcat
Oh and btw I wouldn't admit anything because I can't talk so you can't make me
I mean Gaaahhhhh Muaaaaahhhhh
hhhhhhhhhhhhh
cedar marlin
It saves when I die right?
manic bobcat
Yup
rough token
And in a few other places
cedar marlin
Plus quick question, when I kill Meg I advance?
manic bobcat
I bet Tis and Charon understand each other and talk mad stuff about the others in their free time
manic bobcat
Plus quick question, when I kill Meg I advance?
Yes, but if you die you need to kill her again.
For the next run
novel wasp
devout glen
can I get Hermes blessing more than 2 times?
rough token
Yup
devout glen
never happened to me, thought that he works like Deadulus
rough token
He does, but there's the chance for a third
past arch
never happened to me, thought that he works like Deadulus
You can get him twice or three times or more
But I only get him 3+ times if I took his boon the first two times
devout glen
wtf, the time challanges are sometimes really ridiculous
I just got a spearmen, two chariots and those defense crystals
in a tiny arena with a bow
i got like 6 darkness droplets out of that
restive rapids
the only achievement left for me to unlock is bad call
and I got it the other day when the internet died for 4 hours and it didn't count because of offline mode
restive rapids
distant night
ayeee hades and ac:nh finally got their deserved spotlights!
manic bobcat
what do you mean TLOU2 didn't deserve everything it was nominated for?
distant night
nah just saying ac:nh didnt get anything from the other goty awards despite keeping most of humanity alive
manic bobcat
I was being sarcastic
distant night
who knows you fox
one second you're out for blood, the next you're talking about swimswim
love you tho bro
devout glen
Is it just me or does Elysium and Labyrinth spawn gold urns more commonly?
meanwhile Tartarus has pretty much none
manic bobcat
yeah there are more gold pots in styx it feels
timid compass
So either the "customer loyalty" prophecy is a hidden prophecy or it doesn't exist at all
distant night
it does exist idk when you get it tho
devout glen
are spoiler allowed in this chat?
rough token
Not unless you tag them
Otherwise, head over to #h1-story-discussion
(and thank you for asking!)
devout glen
ok
well I guess ill rather ask it here and censor it
since I dont want the story spoiled
manic bobcat
https://imgur.com/VYhw4ox
Maybe maybe not.
rough token
(they're fine if tagged though)
devout glen
||how do I get charons discount card? is it permanent discount?||
rough token
(also Fox, I'm disappointed, getting your mouse in the screenshot?)
rough token
||how do I get charons discount card? is it permanent discount?||
|| by defeating him in a fight, and it only lasts for the run ||
rough token
very
iron fox
||quite hard, he has a slash that does a flat 50||
||and he does it twice in a row, often||
loud flame
how hard is he, compared to the other bosses?
pretty easy if you keep on dodging and stay behind him
manic bobcat
||yeah, he hits very hard. but his attacks can be weave/dodged consistently||
rough token
|| and at least one stun, plus large AoE attacks ||
|| definitely a fight that requires patience ||
iron fox
||imo not worth the 300 gold and 20% discount but the fight is really fun, not to mention the song that plays||
devout glen
im probably not going to do it though
id feel genuinely bad about it
charon doesnt deserve this
manic bobcat
storywise, it's fine
iron fox
yeah, ||he actually admires you for it||
manic bobcat
consider it a bonding exercise
They do be having some weird bonding exercises huh.
See also: ||Zag and Meg||
narrow hemlock
timid compass
Question: ||Can bouldy give you an actually useful effect when you give him nectar or will it always be 1-3% dmg boost?||
faint flume
always stuff like that, what else would you expect?
rough token
|| sometimes it's a bit higher, I think I've seen 8%? ||
|| He can also give you the very powerful 2% ambiguity bonus ||
faint flume
|| sometimes it's a bit higher, I think I've seen 8%? ||
|| He can also give yo...
||8% movement speed||
worn horizon
how hard is he, compared to the other bosses?
||He deals stupid damage and dodging his abilities is pretty much impossible since it's only 1 frame you can dodge in||
timid compass
I just noticed that lernie has the sigil of the house of hades on its forehead
NOOO
I finally got a fishing spot in chaos but it was just a projelly
I would have been fine with a mati since I still need the full codex notes but why another projelly?
already got 4
I'm guessing you can't get a light of ixion when you're close to the boss room? (like, right before the shop)
devout glen
does anyone know what exactly does "distant" mean?
winter harbor
No, I think light of ixion overrides normal requirements for a chaos gate
devout glen
does the tip of the spear count as distan t?
winter harbor
afaik, light of ixion only can't show in the last biome
And I've gotten chaos gates right before the boss before
manic basin
||bruh, just got hades down to his final droplet of health and died. My first kill of hades is coming.||
timid compass
Am I the only one who can't help but think of "satyr sax" when the narrator speaks?
stone pebble
narrow hemlock
@manic basin hey friend, the final boss is considered a spoiler in this channel, mind editing your comment?
timid compass
satyr 🎷
winter venture
I would like to know if any people playing with mouse and keyboard might agree with me that the controls would work much better if you use the mouse for movement as well, like in Diablo? I find it works a lot better with the isometric camera angle. Just an idea. But the way they did it in Diablo works very well. You use left click on the mouse for movement and when you hold down shift you will attack when left clicking.
bright nymph
maybe it’s because i’ve played things like enter the gungeon before but it feels fine to me
what’s a good ||one heat|| to apply to an escape?
winter harbor
Try the first level of ||extreme measures||
It only affects the first boss, and after that, it's the same as a heat 0 run
bright nymph
alright thanks
cerulean moth
Is there a prerequisite other than stubborn defiance in the mirror for Kiss of Styx premium?
devout glen
I would like to know if any people playing with mouse and keyboard might agree w...
im happy with the controls as it is
I definitely wouldnt use mouse movement
the only thing that slightly annoys is special of Q
but I really dont know where else would I put it
winter venture
would be nice if you could customize movement as well.
timid compass
Is it me or is athena the only character in the game that blinks?
rough token
I think one other does? but yeah
loud flame
how do i romance bouldy
jovial whale
is there a ship channel on this btw?
distant night
||zag and than are the best gay couple in all games change my mind||
||nobody would dare change your mind, we all love them||
rough token
#fan-works could work for that, but yeah as long as it's clean (as per the sever rules) you should be fine
distant night
all ship channels are their own servers tbh
jovial whale
lmao
distant night
i have found myself in an asterius-theseus server and it's godly
jovial whale
damn
rough token
A Burger King server? >:3
timid compass
So apparently I never bought a single stygian shard before 90 hours of gameplay
distant night
A Burger King server? >:3
:3
brisk trail
someone say burgerking
jovial whale
lol
winter harbor
asterius isn't food
timid compass
also I finally unlocked the charon well prophecy
jovial whale
nice!
brisk trail
asterius isn't food
theseus: that can be arranged
rough token
someone say burgerking
I might've 
jovial whale
theseus: that can be arranged
YO WAIT
quartz flume
I sometimes can dash 3 times in a row with Ruthless Reflex. Is that a bug?
scarlet perch
Do you mean without?
jovial whale
hey just wondering, what controls do people use? i have attack on m1, special on m2, cast on m3, and call on shift... also i like the "dashing at cursor" setting, it helps for mobility... any other settings that people like?
rough token
attack on m1, special on m2, cast on shift, call on F, no dash to cursor
red tiger
ds4 controller whatever the default is
jovial whale
attack on m1, special on m2, cast on shift, call on F, no dash to cursor
nice!
quartz flume
Hidden fist gives more dashes
oh, that explains it
timid compass
Finally forged a bond with aphrodite
the only one left is...
hypnos 
narrow hemlock
Please hold, he'll get to you momentarily*
*a "moment" may be measured quite differently to immortals
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hiya peeps!
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Heyo!
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I've got a few questions
I'm 33 attempts in
I've managed to face the final dude once and died but one thing I'm not sure of is this
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I've managed to face the final dude once and died but one thing I'm not sure of ...
|| final boss name is a spoiler in this channel ||
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dang
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Could you please edit your message?