#h1-discussion

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rustic valve
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Yeah, getting Swift Attack helps on that one, actually

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Usually it's not all that helpful, but if you get +20 or 30% attack speed on bow 4, it's so nice

thick swallow
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I believe it doesn’t affect dash-strikes though, which makes it less useful

rustic valve
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I'm not 100% sure

past arch
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he even goes into the detail of the UI animation, utterly awesome

manic bobcat
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Yeah, tbf I think the Boon UI specifically is a low point. The layout is a bit confusing, especially with the selection icons which is there but doesn't do much. If you have too many boons it kinda breaks and overlaps with other stuff. One of the few faults I have with it. Though I suppose it is miles better than the original early early EA version

waxen juniper
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I have trouble with the hidden bow special. It feels weak. That's probably because I haven't upgraded it yet

brisk trail
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it's hard to find which boons you already have

waxen juniper
brisk trail
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wish when you go to the codex, the boons you aready have would light up

manic bobcat
rustic valve
manic bobcat
waxen juniper
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Usui, have you unlocked the prophecy of the Fates yet?

rustic valve
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With dash strikes and powershots, it is one of the best weapons for the BIG DAMAGE kind of thing

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especially with Artemis boons

brisk trail
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I know it lights up if you have the pre-requisits, but does it light up if you have the attack already

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the missions that you complete with the desk in your room? @waxen juniper

waxen juniper
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Oh, that's what you mean. If you have an attack, it won't offer it to you. Only other gods might.

brisk trail
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I know, but if I'm trying to see which boons I already have, it's not clear

waxen juniper
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Yea, that's the one. The codex has a scroll next to boons you haven't collected.

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Ah, press select or B if you are using a keyboard

brisk trail
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no... not collected ever, I mean on your run

manic bobcat
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Wait, don't you see something like an actual boon menu?

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Yeah like on the run

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it's Select or B by default

brisk trail
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I'm not taling about the little diamonds

waxen juniper
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Select for controller or B on keyboard will show the boon menu

manic bobcat
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ok

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which one are you talking about? im confused

waxen juniper
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Well... you kind of are. That is your attacks and boons

brisk trail
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they are too small and I haven't memorized which ones are for which gods

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i want it in the codex

manic bobcat
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ok ok

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i see

brisk trail
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like when I'm rerolling, I want to see which ones I already have vs what could be in a reroll

rustic valve
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You can highlight them in the boon list

manic bobcat
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yeah, I mean I literally just pointed out the UI can be better

brisk trail
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what do you mean? @rustic valve

rustic valve
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I do that very often when I look at a choice

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Well... I press "-" on the Switch, and I can see all the ones I currently have

brisk trail
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also the end of a run summary is a little awkward to navigate. wish the click on screen was enabled for the switch

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I don't like the "-" menu

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I'm talking about in codex when you go to Ares boons, I would like to easily see with a border around which boons I've already collected

manic bobcat
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I think that's something you will learn with time. But I see your point.

rustic valve
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Ah, okay. Hm. Yeah, the codex fulfills a different role, unfortunately.

manic bobcat
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Though this is a "roguelite" thing I would argue.

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Took me more than 200 hours to learn items in Isaac, a decent amount for guns in Gungeon, etc.

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The sheer amount of stuff can be overwhelming.

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And you have Selection Paralysis.

brisk trail
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fixed

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sign

waxen juniper
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That works. Thanks

brisk trail
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that said, she doesn't seem like much of a spoiler

waxen juniper
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ngl, I tend to forget it's considered a spoiler too.

brisk trail
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is she after the first clear?

waxen juniper
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Yes

lone sinew
brisk trail
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i don't remember what her reveal was like

waxen juniper
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|| fighting Hades|| and anything after the clear is a spoiler. Heat is whatever though

manic bobcat
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presumably because hell mode unlocks heat right away anyway

waxen juniper
lone sinew
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True even if you say heat someone who dosent know what it is will not u derstand

waxen juniper
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Exactly

rancid vapor
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Just got my 15 heat clear. It's getting harsh. I don't think I can get the highest level of "tight deadline" with the secret aspect of sword zaglol

waxen juniper
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Nice job though!!

rancid vapor
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Thank you

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||+30% chance for rare boon from Chaos ftw||

waxen juniper
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Nice!!

summer geyser
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Does Daedalus not give any boons for the aspect of zeus shield

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Or am I just spectacularly unlucky

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Things that affect my special, to be more specific

distant night
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the only special upgrade from daed compatible with zeus is Explosive Return

summer geyser
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Oh I see, wack

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Thanks for the info

distant night
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sure thing :)

viscid salmon
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Just saw the bit from nintendo switch - had no idea the game was originally going to be about theseus and the minotaur! That's extremely cool

dawn atlas
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Hi! Any word on Switch patches? Seems like they’re super behind.

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BTW this game is amazing

summer geyser
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Agreed

distant night
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some people were saying there would be no more hades updates coming this year, i would imagine it to also be about the needed switch patch updates since its version is lagging behind...

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but thats only regarding bugs and ballancements nothign else really is different from the most recent version and v1.0

manic bobcat
distant night
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well the nintendo version is still v1.0 too, i wonder how difficult implementing nintendo cross-play into the game is

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are any other sgg games available on switch?

manic bobcat
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all of the other games are lol

distant night
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huh the nintendo website says only 2 are :o

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whelp nvm am looking at an old article

narrow hemlock
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pyre isn't?

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they never ported that one

deep pivot
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And that is sad.

distant night
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great hades discussion starter buckeroo, i think we all love the amount of lgbtq+ representation within the game :)

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shy?

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so especially comfortable or less?

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okidokes, if you think of staying you can even give yourself your most favorable pronouns as roles in #bot-commands via ?rank She/Her or ?rank
They/Them so everybody knows how to correctly talk to you :D

brisk trail
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yeah c:

distant night
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why, you have the they/them role 🤔

gaunt valley
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i hate losing to final boss when theyre at like 25% health

calm laurel
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is this a bot?

distant night
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you?

calm laurel
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nvm

distant night
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?

gaunt valley
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wut

quiet gull
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I think this might be a troll

distant night
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did i do something

gaunt valley
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whyd you call them a hoe

distant night
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probably but their first messages seemed pretty humanoid

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?

brisk trail
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might?

distant night
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you can chose she/her it's not a problem whatever you feel most comfortable with?

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you can even get all 3 roles, the bot doesnt care

gaunt valley
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their first messages seem really trolly

distant night
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yesnt

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okay ima just

calm laurel
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'This might be a troll' that's what I thought too

thick swallow
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...chat

distant night
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subtract myself out of this conversation

calm laurel
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same

thick swallow
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...?

calm laurel
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WHAT!?

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lmao

distant night
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dont feed the trolls

calm laurel
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ik, ik

distant night
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subtract yourselves and think of dio's thighs

calm laurel
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oof

brisk trail
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Achilles is my dad

bright nymph
calm laurel
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what is this?

distant night
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trolling on an uncomfortable level

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nobody is reacting to it correctly

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so they desperate and tyoing weirdly but thats ok

rustic valve
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@deep pivot can you please rid us of the troll?

brisk trail
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can I get a hoiyah

distant night
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hoiyah

rustic valve
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At this point it's just tedious to see so many blocked messages

deep pivot
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What's happening here?

bright nymph
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this is actually kinda funny

distant night
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idk nobody is comfortable

calm laurel
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ah, so it's a previous user?

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...

distant night
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and calling others a "hoe"

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which is a meme?

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apparently funny

calm laurel
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hoes mad?

rustic valve
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They came in earlier, posted some "controversial" "hot takes" and have since been ever more desperately trying to get a rise out of people

distant night
gaunt valley
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what kinda controversial

brisk trail
thick swallow
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They previously came in getting a bit aggressive about disliking Hades

deep pivot
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Please, be calm, everyone.

distant night
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oh proxy isnt having none of this

brisk trail
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lmao go proxy go

deep pivot
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Remember rule #1.

calm laurel
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yeah, weird

bright nymph
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This is very strange

gaunt valley
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black ares is iconic

calm laurel
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Nyx?

bright nymph
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I like how dusa is green

gaunt valley
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athena is the only character design i dont like

distant night
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huuuh

gaunt valley
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something about it just seems weird to me

brisk trail
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i think her arm on the shield kinda looks strange but the design is great

distant night
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it's great for fanart definitively

bright nymph
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i never really paid attention the races of the gods they all look kinda gray

brisk trail
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kind of a perspective thing I guess?

distant night
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and she seems stuck up and stoic, as i would think her to be

distant night
deep pivot
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They are being taken cared of. Sorry for the trouble everyone BlazeOops

distant night
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?

gaunt valley
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the idea of race is a pretty modern thing tbh
most likely the greeks didnt even think of the gods as having a specific skin color

bright nymph
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well they were all marble color

distant night
gaunt valley
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mhm

gaunt valley
bright nymph
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oh fr?

gaunt valley
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at least the roman ones were

distant night
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marble statues dont get painted usually

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only terracotta or clay

gaunt valley
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and then assumed that marble shouldnt be painted

distant night
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still the stone is too smooth for the paint to be sticked on well enough tbf

gaunt valley
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which is why it took so long to realize they used to be painted

rustic valve
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yeah, same is true of Egyptian stuff

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Assassin's Creed... Origins? I think; the Egypt one, anyway, shows that off very nicely.

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And spent a lot of effort to do so

gaunt valley
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lmao
Im listening to a podcast and one of the dudes was like
"im entering these game awards like a k pop stan for hades"

lusty cedar
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Update I find the control with keyboard and Mouse a bit like hyper light drifter gameplay but with fast movement.

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:)

summer geyser
manic bobcat
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I played a League game and this channel devolve to some homophobic stuff smh my head

summer geyser
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Diony has my favourite design

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Hermes is probably the most boring for me

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Poor Hermes

glass shell
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i really like artemis

distant night
summer geyser
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Tisiphone is the most annoying fury to fight oh my god

summer geyser
distant night
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tisiphone is easy to dodge once you fought her like thrice

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alecto tho? will always suck butt

summer geyser
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I find Alecto the easiest

distant night
gaunt valley
summer geyser
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They succeeded

gaunt valley
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hermes is like the god of normal people

distant night
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alecto sucks imo cause her sawblades can get stuck on the obstacles and hit you way too many times than necessary; and because she is a harder meg with rage with sawblades that are un-deflectable

gaunt valley
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like sheperds and such

distant night
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he the prankster coz

gaunt valley
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alecto is the worst fury

distant night
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^

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her character arch sucks the most out of all the npcs in the game, understandable tho

manic bobcat
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shes a flat character

waxen juniper
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I love watching Tisiphone ||learn new words||

manic bobcat
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do you mean word?

summer geyser
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Mmmm....

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MURDER

distant night
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it's the thuoght that counts

waxen juniper
distant night
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i'm sad ||happy|| didnt do it to her as much

waxen juniper
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Alecto does have some depth to her rage, but that takes a while to develop

distant night
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which you really dont want to happen cause fighting her sucks

gaunt valley
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||so how do i get to the epilogue ive maxed out all the gods nectar levels||
||should i look for what their favors are on the wiki||

waxen juniper
distant night
distant night
gaunt valley
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no do i need to max their nectar level too?

waxen juniper
distant night
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you didnt get the first prophecy?

summer geyser
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Lmao chat full of black bars

distant night
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yes

gaunt valley
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||....................................................................................................................................................||

waxen juniper
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That is a question that will result in heavy, heavy spoilers. It's best to move it to the other channel

gaunt valley
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yea thats fair

distant night
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i mean it really doesnt matter with those kinds of questions but aight

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meet ya there chai!

glass shell
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damn i really got baited by ||..............................................................||

waxen juniper
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Shhhh, that's super secret!

summer geyser
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I feel you, the fact that ||Jack dies in Titanic|| absolutely blindsided me

distant night
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brother why

shy tartan
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how do i use the spear?

summer geyser
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Don't miss

acoustic vale
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Stab m with the pointy end

summer geyser
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The spear is my second favourite weapon after the shield

distant night
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spear is a very weird thing to give advice for

winter harbor
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I treat spear like melee weapon

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spam dash-strike, only with greater reach, because I usually get the hammer that extends reach

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But spear is one of my worse melee weapons

distant night
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you can either focus on attack combos or the dash-attack or the spin attack (since you can move it with dashes), specials arent really that important (other than to trigger damage boost with achilles) and spear feels just beutiful with safe builds

shy tartan
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its my worst weapon and i kinda wanna know how its supposed to be used

summer geyser
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My worst weapon is the rail

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Idk how anyone likes to use it lmao

shy tartan
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im ok with zag aspect

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its good with certain boons

winter harbor
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My worst weapon is bow

shy tartan
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specifically artemis and zeus and poseiden

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im allright with aspect of chiron bow

waxen juniper
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I've found knockback has been very nice on spear

shy tartan
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whats the spears best aspect?

summer geyser
winter harbor
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Um, I like hades aspect

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It makes the spin attack actually viable

distant night
cedar marten
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Does Chiron has some weird bug on Switch?

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It looks like most of the arrows just goes trough the enemy and doesnt do damage

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Just died to the time running out but that didnt happen before

waxen juniper
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I've heard no complaints about that before. Maybe you just had a mediocre run. Happens all the time

cedar marten
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Shouldn't be the case

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Everything was the same as other runs

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Same special, same dash, same hammers, everything

waxen juniper
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If it's the same exact combination, I'd be skeptical

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That shouldn't happen

cedar marten
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Thats what im trying to say

waxen juniper
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No, I mean you should not be having the same exact combination as other runs. Unless it is seeded

cedar marten
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Wdym, I still get same artemis special and aphro atk and so on

waxen juniper
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What heat modifiers do you have on?

distant night
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if you didnt force the gods rerolling for the same build it would be very very rare to have the SAME exact build like before
especially with hammers since they depend on seed so... getting all the same of that?

cedar marten
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I mostly get the same stuff

distant night
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sounds broken or seeded

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ah ok

cedar marten
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Just different rarity

distant night
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👀

waxen juniper
distant night
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dont mind the jokers

cedar marten
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Heat 10

distant night
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TD makes you die of running out of time, chiron can be pretty weird, especially on v.1.0 of the switch version

cedar marten
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In what way weird?

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Also ik, just experienced the death :D

distant night
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idk i didnt personally use chiron a bunch back then but the special was kinda weird/buggy

cedar marten
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Yesss

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It feels very weirs

distant night
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hence why i am still scared of using it D:

cedar marten
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*weird

distant night
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the ptsd of v1.0

cedar marten
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The arrows sometimes just dont hit

distant night
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yes!

waxen juniper
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Oh yeah, that just depends on your angle

distant night
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i had the same issue with zeus casts with the current version on steam tho too

cedar marten
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They like warp around the opponent

real edge
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i love chiron

cedar marten
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My angle was fine

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I did lots of runs with Chiron before

waxen juniper
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It seeks, but its not a perfect heat seeker

distant night
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so yeah maybe a major bug from v1.0 that has a comeback thx to stuttering now

cedar marten
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But encountered this bug twice now

real edge
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Did you F10 it?

distant night
cedar marten
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Whats F10

distant night
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on steam only

real edge
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Ah dont worry then

distant night
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with f10 on pc you can submit bugs

cedar marten
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Ahh

winter harbor
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there must be a way to report bugs on switch

cedar marten
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Or wait for an update I guess

distant night
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yeah, maybe ask about it in #h1-tech-support if that will be fixed when the switch version updates

real edge
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What even is the bug thats being talked about?

distant night
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chiron not doing its job

real edge
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in what way?

distant night
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the special arrows dont hit/ just go through enemies without doing damage even tho you have them marked

real edge
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Ah right, ive never had that problem

distant night
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i had it once and was scared of chiron

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but that was when the game just came out on steam

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and since switch still has v1.0 it might have been fixed with the patches on pc hades, but it'd be better to ask

cedar marten
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What builds worked good back then?

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Ill use smth else in the mean time ig

distant night
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on bow? idk i sucked with it and was scared :c

cedar marten
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No no

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Not specifically boe

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*bow

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Anything honestly :D

distant night
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the safe build of now was always working (safe build being athena on dash or attack, artemis on special and anything else, dio with his fountain and other health boons, aphrodite maybe for special and also health etc etc)

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poseidon and zeus for speedclearing was always good

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maybe look up old hades speedrus from september? vorime and bablo have great ones

cedar marten
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I will, thanks

distant night
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always happy to help an artemis brother out <3

cedar marten
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Hehe, Artemis best girl

real edge
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Zeus+Artemis is good

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One that i enjoy that i dont think is common is Ares+Demeter

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with, hopefully, ||Demeter+Artemis||cast

distant night
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ares +demeter or dio + demeter is BEAUTIFUL

cedar marten
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Ive wanted to try the sword out actually

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Or spear

real edge
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CHOP

distant night
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sword loves ares

cedar marten
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Havent used thag one at all

real edge
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chop,chop,chop

distant night
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spear loves athena

real edge
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i hate spear

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can barely do heat 2 with spear

distant night
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valid and understandable

real edge
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whereas all the other weapons im up to like, heat 8-12

distant night
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do you play with controller or kbm?

real edge
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kbm

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its more the playstyle of spear doesnt work well with me

distant night
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huh i wouldve understood more with controller, it really doesnt go well

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which is your fave then?

real edge
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Bow+Shield

distant night
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ok yeah 100% understandable

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most spear players hate bow and most bowplayers hate spear

real edge
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If i had a tier list it would be:
S - Sword, Shield, Bow, Fists, Gun
F - Spear

distant night
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idk for what reason but their playstyles seem to clash the most

real edge
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damn spear

distant night
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S - Spear, fists, sword
A - shield, gun
D- bow

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( i know i spelled out sad because i am)

pliant sparrow
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S - gun, bow
F - sword, shield, fists, spear

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(as u can see i hate melee weapons)

distant night
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ohh a ranged lad

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havent seen one ever

pliant sparrow
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i died on 0 heat with fists so many times

distant night
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try talos and mainly using special?

winter harbor
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I like fists

pliant sparrow
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nah i reached 32 heat today but man it was a pain

winter harbor
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Melee combat really appeals to me

distant night
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appealing indeed

pliant sparrow
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i liked ranged cuz that way u can skip most of the boss mechanics

distant night
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are you scared D:

pliant sparrow
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yes :D i dont have the circle timing down at all

distant night
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the bosses dont bite too hard

pliant sparrow
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only won today cuz i could spam athena call before every single circle attack

distant night
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only hydra really...

winter harbor
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I'm terrible at ranged because you have to charge up the bow

real edge
distant night
winter harbor
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I'm better at gun but even so

distant night
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he stilldoesnt use teeth

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but i might

real edge
distant night
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||even tho, cerb does come running, but again: no bitey bites||

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i remember having the biggest "laughs maniacally i'm in danger" moment when first trying ||em4|| and losing my DDs before ||stage 2|| was over

tender sapphire
real edge
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i hate spear

distant night
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Sab? sad dab?

distant night
tender sapphire
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if you learn how to play it spear can be a little good

distant night
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stop massacering my boi

real edge
tender sapphire
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but by far i think is the weakest weapon

distant night
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it is strong with the right upgrades

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you just really have to put in veery muhc blood sweat and tears to actually get there tho

pliant sparrow
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spear feels very awkward since its tryna be multiple things at once but isnt that good at any of them

distant night
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but camping the spawn circles of my enemies with a full charged spin attack with achilles damage boost feels transcendental

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and triple dashattack with athena makes you feel invincible

pliant sparrow
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like for spear you wanna build aoe? rail does it better
wanna build dash attacks? nemesis does it better

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wanna build special for boss dps? bow does it better

tender sapphire
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the other weapons can be good even withouth them or picking good ones

distant night
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just spamming dashattack wont help

nocturne ginkgo
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I stand by that every weapon is good its just how good you are with the weapon

real edge
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Unpopular Opinion: Spread Fire Exagryph is good

distant night
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having the right combo of special throw dashattack spin attack dash down is the thing

nocturne ginkgo
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I'm not good with spear but it is a good weapon

distant night
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unpopular opinion: spear is great and i just hope it has enough silent lovers to not constantly feel hatred ;-;

carmine ravine
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S- fist rails bow A-sword B- spear

real edge
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you missed one

distant night
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where is

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where is uhm

pliant sparrow
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i feel like spear was originally intended to be good at multiple stuff, but you have to specialize on one aspect of it to do well in higher heats, but if ur gonna specialize anyways, other weapons are better

carmine ravine
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kek i know

real edge
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or is shield so bad it isnt on tier list

carmine ravine
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its very dependant on playstyle my shield experience flunctuates a lot so not listed

real edge
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Fair

distant night
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if you dont like it personally, ok, valid, fantastic; but dont say it's the WORST when there are more than enough people who think the exact opposite

pliant sparrow
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i think its really good (sgg did a great job of balancing all weapons), but other aspects are just better at doing their things

distant night
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personally it doesnt try to be multiple things, special is its own thing, the attack is very melee, the aspects are great, the spin attack is not anyhow like sword or shield

real edge
#

well i mean anyone can say anything about anything, its all a matter of opinion

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but i see where youre coming from

distant night
#

opinions are great, just dont try to hate on something so bad just because you dont understand it well enough

pliant sparrow
#

just stating why i dont really like a weapon compared to others; not presenting stuff as absolute fact

distant night
#

it just really sounds like it

#

sorry if i misunderstood your longer... eh... tirage? about how bad it is?

carmine ravine
#

spear suks fite me

distant night
#

that and personally having spent probably 200h only with spear makes everything you said sound like you never really learned to fight with spear, which is understandable, i also dont go for bow cause i personally dont get jiggy with it

nocturne ginkgo
#

I do think its funny listening to like streamers who only ever played zag aspects saying a weapon is trash garbage

winter harbor
#

how are you supposed to aim triple jab?

nocturne ginkgo
#

spray

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and

#

pray

distant night
#

triple jab is a trap

#

sounds good but is meh

#

but if you fid yourself cornering/ getting cornered alot: its gud

nocturne ginkgo
#

For me lance has a really strange attack pattern but if I get flurry jab or whatever its called

#

fantastic

#

I think the only weapon I actively dislike is shield

#

but I like playing captain america cause its fun

distant night
#

whenever i get serrated point while on a artemis build i get insanely happy

nocturne ginkgo
#

which one is that?

#

more damage to armor?

distant night
#

the tripple dash attack

nocturne ginkgo
#

ooooh

#

yeah that one is really good

distant night
#

yes

#

with athena on attack and artemis on dash it does insane damage

nocturne ginkgo
#

artemis on attack and Dash

distant night
#

especially with Deadly Reversal

nocturne ginkgo
#

BIG NUMBERS

distant night
#

OMG YESSSSS

#

but Deadly Reversal with athena on attack: also big numbers and big safety feeling

nocturne ginkgo
#

I'm not gonna lie getting art on hidden sword gives me seratonin I LOVE BIG NUMBERS

distant night
#

😂

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getting lvl 10 aphrodite on rail special and pressure points is also sick

nocturne ginkgo
#

My favorite run I ever had was chiron bow where I got the hammers for special pierces armor and special does +3 for each hit, art on special, and arts crits do more to armor

#

it just melted

distant night
#

my favorite run was one of the athena-artemis combos i preach, i got ||dad|| down in less than two minutes

#

just went in, smacked him back home and left with tears in my eyes

nocturne ginkgo
#

oh yeah

#

its so funny getting boss melt builds

distant night
#

yes

#

or not even a melt build but still knowing the weapon good enough to make any build a boss melt one

nocturne ginkgo
#

I love getting dionysus on chiron special and then just pomming it as high as it will go, then I shoot once and it drops a phase on a boss

#

very entertaining

distant night
#

ohhh now i wonder about ||demeter|| on bow specials with Killing freeze

nocturne ginkgo
#

it does work

distant night
#

wonder how good it can work

nocturne ginkgo
#

I've used it its not my favorite but if I get it I'm not complaining

#

kinda work

#

ya know

molten nymph
#

pretty good

#

since you also get the speed debuff

distant night
#

dio also only does 7 damage every 0.5 secs right? now i really wanna try killing freeze with the bow special ,_,

#

40 damage every 0.5 secs sounds too good to be true ;-;

molten nymph
#

nah, dio deals 5 on common

nocturne ginkgo
#

with dio you go for the ares duo which makes it .35 seconds

molten nymph
#

per stack

distant night
#

so 25 if maxed stack?

nocturne ginkgo
#

yes

molten nymph
#

yes
but you almost always go for ares/aphro duo

#

if not both

nocturne ginkgo
#

aphro letting you stack up to 7 I believe?

distant night
#

so 35

#

35 every 0.35 secs, sweet

nocturne ginkgo
#

but this is assuming you get common special

molten nymph
#

aphro stacks for 8

nocturne ginkgo
#

oh I was close

distant night
#

42 every 0.35 secs, sweet

molten nymph
#

the cost for going for both is you need to put ares in dash/call/cast

#

aka

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dash

distant night
#

i need to trust dio's main boons more

nocturne ginkgo
#

Me and dionysus like getting day drunk on a thursday you feel

distant night
#

but his health boons are so smexy

molten nymph
#

or put it on call and pretend its not there

distant night
#

i like to get drunk with dio but more on his stash than on hangover stats

#

sipping a fountain worth of dio wine all day any day brothers

nocturne ginkgo
#

If I'm going for the aphro duo (for chiron) I like getting aphro on attack dio special because by the time the chiron target goes away its roughly time to apply the weakness again

languid plover
nocturne ginkgo
#

lil purple arrows chasing down a dude

#

also "hot take" its time we remove great shielders and theseus shield

#

fight me

#

He shouldn't get two weapons I don't get two weapons

distant night
#

i want to use the dio animated emote under all of your messages

molten nymph
#

theseus without shield would be an absolute joke

nocturne ginkgo
#

I know lmao

molten nymph
#

removing his shield probably mean buffing his entire moveset so its a no for me

nocturne ginkgo
#

but I honestly do think that great shielders are the worst enemy in the game and honestly makes elysium my most hated area

distant night
#

theseus with shield is already a joke since he tries to hit once and then goes "ah yes ima show THE ONLY PART OF MY BODY THAT ISNT INVINCIBLE DUE TO SHIELD to them to really show dominance!"

nocturne ginkgo
#

Establish dominance by walking away slowly

distant night
#

and being vulerable

nocturne ginkgo
#

Nothing better than a man being vulnerable

distant night
#

amen

nocturne ginkgo
#

it shows he is emotionally healthy

nocturne ginkgo
#

lmao flame wheels are a joke?

distant night
#

flame wheel with the right builds are a joke

nocturne ginkgo
#

just dash behind something and they blow up

distant night
#

but with the wrong one they suck the life out of you

nocturne ginkgo
#

if they run into anything they just explode

distant night
#

sometimes

nocturne ginkgo
#

you make two run into eachother or dash behind a corner

distant night
#

sometimes their AI laughs at that

nocturne ginkgo
#

idk I've never had a problem with flame wheels

languid plover
#

yeah i know, i haven't encountered problem with them too.

pliant sparrow
languid plover
#

what about with that pact which makes armored enemies do special something?

#

teleporting flame wheels for example

nocturne ginkgo
#

thats just funny

atomic lagoon
#

💀💀💀

languid plover
#

or with Forced Overtime

distant night
#

||BP - Benefits Package||?

nocturne ginkgo
#

Dang people really be trying to start drama here

distant night
languid plover
#

Drama on Not-So-Competitive single player game?

distant night
#

drama?

languid plover
#

well, whatever float your boat

distant night
#

only between theseus and zag

carmine ravine
#

i mean people already arguing about eris nerf

distant night
#

really? i thought it wasnt that bad?

carmine ravine
#

it doesnt matter, but speedrunners thout the buff should be reduced

languid plover
#

this one?

  • Adamant Rail (Eris Aspect): reduced duration of bonus damage effect
#

from 8 seconds to what?

brisk trail
#

4

molten nymph
#

4

distant night
#

huh i never saw any big arguements about the nerf only about why the nerf probably got implemented

carmine ravine
#

they asking for the buff to be 60%

#

not reduced duration

molten nymph
#

it punishes people that are new to the weapon but really doesnt affect the speedruns and high heats

#

the current nerf

pliant sparrow
distant night
#

all good again? :)

pliant sparrow
#

Yah :)

distant night
#

(btw what does dps actually stand for)

nocturne ginkgo
#

damage per second

distant night
#

that makes so much sense

#

i am flippin stupid omfg

carmine ravine
#

how can you not know this

distant night
#

i am not good with english gamer lingo and general abreviations

nocturne ginkgo
#

english is my first language and I'm not even good at words half the time

#

every day theres some new abbreviation that I don't know man

distant night
#

third language and i have the worst time trying to be gamer

#

all these abbreviations, not even urban dictionary helps

real edge
#

Is Spear Aspect of Hades any good?

distant night
#

it is

nocturne ginkgo
#

what is your favorite of the spears

manic bobcat
#

Hades

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then GY and Achilles tied

lyric vector
#

I got to 20 heat for my fists but now it says no more bounties remain for this weapon?

pliant sparrow
#

20 heat is the max bounty

lyric vector
#

Oh so I should just skip to 32 heat for the skelly thing

pliant sparrow
#

yah

#

if you can

lyric vector
#

Aight

pliant sparrow
#

i feel like theres a huge jump between 32 and 20

lyric vector
#

Lols

pliant sparrow
#

cuz you gotta start adding some of the tougher pacts that actually affect damage and healing

distant night
#

especially since the "safe" options are basically gone to level after 20

#

ahh i miss only having to put one TD to get rewards

lyric vector
#

F i love my fists what should I level up now :(

pliant sparrow
#

what weapon do u like best next?

lyric vector
#

Might use bow or rail

pliant sparrow
#

whats ur playstyle?

tough pivot
#

Kotaku article saying Hades was robbed for best direction.

#

👀

pliant sparrow
#

id say half life alyx or hades were robbed

#

since they were both pretty innovative in vr and roguelikes respectively

pliant sparrow
silver bone
#

Welp.

#

Died last run.

manic bobcat
#

yeah i think Half Life was best for innovation or best direction

#

then Hades

silver bone
#

Beat ||Charon|| on my first attempt ever though.

#

WORTH IT. XD

pliant sparrow
#

then best action / direction should have gone to GoT

#

since that award is focused on combat and puzzle gameplay

manic bobcat
#

as for the game award, what is done is done.

#

I didn't expect the Best Action at all, but hey, we got it

distant night
#

i feel bad for animal crossing

#

it carried everybody so hard the whole early year in lockdown

manic bobcat
#

I feel bad for many games lol. ACNH seems to be a good fun game especially during this pandemic.

#

yeah

distant night
#

everybody talked about it

pliant sparrow
#

did it win family game at least?

distant night
#

yeah

manic bobcat
#

but I don't have a Switch and have never played AC before so...

distant night
#

same, i guess it being singled out to one console makes it alot less accessable

pliant sparrow
#

what else could it have won?

manic bobcat
#

TLOU2

#

oh I read that as What else could have won family award

distant night
#

idk they couldve done a honorary "games that kept us sane in the pandemic"

#

not even full award, just a mention

#

its understandable that acnh isnt action, adventure or whatever more but it would have been very fitting to this year and a personal note everybody wouldve appreciated after the gobsmack of betrayal

#

and swimswims

pliant sparrow
#

i think game awards should have honored the goty nominees for their respective categories
doom eternal - action
animal crossing - family
GoT - action adventure
tlou2 - narrative
alyx - direction
hades - indie
ff7 - rpg

instead of doing a mainly full sweep towards tlou2

manic bobcat
#

Biggest winner of the night is definitely swim swim

distant night
#

i thought for a sec GoT was meant as Game of Thrones

bright nymph
#

Taking one small stupid piece of damage with Pierced Butterfly is so frustrating

manic bobcat
#

just don't get hit by those

distant night
#

fox you are fantastic

manic bobcat
#

no you are

distant night
#

gosh the positivity at 3am

pliant sparrow
#

(idk the interaction just reminded me of the breathtaking moment)

distant night
#

same

#

ahh game shows always come back with the best memes for centuries to come

#

if swimswim doesnt get fox to giggle 5 years from now, then this award show failed even in that

manic bobcat
#

I'll be back for next year game award

#

and ill remind people of the most powerful ad created

pliant sparrow
#

more like most powerful race created gamers rise up

distant night
#

wonder if juan will be a live stream game award thing too

next prawn
#

doing a fishing run is harder than beating the game h

tired sundial
#

Fists with demeter aspect is nice. Mainly because giga cutter does stupid damage

bright nymph
#

lfg i got my first escape with the spear

waxen juniper
#

Nice! Good job!

#

Also, what does ifg mean?

pliant sparrow
#

lfg = lets ****ing go

#

or looking for game

distant night
#

oh thats an L

waxen juniper
#

Ohhhhh! Thanks! Definitely didn't process that :p

#

Yea, that l is significant

#

Does upgrading demeter aspect make the special stronger?

pliant sparrow
#

no u only get more of them

waxen juniper
#

Well, I upgraded it, and I am only getting the charge once. It went away as soon as I specialed

pliant sparrow
#

yah u get a charge every 12 hits

#

charge = 5 specials per charge once maxed out

waxen juniper
#

Oh, so it technically specials twice in one charge

#

For the first upgrade anyways

brisk trail
#

yeah

waxen juniper
#

I think I understand why people like this aspect now :p

brisk trail
#

maxed it's 6 hits per chqrge

#

it's amazing

tired sundial
#

The charge is insanely powerful at max

#

Nice mix of speed and occasional burst damage

waxen juniper
#

Thoughts on kinetic launcher with demeter aspect?

#

I have it available, and it seems interesting

tired sundial
#

Stuff that makes special stronger massively improves the power too

brisk trail
#

never had it

waxen juniper
#

Plus, I need it for the prophecy

#

Alright, time to try it out!

tired sundial
#

Good luck

pliant sparrow
#

the only semi-"bad" hammer for special is rush kick

thick swallow
#

Launcher on Dem is a bit weird but solid

#

Rush Kick’s not even that bad imo

pliant sparrow
#

yah it just feels weird

thick swallow
#

It leads to awkward positioning tho

wide horizon
#

i like the ares's doom on special for charge cutter the most

pliant sparrow
#

draining cutter isnt that good either

brisk trail
#

i love rush kick

#

was surprised to find ppl don't like it

wide horizon
#

i like it fine

#

still dont know much of what people do and don't like im just now speaking to other hades players

waxen juniper
#

Okay, kinetic launcher is amazing with this!

#

I also had an erebus gate that gave me an epic phalanxe shot that does 109 damage in the first encounter.

#

This feels like a run!

pliant sparrow
#

athena dash is pretty solid with fists since ur so close to enemies

wide horizon
#

yea esp with blinding flash

pliant sparrow
#

with a merciful end build you can melt anything within seconds but its not exclusive to fists ig

tired sundial
#

My favorite dash is dionysus but then again everything dionysus is my favorite

wide horizon
#

me but with ares

#

but i assume thats pretty common

waxen juniper
#

Dio's probably my least used character right now

pliant sparrow
#

his fountain boon is op at any rarity for me

#

honestly just take him for that one boon xd if i see him

waxen juniper
#

Oh yeah, I'll always grab that if I'm not doing anything with his core boons

tired sundial
#

Conquer the underworld

#

With drunken revelry

waxen juniper
#

I couldn't help but notice that ||asterius is charging into Theseus||. But... I don't have charm active

gaunt glacier
#

Have they given any updates on when cross saves will be coming?

#

Or what changes were made on switch for the 1.36054 version?

prisma wind
#

Per the FAQ, there is currently no ETA. They are working to get it implemented as soon as possible

gaunt glacier
#

I'd seen that I just didn't know how current it is

prisma wind
#

It's still current shadesmile

waxen juniper
#

Alright, gonna try again with chaos shield. We'll see how it goes :/

#

Wait... does explosive return stack for each shield you catch with chaos shield?

prisma wind
#

No, just the main

waxen juniper
#

Interesting. I guess explosive return is just good

brisk trail
#

Idea: they should add zagereus pog as an emoji to this server

silk remnant
#

I'm guessing the TGA orchestra transition of Hades to Animal Crossing got shared here?? That transition is chefs kiss

waxen juniper
#

First win with chaos shield!!

bright nymph
#

Nice!

eternal pawn
#

God the ending music

#

if you know you know

nocturne ginkgo
#

There is not a single bad track in this game

waxen juniper
#

Does the Hera upgrade matter with Stygian soul?

nocturne ginkgo
#

I think it regens faster?

#

but I'm not sure

waxen juniper
#

So... apparently I was selling boons because I though underworld customs was on. Keyword: thought 😆

gaunt valley
#

dusa is adorable

carmine ravine
#

no

gaunt valley
#

youre wrong

#

yay i maxed the lounge

tired sundial
#

Give Cerberus the comfiest pillows

strange ember
#

Dusa is cute

wet frigate
#

True

thick swallow
#

Very true

keen cargo
heavy fossil
#

dusa xbouldy

wet frigate
#

Hes the cool uncle at the family gathering who lets you do all the stuff your parents dont let you do

strange ember
#

Hes the one who hands a toddler the knife

radiant estuary
#

Who would be the cool aunt though

granite ether
#

in a literal sense, Demeter

#

she's pretty chill klinkOP

narrow hemlock
#

hahahahaha

#

wight

radiant estuary
#

Like Artemis might come the closest but she seems like like the cool older sister

#

Athena is probably next-best and then you have Aphrodite and Demeter who honestly don't really come off that way

wet frigate
#

Demeter is that one grandma who is sort of strict but also nice and she just flips back and forth and you never know whats gonna happen

#

Aphrodite is the aunt that never shows up to anything and says she was too busy

#

So yeah probably Athena

nocturne ginkgo
#

Does poseidon not have the best damage scaling anymore? I remember they used to be really insane

tired sundial
#

Rupture is still incredibly powerful at least

pliant sparrow
#

splash dash requires poms to do decent damage

gaunt valley
#

i had a great run and then got shredded by the last boss

#

rip

#

:(

manic sky
#

I think that zeus is better for massive damage

gaunt valley
#

aphro is also good for damage

radiant estuary
#

It all depends on the attack in question

#

Aphrodite works best on ones that have high base damage, Zeus on ones with low base damage

brave dove
#

i have equipped thunder signet trying to get ||aspect of lucifer so i just die after i meet zeus but... I HAVE GOTTEN HAMMER 2 TIMES INA ROW >.<||

#

Best poseidon cast boon?

radiant estuary
#

As in the sword aspect?

waxen juniper
#

I am pretty sure that conversation won't happen in the first room

#

At least, it didn't for me

brave dove
#

@radiant estuary ye

noble salmon
#

Dusa is precious i love her

radiant estuary
#

I'm probably not the right person to ask about it but I'd say Flood Shot

#

Mostly for the good tracking and high AoE

#

Plus rupture

brave dove
#

aight

radiant estuary
#

And if you get the right Demeter boons along side it, you can get the Blizzard Shot duo and have it hit like mad

#

Alternitavely, you can go with Ares cast if you get the right boons for it, though it really requires Hunting Blades to shine the most

burnt canopy
#

i beat the game for my first time today

#

and a second time right after

#

epic win

cursive halo
#

noice

#

hey arent you from the falcom server @burnt canopy

burnt canopy
#

Yea

#

Hello

real edge
#

Nice work Moro

burnt canopy
#

Thx guys

real edge
#

What weapon did you use?

burnt canopy
#

First the bow then i tried out the fists for the first time

#

Also used one of the heat conditions

#

That made the first boss to be the 3 sisters

real edge
#

Wonderful choice

#

Bow is my favourite

burnt canopy
#

Yea i like it

#

I like all weapons so i just choose the one with bonus

real edge
#

I like most weapons

brisk trail
#

I like the gun

waxen juniper
#

Chaos Shield finally started to be nice to me, so I like that one now. The only one I really struggle with is ||Rama bow||

nocturne ginkgo
#

Yeah hidden bow can be fun But I don't think its "good"

#

though if you get the rapid fire and twin shot

#

it is funny

waxen juniper
#

I imagine it will be better when I upgrade it more

nocturne ginkgo
#

yeah I maxed it and it just wasn't for me but its certainly not bad

#

all the weapons feel unique man I could gush about this game forever

waxen juniper
#

Even the Zag aspects are great!

real edge
#

I prefer Chiron over the other aspects for Bow

waxen juniper
#

Seems like that is a common preference

real edge
#

its very easy lmao

nocturne ginkgo
#

yeah whenever I start a file I bee line for chiron

real edge
#

Hera is fun too

granite ether
#

zag bow feels incredible now with the recent buff imo

waxen juniper
#

Hera is fun. I had stygian soul festive fog with hera, and that was a blast!

real edge
#

That does crit chance increase right?

granite ether
#

yeah, from 10 to 15% at max level

real edge
#

Dam

nocturne ginkgo
#

yeah festive fog seems to be the best for a lot of cast builds

waxen juniper
#

Yea it does. So it's an attack heavy build

real edge
#

5% is massive

#

Festive Fog is my go-to cast

#

Either that or Demeter Crystals

waxen juniper
nocturne ginkgo
#

I love how SGG made the tutorial part of the gameplay and by that I mean they slowly show you new mechanics

#

you learn about the shielding crystals on the barge of death

#

you learn about shields from the greatshields before you fight thesius and theres just so many

real edge
#

Those damn crystals

#

I wish i could take the barge of death to work

nocturne ginkgo
#

cool things like that throughout the game that you aren't surprised by any mechanic

#

I mean with the global situation just take public transit its basically a barge of death rn

real edge
#

True

waxen juniper
#

I will say that Theseus would be incredibly difficult if he had the greatshield's attacks 😫

nocturne ginkgo
#

oh true but you aren't surprised by how his shield works

#

I guess is my point

waxen juniper
#

Yea, I definitely follow

nocturne ginkgo
#

Like I can't think of a single mechanic that pops up that wasn't explored at an earlier stage then made harder

waxen juniper
real edge
#

Opinion: ||I find EM3 Boss 3 easier than Normal Boss 3||

nocturne ginkgo
#

oh hard agree

waxen juniper
#

That's a common opinion

real edge
#

Its free heat

nocturne ginkgo
#

you aren't getting sniped from across the map every half second

waxen juniper
#

However, it's a bit tricky to get used to that fight.

nocturne ginkgo
#

the only em thats difficult minus 4

real edge
#

I hate em2

nocturne ginkgo
#

is probably 2 but even then em2 is faster than regular

real edge
#

too much lava

#

slam fist into desk

nocturne ginkgo
#

well don't stand in the spicy liquid

real edge
#

but then he throw more lava

burnt canopy
#

Guys what should i be focusing on rn after beating the game 2 times

nocturne ginkgo
#

One thing that I will always love about this game is that hypnos just roasts you every time you die

#

beating the game more

real edge
#

Interacting with characters and winning more

nocturne ginkgo
#

Theres still a ton of story to find

burnt canopy
#

What currency is more worth to focus in runs

waxen juniper
nocturne ginkgo
#

depends what you need

burnt canopy
#

The purple coins or the house stuff

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Or keys

nocturne ginkgo
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depends what you need

burnt canopy
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Aight

nocturne ginkgo
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like darkness if you haven't maxed mirror

real edge
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Get as many keys to unlock each weapon and get all mirror traits

waxen juniper
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Yep. Later down the line keys and gemstones are just used for the tradebroker

nocturne ginkgo
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gems if you want to finish the house contractor

brisk trail
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Now begin your long journey towards reuniting and reconciling every emotionally constipated prat that haunts the halls of the Underworld.

nocturne ginkgo
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keys if you want to unlock weapons/mirror

real edge
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The way I went about it is Keys -> Darkness -> Darkness/Gems

nocturne ginkgo
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ambrosia if you want more relationship

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and so there isn't a "this is what you need" answer

waxen juniper
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Keys is probably the wisest decision. Gemstones are also relevant for some required objectives

burnt canopy
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True

real edge
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I just recommend not buying gems off Charon

nocturne ginkgo
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I mean I do it sometimes

burnt canopy
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Why not

nocturne ginkgo
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I'm still able to hit 1200 by styx

real edge
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In the beginning*

waxen juniper
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Ambrosia takes a long time to be relevant. So if you wanna trade it for titan blood, then by all means

nocturne ginkgo
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realistically you want 1000-1200 by the 4th area so you can buy the diamond or the titans blood that charon offers

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cause its basically just a free big resource

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and he will always have either a diamond or titan blood in the shop

burnt canopy
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Ambrosia is the big nectar bottle?

real edge
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Yes

nocturne ginkgo
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yes

waxen juniper
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Yes

nocturne ginkgo
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yeah when i said ambrosia I meant the tiny ones

waxen juniper
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3 Yeses! You are going to the live show!

nocturne ginkgo
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which are actually nectar

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also with certain mirror upgrades you see a lot less gem/key/dark rooms

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which is nice

waxen juniper
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Ah yes. Nectar is definitely something worth grabbing

burnt canopy
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Thanks guys

nocturne ginkgo
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oh also read your prophecies and try to knock some out if you haven't

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its free resources and some of them you actually have to hunt for

burnt canopy
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Alright

brisk trail
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Yeah there's definitely lots to do after beating Hades

nocturne ginkgo
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||you start getting hiddens after first clear right?||

real edge
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there are some pre-reqs to it

nocturne ginkgo
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oh I know but isn't that one of them?

waxen juniper
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No. I do not believe so

real edge
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yes

nocturne ginkgo
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huh neat

real edge
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well

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||fighting final boss is a pre-req, not winning||

nocturne ginkgo
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Oh

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ok

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||I know about the blood and dialogue||

waxen juniper
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Well, it might be. But the ||5 titan blood for the weapon|| is what the game really cares about.

eternal pawn
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|||i wish i could hear that surface music every time i go up there :(||

nocturne ginkgo
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Truuuuue

real edge
nocturne ginkgo
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||let me visit the garden and take care of the flowers you cowards||

eternal pawn
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wwould pay $20 for gardening dlc

nocturne ginkgo
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oh yeah

tired sundial
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And a dedicated fishing mode

nocturne ginkgo
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gimme the poseidon fishing boon room 1

brisk trail
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I just wanna fish all day

nocturne ginkgo
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I refuse to believe there is only 1 fish per lake

tired sundial
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Take us to the fish-realm

waxen juniper
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So question. Do boon status effecs like hangover/doom increase their damage when your weapon gets a damage increase?

brisk trail
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I want to fish with Hades

waxen juniper
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So say you got a chaos boon that increases your special damage and you also have hangover on the special. Will that hangover damage increase due to the chaos boon?

molten nymph
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no

nocturne ginkgo
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I love that dad comments on a fish if you're lucky

waxen juniper
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Bummer :(

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So if hangover does 7 damage. Does it do 5 stacks of 7 damage every 0.2 seconds?
So 45 damage every 0.2 seconds?

nocturne ginkgo
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its .5 seconds

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5 stacks of 7 every .5

waxen juniper
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Oh. Not as good, but that is still quite powerful

nocturne ginkgo
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ares duo makes it .35

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aphro duo makes it 8 stacks every .5

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you can get both

waxen juniper
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I had ares+dio duo and dio legendary on one run today. that was a super cool run to do!

nocturne ginkgo
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oh I'm sure

waxen juniper
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So what does jolted do?

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I'm trying to learn the status effects a little more

nocturne ginkgo
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the next time an enemy attacks they get smacked

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so you hit with an electric attack then they get jolted and the next time that enemy starts the attack animation they get smacked for it

waxen juniper
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Ohhh, that makes sense. And how does chill work? I know it slows enemies down, but what does stacking chill do?

nocturne ginkgo
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as far as I know* stacking chill only matters if you get one of two boons "chill decay and does damage" or "10 stacks of chill makes them explode"

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I don't think stacking chill makes them slower

waxen juniper
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Okay. How strong would you say the weak effect is? It's hard to tell how potent it is when you're just smacking enemies in the face

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It's hard to tell just how significant weakening an enemy is for me

nocturne ginkgo
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weak only lowers the damage the enemies do

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however weak is really good because of the duo's paired with it

waxen juniper
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Like what?

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I got all the aphrodite duos, but I the weak related ones don't cross my mind right now

nocturne ginkgo
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aphro+dio is that weak enemies take more stacks of poison
aphro+ares is that weak enemies doom will keep hitting them for half damage every time

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so if your doom is 100 it hits for 100 then 50 then 25

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so on

waxen juniper
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Woah woah woah! What? Aphro+ares sounds insane!

nocturne ginkgo
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its very nice

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if you get the ares stacking doom boon

waxen juniper
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Ohhh, I see what you are saying. That is still very good

nocturne ginkgo
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oh aphro+artemis is weak enemies take more crit damage

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or are more susceptible to crits

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I forget which

waxen juniper
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Do you know what percentage "weak" lowers enemies attack?

nocturne ginkgo
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not sure tbh

granite ether
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30% from memory

nocturne ginkgo
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but there is an aphro boon that makes weak enemies take more damage as well

waxen juniper
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Yes. And her legendary is also just completely stupid

nocturne ginkgo
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her legendary is funny

waxen juniper
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30% is a decent chunk. Especially on the big hitters

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And how much extra damage does a critical hit do?

nocturne ginkgo
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15%

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no

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200

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15% chance

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200%

waxen juniper
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So it doubles the damage?

nocturne ginkgo
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also if you hover boons it has a little popout that tells you this stuff

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in case you didn't know

waxen juniper
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Yea, but it's almost 3 am and I don't plan on playing the game right now :p

nocturne ginkgo
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uh I think its 200% on top of your normal damage

waxen juniper
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Oh, that's ridiculous

nocturne ginkgo
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I THINK*

waxen juniper
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So pretty much all the gods have some very powerful abilities

nocturne ginkgo
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yep

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there is not a bad god to do a build for

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though obviously some work better on certain weapons

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dionysus sword special is going to be worse than chiron bow special

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kinda thing

waxen juniper
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Dionysus special and Chiron seem like 2 peas in a pod.

nocturne ginkgo
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They are really fun together

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its my go to build

waxen juniper
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Now that I understand what Dionysus' hangover effect actually does, I understand why he can be very good.

One last question, for the boon that stacks doom, does the stack have to be from a different type of attack?
Or if you had doom on chiron's special, it'd stack all the shots.
I'm guessing the latter, but I just want to verify

molten nymph
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the latter

nocturne ginkgo
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and it doesn't "Stack" the doom damage

opal magnet
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should i ||steal from chrion again?||

nocturne ginkgo
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its like +14 damage per extra stack of doom

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always

waxen juniper
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So that's why the doom stacking boon and the (doom deals more damage but takes longer to activate) synergize well with each other. You have more time to stack the doom.

viral tusk
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How to ||steal from chiron?||

nocturne ginkgo
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||charon and he leaves a money bag for you||

opal magnet
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i got hangover special

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on shield

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so i could kite

waxen juniper
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Which one? Hangover on Zeus Aspect is spicy

opal magnet
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yeah

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that

waxen juniper
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Enjoy the spice!

opal magnet
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but

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idk if i wanna waste my bonus death defiance, as i have stubborn

waxen juniper
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Why would you?

nocturne ginkgo
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be stubborn and waste it

waxen juniper
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Ooo, one final question. What does decay do?

nocturne ginkgo
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in what context