h1-discussion

[manic bobcat]

No one here knows tbh. SGG is very quiet on giving you an exact date.

Hell when 1.0 came out it was kind of a silent drop

No promise, no announcement until the day of.

So it happens when it happens, I guess.

[blissful stirrup]

Ah well 🤷‍♂️ guess I'll have to wait for the infinite theme a while longer

[manic bobcat]

very fitting that

[pliant sparrow]

whats the best theme to get?

[old valve]

I really like Infinite and Sonorous

[blissful stirrup]

Didn't even realize that 😄

[carmine ravine]

infinite got its own galaxy background

which is nice

[old valve]

yeah that's hard to beat

[blissful stirrup]

jup

[distant night]

btw to whoever said "Hades is a singleplayer" there are more than enough competitive players that run against each other, also you compete with yourself for the highest heat/fastest run, so having one weapon massively outshine 23 other aspects is a real big deal, isnt it? why else use the other way lesser weapons when you can just breeze by with one? sure you can "challenge" yourself by deciding to give yourself the "worse weapon (aspect)" but that isnt ballanced

[carmine ravine]

its still a singleplayer, dont sweat it with technicalities

[pliant sparrow]

do the themes only affect the victory screen or

[manic bobcat]

"Hades is a singleplayer" there are more than enough competitive players that run against each other, also you compete with yourself for the highest heat/fastest run, so having one weapon massively outshine 23 other aspects is a real big deal, isnt it?
It is. The devs decided that it is a singleplayer game.

[old valve]

they affect when you press the boon info button too

[blissful stirrup]

also changes the "check boon" screen

[pliant sparrow]

also rip gonna take a while to get enough darkness

[manic bobcat]

Eris is strong. But Eris was nerf because it was strong, not because it was dominating the competitive scene. A subtle difference there.

[night rampart]

From what I've heard from other games/developers, patching on Switch/consoles in general can be a huge pain/process, so in my opinion SGG probably wants to hold off on patching Switch until the X-saves feature is done, AND they think the content patches are done overall, so they don't have to go through the patch-approval process again.

Just speculation though

[pliant sparrow]

doesnt seem like eris nerf is that much of a nerf tbh

[trail forge]

how much does abyssal blood give now?

[blissful stirrup]

seems to make sense

[trail forge]

lmao how much was it reduced

[somber quest]

abyssal is +1% every rank for a total of 5

[pliant sparrow]

the dps isnt reduced at all

its just buff time

but that doesnt really matter since you spam special anyways

[trail forge]

30% max now then?

[carmine ravine]

erif buff duration is now more consistent with other aspects

[somber quest]

think so yeah

[pliant sparrow]

the 75% overall dps buff is still really op

[blissful stirrup]

agreed

[pliant sparrow]

and you still keep the buff duration up the whole time

[trail forge]

6 second buff now?

[old valve]

the keepsake change might be way more relevant for speedrunning, if we want to talk about that aspect of the game.

[manic bobcat]

I mean Racing people don't care because they have ban/pick systems.
Speedrunning is a bit of a conundrum. But by definition, they should adapt to the game, not vice verse.
Changes then should be made for the masses' enjoyment (aka usage balancing, which I believe has been doing).

[pliant sparrow]

cuz u spam special and walk underneath it the whole time

[old valve]

4 seconds

[carmine ravine]

4

[trail forge]

oh thats pretty major rip

[pliant sparrow]

u still spam special every 2 seconds tho so

[manic bobcat]

I mean Zag Sword can make do with 3s.

4s is fine tbh.

[mint hawk]

yeah it's pretty irrelevant imo

[trail forge]

havent maxed out either so idk lel

[timid trout]

Has on anyone gotten the update on Epic yet?

[mint hawk]

much less fire-and-forget so that's a good change in my book

[trail forge]

is hestia more viable now?

[carmine ravine]

evne if eris got nerfed hard, speedrunners will move to a mor 'broke' aspect and there will be another uproar and so on, balancing is hard

[pliant sparrow]

the real big nerf is to the sigil keepsake

[mint hawk]

i love hestia honestly

oh how many charges is sigil now?

[trail forge]

i thought sigil was nerfed

[somber quest]

thought sigil was a nerf

[mint hawk]

did they stick with 2?

[pliant sparrow]

*nerf

[carmine ravine]

sigil got 2 charge, ez to get unseen

[mint hawk]

oof that's brutal

but deserved imo

[somber quest]

it still charges the same tho right?

[trail forge]

oobs

[pliant sparrow]

how much did they change the dps on the sigil?

[mint hawk]

yeah i believe it charges the same

it just makes it less spammy

[carmine ravine]

ez to get full bar, unseen is better than normal charge

[trail forge]

o

[blissful stirrup]

how long does the sigil last with two stacks?

[carmine ravine]

same i guess

[hasty hinge]

I think I broke the game somehow?

[blissful stirrup]

Oh wow, thats super strong

[hasty hinge]

I keep hearing audio glitches

[pliant sparrow]

before it was like a 2 second flat buff right?

[trail forge]

man i had one crappy run with it and havent touched it since lmao

[pliant sparrow]

and now theyre finally fixing it until first strike?

[mint hawk]

do you have it upgraded all the way?

[trail forge]

nah

[mint hawk]

it was my first h32 clear

[trail forge]

i think i only have one level actually lmao

[mint hawk]

i was sniping for consistent 500+ damage each shot

[distant night]

thats why i said that about ballancing eris with the 23(!!) other aspects that it outshines massively.

even in singleplayer it's unballanced. but also saying that the weapons dont need nerfs because "hades is a singleplayer" is just not logical, based on the huge competitive scene and that even singleplayer games' weapons get nerfed. especially rogue-likes/rogue-lites

[mint hawk]

yeah it felt pretty bad to use before i upgraded it fully

[blissful stirrup]

for hestia its a really big difference

[somber quest]

i dont play exagryph that much is there a hammer that increases reload speed?

[pliant sparrow]

no

[trail forge]

what boons does it even synergize with besides artemis

[carmine ravine]

thats like saying nerfing BFG is a must

[trail forge]

hestia i mean

[mint hawk]

would be pretty bad for this game, since passive reload is so strong

[distant night]

sadly no, but you can still use special or cast while reloading to make up for the time

[plain crag]

so since the last update is the last PC update, does that mean we will not get switch cross save?

[mint hawk]

it's the last pc update for the year

[plain crag]

oh good

[mint hawk]

i think they're just not rushing out anything in the 2 weeks before christmas break and stuff

[distant night]

bfg? big friendly giant?

[carmine ravine]

oh no

[knotty aurora]

big flappy gello

[brisk trail]

big f word-ing gun?

[manic bobcat]

My stance is that for single player games, it's better to be "nerf-averse," not no nerf at all.

[distant night]

sry i never heard of that acronym or am just really tired to remember

[manic bobcat]

I used to argue for Spreadfire not being nerf, and I stand by it.

It should be a case by case basis. But SGG knows best.

(Hopefully)

[idle basin]

Not available for me either

[carmine ravine]

nerfing wep all across the board is the main reason most games have bullet sponges so ppl dont care abt balancing

[granite ether]

They're not available atm on epic due to a service outage @idle basin

[idle basin]

I see

[granite ether]

The #hades-patch-notes where updated to reflect this not long ago

[idle basin]

Well....I'm doing the last unpatched run than (not that I really don't like the changes)

Ahhh thx
Didn't check this again

[manic bobcat]

Is Switch still on September patch?

[hearty fossil]

No cross save

[distant night]

the only weapon that just really obliterated the lines in Hades is Eris Rail, really visible on how many players (and speedrunners) prefer it over every single other weapon and aspect. i dont think that there is any need to nerf every weapon, they all seem pretty balanced with each having their advantages and disadvantages just Eris is special and needs to be brought down a bit :)
(anyways what was bfg meant to mean again?)

[brisk trail]

Supergiant Games should add Apollo as a Olympian/God

[old valve]

when the final meta settles, and the "strongest" aspect is on average 7 seconds faster than the second best, speerunners going for WR will still play nothing else, it's a moot point

[carmine ravine]

you forgot thw fact that most of the related game syatems doesnt encourage the usage for a single wep alone

[distant night]

amen

[somber quest]

yes please

[broken sonnet]

where does one submit feedback that hopefully eventually becomes a patch note?

[distant night]

elaborate please?

[old valve]

plus, there's sub 8 minutes for every aspect in the game almost.. Eris is stronger when you get Cluster Rocket and every thing else absolutely perfect, but Zag rail (of all things.....) is 45 seconds slower on the leaderboard only

[distant night]

bow never gets used in speedruns too

[old valve]

except everything high heat ever?

[real edge]

I wish it did ;-;

[distant night]

before the shine of eris, bow was only mentioned 3 times on the speedru board

[remote forge]

Hazard Bomb Eris needs to be nerfed

[distant night]

it's just not fast ;-;

[real edge]

;-;

[distant night]

whats your fasted bow time Sir gamma?

[remote forge]

Also idk how many of you saw Amir call Haelian to give him ish over using the hazard bomb in the smallest room in the game on a no-hit run.

But it was hilarious.

[real edge]

i think like 19 minutes

[zealous wyvern]

wtf

I got a question
Introduction: with a thorough explanation of the issue and any important/related terms or details
( for a ppt )
like i put definition as an introduction
i am confused on wtf that slide is
or its a normal intro
with bunch of fact and so on

can smn1 help pls

[real edge]

but my fastest overall is only 16 minutes, i got the game 4 days ago

[distant night]

o.o you are a fast lad

[real edge]

16 minutes was a crit based fist run

with i think electric grape fog+jolted

[distant night]

my fastest bow is 30mins i think and i have 200+h in the game

[real edge]

That's okay tho! As long as you're getting clears that is the main thing

[distant night]

agreed but its just bow that jsut.... kicks the timer

everything else, sub 20 or by 20, just le bow

[real edge]

I reckon the ||second aspect|| is the best for bow

I consider it as an S Tier

[old valve]

checkout a hidden aspect build with zeus special maybe, it's pretty speedy

[distant night]

hera was my favorite so far, really liked it with phanlax or electric shot but without any cast the bow is a bit too slow it feels?

[carmine ravine]

i do like hidden bow

[uncut trout]

Hades Best game 2020 Close this channel no more discussion

[carmine ravine]

my fastest run witb hidden bow is like 16m i think

[uncut trout]

My fastest was whit the shield like 29 min

[old valve]

I'm approaching sub 10 with a few weapons.. trying for sub 10 and 32-40 heat on all weapons, pimping out the victory screen

it's quite difficult..

[carmine ravine]

my fastest is funnily enuf is with hidden fist, 15m

low heat tho so

[zealous spade]

I really really hope hades will win game of the year...

i mean,, come on..

[carmine ravine]

either hades, GoT or some bs abt TLOU2

[distant night]

i already voted for hades in all categories in the non-steam game of the year awards... the otehr choices honestly didnt even ring a bell except for the occasional animal crossing or ff7

[brisk trail]

GoT i heard was good

not that i have a ps to play it

[fresh nebula]

GoT?

[brisk trail]

but we votin hades

[carmine ravine]

ghost

[brisk trail]

tsushima

[manic bobcat]

Ghost of something

[brisk trail]

of

[fresh nebula]

Oh

[feral urchin]

Toast of Tsushima

[manic bobcat]

votes is decided 90% by a panel

[fresh nebula]

Thought you meant that Game of Thrones mobile game 😆

[distant night]

toast.

[manic bobcat]

which means TLOU2 will likely win.

[brisk trail]

oop

[manic bobcat]

not that it's a bad thing

but keep your expectation in check. though Hades for best indie imo is a given

[brisk trail]

there will most def be salt

[carmine ravine]

i mean technically hades is 2018

[vital sparrow]

my game froze

[manic bobcat]

already is

[winter harbor]

indie isn't really a genre

[vital sparrow]

what do i do i am at the boss fight

[manic bobcat]

reset

[winter harbor]

how can something be better at being an indie game compared to another?

[manic bobcat]

if you are feeling frisky

you can recover it

[winter harbor]

so I think hades is a lock for best indie

[manic bobcat]

but at your own risk

[vital sparrow]

how do i recover

dude i have a black screen

[distant night]

who the heck would voluntarily chose tlou2 as winner in any category?

[feral urchin]

people who like the game

duh

[distant night]

it was such a downfall in comparison to tlou

[feral urchin]

is it because joel died

[distant night]

partly because of that yes

but still so many complained about the game as it is

[winter harbor]

spoilers

[feral urchin]

everyone knows now

[distant night]

(not for hades so we're in the clear lol)

[feral urchin]

because everyone talked about it on release

[distant night]

legit everybody complained about the game

[brisk trail]

nah, it's got some fans

[manic bobcat]

1. Reset computer or whatever.
2. Go to Documents/Saved Games/Hades
3. Assuming you are on Profile 1, find a file called Profile1_temp.sav
4. Rename Profile1_temp.sav to Profile2.sav or whichever slot you have open.
5. Reload the game on profile 2.
6. In the progress do not overwrite anything. You might lose your save this way. Don't blame me. (Just use an open slot).
   @vital sparrow

[distant night]

even lets-play channels who usually smear honey around the game developers mouth to get their next game pre-release

[fresh nebula]

I have been really enjoying Hades but I feel like that after your first completed run there is a conflict of interest

[carmine ravine]

the probalem with tlou2 isnt abt the gfx or gameplay, gameplay is generic, the problem is the narrative ,for a narrative based game, is bad

[brisk trail]

conflict of interest? how so?

[fresh nebula]

Well you want to progress the story right? But at the same time you want upgrade stuff

[feral urchin]

so do both

[manic bobcat]

yeah I don't see how that's mutually exclusive

[distant night]

you dont miss that much through dying less

in the end you still die and the story progresses

[wind nest]

Tlou really isn’t as fun as hades imo. Hades is just a more fun game. Doesn’t ask you to do so much emotional lifting

[fresh nebula]

Because technically you could do all required runs at heat 0 with the same weapon

[carmine ravine]

you kinda want to die a lot for story kek

[brisk trail]

they're super different so not really worth a comparison

[manic bobcat]

Triple A vs Indie

not even a TLOU2 thing

[wind nest]

Well people have to pick for the game awards right?

[distant night]

is it possible to get the epilogue with no maxed gods?

[manic bobcat]

Yes, but not you

[wind nest]

Imagine if they won the game awards that they announced the game at 2 years ago

[brisk trail]

nop

[distant night]

i mean you need ambrosia for that, and for that you need to invest heat

thanks!

[manic bobcat]

90% of the vote is reserved for a panel

the rest 10% is popular vote.

[carmine ravine]

i mean even when ND got the controversy about crunch they syill wom the best dev award like what

[distant night]

so you still need to invest some heat

[fresh nebula]

Oh I thought you just had to escape x amount of times

[distant night]

nope

only for the first end

[fresh nebula]

Fair

[brisk trail]

You actually get exactly 6 Ambrosia for beating the Heroes with every weapon.

[distant night]

any other conflicts left?

[brisk trail]

that would be super dope

if it happened

[carmine ravine]

6 x 21 ambrosia if u count heat

[brisk trail]

Right, but we were discussing if it were possible to do it without Heat, and it is.

[distant night]

you get 126 ambrosia in the whole game???

[brisk trail]

Guaranteed.

[wind nest]

Through bounties yeah

[brisk trail]

Can always trade for more from the Broker.

[carmine ravine]

nope, prophecy gib more

[brisk trail]

Oh yeah, and that.

[fresh nebula]

Not really I suppose

[manic bobcat]

fishing and styx shop, too

[distant night]

there are other story aspects (like romance) that need a ton of ambrosia

[carmine ravine]

broker is big grind, only grind for ranks

[brisk trail]

No Ambrosia in Styx, just Diamonds and Titan Blood.

[fresh nebula]

The only weapons I have not got a victory with is the bow and the fists

[carmine ravine]

u get more than enuf ambrosia from prophecy, unless u want themes and fully upgraded keepsakes

[distant night]

for ambrosia from broker you need two diamonds...

who in their right mid would trade that

[carmine ravine]

u dont use diamonds much either

so

[fresh nebula]

Can’t you fish it?

[carmine ravine]

yes

[distant night]

well your loss, i have a whole album by orpheus and eurydice to enjoy

the fishes are rare

[carmine ravine]

you can fish for rarw resources when u reach that certain area

[wind nest]

At some point you run out of good uses for diamonds

[distant night]

the fishes that give ambrosia/titan blood/diamonds are all in the overworld, gl getting those

[wind nest]

You can also turn 2 diamonds into titan blood because you can turn ambrosia in titan blood but not vice versa at the broker

[distant night]

the amount of diamonds you need to have no need for them is insane tho

[carmine ravine]

not rly

[quiet gull]

If you dont care about music in game all taht much, diamonds soon turn worthless

[distant night]

32 alone for the important house contractor deals

without music

only the first page stuff

[carmine ravine]

u get diamonds from prophecies

[quiet gull]

Yeah, quite a bit of them in fact

[distant night]

*42 if you count the decorative theme

28 dias for house decor

68 dias for music

[winter harbor]

Some house decor has other functions too

That fountain was worth it

[distant night]

you only get 23 dias max if you dont increase the heat through prophecies

thats not enought to get all the important first page house contractor jobs

[indigo nest]

Is it just me or did the damage taken get slightly higher

Just in general

[floral merlin]

Can someone confirm for me - does the newest patch include Switch cross save support or no?

[frank ridge]

Would love to know that as well

[flat vapor]

This update is for the PC / Mac version of Hades; its improvements will come to the Nintendo Switch version at later date.

not sure on whether cross saves will be added though

[rough mica]

do they have tentative release date for cross-save between pc and switch ver.?

[flat vapor]

pretty sure switch is still stuck on the september patch

[cedar imp]

what does the secret keepsake change mean in the patch notes

does it mean less time to charge it

or just less uses

[flat vapor]

uh, they used to have a "date" in being "in october" but later rescinded it for an "in the future"

[floral merlin]

le sigh. I bought a second copy of the game on switch because I didn't want to be chained to this computer desk any more than I have to, working from home 🙂

and current patch is going to be the "final patch for the year" so RIP

[frank ridge]

Same hahahaha

[flat vapor]

i assume they mean ||less uses per full god guage||

[cedar imp]

i see

[flat vapor]

when the patch hits egs i'll have to go in and check

[somber quest]

yeah its 2 instead of 4

[flat vapor]

i assume they're gonna pack all the missing switch updates into one update bc of how nintendo works?

they're likely to put cross saves into that update if they have it done

[brisk trail]

Anyone a dead cells player?

how do you compare hades to dead cells?

[floral merlin]

I've played DC a ton

beating either for the very first time is probably a similar difficulty level. DC difficulty ramps up in much bigger steps, compared to what hades gives you, which is more incremental. Hades has more interesting strategic decisions throughout each run. DC has a MASSIVE variety of weapons and abilities to unlock, but progression during a run isn't as interesting, more like, find a new weapon, replace your old one if it fits your build, sell it if it doesn't.

[latent python]

The announcement says it's expected to be the final PC patch for the year, so there's some hope for a Switch update still. Though if Switch updates are still pending cross save, that'd seem to imply a parallel PC patch would be needed, so the hope I guess is a Switch patch with just the existing balance, bugfix, etc. changes.

[brisk trail]

They are extremely different games.

[floral merlin]

Yeah, I'd say what they have in common is clean combat controls, limited healing, pressing the dodge/dash button at the right time, and lots of replay value 🙂 DC is more about exploring the procedurally generated maps, while Hades is more about assembling a synergistic build as you progress through the levels.

[brisk trail]

Hades' builds are much much more complicated.

[stable meadow]

Hades but

[brisk trail]

I stopped playing dead cells because I kept dying to the final boss

[stable meadow]

You escape from Olympus as Persephone

If you keep trying you will get it eventually

You will learn to dodge its attacks

[brisk trail]

yeah but I didnt feel motivated

[stable meadow]

Or do you mean true true final boss

[brisk trail]

the dude with the giant double blade

[stable meadow]

Ok

[brisk trail]

was just dying to his summons

not fun

[stable meadow]

I beat 0bc and 1bc in two runs

Like in a row

[brisk trail]

cool

[stable meadow]

It was probably like 200th attempt

On my hundreth or more for 2bc

[brisk trail]

I do not have nearly enough patience for that

my favorite runs were the ones where I got the frying pan

[stable meadow]

I dont have patience i have a lot of time to waste

Also thats how i beat 0 and 1bc

But im more of a meatskewer guy

[brisk trail]

lmao it's so satisfying to whale on enemies, parry them, then continue

[stable meadow]

I prefer to dodge through with a weapon attack

Since i die when i use shields because i suck

At timing

But rip tactics

[honest zephyr]

so this is the 2nd time I've had this happen. i popped a treasure trove ( where u pop it and u have to kill X amount of enemies and the faster u do it the bigger the reward) for health, and both times i over healed by quite a bit ( like the hp i got took past my max, and i think this has something to do with it) and i also got a free nectar... does anyone know how much u have to overheal by to have this happen? ( free nectar is always good)

[distant night]

"In addition to its intended reward, an Infernal Trove can drop a Nectar at a rate of 5% when all the spawned enemies are killed. "

it doesnt seem to matter if you overheal

[severe saddle]

No word on the Switch update?

[old valve]

doesn't have to be hp either

[somber quest]

troves can drop nectar? ive never gotten one

[distant night]

well 5% is really rare, do you pop many troves?

[honest zephyr]

ok cool thnx Angel, so total coincidence i got it on 2 overheals.

and yea i had happen twice in like 40 runs... so umm

doesnt happen often

[distant night]

same for me, i thought you only got them when you set a record because i always got nectars when i got over 100 health/obols, but then i got one when i just got 16 health lol and read in the wiki that its rng :)

[somber quest]

i just hit 100 runs, i usually get at least one per run

[brisk trail]

5% isn't bad

any terraria players in chat

[somber quest]

ye

[distant night]

so you couldve gotten 5 nectars... maybe try forcing some troves, i also got over 100 runs and only 4 nectars

[somber quest]

and tbh its possible i got one and just didnt notice

[brisk trail]

I almost never go for troves and ive gotten like 2 nectar

probably because I always have tight deadline on

[honest zephyr]

i had terria, misty, im still not done with hades, but i'll puy that for pc if u teach me how to play that game.... i played it on ps4 like a year ago when i had PS now so i was paying like 10 bucks a month to stream game, but IIRC that's only like 20 bucks, and like it looks kinda cool, i just have no idea where to even start lol

[distant night]

the troves seem to really like you misty

[honest zephyr]

so like not tonight maybe next week 😆

[brisk trail]

u can get terraria for like 5 dongers

its almost always on sale

[wheat warren]

good deal

[somber quest]

yea its cheap and very fun

[distant night]

i wanna play terraria, got is as gift but have no idea what to do when i get in ._.

[real edge]

I do every trove I see unless they give health

[honest zephyr]

same angel same... lol

[wheat warren]

chop tree

[brisk trail]

prob best value for my buck ever https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/328246239160434691/783481268893122560/unknown.png

[distant night]

and nobody wants to explain to me

[real edge]

Or if I’m going for a very good time

[distant night]

and afterwards?

[brisk trail]

make sord

[distant night]

mine ore?

[brisk trail]

yeah

[hexed smelt]

guys

[brisk trail]

oh yeah

[hexed smelt]

this isn't #terraria-discussion

[brisk trail]

#h1-discussion

[distant night]

but then what, after 2h of chopchop and mine mine? :c

[brisk trail]

my b lmao yall wanna move to #video-games

[wheat warren]

mine

[real edge]

I like chop for sword upgrade

I feel like it works well if you like up a bunch of enemies without shields

[carmine plover]

[somber quest]

big chop best upgrade

all you need in life

[brisk trail]

personally not a fan but i see the appeal

[honest zephyr]

im done spar, but like off topic for 3 min doesn't hurt anyone. 😛 but yea there is an #video-games in here

[opaque nexus]

New Achilles spear feels so good

[plush citrus]

i'm only on about hmm 25 runs or so but does anyone else find the nectar vs ambrosia drop rate kinda off? maybe it's my fault because i'm giving away the nectar with no real strat to it

[wheat warren]

ive done well over 50 runs now and have been really unlucky with getting nectar rooms

[somber quest]

once you start getting to the point where you can use ambrosia you need a bunch of it

[distant night]

you get a bunch through fishing in elysium

[pliant sparrow]

plus u gotta turn up heat

[winter harbor]

Chaos always offers me their legendary when there’s no way I can survive past the curse

So it doesn’t count for the prophecy

[brisk trail]

after you're done with the first pane of contracts, are the rest of the contracts purely cosmetic?

[plush citrus]

oh thanks everyone! yeah i do feel i've been unlucky, and i didn't know that about fishing in elysium thanks @distant night. does the heat change the nectar drops? i've been steadily turning up the heat and getting ambrosia consistently for it, but not so much nectar

[brisk trail]

just buy nectar from the trade desk for keys

[distant night]

heat doesnt change nectar drops, if you get desperate go for double key rooms to trade with the broker!

[brisk trail]

10 gems gives one key, 5 keys per nectar

[somber quest]

just get the poseidon and chaos gem buff and go ham

[brisk trail]

it's easy to buy like 10 netar per run

[past pollen]

tfw i purge zeus legendary and no trophy

[honest zephyr]

i got a question about Merciful End: Your attacks that can Deflect immediately activate Doom effects.
Doom Combo Damage: 40
that's all the wiki gives me and im wondering about some specifics about this interaction, i just got it, i beat hydra with it, fast i may add, but i here's how i think it works... my dash and special both deflect, if i hit a monster with those they take the dmg, but what i deflect their attack back into them without hitting them with my attack? will that trigger it too?

[past pollen]

[plush citrus]

tysm for the help @brisk trail, @distant night and @somber quest !!

[distant night]

sure thing :)

[honest zephyr]

that sucks rex, i got that on accident today doing the Poseidon fish effect, i wanted to 400 g i didn't know it was an achievement,

[flat vapor]

you need to specifically hit the doomed enemy with the deflective attack, not a deflected one

[brisk trail]

one gem room is worth more than a key room

[flat vapor]

it has to come from zagreus, basically

[honest zephyr]

thanks onyx

[flat vapor]

👍

[somber quest]

do gem rooms give 5 or 10 i cant remember

[brisk trail]

I think they give 10 plus bonus

[latent python]

Regular gem rooms are 5, iirc. Darkness is 10.

[brisk trail]

oh you're right

it's more with bonus for sure.

[latent python]

Yea those are just the base numbers

[real edge]

Chop chop

[latent python]

Dark thirst and chaos/poseidon will up that

[brisk trail]

i always run dark thirst for now until I'm done with gems and mirror

[somber quest]

that last mirror perk

[real edge]

It comes in handy

[brisk trail]

is the sack ever in the first room?

Kill me

[somber quest]

i dont think it can be in the first room no

but it can and will be in the fifth room when you're on really good pace

[flat vapor]

sack is only ever in tunnels 2-5

[real edge]

Lmao

[reef mango]

Anyone know how bad the rail nerf is

[flat vapor]

4 sec now instead of 8 sec boost

[manic bobcat]

It's a "nerf."

[somber quest]

its not too bad you just need to use your special a bit more

[flat vapor]

which is like, people well-versed in the weapon already refresh the boost constantly

[manic bobcat]

I looked at some high heat/speedrun runs are they spam special almost on cooldown. 4s limit would hardly be a problem imo.

[flat vapor]

just a bit more of a learning curve

[manic bobcat]

For normal play, maybe your playstyle is different, but on Eris I also spam special like a monkey so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tulip fossil]

ive never used it so i dont know but what does god mode do exactly

[somber quest]

it gives you damage reduction starting at 20% and increasing when you die up to 80%

[flat vapor]

gives you 20% damage resistance up front, +2% every time you die

80% cap

[chilly iron]

Is there any info on when the switch version is going to get updates? I think we're still on 1.0.36054

[ionic granite]

any word on cross save?

[manic bobcat]

Later date.

[next prawn]

where does the game store your saves?

[long turtle]

The FAQ says it's stored in Documents\Saved Games\Hades

[lethal socket]

bruh skelly works for ||boatman||

[somber quest]

oh no i clicked on that without thinking

[rough token]

Bug Fixes

• Fixed an old, elusive issue that sometimes caused text keywords to appear in the w r o n g f o n t
  

[manic bobcat]

yeah thank god for that lol

stuck out like an eyesore

[tepid yacht]

yep, what @manic bobcat said. there should be more info on this and other post-launch questions in #hades-faq

[real sapphire]

any chance of a steam achievement for the 32 heat skelly prize?

[manic bobcat]

Probably not tbh

Greg said that they don't want any achievement to be locked behind a skill wall or something along those line.

I believe that this is in relation to 32 heat also.

[rough token]

#ask-supergiant message

in fact, specifically about the || 32-heat || prize

[green maple]

guys uh

what might be a nice heat buildup for 9 heat

benefits package no longer seems free when they pair up with other heat powers

[rough token]

I'd ask in #h1-builds-and-combat

[cobalt tendon]

is there a place where i can see previous run stats?

[molten nymph]

||the archive room, right next to where thanny usually stands||

[latent python]

^ needs to be unlocked first though

[plush citrus]

^IIRC cost 2 diamond to unlock too if that's any help

[brisk trail]

Once you have it, it has all your runs. It's awesome.

[warped iron]

Is it intentional that Hermes Swift Strike doesn't affect your Dash-Strike speed, eg charge speed for the bow?

It seems rather dumb to me that the bow's dash-strike doesn't charge faster if you pick up swift strike

[swift edge]

Hey everyone I was wondering if anyone had any tips on how I can speed up the rate at which I farm nectar?

[distant night]

fishing in elysium is the only way to farm wy more nectar

[long turtle]

after beating the game I think you can up difficulty to multiply rewards too

[distant night]

else you have a 5% chance of getting a nectar bottle from treasure troves, but it's really inconsistent

[long turtle]

not sure if that applies to nectar tho

[molten nymph]

dio has one boon that gives you nectar

[distant night]

it sadly doesnt apply to nectar

[long turtle]

nectar is a bit of a pain to farm

[molten nymph]

and make nectar room double as a centaur heart room

[long turtle]

it only shows up about once a run for me, twice if I pick up the dio boon

also I have a bad habit of

I always have an npc in mind to give nectar to

[distant night]

yeah nectar and keys usually only spawn in tartarus, asphodel max

[long turtle]

and they NEVER show up after runs

so the one time I give up and give it to another random npc to fill out the items

[distant night]

who is it?

[long turtle]

that npc is suddenly there again

Nyx

also I keep missing Thanatos

because I instinctively talk to him before gifting nectar

and then he poofs away

[molten nymph]

...i am terrorized by silver laurels in tartarus and asphodel

[long turtle]

also megaera

[molten nymph]

maybe its not a bad idea to suicide in hydra then?

[long turtle]

those 3 like never show up for me for some reason

[distant night]

thanatos will only be back at the house if you find him on your run, but even then he might have an audience with hades or be too busy with the war going on above

[long turtle]

and the few times they do I am out of nectar xD

ahh makes sense

[distant night]

if you have the lounge meg should be there about 70% of the time?

[long turtle]

I've got lounge

she's just not there much

[distant night]

huh

maybe beat her more often

[long turtle]

or when she is she's discussing so I can't talk/give her nectar directly

[distant night]

ohhh

idk about nyx tho, she should rarely ever leave her place before her prophecy is fullfilled

[long turtle]

maybe I'm just unlucku

to be fair I've also only done like 10-12 runs

[distant night]

or i missed a patch, havent played as much the last month

[opal pollen]

Does the Distant Memory keepsake works with Hangover ?

[distant night]

still, in the beginning she is the faucet of information about whats going on before you ran for the first time

[long turtle]

ye

I shoulda gave her nectar sooner

[distant night]

yes

idk how good the bonus of the keepsake is tho because of the tiny hangover damage over time

i tried it with ares, it definitively works but then again, angover does less damage

[brisk trail]

Hangover seem a bit weak, imo.

Damage over time in a game full of nonstop actions seem a bit off.

I imagine his attack bonus could have been better, like sending enemies drunk by literally and make them wander aimlessly for a while

[distant night]

call hangover is good

[brisk trail]

Or hit their allies because, well they are drunk?

That'd match Dionysus lord, more than just a cheap poison effect..

[distant night]

well thats kinda aphrodite's legendary

[brisk trail]

Eh just my opinion guys.. sorry if it sounds wrong.

[tulip stone]

Dionysus' boons are alright

[brisk trail]

Lore*

[distant night]

wait isnt dio's legendary that hangover aflicted can make others hangover aflicted too?

[brisk trail]

Well aside from attack related boons

His life boon are God-sent

Get it? Haha, I'll see myself out

[distant night]

it doesnt sound wrong it's just hard to juggle love-drunk and fun-drunk

[tulip stone]

i would say hermes has the worst boons

[distant night]

elaborate please?

[brisk trail]

I find Hermes bonus speed after dash a much

Saved my bums several times in bosses fights

[distant night]

||hades|| is a spoiler

[brisk trail]

In Asphodel its not really good cuz i sometimes literally run into magma

Oh sorry

[distant night]

it's ok just for the future

[tulip stone]

i might just be getting unlucky with him cus i always get sub-par boons from him late into my runs

[brisk trail]

My bad, i editted it

[distant night]

thx :)

[distant night]

have you seen hermes full boon list and found any that you find helpful? because some are only helpful in certain builds, like poseidon dash and multiple dashes etc. others like the gold every room gives you free money to spend on more boons or health etc, his dash regen can save you in high heat runs since you get 30% of the taken damage back etc etc

then again i also found hermes unneccessary in my first runs, he just gets better later on

[real edge]

i like his dash then speed boost + sturdy

[fading gazelle]

I can always go for more greatest reflexes

[real edge]

OH also the flat dodge chance is also good

[fading gazelle]

No harm in grabbing more dashes 😄

[distant night]

or more casts 👀

[real edge]

^ unless youve got a crap cast

[distant night]

then just sell it for some obols ;)

[real edge]

yesmaam

[fading gazelle]

Hermes has a boon which gives more casts?

You sure that isn't chaos?

[real edge]

Oh yeah auto cast

[dusty tinsel]

I dont remember him giving more casts, just faster ones

[burnt breach]

https://imgur.com/UCqLOaI

[fading gazelle]

Same here

[distant night]

legendary hermes cast lets you get them back istantly

[burnt breach]

[distant night]

basically more casts

[dusty tinsel]

ah i c

[distant night]

and they fall out quicker, more cast shots :)

[fading gazelle]

Which one?

He has two

[real edge]

there was an aphro thing that increased more casts i think

[distant night]

artemis however gives extra casts

[fading gazelle]

yes

[distant night]

Greater Recall

instant cast backs

[fading gazelle]

So the one that lets them come back to you

I see

[real edge]

im chirpin

[distant night]

Auto Reload and quick reload are non-legendary that you get them back quicker

[fading gazelle]

Not sure if that accounts for "more casts" but definitely useful if your running hera

[halcyon minnow]

hey how do i get Poseidon's bond?

[distant night]

fish a lot

and talk to him after having done the fish prophecy while having fished a fish

so... while you have a fish on you

poseidon likes fishes ._.

[timber sparrow]

Wait did they nerf Eris LOL

I was using it last night and ||I died to Hades|| , sorry got excited my bad

I woke up to a patch 😮

[distant night]

||dad|| is le spoiler, eris is fine tho, but thx :)

[molten nymph]

eris nerf doesn't look so bad tbh

since previously its free permabuff

[real edge]

it could be a lot worse of a nerf lol

[molten nymph]

i don't have time to play yet

[candid knoll]

Greg kinda look like:
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BNzlmMzViNTMtOGRmMS00OTg2LTk3MDItZWUyMTg3NGNjOTg4L2ltYWdlXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTExNDQ2MTI@._V1_UY1200_CR122,0,630,1200_AL_.jpg

[molten nymph]

what's the new duration?

[timber sparrow]

Before it was not specified how long right

[distant night]

4s?

it was 8, now it's 4s if i saw correctly

[faint flint]

appropriate

8s is forever in this game

[distant night]

question, has anybody else noticed that less enemies spawn when using the rail? or does it just feel like that?

[merry talon]

so the sea storm changes

[honest zephyr]

lol.... so i popped open risk of rain 2, ( and this isnt off topic i swear) and i was just about thinking about going back to hades and then i suddenly remembered i quit half way through a kinda "meh" bow run ( so this is a bow rant) were i could maybe win if i really tried super hard, but I'm likely gonna die. and i find the my man personally with the bow, is if i don't get the right mods from the hammer early on with it, i find it hard to scale my damage to the point where i can do like 20-25min runs... it just doesn't hit fast enough, u almost need the the mod were it goes into 3 or has rapid fire. unfortunately for me, my first 3 choices were close range long range and some special modification( which i forgot)

so i guess i can turn this into a question. are there any specific boons i should be looking for for bow? that could be what I'm doing wrong, cause i started artemis, cause i always start artemis for deflects.

[merry talon]

is the change basically that sea storm doesn't work on bosses any more? or is it something else?

[granite ether]

It's so you need a core poseidon boon that isn't splash dash

[merry talon]

oh I noticed that too

sad

[real edge]

Poseidon's cast is pretty alright

[merry talon]

ya I like it

[granite ether]

I'm not sure about any other changes

[distant night]

to the bow question - i've heard many regular bow players say that you should try not to just attack but only dash attack since it would be much faster?

[merry talon]

the text is pretty inaccurate if that's the only change, it says "when you knock foes away, they are struck by lightning" which would imply it doesn't work on bosses

but I know it does

[honest zephyr]

im not sure about marmy, my last rail had the 5 bomb cluster with heroic doom lvl 5 by the end of my run.... i also had hermes 30% specials... so last time i used rail. i just through cluster bombs no matter what i was fighting... it was hitting 500 + a shot

[distant night]

idk about boons personally because i have troubles with bows

[merry talon]

all the bow aspects are my favorites tbh

it's easily my best

when using the primary attack I almost exclusively dash attack

and go for perfect shots

[honest zephyr]

i am trying the dash attack tech, but like its still so slow.

[merry talon]

it shouldn't be slow, it should be super fast

idk what else you could be doing wrong

[real edge]

~i like chirons the best

[distant night]

hmm aright, every time when i start a rail run after spear or anything bubt rail it just really feels like there's at least 20% less enemies to fight, without clusterbomb...

[honest zephyr]

i think im just gonna get back on and see how this runs... i wasn't excited to do it, but i got in here to rant about it, so might as well now. i think im just past hydra

[merry talon]

I'd show you, but this discord doesn't have any voice channels to stream to

[timber sparrow]

Why did they fix Hazard Bomb kek

[distant night]

good luck! may your god relatives be with you

[merry talon]

the haelian hazard bomb clip was hilarious

the bow dash attack perfect shots are all about getting into a good rhythm

[honest zephyr]

ok i just beat tartarus, nvm, xred, any advice for boons? first round i ran athena

[merry talon]

once you do, it becomes super fast and very high dps

what aspect you using

[granite ether]

(if any)

[merry talon]

true

[honest zephyr]

the 2nd one at lvl 1 ( 4 seeking arrow)

[merry talon]

chiron?

you could go for dionysus special

[honest zephyr]

im kinda new i dunno the 2nd one down, with seeking arrows on special.... i have to check the wiki if u want more than that,

[merry talon]

and either ares or aphro attack

[granite ether]

Ideally you'll also wanna level it up more

[merry talon]

ya it's chiron

[honest zephyr]

yea chiron

[real edge]

i have it maxed

and it works wonders

[merry talon]

so ya, I'd recommend ares or aphro on attack, then dio special

[honest zephyr]

i wanted ares, and i want the ares athena duo boon.... that was my goal for this run.

[merry talon]

it's fine, not really necessary

[honest zephyr]

cause my attack actually has deflect so i trigger doom on that

[merry talon]

no you don't trigger doom unless they already are marked

[pliant sparrow]

chiron is a stack weapon so meh

[merry talon]

so it doesn't really work that way

[honest zephyr]

the duo boon triggers it on deflect attacks so yea every attack would trigger the 40

[merry talon]

no it doesn't

that's not how it works

[granite ether]

Merciful end triggers doom on any ability with deflect

[honest zephyr]

Merciful End Your attacks that can Deflect immediately activate Doom effects.
Doom Combo Damage: 40

so ur stayying i have to have him marked first?

and then it triggers it

[merry talon]

yes

[honest zephyr]

understood

[pliant sparrow]

dash is usually the preferred trigger for this i think

since its much quicker

especially when using bow

[honest zephyr]

hmmp

[granite ether]

Yeah so for chiron, doom attack and athena special would be your better bet

For ME

[honest zephyr]

i might restrt this run then and do that.... wave 1 whatever... start with athena, get dash deflect and then my ares doom on attack...

[granite ether]

Athena special gives you more of an arc for deflection goodness :3

[pliant sparrow]

then u still have to doom attack evreytime you special

[honest zephyr]

well also if im gonna restart the run, would u guys even use chiron at lvl 1? i can get my point back ( of blood when i reset)

[pliant sparrow]

merciful end is p. bad with chiron

[haughty niche]

restart run? bro just complete it or die

[granite ether]

It's not bad but it's not the best

[haughty niche]

why waste your time like dat

[pliant sparrow]

unless you go like doom special, stacking doom, artemis dash

[honest zephyr]

one run takes me like 7 min

[pliant sparrow]

restarting gives ur titan blood back

[honest zephyr]

no big deal

that too

[haughty niche]

7 mins okay nevermind

[honest zephyr]

titan blood back

[merry talon]

nah I wouldn't really use chiron lvl 1

personally

[pliant sparrow]

whut 7 minutes?

[merry talon]

I'd upgrade it to at least shoot 5 shots, then use dio special

[pliant sparrow]

or artemis special + aphro attack => heartrend

[haughty niche]

also Varatha >>>>

goated weapon

[pliant sparrow]

since ur likely to get like 20-30 shots in before ur 6 stack of hangover expires

[granite ether]

Chiron at max level low tolerance and dio special is great :3

[merry talon]

I mean you don't have to keep shooting the same target

[honest zephyr]

yea i got 4 titan bloods now, i will just pump them all in zagreus aspect, ( maybe save 2 for weapons i actually like) and then try Athena dash first, thanks for the tips guys

[pliant sparrow]

zagreus bow aspect?

[honest zephyr]

attack dmg and crit chance.

1st one

or just cri sorry

it got buffedtoday too in the patch notes. it went from 2-3% so instead of maxing at 10% it goes to 15%

might be good now ^^

[merry talon]

for zag aspect any good damage attack boon works

[granite ether]

Aphrodite attack

[merry talon]

ya

and ares on special is pretty good

[granite ether]

Yeah, heart rend of zag bow is pretty fun

[pliant sparrow]

nvm zag bow not sword misread

[granite ether]

Nah zeus isn't great on bow attack

All good, zeus is pretty great on zag sword

[honest zephyr]

wow bois, great start to run. so i started this zag bow run with athena dash rare, into choas 101% dash attack ( epic) with the penetly of like 29% more dmg for 4 rounds, and now i just took Poseidon) so wish me luck

[hearty sierra]

Eris nerfed

O no

How will I speedrun now

[flat vapor]

only thing it did was half the boost duration 😔

[hearty sierra]

Still a nerf!

[pliant sparrow]

not really

everyone spams special already

[honest zephyr]

ok so bow run, im off to a good start, but i basically got some non-ideal choices from ocean boi, I can take an epic version of his call ( thinking about it) not taking hydraulic might, cause im using dash-attack, and special sucks on bow, so i get nothing from the damage boost that only lasts 10 seconds.... or i can take the common version of his treasure^^

[flat vapor]

technically a nerf to anyone not too skilled in eris

but everybody tends to learn to refresh the boost constantly anyways

[faint flint]

it's weird

[gaunt glacier]

I feel like the duration cut just makes it a little worse for less skilled players but doesn't do much for better players. Will have to wait and see how it actually works out

[faint flint]

curse of longing doesn't actually say the doom damage diminishhes

i wish it did

I thought it was OP as hell

[granite ether]

The diminishing doom damage is implied

[honest zephyr]

hey guys these are my options: first bow upgrade with hammer....
Sniper Shot Your Attack deals +200% damage to distant foes.
Explosive Shot Your Attack deals +300% base damage in an area, but charges slower.
Charged Volley Hold Special for up to 250% base damage; minimum range is reduced.

im leaning towards explosive shot i never tried it before. is it any good?

[real edge]

I like explosive shot

[molten nymph]

zag bow?

[honest zephyr]

thats all i need to hear, it charges 100% slower but does triple dmg, so likes 150% increase and it adds AOE. as opposed sniper which is only gonna help me if i con position correctly....

yea 5/5 zag bow so 15% crit

i went all out on the upgrades, all my other weapons are like lvl 1-2, and i hate the bow... but im a clown so, i went all in

im on wave 1..... right, and i got explsove shot, i just hit a 630 and then a 550 crit back to back..... ummm im feeling this run bois. thats like stage 4 numbers... i think im gonna get some hermes to speed my attack speed back up and try for artemis crit. and this run is toast, it's not only gonna be my first bow clear, also doing it on heat 1 x D

[real edge]

Does anyone know the total ||titan blood needed to max every weapon aspect?||

[molten nymph]

15 for 1st, 16 for 2nd, 15 for hidden

[pliant sparrow]

4 for zag

[faint flint]

Your Doom effects continuously strike Weak foes.
Successive Hit Damage: 50%

I took this to mean that each subsequent hit did 50% of original damage

[molten nymph]

||the only zag i got maxed is sword||

[faint flint]

not that it not that it was halved each time

[granite ether]

Ahh fair enough, I can understand that. Yeah that would be pretty nuts if it did that

[real edge]

okay so the total is ||306 titan blood||

[manic bobcat]

for what?

[faint flint]

what is the point of keys after unlocking all weapons and mirrors

is it just resetting the mirror

and getting extra fated stuff during runs?

[somber quest]

and trading

[pliant sparrow]

and some end game stuff

purely cosmetic tho

[distant night]

and cosmetics

[real edge]

||all weapon aspects maxed||

[honest zephyr]

wtf, 858 crit on stage 2........ imma shut up and go to boasting for the end of my game, but like i did a 100 gold trove and collected 93g.... im killing stuff soo fast, this is likely my best hades run ever. and im using my most hated weapon... my mind is blown, i got good tips from u guys and good RNG...

[random ermine]

Did you guys get the update correctly on Epic Store?

The game was updating on Epic launcher, but the game's version remained 1.36645 after the download was complete

[honest zephyr]

ummmmmm @random ermine the patch notes on steam specifically said its not out on epic yet, i will find it

wait

i read that off the discord

EDIT: This patch is currently unavailable on the Epic Games Store version of Hades, pending a service outage. We will update again as soon as possible and appreciate your patience.

#hades-patch-notes

[random ermine]

Okay, I see, and makes sense, since the update tried to download itself twice, so I thought something was off

Thank you

[honest zephyr]

np dude

hey guys.... so i got my 2nd hammer.... and like the special is out of the question... but i have 2 good options. quick recap, i have explosive already, my crit chance is about 22% and i got the hermes attack speed increase. im criting for 850+

my choice is between

Triple Shot Your Attack fires 3 shots in a spread pattern.

Twin Shot Your Attack fires 2 shots side-by-side, but has reduced range.

so since twin has reduced range, i can use it like a mid ranged shotgun, but like triple shot is tempting too, but i think for max damage i have to use that like a close range shotgun.... I'm leaning in twin, but asking for feedback.

[distant night]

twin would be good for the dash attack strat i'd say

[honest zephyr]

kk glad to have some feedback, i went afk, so i held off on picking till now.

so guys since I'm using such a slower hitting weapon, ( that's literally hitting for over 1 k per shot at this point) i noticed something interesting about armour for the first time and why it always says "break" when u break it. no amount of over damage you do to an armoured target will ever affect the health, so like for example, if i hit something with 1 hp and 1 armour and i hit for 1000 damage, it would take 2 shots....

interesting. really finally starting to learn about this game..

[molten nymph]

congratulations you're having a taste of the hidden bow

[honest zephyr]

also im gonna put my next post in spoilers....

[faint flint]

yup

armor acts as a damage buffer

so it's like 2 separate health bars

[rose nexus]

Wait.... zag is left handed ?

[faint flint]

wouldn't be surprising

in greek mythology the left hand is used to cause hurt

[rose nexus]

I had no idea

[faint flint]

like

the modern word Sinister

comes from the ancient belief that left handedness was evil

sinister is latin for left

and rectus means straight, proper in latin

which is where we get R and S in chemistry

[rose nexus]

Woooooow

[faint flint]

yup

hence the association with left handedness for evil

and how sinister came to mean evil

[rose nexus]

rip left handed people

[cedar imp]

oops

[rose nexus]

happened to me too

[somber quest]

[cedar imp]

i just experienced how disgusting zag fist aspect is when combined with plume

[rose nexus]

I love fists aaa

[somber quest]

oh yes

no hit run baby

[cedar imp]

though i still get hit

1CC tho

[somber quest]

does dodge have a cap?

[pliant sparrow]

no i dont think so

dodge is additive so it can reach 100

[cedar imp]

it's kinda hard to pull off in the early stages tho

gotta clear fast

[pliant sparrow]

https://clips.twitch.tv/KitschySpikyTomatoSpicyBoy

[zealous bramble]

Is it everyone or just me: does game go into slow mo/lower framerate upon stage clears

[cedar imp]

good thing i got the armor destroying hammer

[somber quest]

hmm i know what i'm doing tomorrow

[jaunty vapor]

What would the best keepsake to start an aspect of demeter run be?

[pliant sparrow]

demeter keepsake

xD

wait

zeus keepsake

[zealous bramble]

I have tried every combo of Nvidia control panel settings and I still get some pretty rough frame drops so I'm wondering if it's normal

[pliant sparrow]

i thought u meant demeter boon run lol

[jaunty vapor]

:PPP

[pliant sparrow]

zeus is p good for demeter fists

with crit for special

[jaunty vapor]

also is there any preference for what Special boon would be recommended?

Thanks

that

[faint flint]

actually

i wish it said which modifiers were additive and which were multiplicative

like

if I had high security

[somber quest]

would crit apply to all of the hits as a group or roll separately for each one

[faint flint]

and sturdy footing

[somber quest]

for demeter aspect special

[faint flint]

crits apply per hit

[jaunty vapor]

Also just started with a hammer, Kinetic Launcher, Rush Kick or Flying Cutter

[faint flint]

spear?

kinetic is good

[jaunty vapor]

Demeter fists

[faint flint]

oh

kinetic is eh

world's slowest projectile

[jaunty vapor]

my only win so far was explosive launcher on spear

[faint flint]

explosive on spear is fantastic

[jaunty vapor]

but yeah I don't know which of those for this

and ye

very much so

[faint flint]

mostly because you can throw it again immediatley

and DONT HAVE TO RETRIEVE IT LIKE A DOG

[jaunty vapor]

it turns into a better bow

I am just asking for future reference

[faint flint]

eh not necessarily

[jaunty vapor]

flying cutter or rush kick

[pliant sparrow]

" Lightning Strike is a good base. Deadly Flourish if you have Demeter fists
Divine Dash is nice. Breaching Cross, Long Knuckles are about the best overall hammers you can take."

[faint flint]

that's a tough one

[somber quest]

i like rush kick

[cedar imp]

wait, zeus lightnings count as a hit for demeter fist?

[faint flint]

I don't like zeus boons usually

i read that lightning cannot crit

[somber quest]

actually with demeter flying cutter is probably better

[pliant sparrow]

no but fast attack = zeus attack is the best

[somber quest]

since double base damage

[pliant sparrow]

better than other stacking boons

[jaunty vapor]

So then flying cutter?

Just wanna be sure here 😛

[cedar imp]

i run kinetic on demeter fist since it's easier to hit

and has more uses

but ye, flying cutter is very strong

[flat vapor]

lightning strike is just good on fists

[faint flint]

fast attack i prefer to go artemis

[flat vapor]

not because of a special interaction with demfists' mechanics

[faint flint]

support fire is insane

[rose nexus]

I love artie

[rose nexus]

Y e s

It’s one of my fav boons for everything

[cedar imp]

i use zeus on secret rail aspect lmao

[faint flint]

support fire is this stupid flat damage increase

[pliant sparrow]

zeus attack does the same damage as support fire, but it has jolted

[faint flint]

that can proc crits

[cedar imp]

though i tried aphro too on it

[faint flint]

but zeus can't crit

[pliant sparrow]

zeus on secret rail is good

[hearty sierra]

I... Is it normal for the orientation to be flipped

[pliant sparrow]

but zeus has better regular damage and better room clear

[faint flint]

zeus is kind of underpowered I feel

[silver kestrel]

Zeus is good but you gotta get that jolted

[hearty sierra]

Rail and Zeus.... Yeah no

[jaunty vapor]

Some other just kind of random information to know in the future

with demeter would chaos dash strike+ damage or special+ damage be better

[silver kestrel]

Although Zeus's effects are the most blinding to me so I never know what the heck I'm doing when I'm going Zeus.

[cedar imp]

tried zeus shield and zeus

[pliant sparrow]

special damage for demeter

[cedar imp]

gotta disagree with that

[jaunty vapor]

Disagree with what?

[cedar imp]

zeus boons being underpowered

[somber quest]

zeus is good with stuff that hits fast

[faint flint]

why wouldn't I just want support fire then

[pliant sparrow]

cuz zeus deals more damage than sup fire

[somber quest]

just get both

[faint flint]

but zeus cannot do crit damage

[cedar imp]

secret bow and zeus too for hilarious reasons

[faint flint]

also zeus boons require additional enemies to really get more damage

[jaunty vapor]

and lightning strike already

pog

[silver kestrel]

If support fire can crit that means it can help trigger marks whereas chain lightning can have jolted added to it.

[warped atlas]

what do the themes do?

[somber quest]

look spicy

[pliant sparrow]

just add a ui theme to the end and boons list

[molten nymph]

zeus is better for room clears and the first target hits also dealt damage

[faint flint]

but chain lightning requires an additional foe to jolt

whereas support fire not getting the mark on hunters from not having a foe

[warped atlas]

so its not during game play or in the house?

[faint flint]

isn't as tough

because you're already critting

[jaunty vapor]

Damn just did like 1k from that special

yeesh

[faint flint]

also support fire arrows have really long range

[molten nymph]

and zeus can get p stupid with its legendary

[flat vapor]

wdym

[pliant sparrow]

zeus is better at higher difficulties

since better room clear

and at lower difficulties it doesnt matter what u run ur gonna have enough damage anyways

[faint flint]

without the additional foe, you aren't getting as much benefit off Zeus since you won't jolt them

[pliant sparrow]

sure ofc artemis has better single target damage but

[faint flint]

in contrast support fire is already critting

[pliant sparrow]

zeus is better in general

[flat vapor]

lightning strike hits the first foe with lightning, no?

[faint flint]

yes

but what I was saying is that it can't crit

[molten nymph]

wait, does support fire crit?

[faint flint]

yes

[molten nymph]

what's the crit rate

[silver kestrel]

If you have both it could crit if you've already been fighting and artemis procs a mark on your new main target

[faint flint]

zeus cannot crit

lightning effects cannot do crits

[pliant sparrow]

sure artemis has better single target dps but zeus is better in general

[silver kestrel]

Not even on marked enemies?

[molten nymph]

lightning can crit with mark or pp

[somber quest]

:O

i didnt know support fire could crit

[flat vapor]

source lol

[faint flint]

haelian

[somber quest]

who

[faint flint]

top speedrunner

[molten nymph]

which vid

[silver kestrel]

"we can't lose bois!"

[flat vapor]

i've always been meaning to verify that

[molten nymph]

i can't remember support fire having innate crit

[wispy badge]

Can the fists not gain the dark thirst buff? I just checked my records, and I haven't gotten a dark thirst run with the fists since I unlocked them. (About 40 runs in.)

[molten nymph]

fists can get dark thirst

[somber quest]

they deffo can

[faint flint]

do you mean the zeus hit

[brisk trail]

i think it can only crit if you have pressure points

[faint flint]

or the secondary lightning effects of zeus

[brisk trail]

and maybe hunter's mark

[molten nymph]

secondary lightning effect

can crit if you have pressure point from artemis

[faint flint]

the direct zeus I think can crit

[brisk trail]

yeah i meant supp fire

[faint flint]

but from what I understand zeus's secondary lightning effects cannot crit

[brisk trail]

oh wait

you said that already lmao

mb

[faint flint]

artemis support fire crits also re-proc hunter's mark

[molten nymph]

but support fire needs pp or mark to crit right?

[brisk trail]

i think so

[faint flint]

PP is so strong though

[brisk trail]

dont think it crits on its own

[cedar imp]

does ares' wheel crit?

[molten nymph]

if we're considering pp then we should consider stuff like jolted or bouncing on zeus

[cedar imp]

oh and zeus' legendary

[molten nymph]

yeah

[faint flint]

ares wheel can crit, yes

[molten nymph]

fist/rail with zeus legendary is just plain stupid

[cedar imp]

you can do the same stupidity with secret bow special

[flat vapor]

it honestly makes no sense to me that everything else in the game is able to crit besides lightning, but i can't verify it rn

[faint flint]

I thought it could as well

then I heard him say it

[pliant sparrow]

zeus still better than artemis for fast hitting weapons tho :p

[jaunty vapor]

Hunter dash or pressure points with demeter fists

[molten nymph]

i do like it better but i haven't mathed it out

[jaunty vapor]

didn't get the special crit oop

[molten nymph]

i'd go pp

[somber quest]

pressure points goes hard

[pliant sparrow]

athena dash is better for fists

since ur gonna be extremely close most of the time

[cedar imp]

especially on secret fist

[faint flint]

hunter dash kind of meh

pressure points makes everything you do better

pp probably one of the strongest skills in the game

even tier 1 boon too

[jaunty vapor]

Almost just beat than by 13 entirely accidentally

[cedar imp]

i heard somebody a few days ago telling me that merciful end and curse of longing is a stupid combo (stupid bad)

[jaunty vapor]

nice

[brisk trail]

nah hunter dash gud if you using dash strikes a lot

[cedar imp]

tried it myself and it tells me otherwise

[faint flint]

hunter dash is meh because it's not athena dash

[brisk trail]

uh those two kind of don't complement each other

athena dash #1 boon

goat

[faint flint]

yeah exactly

[pliant sparrow]

huge catch #1 boon

[cedar imp]

i'd agree with that normally but then dire misfortune exists

as bridge between those two

[molten nymph]

funny way of spelling peer pressure

[pliant sparrow]

whats the point of stacking doom if u have merciful end anyways

merciful end kinda negates curse of longing

u gotta use one or the other

[faint flint]

peer pressure sucks

[brisk trail]

ME nullifies the other

yeah

[faint flint]

it seemed good

[somber quest]

impending doom tho