h1-discussion

[tepid plover]

The final boss is bouldy

[shut topaz]

idk how to deal with him

[exotic furnace]

dodge and then hit him

[tepid plover]

I'm about to change my name ot hypnos and rickroll people on the new player channel

[quaint hatch]

If that makes you get a decent pfp again

[tepid plover]

Wow

[quaint hatch]

I'm just being honest

[exotic furnace]

whats wrong with the current one?

[tepid plover]

He hates me

[quaint hatch]

It looks like a weeby 2008 club penguin pfp

[tepid plover]

Wow

[exotic furnace]

who could hate the god of wine, partying and good vibes

[tepid plover]

Thats why he hates me

[quaint hatch]

He had that as a pfp before

[tepid plover]

Dio was my pfp

[quaint hatch]

And it was glorious

He was Party chad

Now he's 10 year old roblox kid

[tepid plover]

🥲

[quaint hatch]

💗

[exotic furnace]

btw i like the time carrying over for tight deadline. when i read it i thought it was a bit weird since region 3 and 4 are really the hardest ones by far to complete in time

[shut topaz]

my god mode is at 40%, thank god

[quaint hatch]

Literally

[shut topaz]

im bad, i need the life insurance

thats why im saving up for death defiance tier 3

so i could just brute force || Hades ||

[tepid plover]

It wasnt like that before

[exotic furnace]

death defiance is a must :P

[quaint hatch]

Tag pls

[tepid plover]

Brute force hades into the yard

[quaint hatch]

Ikik the game name har har

[exotic furnace]

yeah someone said so earlier

[quaint hatch]

Thanks homes

[tepid plover]

🎉

[shut topaz]

i wanna be able to go full unga bunga caveman on bosses

[exotic furnace]

you cant do that even with 3 dds

[quaint hatch]

Go big brain smort stonks

[exotic furnace]

you still need to dodge A LOT

[shut topaz]

see with the right boons and enough crit chance, i could

[exotic furnace]

hmm

[quaint hatch]

That'll keep you from learning to build/play better doe

[exotic furnace]

you can do that against the 1st and 2nd and maybe the third

but the final boss hits hard and has a lot of health

and attacks often

[shut topaz]

im running god mode until i beat the main story

[quaint hatch]

Nothing against that

[shut topaz]

its at 40% right now so i could feasibly caveman hades

[quaint hatch]

Take the cushion it gives you to improve so you don't need it after the credits

[exotic furnace]

you could die a bunch of times and buff your god mode even further

[shut topaz]

yes

[quaint hatch]

Or don't cause I'm not ur mom

[shut topaz]

if i can get it to 80%, get enough crit chance, and 3 death defiances

i can caveman him

[quaint hatch]

Aight I'm out

[exotic furnace]

cya

keep it circular bro

[shut topaz]

i wish we could use a club weapon so i could feel like a caveman

[exotic furnace]

theres one weapon thats kinda caveman like

youll know what i mean when you get it

[shut topaz]

i have all of them

or is there a special one

[cold surge]

I started God Mode bc I am not experienced with action games and I have chronic pain, but I got to 80% and I got bored, now I have just completed 10 heat without god mode

[shut topaz]

i have sword, spear, bow, gloves, and gun

[cold surge]

and 8 heat on all weapons

[shut topaz]

gun sucks, i hate it

[cold surge]

The "???" aspects will unlock eventually

the ones on the bottom

I like Zeus attack on rail

[exotic furnace]

blast

[cold surge]

Zeus attack is also good on fists

[exotic furnace]

he doesnt know about aspects yet

[shut topaz]

fists are fun but theyre really weak

[cold surge]

oh

oops about spoilers

fists were my fastest weapon

[exotic furnace]

yeah sorry wombat

[shut topaz]

im aware of aspects

[cold surge]

I got my only sub 20 minute clear with fists

demeter fists though

[shut topaz]

i have aspects unlocked

[cold surge]

demeter fists are my best weapon by far if I get Zeus on attack

[shut topaz]

i got all the weapons fairly early then aspects kinda just unlocked after a few more runs

i like the one that allows me to dash to my spear after i throw it

[exotic furnace]

the foruth ones?

[shut topaz]

oh i dont have the 4th ones

idk how to unlock them

[exotic furnace]

youll get it eventually

maybe

[manic bobcat]

that's the second one

[exotic furnace]

i dont actually know how to unlock them, i only got 2 so far

and i dont wanna know

[cold surge]

I prefer Hades spear

personally

to Achilles

[exotic furnace]

so please no spoilerinos

[manic bobcat]

the 4th ones are in a separate DLC

that costs $5.00

[exotic furnace]

what no theyre not

i got 2 of them in the base game

[tepid plover]

[cold surge]

that's not a funny way to mess with people

[exotic furnace]

but yeah theres a cavemen-kinda weapon in one of the hidden aspects

[shut topaz]

hell yes

i can live out my dreams of brute forcing every boss

im not gonna die on purpose repeatedly to get god mode 80 tho

[exotic furnace]

it doesnt do that much damage but maybe with god mode :P

[shut topaz]

thats time consuming

[tepid plover]

[shut topaz]

ill play naturally and if i beat the main story before then ill just turn off god mode

god mode is pretty nifty. i like that you have to build it up so its not an insta win

but its still enough to help new players

[astral swift]

luv your new profile pic Dio

[quaint hatch]

100%

Yeah right
He has a really nice pfp now right?

[shut topaz]

its better than celeste handled it with just. straight up invincibility options

[tepid plover]

There

[quaint hatch]

Hard to compare those two

[astral swift]

Amazing

[shut topaz]

im just talking in terms of options to help new players

[astral swift]

It's Dio's hibernation season

[tepid plover]

Me2

[shut topaz]

i feel god mode in hades works because you still have to learn the game

you cant caveman your way through levels

unless you get it to 80

but that takes a while

[manic bobcat]

mirror also helps a lot

[quaint hatch]

Now it would be time for @tepid plover advice

[tepid plover]

Have you tried not dying?

[quaint hatch]

Ah called it

[shut topaz]

im bad at video games

it took me 3 days to beat Cuphead on normal okay

[tepid plover]

Maybe get better?

[shut topaz]

im trying, but right now im focusing on just brute forcing the story

hence why i want death defiance tier 3

[tepid plover]

Just dont get hit

Ok I cant do this

[quaint hatch]

Weak

[exotic furnace]

cuphead is not an easy game :P

[shut topaz]

its not

[quaint hatch]

It is

[tepid plover]

Try spelunky lik

[shut topaz]

like i said, cuphead took me 3 days

[exotic furnace]

i s ranked every level with my friend :D

[tepid plover]

Play spelunky and tell me cuphead isnt ez

[quaint hatch]

@tepid plover advice

[exotic furnace]

spelunky is even harder?

[quaint hatch]

Yeah

[tepid plover]

Yeah lol

[shut topaz]

im trying to s rank every boss but its hard. i got sally stageplay down pat cause shes easy af

[exotic furnace]

damn

[tepid plover]

Cuphead is ezmode next to spelunky

[shut topaz]

i cant get into spelunky. i dont like the gameplay

[tepid plover]

Although you could try not dying

[exotic furnace]

i have spelunky on my wishlost

[quaint hatch]

Cuphead is easy if you just don't get hit

[tepid plover]

^

[quaint hatch]

Just get spelunky 2

[shut topaz]

i dare yall to do battletoads NES co-op

[quaint hatch]

Nothing easier than that

We just avoid dying

[exotic furnace]

i dont like difficult games just for the sake of difficulty though

[tepid plover]

But is simple

Just dont get hit

[exotic furnace]

i like difficult games but it needs to actually be fun and engaging also

[shut topaz]

i love difficult games if theyre fair. ill play rage games like wings of vi, but i can only play them in small doses

[cold surge]

I like how I can make a run more difficult in the way I personally want to

in Hades

[quaint hatch]

There are no difficult games if you follow hypnos philosophy

[tepid plover]

^

If you dont get hit game is ez

[exotic furnace]

yeah thats what i like about hades too

[shut topaz]

yeah kid icarus uprising did something similar. spend hearts to make the game harder, but you get better rewards

max difficulty on kid icarus uprising makes me angry lol

mostly played on difficulty 5 or 6

sometimes 7

[cold surge]

(Post first clear spoilers) It's interesting|| that a lot of people have different opinions for what pacts are easier||

||full convenience fee is basically free for me but some people don't like convenience fee||

||even one level of lasting consequences is brutal for me||

[exotic furnace]

some things are very weapon dependant

like the armor

[cold surge]

Yeah, I do damage shields on fists

but for other weapons it's not good

[quaint hatch]

Well if you consider that shops are free boons concinienve fee sucks

[exotic furnace]

btw

these are spoilers

[cold surge]

where is the spoiler policy

I can't find it

[quaint hatch]

Heat and pact options aren't in here

[exotic furnace]

heat is non existent for beginners

[quaint hatch]

Pinned

We're in discussion

Not #h1-for-new-players

[tepid plover]

Heat is non existent if you dont die

[nocturne copper]

is 100% evasion theoretically possible

[cold surge]

spoiler policy isn't in pinned comments for this channel

where is it pinned?

[quaint hatch]

Yes

[exotic furnace]

"However, casual mentions of Heat without spoiler tags show up somewhat commonly here in passing, so I don't think it's a big deal to do so."

[nocturne copper]

i feel like with the duo boon + zag fists + hermes you could

[tepid plover]

100% possible, just extremely hard to pull of

[quaint hatch]

Ruthless reflex

You can't get 100% dodge unconditionally

[exotic furnace]

i always turn convenience fee to the highest level, because then i can use my gold to buy a diamond or titan blood

[quaint hatch]

It's mostly tied to ruthless dodge or calls with second wind (the one that gives you dodge on call use)

[exotic furnace]

except for now, because i have em4 which is already 10 heat when i only need 9

[tepid plover]

What if I dont need blood or diamonds

[quaint hatch]

Same

[broken marsh]

just beat the game in 27 min is that good?

[exotic furnace]

then idk

wow nice

[quaint hatch]

If you're not spedsrunnin it doesn't matter

[tepid plover]

Beating the game in 2 hours is as good as beating it in 10 mins

[quaint hatch]

WR is sub 6

[exotic furnace]

still impressive though

[broken marsh]

lol

[quaint hatch]

Idk I'd say 26 minutes I p average

[cold surge]

That's very late in the game, I am over 100 hours and still need blood and diamonds

[broken marsh]

i had super good boons so i killed the bosses super fast

[tepid plover]

26 mins is below average 👀

Jk

[exotic furnace]

i average 35 minutes

[tepid plover]

👀

[exotic furnace]

idk if im really bad or if everyone else is really good

[quaint hatch]

I average 18-20 I think
Still too slow

[cold surge]

If you can consistently clear under 36 mins then tight deadline 1 should be fine

I got my first and only sub 20 clear today

a bit over 18 mins with demeter fists

[quaint hatch]

Nice

[nocturne copper]

i average like 32

[quaint hatch]

My fastest is sub 15 I think
Either that or 15

[cold surge]

I'm not sure what I should do for 16 heat

[tepid plover]

I think my fastest is 19, and to this day I have no idea how

[quaint hatch]

But tbf I still took troves lol

[cold surge]

I need to practice Extreme Measures 3 first

[quaint hatch]

EM3, BP2, MM, TD1, FO1

[exotic furnace]

i turn on em mostly for fun :P

bosses are fun

[tepid plover]

AP2

[exotic furnace]

but the heat is nice

[quaint hatch]

[cold surge]

I haven't really tried middle management or benefits package yet

[exotic furnace]

em3 is not that hard if you practice it a little

[tepid plover]

Em3 is easier than no em3

[cold surge]

yeah next run I will try EM3 without any other modifiers

[exotic furnace]

sleepy really?

[tepid plover]

I tried no em3 the other day and died

[quaint hatch]

Yep

[cold surge]

EM3 buffs both a mini boss and a boss

[exotic furnace]

what

it does

[tepid plover]

The bull is harder, but theseus is next to useless

[cold surge]

^

[quaint hatch]

Yup

[tepid plover]

Making the fight easier

[cold surge]

Asterius is truly frightening

at least to me

[quaint hatch]

Eh just stay away from him

[cold surge]

Theseus is less of a pain to damage in first phase tho

[quaint hatch]

The fight is way worse with fists tho

[tepid plover]

Once the bull dies the fight is free

[cold surge]

Staying away from Asterius is hard with melee weapons

[exotic furnace]

hmm

[quaint hatch]

Theseus just drives around the outside chillin

[exotic furnace]

you have to hit him in between the slashes

i wouldnt call what theseus does "chillin" :P

[quaint hatch]

Gotta know when to attack

[tepid plover]

No em3, theseus is all over your butt, em3 he leaves you alone

[exotic furnace]

also smoilers bro

[quaint hatch]

Still no

[cold surge]

Which channel is the spoiler policy pinned?

It's NOT in this channel's pins

[quaint hatch]

The policy in heat in this channel is pinned

Otherwise channel description

Those are pre 1.0 still

So outdated

[exotic furnace]

"anything involving the final boss or endgame content, as well as spoiler content related to 1.0 should be in spoiler tags or the appropriate channel"

[quaint hatch]

Mostly just passed on via word if mouth

[shut sparrow]

I'm sure this question has been asked before but I wanted to check. Does Supergiant have plans for this game in the future? Sorry to just but it, but I am curious as I have been really enjoying this game.

[quaint hatch]

Likely not

[cold surge]

I've heard they are basically done with major changes

any changes will be like minor patches probably

[exotic furnace]

look in thetest branch readme

[quaint hatch]

My man I'm on this channel since switch release

I'm p familiar with policies I'd say

[shut sparrow]

Just wanted to know if they where going to do expansion style stuff like with Bastion.

[tepid plover]

Yes and no, they haven't said yes, but they haven't said no

Is tba

[exotic furnace]

"We put everything we've got into v1.0 of Hades. The Hades Test Branch is to ensure our follow-up patches in the coming days are as problem-free as possible. Once we're sure things have settled with our launch, our small team will be taking a break to recharge, and plan what's next. The Hades Test Branch will likely be functionally discontinued during that time (i.e., we will not be making updates)."

[quaint hatch]

Did you forget what you quoted before?

[cold surge]

Is there a place for intermediate players? Since I'm still doing low heat but I'm not a new player

I'm aiming for 16 heat next, I heard high heat strategies are for 40+ heat for that channel

[tepid plover]

Here

[tiny grove]

builds and combat probably

or here

[quaint hatch]

If I recall correctly the most recent rule of thumb was anything involving the final boss or endgame content, as well as spoiler content related to 1.0 should be in spoiler tags or the appropriate channel. However, casual mentions of Heat without spoiler tags show up somewhat commonly here in passing, so I don't think it's a big deal to do so. The more important thing is to keep in-depth discussion on the matter in their respective channels.

[tepid plover]

High heat can be considered 20 depending on what you consider hard

Imo 24 is high heat

[quaint hatch]

High heat is 32+

[tepid plover]

Shut up boulder

[sharp fossil]

high heat is whatever you find hard tbh

[exotic furnace]

its just a relative term

[tepid plover]

^

[quaint hatch]

Very high heat is 40+

[cold surge]

I'm aiming for 16 right now, hope to do 32 someday but it'll be fine if I don't

[exotic furnace]

rollingstone thinks if youre not doing 40 heat in 15 minutes you suck

[tepid plover]

Boulder is speaking non sense again, time to sleep

[exotic furnace]

i think 10 heat is already pretty hard

[cold surge]

my last run was 10 heat

[tepid plover]

And no one can tell you otherwise

[exotic furnace]

i mean just beating the game normally is not easy..

[quaint hatch]

Put those words in my mouth man sure

[cold surge]

with fists 2 of those were damage shields tho

which was free

[quaint hatch]

If your run EM4 lol

[tepid plover]

Em4 is cake

[cold surge]

I need to practice EM3

and hopefully then do EM4

[tepid plover]

I rather do em4 than td1

[cold surge]

I'm scared of EM4

[sharp fossil]

this is a lie

[cold surge]

TD1 is easy

I literally didn't play much differently

[sharp fossil]

old video game references yo

[quaint hatch]

The cake is a lie

[tepid plover]

Wow I've been called a liar

[exotic furnace]

you should be :P

[tepid plover]

Wait its all cake?

[sharp fossil]

lol that’s right there’s a new cake is a lie meme

we’ve come full circle

[exotic furnace]

good point lol

[tepid plover]

I used to be scared of em4, now I eat it for breakfast

[exotic furnace]

i guess there is still a lot of easy heat without doing em4

[tepid plover]

Still won't turn on td1, that sucks

[quaint hatch]

Do you eat it with a side of TD3 tho?

[exotic furnace]

how much heat does td1 give?

[sharp fossil]

EM4 is easier than TD1 is a spicy take

[exotic furnace]

just 1 right?

[quaint hatch]

Without time pressure you don't have time pressure af least

Yeah but it's free

[tepid plover]

Just tell me you hate me

[quaint hatch]

I don't have to tell you

[tepid plover]

🥲

[exotic furnace]

oof

hands hypnos ambrosia

drink away your sorrows mate

[tepid plover]

This is so sad, Orpheus play despacito

[exotic furnace]

this is so sad, even thanatos feels bad for you

[quaint hatch]

Thanatos doesn't need to get him

I already sent him to hades

[cold surge]

The hardest thing about TD1 is not panicking, just pause more and play slightly faster than normal

but not so fast that you run into stuff

so far though i'm fastest with fists

[sharp fossil]

so fast you run into stuff lol

[brisk trail]

it is easy

[sharp fossil]

this isn’t a racing game

[quaint hatch]

Well

You're not entirely right

[exotic furnace]

nice name lol

person man

[brisk trail]

thanks

i am a person

[tepid plover]

Tell that to the meowing chariots

[exotic furnace]

and then you have a cat pfp

[brisk trail]

and a man

[cold surge]

I'm specifically talking about Tight Deadline 1

[brisk trail]

and small cat

[exotic furnace]

are you sure youre not a poser?

[brisk trail]

wot?

[cold surge]

which gives you a 9 minute timer per zone

[sharp fossil]

meowing chariots just want hugs prove me wrong

[brisk trail]

this is my cat so cant i have him?

[cold surge]

and remaining time carries over to next

[tepid plover]

They can hug my fists

[exotic furnace]

i think you are a cat

[brisk trail]

IM NOT A FURRY!!

[quaint hatch]

Bruh you stole my cat

[sharp fossil]

yeah ik what TD1 is lol

[tepid plover]

Its not a phase mom

[brisk trail]

it is a phase

i will never go in

EVER

this is just my cat

he is 1 8/10 years

[exotic furnace]

@cold surge lemme know what you think of em3 and 4 :P im curious to see your reactions

[tepid plover]

Em4 is amazing, love the music

[brisk trail]

wot?

i dont get it

[tepid plover]

You will

[sharp fossil]

EM4 music fire for sure

[brisk trail]

sorry if i insulted you

dont kill me

[tepid plover]

No

Too late

[brisk trail]

tho i would break out

[exotic furnace]

the description in the music stand is also amusing

[tepid plover]

I'm coming for you

[quaint hatch]

He sleeps you

[exotic furnace]

i mean of the sheet music

[tepid plover]

I'll sleep you, then tell you how much you suck in your sleep

[exotic furnace]

he will sleep you

[cold surge]

@exotic furnace I tried EM3 and I won with EM3 once but it takes out nearly all my DDs

I haven't tried EM4 yet

[quaint hatch]

The music is not sheet

It's good

[brisk trail]

im gjust gonna play hades

[cold surge]

I need to practice EM3 a lot more

[exotic furnace]

em3 just takes some practice, i think i lost all my dd the first time too

[cold surge]

I want to lose one DD at max when I do EM3

With EM2 I don't lose DDs until the final boss if I'm not doing poorly

[exotic furnace]

im sure you can do it without losing a single life

me and rollingstone believe in you

[cold surge]

like if I'm not being too careless

thank you

[quaint hatch]

Just dash twice near asterius as soon as he hits the ground
Or rather shortly before that

[cold surge]

next run I'll try EM3 with no other factors just for practice

[quaint hatch]

Should avoid the shockwave

You believe in bouldy
Bouldy believes is you

[cold surge]

I've been told about dashing under him, so that's why my friend said that

[exotic furnace]

i just wait until the shockwave then dash in

also dash out before it lol

[quaint hatch]

Thats the safer option ofc

[exotic furnace]

oh you dash out and back in to just avoid the shockwave?

[quaint hatch]

I'm just a greedy boi

[cold surge]

for middle management I'm scared of megagorgon fight

[exotic furnace]

thats pretty cool

i never activated middle management yet

[cold surge]

dashing gives almost full invincibility during

(Not dash attacking)

[quaint hatch]

I dash during the shockwave so the i frames prevent me from getting hurt

[cold surge]

not sure if it's actually invincible the entire animation

[brisk trail]

i beat hades without dieing

[quaint hatch]

Well shortly before ofc

[cold surge]

nice

[exotic furnace]

yeah thats good

but more difficult

[cold surge]

I've had a couple runs where I didn't lose any DDs the entire run

those feel good

[quaint hatch]

Tag the boss name pls
|| On both sides

||

You can copy it

[brisk trail]

me?

why?

[cold surge]

put || on both sides of the thing to be spoiled

[exotic furnace]

its a spoiler

[cold surge]

identity of final boss is a spoiler

[molten nymph]

with MM megagorgon isn't what kills me
its the groundslam guy

[quaint hatch]

Or rewrite it Into redacted

[exotic furnace]

lol

who gets added to the megagorgon with MM?

[molten nymph]

no one

[brisk trail]

ok im just gonna play

mm gorgon head is terrible i hate it

i somehow always mistime my dash

[quaint hatch]

If you use your ||companion|| it's p easy

[brisk trail]

and eat 20 dmg

[molten nymph]

but ||megagorgon's shooting pattern changes and the pounder gets a shockwave||

i probably should get used to get ||meg|| to hit both of them

[brisk trail]

havent lost a dd against them since the first time i fought them tho

[quaint hatch]

Chill near the gorgon until the skullcrusher drops
Then activate ||batty|| quickly
Delete their armor

Then it's just a couple hits

[brisk trail]

i onjly have ||mort|| lol

nuking theseus phase 2 with him is fun tho

[exotic furnace]

speaking of deleting armor

[quaint hatch]

Problem with him is by the time he does damage most mini bosses and bosses are out of the circle

[brisk trail]

yeah

[exotic furnace]

i was once critting 2600 on armor because of the hammer upgrade and backstab

[brisk trail]

just curious can i stream or no?

[exotic furnace]

and i had a pretty high crit chance because of artemis

[brisk trail]

havent had trouble w him in styx tho

[quaint hatch]

Sure
What do you mean exactly?

[brisk trail]

idk

[quaint hatch]

You mean if sgg claims your gameplay it stuff?

There's enough footage out there xD

Knock yourself out

[brisk trail]

ok how do i do?

[cold surge]

megagorgon fight the stone shockwave is the entire arena

megagorgon teleports

the huge shockwave is worse tbh

[brisk trail]

ya

it sucks

[cold surge]

but I can probably just deal with it with practice

[brisk trail]

its kinda easy tho

[quaint hatch]

.

[brisk trail]

so...

i finished asphodel and im elystim

i cant spell

idk how to spell it

elysium

thanks

np

im an idiot

so how do i beat Theseus easier when he keeps friggen blocking?

[cold surge]

He turns around right after throwing his spear

[exotic furnace]

go to his back :P

[brisk trail]

ok so after the spear

gottcha

[exotic furnace]

break his shield first

[cold surge]

you can't break his shield

[exotic furnace]

if you hit it 100 times it breaks

[brisk trail]

You can break his sheild?!?!

WOT!?!?!

[cold surge]

artemis's cast goes through his shield btw

[exotic furnace]

no jk

that too

[brisk trail]

evil man

[cold surge]

the artemis cast is true tho

[quaint hatch]

Support fire arrows also go through shield

[brisk trail]

ik

[cold surge]

also artemis's call

[brisk trail]

i tried it

yes

[exotic furnace]

yeah artemis goes straight for the soul

not even hitting flesh

[cold surge]

but yeah just after theseus catches his spear his back is to you

[exotic furnace]

uhh i mean aphro

[cold surge]

his shield is super frustrating

[molten nymph]

hammers with piercing keywords also works

[exotic furnace]

wait does artemis' cast go through the shield?

[brisk trail]

so i can also do hades?

[cold surge]

Yeah, you can't really roll for hamers

[molten nymph]

bust mostly yeah, you attack him after he attacks you

[exotic furnace]

i didnt know that

[brisk trail]

i mean ares?

ares call helps too right?

[cold surge]

yes artemis cast pierces shields

[molten nymph]

ares call helps

[brisk trail]

i dont really use ares but should i?

[molten nymph]

his cast works too

[brisk trail]

oh ok

[cold surge]

artemis call is better overall IMO

[molten nymph]

yes

[exotic furnace]

hermes doesnt have a call does he?

[brisk trail]

i agree

[cold surge]

Zeus call works too

hermes doesn't have a call

[molten nymph]

hermes has no call

[brisk trail]

hermes i dont think he has

yeah no

[exotic furnace]

what a loser

[cold surge]

zeus call you have to be pretty close tho

[brisk trail]

XD

[cold surge]

Hermes gives the best boons tho

increased dashes are nice

[brisk trail]

ya

[exotic furnace]

yeah

dude

[molten nymph]

+30% attack speed is just 👌

[quaint hatch]

Ares call is bad

[exotic furnace]

you have to put the name of the final boss in spoiler tags

@brisk trail

[cold surge]

Greatest Reflex is probably the 2nd best boon in the game

[quaint hatch]

Poseidon call is better

[cold surge]

Divine Dash is my most used of course

[brisk trail]

oh how do i do that?

[cold surge]

Poseidon call is good, you have to get used to it a bit

[brisk trail]

idk how

[quaint hatch]

||

[molten nymph]

my favorite call is athena and zeus

[cold surge]

|| on both sides

[molten nymph]

idk the math, but i don't like steering poseidon

[exotic furnace]

"||like this||"

lol

copy this ||

[molten nymph]

||Spoiler||

there

[quaint hatch]

||

That in both sides

[brisk trail]

||hades||

oh there

[exotic furnace]

yes

[quaint hatch]

Delete your previous attempts pls

Thanks m8

[exotic furnace]

i thought aphro did more damage than artemis

[brisk trail]

SHE WEAK

I HATE HER

sorry if i insulted you

[molten nymph]

i think artemis does more

[brisk trail]

she pretty but god damn she weak

[exotic furnace]

no, the enemies are weak

for 4 seconds

[molten nymph]

artemis you want to have greater call though

[quaint hatch]

As I said aphro is guaranteed 2.5 k at least with charm
Artemis does 1k with a 30%^10 chance to do 3k

[exotic furnace]

yeah i mean with greater call

[quaint hatch]

Artemis call is the 3rd worst call

[brisk trail]

whats the first worst call?

[molten nymph]

ares

[quaint hatch]

You misjudge her hard

Demeter

[brisk trail]

huh

[exotic furnace]

30% chance to do 3k is pretty misleading way of putting it lol

[molten nymph]

huh i like demeter more than ares

[quaint hatch]

It's not 30%

[exotic furnace]

how much does a crit do?

[molten nymph]

at least its not negative dps

[quaint hatch]

It's 30%x10

[brisk trail]

i use demeter with the explosion on chill and she pretty strong

[quaint hatch]

Because every arrow needs to crit

[quaint hatch]

With that the call gets better

But other calls are better without Investment

[brisk trail]

ok then

[quaint hatch]

Crit is 3x
That's why I said 1k with a chance of 30%x10 to to 3k

[molten nymph]

||hades call|| you need to go with greater call

[quaint hatch]

So like 3% chance basically more or less

[molten nymph]

then it gives a huge boost to your power

[brisk trail]

I always thought ||hades|| call was bad

[quaint hatch]

Nah

[brisk trail]

oh ok den

uh

whacha typing monka?

[exotic furnace]

crit is 300% damage, so lets say you crit 3 out of 10 arrows (because you have a 35% chance of a crit according to wiki). thats 700 + 3*300 = 1600, so 16 times the base damage of 1 arrow. 2500/16=156.25 means you need a 156.25 damage arrow to be as storng as aphro against a single enemy @quaint hatch

[quaint hatch]

Not the best on anything but on strong single hit weps

[brisk trail]

...

ok den

[quaint hatch]

That's why it's worse

[exotic furnace]

did i do it correctly?

[brisk trail]

i guess?

[quaint hatch]

Cause you only have a chance to do better dmg

[brisk trail]

im too lazy to meth

[exotic furnace]

hmm

[brisk trail]

MATH

I MEAN MATH

[quaint hatch]

Not quite accreate I think

[exotic furnace]

thats not how it works lol

sometimes it's worse, sometimes it's better

this calculation is bsaed on the average

[brisk trail]

ya i agree

uh huh

[quaint hatch]

You need like a 250 dmg arrow to do the same dmg without crtis

[molten nymph]

if the average slightly edge out i'll take consistency any day tbh

[exotic furnace]

im not saying without crits dude

[quaint hatch]

In a lot of cas s it will be worse

[brisk trail]

what is the most common area to get legendary boons?

[molten nymph]

if the average is worse then there's no point

[quaint hatch]

Broken down I think it's a 3% chance to get the full damage for artemis call

[brisk trail]

my first legend was in the green kingdom

[molten nymph]

uh... elysium/asphodel for me

[exotic furnace]

how do you get 3%?

[quaint hatch]

So in 97% of cases it will be worse

[brisk trail]

i am too lazy to scroll to the top

[exotic furnace]

this is getting too detailed for this chat

[quaint hatch]

30%x10 since every arrow needs to crit individually

[brisk trail]

ya uh

[exotic furnace]

lets continue in builds and combat

[brisk trail]

STOP MY BRAIN IS GUNNA IMPLODE

thank you

[exotic furnace]

yeah person man is gonna die

[brisk trail]

thanks]\

anyways

how are yall?

...nice

[quaint hatch]

Sleepy

[brisk trail]

sad for you

uh

take a nap maybe?

what time is it for you or do you wanna take a nap?

[quaint hatch]

2:20 AM

Eh I'm having weekend
So no pressure

[warped atlas]

im not really trying to have a huge challenge, i just want to get some more loot, which punishments should i choose for i regular run on heat level 3?

[quaint hatch]

Just take TD1 and MM
MM was 2 heat right?

[warped atlas]

i will check

yeah those sound good, idk why i havent used td1 before it doesnt seem very hard at the point im at

[quaint hatch]

I hate timers too xD

[molten nymph]

ye

[quaint hatch]

But once you realise it's 36 minut s for a run

[warped atlas]

and the timer even stops when im in dialogue right?

[molten nymph]

if you're using fists or rails DC is also free

timer stops when you're in dialogue, codex, or thanatos rooms

[quaint hatch]

It stops in dialogue, npc rooms, than, pause menu, codex

[molten nymph]

or pause

yea

[quaint hatch]

Finished boss rooms and transition areas

Just pause when deciding which chamber to take

[warped atlas]

cool

[molten nymph]

and first zones

[nocturne copper]

the concentrated knuckle says it does +5 base damage for every consecutive hit, does that mean in an attack string or until they die?

[warped atlas]

im not sure, i always assumed it was in an attack string

[sharp fossil]

it’s an attack string

[quaint hatch]

But if you cancel attack string it should keep stacking afaik right?

[brisk trail]

I honestly prefer having the timer on rather than not

[shut topaz]

the thesius boss is really making me consider grinding up my god mode to 80

[old sapphire]

hi, had a question if enabling god mode adds any indication you used it on your profile

or is supposed to i mean

like I enabled it to test it out

then was bummed since it said God Mode on my profile select screen

but then it went away

[narrow hemlock]

its only there when you have it enabled

[brisk trail]

seems like you answered your own question

[narrow hemlock]

you can turn it on and off at any point

[old sapphire]

well i was wondering if there was some permenant mark

[narrow hemlock]

its not a permanent thing

[brisk trail]

there's no downside to using godmode which I really like

[old sapphire]

ahhh ok

[narrow hemlock]

its just to indicate that you, at that moment, have it on

[brisk trail]

I'll never use it bc I like pain but I'm really glad it's there

[old sapphire]

that's cool

yeah it was bugging my OCD seeing that

glad i can turn it back on if i want

was dissapointed since i escaped without using it

used it to try

and then saw the mark

[quaint hatch]

You can turn it off and on everytime

[shut topaz]

god mode is pretty bleh until at least 50

[quaint hatch]

Even just before boss you have trouble with

You won't lose percentage

[shut topaz]

i wanna tank minotaur charges

seriously did it HAVE to be minotaur and thesius? i feel like just thesius wouldve been enough

[quaint hatch]

Hydra has 6 heads fighting you

[shut topaz]

the heads go down fast

[quaint hatch]

9 in total

[shut topaz]

yes, but i can deal with the heads in like 10 seconds per

[quaint hatch]

It's still more numbers

[shut topaz]

its not 2 really tanky bosses fighting you at the same time

while one of them spams you with arrows when youre focusing the other

[winter harbor]

They had to make it more difficult somehow

Yeah, theseus is a pushover

[manic bobcat]

well at least they have sound clues and indicators for you to dodge the arrows.

well, technically spear.

[quiet gull]

Learning to dodge one while fighting the other is a good test of skill

Most of them

Dio, probably

[shut topaz]

dio's fountain boon is so nice

stacking damage buff and full heal at fountains

[exotic furnace]

the fountain boon is one of the strongest ones

[manic bobcat]

cries in LC4

[shut topaz]

LC4?

[exotic furnace]

even at common, which is strange imo

[manic bobcat]

it's essentially a late game challenge

you can't heal

yes and no

there is a pool of 4 gods at a time

[exotic furnace]

oh really

[manic bobcat]

so if you pick one, they are likely to reappear

[exotic furnace]

thats good to know

[manic bobcat]

but they can also appear once

there are exceptions if you force other ones in via God Keepsake

which will kick one of the old ones out if you already have from 4

[exotic furnace]

does heroic always replace a previous boon?

i feel like i never got it straight up

in nearly a 100 runs

[manic bobcat]

Max rarity you get is Epic

Each time you exchange you get a rarity up

So yes

[exotic furnace]

ahh

i see

[manic bobcat]

But you can also get Heroic via Eurydice

[exotic furnace]

cool

[granite ether]

or rare crop

[manic bobcat]

also true

ty Aggy

[cerulean robin]

or one of Demeter's boons

[exotic furnace]

one more thing thats always puzzled me.. if you go to the menu where you can see all your boons and mirror stuff, you can click on the boons and they appear in the middle of the screen

but it doesnt seem to do anything

and when you select one, it gets a little golden thing in the menu on the left

[manic bobcat]

yeah they have no gameplay value

they are there so you can read the boons. in the end game screen you can also pin them to "show off"

[exotic furnace]

oh okay

[manic bobcat]

but other than that it doesn't do anything

[exotic furnace]

alright thanks

i once had lightning rod and it killed the third boss and cleared the entire styx region almost for free

i had 3 casts and i just threw them out and then waited

[tepid plover]

You can get heroic from eurydice, rare crop, or exchanges

[green maple]

doesnt heroic sometimes just happen to pop up?

[tepid plover]

No

[green maple]

for exchanges you mean

[tepid plover]

Oh yes

[green maple]

a boon alternation?

[tepid plover]

Thats what I said

Exchanges

[green maple]

for example dio atk->arty atk?

[tepid plover]

Only if its exchanging an epic boon

[green maple]

ohhh

that

alright makes sense

[tepid plover]

It goes up 1 rarity

[green maple]

ohh

and about rare crop tho

[tepid plover]

So if its common it will be rare, if its rare it will be epic, and if its epic it will be heroic

[green maple]

sometimes deme be clowning me, rare crop in styx is nothing demeter

[tepid plover]

Rare crop in styx isnt bad

You can max in 2 tunnels

[green maple]

hmmm

oh?

[tepid plover]

You only need 9 rooms

Each tunnel has 5

So 2 tunnels = 10

[exotic furnace]

but doesnt it pick boons randomly?

[tepid plover]

Yes

[quiet gull]

Four or five

Not always five

[tepid plover]

Always 5

Lol

4 if the last room has the fountain

[green maple]

ohhh

[tepid plover]

In which case, is still 9, enough for rare crop

[green maple]

yes, sometimes it chooses to troll me with picking some weird boons

[tepid plover]

Lmfao someone shared screenshots of rare crop athena dash

🥲

[exotic furnace]

lol

[cedar remnant]

Pressing f10 just turned my screen black

[tepid plover]

Cause it opens another tab

[cedar remnant]

I wanna save 😿

[exotic furnace]

it does extra damage though

[tepid plover]

The bug report tab

Just alt tab and close the bug report

[cedar remnant]

no other tab opened

[tepid plover]

It shoukd

Should

[cedar remnant]

it didn't

[tepid plover]

Alt tab

Or windows tab

[cedar remnant]

How do you think I'm in discord my m8

[tepid plover]

I dunno mate, I hear some funky stories here everyday

[manic bobcat]

on your phone?

[tepid plover]

^

[cedar remnant]

nope 😬

[manic bobcat]

anyhow, reset and F10 again maybe?

or ask in #h1-tech-support

[tepid plover]

If youre back in the house you might be able to recover the run

Theres a fix in #h1-tech-fixes

[exotic furnace]

how do you write the stripe for the spoiler tag?

i dont want to have to copy paste from somewhere every time i need to use it

[tepid plover]

||

[exotic furnace]

lol

[cedar remnant]

Oh it showed up, phew

[tepid plover]

On both sides

|| like this||

[cedar remnant]

😳

[exotic furnace]

i meant, how do you create that character?

[cedar remnant]

???

[tepid plover]

Uhm

[sweet prism]

Without spoiling, could anyone let me know what is needed to do to unlock ||the hidden aspects for the gun, the shield and the bow?|| if it requires spoilers maybe as vague as possible... or with relation to what is required?

[cedar remnant]

press shift and \

[tepid plover]

^

[exotic furnace]

woah

[cedar remnant]

or switch to a different symbol page on your phone

[exotic furnace]

magic

[tepid plover]

Check pinned messages in #h1-story-discussion

[exotic furnace]

omg

the character has been on my keyboard the whole time

[tepid plover]

Lol

[sweet prism]

spooky... I dont want other things spoiled if its in there

or what they are

lol

[cedar remnant]

@sweet prism basically invest blood and talk to everyone

[exotic furnace]

it probably involves injecting titan blood up its rear and clearing runs with it

[tepid plover]

I mean you already know of the existence of them, so as long as you check only that message you should be fine

[manic bobcat]

One of the hidden stuff needs to be unlocked before those are available. The general best approach to this this is to play the game and unlock as many stuff as possible.

[tepid plover]

Uhm, the weapons drink the blood, you dont inject them with it

[sweet prism]

on the specific weapons ? or just overall for blood I mean

[exotic furnace]

i only put blood in 2 weapons and only got those 2 aspects

[sweet prism]

I speak to everyone with a ! after everyone run, and try to gift as much as possible lol

[manic bobcat]

Spoiler for that: ||You need to unlock spear 4th first, which is a requirement||

[manic bobcat]

Spend blood.

[sweet prism]

Ive blooded all xD maybe its the ||zag aspects you need to invest in||

I have the spear sword and fists ones

[manic bobcat]

oh you do

[exotic furnace]

if you give skelly gifts hell tell you a cool secret

[sweet prism]

I max'd skelly lol

[manic bobcat]

nvm, then you need to talk to certain people to get the waking words

[sweet prism]

come to think of it

[cedar remnant]

Blood to Zag's doesn't count

[sweet prism]

Ive maxd the ||zag trait|| on every weapon I have it for... lol

[cedar remnant]

hahah

[exotic furnace]

lol

[manic bobcat]

They already unlocked hidden aspects for those though

Just keep doing what you are doing.

[cedar remnant]

Sounds like he spent all his blood on zag aspects hahaha

[sweet prism]

nah

I have every weapon cleared for ||heat 1-4||

so I have others leveled too lol

[manic bobcat]

so did you unlock any hidden stuff at all?

[exotic furnace]

i used to spend titan blood to see what happens and then quit and reload my save if nothing happens :P

[sweet prism]

XD

yeah I got sword spear and fists

[manic bobcat]

ok then unlock more stuff and may be try to talk to as many folks as possible?

emphasizing on unlocking

[exotic furnace]

i had like 23 blood saved up and spent it all to max out the last remaining levels of a weapon, hoping i would unlock the final aspect and still no luck :P

[sweet prism]

ah

[manic bobcat]

not investing in already unlocked stuff

[exotic furnace]

(eventually i did unlock new aspects)

[sweet prism]

speaking of that...

[tepid plover]

I had like 120 blood saved at one point

[exotic furnace]

lol

[sweet prism]

trading ambro for blood... worth? lol, I have 22 ambrosia and a couple people alredy gifted with it

[manic bobcat]

yup

fine to trade like 5 or 6

[tepid plover]

If you dont need the ambrosia

Yes

[manic bobcat]

i wouldn't go higher though, until much later

[exotic furnace]

i didnt trade ambro for blood because im not in a hurry to get blood

[tepid plover]

Facts

[exotic furnace]

and the shopkeeper is a scam artist

only 1 honest deal a day

[manic bobcat]

he is

[tepid plover]

You will get everything at one point

[sweet prism]

ya I was assuming

[manic bobcat]

1 tb for 200 gems omegalul

[exotic furnace]

lol

[sweet prism]

but I was thinking what evertual need of everything would be

[manic bobcat]

like what even is that deal

[sweet prism]

and it seems like ambro is like the lowest #

while blood is probably over 300

[manic bobcat]

you will have more ambrosia than needed

[tepid plover]

I used to take that a lot when I was missing cosmetics

[exotic furnace]

you never have enough ambrosia

[manic bobcat]

lul

[exotic furnace]

you can always get drunk if you cant beat em4

[tepid plover]

I wish I could give bouldy ambrosia

Give my ambrosia a point

[sweet prism]

okay 1 last question my doods

[exotic furnace]

it took me a really long time to realize nectar is probably alcohol

[sweet prism]

maxing trinkets, is that needed for anything? XD

[tepid plover]

Yes

[sweet prism]

ffs

[tepid plover]

When you max a trinket they get better

[fringe sentinel]

Do you need access to more boons to make casting builds work? I'm not using the more boons darkness nor the erebus stuff

[sweet prism]

I went lazy boi and just ran my fav's

[tepid plover]

Oh

Yeha that's what I meant

Theres no point in maxing the ones you dont use unless you're not a completionist

[tepid plover]

Not really

[exotic furnace]

legend has it that when you beat em4 50 times in a row while wearing a trinket, you get a level 4

[tepid plover]

[cedar remnant]

unless you are a completionist

[unkempt ferry]

Chaos boi is very cool and his egg

[cedar remnant]

want to kiss their lucky egg?

[exotic furnace]

chaos is a they

/them

[cedar remnant]

(please get reference)

[unkempt ferry]

Boi ain’t specific

[exotic furnace]

oh

[cedar remnant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKer-UG5EJY

[tepid plover]

Thanks, im kinda drunk

[sweet prism]

yo

[cedar remnant]

Lay off the ambrosia!

[sweet prism]

chaos one is worth it

the quest you get is hilarious

[exotic furnace]

lol

[sweet prism]

I thought you needed to max the trinket to finish off the bond with characters

[exotic furnace]

definitely

[sweet prism]

if thats not so then dope

[tepid plover]

You dont lol

[sweet prism]

luckily I have hermes already max'd

[exotic furnace]

damn

[sweet prism]

zag fists + feather = casual run ez pz

[exotic furnace]

i wish i hadnt read that

[tepid plover]

Oops hold up

[exotic furnace]

its okay

[tepid plover]

Just in case

[exotic furnace]

its not really a spoiler probably

thats just the risk of hanging out here

[tepid plover]

Is not, but it might be

[exotic furnace]

im just a little anal about discovering things for myself

[tepid plover]

A little what

[manic bobcat]

meticulous

[exotic furnace]

[tepid plover]

Oh they mean the same thing?

[exotic furnace]

persnickety

[manic bobcat]

yeah. I think anal with that meaning has something to do with Freud and his studies.

[tepid plover]

Interesting

[warped atlas]

which one is better between gods pride and gods legacy?

[tepid plover]

Both

[manic bobcat]

Either

[wintry trail]

the one I switch between the most

[rare obsidian]

Zeus call + zeus/aphrodite duo is OP

[manic bobcat]

I like having Epic over duos/legendary so

[tepid plover]

Are you aiming for specific legendaries/duos? Then legacy, if not pride

But one isnt better than the other

They serve different purposes

[warped atlas]

yeah i have full 20% on the epic upgrade, i think ill keep that one for now

[wintry trail]

nevermind mixed them up. I amlost always use Gods' Legacy because not being able to find the duo boon ur building around is frustrating

[tepid plover]

I use pride too

[rare obsidian]

I find legendaries/duos to completely take over the timbre of the run, makes it very fun

[wintry trail]

but if I don't plan to use a duo boon, the epic chance is good

[rare obsidian]

Though more often then not I don't get sea storm when I'm looking for it :(

[wintry trail]

yea legendaries and duos are so cool to make builds around

[tepid plover]

The only time i used legacy was to get pos fishing boon so I could sell it

[wintry trail]

used to be so unlocky, but now I can always get the duo I want

[brisk trail]

I got Hermes legendary on a non cast run so that was a free achievement lol

[tepid plover]

Nice

🎉

[brisk trail]

good stuff

[exotic furnace]

nooo

but hes our friend

[brisk trail]

bone hydra, hiss once if you think you're going to lose

[wintry trail]

I got chaos duo boon and defeated hades with 5 death defiance left lol. Should have put extreme measures 4 on

[tepid plover]

I often forget ||lernie isnt called lernie from the beginning ||

[wintry trail]

that blasted hydra must be back by now

[iron ether]

ok uhm. everytime i need to get the satyr sack i do Coin then Heart chambers in that order. It always gets me the satyr sack. Everytj=ime i don't do that order it takes more then two chambers. So. If you do Coin the Heart do you have a 100% chance to get the sack?

[brisk trail]

everything does lol

[wintry trail]

all bosses do lol

[exotic furnace]

dio how many hours do you have in the game?

[tepid plover]

Everything becomes easier with dash deflect

[brisk trail]

I do the two boss chambers

[wintry trail]

dash deflect most picked boon gang