But seriously, use dash attack more
#h1-discussion
honest zephyr
well i need surface for demeter so like spear special spamming thatg is out of question for me
quiet gull
Never regular attack
stable meadow
oh
nocturne copper
speaking of demeter
stable meadow
So thats what im doing wrong
brazen portal
me 2
honest zephyr
the main enemies i get there are like the respawning sword and sheild guys seem to get lots of them
nocturne copper
is she only unlocked after completing a run or was that a crazy coincidence for me?
quiet gull
is she only unlocked after completing a run or was that a crazy coincidence for ...
You have to reach the final boss
nocturne copper
ok just making sure
quiet gull
the main enemies i get there are like the respawning sword and sheild guys seem ...
A big thing newbies get hung up on is they dont deal enough damage. You need to be really aggressive, and learn which boons actually deal the most damage with the weapons they have
Hiding behind your shield waiting for the perfect moment just gives the enemies more chances to whittle you down
neon dove
Especially with shield
stable meadow
For spear use butterfly trinket
Trust me
Try not to get hit for all of first biomie
honest zephyr
i have lvl 2 butterfly just got it today
neon dove
If you're holding your attack, trying to block, you (and I assume this has likely happened) get swarmed by a 2nd or 3rd swordsman, so that's why you'll need to be aggro in Elysium
stable meadow
It helps a lot for spear
neon dove
@honest zephyr Are you able to clear the first biome without getting hit? If not, I disagree with bow bro. Otherwise, I second his point
or their, sorry
quiet gull
Butterfly isnt even that good imo
neon dove
I've scarcely used it
stable meadow
Eh
quiet gull
If they're having this much trouble, I think it's best to just use Athena's keepsake and go for dash and call
neon dove
Especially if a newer player can't get through most of the biome without taking damage
neon dove
@honest zephyr Shield with athena works for me as well and I know it's your preferred, Thrill. As for dealing with shields and swords, are you just getting a lot of them on top of you at once or is reading their abilities just something you're still getting the hang of?
stable meadow
I just got ares legendary for blade rift
brisk trail
It's aight.
stable meadow
The one that increases damage for each consecutive hit
fierce vessel
how good is the special spear?
brisk trail
4th Aspect, Bulletbombat?
stable meadow
Compared to the other special / hidden omes
fierce vessel
yes
stable meadow
The ares legendary for blade rift with two is getting me up to 1k damage per use
ember rune
still hesitating on buying this game or not, how do you guys enjoy the game so far?
ember rune
it's a rpg game?
fierce vessel
rougelite
ember rune
I like the graphics
fierce vessel
a game with random everything (mostly)
manic bobcat
It has rpg element but not an rpg game
fierce vessel
enemies you could get, upgrades your could get and layout for some things
ember rune
a game with random everything (mostly)
that's cool
fierce vessel
it is
ember rune
I'm hesistating because it's quite expensive for me, so the only chance for me is buying it during the sale
fierce vessel
ah
manic bobcat
what's rougelite?
In short, it's an action game with procedurally generated enemies. So no two runs will be the same. It is also known for its difficulty. You are supposed to finish the game from start to end in one go.
ember rune
so gathering comments from players now
ember rune
In short, it's an action game with procedurally generated enemies. So no two run...
so it's the kind of game to like you need to spend a couple of hours from start to finish?
manic bobcat
Well it's quite hard, so you will do many many attempts
ember rune
If it's $20, it is on sale
yeah it's still is the most expensive game that I buy if I buy it 😆
manic bobcat
But once you are familiar, a run is about 20-40 mins
stable meadow
Its not really hard
manic bobcat
roguelite is a genre of game
stable meadow
Its just that its a rouge like and may take getting used to
ember rune
ohh you can run different times for different stories?
winter harbor
Perma death but this is lighter compared to other roguelites because there is some meta progression
stable meadow
Yeah
winter harbor
Even if you die you still advance the story
manic bobcat
also, you can "try" the game for 2 hours if you are on steam
if you don't like it then you can ask for a refund
winter harbor
You can get darkness and keys to make your character stronger between runs
manic bobcat
I don't recommend abusing this. But if you legit just want to try, there is no harm.
You just buy the game.
winter harbor
And gems, I guess, for the house contractor so you get more stuff from the various zones
manic bobcat
Then if it's not your cup of tea, there is a refund function.
ember rune
Then if it's not your cup of tea, there is a refund function.
but I think I won't request for a refund after that 😆
manic bobcat
You can Google it.
Basically it's a 2 hour limit
There has been exceptions for more,though I wouln't test your luck if this is really your most expensive game so far.
stable meadow
Hades is basically the best rouge like game i have played other than dead cells (in terms of story balance and difficulty curve and finally art )
manic bobcat
Alternatively you can look at gameplay footage online.
Haelian Youtube channel is a good one.
ember rune
yep I'm looking up for that
modest phoenix
Hey I know the devs are trying to fix an issue about Hades not opening on the macbook air,
does anyone know if the issue has been fixed yet or maybe when it'll be fixed :?
sorry for interrupting the convo
neon dove
@ember rune The gameplay and art is fun, but what keeps you are the characters and the depth of details
stable meadow
Yeah
modest phoenix
try <#520430049003044864>
thx thx
neon dove
Every part of the game is solid - music, characters, side stories, replayability, customization...
stable meadow
Its story centered (but in no area does it slack ecept being a bullet hell fairly )
Like why ARE THERE 10 ELITE SHOT GUN CASTERS ANF OTHER ENEMIES ATTACKING AT SAME TIME
only complaint
ember rune
Every part of the game is solid - music, characters, side stories, replayability...
I'm more concerned of the replayability, how is it?
weary urchin
hello 550 hours reporting in
winter harbor
Yeah, the witches circle is brutal in asphodel
stable meadow
Nvm 125 hours
stable meadow
Yeah, the witches circle is brutal in asphodel
Im not talking about that
neon dove
I'm more concerned of the replayability, how is it?
Hmm, so roguelites are played in rounds, like they mentioned. So in that sense, the replayability is crazy. I've put about as much time in as bow bro and the aspect that are repeated are just as fun every time
ember rune
hello 550 hours reporting in
that's insane
winter harbor
There’s still replay value even after you finish the story
neon dove
What types of games do you normally play?
manic bobcat
I'm more concerned of the replayability, how is it?
If you are familiar with roguelite in general, replayability is the strength of this genre. And Hades, let me tell you, is one of the best roguelite you will ever play (and I play a decent amount of that).
stable meadow
Im talking about elite swarm in Asphodel
stable meadow
The one where like 100 enemies spawn throughout the encounter or more
manic bobcat
numbers are skewed
fierce vessel
it's not 1000 hours enter the gungeon tho
ember rune
numbers are skewed
true lol
weary urchin
you may not encounter many negative opinions about the game here haha
manic bobcat
but if Steam achievement is anything to go buy, 44% of players gets to the end credit
fierce vessel
besides for the witches mini boss
stable meadow
it's not 1000 hours enter the gungeon tho
I know a guy who has a year in total time on master chief collection
Like 365 days
ember rune
you may not encounter many negative opinions about the game here haha
yeah even on steam there are barely negative comments
fierce vessel
wow
manic bobcat
which means 44% of players spend at least 40 hours in the game, and that's a very conservative figure.
stable meadow
Yeah
opaque ember
Almost 100 hours in and story is not over for me
manic bobcat
a reasonable one to get to end credit is probably near 100 hours
ember rune
which means 44% of players spend at least 40 hours in the game, and that's a ver...
wow
stable meadow
120 in and still haven't finished most of the story
manic bobcat
ok, enough praises
now to why you don't want Hades
a) if you don't like roguelite, this isn't your game
neon dove
I disagree with that, but continue
stable meadow
Isnt that the only reason
opaque ember
How can you not want to try, it's so cheap for a game like this
manic bobcat
b) it's difficult, if you want story time only game, this isn't your game, though I beg you to try
The sotry is worth it
granite ether
though I don't like most rogue-lites and I love Hades
manic bobcat
Manage expectation folks
stable meadow
If you have played dead cells and like it you would love hades
i got to 3bc on dead cells
neon dove
I sort of agree with FoxHope -
a) I don't play many roguelites and loved it.
b) The difficulty can hurt players. I know some people that are struggling to get into it as a result, but if you can deal with it, it's a great game
winter harbor
There’s god mode if you find it really difficult
manic bobcat
exceptions exist. the game is good and is a good introduction to roguelite.
stable meadow
try hollow night or gungeon if you want to Pain
winter harbor
But generally, if I lose, I think it’s due to the strength of my build and not my reflexes
manic bobcat
I have seen people hate this genre because it's "repetitive"
neon dove
This one isn't for me
ember rune
me too
winter harbor
I like this genre for the various synergies you can get
Admittedly I don’t usually do action roguelites
stable meadow
do you know how to build a engine in a game (like making something that synergizes )
neon dove
If you do want to try roguelites, this one is your best bet since afterwards, you'll know if you like them or not
granite ether
for me, the lack of any progression story wise when you die is what turns me off most other rogue-lites
winter harbor
Generally, gods synergize with themselves
manic bobcat
I mean Hades kinda left Risk of Rain 2 in the shadow
which is also a really big roguelite this year.
winter harbor
Also if there’s a duo boon you really want, you can try pairing gods with each other
weary urchin
agreed with aggy - for me the fact that the story is told through dying rather than in spite of it made playing hades enjoyable to me
stable meadow
I am a introvert and because of covid (i like sink a disapointing amount of time into games )
If you like looter shooters then you most likely would like hades (to a extent )
manic bobcat
honestly from this convo, I think Hades attracts players not because of the rogue but because of the lite lol
stable meadow
Eww lite mode
manic bobcat
like I said, it's a good introduction to the genre
ember rune
lol I just check out the comments and there are only 800+ negative comments compare to 77000+ positive comments
winter harbor
It’s kinder compared to other roguelites
granite ether
it's kinda similar to why I love Pyre, it melds 2 things incredibly well together in a way I would have never expected to work as well as they did
winter harbor
Slay the spire and FTL both only has unlocks but nothing that helps you win the game like in Hades
manic bobcat
it isn't a roguelite though
ember rune
Slay the spire and FTL both only has unlocks but nothing that helps you win the ...
interesting, I play Slay the Spire, is that a rougelite game?
stable meadow
Huj
manic bobcat
puts on elitist hat
nocturne copper
well... it can be
manic bobcat
interesting, I play Slay the Spire, is that a rougelite game?
yes
stable meadow
You play SLAY THR SPIRE
manic bobcat
but it's turn based
ember rune
yep
winter harbor
Well, there’s permadeath , yes
manic bobcat
this is action real time
manic bobcat
but the gameplay loop, enemy generation, etc. is the same, random
stable meadow
like slay the spire just causes my brain to dopamine
ember rune
ohh then I can imagine how this game looks like
manic bobcat
ok take Slay the Spire, replace the playing cards with action RPG
but in the end you still get upgrades that you can choose similar to how you pick cards
manic bobcat
and you build up a strong character to conquer the next room
get rewards, rinse repeat
stable meadow
With room system almost identical to slay the spire
ember rune
great I think I'll go through the comments and gameplay today and spent the whole Sunday playing it
since I'm free tomorrow
winter harbor
The difference is that in Hades is that it’s more possible to win using only your starter stuff (no boons)
But that is a challenge you probably shouldn’t attempt until you’re much better at the game
manic bobcat
yeah, that's an edge case tbh
quaint hatch
That's just down to skill
stable meadow
And luck
quaint hatch
Like saying you can beat TBoI with isaac
stable meadow
Since you may end up possibly being forced to take a boon
quaint hatch
Nah hades is really skill dependent imo
Aside from TD3 sack luck
ember rune
Wanted to play this so bad but I cannot get my progress to save. I've done all the suggestions and nothing works. Given up in frustration.
Lol, saw this comment when I was scrolling through the negative comments
winter harbor
Yeah, the last biome may force you to take a boon that you can’t purge
stable meadow
Also do you get a special ending for not having any darkness upgrades and winning a run
manic bobcat
Personal ranking for roguelites:
- Hades
- Darkest Dungeon
- The Binding of Isaac
- Enter the Gungeon
- Risk of Rain 2
- FTL: Faster than Light
- XCOM: Enemy Within (it's not a roguelite but I like to think it is)
- Nuclear Throne
- Slay the Spire
- Downwell
stable meadow
Where is dead cells
quaint hatch
Also do you get a special ending for not having any darkness upgrades and winnin...
Try it
manic bobcat
I don't own dead cell
stable meadow
ok
manic bobcat
maybe later
stable meadow
It is hard
quaint hatch
Dead cells=worse hades
ember rune
I tried FTL
manic bobcat
so I heard
quaint hatch
stable meadow
Dead cells=worse hades
YOU DID NOT JUS
ember rune
I tried FTL
it's quite fun as well
quaint hatch
Get triggered
stable meadow
litterly dead cells is a amazing game requires large amounts fo skill is very fluid and has quite possibly the biggest plot twist i have ever seen
quaint hatch
Only problem I have with dead cells is that the BC system feels way too punishing
stable meadow
na
quaint hatch
Heat is just a way better difficulty controller
stable meadow
It ups the damage on your weapons
winter harbor
Heat is way more modular
stable meadow
And allows them to be upgraded to higher quality
quaint hatch
litterly dead cells is a amazing game requires large amounts fo skill is very fl...
Lol you must have seen very few stories then
winter harbor
I still think heightened security should be at least two heat
quaint hatch
Heat is way more modular
That's what I mean
stable meadow
what bc did you get to
manic bobcat
Heat is way more modular
tell that to #h1-high-heat-strategies where they just jam most everything in one run and suffer
quaint hatch
Heat allows for way more fine-tuning
stable meadow
Yeah
manic bobcat
define light?
quaint hatch
BC's just slap on stuff and you gotta deal with it
manic bobcat
like storage wise?
winter harbor
Approval process feels bad
stable meadow
Dead cells is not a game meant to have difficulty tweaks but stuff to help negate the difficulty slightly or make it more accessible
quaint hatch
Approval process cranks up the randomness reliance real quick
stable meadow
From the upgrades
winter harbor
Underworld customs is less bad, because you can at least prepare for it by getting some boons that are unnecessary to your build
quaint hatch
Dead cells is not a game meant to have difficulty tweaks but stuff to help negat...
My man there's no argument against fine tuning in difficulty and accessibility
winter harbor
I’m just lucky that it didn’t strike out my duos
manic bobcat
yeah, Roguelike means game like Rogue (an ancient RPG that kinda kickstarted the gerne). RogueLITE is a variation of Roguelike where meta progression exists or is way more forgiving.
quaint hatch
That's just an elitist way of thinking
winter harbor
Still didn’t let me get an early divine dash though
quaint hatch
You never needed to defend it
manic bobcat
So Roguelite is a portmanteau of a portmanteau (Roguelike).
stable meadow
Hey man you were like hades > dead cells
winter harbor
There’s a really strict interpretation that says roguelikes have to be top down dungeon crawlers with permadeath, like caves of qud
quaint hatch
I wasn't
manic bobcat
You can download the original Rogue for free by the way, but like I said, it's ancient
stable meadow
you can't compare the two one is a metroidvania rouge like 2d game and the other is a hack and slash top down rpg
quaint hatch
Better art, better story, voice acting, more fine tuning
They're both roguelikes/lites
It's not as much if a metroidvania
stable meadow
Dead cells is like dark souls the story is up to your interpretation
Yeah i get that comes off as lazy
quaint hatch
Yes you get progression abilities
fierce vessel
which ending?
quaint hatch
M8 you need to watch some more movies and play some more games it you find dead cells story twist amazing
fierce vessel
I think it's fine
manic bobcat
is it like Fight Club twist?
stable meadow
Like a pretzel twist
manic bobcat
so like inception twist
quaint hatch
It's fine but it's the basic definition of a story twist
manic bobcat
well I think Mario has the biggest twist
because the princess is always in another castle
stable meadow
Toad is a pariste
fierce vessel
I don't know if your lying or not, I never played sonic
quaint hatch
The robots were animals man
fierce vessel
most likely lying
manic bobcat
Mission Impossible movies has the silliest twist ever as the mission always turns out to be possible
stable meadow
Bem Shapiro sonic creepy pasta was the greatest plot twist ever
quaint hatch
It's called sarcasm
manic bobcat
Like after 3 movies we all know the twist
fierce vessel
I know
quaint hatch
Mission Impossible movies has the silliest twist ever as the mission *always* tu...
Thanks for spoiling you fricker
stable meadow
Bland james bland
quaint hatch
Well at least i don't have to go financially support scientology man now
manic bobcat
true that
stable meadow
plot twist ThE suN Is a DeAdLy LaSeR NoT Any more we got a blanket
brisk trail
hewwo
neon dove
Sup, Cheiro
brisk trail
I finished Ash1ta no joe, now I don't have anything to watch
quaint hatch
Watch hades cinematic trailer on repeat
brisk trail
don't translate my name from portuguese to english 😱
brisk trail
Watch hades cinematic trailer on repeat
I didn't even realize there was a trailer
quaint hatch
SexyZag.gif
neon dove
Low key, wish there was a zag closet
quaint hatch
Wut
neon dove
Like
manic bobcat
wut
neon dove
You could unlock Zagreus clothes
So change the color of his vestments
Imagine "Darkness Zagreus", covered in Nyx's colors
ripe herald
Watch hades cinematic trailer on repeat
I think I've done this too many times
in all seriousness, that animation is very well done
pliant sparrow
cant be skins in this game cuz everything is frame by frame animation
quaint hatch
Imagine "Darkness Zagreus", covered in Nyx's colors
I only want woodland and chaos zag
pliant sparrow
you'd have to recolor thousands of pictures
ripe herald
just him flinging the sword at the hydra is mesmerizing and ofc THAT iconic scene
neon dove
I only want woodland and chaos zag
Woodland Zag would be dope
molten nymph
all i want is for themes to change the menu theme 
quaint hatch
Theres too much right with this game
brisk trail
You could unlock Zagreus clothes
why is his name so weird
or is it accurate to the mitology?
pliant sparrow
accurate
quaint hatch
It is
neon dove
you'd have to recolor thousands of pictures
That would really not be that difficult
quaint hatch
Ok do it then
molten nymph
i'm pretty sure its 3d models right?
pliant sparrow
nope
ripe herald
i'm pretty sure its 3d models right?
I don't think so
pliant sparrow
otherwise they would add in skins
ripe herald
oh I mean the animation
neon dove
Oh! Right, I forgot. They do really complex paint work
Yeah, that
Sorry, I totally forgot about that
quaint hatch
The portraits are 2D
Models ar different
molten nymph
oh potraits
manic bobcat
I am pretty sure Greg said that the game is a combination of hand drawn 2D and 3d modeling
quaint hatch
I'm sure we know more than the devs
manic bobcat
The 2D stuff is why getting skins in the game is hard
pliant sparrow
"Hades is a 2D game with no real-time 3D rendering. That means every single frame of Zagreus animation exists as a unique image.
For example, when Zagreus shoots his bow (the standard attack), it's a 104-frame animation rendered at 32 angles. So that's 3,328 frames for that one short animation. We also have two alternate Weapon Aspects (and later will add another), bringing that number up to 9,984 since our Weapon Aspects are 'reskins' of each weapon."
manic bobcat
I'm sure we know more than the devs<:squirtnya:472124054644457472>
except he literally had a long post on a Steam forum about this.
quaint hatch
And that statement was obviously serious
pliant sparrow
it was, yah...?
quaint hatch
"Hades is a 2D game with no real-time 3D rendering. That means every single fram...
Jesus christ imagining the overall numbers of images kills me
quaint hatch
well i can't tell the sarcasm there tbh
The indicated that
At least I thought so
quaint hatch
Appreciated
manic bobcat
I wonder what kind of proprietary engine they have though
Do they like at least have a name for it
quaint hatch
Woah it's amazing that they put the effort in of drawing every frame of animation
That makes alternate stuff insanely hard
Well at least additional gods/weapons /apsects may be a possibility
Likely not
But then I'll be looking forward to another SGG Banger
manic bobcat
just do 3d game and sell retexture cosmetics smh
quaint hatch
Insert terrible comparison
manic bobcat
pay now for a low low price of $4.99 for 100 000 Darkness, 20 Blood, etc. as well as new skins and exclusive legendary items
quaint hatch
Yey 20 more blood I can have lying around
But I'll throw any more money for hades I can at them
narrow hemlock
pretty much everything in the game exists as single frames of animation, even things like the call gauge and health bar believe it or not
quaint hatch
Unfortunately ordering stuff from us to german costs hella shipping :/
quaint hatch
pretty much everything in the game exists as single frames of animation, even th...
I don't wanna imagine the work sheesh
Now I need to at least put double the hours playtime Into the game to feel like I appreciated it somewhat accordingly xD
calm laurel
Nyx's hand template does a got eem
quaint hatch
Where are you pushing the sharks?
narrow hemlock
the amount of work put in the game is absolutely bonkers, i adore it
manic bobcat
only 3 years in EA
quaint hatch
Rarely ever had a game I appreciated so much
Especially in recent times
calm laurel
off
quaint hatch
Early access is always theast thing I think of when reading EA
calm laurel
usually an abyss
manic bobcat
Electronic Arts to me means Mass Effect trilogy and C&C
Otherwise the company is kinda dead to me
quaint hatch
Exclusive Access
calm laurel
Watch Game Grump's LoZ Wind Waker gameplay
green maple
How long is the sis' quest
quaint hatch
I know we all want to forget andromeda
green maple
😔
quaint hatch
🇷 🇦 🇳 🇩 🇴 🇲 Dialogue
quaint hatch
After that a contract should appear at work orders
quaint hatch
Consistently?
Shouldn't be a factor unfortunately
No I mean after you got all the dialogue triggers
winter harbor
You only need to talk to bouldy once
quaint hatch
You need dialogue from certain people
winter harbor
You can also give bouldy nectar but that only gives you a minor buff and doesn’t affect the quest
winter harbor
Also, you need to be pretty close to nyx so she’ll tell you where the contract is
winter harbor
Have you done the Orpheus questline?
quaint hatch
Maybe you don't get it because you don't do it for boukdy
Just for achilles
winter harbor
Pretty you only need either Sisyphus or Orpheus to be complete before you do patrochilles
quaint hatch
You need dialogue from ||nyx, meg and than I think|| for sys
Maybe hades
winter harbor
Not both
quaint hatch
I'm just figuring that from myth
Was p long ago I did the quest lol
green maple
Omg....
quaint hatch
Basically just boils down to: keep talking to people
quaint hatch
The first of many
green maple
quaint hatch
If you're anything like me you can only live in peace once you got them all
green maple
Lmao
IKR
THAT ONE FEELING
When you had none it feels like nothing but now it feels like ambrosia to everyone
quaint hatch
Well I for my part finally can
I don't wanna unsettle you but it took me like 150/160 hrs lol
Although I did it far from optimal ofc
calm bone
Raid: Shadow Legends is the HOTTEST mobile-fantasy RPG game of the YEAR
quaint hatch
Man everyone gets sponsored by them huh?
granite ether
they pay good money tbf
quaint hatch
Sell yourself out ig
manic bobcat
is Hades sponsored by Raid: Shadow Legends?
quaint hatch
What isn't
calm bone
gotta make ends... gotta make ends....
narrow hemlock
manic bobcat
You don't need money if you never had money
bargain economy best economy?
quaint hatch
No economy best economy
neon dove
It's called trading
quaint hatch
You spelled Communism wrong
fluid lily
Is there any reason not to do suicide runs if I want to move some of the dialogue forward or ||give more nectar|| for example?
pliant sparrow
no
manic bobcat
Obviously if you need to gift some specific character in run you need to reach them. But otherwise, suicide away.
hearty sierra
Helo
Yes just equip their keepsake and suicide away
Or, ya know, farm each run so you can get some of the more powerful things in the game
silver kestrel
Suicide is worth it to hear Zag/Hades/Hypnos/Meg etc dialogue commenting on how short your run was.
"I, uh, forgot my cthonic keys!"
unreal abyss
can we get hades plushies
manic bobcat
you can pray for SGG expanding their merch
or browse etsy i suppose
the game is popular enough, I am sure people will make some
narrow hemlock
plush commissions lol
a lot of people have done companion plushes but those have been largely personal pieces
warped atlas
how do i give ambrosia to people?
brisk trail
gotta give them enough nectar first
manic bobcat
gift them enough nectar to get them hooked
then you unleash the strong stuff and get them to a vicious circle of addiction
drug deal 101
warped atlas
do i just wait until the next time i see them and then the prompt will be for ambrosia instead of nectar?
manic bobcat
yeah
but for some of them
you will also need to do quests
it's specific to characters, anymore details should be asked in #h1-story-discussion imo
fluid lily
ended up having an amazing run
Going into the final region, 3 death defiances left. You guys think I should keep a lambent plume with +15% on it or skelly?
quiet gull
Skelly's keepsake isnt even good man
fluid lily
I also have this hermes boon which gives 100% on my attack depending on speed so I feel like it goes well with the plume
quiet gull
You shouldnt put it on in any scenario
fluid lily
maybe
i feel like its pretty useful early game though
and ive only cleared a couple times
quiet gull
Spiked Collar is better for "early game"
fluid lily
I guess I'll stick it with the lambent plume then
quiet gull
Have you seen the credits?
fathom mesa
Mmmm I’ve completed several runs now
silver kestrel
Yes, annoying your dad has a keepsake.
fathom mesa
One on each weapon and one or two on + heat
fathom mesa
O is there like a point in the story you see the credits? Does it not matter how many clears?
silver kestrel
Clears is for the credits. Relationships is for the rest of the story.
quiet gull
If you havent seen the credits, then you havent seen the credits. Keep playing to see the credits
fathom mesa
Lol I might have just don’t remember, one would think credits on first full clear, but okay will keep going
quiet gull
No
fathom mesa
Bought this game last week,really enjoying it
quiet gull
There are very specific conditions required to see the credits; you havent met them
fathom mesa
Kk ty
warped atlas
how many times do i upgrade fated authority for the max?
brisk trail
any use for diamonds other than contractor orders/songs?
pliant sparrow
Trading
brisk trail
ywah
pliant sparrow
Some lore stuff
warped atlas
i never really use well of Charon other than for buying death defiances, so ive just been using fated authority, is there any reason for persuasion other changing boons?
brisk trail
changing boons is busted
pliant sparrow
Persuasion is good for speedrunning
brisk trail
you have a much higher chance of getting the boon you want
radiant estuary
Relatively, anyways
manic bobcat
you are fine with either options
persuasion might be better for very niche situations
warped atlas
okay that makes sense, so just use the trinket of the god i want and then get the boon i want with persuasion?
pliant sparrow
Plus since u bring god boons for first two regions anyways i consider persuasion to be semi better
brisk trail
authority is good if u get doors that are like darkness or gems
manic bobcat
rolling for hammers/more boons early is great
pliant sparrow
Darkness/gems are ok they give health and gold
brisk trail
ye but you could have a boon instead
quiet gull
persuasion might be better for very *niche* situations
There's a reason you only get 4 rerolls with Persuasion, man. Even the devs understand it's more powerful
manic bobcat
rolling out of gems into darkness is great for emergency healing
winter harbor
I use persuasion because of god keepsakes + dark foresight are good at forcing gods you want
manic bobcat
There's a reason you only get 4 rerolls with Persuasion, man. Even the devs unde...
yeah, and it has 4 rerolls
brisk trail
dat 5 health though
pliant sparrow
Thats only cuz every reroll costs increasingly more
winter harbor
Also, I’m on my first approval process run, and it’s even better there, it allowed me to reroll for stuff I actually wanted
pliant sparrow
But fated authority is one every time
manic bobcat
for the vast majority of players, authority or persuasion doesn't matter
pick one and invest
simple as that
brisk trail
yeah just use the one u like
quiet gull
But one is clearly better than the other in this case
manic bobcat
it's not though
quiet gull
So why not tell them to use that
winter harbor
Because the first level of approval process limits you to two choices, and I was going for a cast build but wasn’t getting offered any casts early in the run
pliant sparrow
Fated authority is fine for casual play ig
manic bobcat
when I first started out and do my 32 heat runs, authority allows me to roll out of gems
brisk trail
the run I lost my streak on had no attack or cast boons near the end of elysium
manic bobcat
chasing certain legendary is also better on authority
brisk trail
fated persuasion couldn't help me at all lmfao
was just getting shafted the entire time
quiet gull
Rerolling blue laurel rooms is wild to me. The benefit is so slim it might as well be statistical noise
winter harbor
Yeah, you can get unlucky with persuasion and just get offered the same stuff
manic bobcat
one is not strictly better. stop saying that
quiet gull
The best blue laurel room is key precisely because of the rerolls, so you're rerolling just to get even? For five health?
manic bobcat
Rerolling blue laurel rooms is wild to me.
Again, reroll gems into darkness for Dark Regen and +5HP is a valid move
DARK REGEN
BRUH
not everyone runs LC4
winter harbor
I like rerolling into nectar for +lvl
quiet gull
Most people wont have dark regen on lmao
warped atlas
i didnt think about the fact that persuasion might be better for finishing prophecies
winter harbor
+random lvl, but still
manic bobcat
Most people wont have dark regen on lmao
what even is this statement
quiet gull
Definitely not someone still figuring out which key perk to invest in
warped atlas
hmm thats odd, i personally find dark regen more useful
molten nymph
...i like the +3 better
brisk trail
dark regen is good if u already got every bounty
Do people take dark regen more at higher heat? Or still preference?
winter harbor
I like +3 for Styx
brisk trail
cuz you get beeg heals after bosses
cause I dont find myself taking darkness a lot
+3 in styx is the main reason I run chthonic
winter harbor
You already get a fountain after every boss though
brisk trail
yea
manic bobcat
Do people take dark regen more at higher heat? Or still preference?
yeah they do, unless they are running LC4 which then it doesn't matter
winter harbor
That plus Charon well heals should be enough
manic bobcat
Dark Regen gives you more overall healing because high heat means you heal after bosses
molten nymph
ye
warped atlas
what is LC4?
narrow hemlock
p much the only way to regen health at lc4 is through stubborn defiance
manic bobcat
Speedrunners prefer Vitality because +3 health comes in handy to keep your High Confidence up
brisk trail
-100% healing effects
manic bobcat
so every mirror pacts have its use
brisk trail
sounds painful
manic bobcat
except for Abyssal xD
brisk trail
lol I didn't expect how much id miss the +3 hp when doing a fresh file run
manic bobcat
literally have never seen a victory screen or youtube vid with it
brisk trail
abyssal blood lole
narrow hemlock
most options in the game are fairly situational, there are instances where an option will be inherently better to take over something else, yes, but everything has its merit
brisk trail
I can see it being ok with hidden sord
put aphro attack on that bad boy and you're taking 0 damage(?)
idk if there's a hard cap for damage reduction
molten nymph
why reduce 25% damage when you can just kill faster
narrow hemlock
there is, you cant be fully invulnerable
brisk trail
+50% damage does not matter that much with hidden sord
pliant sparrow
On higher difficulty
brisk trail
because its additive
brisk trail
i am married to heartbreak strike
manic bobcat
ew
molten nymph
wait wont the 50% translate to ||100|| damage with hidden
and gets multiplied on crit
manic bobcat
it should
molten nymph
i cant see how that doesnt matter that much
pliant sparrow
U already have damage from deadly flourish
narrow hemlock
leave ares out of this 
pliant sparrow
Wait nvm why aphro attack
narrow hemlock
hes trying his best
pliant sparrow
Put aphro on special
brisk trail
heart rend :D
manic bobcat
hold up
molten nymph
yea
on hidden i want heartrend
brisk trail
doesnt heart rend still work with aphro special?
manic bobcat
aphro on attack doesn't crit though
brisk trail
I like heart rend on nemesis so much
molten nymph
arte attack aphro spec
pliant sparrow
Could be a dash strike build
molten nymph
or aphro dash
manic bobcat
dash strike build on Arthur?
molten nymph
but divine dash exists so
ember rune
decided to bought the game eventually, can't wait to play it
molten nymph
same
pliant sparrow
Same lol arthur for me is “third strike goes brrrr”
molten nymph
also i’ll probably mess up and start the combo chain
brisk trail
double edge heart rend nemesis is just silly
manic bobcat
also i’ll probably mess up and start the combo chain
which is what you want tbh
molten nymph
yea lol
brisk trail
probably my favorite thing to run
manic bobcat
decided to bought the game eventually, can't wait to play it
good luck! let us know how it goes
molten nymph
man imagine if arte dash works with arthur’s combo chain
brisk trail
that would be amazing
molten nymph
i’d drop divine dash for that
manic bobcat
imagine
brisk trail
because I'm dashing between the hits anywayd
molten nymph
lmao
winter harbor
I like heart rend Poseidon sword Aphrodite attack Artemis cast
brisk trail
Artemis cast uncle sord is another one of my favs
artemis cast is just good in general
like doing trick shots w it
winter harbor
Bypasses shields
brisk trail
but you won't be using your attack much right on poseidon sword? so wouldn't heart rend be a waste?
nuking theseus phase 2 has to be my favorite part of any run
unless there's another source for weak
attack while you're waiting for the bloodstones to come back
or spam dash attack either works
molten nymph
wont special work better?
molten nymph
since its aoe and you spam it anyway
brisk trail
there's a delay before you can pick them up after they pop out
attack then
ive won with that build like 7 times
i see. i just dash afterwards
or special again
winter harbor
Possibly but RNG wasn’t offering me a cast and Aphrodite has huge damage multipliers
brisk trail
aphro attack, artemis cast, heart rend, exit wounds, flurry cast
gg
game plays itself
but but mirage shot
rapid forum
if you want the game to play itself, get demeter cast and demeter + arty duo
molten nymph
or hunting blades
rapid forum
sit back, relax, make some tea while fighting [redacted]
brisk trail
I had a build like that with greater recall
winter harbor
Add pressure points and mirage shot/parting shot for more fun
brisk trail
i don't think i've ever gotten crystal meme
i should force it one of these days
e
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molten nymph
i really dont like crystal meme runs
rapid forum
e
winter harbor
Cast builds scared me more before so I did crystal beam so I didn’t have to defeat enemies to get my cast back
manic bobcat
5head solution
winter harbor
Definitely one of the more impractical casts, tho, because it’s so slow sans duo
brisk trail
lol sans
rapid forum
lol
molten nymph
hey
at least its not aphro cast
brisk trail
I don't really like how its awful before the duo but busted after
aphro cast range sucks
winter harbor
Yeah, ares cast stuff can synergize with stuff like his call and dash
winter harbor
So even if you don’t have hunting blades set up, it can still work ok in other stuff
brisk trail
wait, does it? i only picked it once tbh lmao
winter harbor
I feel like you need both his legendary and the duo to make blade rifts work
rapid forum
yep
winter harbor
I tried it with only hunting blades and lost that run
thorny crescent
yeah,hunting blades isn’t that much of a carry
You know what is a total carry tho?
thorny crescent
Dionysus with ice wine duo
rapid forum
carries me every time
thorny crescent
Or with that Zeus Duo
molten nymph
dio is great
thorny crescent
That’s a run carrier
rapid forum
Dio cast with all of the duo boons and his legendary
molten nymph
doesnt feel bad even with no duo
winter harbor
Dio cast does a lot of damage by itself and the two duos it has aren’t mutually exclusive
rapid forum
killed [redacted] in less than 2 mins
molten nymph
feels amazing with duos
brisk trail
makes up for the 0 damage it does normally
thorny crescent
to be fair
Doom can be a very powerful status effect in a smart build
Despite what people think of it
rapid forum
doom just feels underwhelming to use
brisk trail
I like it on attacks that are normally weak
thorny crescent
and most people consider it trash because it’s not percentage based
brisk trail
can't help but laugh at ares trying to give me doom attack on hidden sord
like bro no
molten nymph
i’m appreciating doom more lately
on stuff like shield special and bow4 special
winter harbor
My first win was doom special shield
brisk trail
yeah
thorny crescent
Athena and Ares duo
brisk trail
hidden bow special doom is fantastic
thorny crescent
Athena and Ares’s duo is easily one of the most powerful
manic bobcat
can't help but laugh at ares trying to give me doom attack on hidden sord
have you tried lightning strike on 4th sword though
brisk trail
lmfao
molten nymph
man i remember one run when dio tried his best to give me attack on bow4
even offering an exchange
manic bobcat
or dio on 4th sword
molten nymph
when i want him to give me special
short robin
when i was abt the kill the hydra but realized i switched out my death defiences
thorny crescent
man I remember when I went for duo boons
I think it was a revenge build actually
rapid forum
can't help but laugh at ares trying to give me doom attack on hidden sord
you know I did that, my friend who never plays the game chose all of the boons
thorny crescent
And it was about time to get revenge effects on Styx
rapid forum
it's alright
thorny crescent
But Poseidon said “Ahoy little Hades! I literally replaced every single other god! Now,catch me some fish!”
rapid forum
though main source of the dps is the base damage 
brisk trail
anyways here's a nice hidden bow build I had today since it's relevant || https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/364243718477185035/782079711626919966/unknown.png ||
winter harbor
Doom at least is a big number and it doesn’t stack normally
brisk trail
epic chaos dash attack boon lol
molten nymph
dio on sword4
rapid forum
cause meme
thorny crescent
To be fair
I don’t even know if Arthur has fun runs
it’s overpowered but it’s not fun
rapid forum
you can make a revenge build out of it
short robin
man lowkey,i feel like i dont notice hte 15% atk spd bonus on zag sword
rapid forum
cause ya know
brisk trail
Zeus on hidden sword vs Zeus on fists/rail is like the cheems vs buff doge meme
rapid forum
40% damage reduction
molten nymph
i have the most fun with arthur over other swords
brisk trail
ok well that is ur opinion and I respect it but you are wrong
molten nymph
numbers = fun
beeg number = beeg fun
thorny crescent
You can go for some very spicy cast builds
molten nymph
do maffs
thorny crescent
ok well that is ur opinion and I respect it but you are wrong
How am I wrong tho?
vagrant ivy
dude big shield is nothing to zeus shield
thorny crescent
Arthur is overpowered yes
brisk trail
im being facetious
vagrant ivy
i just joined this discord but had to say
thorny crescent
But you can’t go for fun builds if it’s not revenge
thorny crescent
dude big shield is nothing to zeus shield
Fax
vagrant ivy
dude i keep trying to get arthur but i cant get the nyx waking phrase, theres too much plot
winter harbor
Cast builds can be very powerful
molten nymph
i like big shield 
thorny crescent
Cast builds are so much fun dude
winter harbor
Yeah, nyx is involved in a bunch of plots
vagrant ivy
do zeus shield with a conditional effect on your special. weak or hangover? destruction
brisk trail
hidden shield is my favorite so far
thorny crescent
Nyx is involved in like every major plot point
brisk trail
haven't tried beyblade yet
thorny crescent
Hidden shield is ehhhhhh
molten nymph
big shield with pink cast is big damage
thorny crescent
It’s like almost good
winter harbor
She’s like zag’s mom so of course he’d tell her about most major things in his life
molten nymph
big damage is big fun
manic bobcat
are we like insinuating some kind of joke about nyx and plot?
brisk trail
u haven't lived until you've used it with charged shot
winter harbor
I haven’t tried hidden shield yet
brisk trail
become shield wizard
thorny crescent
Bruh
molten nymph
shield hera
brisk trail
yeah but more fun
molten nymph
but better
molten nymph
because your cast wont get stuck
brisk trail
because u got a shield
thorny crescent
Hera with Dionysus though
brisk trail
and I can play shield like sword and it makes me happy
winter harbor
Poseidon sword and hidden shield look like the better cast weapons
rapid forum
crap ;_;
winter harbor
Anything so I don’t have to deal with casts being stuck
brisk trail
dash attack spam lolol
thorny crescent
Yeah but have you tried Hera with Dionysus?
brisk trail
waiting 5 years to get casts back
thorny crescent
Bruh
easily the most damage you can get early on
and Dio’s cast doesn’t get stuck
molten nymph
hera dio with stygian
...and pray that chaos will roll right this one time
brisk trail
thats the problem
rapid forum
the thing about hera bow is that you'd want the cast to be recovered ASAP. At least that's how I play hera bow
brisk trail
u hit 1 wave of enemies then yo have to wait aeons to get the casts back
rapid forum
and I don't like stygian soul
thorny crescent
I just go for Dio and watch the world burn
thorny crescent
and I don't like stygian soul
Neither do I it’s trash
brisk trail
then you basically just have zag bow with no casts
winter harbor
Chaos always offers extra bloodstones when I’m not doing a cast run and when I am he never does
brisk trail
until you get them back
rapid forum
ravenous will go brrr
brisk trail
true
thorny crescent
Chaos always offers extra bloodstones when I’m not doing a cast run and when I a...
Chaos on a powerful run that’s already basically won be like: could I offer an extra death defiance in this trying time?
brisk trail
Yo, guys, I just had my first clear. I really, really like the spear - can I keep getting Titan Blood only using it?
molten nymph
yes
thorny crescent
Yes
rapid forum
you can
brisk trail
up the heat yeah
thorny crescent
pact of punishment
rapid forum
yes
molten nymph
yep
rapid forum
it's fun
brisk trail
my win screen is extremely funny
the right side specifically
I honestly dislike the others. I guess for completion's sake, I will but for now, I fought a lot just to clear.
they'll grow on you as you improve
molten nymph
it gets easier
thorny crescent
eh you’ll get good at them
manic bobcat
Dio how much etg do you play?
thorny crescent
once you figure out all the boons
thorny crescent
Dio how much etg do you play?
A lot
brisk trail
I hated the bow at first
molten nymph
i used to hate fists but now its like
my second best
narrow hemlock
fist mains gang
manic bobcat
nice! I beat dragun today
thorny crescent
Oh nice!
manic bobcat
but anyway I digress
brisk trail
I have put down the sword for now
rapid forum
every weapon main gang
thorny crescent
every weapon main gang
Ayyyy
brisk trail
only using it if dark thirst says so
molten nymph
still hate spears though 
the 32 was by far the most stressful
narrow hemlock
i just like fists because i like to throw myself recklessly into danger with zero thought 
thorny crescent
lmao
brisk trail
I hold forward with every weapon
winter harbor
I like the fists too
thorny crescent
I like gilgamesh on dash builds but that’s pretty much it for me
winter harbor
Spear is clunky to me
brisk trail
I thought I would like hilg way more than I do
thorny crescent
Yeah the spear is easily the most underwhelming of them all
molten nymph
i’d like guan yu if i dont explode the moment a stray ball hits me
thorny crescent
The aspects are just boring
brisk trail
spear special go brr
rapid forum
achilles cast build is pretty nice
brisk trail
just throw the spear
thorny crescent
How tho?
rapid forum
also zag boomstick special
thorny crescent
No really
brisk trail
Zag boomstick's aight.
rapid forum
yes
thorny crescent
I’ve never tried actually going for Achilles builds
manic bobcat
it's not a big brain weapon
brisk trail
Ah.
molten nymph
i need to learn to better control my achilles cast
manic bobcat
use reloading cast and electric shot
winter harbor
Yeah, I wasn’t thinking of Achilles as a cast weapon before
molten nymph
a lot of the time it autoaims to my death
manic bobcat
which is kinda standard imo
winter harbor
Even though it applies to all damage after the rush
brisk trail
I might have to max zag spear next time I play
thorny crescent
I maxed Zag gun
brisk trail
zag sword was the first aspect I maxed
thorny crescent
because I don’t like any other aspect
winter harbor
I like maxing zag gun solely so I can go longer without reloading
molten nymph
the only zag aspect with any blood in it is zag sword
thorny crescent
well Hestia is pretty good
winter harbor
Zag sword was the first one I maxed for plot reasons
thorny crescent
I remember when I had that one hammer enchant that gives you bonus ammo and fire rate
And like
brisk trail
I maxed it because I thought it would make it look cooler
thorny crescent
A bunch of chaos damage ups
molten nymph
kek
thorny crescent
And bonus attack speed
brisk trail
it's only 5 blood to max
thorny crescent
Basically the game turned into a third person shooter
molten nymph
for rails i p much use eris exclusively
brisk trail
u can make 80% of that in one run
molten nymph
its just too good 
thorny crescent
how???
brisk trail
@ who
brisk trail
+75% universal damage bonus
rapid forum
yes
brisk trail
triple rocket
molten nymph
shoot, and when you need to reload rapidly reload-special-dash
molten nymph
the buff is basically permanent
brisk trail
rapid forum
rocket shotgun is the best
brisk trail
all guns are stupid with zeus
molten nymph
...yeah
thorny crescent
you feel like Palpatine in that one scene where he says unlimited power