h1-discussion

[molten nymph]

you do get big rifts though

[indigo nest]

It covers a lot of the field in a blade rift

Yeah

Dude get the size up boon and the S U C C boon

Then tell me it’s not good

S u c c

Is so good

[molten nymph]

rift itself when built right is good

[indigo nest]

True

[molten nymph]

but i don't think it benefit that much from beo

[indigo nest]

True rift is cool

[quiet gull]

"When built right" is code for Hunter Blades

[indigo nest]

I mean

[brisk trail]

beo with charged shot is so fun

[molten nymph]

basically

[indigo nest]

I just like size

[molten nymph]

lol

[pliant sparrow]

size doesnt matter its how u use it

[brisk trail]

it's basically just shield hera

[molten nymph]

beo with charged shot is a better hera

[indigo nest]

Bro ok so Rama with a Zeus and relentless volley

Anyone called for a gun

Because it’s M16 time

🕶️

Also just in general hidden aspects with Athena are pretty good

Athena is just good.

Just very good.

[molten nymph]

ye

[brisk trail]

big fan of artemis attack on big sord

[molten nymph]

the god could just be divine dash and she'll still be top tier

i like how it melts bosses

[brisk trail]

I like how pretty athena attack is though

[runic agate]

bro i managed to beat this game without a attack boon the whole run go look at #h1-victory-boasting to see it

[brisk trail]

level 8 tidal dash

[runic agate]

yep

[green maple]

man rift is super sexy

[runic agate]

that was my main source of dmg

it was insane

thanks pom blossom (test branch btw with the nerfed blossom)

so broken

i really dont know why it was broken though

[fierce vessel]

wait, it's nerfed next patch? I mean, 4 encounters for a lvl is op

[brisk trail]

but it's rng

[runic agate]

its only in beta

so we dont know yet

and its only nerfed by one encounter

[fierce vessel]

ah

[runic agate]

the new effect on eris looks badass

although the nerf was meh (60% at max instead of 75%)

[fierce vessel]

ah

[runic agate]

just got a chaos boon that gives +69% attack dmg ON ERIS GUN

welp time to win

[winter harbor]

Chaos boons can get so broken

Guy never offers me the extra bloodstone with a cast build tho

[runic agate]

sounds about right

gota say this is a MILDLY strong start

tis killed in 4 seconds (not counting her inv time)

[glossy spindle]

im so behind on the fates prophecies for the poseidon boons I need almost all of them

[brisk trail]

better consult the magic conch shell

[silver bone]

Um....where do we report glitches offhand?

I'm giggling at this one. XD

[brisk trail]

?

[rose nexus]

i think its f10 yea

[silver bone]

For the Switch version?

[brisk trail]

Can you use someone's own companion against them?

i know for sure that you can't use ||mort|| against/with ||than||

||Battie|| fails against ||every Fury.||

[wind anvil]

Was the dash limit removed in one of the updates? When I played the game in early access I could dash like 3 times in a row (usually) before I had to wait a bit to dash again. I watched a friend of mine stream Hades yesterday and she kept on using the poseidon dash indefinitely without any break to clear rooms in the first area without even attacking. Not saying that it was a good strategy since she didnt even learn the enemy attack patterns but I was thinking that dashing that much did not feel normal to me.

[brisk trail]

oh are they spoilers my b

hermes has a boon that can give up to 3 extra dashes

idk if that's new or not

[wind anvil]

yeah but she did not have that

just kept on dashing starting from room 1. thats why i was like 'wtf?'

[brisk trail]

infinite dash hax

what weapon was she using

[wind anvil]

varatha - the default one. she didnt even get to hades yet

[brisk trail]

hmm

was she timing the dash or did it look like she was spamming it

I can't think of an explanation lmao

[fierce vessel]

skelly just played me, but I got the companion tho

[burnt cobalt]

I love this game

So much

It makes me feel like I'm actually accomplishing something every time I push the difficulty up and still win

[brisk trail]

same

when I was losing repeatedly to the final boss it didn't feel nearly as bad as in dead cells and I can't really explain why

[burnt cobalt]

I think the game encourages the idea that next time you'll get some better boons, or the other weapon will work better, or that you'll read boss patterns better

Defeat is just an obstacle, not an end

[brisk trail]

honestly I think zag's musings are a big part of that

[burnt cobalt]

And also hypnos's utter confusion over your cause of death is 10/10

[brisk trail]

like I Love when zag is like "Again!" when you start an escape

[runic cipher]

Thats probably my favorite part about the game. They did such a good job making you feel like you make progress each run

[burnt cobalt]

Everyone knows who killed you at the end except hypnos because he's always asleep

[torpid dome]

Steam atumn sale & game nomination are here Hint hint nudge nudge

[fierce vessel]

okay, blizzard shot is a bit overpowered

[torpid dome]

which one is that?

[quiet gull]

Flood shot demeter duo

[fierce vessel]

a duo with poseidon and and Demeter

[torpid dome]

Oh... yea

[fierce vessel]

which makes you water shot slow and make little snow things that deal too much damage to bosses because no knockback

[torpid dome]

||Grandma's got some really good boons||

[fierce vessel]

she really does

[torpid dome]

She also supposed use to own the fist

I... Demeter is very terrifying

[fierce vessel]

|| but not as strong as the grape man||

[torpid dome]

Lmao

[fierce vessel]

he heal

[torpid dome]

I'd also heavyly suggest not making Granny mad

in the god trials

STronG DriNk iS the BEst

[fierce vessel]

it's pretty easy, but the easiest is athena

[torpid dome]

if you get lucky that's a free 28% damadge increase

I'm hoenstly more of a zeus dash fan because I hate the tiny rats in the temple

Athena simply dosen't deal out that much damadge

[shy phoenix]

mfw i nominate hades for multiple categories on steam awards and realize i can't do that 😐

it honestly deserves it though 😐

[torpid dome]

SAaame

[fierce vessel]

okay, I have the skelly companion and used and then blizzard shot and he was gone

[torpid dome]

I jsut went ahead and nominated as the best game of the year

[shy phoenix]

me too

[torpid dome]

So blood and darkness glad I decided to pick it up

I'm usally not a fan of story heavy game with premade characters But Darn Hades is an expection

[brisk trail]

So you have 4 slots for gods during a run, right? If you purge all of a god's boons, will their slot still remain?

[molten nymph]

i believe so

i mean

you're still locked to that god

[brisk trail]

welp

[torpid dome]

wait what

[brisk trail]

didn't think of that

[torpid dome]

wait there's a limited amount of slots for gods? wat?

[brisk trail]

thought i could force ||invite|| all of them in one run lol

[molten nymph]

yeah

[brisk trail]

i'll just keep equipping keepsakes to get more out of the way

[torpid dome]

THat

[molten nymph]

you're limited to 4 gods

[torpid dome]

explains why I can go on so many runs without meeting some of them at all

[molten nymph]

you can force a 5th with a keepsake

4 not including hermes/chaos

[torpid dome]

i was like, there's so many boons where the hec is artemis

well now I know

ty guys

[carmine ravine]

its rng

[torpid dome]

can I offer this rng god some nectors?

please give me artmis and ares I'm addicted to aimbot chainsaws

[runic cipher]

That is a very satisfying combo

Just had the ultimate blade build with all the ares legendary, artemis legendary and their duo

[brisk trail]

aight got all of em

time to bathe in the lava

[winter harbor]

Cast builds are amazing once they work

[zealous fiber]

Cast builds are my favorite to play

Particularly the sword cast build

[manic bobcat]

try the spear cast build

[carmine ravine]

poseidon hera ||beowulf|| yea

[zealous fiber]

Poseidon isn't a spoiler?

[carmine ravine]

no

[zealous fiber]

Oh nice

[brisk trail]

not hidden

[winter harbor]

Crystal beam go brr

[zealous fiber]

OOOH it isn't hidden DUH

Only the last aspect of every weapon is hidden

[carmine ravine]

yes the 4th ones

[brisk trail]

I like going ham with nemesis

[zealous fiber]

But yeah, sword of Poseidon might as well be my favorite weapon

Particularly if you get the Exit Wounds Artemis boon

https://tenor.com/view/off-size-off-wacky-face-pouty-lips-gif-16675463

[winter harbor]

I should dump more blood into Poseidon sword

[carmine ravine]

i still prefer ||arthur|| than loseidon tho

[zealous fiber]

The gameplay pattern is also hella fun

[brisk trail]

mm exit wounds uncle sord

[zealous fiber]

is also fun, but Poseidon completely changes your gameplay

And makes casts much more spammable

[brisk trail]

my only problem with that is that it's way too easy to force exit wounds to appear

then you get samey runs

[carmine ravine]

@zealous fiber tag it

[zealous fiber]

I suppose

Tag what?

OH

[brisk trail]

hidden sord

lol

[zealous fiber]

PANIKK

I just removed it

Sorry guys

[brisk trail]

dw

[zealous fiber]

I love the Marceline picture btw

[winter harbor]

I like the non lodging casts more at the moment, dio, ares, and ||demeter||, because it’s a pain to dislodge them normally without Poseidon sword

[zealous fiber]

I should re-watch Adventure Time

[brisk trail]

thank u

[carmine ravine]

i think hidden sword changes the gameplay more due to the slow combos but full crit power

[brisk trail]

im on season 3 rn

[zealous fiber]

Season 3 is my fave actually, so many good episodes

[winter harbor]

I know you get the mirror bonus but still

[brisk trail]

hidden sord turns the game into dark souls

[zealous fiber]

Love me some Dark Souls

Getting raked in the face never felt better

And yes, that WAS a Zero Punctuation reference

[carmine ravine]

so uh i love myself i guess?

[zealous fiber]

That's good, loving yourself is grand

[brisk trail]

hidden spear's slow attack feels desperate while hidden sord feels calculated

[zealous fiber]

if we could all just love ourselves, we'd be much less passive aggressive to our fellow man

Hidden spear isn't meant for primary attacking at all

You either want to use the special or the charged attack

[brisk trail]

yeah

[carmine ravine]

its just hidden sword aoe is bigger than hidden spear

[zealous fiber]

Dash strike is also good but you never wanna straight up attack with it

I love the Hidden spear though

My only 2 spear clears were with it

And all of my sword clears were Poseidon clears

Okay that's a lie, I did one hidden sword clear

[brisk trail]

I have every sword aspect maxed lol oops

[zealous fiber]

LEL

I'm still not drowning in titan blood so I'm kinda selective with my upgrades

[brisk trail]

I don't even have every aspect unlocked

[zealous fiber]

I max out the weapons I use the most

Poseidon, Eris, hidden spear aspect and aspect of Zagreus bow

10% crit chance is actually massive and they're even buffing it in the test branch

[brisk trail]

I guess it makes sense for me to have every sword maxed tho lol https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/328246239160434691/781382329201197056/unknown-165__01.png

[zealous fiber]

LOOOOL

You're mad

Mad swordsman

Swordswoman

[brisk trail]

I like swords

[molten nymph]

i'm surprised that i vibe with hades spear the most

[brisk trail]

swordperson

[molten nymph]

but here i am

[zealous fiber]

SWORDPERSON

Thank you

[brisk trail]

np

or swordsperson

[zealous fiber]

I saw your pronouns but I didn't know the appropriate word

[molten nymph]

achilles is cool but i often throw the spear into the middle of the pack of enemies and just die

[zealous fiber]

Would swordmaster still imply a certain gender to it

[brisk trail]

im just going with the dark thirst for now since I've gotten every bounty with sord

[zealous fiber]

I'm 5 cheevos away from 100%

hades gonna be the first and last game I 100%

Maybe, cuz maxing all the keepsakes sounds like a pain in the butt

[molten nymph]

i wish we can just spam resource to max out keepsakes

[brisk trail]

have you tried not throwing your spear into a pack of enemies

[winter harbor]

Hidden aspect of sword is fun and hits like a truck

[molten nymph]

but my brain goes

throw deals damage

enemy

damage

throw spear

[brisk trail]

rewire your brain

[molten nymph]

jk though i think its the auto aim messing me up sometimes

[winter harbor]

I like fists

[zealous fiber]

What do you guys think about the hidden rail aspect

[molten nymph]

i don't like it

[brisk trail]

haven't unlocked it yet but looks silly

[zealous fiber]

I like to slap Ares special on it and then just watch the orbs re-apply doom with the ticks

[molten nymph]

i haven't experimented with it that much though

once i have the bloods i want to try the zeus special

[brisk trail]

I have autoaim off

[zealous fiber]

I was shocked when I found out that the spear has higher range than the rail

[brisk trail]

which makes bow a bit harder

[zealous fiber]

Can you turn auto aim off on controller?

[molten nymph]

you can

[zealous fiber]

Frick that though

[brisk trail]

but I like feeling completely in control of my attacks

[zealous fiber]

"a bit harder"

I'd say it's at least 50% harder

[brisk trail]

no difference with the hidden aspect tho lol

[zealous fiber]

LUL

Missile too big

[molten nymph]

the special though

[brisk trail]

it's a melee weapon that has range sometimes

I like the special way more than non-hidden bows

had no issue aiming that actually

hera is my favorite nonhidden

[molten nymph]

i like all three

bow is my fav weapon

[winter harbor]

I haven’t really done cast weapons at all

[zealous fiber]

I like Hera but I feel like I'm not playing it properly

Should I always pop all three casts into the missile or shoot them one by one

[molten nymph]

depends

what cast are you using and what's your mirror

[brisk trail]

I didn't like bow until I realized you don't have to power shot every time

[winter harbor]

Use Stygian soul and you won’t have to decide

[zealous fiber]

Err, I believe I was using Poseidon cast for Hera bow

[brisk trail]

aphro cast really shines with the cast loading aspects

[zealous fiber]

And I always run the same mirror feats, other than changing between the mirror skill that gives you 5% per god and the one that gives you 40% extra damage if you apply two curses

[molten nymph]

for lodging casts you usually want to load all three i think

or load two

[brisk trail]

I like ruthless reflex but I don't like begging on my knees to hermes

[molten nymph]

you just want to make sure whatever you shoot at is dead

[brisk trail]

also it's less attractive since I learned that damage is additive

[zealous fiber]

Yeah, ruthless reflex just seems... bad in most situations?

Unless you can yoink the Hermes boon

If you get to Hades with just one dash, it's a hoot

[molten nymph]

or on hidden fist

even then its still questionable

[winter harbor]

Epic greatest reflex so good

[brisk trail]

lmao its stupid I love it

[winter harbor]

Or even just the common, I suppose

[brisk trail]

wheeeeeee

[zealous fiber]

Yeah?

[proud monolith]

I've done about 30 runs with an arcade stick and just tried to play with controller. I can't do it.

[zealous fiber]

I was watching my gf play Hades and advising her on boons during her first successful run

She got triple dash from Hermes

That boon completely trivializes most encounters

[pliant sparrow]

ehhhh

[zealous fiber]

You disagree?

[pliant sparrow]

yahhhh

theseus and minotaur only really needs one dash

[proud monolith]

Triple dash has helped me a lot with boss fights.

[brisk trail]

honestly using a fighting game controller for hades is big brained

[zealous fiber]

Idk, I love being able to dash 5 t imes in a row

[pliant sparrow]

to dash thru him

[zealous fiber]

Bruh, I think you're just super good at the g ame

[pliant sparrow]

final boss only needs 2 dashes to get away from circle

[brisk trail]

what does right stick do on controller

[molten nymph]

nothing

[proud monolith]

@brisk trail it's the best way to play I swear

[zealous fiber]

It's not about what's necessary, I'm talking about what happens new players do their first clear

[molten nymph]

pressing it is the default reload button

but uhh

everybody rebinds that

[zealous fiber]

and I think getting additional dashes is at the top of the list

[brisk trail]

damn can't play hades like a twin stick shooter

[pliant sparrow]

id say deflect dash is arguably more important

[zealous fiber]

Oh for sure

[winter harbor]

Triple dash + divine dash great defense

[zealous fiber]

Yep, amen to that

[brisk trail]

my brain does not like moving+aiming with the same stick

[proud monolith]

Kickflip to Christ Air to divine dash

[brisk trail]

yeah idk if I could play with a controller at all actually lmfao

too different

[proud monolith]

I got the new xbox controller so I had to give it a try. Just feels slow and wrong to me.

Also an 8 gate is perf for hades.

[brisk trail]

hades with a gamecube controller

[proud monolith]

I have the 8bitdo adapter and the usb one... I've thought about it.

[radiant estuary]

Hades with an Atari 2600 controller

[proud monolith]

Hades with the links crossbow training wii gun

[brisk trail]

hades with a ddr pad

[proud monolith]

Hades with a pair of burning socks

[brisk trail]

full experience

[radiant estuary]

...side note, I'd love to see some sort of Thonk or Hueh emote on here

[proud monolith]

Burning socks on a ddr pad is very appropriate

[cold surge]

I just use a Logitech and it’s been fine for me

[proud monolith]

I just use hanes tube socks

[manic bobcat]

real gamers use the power glove

[proud monolith]

Thank you Christmas 1989

It turns out the real power glove was the friends we made along the way

[brisk trail]

special on a mouse button is amazing

[proud monolith]

I'm a special boy, always have been

[brisk trail]

I put it on the same button I use for the punch in fps games

[proud monolith]

Ah the melee clicky

[brisk trail]

glad im actually getting use out of the side buttons

I didnt guy a Gamer Mouse for nothing lmao

[proud monolith]

If I love hades does this mean I should give the roguelikes I've quit or written off a chance now

[radiant estuary]

I'd say so

[brisk trail]

hades is much nicer than other roguelikes I've played

[proud monolith]

Or is hades a really different balance than the others? I'd never been drawn in by others in the genre.

[brisk trail]

nicer like less mean

[proud monolith]

Like I gave up on deadcells pretty fast.

[brisk trail]

dead cells is rough and it only gets harder LOL

it's a cool game but it doesn't have the same pull as Hades does for me

[proud monolith]

Yeah, one thing I like about hades is it feels rewarding to progress.

One thing I don't like is nintendo eshop doesn't allow us to gift people games, or I would have gifted the switch version 3 times already

[cold surge]

I also like how the difficulty is modular, instead of set ascension levels you can set heat factors you like

[brisk trail]

slashers keep looks pretty interesting to me but I think I'm just gonna watch NL play it for now

[cold surge]

It’s interesting that as far as I know no one has cleared on 63 heat

[proud monolith]

I'm still a wimp with the heat factors. I gotta break that wall.

[cold surge]

I just did my first 8 heat clear today

I’m aiming for 8 heat on all weapons before going higher

[brisk trail]

got 20 heat on sord today

[cold surge]

Nice!

What heat factors did you use

[brisk trail]

not trying to brag or anything

lemme grab a screenshot

[neon agate]

Just got my 32 today....never doing this again

[proud monolith]

I did whatever I needed for the first skelly statue

[brisk trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/364243718477185035/781219738159677450/unknown.png

[proud monolith]

15 sounds cray to me

[brisk trail]

it really wasnt that bad

[cold surge]

Max tight deadline feels too fast for me

[proud monolith]

I underestimate weak.

[brisk trail]

lol its free with nemesis

[cold surge]

I haven’t ever used nemesis

[brisk trail]

as long as you don't have too much jury summons

[proud monolith]

Deadlines make me too damn anxious

[cold surge]

I mostly use Poseidon and secret sword

I never tried tight deadline

[winter harbor]

Aphrodite has like the highest damage multiplier

[neon agate]

Damn did you just do 20 without completely unlocking the mirror? Why do i only 2 dd slots?

[brisk trail]

I like them because they light a fire under my ass lol

[winter harbor]

Plus she improves survivability

[cold surge]

They have stubborn defiance

[brisk trail]

I was using stubborn

[cold surge]

If you get an extra dd while stubborn is empty you get an extra

[neon agate]

I see

[brisk trail]

wanted to get darker reflections

that's why I'm using purple dice instead of green

[proud monolith]

27 clears with sword compared to the rest haha

[brisk trail]

ye

[cold surge]

Only one die? Impressive

[winter harbor]

Is that the prophecy in which you have to beat the game with everything from both sides of the mirror?

[neon agate]

I need to watch my language here? smh

good JOB then

[brisk trail]

yeah dysphere

[winter harbor]

Yeah, fated authority doesn’t feel that good to me, and if I feel like forcing a god I just use their keepsake

[proud monolith]

With that few dies I feel like the dialogue wouldn't make sense half the time

[winter harbor]

Yeah, I finished that one with a largely reversed mirror on heat 0

Impressive that you did it on heat 20

[brisk trail]

I have everything else maxed except for the dice

[proud monolith]

You're an interesting hades player

[brisk trail]

approval process screwed me out of getting jolted

[winter harbor]

I still need to do some more of the green sides for the chaos and Charon well prophecy

[brisk trail]

so I couldn't really use privileged status

[winter harbor]

More damage on first hit doesn’t feel as good as more damage on backstab

[brisk trail]

its stupid with hidden sord

[knotty aurora]

time to save up that 25k darkness decoration

[winter harbor]

I can backstab accidentally, but my first hits don’t feel that meaningful to me

[knotty aurora]

gonna be gone for a few months

⛏️

[winter harbor]

I need to save up nectar for that theme

[brisk trail]

when you're oneshotting everything it feels amazing loll

especially with that one ares boon

[winter harbor]

Even if bouldy is a good pet rock and deserves nectar too

[neon agate]

https://tenor.com/view/nick-young-question-marks-what-excuse-me-huh-gif-4486363

[molten nymph]

i like backstab on hidden sword to melt bosses

[neon agate]

@radiant anchor how do you have no clears on other weapons but 27 on sword?

[brisk trail]

I like sword

[neon agate]

[brisk trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/779787312086646805/unknown.png this isn't even the highest I've seen

think it hit 6k on a rat once

[neon agate]

i said no sh@t and it censored me smh

[proud monolith]

Dang rats

If I never saw a poison loogie dude again it would be too soon

[brisk trail]

I like big swords and big numbers

[knotty aurora]

lol

[neon agate]

hestia big number ooga booba

[knotty aurora]

I couldn't just do one weapon or else i'd be chucking spears all game

[neon agate]

hestia artemis

[proud monolith]

Spear was my first love and now it's my least love

[winter harbor]

I mostly do melee weapons

[neon agate]

me hit 2.5k on their booty

[brisk trail]

I honestly never got tired of sword throughout that entire streak

[proud monolith]

Shield is my comfiest

[winter harbor]

Triple jab is so awkward on spear :/

[knotty aurora]

I don't do spear cause I wanted to get all achievements and prophecies

[brisk trail]

lost it at 19 heat bc I was getting screwed the entire run

[neon agate]

aah you guys like a melee only challenge...makes sense

[knotty aurora]

basically i want to 100% the game atm

[winter harbor]

At first I was like yay, pseudo aoe, but it’s awkward to aim

[proud monolith]

Fists are most satisfying

[brisk trail]

I was like 2/3 through elysium with no attack or cast boon

[winter harbor]

I like fists too

[molten nymph]

my favs are bow and fists

[brisk trail]

speeder flame wheel took me out

[molten nymph]

i expect to like rails a lot more than i actually do

[winter harbor]

I’m terrible at bow

[proud monolith]

The bow with seek is very satisfying as well

[knotty aurora]

the special for the spear was my most hated but i fell in love with it once i figured out i could just chuck spears and just win

[neon agate]

the fact that lightning attack on zeus isn't amazing is a disappointment

[winter harbor]

Chiron and hidden bow aspect look nice too

[proud monolith]

Smashing rats with shield special tho

[brisk trail]

hidden shield with charged shot is so fun

wizard board

[neon agate]

I mean on fists

[molten nymph]

hidden bow aspect took a bit to get used to but now its by far my favorite weapon

[brisk trail]

lightning attack on fists is fantastic

[molten nymph]

zeus attack on fists is amazing

[brisk trail]

my fastest time so far is from zeus attack talos without even trying to go fast lmao

[neon agate]

ya but it's not good enough.....it's thunder fists cmon man....it should wreck

[knotty aurora]

weird

[neon agate]

it's barely ok

[molten nymph]

but it... wrecks

[knotty aurora]

arthur sword was my fastest even tho the attacks were slow. but they end up doing around 800 damage near last zone

[neon agate]

I have like 17 min clears with it....which is pretty average tbh

[proud monolith]

Pikachu down smash

[molten nymph]

i got my fastest time on fists as well

[brisk trail]

oh yeah my fastest time with sword was with hidden

[proud monolith]

Fists are my fastest too. I always pick heart and just smack faces

[brisk trail]

this was shredding everything https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/364243718477185035/781240368372121700/unknown.png

[neon agate]

I like excalibur's chonky damage

[brisk trail]

got reckless in final boss bc I wanted the sub 15

[proud monolith]

Excalibur being so slow is painful for me

[knotty aurora]

just spam special in middle and tank damage while dealing huge hits

[neon agate]

oooh you beat me....did you use or special predominantly? or both

[brisk trail]

whenever I see ares on a hidden sord run im like lol

[knotty aurora]

works great with afro dite dmg reduction

[brisk trail]

it was like 90% attack with special to apply doom

dash attack between the 5 hit combos

[neon agate]

interesting...the attack always felt underwhelming to me

[neon agate]

demetir aspect?

[brisk trail]

talos

haven't used Demeter yet

[knotty aurora]

I went for chaos boons and artemis for hidden aspect sword

cause small damage upgrade is huge dps boost

[neon agate]

Interesting. I've never been able to get sub 15 with that config.

[knotty aurora]

quick question

chaos portsals let you skip a room right?

[brisk trail]

|| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/364243718477185035/780549811229163520/unknown.png || look at the unleveled fiery presence lol

[knotty aurora]

they count as a room? or no?

[brisk trail]

can't remember

I think they do though

[knotty aurora]

@brisk trail damn an epic from chaos

pog

[brisk trail]

they love me

[neon agate]

Sorry I can't help. I just go with the flow and dont know anything.

[winter harbor]

Right, Artemis synergizes with chaos

[brisk trail]

mad I didn't get a perfect victory

I took one laser hit

[knotty aurora]

I think my least favorite weapon is the gun. and bow.

even though usually they are my favs

[brisk trail]

I did eventually get the flawless victory though

w nemesis

[knotty aurora]

You only got hit once the entire run?

or you mean just that last part?

[neon agate]

My best heat run and my best time run are both with the gun....it's broken

[brisk trail]

Should just be the final boss.

just final boss

[knotty aurora]

@neon agate damn. honestly can't figure out a good build for it but I don't feel like looking at someone elses

Flawless run sounds like something that would use the shield for

[neon agate]

Try different builds. The gun has varied aspects that suit different playstyles. Now I sound like a car dealer.

[brisk trail]

step 1: select Eris on the aspect screen

[knotty aurora]

lol.

[winter harbor]

Shield and run like scared mice spamming crystal beam and your dashes

[brisk trail]

step 2; get rocket hammer

[winter harbor]

Can’t get hit if you just melt bosses

[knotty aurora]

could just use spear tbh

chuck and run

[neon agate]

cluster rocket got me my 11 min run

[knotty aurora]

use pillars to bounce

[brisk trail]

rocket shotgun lmao

[knotty aurora]

Alright. Back to the grind for me.
Need to grind that 25k darkness

[brisk trail]

im so sad that hazard bomb and cluster bomb are mutually exclusive

[winter harbor]

Me too

I always take cluster bomb too

[neon agate]

cluster rocket is gonna get nerfed in the next lmao...this is broken

[winter harbor]

I want to grind all the themes before I get the ||ranks from the resource director||

[brisk trail]

personally im fine with the default theme

[winter harbor]

But that’s going to take a while because of titan blood and ambrosia needs before those

[brisk trail]

too used to it lol

my friend was making fun of me for hoarding ambrosia

[winter harbor]

It’s a little too plain for me, but not enough for me to want to grind themes right away

[brisk trail]

as of right now I've only used it on than+ fully levelling a reward

[neon agate]

I didn't realize mirror had new upgrades and wasted darkness on ranks smh

[brisk trail]

getting that 500 darkness from a voidskate

[winter harbor]

Yeah, I shall also be maxing out both sides of the mirror before I get the 25k darkness theme

Because I don’t want to have to use a key to respec my mirror every time, man

[neon agate]

way to go

[brisk trail]

I still think about the run I got 4 titan blood on

[green maple]

wait

does

[winter harbor]

I mean, I used like two keys on the mirror (I messed up slightly on which sides I hadn’t used before at first) for the mirror prophecy but it’s more convenient for other runs to just max everything out

[green maple]

||holy excalibur|| have dash slash

because i took the hammer slash and i feel so wrong

[brisk trail]

yeah its slower but it still counts as a dash attack

[green maple]

oh?

[brisk trail]

wait wym by dash sladh

[green maple]

but it doesnt hit twice

[neon agate]

poke them with arthur's dash attack in their ass

[green maple]

i mean but

that

hammer buff

[brisk trail]

watch closely

[green maple]

it doesnt really work ig?

hmm

[brisk trail]

pretty sure the numbers stack

into one damage indicator

[green maple]

ohhh

thanks

[brisk trail]

np

Double Edge gives Arthur two Dash-Strike hits, same as the other three Aspects.

The damage number combos, yeah.

double edge is the best sword hammer by a long shot

Probably, yeah.

Double Nova is the only thing that comes close.

[green maple]

ohhh

[brisk trail]

big fan of ||greater consecration|| though

[neon agate]

double edge stacks with backstab....this is what i meant by tushy nuke

[radiant estuary]

I prefer Shadow Slash honestly

[brisk trail]

yeah that one goes nuts with big sord

[radiant estuary]

And in general

[brisk trail]

it couldn't save my unintentionally boonless run though

[radiant estuary]

Also I found out earlier today that apparently Shadow Slash doesn't also boost Parting Shot anymore and I'm disappointed now

[green maple]

guys im rollin an ||arthur|| build

any duo's that pair with arty real well?

[radiant estuary]

Heart Rend

[green maple]

heart rend from aphro?

thanks

[radiant estuary]

Artemis on attack, Aphrodite on special

[brisk trail]

heart rend is amazing

[neon agate]

heart rend is pretty breezy

[brisk trail]

big sord loves artemis attack

[neon agate]

do you like artemis on big swords? aren't they just too slow to deal consistent damage

as in you deal 2k to some random schmuck all the time

[winter harbor]

Try to hit a chaos gate if you see one too, chaos pairs well with Artemis

[radiant estuary]

Sword already hits like a truck

[winter harbor]

Bigger crits

[brisk trail]

Arthur has a slightly funky property that lets you preserve your combo through Dashes, so you can still reliably get the 3rd hit.

[neon agate]

ya but they're all only good for bosses

[radiant estuary]

Crits make it terrifying

[brisk trail]

Not really?

[neon agate]

regular enemies die anyway

you dont need the extra damage

[brisk trail]

Each hit still does hit very hard and they all have wide swings, so you still get the combo out regularly.

[winter harbor]

Must melt bosses

[radiant estuary]

Plus hitting over 1K damage on crit is a sight to behold

[brisk trail]

One-shotting a charging Nemean Chariot is pretty useful.

[neon agate]

ngl seeing 3k on bosses is fun

[radiant estuary]

Plus I managed to hit over 3K once earlier today

[neon agate]

just not a practical choice

[radiant estuary]

Good fun

[winter harbor]

That’s why pressure points is so fun

[neon agate]

PP hehe

[brisk trail]

big sord seems hard to use on FO2

haven't tried though

beeg damage indicators

[neon agate]

what are your fav. aspects btw?

[brisk trail]

every sword aspect, achilles, chaos, hidden shield, hera, hidden bow, talos

haven't used rail enough to have a favorite

Legendary Rail and it's not even close.

[neon agate]

you must have a preference...no way dude

[brisk trail]

ive done like 2 runs with it total

[green maple]

this sword

makes the game so pog

omg

arthword

[brisk trail]

its amazing

[green maple]

is a pog weapon

that 3 digit base damage is pog

[brisk trail]

I love the crit sound effect so much

[neon agate]

alright I'm an old timer so I'll tell mine - Rail - Eris, Hestia. Bow -Charon, zagreus- Fist - 2nd aspect, demetir aspect - 3rd shield - good at high heat

Not much help with other aspects sorry

[rapid forum]

Beyblade shield

[neon agate]

Dont you dare invoke the ancient arts

[rapid forum]

Press special, wait to hit, press special again, dash around while it's chasing you >:D

[radiant estuary]

In no particular order:

Poisiden/Arthur on sword
Hades on spear
Chaos on shield
Chiron on bow
Talos/Demeter on fists
Zag on rail

[brisk trail]

I gotta try hades spear

does it need a lot of blood to be good or nah

[rapid forum]

Mine:
Sword: nemesis
Spear: achilles and zag
Shield: zeus
Bow: hera/chiron
Fist: demeter
Rail: don't like hidden one

[brisk trail]

I feel like talos and nemesis are really good aspects to unlock early

[rapid forum]

Imo nemesis is similar to chiron bow

Sub par at level 1 - 3

Great at level 4 and 5

[brisk trail]

level 2 nemesis seems pretty damn good

also I haaaated level 1 chiron lmfao

[rapid forum]

Idm with level 1 chiron

Mainly cause I love powershot

So it um "replace" dps from lack of arrows

[brisk trail]

just felt like I was shooting homing nerf darts

[mint plaza]

can someone help me, i cant get to my bed room, i think im supposed to get to hades chambers

[rapid forum]

I guess you should do that

No stealth section soooo

[mint plaza]

where is that

[brisk trail]

are you in the flashback/dream sequence?

oh nvm

[mint plaza]

i found it

[brisk trail]

ok cool

[mint plaza]

i just wasnt easy to find his room

[brisk trail]

glad we could kinda help lol

[mint plaza]

thanks for responding

[weary parrot]

when would y’all consider hades “finished”?

all relationships maxed? or the 32 heat reward?

[brisk trail]

I was gonna list off everything but I realized wow it would take a lot of time to truly 100% this game

I think all achievements + 32 heat would be functional

[winter harbor]

Getting all the themes and ||ranks|| looks like it takes forever

And I guess if you want truly everything, you need to get everything else from the house contractor too

The cosmetics

[vast bridge]

Hello, everyone! Does anyone know when the cross save between pc and switch will be set up? Thanks in advance 😀

[sharp fossil]

nobody knows, sadly

it keeps getting delayed

[knotty aurora]

I get so disappointed when i work up my special only to get 3 attack upgrades from a hammer and I can't even use the dice to reroll

🥲

[vast bridge]

@sharp fossil That's what I thought. thank you

[winter harbor]

Too bad you can’t persuade a hammer

[compact pollen]

Give the Hammer some nectar

[brisk trail]

poggers

[knotty aurora]

I kinda wish patroculus offered something that gives special damage too

[hybrid parcel]

so we're all nominating hades for Steam GOTY right?

[knotty aurora]

i nominated it for best story

thought it deserves both

[hybrid parcel]

oh it deserves that, story, soundtrack.... a lot

steam's unique game rule kills me - I feel like there should at least be an exemption for GOTY

so that your nomination for that could be allowed for at least one other award

[knotty aurora]

yea. goty should be it's own separate poll

[hybrid parcel]

well I hope when the actual voting rolls out this allows it to appear in nearly every category

[short robin]

Man, im struggling against hades,

[knotty aurora]

Seems like the harder it gets for me the faster my times are. cause i'm getting faster times

[sharp mason]

It takes a while to beat him the first time.

[rapid forum]

Forced overtime on ||normal hades||

ooo boi

[vernal tapir]

Can someone help I am having issues with controller I got the game yesterday on Epic games and when I connect my ps4 controller vai usb it lights up blue but doesn't do anything in game I tryed DS4 windows and input mapper nothing worked.pleas help😭

[knotty aurora]

go over to #h1-tech-support
i think

[zealous wyvern]

Hey can smn1 help me

Hello how do i get the shield chaos aspect ( i dont have any aspect btw )

[rapid forum]

Eventually nyx will tell you something about the other aspect. It revolves around titan blood

[dire ether]

@speedrunners, do you guys run middle management for any heat? I thought it’d be faster just so you can meg barge of death, etc

[idle wind]

If I get something that ups attack damage, does it also up Spin/Charge attacks?

In my instance, using FairFrostBlade and got an artemis boon that increased attack damage and chance to crit. Does that affect the traveling spin charge up attack?

[knotty aurora]

Sometimes I stand in lava or die to poison cause I don't like my progress on a run

[glossy spindle]

omg LOL

[fringe sandal]

attack boons also affect charged attacks

[idle wind]

Cool. And just to check that must mean dash attacks as well then?

[winter harbor]

Yes

[brisk trail]

[violet talon]

Hi I am pretty new here even though I have played a bit, I wanted to know if there was a channel were we could propose things for the game (just a quality of life in my case^^)

[carmine ravine]

#test-branch-discussion probably

[violet talon]

yeah makes sense^^ I though that it wouldn't be the case because I don't use it but it seems indeed the better place^^ thx for the answer

[thorny crescent]

The last of us two got game of the year or so I was told

Time to cry

[knotty aurora]

they haven't even finished voting tho?

[rapid forum]

Game of the year in golden joystick

Not game awards

Game awards is in december 12th I think

[knotty aurora]

so not valid opinion award

got it

🤔

oh i see it up there

sign in to vote

big sad

[rapid forum]

You can use google account

[maiden urchin]

https://prnt.sc/vqdk39 just discovered this is a thing lol

[knotty aurora]

I saw "Best family" in the awards and thought "Why isn't hades here?"
And then I read the rest of the description

"Family friendly"

[remote schooner]

What's the max amount of gems and diamonds needed

[knotty aurora]

like for the entire game?

what you mean?

[sudden dock]

I think may have gotten that in one of my first runs...

[vernal tapir]

Can some one tell me please what colour dose ur controller light up when u plugin and play Hades (PS4 controller)

[remote schooner]

Entire game was just wanting see how much work I have to go

[robust sundial]

@maiden urchin looks shopped ?

[maiden urchin]

its what happens if you try to buy a pom in charon's shop

with 0 boons

[robust sundial]

oh, okay

never went there without boons, thanks for showing me this 🙂

[keen cliff]

Does the pom even spawn if you don't have boons?

[dire ether]

Yes

It does in Styx at least

I haven’t paid attention to if it does before

But in Styx it gives you obols

[keen cliff]

I see

[pastel sage]

Why should I buy hades? I've played other rogue likes like deadcells and while i thought it was cool, i didnt spend too much time on it

i dont think im too attracted to rogue likes in general

so would hades be a no-go for me?

[dire ether]

I’m honestly not sure but I’ve never played a rogue like and have spent 40 hours a week on this gave for the last month and a half LOL

the story is there and it’s addicting as hell

[keen cliff]

Because hades has an awesome story!

[pastel sage]

how does the story and rouge-like aspects of the game mix?

[keen cliff]

And the characters are funny to listen to

[pastel sage]

Also, switch or PC haha

[keen cliff]

Yes

Pc is better imo

[robust sundial]

@pastel sage your best bet is to play it on a friend's library via family sharing, and make an opinion for yourself.

it sure could use a Demo, Steam has very little of those

[keen cliff]

I got Hades for free on Ebic

[pastel sage]

I dont think any of my friends have it, i dont mind spending 20 bucks though. Not the end of the world

i more than likely wont play too much though just becaus ei buy games and dont play them :/

[keen cliff]

The rogue-like aspects are revolving around the story

[pastel sage]

Also why do you say the PC is better?

[keen cliff]

Cos I don't have a switch

[radiant halo]

I quite like the switch version myself

[pastel sage]

i can never decide between switch and pc for games haha

[keen cliff]

I wish I could use my steam controller on games I have on epic

Then I could give you an honest review

[pastel sage]

when was it free on epic?

[keen cliff]

Bout a month ago

[pastel sage]

ah darn

I might just get hades on pc and katana zero on the switch

[keen cliff]

Usually when you see a lone game on steam is for sale, there's a good chance it's free on Ebic

[languid plover]

Hey, I have lots of experience with The Binding of Isaac & Renowned Explorer, some on roguelike card RPG. If you also count Chocobo Dungeon 2 as rogue-like to so be it.

1. You can almost never be screwed on Hades. (unless you run Tight Deadline)
   In TBOI, I almost want 1 of my first 2 item(upgrade) to be damage boost or either way it's gonna be hellish run. In Hades I can enjoy every boon(upgrade), either delayed burst, continous DOT or defensive utility.

2. Universal Approach.
   You like challenge, you can force on it (Heat). You just wanna enjoy the story? Hades offers plenty of it and you can tone down the challenge by enabling God Mode or use weapon and force build (God Keepsakes) you pretty much comfortable with.

[pastel sage]

so if there is a story, does the game end?

[winter harbor]

You can shape your run too, with meta progression stuff from the mirror and keepsakes

[brisk trail]

you can keep going after finishing the storyline

[remote schooner]

For me it's fact your rewarded try new routes while you progress through story and there is a easy mode and hard mode

[crude sorrel]

are there no more patches coming out? 😦

[clever wave]

Hopefully this is the right place to ask, but a friend of mine who saw the trailer for Hades recently is asking if it will be released on any Playstation or Xbox consoles in the future, or if it will stick to Steam/Epic Store/Switch

[maiden urchin]

lol im fighting ||hades|| boonless and i swear my dps might as well be 0

game was all going smooth then i cant even beat phase 1 dad

[radiant halo]

I've never thought about trying to do it boonless...how did you even manage to get boonless?

[violet talon]

you sell them all probably

and avoid them if possible

[radiant halo]

yeah I guess if you sold between each zone you could. I had read it as a "boonless" run not just on hades though (my bad)

[violet talon]

well you try to avoid them as much as you can but it would not be unlucky to get no choice but to take one, and you can also sell them in rooms if the fountain appears. I f you do that it is pretty much a boonless run (I do not know how you could do it otherwise)

[radiant halo]

yeah that's what I was thinking

[violet talon]

^^

[keen cliff]

You could mod the game

[sudden dock]

I'm tired of saying "2% more defense will net me the 32 heat win next time!"

[brisk trail]

Good day 🙂

[fleet zephyr]

I've gotta say, I warmed up to Pat's broken spearpoint over time
thought that getting combo'd in that 2 second window didnt come up quite often
But its quite useful as a final keepsake in Styx and the final boss

[severe flare]

I usually use the acorn from Eurydice

[brisk trail]

if I jump to, say, 20 heat on a weapon, can I still go back to a lower (not yet tried) heat and get rewards? or will I have to repeat 20 to get the rest?

So, I've reached the final boss a few times without beating him. I have some general questions:

1. Is it ever worth it to hoard gold for the final shop? (as in, not spend anything until then)
2. Is there any tell in the maze where the treat might be?
3. Is it worth it to enter a Chaos rift after Hydra or is the benefit not big when weighed against the risk?

[carmine ravine]

just use athenas revenge bopn

[fleet zephyr]

Well youre not always gonna comd across that

[dreamy tartan]

hello

[severe flare]

1. Most of the time, yes
2. You can't know until you get in there
3. Yes, if you have good skill

[novel wasp]

1. it is because how I play is usually just spend coins in well, rarely will I ever spend coins on a normal shop since thats 1 room less reward you will get.
2. The chances of getting the satyr sack room is 2 rooms to 5 rooms, and there is no way to know when to get them.
3. Chaos rift is always worth it.

[severe flare]

You can save Obol for Titan Blood/Diamond or you can spend on the rest to increase Zag's strength

[novel wasp]

There is not a single time I dont wanna enter a chaos rift unless I have 2 curses on me already

[severe flare]

1. Remember to get Poseidon, Chaos boon to increase Obol. Today I get +90% Obol from both

[novel wasp]

3 curses is where it starts to hinder you

[severe flare]

Also, borrowing 300 Obol from Charon gives you a head start

[novel wasp]

||If, you can beat Charon||

||Charon ||hits harder than your ||dad||

[severe flare]

It's easy. You just keep practicing

[novel wasp]

||if you cant beat dad forget about Charon lmfao||

||The guy cant even beat dad yet||

bruh

[severe flare]

Not for long, I guess

At first, it seems impossible but now...

It's easy

[novel wasp]

||still the chances of the guy shows up to get a measly 300 coins and maybe losing up to 1-2 DD if you are not good, yeah kinda not worth it sometimes||

[brisk trail]

The first time I tried that it was very early in Tartarus, needless to say it was a traumatic experience

[novel wasp]

||Especially in early games where getting spanked 1-2 times thats 1 DD gone lmao woo||

[severe flare]

If you say so, you need to practice more

[brisk trail]

i felt bamboozled

[novel wasp]

Yeah right, Im playing on 18 heat, its a bad idea to do so ngl

[severe flare]

I'm clumsy but I lose 1 DD at most

[novel wasp]

Early game?

in tartarsauce?

[severe flare]

Yeah

[novel wasp]

where you probably only had 1 modifier?

[severe flare]

I had 3, lost only 1

[novel wasp]

No I mean 1 modifier for your skillset

the others are empty

basically, early game

™️

unless I have Athena dash I cant confident say I can beat that thing early game

80 damage

when i still have 100 hp :pepega:

[brisk trail]

wait, what's 80? oar?

[severe flare]

I lost to him 7 times

Now I don't lose anymore

[novel wasp]

Sometimes the combo between an oar with the purple thing

[severe flare]

Watch youtube

You'll learn more

[novel wasp]

bad call on my part, but in my defense I am time constraint

no thanks, Im fine with what I have

[severe flare]

I didn't choose Tight Deadline

[novel wasp]

Picking Charon on Tight Deadline is a mistake

[severe flare]

So I have plenty of time

[novel wasp]

also, a pretty juiced up... +50% damage

distant oof in background

thats gotta hoirt

[severe flare]

You can buy Athena at his shop before borrowing 300 Obol

[novel wasp]

Lmao if it spawns Athena

[severe flare]

If not, don't worry

[novel wasp]

or I can always choose not to fight him

its not that hard

[brisk trail]

i think i asked this before, if i jump straight to 32 heat, will i be able to jump back down to a lower unclaimed heat and still get bounties?

[severe flare]

It's all about your skill

[novel wasp]

You can, but you only get 1 heat bounty per time

Sorry find another skill fetishist

this si the wrong guy

Im just enjoying torturing myself in other ways

[severe flare]

I play 250+ hrs

[brisk trail]

how masochistic are you

do you have HS

[novel wasp]

yes

[brisk trail]

fun

[novel wasp]

finished 2 hell mode file on third lets go

finish as in... 32 heat

theres no way I can compete over that, beyond 32 is too torturous

🤮

[brisk trail]

fresh file?

[novel wasp]

fresh

[brisk trail]

kool

[severe flare]

Watch youtube more, beating Charon is not that hard

[novel wasp]

ngl when I see people doing 50+ heat

its scary

[brisk trail]

i mean im still at 15 and slowly climbing

so anything 32 and over

[novel wasp]

You'll get there

[brisk trail]

i think i'll try jumping

and just crawl back down if i get beat up

[novel wasp]

Like say if you complete a run in 32, you still get the bounty at 15 if you havent finish 15

[severe flare]

I jumped from 5 to 16

[novel wasp]

the limit is until 20

basically, you gotta finish the game 20 times to get all weapons contract

[severe flare]

I learn builds from Youtube

[novel wasp]

Ok ok

Fine

whatever

🙄

[severe flare]

I have a tip: hold Aegis shield attack to block. Very useful

Blocked Asterius, Hades

[novel wasp]

I have a tip: Shield clear was my first win

[undone cairn]

Guys
We need more Dionysus wallpapers on wallpaper engine

[novel wasp]

@undone cairn just get the legs

[severe flare]

Don't be so serious, this game is not very hard

[novel wasp]

the legs pic

Then why are you keep shoving tips into my face

if you arent serious

[severe flare]

Because I want to help you

[novel wasp]

I dont need it thanks

as I said earlier

[severe flare]

Sorry if you don't like it

[robust sundial]

someone's trolling

[brisk trail]

dio's legs living rent-free in my head

[novel wasp]

Leg gang

[faint flint]

we need a faster firing rail

with multiple barrels

call it the aspect of schwarzenegger

[vernal tapir]

Can some one tell me please what colour dose ur controller light up when u plugin and play Hades i am having issues some times it lights up red and some times blue and i doesn't work (PS4 controller)

[novel wasp]

@faint flint Aspect of Heavy Weapons Guy

yatatatatata

[winter mango]

Is it possible to suggest for the codex to be closed by pressing "c" a second time, and likewise for the boon list by pressing "b"?

[brisk trail]

you can exit both with esc

[green maple]

how bad does EM3 Theseus/Minos get

[quaint hatch]

Theseus gets easier

Asterius gets a bit harder

Overall it's nicer than the regular fight imo

[severe flare]

Asterius has spinning attack continuously like hip hop dance

Though you can block it with Aegis shield

[green maple]

huh

[quaint hatch]

That's the worst description I ever heard

[green maple]

how bad does asterius really get

i heard that theseus gets easy and gets back at the gods aid phase

[severe flare]

Hyper Sprint to run away from him

[green maple]

so i was like

ayy, then EM 3?

and people were like

[quaint hatch]

You can only block to a certain degree
Once the spin attack gets behind your 180° defense it hits you

[green maple]

But....Asterius exists

[quaint hatch]

I recommend EM3 personally

[severe flare]

you change shield direction

[quaint hatch]

You'll need it at higher heats either way

[severe flare]

tried and tested

[quaint hatch]

Only EM4 isn't played
Out if time reasons

[green maple]

up to EM 3 is just heat 6 which is my highest heat reach

[quaint hatch]

Staying away from the spin is just way more effective

[severe flare]

That's my way - Hyper Sprint

but you don't need to if you want

[quaint hatch]

There earlier you get used to it the better

[green maple]

actually its higher than my highest heat reach

hmmm the next time i shield

[quaint hatch]

I can also recommend TD1, JS1, MM and BP2

[green maple]

i guess its nothing but EM3

TD1 idk...i sometimes run bad on time

JS1 is good

MM be pretty cool except some phases are irrtating

BP2?

what's bp again?

[quaint hatch]

TD1 is 36 minutes
The average player should be fine with 30 min max

Benefits package

[green maple]

oh

2?

for real?

ive only tried one

and the atk/movement speed buff is irritating

[quaint hatch]

BP1 is free
BP2 the skulls and spear men can be nasty if the get the blue heart stuff
Otherwise it's ez

And super fun imo

[green maple]

hmm

[quaint hatch]

Also it gets you a prophecy

[green maple]

ive panicked when the butterfly balls had magnetic fields around them

wait so if BP2 happens every armored enemy has 2 buffs instead of 1?

[quaint hatch]

If you're playing melee it doesn't matter
If you're playing range it doesn't matter

[green maple]

WHAT

:panic:

[quaint hatch]

The magnetic effect

Yes they have two perks

[green maple]

hmmm

[molten nymph]

if you're running fists/rails/chiron/bow4 DC2 is also free

[green maple]

omg attack speed + teleport would be an amazing comp

DC?

[molten nymph]

damaga control

nulify 2 attacks

[brisk trail]

at what recommended heat level is it recommended to take SD instead of DD?

[green maple]

oh

the blue things

[quaint hatch]

Dc is free with cast attacks

[quaint hatch]

Idk like 40+

[green maple]

40+ omg

[molten nymph]

i run SD for 32

[quaint hatch]

Maybe 32 but I'm not sure about that

[brisk trail]

trying out 32 heat for the first time... walking into elysium with 2 DDs gone

[green maple]

i just like sd because i randomly die while playing mini bosses

[molten nymph]

its... actually more comfy than DD for me at this point

[green maple]

i sometimes even die to meg and i panic hard

[quaint hatch]

The good thing about DD's is that they can be p easily restored

[molten nymph]

i can make mistakes knowing i have heal down the line

[quaint hatch]

For me it's just about problem fights

[molten nymph]

it gets annoying at times though

[green maple]

i sometimes also die to styx poison

[molten nymph]

like

[green maple]

[quaint hatch]

Like usually i won't die in most rooms only multiple times in a problem room or stage 3/4 boss

[molten nymph]

miscounting enemies

[quaint hatch]

With stubborn roots sd is something different ofc

[molten nymph]

or ||styx|| rooms

[brisk trail]

i have never been so scared of a numbskull

just ||teleporting|| at me suddenly

[green maple]

i die too many times

i sometimes perish to LAVA

asphodel be like: no u

[quaint hatch]

The problem is a group of dc giving numbskulls

[molten nymph]

20 numbskulls charging at you with ||4 blue hearts each|| will always be my nightmare

[quaint hatch]

Cause they'll give themselves like 5dc each time

[brisk trail]

oh no

[molten nymph]

yeah

[quaint hatch]

Also the dc giving spear exalted

[green maple]

wait how in hell does

4 blue hearts work

isnt the max 2