but maybe you should just take a bit of a break
#h1-discussion
eternal marlin
eternal marlin
@gaunt sorrel first of all the placement has already been celebrated in the announcements channel, secondly i'm pretty sure most people don't understand german in here
gaunt sorrel
I didn't know the first part because I joined just to share it 10min ago. And I was too happy to consider the second part. Sorry
brisk trail
did they make a mac version? or mac was there from a release?
eternal marlin
no worries fenris
brisk trail
uh it was
quick bone
what happens if I gift nector twice?
how many items do characters give you?
I dont want to end up wasting it. I gave one to hades earlier but he gave me nothing :(
faint flint
re golden touch
when it says region
does it mean like
tartarus asmodel etc
or room
strong vessel
@quick bone actually, you have to give out nectars a lot of times. Don't worry! You'll pick up lots in further runs. None is ever wasted!
The characters can either give you ||none or one item||. You'll form bonds with them the more you give them nectars ||and ambrosia||. Good luck and enjoy!
@faint flint golden touch grants 15% (max rank at 3. Grants 5% per rank) of your current gold each time you enter a new region. You are correct. Those are Tartarus, Asphodel, Etc. To put it simply, you enter a break room each time you finish a boss correct? The room where you can heal, buy items, sell a boon and change your keepsakes. When you enter that room. You gain 15% of your current held gold.
quick bone
<@491503554528542723> actually, you have to give out nectars a lot of times. Don...
thanks, thats better!
strong vessel
I got worried the first time too!
Especially when each run is so precious. Haha
I can assure you it gives them when you enter that break room. š
floral hazel
Just a quick question if I might ask but when is it wrong paying a blood price to jump down the descend portals?
It is wroth*
No when
faint flint
how much hp do you need to win
floral hazel
Ohhhhh so thatās how you meet chaos?
Holy heck man Iāve been playing this game wrong
storm terrace
Yeah but sometimes there is a Hammer, and tough choices are made
sharp fossil
if you have more than 1 hp left at the end of the game, you wasted some
make sure to win with zero DDs and 1hp or youāre doing it wrong
sharp fossil
lol
nah but legit chaos boon are very powerful
and thereās a prophecy for them as well
floral hazel
Ah
faint flint
the only hitpoint you need to win is the last one
sharp fossil
congrats!
same here actually
only other games iāve done 100% have been ones with like, less than 10 achievements
rapid forum
I didn't plan to 100%
I saw my achievements and was like "okay, screw it let's do it"
floral hazel
Iāve 100% kirby games and botw
and I tried to 100% skyrim before my save file became corrupted but thatās off topic
Mind if I ask about companions too? Whoās should I get first? How do I get them? That sorta thing
sharp fossil
you get them by gifting and talking to the people who give them to you
iād probably recommend ||meg or sisyphus|| first off
graceful valve
someone know what mean the icon on the left of the Hp bar ?
sharp fossil
the badges? those are late game cosmetic items
atomic seal
lol easiest way is using ||lucifier ||aspect with support fire to build up call
formal portal
quaint hatch
Just cause you can't snipe full room?
tiny grove
If the gun had any more range on its attack
it'd be so easy to use
it's already easier to beat the game with gun than most other weapons
neat kettle
coarse patio
gun and bow were my first two clears lol, i just find it difficult playing short range
faint flint
i mean thematically
like you'd think the rail would have a longer range than the spear
quaint hatch
It usually has
versed dagger
Hades for Game of the year!!!
gleaming granite
Is zag not allowed to stand too long on rugs because he would ruin them?
Like an hot iron standing on the shirt
quaint hatch
Two hot irons
hearty sierra
I assume the rugs are self-regenerating like the pillars are
Doesn't make sense for ||Hades to install carpet everywhere just to ruin it - he has hot feet as well||
austere jacinth
I mean, Hades has the same feet-issue, so I assume they're all specially made.
robust sundial
kevlar strings
brisk trail
Is there any way to properly crowd control with hestia rail
hearty sierra
The Special, of course
But there's also the hammer upgrade that makes shots bounce
chilly slate
zag just taking the absolute piss out of me saying "maybe it's down here" as i enter the fifth and final satyr tunnel
hearty sierra
Oh I don't know Zag, where else might it be?
hearty sierra
Yep
sharp fossil
yup
brisk trail
I was feeling pretty good about my 31st run until I fought || hades || for the first time and got a spear to the face
opaque nexus
can confirm, as a speedrunner
hearty sierra
I was feeling pretty good about my 31st run until I fought || hades || for the f...
Ahahahahahahah no spoilers but I'd like to point out similarities between him and Zag
brisk trail
Please do
hearty sierra
Both have casts, both have spears (Gigaros and Varatha), both have dash, and both have (extra spoiler don't look if you haven't beaten him) ||DD||
brisk trail
Iāll be honest. I didnāt even have enough time to take in his attack pattern before I met my demise
hearty sierra
No spoil, it's the best part about the game
Ahahahah good luck!
Dash a lot and cast more
Chip damage is better than trying to go in and melee
cold surge
Acorn helps
brisk trail
Thanks, Iāll try it today. Hopefully I can get past those damn tunnels
cold surge
And yeah hit and run between his attacks he has a brief transition period between attacks
Face tanking will be a bad time
hearty sierra
Also when he ||turns invisible there's footsteps where he steps because his feet are hot - attention to detail!||
So you can track him
brisk trail
My main strategy up until now has been stay far and spam projectiles, but when the dude is basically teleporting, I canāt really do stuff about that
cold surge
When he disappears it gives breathing room, you get a visual cue that gives you enough time to dash away before he appears
opaque nexus
it's a pretty great boss fight
hearty sierra
My main strategy up until now has been stay far and spam projectiles, but when t...
Shield + Ares or Varatha + Ares both worked when I was starting out
Helps to have tons of chip damage, just have to hit 'em
brisk trail
Iāll be sure to do a Varatha run today
cold surge
Dashing has invincibility frames so take advantage of that for shockwaves
brisk trail
I had a really good duo boon that made all boons I found epic
cold surge
I dash into the shockwaves rather than away
opaque nexus
exclusive access
hearty sierra
I had a really good duo boon that made all boons I found epic
Ooh yeah exclusive access
brisk trail
Yup
opaque nexus
it'... okay
cold surge
Varatha is my worst weapon and was my last clear
hearty sierra
Sell that when you can
opaque nexus
if you get it early
cold surge
Shield was my first clear
hearty sierra
Varatha is my worst weapon and was my last clear
Lmao mine was probably bow?
cold surge
Demeter fists has my best clear time by far though
opaque nexus
better off to get the money
same
7:39
but I could probably go lower if I rolled the dice enough
cold surge
Oh wow nice I canāt get under 20 yet
hearty sierra
Demeter fists has my best clear time by far though
Mine was Eris Rail + Zeus.
brisk trail
I also had an Ares boon that automatically filled my god meter
cold surge
But Iām not going for time
opaque nexus
actually i definitely could, but I don't want to
hearty sierra
I also had an Ares boon that automatically filled my god meter
It's a hermes boon, boo
brisk trail
Was it?
hearty sierra
Yep yep!
brisk trail
I might be confusing it with the fact that I had Ares as my call
opaque nexus
worst call
brisk trail
It saved me a few times to be fair
opaque nexus
poseidon does the same thing
cold surge
There is a duo boon that caps you at 25 percent but auto charges
You may be thinking of that?
opaque nexus
poseidon also makes you unable to take damage
and does way more
so
ares call is kinda weak
hearty sierra
Yeah but consider the fact that they were mainly going Ares
opaque nexus
ares call is only good if you have vicious cycle
hearty sierra
Having multiple of the same god would be better for newer players
soft mortar
I was finally able to get a clip of a lingering hitbox
hearty sierra
You should take into account they're not seasoned or anything
hearty sierra
I was finally able to get a clip of a lingering hitbox
Oooo
opaque nexus
just tryna educate people
soft mortar
I just need to take it out of my switch when i get home
I always had this problem and i hate it
cold surge
I donāt like to go in on a specific god generally
hearty sierra
Ares boutta smite you for that, Cin
opaque nexus
ares is low tier
hearty sierra
No such thing as worst call
hearty sierra
Play as you like
soft mortar
I use to run full zeus on the shield
opaque nexus
fr ares is fun
hearty sierra
I use to run full zeus on the shield
Hell yeah Zeus Shield+ his boons
soft mortar
Get those extra boons and the bounces
opaque nexus
zeus is a god you should be stacking if you go zeus in the first place
cold surge
And secret bow
hearty sierra
Recall the shield and have a homing shield on you that wreaks havoc
opaque nexus
Zeus special on bow is great
not really, because of the internal cooldown on the lightning, it only does the lightning once per volley on chiron
soft mortar
Im using zeus and demeter on a bow rn
opaque nexus
I mean I could be wrong
opaque nexus
dio is good
carmine ravine
zeus imo
brisk trail
Aresā call is pretty good if you have his boon that pulls enemies in too
opaque nexus
add ares or aphro attack for priv and a chance at their duos
cold surge
I really like Aphrodite for slow attacks with high base damage
carmine ravine
ares/aphro duo is meh, only for enabling PS
cold surge
I donāt go for specific duos
opaque nexus
heart rend is a staple build for damage
soft mortar
Also
opaque nexus
that extra hangover is super good
soft mortar
I just beat the full story finally
dark root
Nice
opaque nexus
especially with the bow changes adding extra projectiles
hearty sierra
Ayyy
cold surge
I donāt even have all companions only 2
soft mortar
I have 0
chilly slate
i hit 140 hours yesterday
dark root
Iām nearing my 80th escape attempt and have only gotten to the final boss 3 times
cold surge
I have 101
soft mortar
I have dusa and megara at full
opaque nexus
iirc low tolerance is better than curse of nausea for dps
soft mortar
But no companions
cold surge
I started with God Mode bc chronic pain and new to action games but recently been turning it off
Surprised by how much Iāve improved although I did have to get used to final boss at first
chilly slate
i had a dream that i had a school project on a character from the game. like half the class chose charon
cold surge
I actually got my fastest time ever without god mode
opaque nexus
hnnnrg
cold surge
I donāt go for time right now
cold surge
I havenāt successfully done an Erebus gate yet
But Iāve only tried a handful of times
chilly slate
that's him saying he's famous
i gotchu
opaque nexus
erebus gates are the dark souls of hades
dark root
i had a dream that i had a school project on a character from the game. like hal...
They say that all dreams have meanings
cold surge
I never actually played dark souls
opaque nexus
it's like when every movie compared themselves to jaws
or psycho
I much prefer game journalist jokes
cold surge
So when someone says ādark souls ofā I have no idea what they mean
opaque nexus
game journalist mode
basically it's difficult
is what they're saying
but it's often a huge stretch
bronze ravine
I cleared a gate once (first try) but didn't enter them later, don't see the point other than being an additional option if the other doors are bad
opaque nexus
like saying crash bandicoot remake is like dark souls
cold surge
So someone would call 50 heat ādark souls of hades?ā
cold surge
As an example I mean
opaque nexus
first run is the dark souls of speedrun categories
cold surge
Right now I can get to Elysium at 8 heat but die there
opaque nexus
I have not even done a first run completion, let alone a speedrun
cold surge
Same here I like my mirror upgrades too much
Also sword isnāt my favorite weapon
Especially if it isnāt secret sword, my favorite sword aspect
chilly slate
i've kept god mode on for my entire first save, about 160 runs and i still haven't completed ~every single~ quest/relationship but i'm close
opaque nexus
theseus is a complete joke
chilly slate
second save file will be normal
cold surge
I used god mode for farming Titanās blood but have been doing 0 heat non god mode
opaque nexus
ok time for a real comparison to dark souls
chilly slate
demeter boons help a lot with asterius
cold surge
And have been cranking heat now, I think I got a 5 heat clear on non god mode
opaque nexus
the heroes boss is the ornstein and smough of hades
cold surge
I chose easy heat factors tho
opaque nexus
it serves the same purpose in progression
cold surge
Damage shield is free for fists basically
opaque nexus
it's basically "git gud or die trying"
it's also just a pretty similar design for a gank boss
one slim guy with a spear, and big heavy guy
difference is the big guy is a bigger threat than the small boi
bronze ravine
I'm going to try 16 heat soon for the prize, not sure what I will try
opaque nexus
I really like elysium but also hate it
cold surge
Flame chariots suck
chilly slate
the key is not to choose boons based on strategy. the key is to choose the boons that look coolest
cold surge
Or whatever theyāre called
chilly slate
this will somehow end up being the most effective build you ever end up with
opaque nexus
I like it because it's a grueling test of endurance in a beautiful environment ending with a super difficult boss
bronze ravine
Flame wheels
cold surge
With fists I choose Artemis cast sometimes specifically bc they home in
soft mortar
@chilly slate your pfp reminds me of my cat
opaque nexus
I hate it because it's a grueling test of endurance ending with a super difficult boss
cold surge
But dashing through flame wheels with Poseidon dash works too
chilly slate
<@244993267928662017> your pfp reminds me of my cat
i chose it bc it takes up the whole screen on video calls
bronze ravine
I liked the ares Athena duo with fists
cold surge
I guide their AI into walls
opaque nexus
from a speedrun perspective, elysium makes or breaks runs
chilly slate
i just take divine dash and steamroll them
opaque nexus
that too
bronze ravine
Boss got melted before going through all his attacks
opaque nexus
if you don't get free rooms in elysium you will suffer
soft mortar
Wtf?
opaque nexus
and I mean fountains, patty, thanatos (altough he's bad on RTA)
soft mortar
Styx has no boons from gods i want
zealous fiber
Patty is a godsend on those early runs
He's saved a few runs of mine by giving me more DD
severe flare
I've just gotten the last achievement - Thanks, but no Thanks
I beat Charon, got a lot of Obol. I bought Dionysus boon at room 13. Purged it after room 14.
If you want this achievement, try to get the legendary boon in Tartarus. Then purge and done!
chilly slate
my latest galaxy brain move: obtaining brilliant riposte right before the witches in asphodel
over in five divine dashes
runic agate
I'm duwunk
brisk trail
I hate that room
runic agate
If you want this achievement, try to get the legendary boon in Tartarus. Then pu...
All you have to do is purge a legendary it's not specific to tartarus
None of what you described was important
Other then purging a legendary
No charon or tartarus required
Just have a legendary and purge it
I just looked at the achievement on steam since I have that one and all it is, is to purge a legendary
Doesnt matter where
severe flare
If you go to Elysium you'll have a lot of boons. Can't purge the legendary one.
Maybe if you get luck with RNG.
runic agate
I got that achievement after elysium sooooooooo
severe flare
Charon give you 300 Obol. You can get strong boon early.
severe flare
The key is getting Lengedary boon as early as you can.
You're not wrong, my friend.
severe flare
But I find this is the easiest way.
After Tartarus, I have only 4 boons. No need to rely on RNG.
severe flare
Getting it is easy for me. The problem is I have a lot of boons after Elysium so can't purge it.
Rely on RNG is boring so I decided to do it after Tartarus.
chilly slate
do you have the mirror skill to reroll? you can use it when you purge
severe flare
Yes but I had sooo many boons.
runic agate
Saying getting a legendary is easy is utterly dumb as far as I'm aware the only way to raise a chance for a legendary is the mirror skill
severe flare
Reroll 3 times but still can't.
severe flare
Honestly speaking, I get them many many times. Just read boon progression.
Don't choose the ones that you like.
runic agate
I read what the require ments are and have that mirror skill on yet I've had what's required for the past 6 runs but guess what 0 legendary
That's what RNG is buddy
carmine ravine
legend is rarer yes
runic agate
I have 60 hours in the game
So I dont know how many runs I've had for real
The only legendary I've ever had was the ares one
raw lantern
i had to actively look for the legendaries
but most of them require 1 flourish and 1 strike of two different gods
zealous fiber
Just as a disclaimer, duo boons do not work for the achievement anymore, you must purge a boon that explicitly says LEGENDARY
It used to work before but doesn't anymore, according to reddit posts
severe flare
I have 247 hrs. I also have the mirror talents. Legend are rare but I get them many times.
I use Fated persuasion.
wary charm
On the switch version is dusa support bugged?
next anchor
is there a basis for which determines when you will find duo boons? like do you need two or more of both gods' boons to trigger?
delicate pilot
there are specific triggers
unless the boon is an upgrade to a specific boon, typically you need to have both gods boons as main boons
an example for specific ||If you want Crystal Clarity, you need any Artemis main boon and Crystal Beam||
next anchor
oh
delicate pilot
passive boons will not give you a duo
next anchor
i was just looking for methods i might need for |Zeus+Poseidon boon duo that annihilates everyone in the room with knockback effect = lightning strike|
delicate pilot
||you need any zeus and any poseidon main boon.||
next anchor
ok, though i have yet to get this duo in conjunction with multiple knockback
delicate pilot
it's jsut random
molten nymph
you can check duo requirements in the codex
brisk trail
they might not have that yet
zealous fiber
What's the earliest legendary effect I can fish for, guys?
I just want something to sell for the achievement tbh
tacit dirge
hello, i have a question to finish hades i need how many hours ?
and to finish 100%
and to finish expert mode ?
(i nerver play this game)
unkempt sleet
Depends on your definition of finish and 100%
brisk trail
Basically never real 100%, except ir youāre godlike
quiet gull
There is no "expert mode", and I don't recommend playing in Hell Mode
unkempt sleet
To clear your first run you'll probably need 20 ish hours.
To get to the ending you'll need maybe 25.
To get the highest reward the game gives you it's hundreds of hours
brisk trail
Go do max heat with all weapons š¤¤
quiet gull
You definitely need more than five hours for the epilogue, lol
Oh you just meant the credits nvm
unkempt sleet
Actually yeah, it's more like 15
quiet gull
im dum
unkempt sleet
Well you need to clear the game 10 times, each run should be around 30-25 mins
Counting some failed attempts I'd say an extra 10-15 hours
quiet gull
Runs take closer to an hour of real time, even though the in game timer says 30minutes
Well, successful runs take that time, at least
wicked crater
Isn't hell mode just ||having the pact of punishment available before your first completion||?
unkempt sleet
||It also has a permanent 5 heat minimum and a new heat modifier||
wicked crater
sounds fun
dark scroll
It also has removed the thingy when you get hit.
So a flamewheel can 100->0 you.
Highest reward is petting Cerby.
wicked crater
highest reward is actually probably ||mom||
dark scroll
I'm sticking with my answer.
unkempt sleet
what is the āhighest reward the game gives youā?
||32 heat skelly statue||
flat vapor
What is Hades week ly challenge?
it was a weekly thing during early access but unfortunately now is indefinitely on break
weary parrot
probably just hope for the best on runs + wretched broker
flat vapor
you can look at what the challenges were here: https://www.hades-fansite.com/
but this is pre-1.0
dark scroll
whats the best way to farm nectar?
You can buy some from the shop aswell but best way is just to keep playing. Early on you'll need keys, darkness, later blood etc. You'll do plenty of runs before you even finish the game once let alone "finish" the game.
rancid berry
I just got ||the true ending|| but ive only done like 31 runs so i need way more of everything
dark scroll
Well depends how you define true ending.
rancid berry
im on a 9 win streak I just got my tenth
dark scroll
You got multiple endings of sort.
rancid berry
||mom came home||
rancid berry
||cool god war incoming or something||
rancid berry
im playing on family share so its free
dark scroll
I thought it was in your name.
wicked crater
When I need nectar, keys, etc. I just ||play low heat runs trying get as many boons that boost darkness & gems from chaos and Poseidon. Then I trade all my gems for keys and then keys for nectar||
dark scroll
runs away
celest wind
@dark scroll (you mean the nickname?)
wicked crater
But now I don't need nectar so I'm just grinding gems for everything in the constructor's shop
wicked crater
Very situational but I believe usually it's ||3rd option: next 3 boons are an upgraded rarity||
rancid berry
kk ty
celest wind
@dark scroll setting aside the apt nickname, I have a penchant for trying to find things.
So there have been a lot of runs where the goal isn't to actually clear the run, but to see if I can't trigger events
but I am also an idiot
dark scroll
Regarding act 2 story room; I 50/50 between 1st and 3rd. Depends how many boons I got and if I feel a little bit lucky. I see no real use for the 2nd one.
Wish they would change it a bit. Get 2/3 boons each +3 levels.* (*activates after 15 rooms) Maybe not that but either more general usefull or even more gambly.
tight agate
what do I do I can't beat hades I keep getting closer and closer but it feels like banging my head against a wall
it's not fun anymore
thick oar
Just gotta vent here say that theseus is such a puss
Even tho Iāve clapped him multiple times
winter harbor
Zagreus should be the champion of elysium by now
celest wind
One of my friends loves getting to the stadium because she finds him "satisfyingly punchable" 
austere jacinth
There's more to being the Champion than just winning! Zagreus needs the support of the people. (Which he will never get, the blackguard).
celest wind
He gets the support of that ONE shade!
wicked crater
I'm trying to 1st run Hades now and THAT feels like I'm banging my head into a wall
thick oar
I havenāt gotten passed hades yet
Had 3 tries so far
Almost beat him with the knuckles š£
wicked crater
What's killing me the most is only having 1 dash lmao it messes my muscle memory so much
thick oar
I usually always run 2 or 3
Iāve been trying to get to him with my 2 death defiance but elysuim boss usually takes one of those away
I used the shield against hades last time and got bodied
brisk trail
i didn't beat him till like 21 runs with full DDs
wicked crater
My highest heat run SO FAR is 16 heat
thick oar
Iām at around 20 runs I think rn
wicked crater
But now I'm trying to beat a full run on a brand new file in the 1st attempt
Having trouble with meg LMAO
brisk trail
have fun w that
zealous fiber
I recommend trying the Bow or Rail, they have some really cheesy builds that can completely ruin Hades
brisk trail
i hate normal sword so i could never
zealous fiber
Rail in particular, just aim for Artemis special and Zeus primary
thick oar
I like the rail a lot but havenāt gotten to hades with it
zealous fiber
If you get the big boom hammer upgrade, you're going to murder Hades
brisk trail
i feel like spear is the safest to get a clear with
celest wind
plus, Hades has some fun dialogue if you bring the spear
quiet sable
Hi, are attack boons bonus damage affect dash-attack?
wicked crater
Technically yeah ||but he stopped using it after he killed the titans||
zealous fiber
You take the rail and equip the Zeus keepsake. The first boon you get from him, you choose primary Zeus buff. You melt through all the Tartarus enemies with the primary. Second floor you equip the Artemis keepsake instead and fish for Artemis special + the boons that increase crit damage
thick oar
Whatās primary?
zealous fiber
And then you pick the boons associated with the special. Either triple bomb or the big boom upgrade. That was my very first run and it's arguably the easiest to clap hades with
thick oar
Just the first one?
thick oar
Ok
zealous fiber
Although Artemis special isn't obligatory, I've had great results with both Aphrodite and Ares special
thick oar
Rail + Zeus ring + Zeus primary got it
zealous fiber
I could link you a YT video of Haelian explaining it much better than I can
He lists 5-6 builds that are very potent and not too hard to execute with. There are a few spoilers regarding hidden weapon aspects though, if you haven't uncovered those
celest wind
Those hidden aspects have some great dialogue
zealous fiber
I don't think it spoils the dialogue persay, just what the weapons do. Which might be even worse to you if you enjoy exploration
brisk trail
i used to always look for divine dash too
zealous fiber
But honestly, if you feel like you're super stuck and about to give up, it's better to seek some help
rose nexus
i hate using rail with controller unless its ||lucifer||
zealous fiber
Yes, Divine Dash is great.
brisk trail
helps a lot if getting hit is your prob
zealous fiber
Divine Dash is always amazing, my favorite dash boon to this day
rose nexus
rail specials are a pain in the bum with controller x.x
zealous fiber
Really? I find it so much easier on the controller cuz the controller does the aiming for you
Unless you're fighting a certain boss that spams a bunch of vases all the time
Cuz the controller targets the vases sometimes :<
Controller is generally easier imo because it gives you a certain degree of aim assist, allowing you to constantly focus on spacing and dodging stuff instead of aiming at enemies with your cursor
It's the same in Enter the Gungeon
manic bobcat
I wouldn't flat out call controller "easier."
rose nexus
Really? I find it so much easier on the controller cuz the controller does the a...
i like strategizing with stuff like bombs
manic bobcat
Aim assist can help and hurt. Many a times you want to shoot one target but aim assist makes you shoot another. Also Rail Special is easier to use on mouse.
rose nexus
but the aim assist helps with bow and spear for me
zealous fiber
Yes, of course. It has its drawbacks for sure.
But if you're trying to push for that first clear and you're struggling on keyboard + mouse?
Give controller a shot
Mouse + keyboard allows for a greater degree of freedom once you get good at the game, but it also has a much steeper learning curve imo
rose nexus
i used controller purely out of laziness and now its all i can use with the game ahaaaa
astral swift
I just realized Zagreus does a flip when you cast 
rose nexus
wh
brisk trail
he does?
astral swift
Ye a lil bby flip
manic bobcat
Yeah. I play on controller myself. I just don't want to say controller is easier as it might give the impression that you need controller to win, which is certainly not the case. Anyhow, maybe just me being anal about this.
astral swift
Maybe I'm reading the animation wrong 
rose nexus
Ye a lil bby flip
i needa see this when i play again
right now im drawing the meg
i cant stop calling her the meg
manic bobcat
Cross over episode?
worthy shard
so if i have 2 eye of lamia, does it become 30% ?
wicked crater
no it just stacks up how many rooms it will last
You can see there's a number under the effect for how many encounters it is still active for
It will just update
atomic seal
meanwhile I'm using m+k and ditched controller
manic bobcat
there you go
manic bobcat
is Hades not a platformer?
brisk trail
always has been
atomic seal
you don't see zag jumping platform like mario lol
brisk trail
explain these coins...
atomic seal
...I think you're taking it too literally
brisk trail
i'm joking
austere jacinth
I tend to use controllers for action games
rose nexus
^
atomic seal
e-e it feel awkward
rose nexus
i cant even play minecraft with a controller
atomic seal
really makes me wonder how fps games like halo had success on console
wicked crater
bullet magnetism and auto aim
atomic seal
yeh it doesnt feel rewarding :l
dark scroll
Never used autoaim.
wicked crater
Nah at least in Halo it still felt rewarding. Halo had other hard techniques to pull off other than just "free aiming". In fact people on PC for MCC complain about the controller users because the bullet magnetism and auto-aim literally outclasses pro level M+K aiming
zealous fiber
It's not impossible to do well in FPS with a controller
DrDisrespect plays CoD with a controller and no aim assist, he shreds people
But it's curious to think about. One of the reasons Overwatch doesn't have cross-platform play is due to how consoles have a certain level of aim assist and PC versions don't.
And how heroes like Torbjorn are that much more broken on console vs PC due to how they play
rancid ember
oooof tough choice
Eurydice, or Daedalus Hammer...
I guess I have to choice Eurydice
silver kestrel
Yeah like even if you somehow have no boons you want upgraded you can just Eurydice to give you the future upgrades one.
dark scroll
I had eury, hermes, artemism and chaos room i think going cast build.
novel wasp
Thanatos
zealous fiber
So I should always pick the NPC instead of hammer?
silver kestrel
Breakfast approaches.
dark scroll
Not always but its one of the better story rooms with few alternatives.
wicked crater
I love playing Holy Excaliber back stab crit ā¤ļø them big numbers
novel wasp
Breakfast approaches.
gives you a pancake at the end
also probably destroy everyone with a butterknife
dark scroll
I skip hammers aswell when i do cast builds.
zealous fiber
I like certain hammers for cast builds
Particularly in the case of Sword of Poseidon, that one hammer that increases the radius of your special is very useful
I'd like to say that the hammer special that gives you the gap closer on your special + Durable effect is good, but that one genuinely makes me miss 50% of my specials
dark scroll
Yea but thats too chancy, esp if the other choice is artemis or so
zealous fiber
Oh of course. If other other choice is Artemis, you always go Artemis
If you get her Dislodge Boon, your cast build is good to go
silver kestrel
The sword gap closer was fun but I killed myself with it and also couldn't adjust my aim fast enough.
zealous fiber
Yep, the sword gap closer is actually kinda bad
Cuz you can already queue up your special and then dash forward
Which basically performs the same function minus the durable part
silver kestrel
zealous fiber
I'm hardly the expert though, I just love talking about Hades because the game is friggin excellent
The highest heat I've gone through was 16, so far below the 35 heat norm
Or was it 32, what do speedrunners use
wicked crater
Did you know Hades is a nominee for Game of the Year along with:
Animal Crossing: New Horizons
The Last of Us: Part 2
Ghosts of Tsushima
Final Fantasy 7 Remake
Doom Eternal
All these $60 games and then you got Hades a $20
silver kestrel
Game of the Year is all industry politics but Hades is most def my overall game of the year.
dark scroll
Animal Crossing, Ghost or Hades to win.
If all the buyers vote Animal Crossing is a shoein. ;p
atomic seal
there will be many salty peep if last of us win
dark scroll
Did Lou1 win?
atomic seal
I mean part 2
dark scroll
and i mean 1 ;p
atomic seal
hades is definitely going to win best indie game for sure
but not sure about goty
mainstream games will take over sadly :l
and yeah it did
wicked crater
I just wish the build I'm trying to go for would just come together
But it needs so MANY boons to get the highest possible damage
atomic seal
what you're building?
I assume arti x apro duo boon is must for you
slap clean cut and nut
rancid ember
Is it bad of me that when I go to Eurydice I always get the Ambrosia Delight? It only upgrades two rarities... As opposed to 3 rarities you don't have yet or 4 levelups
wicked crater
Aspect of Arthur and I'm trying to go for:
Artemus attack
Athena exposed back stab bonus
Chaos back stab bonus
Chaos attack bonus
Aphrodite Artemus duo if possible
Back stab hammer
then ||switching to Nyx's keepsake for Hades||
atomic seal
rng might screw you over
wicked crater
The closest I've gotten was without the backstab hammer and any of the chaos boons
And I was still critting at 3000+ damage
atomic seal
pray to rng that you don't get athena x aphr duo boon instead lol
rancid ember
Might want to spoil ||Hades'|| name
wicked crater
I NEVER get the chaos boons I need though when I run specific builds in mind
Need a backstab build? Never gonna give you attack or backstab bonus.
Need a cast build? Never gonna give you +1 bloodstone or cast damage bonus
Chaos hates me
rancid ember
It'd probably be generous to say you'd even have a 1 in 50 chance of getting two specific Chaos boons in one run
Even getting 1 is fairly unlikely
Getting one OF two would be a little easier
wicked crater
Probably worse than that. It's only "likely" cause of re-rolls. But even then when I have a ton of re-rolls to spend, I straight up don't even get Chaos
crystal pelican
I find for myself that chaos is best to do early when you don't have a specific build in mind yet (and when the curse is least likely to cause you problems) if a chaos gate happens to show up then
dark scroll
And you can reroll perhaps.
wicked crater
Yeah. Sometimes a Chaos shows up late and I'm running an attack build and I find an Epic attack bonus boon. The catch: Take damage when you attack. LMAO okay well I guess I'll take something useless then
silver kestrel
Is it bad of me that when I go to Eurydice I always get the Ambrosia Delight? It...
I don't think so. If your build is already coming together by Asphodel why bother upgrading things that aren't vital to it or that would be bonus on top of it?
dark scroll
Well it is a bit of a gamble.
silver kestrel
Rarity on boons you already own only comes from, what, Eurydice and Demeter?
dark scroll
if you got 3 boons, good chance you get the one you want./
if you got 7 but only care about 1.
I often take the 3rd.
silver kestrel
Yeah always make the odds calculation when relevant
dark scroll
There no need to get upgraded dash rarity or so. ;p
silver kestrel
But it's not a bad choice sometimes
dark scroll
I once had 2 epic boons.
Then i got 2 heroic. ;p
Easy choice with only 2 available.
silver kestrel
Eurydice providing that high heat.
rose nexus
zag is such a himbo ssigh
silver kestrel
I like how Zag has that reckless childish side to him but is so genuine and understanding with others. Like, ||he gets mad at everyone for lying to him but immediately says he accepts their explanation (when they actually get around to giving it... Father!) and still tells them how grateful he is for all they do. Like how he treats Nyx is such good stepson stepmom relation.||
silver kestrel
||Probably something expressing his dissatisfaction with the expectations placed upon him working with his father that made her realize he had no direction in his eternal life at that point and had no intention of working with her in that capacity at least. She takes her job and the stability of the house very seriously and maybe wouldn't want to stay with someone who had no apparent interest in contributing at that time.||
twin tapir
I rarely get a good chaos boon. It seems like I just get commons with the occasional rare unless I have the trinket.
silver kestrel
||So good thing he decided to stay for now and got his first mom back and a cool new job I guess?||
If I get a bad chaos boon I still try to make it work since they're usually so powerful.
quaint hatch
There are no bad chaos boons
twin tapir
Same! I also enjoy talking to them(?) Not sure if chaos has a gender lol
twin tapir
It's quite possible I'm just bad lol ah okay. They are fun to talk to even if the gate costs HP.
Same! Plus the overall vibe of the area.
fathom mesa
hello!! :D
quaint hatch
Step-grandentity
fathom mesa
i'm new, joined bc i lost my full mind about hades
chaos is awesome! although im usually too wimpy to take any of their boons lolol
quaint hatch
Always chaos everytime
silver kestrel
I stumbled upon a chaos line for the first time yesterday because I had never re-rolled an exit from their realm before
took me by surprise hearing them comment
quaint hatch
Bruh why aren't you running persuasion
silver kestrel
I was farming?
Also can't you still get fated authority seals without the mirror if you have the contractor upgrade for picking up cthonic keys?
I might be crazy.
glass shell
yes
quaint hatch
Regular boon attack damage does
silver kestrel
Picking up a key when you are on the boons reroll mirror mode won't give you a room reroll huh? shame
quaint hatch
What
astral swift
It gives you a reroll depending on the mirror ye
quaint hatch
@silver kestrel If you have persuasion/authority you get according rerolls
astral swift
That way it doesn't nullify having a choice in the mirror
quaint hatch
If you haven't yet unlocked a reroll option but have the contractor upgrades the stones won't do anything for ya
glass shell
welcome to the club š
brisk trail
now for the ||heat || runs
dark scroll
I'd say no.
astral swift
Anything after the final boss is considered a spoiler
dark scroll
You can't really have a discussion channel if you can't talk about that.
silver kestrel
Oh okay, that's much better then.
glass shell
you can talk about it, just tag it as a spoiler
quaint hatch
i think ||heat|| is a spoiler
It's not on this channel
silver kestrel
Still wish there was a way to start with one but earn the other though
quaint hatch
In #h1-for-new-players it is
dark scroll
Nobody does that, just dont talk about final boss, 4th aspects and such
quaint hatch
Still wish there was a way to start with one but earn the other though
I think you're confusing something
dark scroll
DON'T TALK ABOUT ||BOULDY!||
brisk trail
ill spoiler it anyway
silver kestrel
But my bouldy boons!
quaint hatch
Yoz either have persuasion or authority as an option
brisk trail
hmm now i wanna try a bow run
quaint hatch
The rerolls are a general ressource for that
You can only use either authority or persuasion
astral swift
If I could reset my mind and go into this game fresh I would 
twin tapir
Bow can be a good time. It's a bit of a different style compared to the melee stuff.
silver kestrel
I'm not confused. I said I wished there was a way to get both by starting with your mirror option but somehow earning the other.
quaint hatch
That would be too much
silver kestrel
I understand you can't and that keys give you only the one you start with
brisk trail
Bow can be a good time. It's a bit of a different style compared to the melee st...
my first win was a charge spear 4th aspect build
quaint hatch
Well your formulations are throwing me off
sage depot
my first win was with shield lmao
brisk trail
is hera any good?
quaint hatch
Yes
silver kestrel
maybe an expensive pool item would work, ha
dark scroll
All bow aspects are solid.
quaint hatch
Even zag aspect
glass shell
chiron's is really good, it just needs some investment
brisk trail
but i kinda dont want to google it
quaint hatch
i need to figure out how to get the 4th aspects
There's a pinned comment in #h1-story-discussion
twin tapir
my first win was a charge spear 4th aspect build
NICE! Spear is one of my favorites along with the gun.
quaint hatch
What's a gun?
silver kestrel
My last run was chiron and it got crazy good on accident like all my bow runs since it seems I don't truly understand bow at all
quaint hatch
I only know rails
glass shell
chiron is crazy good
sage depot
Learning how to power shot consistently helps a lot
quaint hatch
Eh
silver kestrel
I'm adamant about not knowing what a gun is.
quaint hatch
Not on chiron, less so on hera and secret
Only on zag bow power shot is really important
sage depot
true
sage depot
Bull Rush squad <---
quaint hatch
Tell that to the guys who haven't played that
dark scroll
Yea thats a bit of a shame though, its more timing then skill.
twin tapir
Rail = gun.
quaint hatch
Well timing is skill
thorny stirrup
Luck is a skill, too
quaint hatch
There are no guns in the underworld
thorny stirrup
Gunderworld
dark scroll
well, you are not waiting for it to flash at least.
Cause you are too late already them.
then
quaint hatch
No I aren't
dark scroll
Press, wait a bit and you'll prob have it.
quaint hatch
Just gotta react and train the timing
silver kestrel
It was uh... chiron with the extra special projectiles hammer and Poseidon special with Demeter attack and uh.... Hermes special speed? Also somehow stumbled into Artemis cast with Poseidon duo bonus?
sage depot
pew pew pew
dark scroll
Well you don't react. It's just timing
I just don't like that as much. I still love the bow. ;p
brisk trail
you gotta release it as it flashes
like kinda before
but idk how to explain it
you just feel it
dark scroll
Sure but you don't watch for the flash. Its just timing.
silver kestrel
Had the Rupture thing and extra obstacles damage thing too, I'm pretty sure it helped a lot but couldn't see through all the damage numbers
brisk trail
yeah
quaint hatch
Depending on your reaction time
sage depot
yea it's a pretty precise window
twin tapir
There is no gun in Ba Sing Se
quaint hatch
Perfect catches trained me
silver kestrel
Just treat it like Monster Hunter greatsword timing but with Focus not the regular! Heh
sage depot
Well normal human. ;p
what is this "normal human" you speak of?
glass shell
perfect catches,,,, my #1 enemy
silver kestrel
My very first clear was with bow using rapid fire and double shot with a backstabby athena/aphrodite/artemis build and Nyx keepsake
I was like "I hate this bow" the entire time and was shocked.
sage depot
My first successful final boss kill was with Shield and I remember telling my wife when I was like two rooms into Elysium "man I hate this build"....and then beat it all lol
silver kestrel
Ha I realize now the feeling must be quite common
silver kestrel
I turn it off and on conextually but usually off because I hate how it chooses target priority most of the time
dark scroll
With spear its a must.
quaint hatch
I play every weapons as a melee weapon
The aggressive aim assist helps with that
It's inane in rail
brisk trail
can i ask about ||ambrosia|| here?
dark scroll
Spear made me turn it on.
silver kestrel
some builds it is just too good to not turn back on
quaint hatch
Yep
brisk trail
should i hoarde it or trade it for blood
silver kestrel
Hmmmmmm
dark scroll
You can trade some for blood in the beginning.
glass shell
i'd recommend keeping it
silver kestrel
I want to say blood but it depends on how you play and how quickly you unlock its main use
dark scroll
I traded a bunch.
silver kestrel
I kept the majority of it
dark scroll
You'll never be able to not get either in the end.
So don't worry about running out.
If you do or do not
quaint hatch
In the end you'll be getting more than enough if everything
brisk trail
ok so its just preference before i use it for what its used for
dark scroll
I prob did like 5-10 or so.
silver kestrel
If you have use for it already keep it and spend it. If you can't use it yet but want more blood, spend it. That's how I see it.
brisk trail
ok thats cool then
quaint hatch
I'm on 17 out of 21 bounties with all weapons and don't need them anymore
twin tapir
I use aim assist. Especially with ranged lol
winter harbor
I feel like I still don't understand bow that well but chiron bow is really powerful
And I got deadly reversal in tartarus
I forced artemis for deadly flourish but it was luck how athena gave me dash and attack shortly afterward
quaint hatch
Dio PS build is also p nice
winter harbor
I already got the really good athena boons in tartarus, don't really see the point of forcing her in asphodel
quaint hatch
I mean you'll want to force aphrodite either way
kind hinge
Well I bought hades
kind hinge
So Iām sure im about to find out, but what makes this game so special? Like, I have no doubt that itās good, but why is it causing a ton of hype rn?
winter harbor
great story, art, gameplay loop
even people who aren't usually into roguelites love it
flat vapor
perfect blend of storytelling and gameplay, uses the roguelite system to tell a coherent story in a way that not many people have done before
flat vapor
music is top notch, art is top notch, voice acting is top notch
winter harbor
yeah, i've played and enjoyed roguelites before, FTL and slay the spire, and they were lacking in story
Slay the spire has great card/relic synergies, tho, but I never won FTL, so I'm not entirely sure of synergies there
austere jasper
I canāt wait
you'll definitely love the game, this is my first roguelike and i fell in love with the game
kind hinge
Iāve played about 5 rougelikes before and the story has always been simple I canāt wait
rose nexus
i didnt even know what a rogue was
i saw zag getting out of the pool and that was the selling point for me
austere jacinth
Zagreus is the best selling point.
surreal heart
What's the latest on cross save with the Switch?
rose nexus
hades was named times #1 game of the year i'm-
austere jacinth
Well deserved imo
rose nexus
i gotta turn announcement notifs on for here bc i dont wanna miss any good news like that
flat vapor
you don't have to charge it all the way
quiet gull
Not all hammers are good
brisk trail
I never wanna see world splitter again
quaint hatch
Bruh explosive is pog
quiet gull
Maybe he wasnt dash-attacking?
Never dont dash-attack with bow
You never, ever, EVER want to regular attack with bow, unless specifically Flurry Shot is active
quaint hatch
Lot of people's problems with the bow seems to be the thinking that they always have to power shot
quiet gull
Get into the habit of dash attacking while moving away from enemies
The charge is MUCH faster and the damage penalty really isnt that bad
Athena Dash is training wheels. Sometime you gotta learn to beat the game without it š
brisk trail
doesn't mean I'm not gonna fish for it every time
quiet gull
Ehhh, I dont like explosive on Rama
The power shots on rama are worth a lot, and I dont like delaying those too much
brisk trail
after I get to 20 heat with sord I'll probably switch to bow to give myself extreme whiplash and instantly lose my streak
quiet gull
Jk it's 300% damage
Not worth the speed loss imo, even at mid-heat
quaint hatch
Also as I said, especially with explosie, you don't need to full charge to one shot most stuff
Worth it even at high heat
You even benefit from the +300 when not being at power shot
Trying to charge to much with Secret bow will get you killed
quiet gull
Trying to charge to much with Secret bow will get you killed
It will if you're running explosive shot, that's for sure!
quiet gull
I'll try it out next time I run into it
quaint hatch
With twin shot
quiet gull
tbf anything is great with rama twinshot
quaint hatch
But what you said about insane slowness holds true
You just need to resist greed xD
quaint hatch
tbf anything is great with rama twinshot
Agreed
Those are usually my two standard hammers if I'm running attack
Maybe chain shot
But I even like explosive alone
quaint hatch
Oh yeah that too xD
Well yes but with point blank you only get it within the distance, which you'll mostly be in ik, the damage from explosive always applies
Slowness is the trade-off
quaint hatch
As I said multiple times
You don't need to full charge and you can dash out of attack
I'd agree that on FO2/very high heats explosive shot prolly is too slow
But otherwise it just let's you one shot most stuff
Especially with twin shot
Which is more for getting armor and health in one go at that point
molten nymph
twin shot on secret bow is bad because the moment i get it my brain just turns off and decided that i can kill the boss before it can kill me
severe flare
In Hades, speed is life
Me too. Hermes and Daedalus boons are very useful if you choose the right ones.
bronze stump
wait what is the weekly hades challenge?
green maple
what even is it
bronze stump
what is the Hades Weekly Challenge?
bronze stump
I might try a shackle build soon
green maple
shackle build?
bronze stump
the keepsake
40%/60%/80% damage to special, cast, attack if it doesn't have a boon on it (like special inflicts hangover)
flat vapor
what is the Hades Weekly Challenge?
it was a weekly thing during early access but unfortunately now is indefinitely on break
you can look at what the challenges were here: https://www.hades-fansite.com/
but this is pre-1.0
bronze stump
damn
rapid forum
I think so? that's the only trap in asphodel
not a lot of peeps put point to heightened security
I don't
screw that
oooooh
flat vapor
it lowers magma damage and allows you to stand on magma for longer until it starts hurting you
rapid forum
Find it funny magma hurts since zagreus literally has flaming feets
molten nymph
theyāre just fancy christmas socks
shy tartan
asphodel lava is still really annoying
green maple
lmao
asphodel lava gets worse in some platforms
and theres always this damn trove
me a week ago: damn, fists are so hard
me now: why wont fates give me +20% darkness to the fist anymore lmao
sudden dock
Even on 80% defence, lava would still do minimum 1 dmg a tick. Very bad!
bronze stump
burnt to a fine crisp
broken marsh
wwwwwaaa
foggy isle
wish ares had a legendary boon that made curse stack but do less dmg
bronze stump
the boon that stacks doom with homing bow is powerful
green maple
what does aspect of hera really do
foggy isle
powers up your attack with your cast I think
bronze stump
spear with rapid jab is my jam
rapid forum
boomstick spear build
rapid jab is nice too
also the 3 dash strike hammer
but takes a while to adjust
winter harbor
Extended jab hammer
novel wasp
Z
rapid forum
Ez
novel wasp
Ze
chilly slate
zoos
rapid forum
Zeussu
north pier
I think I found a bug, my trippy shot is doing 87 TRILLION DAMAGE 
quiet gull
take a screenshot, for science
north pier
I have a bad habit of immediately closing the ||victory screen||
zenith pasture
i still miss one
hey, real quick can anyone tell me if, when i unequip hermes' feather, i still keep the dodge chance?
green maple
guys uh
brisk trail
also they don't keep increasing in the final area. I found that out the hard way lol
green maple
can you check #h1-victory-boasting and give me advice about the aphro build
and dont mind black out, underworld customs forced me to sell hangover
warped atlas
what is a good aspect for the shield?
brisk trail
chaos aspect is my favorite
green maple
i like zeus tho
brisk trail
cool
karmic cradle
good ole trickster