hmmm... i dont think that would happen
#h1-discussion
raven lava
not within the same run but across runs
stable kettle
Good boi gets first nectar pick, always
hardy vale
good luck!
hardy vale
Good boi gets first nectar pick, always
exactly
small bloom
If Hades wins game of the year, will we get a game of the year edition ?
dense surge
Congratulations for the nomination for GotY20! I've been preaching for months to everybody that Hades should be GotY! At least it is my personal one!
I would be so happy if that happens
carmine ravine
goty edition = big dlc????????/
floral hound
DLC or not the game deserves the GOTY award
small bloom
it's going to be Hades but everyone is reskinned to be norse mythologic gods
floral hound
it's going to be Hades but from Cerberus' point of view
small bloom
screen split threeway 🤔 so local multiplayer?
carmine ravine
its going to be hades but now its a shade simulator
stable kettle
to celebrate GOTY they could make a Cerberus plush to be sold in store and do a celebration giveaway for 3 players to get sent one for free
:^) and I will take one as payment for the awesome idea plz k thx
austere gazelle
GOTY let's goooo
onyx roost
Does anyone know if there are instrumental versions of the vocal songs in hades? I'm looking for lament of orpheus specifically
rancid ember
Boy was I glad when, with 43 HP and no DDs left, 1 chamber before champions, I ran into Patroclus
Also I just looked and OMG Cerberus plush would be awesome
fervent bane
So I'm wondering what the general consensus is here..
I've completed the games about 6 times now. First time I beat hades was a challenge.
I've done a couple of heat runs and it's a bit harder, but the overall experience feels kinda repetitive.
I get the boons I need, get strong, kill hades.
I'm not sure if I wanna grind out another 50 wins to unlock more story...
In binding of isaac there was new bosses and new items to unlock.
I really enjoy the game, but feel it needs something like an endless mode or dlc..
But then it's just a game right?
Feel like I should work in my hobbies!
real fossil
have u tried the em pacts?
they rework the bosses to give more of a challenge. not really "new" bosses but the experience can be somewhat different and rewarding for beating em
fervent bane
I've done level 1 I've heard good things about the other levels
So I'll give that a go for sure
Good suggestion
real fossil
yep elysium is fun and redacted is especially wild
also another suggestion maybe is to try and clear the game with each weapon aspect
quiet gull
I also recommend turning up EM up to three at least and seeing how you like it
crude onyx
You can also try speedrunning to see the fastest clear you can get
foggy otter
i got a chaos gate and a challenge gate in the same room
if i take the chaos will i still get the challenge in this part
near pendant
my friend turns up the heat way higher than they need when they find the game too easy/repetitive
And that improves the experience for them
rancid ember
I'm garbage at champion fight... from all DDs to dead before I got Theseus to 3/4
If I could just do a practice stage for them I'd probably be able to master them faster
robust scaffold
yea practice mode would be nice
rancid ember
Or if I wasn't so slow and could also focus through a run, could get more chances
hot surge
So I fought Theseus and Asterius for the first time
I got Asterius while still having full health, and then got Theseus down to halfway before getting killed because a pillar got in the way of my dash
remote forge
All those TGA noms, you love to see it
Also they're hard at first but once you get used to them they're not so bad
near pendant
i dont rly know how to fight against shields
remote forge
With Theseus at least after he throws or spins he just turns around and walks slowly
So just dodge and then counterattack
He's also vulnerable when he calls at the beginning of his second phase
near pendant
oh tru
radiant estuary
So if you have some sort of ability that can deal damage over time in an area (like Demeter's Call or Ares cast if you have Hunting Blades), you can fire it on top of him and let it deal damage while you focus on dodging
zealous fiber
Did Hades get GOTY already?
manic bobcat
It got nominated
zealous fiber
Where can I vote
manic bobcat
Google The Game Awards. It's like the first thing you see. Website is a bit laggy earlier though.
near pendant
basedbasedbassed
manic bobcat
Maybe too many people are voting. idk.
crude mirage
Not to start an argument or anything, but why is there so much hype for Hades?
Like what makes the game this good
I've played it
wet hornet
why not so much hype
zealous fiber
Lul look at that competition
wet hornet
LOL
zealous fiber
Hades is going to wipe the floor with those games
Ghost might be kinda scary though
wet hornet
nom is an honor regardless, i think
manic bobcat
Not to start an argument or anything, but why is there so much hype for Hades?
Can't speak for everyone. But it's a roguelike hack and slash with fluid control.
That's like 70% why I like it.
crude mirage
I've found the combat awkward, but I can understand that it might just be me
manic bobcat
SGG is also quite well-known with previous projects.
I've found the combat awkward
Interesting, to each their own, but it's the best combat I've had in years.
Although some default control scheme is questionable
Just like... rebind them? I did.
crude mirage
Hades seems to be soul knight but Amazing voice acting, more boring buffs, and no items? Even enemy spawning and floors work very similar.
near pendant
i would be happy if last of us 2 or new horizons won but im voting for hades, i think it's the best game i've played ever for me, since i love a good gameplay/story balance
coral prawn
Hades is going to wipe the floor with those games
I like hades and all but we animal crossing fans have waited 7 years for the newest one and it was worth it
so i gotta put my vote on that
remote forge
Hades is just insanely polished.
near pendant
and this does it rly well
remote forge
My only big critique is I wish there were more bosses.
near pendant
new horizons i got burnt out on rly quickly as much as i love the series
as soon as i could edit my island i was done
remote forge
But other than that the gameplay is good, story is good, gameplay/story synergy is good, voicing is good, music is good, ...
It hits on all cylinders
near pendant
as contradictory as it sounds i dont rly like having too much choice, especially in animal crossing
crude mirage
No1 is bothered by the sheer amount of meta progression?
remote forge
People say they want more choice but in practice people like having limited choices.
coral prawn
Otherwise i am going to vote for hades on everything
hmmm
maby i should vote hades best game aof the year though
manic bobcat
Hades seems to be soul knight but Amazing voice acting, more boring buffs, and n...
I approach it as a roguelite. In that aspect, it delivers. For me, it's as replayable as Isaac, minus the item bloats, silly physics, plus the better combat.
manic bobcat
I think Animal Crossing for GOTY
remote forge
I voted Hades for GOTY because 1) to stick it to the AAAs, 2) it is for me among those games
manic bobcat
I would say Hades win Indie games
coral prawn
if a small team can make such an amazing game
they deserve the win a bit more than a massive corperation
remote forge
Vote for the underdog :p
Plus the game is just honestly my GOTY in terms of how much enjoyment I got out of it.
It won't be everyone's but it was mine.
near pendant
i genuinely just prefer hades to all these games
remote forge
^
manic bobcat
Maybe Best Narrative also due to the unique combinations between roguelite and story telling? But TLOU2 though.
crude mirage
I approach it as a roguelite. In that aspect, it delivers. For me, it's as repla...
A rougelite is a rougelike but with more meta progression yes?
crude mirage
thanks
remote forge
Beyond what you learn and getting better
manic bobcat
yup
remote forge
But nothing in the game mechanics themselves
coral prawn
oh no i dont like "best indie game" because idk if i should choose carrion or hades
near pendant
i havent played the last of us 2 but i've watched some in depth analasyes, i think it could win for best narrative but i think juust for me personally i think i prefer the kind of approach hades takes to narrative storytelling, my one gripe with hades' storytelling is that there isn't enough of it
radiant estuary
TBH, even if I did play TLOU2, there's been enough of a firestorm surrounding it that I'd imagine I'd vote for something else anyways just to get away from it
coral prawn
aahahhahh best mobile game
i cant really vote for anything but among us here
remote forge
I love all of these characters
tiny grove
A true roguelike has essentially zero metaprogression
unless you speak to those purists who believe that a true roguelike has to have tiles and turn based movement and is a dungeon crawler
remote forge
Except Theseus
manic bobcat
I mean if Oscar bait is a thing, TLOU2 is the equivalence of that.
near pendant
Except Theseus
same lol
remote forge
@tiny grove I mean I would call that like a "true roguelike" or "classic roguelike" so I don't entirely disagree
But something like say FTL
No metaprogression... (some minor unlocks) but it's not a tile based dungeon crawler
crude mirage
unless you speak to those purists who believe that a true roguelike has to have ...
How many definitions do we have XD rougelike true rougelike rougelite...
remote forge
I would still say that's a roguelike loosely
manic bobcat
It's a spectrum.
remote forge
Brogue is a great example of a true true roguelike
Modernized but very much "like Rogue"
manic bobcat
There is one true rougelike game: Rogue.
near pendant
it would be funny if TLOU2 won best game of the year, i think
crude mirage
it would be funny if TLOU2 won best game of the year, i think
so many angry people...
remote forge
If Hades wins this server will get flooded by angry TLOU fans 💩
crude mirage
XD
tiny grove
No metaprogression... (some minor unlocks) but it's not a tile based dungeon cra...
I would consider FTL a roguelike but
manic bobcat
we take them on xD
tiny grove
I've been shouted down before for saying that
remote forge
Nah we welcome them and help them get into a great game
tiny grove
manic bobcat
FTL is a roguelike.
near pendant
FTL is absolutely a roguelike
remote forge
Yeah I consider FTL a roguelike
Whereas say Slay the Spire I do not
Though it has many elements
near pendant
tbf TLOU2 does look good and i want to play it but after speaking to some friends and watching videos about the game i genuinely dont know if i'd like it that much
manic bobcat
How about RoR2? I would say it's a Roguelite, even though it has unlockables just like FTL.
the degree of meta progression matters.
remote forge
FTL unlockables are more alternate modes than changes to the core game though
Like okay you can play as a different species or on a different ship
But there's not like particular in-game items you unlock each run. You just have to learn the events.
And get better at combat.
crude mirage
Meta progression has upgrades while FTL has sidegrades. Some worse, some better.
radiant estuary
tbf TLOU2 does look good and i want to play it but after speaking to some friend...
If you aren't sure on it, I'd say wait a little while for it to go on a big enough discount and pick it up then
remote forge
The roguelike discussion is at least mostly civil
Now the metroidvania discussion pulls out hair
crude mirage
lmao
remote forge
Recent metroidvania games: Bloodstained, Axiom Verge, Guacamelee, Ori
Most other games: not metroidvania
wintry cloak
Hades is gonna win!!!!
remote forge
"Dead Cells is a metroidvania" makes me want to pull my own teeth out every time someone trots it out
manic bobcat
Like Doom Eternal is most likely gonna get Best Action.
remote forge
NO IT IS NOT.
crude mirage
Now the metroidvania discussion _pulls out hair_
a metroidvania is a game with lots of rooms (even if its all looks like one room), and has backtracking. Done.
remote forge
That's not it, chief.
radiant estuary
Honestly though, does it seem like it'd be fair to compare the stuff about TLOU2 to what happened with that one Star Wars movie a few years ago in terms of sheer fire being thrown about?
zealous fiber
Don't even get me started on TLOU2
remote forge
Trying to come up with a set of hard rules (a checklist) isn't going to cut it.
radiant estuary
It's worse, isn't it
remote forge
Metroidvania games have a certain feel to them.
If you've played SM and SotN you'll know them when you play them. There's just a feel.
crude mirage
technically you can come up with rules to contain that feeling it would just be insanely complex
remote forge
Yeah. Like it's not just ability gating, traversal of an interconnected map, and backtracking
It has to be exploration focused as well
Should ideally have a mysterious vibe
Narrative/lore elements should mostly be passive or in the world itself
crude mirage
Can you give me a game though that has ability gating, traversal of an interconnected map, and backtracking, and is not a metroidvania?
remote forge
Zelda.
crude mirage
I never played Zelda so...
Or know anything about it
remote forge
Though it was a main inspiration for Symphony of the Night :p
Zelda is a huge influence on what became metroidvania
crude mirage
Can you, uh, please name a second game? That I hopefully know XD
manic bobcat
Well Pokemon Mystery Dungeon is a rougelite, apparently.
coral prawn
guys wouldnt it be funny if during the game awards hades wins every single catagory they are in and we just have the entire show like " the winner of ___ is hades " over and over
remote forge
It's more of a dungeon crawler descendent which is itself an offshoot of the same family tree
But yeah id call it a roguelite
crude mirage
pmd were the best pokemon games
remote forge
They were indeed good
crude mirage
I still haven't played them all...
zealous fiber
You're just describing Hollow Knight
manic bobcat
Surprisingly (or unsurprisingly), my friends who don't play Hades describes it as a Diablo game.
remote forge
Hollow Knight is absolutely a metroidvania
zealous fiber
I love Metroidvanias but they don't love me. It took me 2 days to beat the Radiance
remote forge
And a very pure one at that
coral prawn
carrion is a metroidvania in my opinion
theres combat, puzzles, backtracking, and secrets
crude mirage
I tried playing hollow knight right after playing Ori but I couldn't bc of the difference in movement and combat. HK was sooo slow XD
remote forge
It has the vibe down pat
near pendant
If you aren't sure on it, I'd say wait a little while for it to go on a big enou...
Hades is just league of legends but singleplayer
coral prawn
thats all the things that are in metroidvanias
remote forge
Few MVs capture the vibe of Super Metroid as well as Hollow Knight
manic bobcat
I'm just glad no one compared Hades to Dark Souls
near pendant
hades is just like dark souls
manic bobcat
😦
remote forge
Hades is a roguelike metroidvania soulsborne rhythm game
near pendant
yeah exactly
remote forge
Obviously
coral prawn
hades is darks souls if you max out the contract thingy 
radiant estuary
I was talking about TLOU with that one but OK
near pendant
I tried playing hollow knight right after playing Ori but I couldn't bc of the d...
yeah i absolutely get this
i know i accidentally responded to you lol
remote forge
Hollow Knight really constrains your movement a lot at first
manic bobcat
Hades is a terrible dating sim game. Good characters but few options.
remote forge
But you get a lot more mobility as you go.
manic bobcat
1/10
coral prawn
honestly i like hollow knight alot more than ori
near pendant
i think the main thing i want to get buffed genuinely are the dating dialogue options lol
remote forge
I love em both but for different reasons
coral prawn
hollow knight has more metroid vibes
remote forge
Ori is easy as hell even on Hard
coral prawn
and metroid is my favorite series
crude mirage
yeah i absolutely get this
Also the graphics XD
Like HK does not look bad Ori just looks really good.
near pendant
like i would just rly like it if there was more romance dialogue but maybe that's just me
manic bobcat
Like HK does not look bad Ori just looks really good.
This. There is a category with Hades and Ori on it.
I'm torn.
near pendant
Also the graphics XD
Like HK does not look bad Ori just looks really good.
yeah i get that too, i liked hollow knight a lot but replaying it recently the progression at first is agonisingly slow
coral prawn
Hollow knight has a lovely cute artstyle ok >:I
remote forge
Can you give me a game though that has ability gating, traversal of an interconn...
The Messenger
coral prawn
and it works really well
remote forge
Though it has metroidvania elements/influence for sure
It's close but not quite
Megaman ZX is in a similar boat
Both good games though
manic bobcat
Hades is hard. Megaman Zero series is another level of hard.
remote forge
I still have the Zero games on GBA
coral prawn
I want the game awards to have hades win in so many categorys that everybody gets sick of the game
remote forge
But I also bought the collection for Switch
manic bobcat
Although it's not a roguelite so you can learn through repetition
near pendant
I want the game awards to have hades win in so many categorys that everybody get...
agreed lol
remote forge
Then you have to get the weather right, win with a max rank, etc
near pendant
genuinely i just love hades so much
remote forge
Getting EX skills in MMZ is a huge pain in the derrière
crude mirage
So, uh, ik this convo has moved on, but can anybody tell me they see the obvious similarities between Hades and soul knight?
manic bobcat
genuinely i just love hades so much
You love Hades? Name every boon.
glossy spindle
LOL
remote forge
You love Hades? Name every House Contractor upgrade.
coral prawn
Id love to listen to the hades soundtrack but since i havent even gotten to the end of the game yet I know i will be spoiled of any amazing music and next i hear it, it wont have the same effect
as if i hear it the first time
remote forge
@coral prawn the theme for the boss at Extreme Measures 4 is insane
If you can't get that far listen to it anyways
coral prawn
actually i heard that one
glossy spindle
You love hades? What’s my favorite color
coral prawn
I cant get far at all
remote forge
Purple
coral prawn
but i bought it with diamonds ingame
manic bobcat
<@268886302743592960> the theme for the boss at Extreme Measures 4 is insane
||EM4|| is spoiler here 😄
crude mirage
Wait I can reply to my self??
manic bobcat
lul
crude mirage
carry on
remote forge
Guitarists: "how much shredding do you want?"
Supergiant: all of it
coral prawn
its probably the only type of its genre that I like
near pendant
oh yeah i was looking for more info on this but
what counts as a spoiler here
like
manic bobcat
it's pinned
remote forge
You can't mention the secret boss fight against the unicorn from the Disney Hercules movie
That's spoilers
coral prawn
so like I usually dont like that kind of music at ALL
but hades/supergiant did it so well for me that It may be one of my favorite songs
the EM 4 boss music
manic bobcat
Out of Tartarus is awesome.
near pendant
omfg
remote forge
And then once I leave the house I get to hear it again 
near pendant
i cant wait to fight against the boar from the 12 labours of hercules
remote forge
It's not the boar actually. You fight against the poop filled stable itself
coral prawn
EM 4 boss music just makes me hyped for some reason
remote forge
Random thought: Icarus shouldn't have had his wings melt and then crashed. He should have frozen into a solid block and then crashed.
coral prawn
btw can someone explain why dusa's name is dusa
i thought the mythilogical snake head lady thing that turns people into stones name was medusa, not dusa,
or is it like how thought the god of wars name was mars but it turns out that was the roman's name and not the greeks
near pendant
Random thought: Icarus shouldn't have had his wings melt and then crashed. He sh...
i had to think about that for a second
remote forge
It's just cause she's cute
manic bobcat
It's Maid Dusa.
remote forge
WAIT
coral prawn
HOLY SH-
remote forge
HOW DID I NOT GET THAT
coral prawn
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
manic bobcat
manic bobcat
Just head canon it.
near pendant
@ supergiant pls confirm
remote forge
Online SGG employees laughing at us for just figuring this out now
manic bobcat
I also think that's the inspiration.
remote forge
To be clear I don't think there's any reason to believe she is "The" Medusa
But god that pun...
coral prawn
its not 'med-usa' in hades
its 'méd-usa'
remote forge
But all gorgons are decapitated in this game
manic bobcat
it's rude to discuss a gorgon's decapitation guys
coral prawn
lmao
remote forge
What does the underside of her head (where the neck would be) even look like?
How is it just rounded?
remote forge
Fridge Horror: Dusa was hired because if anyone breaks a statue she can just make more.
coral prawn
oops tried to copy pic link
manic bobcat
I think it's rounded.
coral prawn
looked it up but yeah
the name "dusa" never existed anywhere
so its litterally just a play on the name medusa
manic bobcat
Well gamepedia is also fan operated, no?
coral prawn
well
stone pebble
Yeah then its just a silly joke
manic bobcat
someone asks that the next time SGG has live QA
coral prawn
if theres no info about any other snake head ladys that turn people to stone with the name "dusa" then its either the info above or a nickname
random fable
Anyone know when the switch is getting a new update with balances?
stone pebble
Are there any other notable gorgons besides Medusa?
manic bobcat
Per quick google, Echidna and Typhon
coral prawn
like i know the greeks and romans have simillar gods/myths but with different names such as
posidion>neptune
ares>mars
but theres nothing about anyone named "dusa"
manic bobcat
quite obscure ngl
stone pebble
Dusas just Dusa
near pendant
echidna is a gorgon? what how
that
's the name of an animal
were echidnas named after a gorgon?
or is that just a coincidence
manic bobcat
echidna in greek means vipers, apparently
while medusa means... guardian???
but Lucifer is technically Light bringer so who am I to judge
also Echidna is the mother of Cerberus
this rabbit hole is getting too deep xD
stone pebble
whasaaaaaaat
coral prawn
also I kinda like how our planets are named after roman/greek gods
Mercury - god of travel (roman)
Venus - god of love (roman)
mars - god of war (roman)
jupiter - "king of the roman gods" (roman)
saturn - god of agriculture (roman)
Uranus - "ancient greek king of gods" (greek)
Neptune - god of the sea (roman)
and if you count pluto, Pluto is the name of the greek god of the underworld
imagine if the game hades was based off of roman gods instead
wow my favorite game is pluto
stone pebble
manic bobcat
Uranus - "ancient greek king of gods"
Interesting.
coral prawn
its what it said on google
coral prawn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/674303883669012523/778808019714048010/unknown.png
heres the first page on google when specifically looking up uranus
soooo
i got no clue
i heard osmewhere uranus was the god of the sky?
idk tho
manic bobcat
Dang, I didn't know Uranus was that impactful.
coral prawn
Ok yeah scrolling down looking at the wiki
uranus is also known as "father sky"
I mean uranus is a bright blue color
looks like the color of the sky
neptune is a deep blue, like water
our planets match their names to an extent
manic bobcat
I mean uranus is a bright blue color
Check with a doctor if that's the case tbh.
coral prawn
ok shut up
manic bobcat
lol
coral prawn
i pronounce it "oou-ran-os"
manic bobcat
I was joking. You are good 😄
coral prawn
uranus's pronounciation as originally intended was supposted to be like saying "ouranos"
'oo-ra-noss'
but it got.... corrupted... throughout the years through the english language
stone pebble
it is what it is
coral prawn
it ezzz wat it ezz
manic bobcat
Hard to beat middle school humor. Sorry that I perpetuated it.
coral prawn
would you rather uranus be named georgium
that was going to be its first name
its nickname could have been george
;_:
i want george the planet
its second name considered i think was of the name of who discovered the planet, herschel.
William herschel
manic bobcat
America is "discovered" by Columbus, named after Amerigo Vespucci. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
coral prawn
WE COULD HAVE HAD A PLANET
NAMED
GEORGE
GODDAMNIT
SCREW YOU GREEK MYTHOLOGY
(kidding ofc)
stone pebble
What did greek mythology do .w.
coral prawn
they created uranus
the god of the sky
and we could have had a planet named george
but nooooooo
;(
stone pebble
isnt that zeus tho
quiet gull
No
manic bobcat
disregard
narrow hemlock
opens mouth. closes mouth.
coral prawn
manic bobcat
RIP KyD
stone pebble
narrow hemlock
i never did find out what the link cooldown is to keep the bot from going 
at you
stone pebble
yeaaah
manic bobcat
Proxy rules with an iron hand.
manic bobcat
Yes, Proxy, this comment right here
narrow hemlock
rancid ember
Ouranos was a primordial god, which came before the Olympians (before the titans? I'm not ultra-familiar with some of the details)
coral prawn
ok im sorry now im doing the 2 grader jokes
hexed tiger
When will I be mature enough to read that without giggling
coral prawn
when you learn the original pronounciation
manic bobcat
As long as humanity endures.
coral prawn
aka uranus was supposed to be pronounced ouranos in their greek accent aswell (whatever taht accent may sound like)
oo-ra-noss
i guess U sounded more like OO in greek
viscid snow
When are we getting Dolos in game?
coral prawn
whos dolos
manic bobcat
who?
limber leaf
I want to ask something about the something in the store, there is one missing music piece that I cannot buy. Anyone know hoe to unlock it?
stone pebble
wh
viscid snow
God of Deception.
limber leaf
It is the one below final expense (payback remix) and up on tje lament of orpheus
viscid snow
Would be cool to have something about invisibility.
stone pebble
oho
manic bobcat
You are better off using the contact information in the store I think.
stone pebble
How far have you gotten into the game?
coral prawn
@limber leaf have you fought ||hades|| with the uhh i forgot the contract thingy that gives bosses a little extra to em
if no then maby that??? idk man
narrow hemlock
You are better off using the contact information in the store I think.
p sure they mean the music stand ingame
manic bobcat
man, I'm on a roll with stupid questions and replies today huh
coral prawn
epic
narrow hemlock
jdkfhgdhj oh foxy
rose nexus
limber leaf
if no then maby that??? idk man
@coral prawn hmmm I did clear it with high diff, :/ i will try google first,
Thanks
coral prawn
nono
you uhh
you can lose
like
instantly
just like me
and you still get it
quiet gull
You need to turn on ||EM4||
coral prawn
thats what i mean yeah
quiet gull
And get to the final boss
quiet gull
And then you have to ||survive until his third phase||
coral prawn
yeah
stone pebble
Very spooky
coral prawn
im litterally listening to it rn
cause i bought the soundtrack when i bought the game on steam
stone pebble
Is it any different from the other phases? or is it just a ||darker screen||
coral prawn
after this ima go get som cereal :0
quiet gull
Is it any different from the other phases? or is it just a ||darker screen||
Oh, you'll find out
stone pebble
I have
coral prawn
wats yalls favorite cereallsss
limber leaf
Oh wiki has the information. Thank you
stone pebble
HadeOs
coral prawn
goddamnit
tough pivot
Game of the Year, VOTE.
stone pebble
GotY for me
dunno about other people
It did get nominated tho
for a lot of categories at that
manic bobcat
Game of the Year, VOTE.
The award is decided 90% by a panel, your votes count for the rest 10%.
But still, vote for fun.
winter harbor
Only TLOU2 was nominated for more categories, I think
manic bobcat
If TLOU2 wins, many a angery gamers.
winter harbor
I haven’t played it but I heard the plot’s a little contrived
tough pivot
The award is decided 90% by a panel, your votes count for the rest 10%.
Like the electoral college all over again. 
coral prawn
Reminder to vote hades in every possible category if you agree or not, we want the announcer to say hades so many times that everybody will get overly sick of it
:)
stone pebble
ehhh
stone pebble
Its probably not gonna make much of a difference
coral prawn
THATS THE MINDSET EVERYONE HAS
WHY DO YOU THINK THE POLUTION PROBLEM AINT BEING FIXED
"ohh this single straw wont make much a difference" - 2 billion people
manic bobcat
Better way to do this is to kidnap/blackmail the panelists.
coral prawn
true.
narrow hemlock
pollution problem isnt comparable, and corporations contribute to more of the issue in that even if every individual in the world were more green, it wouldnt really make a dent.
anyway i will be interested in seeing how winners come out
narrow hemlock
not if you dont get the corporations to change no. its unfortunately naïve thinking
narrow hemlock
you are fundamentally underestimating the problem and this belongs more in general
manic bobcat
Big Corps: releases metric butt tons of pollutants to the environment.
Also Big Corps: ArE YoU cOnseRvIng EnerGY?
coral prawn
its an example of the mindset
narrow hemlock
anyway moving on
coral prawn
if you think that doing one small thing wont be a difference, theres many many more out there that think the same, and if all those people did the opposite it would all add up
and there WOULD be a difference
narrow hemlock
can we please drop it
coral prawn
can you please try to understand what im saying before being all pissy about saying yEaH bUt CopErAtiOnS HAhWhwAe
stone pebble
So uh, Zagreus is hot am I right?
coral prawn
they probably catch fire or melt
stone pebble
if they do, do the shoes just burn up
winter harbor
He’s fire resistant, not fire proof
coral prawn
lol
viscid snow
Imagine needing shoes when you can have fire shoes.
coral prawn
tell that to the lego peice the split second you step on it and it doesnt melt fast enough
or tell that to a painful rock
rancid ember
omg I just got Poseidon's +20% fishing hole chance per chamber for the first time. He just... up and gave it to me at the beginning of my run
YES
narrow hemlock
thats a scripted event
winter harbor
I had the fishing rod for a long time before I got the Poseidon fishing event
He acts like he’s doing you such a huge favor, only for him to give you that
rancid ember
but you can get it as a legendary boon normally if you have his keepsake equipped or have Ocean's Bounty and Sunken Treasure (or maybe having the keepsake still requires Ocean's Bounty, it's ambiguous)
narrow hemlock
you need either both boons, or one of those boons + the keepsake
the keepsake takes the spot of a boon
rancid ember
I mean idk it seems like a pretty big favor xD Unless you no longer have need for fish
Aah, oki
narrow hemlock
makes it a little easier to meet the requirements since you only have to equip the conch and track down one boon rather than two
rancid ember
Equipping the conch also makes it easier to track down that boon lol
quiet gull
I'm pretty sure conch works as the ONLY requirement, not simply a replacement for one of the boons?
narrow hemlock
nope
i asked amir when they changed it
you still need two. either two boons or conch+boon
there was a bit of confusion about it when the update dropped but the conch does not replace the two boons as a requirement, it only takes the place for one
floral hound
When was this change btw, fairly recent I believe?
manic bobcat
Huge Catch got a buff?
restive raptor
So whos your favorite Voice actor? Personally love andrew (Hermes and Sisyphus)
manic bobcat
Logan Cunningham as.. the Narrator in Bastion
floral hound
All of them honestly
coral prawn
waiwaiwait hermes and sisyphus have the same voice actor?
narrow hemlock
When was this change btw, fairly recent I believe?
uhh 13 oct
floral hound
Skelly and Zagreus do as well.
floral hound
Hmm
coral prawn
thats gotta be a lie
manic bobcat
Hi new Im fox
floral hound
Judging by what you posted
coral prawn
i do not believe you leaf
restive raptor
All of them honestly
Yep, tho im biased cause i like his hermes so much :p
outer pecan
I am thinking about buying the game and I wanted to know. Is this game generated randomly?
Like the levels and such
floral hound
You shouldn't be able to meet the conditions for Huge Catch on your room 1 boon
coral prawn
@outer pecan Yes.
outer pecan
Oh ok
coral prawn
its a roguelike
manic bobcat
Have you played any roguelites before?
outer pecan
Not much
coral prawn
like the binding of issac is a popular example
outer pecan
Yeah
narrow hemlock
You shouldn't be able to meet the conditions for Huge Catch on your room 1 boon
its a scripted event that happens once. the game will force you into the boon in the first chamber
outer pecan
I really like rouguelikes
manic bobcat
If you play Isaac, it's the same thing. With enough runs you will regcognize chambers.
floral hound
Makes sense then
outer pecan
And i am new and searching good games to play
winter harbor
There are different minibosses though
stone pebble
Well, you cant return to the same room
outer pecan
Oh nice
winter harbor
And after you beat the bosses of each biome enough times, they get variations
manic bobcat
Have you played Bastion also?
coral prawn
yes
pliant sparrow
not really
coral prawn
in a way
outer pecan
Ok
coral prawn
sorta?
manic bobcat
Yes. They are called boons.
coral prawn
idk
winter harbor
Like passive bonuses?
outer pecan
Yeah
coral prawn
they have multiple weapons too
winter harbor
Yeah, like keepsakes
coral prawn
and different variations of said weapons
restive raptor
You will see the same layout as you play over and over again, but the enemies, rewards, and "chests" in random places on that map
outer pecan
Oh ok
floral hound
thats gotta be a lie
outer pecan
You will see the same layout as you play over and over again, but the enemies, rewards, and "chests" in random places on that map
@restive raptor oh ok ty
rancid ember
What happens if you get a pom and you have nothing to upgrade? Apparently that's possible because a pom was offered to me and my only boons are legendary fishing boon and a chaos boon. I went with the other chamber reward though lol
coral prawn
6 weapons, 4 variations.
so 6 times 4 is 24
outer pecan
Then I will buy it now lol
pliant sparrow
honestly i didnt really like roguelike games then i got hades
coral prawn
yeah i reccomend
coral prawn
not only is the game fun
outer pecan
And seems great
coral prawn
but it has good humor
pliant sparrow
like regardless of any genre the game is super fun and polished
manic bobcat
Then I will buy it now lol
If on Steam you can refund before the 2 hours mark.
coral prawn
and is funny
pliant sparrow
plus got nominated for goty
outer pecan
Yeah ok
manic bobcat
Not that I condone abusing that.
outer pecan
Lol
manic bobcat
But it's something to keep in mind.
outer pecan
Welp
winter harbor
You get money for a Pom with no upgradeable boons
coral prawn
i doubt youd not play more than 10 damn hours in your first time booting up the game
outer pecan
I am buying it then
outer pecan
Its ok
manic bobcat
The cheapest it has been is $20 right?
narrow hemlock
yes
outer pecan
I think
pliant sparrow
yah
rancid ember
It's a very very good game tbh. I haven't won a run yet but I've gotta say it's easily one of my favorite games ever already, especially with some of the things I've heard but not experienced
floral hound
I've managed to shill quite a few people into buying the game and every single one loved it.
winter harbor
More plot compared to other roguelites
narrow hemlock
well, it was cheaper on epic before but on steam the lowest has been 20
coral prawn
waaaaaaaaaaay more plot
outer pecan
Yeah i mean binding of isaac is my favourite game
manic bobcat
I mean you are asking in the game discord, so the answers are expected.
floral hound
Both roguelike veterans and people who are new to the genre
outer pecan
So i am looking similar games
rancid ember
The fact that the protagonist is ||bisexual and open to polyamory|| is already a huge plus to the game tbh
winter harbor
My only other roguelites were FTL and Slay the Spire
restive raptor
Tbh i didnt like rougelikes before hades, but its ao well cratfted i fell in love lol.
winter harbor
Slay the spire has basically nonexistent plot but the synergies are really good
manic bobcat
FTL is fun. Didn't beat it once for like 2 years, played intermittently. Then I beat it once and the flood gate was open.
outer pecan
I listened to the ost of this game and i loved it
winter harbor
Yeah, I’ve still never won FTL
floral hound
OST is probably the only thing that didn't resonate with me.
manic bobcat
I probably wouldn't, also. But I had a bet with my friend to see who can beat it first...
narrow hemlock
hades is kinda like a roguelike for people not super into roguelikes. which i mostly say because hades has such a strong emphasis on story and characters, which is not a thing most games of the genre really focus on, but is something that keeps people engaged with the game even if they were hesitant because of the genre
manic bobcat
(I lost xD)
rancid ember
Same, Leaf. I haven't noticed much in the OST that really appeals a lot, though the lyric tracks seem decent
winter harbor
Yeah, I haven’t really done action roguelites before hades
rancid ember
Good Riddance is definitely pretty good
winter harbor
FTL at least lets you pause it for your decisions
floral hound
But general BGM just didn't feel that memorable to me
manic bobcat
How about this, what's the worst thing about Hades?
floral hound
but that's just my opinion
coral prawn
have you heard ||in the blood|| or ||the unseen ones || yet
floral hound
Honestly, no clue
manic bobcat
To me, that's the boon menu. It's kinda confusing, ngl.
viscid snow
Flame chomper things in Elysium by far.
coral prawn
@manic bobcat the fact that aphrodite doesnt wear clothing
winter harbor
The poison in the last area
narrow hemlock
the soundtrack is more dynamic to fit in with the action as you progress through your run, which i feel is appropriate. in previous supergiant games, the soundtrack carried a lot of the emotional burden, so they made a bigger impact in general. hades doesnt have to rely as heavily on the soundtrack because its a lot deeper in narrative/characterization
manic bobcat
How is that worst?
winter harbor
You lose like so much health trying to get to an antidote fountain
floral hound
Worst thing about Hades is probably the ||Spear Aspects. ||
rancid ember
I feel like the worst thing to me is the lack of practice mode for the bosses (specifically some of the midbosses, champions, final boss). But most games don't have anything like that so that's not that much a minus lol
floral hound
That poison too though...
winter harbor
Aphrodite isn’t the goddess of beautiful clothing
floral hound
I can see the appeal of practice mode but
It kind of defeats the purpose of the game
manic bobcat
I feel like the worst thing to me is the lack of practice mode for the bosses
There are work arounds. You can set up save files to practice a particular boss.
But like I said, a work around.
rancid ember
Honestly from my impression of her in this game Aphrodite seems more like the creepy goddess of predatory lust than the goddess of love
She rubs me the wrong way
coral prawn
^
floral hound
Idk
manic bobcat
That's why Artemis best girl.
narrow hemlock
you should read more into aphrodite's myths lol
floral hound
Took me about 90 ish escape attempts to even notice she's naked in her portrait
Never paid much attention to her
narrow hemlock
i feel like people see goddess of love and expect a loving caring persona but aphrodite was. not really that
restive raptor
To be fair did you expect love to be kind? Love is one of the most destructive forces :p
winter harbor
I think she got all angry when she wasn’t called the most beautiful by somebody
stone pebble
You should read aphros codex entry
winter harbor
Yeah, that’s why I always pick Aphrodite in the trials
Those charm arrows stun you for so long and track
I didn’t pick her one time, never again
Sorry Artemis, you’re just easier to dodge
narrow hemlock
To be fair did you expect love to be kind? Love is one of the most destructive f...
aphrodite areia 🤧
restive raptor
Tbh Artemis arrows that fire when you use an ability are pretty good one of my fav abilities for her
stone pebble
Aphro cant really make fall people in love I dont think
She just kills everyone who rejects love
narrow hemlock
:)
aphrodite is very petty
i mean most olympians were
but she certainly had a special brand of it
winter harbor
Aphrodite is the biggest shipper
stone pebble
uh huh
rancid ember
Every Olympian who shows up in this game at least is petty af
"you accepted help from someone else? NOW DIE!"
stone pebble
They just get somewhat offended
narrow hemlock
their mood is fickle
winter harbor
Oh yeah, they’re supposedly here to help you escape from the underworld but turn on you the instant you don’t pick them
stone pebble
Because as Hades says, ||We're gods, boy, killing eachother is what we do||
manic bobcat
"you accepted help from someone else? NOW DIE!"
no no, it's because you accept someone else' help BEFORE theirs.
narrow hemlock
i do like when arty outright says shes giving you a pity boon though
stone pebble
or something like that
manic bobcat
that's the petty part
restive raptor
Every Olympian who shows up in this game at least is petty af
And this is diffrent when from the myths how lol, if they were any more accurate they would screw you over a lot more.
narrow hemlock
that would be awkward with how close zag is with achilles lol
rancid ember
And this is diffrent when from the myths how lol, if they were any more accurate...
I didnt' say it was different from the myths xD
manic bobcat
what's the deal with apollo? why do so many people want him?
winter harbor
I can see the lack of Hera, since making boons themed around marriage would be difficult
narrow hemlock
hes one of the most popular olympians in general
winter harbor
His sister Artemis is in the game already
And lack of Hestia is reasonably justified too, since I don’t think she tended to involve herself in family drama
restive raptor
Tbh a lot of it prob has to do with camphalf blood books as hes a fan favorite thier.
stone pebble
They just put the most recognized gods I think, the ones that make you go, "Oh, thats that one god from greek mythology"
restive raptor
Hestia may not be because shes not one of the 12 Olympians in thier mythos
narrow hemlock
im sure apollo was someone they considered early on, they had to have.
restive raptor
Or the fact that apollo and hestia may not have good combat possibilities.
manic bobcat
was apollo involved in the Theseus myth?
restive raptor
(Or at least not easily translated to combat)
manic bobcat
They said the original inspiration was a Theseus game where he tries to escape the labyrinth.
But the game quickly expanded beyond that.
rancid ember
In other news- Man, getting lesser fish like the Hellfish is so much more bearable when you have a >20% chance of getting a fishing spot every chamber
floral hound
Think I'm still missing some Chaos fish
winter harbor
Apollo is the god of so many things
restive raptor
I lost my first fish in choas, still havent gotten another TT
manic bobcat
Think I'm still missing some Chaos fish
I'm 322 hours in per Steam. I saw 2 Chaos fishes, caught one, miss the other one as I walked through the door.
Admittedly I didn't go out of my way to look for fishes, still...
agile cargo
hi so like.... nyx wants me to help her fix the sigil thing that allows her to ||reunite with chaos||
i checked the wiki and i have enough darkness for it but dont know where to go from there, the sigil doesnt give me any prompt nor does the contractor have anything new
narrow hemlock
do another run probably
agile cargo
heck
narrow hemlock
i dont remember the exact chain of events but sometimes you need to do another run to get certain things to pop up at the house, its not gonna come up immediately
like from the moment you're told i mean
agile cargo
kk
hot surge
How do you apply Weapon Aspects, btw? Or do you have to do a run after getting all the weapons to
narrow hemlock
if it doesnt pop up after that ask again and we'll try and figure out what you're missing
hot surge
I already have three
restive raptor
Click on the weapon you have already selected
I dont remember if you need to defeat the ||final boss|| or not
manic bobcat
you don't
narrow hemlock
think its just getting all weps now isnt it
one of these days i really need to start a new file
manic bobcat
yup. did start a new file. can confirm. just need all weapons unlocked + 1 extra run.
restive raptor
Yea according to wiki that plus having at least one ||titans blood|| will unlock them
narrow hemlock
im not gonna check myself but i feel like that should probably be correct bc i know stuff regarding aspects was being verified as of late 
opaque nexus
Does anyone have that screenshot of the person who got the highest single hit damage with stacking trap damage keepsakes and using the axe in ||Styx||
north pier
Is there any significance to the ||number of darkness required for "eldest sigil restoration" being 3142?|| Or is it generated based on something I've done
opaque nexus
Not sure
north pier
It seems QUITE the peculiar number
opaque nexus
Maybe ask #h1-story-discussion
narrow hemlock
it used to be 8888
we never figured out any significance to that either, it may just be a random number. if theres anything specific about it i dont think anyone but the devs know
north pier
||when i google it, the word "marturion" keeps popping up but I don't really think that has anything to do with it?||
flat vapor
3142 is much less aesthetic than 8888 was 😔
narrow hemlock
this is true 
opaque nexus
Onyx
north pier
Yeah but it takes like 40 runs to grind out 8k
narrow hemlock
not really
north pier
well, virtually
opaque nexus
Do you happen to have a screenshot someone posted here of doing like 100k damage to enemies by stacking trap damage keepsakes
narrow hemlock
you can grind that out in just a couple runs if you optimize your darkness farming setup
opaque nexus
Wait I found it
north pier
darkness farming how
opaque nexus
Hold on
narrow hemlock
not literally a couple runs but its very much doable in far less than 40 runs lol
north pier
i was hyperbolic in saying 40 but more like 8-15 runs for sure
if you're going for darkness
north pier
no way can you grab 8k from less than 8 runs, no way no way no way
narrow hemlock
chaos boons help a lot for darkness farming
manic bobcat
chaos boons, dark thirst, poseidon boons
north pier
poseidon boons are good for say 100 a pop, no?
or is it bosted by chaos
dark thirst is presumed yeah
sisyphus about 50 a pop
opaque nexus
I recently reached 10k gems with nothing to spend them on
north pier
20x 6 if you're rerolling for room rewards
opaque nexus
All I need is to grind bounties for blood and ambrosia
north pier
can't you turn the gems into titan blood
if you take them all the way
throught the broker
inner thicket
So, i pretty much beat the game and just a quick mini review but my biggest criticism is prob just at a certain point you aren't getting stronger and all you're doing is making the game harder just to progress story, which is pretty boring imo. The game/grind lasted too long, despite it's replayability imo
north pier
yeah making the game harder is the point after a while, if you don't like incremental challenge then the ultra late game is probably gonna be boring for you 
the gameplay itself is solid enough to where I don't get bored of the higher heat challenges
I think the biggest criticism lies in the enemy variety and boss variety, although the enemies are probably more important since they make up about 95% of the game
winter harbor
Bosses have decent variety
north pier
There are a billion ways to customize difficulty, a billion weapons, a billion dialogues, but there are about 5 enemies per zone you have to learn
winter harbor
Only last boss doesn’t really have any variants
pliant sparrow
doesnt it ||add a final phase?||
north pier
yes
manic bobcat
at a certain point you aren't getting stronger and all you're doing is making the game harder just to progress story
But the base difficulty doesn't stop the story progression? You can just do 0 heat and almost always win due to how OP the mirror/aspects/keepsakes/companions are?
north pier
it's just ||a second phase 2 though, with miniboss spawn||
rancid ember
Damn, 10 keys in one trip!
But only 20 gems...
I wish I'd at least made it through Elysium to get some nectar lol
(fishing boon)
north pier
ah keys, how important you once t'were
north pier
Sure they are 
pliant sparrow
does anyone else dash into the exchange booth to exchange? lool
its funny to see the exchange person's reaction every time
north pier
ofc
winter harbor
You’ll probably run out of uses for keys first, then nectar
radiant estuary
Though nectar probably won't be for a while depending on how often you give it out
north pier
well it probably goes keys<darkness<nectar<gems<ambrosia<diamond<titan blood
radiant estuary
Inversely, you can probably give away any ambrosia you get early on because you probably won't get to the point where you'll be able to start spending it for a while
north pier
if you don't count ||themes||
winter harbor
I’m still using darkness to max out both mirror sides
radiant estuary
For titan blood
winter harbor
So I don’t have to use a key to reset it every time I want to switch sides
Which sides do you guys like to use for the mirror btw?
north pier
I only swap sides for 2 of them
winter harbor
I liked deep pockets at first, but now I like golden touch because I don’t spend a lot of obols in the first two biomes
north pier
|| https://i.imgur.com/wBhIhhj.png ||this is what i'm running
rancid ember
My default is all red besides Family Favorite and Favored Persuasion (but tbh I'm ambivalent between that last and Authority. I haven't invested into either yet though)
Also I may put some into Gods' Legacy for at least some of the time a bit later
pliant sparrow
whats the ideal mirror for eris zeus speedrunning?
north pier
I really like getting tons of duos
delicate pilot
I like to use
||Shadow Presence. Dark Regen. Death Defiance. Greater Reflex. Abysall Blood. Stygian soul. Golden touch. Thick skin. Family Favorite. Olypian Favor. God's Legacy and fated persuasion||
baker i gotta ask
delicate pilot
why do you prefer Cthonic regen over Dark regen
rancid ember
I should probably invest into Legacy soon and try to build to fulfill all the boon prophecies for rewards
north pier
I did some math and figured that most of the time, I need reliable regen over situational regen
also
at styx, I get +2 hp every time I go to another room
so i regen a ton
rancid ember
+3, you mean?
manic bobcat
I like Dark Regen because it allows shops to have more healing items.
+2
hell mode
rancid ember
Oh
north pier
the reason I stick with CV is largely because of styx. And I'm on hell mode so i get +2 yeah
styx you just get mega heals, and I found that I'm typically wanting for heals there
and you never get any darkness there
so i figured it would be better to take CV for the win
winter harbor
I think dark regen is good when you’re farming darkness from bosses
But I like the reliable healing of cthonic vitality more
north pier
CV just seems a bit more helpful for my playstyle
restive raptor
does anyone else dash into the exchange booth to exchange? lool
Little late to reply but you can dash into the brokers booth? Ive been doing this all wrong the whole time!
agile cargo
starting to think orpheus and eurydice ||singing in the blood in asphodel|| is supposed to kill your speedruns
north pier
oh my gosh you totally CAN dash into the broker's stall.
150 hrs reporting in, still finding new stuff
pliant sparrow
U dash just above him or to the left of him
Or just spam dash til u find location
north pier
oh by the way, this game is up for literally every single possible nomination in "The Game Awards" so everyone go vote for it here https://thegameawards.com/
bleak crag
Hey I noticed that in twitter, people in japan hasn't heard of hades lol
Like one of the artist post a tweets where he legit doesn't know about hades, and only knowing it because of the GOTY nominees
north pier
Japan isn't exactly a priority for many devs, hate to say it
highly stratified userbase
iirc
north pier
Japanese consumers are notoriously hard to reach for whatever reason
north pier
As in some are fans of x game, some of y, and neither are fans of x and y
bleak crag
So I guess they can't played it because of the language too?
north pier
so stratified
bleak crag
Oh i see..
north pier
and considering much of the world speaks english, and very little speaks japanese, it's even harder to localize to cater to the fraction of a fraction of people
so yeah
the big money is in catering to the china crowd
which genshin did already
bleak crag
Any future plans from sg too localized though?
bleak crag
🙏
north pier
already localized all the text for many eastern countries
but the audio might never get done
just too much
north pier
localization stalled obra-dinn for over a year, it's absolutely the hardest part of releasing a game
releasing in english is just too solid of a bet right now, eventually chinese will either tie or overtake that bet
bleak crag
I never knew about any of this 
north pier
the ars technica videos are so good
bleak crag
I only watched the thief videos haha
bleak crag
Gimme
warped atlas
Does aspect of eris work with things like cluster bomb or rocket bomb?
north pier
Not sure about that, but I know each form has its own set of daedalus upgrades that work for it