Yes, Alegz, assuming that you meet prerequisites.
#h1-discussion
crisp zodiac
dark scroll
See ingame boonlist.
green sonnet
Trump is busy contesting the results tho
glass shell
i was confused because you cant get their duos in the trial room so i didnt know if they would still be mad at eachother or not
green sonnet
I don't think he has time to play the GoTY
astral swift
See ingame boonlist.
I read that as booklet and freaked out
dark scroll
His lawyers are yes.
crisp zodiac
You can't obtain duo boons from Trials of the Gods. Trials of the Gods can give you boons that are prerequisites to duo boons.
crisp zodiac
Can we not attempt to get political, here?
dark scroll
We're talking about garbage. ;p
green sonnet
A few one-off jokes about Trump playing Hades isn't really political but I see how it could steer in that direction so sure.
crisp zodiac
Sounds more to me like you're just talking garbage.
dark scroll
Yawn. Moving on.
crisp zodiac
No, @glass shell, Olympians get pissed off, go to bloody war, and kiss and make up at the literal drop of a hat.
glass shell
typical gods huh
crisp zodiac
As easily as they forgive you for, in their perception, shunning them, they forgive one another.
Typical greko-roman gods, yes.
tiny grove
Fickle gods
Tbf I think most forms of paganism as I understand
have fickle gods
It makes sense when they have so many rivalries and competing desires
dark scroll
All gods are fickle, just depends how.
dark scroll
BLOOD FOR THE BLOODGOD!
rose nexus
I love dionysus so much uhfng
tiny grove
Hey maaaaaaaan you ready to PARTAY?
rose nexus
mellow haven
lmao I used the final boss' keepsake against him for the first time and the mid fight dialogue is hilarious
kindred granite
Guys I don't get how I can get the shady companion
I gave everything to sisyphus
But I can't give him any ambrosia
crisp zodiac
"What does it mean if there's a clock/timer on the next heart in the codex?
It means you've reached the current limit for gifting this character! You'll have to wait for future updates for further conversations.
What does it mean if there's a lock on the next heart in the codex?
This means there is a special event which will unlock the next section of the heart meter. This is different for each character, and in some cases, it will require you to do specific actions. Just keep talking to them!"
kindred granite
What specific actions tho?
crisp zodiac
The last line specifically is your answer. Chat him up a billion times.
You'll see the UI unlock when he becomes ambrosia-compatible.
kindred granite
Keep talking to them? Alright thank you
crisp zodiac
It took me long enough to get it that I mamaged to almost totally fill my affinity with Dusa and spread some ambrosia around to others while I waited.
kindred granite
Wow that's not the easiest one to get
But I don't want to waste my ambrosia on others
crisp zodiac
Depends on how much you stock up. I got to multiple clears pretty quickly, and my fish kept scoring me ambrosia.
elder warren
Damn, the shield is hard to master
hard pier
It's fun tho
Keep at it
May you never fear what stands in front of you, for you are invulnerable
elder warren
having a hard time, but yeah if it works out it is fun
dark scroll
Spoiler; you'll die a lot either way.
dark scroll
Only died (with pc included) over ~200 times.
elder warren
negative 200? thats great!
sage depot
elder warren
oh what ok
dark scroll
Negative dieing would be living more? ;o
elder warren
yes!
thorny crescent
Only died (with pc included) over ~200 times.
@dark scroll pls tell me you’re kidding
dark scroll
Well let me check...
dim grove
hey all 🙂
elder warren
what uuuuup
dark scroll
When it says "attempt" on save file, does that include current run?
I was incorrect. 194 escapes attempted at pc. 124 on Switch.
So.... mind crackling.... 318.
@thorny crescent
spare ridge
math
dark scroll
Well pc version doens't fully count since act 4 wasn't in the game for many runs.
And the switch version isn't fully "accurate" either for that since my first succesful runs were at 13 and 14 already.
elder warren
I wasn't successful so far and I'm so excited to see what is at the end of the first run and also if it really is possible to escape, I imagine it is and the devs did some creative like the rest of the game
dark scroll
But I think I got 70-80 succesfull runs on Switch.
Ah, can't see in pc version I think. That room only shows like 40 so thats prob since they implemented that. Dunno how they changed that even.
Ah well, Switch now. ;p
spare ridge
i’m at a point in the game where i beat it pretty consistently
proper halo
lol
dark scroll
Don't hit the game!
spare ridge
anyway point is i usually lose when i’m using an aspect i don’t like very much
||extreme measures hades|| can go die tho
elder warren
yeah I noticed too that the game is easier when I'm having a lot of fun with my build which hints to genius game design
dark scroll
I'm sure I could win 100 out of 100 times if I played with weapons I liked, picked boons/etc which I liked. And 0 heat. But where';s the fun in that. ;p
dark scroll
2 attempt at 32 now. Got close 2nd time.
dark scroll
||
upper carbon
use these ||
dark scroll
||ss||
spare ridge
god that fight is fun tho
proper halo
ah ok
spare ridge
like
upper carbon
ye but like you need dmg output
proper halo
| test |
dark scroll
2
spare ridge
even with like all death defiances i barely made it
upper carbon
twice
proper halo
|test|
upper carbon
on both sides
proper halo
ah
upper carbon
|| test ||
upper carbon
ya boiiiii
elder warren
boyo
spare ridge
i love that fight but it destroys me so i don’t do it much
upper carbon
boyerooni
proper halo
can i pm someone a question i found something in game that might be a bug or something i havent unlocked yet
brisk trail
||yes||
Once I had an idea for a game and it worked exactly like hades just without any of the flavor and I'm still sulking because supergiant beat me to it but I love the game so I'm not complaining
upper carbon
|| will we ever get hades 2 ? 
|| ?
kind mason
I assume that the font display bug in the boon selection interface is known? I've seen it multiple times already but never started a list to see if the same boons were affected every time. In a nutshell, it renders a key word like Bull Rush in a monospace font (Bull Rush) that exceeds the space it's alloted to.
upper carbon
|| except this time we keep breaking in and they keep throwing us back out ||
unkempt sleet
That was the initial concept for this game actually
unkempt sleet
Yeah it was based on Theseus and the final biome was gonna be Hades
brisk trail
||I hope in a future update Zagreus can get more fans||
unkempt sleet
But then they shifted to Zag
upper carbon
|| more fans would be nice ||
kind mason
I want to throw nectar to my one fan shade in the colloseum…
upper carbon
|| I always visit the shade before moving on ||
brisk trail
||every time, I go up to that one red shade and I just feel happy||
hard pier
||on the talk of shades, the broker is rather adorable when he's the top employee and Zag compliments him||
upper carbon
|| true i like that too ||
brisk trail
||I hope in a future update they can make the game harder because I've pretty much beaten it as hard as possible I just want it to be more difficult||
brisk trail
||the only thing I haven't done is hell mode with like everything enabled tbh but I've skipped a lot of heat to make it harder||
upper carbon
|| ive been having a lot of fun with random builds - today i ended up at cerebrus with like 2.7k gold ||
|| i also need to beat charon a 2nd time ||
brisk trail
||oh I always just do whatever with my builds||
upper carbon
|| same mostly ||
brisk trail
||now, I want a game just around Gilgamesh he doesn't have enough appreciation in all media||
||i liked Gilgamesh before he was cool||
||but it makes me happy that the fists of Gilgamesh are in the game||
upper carbon
|| look up fate ||
|| lots of gilgamesh there ||
|| granted its mostly anime stuff ||
brisk trail
||ok||
upper carbon
|| it also has isthar, ereshkigal, enkidu ||
brisk trail
||supergiant should make you able to fight the owners of hidden aspects, I think that would be awesome||
brisk trail
But like I wish I just had a game about Gilgamesh like I'm supposed it doesn't exist
upper carbon
well not exactly about him
but he is part of one
and there is a chapter based on him
the other 3 are in it too
and they made a show based on that chapter
no prior context needed
you can watch it as is mostly
dark scroll
Quick offtopic request; anyone not Dutch with a iPhone/iPad willing to check out if "A Twist in the Myth" album (Blind Guardian) plays the preview songs on itunes? I'm in talks with support to check whats the problem. (preview songs not playing)
cedar remnant
Can I use Hades' music in the background of a youtube video if I've purchased the digital download?
kindred granite
Any advice on builds for demeter fists?
dark scroll
Well use boons that work well with the special "active".
Aphrodite, Artemis, Athena can all pack a big oomph.
Poseidon, Zeus options.
mild bison
merciful end is the best you can do on demeter fists. zeus also works well on attack.
dark scroll
Poison, Doom, chill are all meh since well its slow for applying them or doesn't stack well/fast
special wise
mild bison
explosive upper from the hammer is extremely good if you can get it
dark scroll
It can also help looking at the hammer upgrades and the legen/duo boons ingame.
rancid ember
Well, I'm here now...
Random thing that's on my mind-
Am I the only one who thinks Coronacht's special seems really weak? I feel like it'd be "serviceable" but still not exceptionally powerful if it did twice as much damage with twice the rate of fire.
dark scroll
Most specials on their own are fairly meh.
mild bison
it's really good at short range when you can dump all the arrows into a single target
dark scroll
Shotgun style.
Hammer upgrade +4 special shots, add crit or such.
Or with 2nd aspect, zeus special etc.
rancid ember
You can actually hit a single enemy multiple times with it? I'd never actually noticed that happening o.o
Good to know!
mild bison
yeah. it's especially good when you dash in on larger enemies.
cedar remnant
Its special is really good in those rooms with the witches that shoot lots and lots of projectiles
it just clears the screen
quite satisfying actually
rancid ember
I wish I had a USB controller that would work properly with this game, but the only one I have auto-assigns Dash and Attack to the same button
stone gulch
cedar remnant
lol
dark scroll
Well you got software that can fix that not?
rancid ember
The controller doesn't seem to come with any software that I've seen, tbh
rancid ember
Oh. Hm. Don't know anything about that. Could try it out
dark scroll
Or buy a Switch and play it there. ;p
cedar remnant
yeah steam has it in built if you have it on there
cedar remnant
ah yeah could be that
cedar remnant
I don't remember them having colours, too busy spamming
heavy breach
the one that's pink and blue?
rancid ember
I can't really use the bug report right now because I left the context the apparent bugs are in, but I'm annoyed that
-
I keep getting codex notifications that take me to a non-updated Nectar (particularly when I get Cthonic Keys), and that now the only available codex entry in the Artifact section is Nectar
-
Meg keeps killing me without any animations. At one point she was literally facing the opposite direction from me, didn't move, I got hit her direction and died
fathom flume
She's just blue no ?
hard pier
The colors indicate different moves
So e throw eggs, others shoot projectiles, all that jam
indigo canopy
how come i didnt forge a bond w dusa after gifting her all that ambrosia
elder warren
she too shy? Sorry dont know
wicked kayak
As a decent Hades player, which weapon should i focus putting the blood in?
brisk trail
Gun
brisk trail
Gun
indigo canopy
As a decent Hades player, which weapon should i focus putting the blood in?
@wicked kayak sword
dark scroll
Bow. ;p
wicked kayak
how do i get more blood?
dark scroll
Well play. ;p
Each weapon with x heat.
Some quests.
Broker can sell em (though don't buy too many).
wicked kayak
Each weapon with x heat.?
dark scroll
Weapon, heat 1, beat all bosses, then pick heat 2, repeat repeat.
wicked kayak
so just add 1 heat for each time?
dark scroll
Basicly, you can add 10 but it won't give you the rewards from all before,.
You can also sometimes buy blood at the last area but its like 1000 gold and normally you'll spend it to even get there.
I bought some extra blood in the beginning with ambrosia. But only some to get started.
rancid ember
btw. Has anyone ever beaten the game on a fresh run, no resources, not dying even once, yet?
I'm sure it'll eventually happen (probably fairly soon) if it hasn't already lol
rancid ember
Oh, yeah
I forget you have to get multiple runs to "beat the game"
Didn't realize that was the case until I saw it mentioned
unkempt sleet
I'm pretty sure someone did it if only to time it for speedruns
in case it's faster to do so
unkempt sleet
The things we don't want to spoil here are: ||Anything past final boss, companions, and hidden aspects.|| Anything else can be discussed here.
Otherwise #h1-story-discussion
full pendant
so boons are good
unkempt sleet
ye
full pendant
well cant send the pic but is it normal to have 6/10 for legendary boons done and 12/28 duos w/ no bonus across like 1-2 days or progress lol
unkempt sleet
You gotta be pretty lucky, yeah
full pendant
yea thats what i was thinkinh
full pendant
56
unkempt sleet
That's a lot of runs for a couple of days tho
unkempt sleet
I don't know if admin chamber tells you the date
full pendant
yea have that some of recent
astral swift
What's with ||Hades' arrow summons|| 
they shoot like 6 arrows 
unkempt sleet
Champions be like that
Champion spreaders shoot three splitting projectiles
those are something
full pendant
assuming my first few runs are from the past few days then 36 runs but less due to me not beating the game for the first time this weekend
so yea got 2 runs w/ 3 duos as well lol
unkempt sleet
Yeah when you have the mirror to Fated you start getting a lot of duos
I got some runs on record with 4-5 duos
full pendant
nice nice yet to get that lol ill take my good rng and hope it doesnt go away when i have the good upgrades
unkempt sleet
TBH you only need God's Pride and God's Legacy to get a lot of duos
real skiff
unkempt sleet
They're asking for your Discord name and your e-mail in case they need more info on something
it's optional and they've never used mine so eh
tepid plover
Yeah is just in case they need more info or what to tell you something
Thats how they told me how to solve mine after looking at my ticket, they told me here
quasi olive
Hi everyone! What are ||themes supposed to change? I bought the Infernal one for 10 diamonds, but apart from illustrations around my list of boons when I press back, I can't seem to find much of a difference in the boon selection menu for example, or anywhere else...||?
quasi olive
Oh, OK, thanks! I'll have to check then, but I don't see any difference at all in the boon list, but maybe I'm just not observant enough! ^^
glass shell
you could take a look through #h1-victory-boasting and compare the UIs
if you re curious
pale skiff
I can't post a pic on this channel.. but would to ask why 'Eldest Sigil Restortain' from the contractor costs exactly 3142 darkness... there's meaning in that number.. Easter Egg?...
pale skiff
most stuff is rounded up or down.. nice round numbers... but 3142 is very specfic..
cosmic stone
Mmhm
pale skiff
There's an Ester Egg there or something..
cosmic stone
Definetly
pale skiff
3142 = Dash, Attack, Cast, Special... maybe pick up the boons in that order?
rancid ember
Holy crap. I hate the time attack rooms
I'd barely been damaged until I came into this one and suddenly I've wasted a death defiance
"survive for 45 seconds"
is a lot harder than it sounds
I mean, if you have a room that you can easily just run around in circles in it's fine lol
but this one wasn't like that...
pale skiff
one thing I've learnt about the game.. is you need to transition into a different playstyle from room to room... take a breath sometimes... take time to take a room... but change the way you deal with the room.. and don't forget your build... lots of times I forget what I'm packing... and rush too hard..
use your boons
cosmic stone
Just shield in the corner
rancid ember
Shield in the corner sounds good for Aegis lol
rancid ember
I had the sword this time
pale skiff
I love the coin you get from them too.. I see timer rooms as a way to get some gold.. :D.. I love seeing them
rancid ember
Hmm. Well, I guess I just need to get better at the game lol
unkempt sleet
I have a solution for your 3142 riddle
rancid ember
...welp. Run started hella strong, then ended with dying to a spike trap before even meeting the bomber twins
brisk trail
So uh, what is the indicator of blinding flash being active
unkempt sleet
Exposed is represented by a drop of liquid on top of the enemy
it's not easy to see
brisk trail
I see, thank you
valid rune
hi everyone! does hades have cross saves yet?
astral swift
Not yet
dark scroll
Already way further on Switch. Cancel it. ;p
pale skiff
@unkempt sleet explain 3142 riddle?
unkempt sleet
||pi||
unkempt sleet
Originally it was 8888 darkness
pale skiff
what was 8888?
pale skiff
ahhh... only been playing this game 3 weeks..
nice
k.. yeah.. makes sense now man.. thanks for that.. it would have played with me for ages..
astral swift
Hypnos. Please Have. A. Conversation. With. Me. That. Is. More. Than. One. Textbox.
narrow hemlock
elder warren
I cant decide between ruthless reflex or greater reflex
I would love the extra damage but I also dodge a lot more consistently with more dashes
brisk trail
how do i get orpheus to play music?
elder warren
I didn't realize, I'm so sorry
/s
pls help greater or ruthless reflex? Has the dodge chance worked out for you noticeably?
dark scroll
I just find it not worth the effort.
1 dash, have to use before getting hit, only 2 sec.
Having 2 dashes means dodges, moving around faster etc. It doesn't say "more damage" but in the end certainly for most builds the damage will end up being higher.
Godlike players and very specific builds with specific boons, maybe. I'm not gonna try.
From a discussion several hours ago.
dark scroll
And later with enemies being faster, you taking more damage the risk is high.
There is a reward but 2 sec only etc etc.
Too much work. ;p
elder warren
dont wanna count on hermes giving me an extra dash, also that would waste a boon slot
could that be something to keep an eye on regarding balancing changes? If you say these things with the experience that youre giving off
dark scroll
You mean if they were to buff or change it?
elder warren
yes
dark scroll
I suppose. I think it can be good now already but it is a finnicky thing ofc, and if you are really good at using it I'm sure you can kick some decent booty.
elder warren
well said
dark scroll
I'm always a bit more of a secure/safe/reliable person anyway.
2 dashes work well, moving around quicker also gives more damage in a way. So I'm sure the gap isn't massive in power difference anyway.
And with way less risk.
elder warren
the mobility argument got me, I'm not gonna forget the other for when I'm better at the game
carmine zodiac
Also if you take a damaging dash boon more dashes=more damage
dark scroll
Also a very good point.
elder warren
yup it is
dark scroll
I once had the zeus dash, totally not doing a zeus build but ended up getting the legendery aswell somehow. Dash did pretty well. ;p
The only time ever I upgraded a dash I think.
carmine zodiac
Yeah the good ol' "take zeus dash, Hermes dash upgrade, and every lightning buff" build
Then you just literally run circles around every enemy in the game
elder warren
"High confidence" is another such thing. Too low pay off for keeping hp above 80% at all times
dark scroll
Yea thats kinda the same thing as the dash one. But I'd say that one is more easily usable.
high confidence that is
dark scroll
Other one is the simple option that always works but it can be a good choice. Esp if you got a healing weapon or so.
carmine zodiac
Most of the mirror slots have a "better 80%+ of the time" option
unkempt sleet
Dodge is not additive
granite ether
Dodge is inverse multaplicative
unkempt sleet
Dodge is inverse multiplicative
maiden urchin
maiden urchin
ok then take 100+ hits in a row with inverse multiplicative dodge
granite ether
Defensive stats have never been additive
dark scroll
multaplicative, that word is too fancy for me.
carmine zodiac
Hypothetically if you have 1% dodge chance you could dodge 100% of attacks
granite ether
So inverse multiplicative is a way to determining your chance of being hit, over dodge chance
maiden urchin
watch the video and tell me it's not additive
granite ether
So hypothetically let's say you have 2 15% dodge chances the maths works out to be
1* (1-0.15)*(1-0.15)
unkempt sleet
Stacking 2 instances of 50% dodge makes it a 75%, which can then go up to 80% ish. Then you just get lucky.
But TLDR if the modders say it's inverse multiplicative it's inverse multiplicative.
granite ether
For your chance of being hit
maiden urchin
39% from second wind, 25% from hermes boon, 21.6% from plume, 15% from zag fists. That adds up to 100.6% additively, but multiplicatively it's only 69.5% (1 - 0.61*0.75*0.784*0.85))
elder warren
quick question: Is Doom a status effect like Hangover?
dark scroll
Yes.
elder warren
thanks
carmine zodiac
So if I'm correct with defensive stats it just applies them individually?
granite ether
That's not how the maths works rigged
carmine zodiac
So with dodge its multiple successive rolls?
granite ether
Effectively yes
carmine zodiac
Based on how many different dodge chance buffs you have
maiden urchin
What about my computation for the mult dodge change is wrong there
Unless you mean something non standard by inverse multiplicative
granite ether
No it's not
carmine zodiac
Basically if you would get hit it rolls all the sources of dodge at the same time and if any pass you dodge
granite ether
You've put them all together in the same bracket
maiden urchin
Your chance of getting hit is (1-0.39)(1 - 0.25)(1 - 0.216)(1 -0.15) right?
elder warren
I love this. Go nerds go!
maiden urchin
That's what you say
Multiply that out and it's equal to 1 - 0.695 which is what I said
granite ether
It should look like 1*(1-0.39)(1-0.25)(1-0.216)(1-0.15)
maiden urchin
That's literally exactly what I wrote man
What do you think 0.61 is if not 1 - 0.39
That comes out to 69.5 dodge chance
carmine zodiac
@granite ether 1 multiplied by a number is that number
tiny grove
So what's the debate here?
That dodge is additive, multiplicative or inverse multiplicative?
carmine zodiac
No it's an order of operations debate
granite ether
As its always been
maiden urchin
i'm saying that in that video the aggregate dodge chance is 69.5% assuming inverse multiplicative. But I counted 47 successive dodges in a row
carmine zodiac
For some reason
maiden urchin
You're telling me that he just got lucky to the order of 0.7^47 ~= 1e-8
granite ether
Yep, that can happen
maiden urchin
Or 1 in 100 million
granite ether
Rng was on their side
tiny grove
so you wanted to calculate the total dodge and see if he was just lucky
or if he actually had 100%
carmine zodiac
I assume damage reduction works the same way
maiden urchin
damage reduction is definitely not additive tho
carmine zodiac
Where it just applies each reduc sequentially
mellow pumice
i mean, if you have sure footing on epic and like bronze skin with 10%, you wouldnt take NO damage from traps
dodge seems to be special
high island
Dodge chance is additive, damage resistance isn't.
mellow pumice
yeah
dark scroll
Heroic Sure Footing heals you. Almost.
tiny grove
It feels to me that dodge is additive after watching that vid
the dodge numbers involved just don't support the idea that the guy got incredibly lucky
high island
We've had two individual tests verify that it's additive recently, yes.
carmine zodiac
Devs post source code I double dog dare you
granite ether
the source code is open to everyone
tiny grove
dare fulfilled
maiden urchin
i wonder if ruthless reflex is different from the rest of the dodge chance stuff
high island
Crepes verified it because their friend told them it was additive in the code.
maiden urchin
seems like it would be too easy to hit 100% otherwise
robust scaffold
it should be the same
high island
Well, you still need some good RNG to get everything you need for 100% Dodge chance, and it's not actually that easy to keep up Ruthless full-time.
You need to actually i-frame an attack with a dash to proc Ruthless.
carmine zodiac
Honestly trying to do math in this game is very annoying
We need an abacus keepsake
dark scroll
This discussion is boring and the chat is now about Clouds.
carmine zodiac
That lets you use an abacus from the pause menu
tiny grove
i'm sure you could calculate probabilities on an abacus
but i would find multiplication
very hard to do
pale skiff
Wahoo.. personal goal.. got all me weapons to 10 heat.. is it hard getting them all to 20 heat?
pale skiff
I've got skills... but experience.. only own this game a month..
pale skiff
k.. looking forward to the challenge :D..
dark scroll
There's a bunch of heat things you can easily add without making it a lot difficult.
carmine zodiac
The real game only starts at 100 heat
granite ether
If you're comfy with FO2 that's 6 heat right there
glass shell
only 100 heat? pfft
pale skiff
@dark scroll I think I use those already.. I could deal with extra health on enemies I think.. if my build works
carmine zodiac
Pre 100 heat is the prologue
pale skiff
99?
pale skiff
k
well.. am now looking more at duo boons.. than I am at just simply doing a run
so yeah.. I'll work on it..work to do..
pale skiff
I'ave about 40 I think
carmine zodiac
And the game really opens up from there
pale skiff
and for the record.. that was a spoiler.. didnt know that
carmine zodiac
Oh yeah its nuts
dark scroll
ps. you can't get to 100 heat at all. 😉
quaint hatch
Shh
carmine zodiac
I still remember the first time I fought cronos
carmine zodiac
Hardest boss battle of my life
dark scroll
Well easier then Apollo.
pale skiff
I believe he means 100 heat in total over multiple runs
dark scroll
Throwing planets.
glass shell
apollo was a real challenge
tiny grove
at 100 heat, ||a cinematic plays where SGG crew and all the Olympians welcome you and tell you to BUY THE EXPANSION||
pale skiff
Ways to go... :D.. am gonna get back at.. :D.. can't stop playing this game..
quaint hatch
But you only get that one if ||you finished the story pre 1.0 release||
rancid ember
Looking at this conversation I am so confused
quaint hatch
It's crystal clear imo
maiden urchin
can you imagine legit an expansion which you're only allowed to buy after beating 40 heat or whatever
well there's always been gated content
you dont unlock most of the story until you beat the game
gusty slate
Of course, but im bad 
ruby atlas
idk why exactly but I'm so much more sick of elysium than any of the other zones
quaint hatch
Lava is the only bad thing
Fire me
gusty slate
Elysium has the most annoying enemies imo
worthy jackal
@gusty slate Dont worry! I think you can compensate for bad mechanics by doing research into min maxing builds
gusty slate
40 heat is tuff
sudden dock
Did 16 heat with normal mode, but 32 I will brave with God Mode only. It's inhumane.
ruby atlas
Would be cool if a dlc added choice of multiple different zones to go through, like in spelunky 2
worthy jackal
Okay I'm only on heat 5 right now, so maybe I'm the baddie
dark scroll
About to go to final boss with 32 heat, only 1 DD left though, good build but we'll see.
worthy jackal
gl
dark scroll
But first brush teeth, bed and then continue.
maiden urchin
i usually go for the 20% epic cause i use dark foresight
gusty slate
I like epics more, as duo/legendary have pre-reqs and I might not even get them
floral geyser
Does chaos boon atk %+ affect dash strike as well?
For reference, does all atk %+ affect dash strike as well?
pearl fractal
gusty slate
I believe so, there are some cases where it's very specific
quaint hatch
Legendary/duo
pearl fractal
I rarely use Chaos boons, so idk
robust scaffold
chaos is really strong yea
gusty slate
attack +% should generally help dash strikes, though I think hammers are super specific
kindred granite
I always go into chaos
gusty slate
Ah Malphon has a dash-upper, which benefits from special
gusty slate
Chaos cares
floral geyser
What's a good special to pair with hunting blades on shield zeus aspect?
pearl fractal
Start using chaos more
Pro tip
@quaint hatch I'm not a fan of them cuz I just don't go for high-risk high-reward options in games that much at all
astral swift
Letting yourself die getting to Chaos is too Chaotic for them
quaint hatch
@quaint hatch I'm not a fan of them cuz I just don't go for high-risk high-reward options in games that much at all
@pearl fractal it's not high risk
white forge
GODDAMIT
quaint hatch
What's a good special to pair with hunting blades on shield zeus aspect?
@floral geyser play hunting blades on achilles
pearl fractal
You may think it's not high risk but I don't like literally sacrificing 25 health just to enter Chaos' place at all
white forge
I was on time for a sub-17, which would be a whole lot better than by 20:30 best
quaint hatch
Zeus is very good with zeus flourish(weird ikr) and a zeus build
Double strike
Explosive catch
Stand next to an enemy
Spam special
Win
white forge
||And then hades is like "Nah, I'm not fighting you this time, just go"|| SO IT DOESN'T COUNT
crying
quaint hatch
You may think it's not high risk but I don't like literally sacrificing 25 health just to enter Chaos' place at all
@pearl fractal you're bound to get the health back fast enough
Dark regen helps a lot
white forge
aggggghhhhh
quaint hatch
And their boons are insanely powerful as a trade off
pearl fractal
Thanks for clarifying that's Chaos is a he, I've had trouble with figuring that out for a long time now lmao
pearl fractal
Nevermind then
white forge
sorry to be pedantic
I'm pretty sure I call chaos a he all the time by accident, no judgement
but technically, It's genderless
gusty slate
Yeah, I just refer to Chaos as they
white forge
agghh I'm so annoyed RN
gusty slate
If Codex says so, then that's the way
astral swift
Oooosy
white forge
all the characters also call it "they"
glass shell
why do you call chaos "it"
glass shell
yep
quaint hatch
Fair assumption for a being outside of time ig
past pollen
white forge
true dat
wicked lagoon
Hi, I have a question
white forge
wave
wicked lagoon
I bought the rank from the guy in ||Hades's chamber||, and now it shows up near my hp bar
but I find it quite ugly
gusty slate
Uh oh...
wicked lagoon
any way to get rid of it?
gusty slate
not to my knowledge
wicked lagoon
RIP
I had no idea what I was purchasing, I just wanted to try
is there anybody who might know for sure?
gusty slate
One would think there was an option... does contractor have one by chance?
quaint hatch
Just progress your ||rank||
gusty slate
gotta wear it with pride
wicked lagoon
so it gets removed if it gets higher? I would assume it just changes shape
wicked lagoon
||https://hades.gamepedia.com/Resource_Director|| here there are no pictures after the 2nd but I just assumed the wiki was incomplete
oh my bad
I forgot
agile cargo
||LERNIE VANQUISHED||
IM ALLOWED TO REFER TO HYDRA AS ||LERNIE|| NOW I FEEL SO PRIVILEGED
hard pier
Yall checked out the supergiant games Twitter recently? Turns out Hades got some prize
carmine ravine
thats not a spoiler dw
hard pier
Lernie best bone snek
carmine ravine
prize for what@hard pier
quaint hatch
Being hella good
agile cargo
i kinda feel like it is bc whoever beat snek so many times to unlock that nickname must have defeated redacted at least once
carmine ravine
like in #announcements ?
gusty slate
I only see hermes cup
robust scaffold
not sure if that means much lol
gusty slate
Still a prize I suppose lul
robust scaffold
yea
carmine ravine
what if the prize is just || 🧅||
robust scaffold
breh
carmine ravine
brisk trail
just got my best time out of 4 wins, somehow with my worst weapon
kindred granite
Any good idea for demeter build?
For now is use Zeus for attack, cause it's fast
Artemis for technique peraphs
quaint hatch
Demeter fist zeus attack and demeter(winter harvest) or
artemis special, maybe kinetic launcher|Aphrodite attack with legendary, artemis crit special, heart rend|ME
| means different build
Try the crit or ME
ME is ME build: Attack ares, special ahena(duo boon) dash athena, impending doom, it works on almost all weapons in game. (bow exception f.e.). if you have athena dash and ares attack, your dash attack applies and procs doom in one go.
cedar remnant
OK, I just unlocked the ||gun||, here is my first impression of every weapon tierlist:
||Shield||
||Bow||
||Spear||
||Gun||
||Sword||
||Gloves||
gusty slate
They're all pretty good/balanced
quaint hatch
Also it's not about weapons
It's about the aspects
There are more or less clear contenders for a least and best weapon but otherwise it's pretty muddled
As @gusty slate sad
gusty slate
Erm, you'll find out very soon
cedar remnant
I've only done 15 attempts
quaint hatch
Way to go!
cedar remnant
furthest I've been is ||Minotaur man and other guy in the arena||
cedar remnant
well technically it is
quaint hatch
Held me up for 20 runs
cedar remnant
damn
quaint hatch
Anything past styx is a spoiler
cedar remnant
I have a friend who recommended the game, that's why I got it, and she also got stuck on those two
quaint hatch
It's a bit less rigid here than on #h1-for-new-players
quaint hatch
Idk spoiler rules is spoiler rules xD
opaque nexus
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392070250511728653/774816058292961312/unknown.png my speedrun was verified
third fastest demeter time baybee
stone pebble
agile saddle
I wanna like ||Gilganesh|| fists but I never do well with them vs demeter fists. I used to like fists in general but they seem weaker on high heat
viscid moss
the longer animations locking you out of dashing is felt the hardest on ||gilgamesh||
||arthur|| is saved because of its ||damage reduc. aoe||, but going melee without being able to quickly dash out is pain
gusty slate
Apparently dash-attack is the way to go
rancid ember
I feel bad at the game because I've had 31 attempts, only been to ||Asphodel|| 3 times and the furthest I got was the first midboss there
gusty slate
You're doing fine
We see first clears within first 10 to 100+
Just keep at it
You got this 👍
We can give tips if you want also
viscid moss
yea, dont worry about it seian
youll see mirror upgrades getting better and better, you'll make it like the rest of us 
agile saddle
The slow speed of ||Gilgamesh|| mixed with the increased damage you take if you dash special someone just doesn't work. For demeter it's fast and the special hits hard.
gusty slate
I think people were saying dash-attack was the way to go, upper was only for increasing damage due to the stack, dunno
agile saddle
@rancid ember asphodel doesn't have a mid boss. You can choose to bypass a mini boss if u don't choose a room with a skull
rancid ember
Oh
rancid ember
Well it was a giant pink Gorgon and another big scary thing that kept jumping up and trying to crush me
It also seemed designed to be super scary
gusty slate
Yeah the power couple, they're a tough one
agile saddle
Yeah that's one of the mini bosses
granite ether
ahh the power couple
gusty slate
gotta balance watching the shadow and fighting head
sharp fossil
that’s arguably the most annoying miniboss in the game
agile saddle
Asphodel has 3 I think
rancid ember
I didn't know there was a distinction between midboss and unique miniboss lol
sharp fossil
unless you’re speedrunning, in which case they’re great lol
agile saddle
Not even Elysium has a mid boss they are optional
gusty slate
Sometimes RNG will rek you and be forced into miniboss though
agile saddle
Yeah that can happen
tepid plover
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sharp fossil
i think dionysus just died onto his keyboard
agile saddle
Or a stroke
rancid ember
I don't think I've ever had a Tartarus run reach Meg that doesn't have at least one of skeleton bombers or Doomstone? (usually skeleton bombers)
gusty slate
I've dodged minibosses cause RNG before
sharp fossil
they’re always offered, but sometimes there’re multiple doors and you can choose to skip them
agile saddle
Doesn't each floor have 3 mini bosses?
rancid ember
Aah, I see
sharp fossil
elysium has only 2
agile saddle
Ah yeah
rancid ember
What's the third miniboss in Tartarus? o.o
agile saddle
Witch
gusty slate
Doomstone, Sneakybeaky, Bomberman
sharp fossil
^
agile saddle
Didn't know her name
rancid ember
Sneakybeaky? Not sure I've seen that one
granite ether
wretched sneak
rancid ember
I've seen rooms full of boosted witches, but nothing that looked unique
sharp fossil
Wretched sneak if you wanna be technical
agile saddle
Irritating but predictable
plucky jay
so i saw hades won an indie game award. I just wanted to ask if anyone considers Hades an Indie game?
rancid ember
Ah
gusty slate
SGG is an indie studio, no?
agile saddle
Super giant is not a AAA studio
plucky jay
like
kindred granite
Why the hell can't I get sisyphus room anymore??
sharp fossil
yeah SGG is indie
kindred granite
It's been 15 games
viscid moss
they're successful, so fairly well funded, but technically still indie
sharp fossil
they are pretty small
agile saddle
@kindred granite RNG
plucky jay
i guess they are independent but is that all there is to the definition?>
i think its a good game and deserves an award, but indie game? seems slightly unfair
kindred granite
But I had him almost every game at first
granite ether
they're are an incredibly small dev studio and they are indapendant
plucky jay
how many employees?
20 as of 2018 wiki says
yeah thats small
now what is interesting is because they took epic games money does that still make the game indie?
or is that a grey area
agile saddle
@kindred granite still RNG no rhyme or reason
sharp fossil
like every indie game takes EGS money
that has nothing to do with whether they’re indie or not
plucky jay
to me personally it just seems that the award should go to a studio or indie developers still working at home and not at an office
im not saying they dont deserve acclaim
sharp fossil
that’s not what indie game means
granite ether
Supergiant are working from home
granite ether
you know with the whole pandemic thing
plucky jay
yeah they are rn but they do have an office
thats not fair to say
thats like saying 343 is indie then
sharp fossil
idk why it should make any difference what building they work in
agile cargo
^
plucky jay
probs not but i think it just adds to them not being necessarily a small game developer
granite ether
team cherry is a dev team of 3 people and they have an office
plucky jay
and possibly it taking away from those making their first game
and deserve acclaim as well
but i hope they win it idk the other people up for the award
its been a good year for games
rancid ember
I guess I can see where you're coming from. The difference isn't so much in their size but whether they're solidly"established" or not
right?
plucky jay
i would think they are
i would also argue
hades as a game is not indie
tho the studio may be
sharp fossil
what does that even means lol
agile cargo
whether its indie doesnt depend on how many people there are on the team tho
a company can be indie even
agile cargo
what
plucky jay
but is the game itself indie
sharp fossil
their company is tiny anyway
agile cargo
what
plucky jay
is it an indie game
sharp fossil
^
plucky jay
how is this confusing
sharp fossil
ngl i am very confused at this point
agile cargo
its an indie game if the developers are indie??
gusty slate
granite ether
yes, the game is self published
granite ether
yes
sharp fossil
yeah dude EGS is not a publisher, it’s a platform
granite ether
all supergiant games are self published now
plucky jay
it being a timed exclusive doesnt mean anything?
sharp fossil
thats just a deal they made with the platform for distribution; Epic Games had nothing to do with production
sharp fossil
^
plucky jay
but it was not funded by them
or maybe it was i am unsure of that
well no you cant really "publish" on an online platform unless you have a deal for physical copies as well
because obviously supergiant just uploads it to steam or Epic games
granite ether
many games publish without physical copies
pyre hasn't ever had a physical release so far for example
sharp fossil
“publisher” is a piece of industry jargon with a specific meaning, it doesn’t just refer to the place the game was published
plucky jay
but would you not say it is important to the indie category that the games represented be from 1. small teams like 1-10 people 2. teams that worked on their own dime
i feel like then you could say well you know EA funded this game from a small team but its still indie because hey they have 30 people and EA didnt publish it
if anything i want to know what constitutes being indie and its qualifications for an award
agile cargo
doesnt indie need to be self published
gusty slate
wikipedia defines it as self publish
agile cargo
and you just said ea didnt publish it
gusty slate
either through their own funds or crowdfunding
plucky jay
but what im getting at
is thats its unfair
to those who actually are truly indie
and not taking money from triple a
sharp fossil
i think indie just doesn’t mean what you thought it meant
plucky jay
i mean it makes sense and i may be in the minority but i still think its a shady area
robust scaffold
oo didnt know indie means self publish
agile cargo
“truly indie” that sounds kinda gate keeping
plucky jay
kinda but lets be real
sharp fossil
i also think you’re conflating what EGS does with exclusivity deals to what big game publishers do, and those things are not the same
plucky jay
if you saw a team get millions in funding beat out a guy who made a great game but wasnt given the funds to make it what he wanted
sharp fossil
EGS didn’t have a say in how Hades was made, they weren’t investors
plucky jay
to me it just seems like
that its wrong
and that maybe there should be a separate category
or it should be in a different one
i think its great they got the money they needed to make a great game
agile saddle
Saying a single guy making a game should win just cause it's him invalidates the work SGG did
agile cargo
indie also means the devs decide and make what they want without any third party intervention
so
sharp fossil
^^^
plucky jay
i do think that it takes away from those that want to make it big
supergiant did it
again i hope they win
but i wanted to discuss this it seems like an interesting issue
that may occur in the future
agile saddle
Not really it's a random award. Hades blew up before this award
plucky jay
indie award isnt random i mean where its coming from may be but its still a splotlight
agile cargo
this rly do be a blurry line
ik wikipedia is not the most trustworthy source but even it says there isnt a very clear definition to what indie rly means
agile cargo
it has a few qualities but there are exceptions to those rules
plucky jay
thats why im seeing what the line is
there has to be qualifications
taking millions from a big company
is big grey area
all im saying
and i would argue that publishing it solely on a platform for timed exclusivity is akin to a big company publishing it
sharp fossil
i’m all for having awards or whatever designed to elevate studios even smaller than SGG, but you gotta make a different category than “indie games” if you wanna do that because that’s not what indie means
plucky jay
as they paid them for this exclusivity
sharp fossil
SGG is like, one of the classic indie games studios
plucky jay
again i think its open to interpretation
gusty slate
I guess, we don't really make the rules
plucky jay
i think at some point you move beyond being indie
i would argue
Super giant did it
they seem to be a decent household name
ide say they may be
idk double A?
sharp fossil
loads of indies are household names
plucky jay
single A?
idk
indies? yes indie studios? not really
uhh chucklefish comes to mind
granite ether
celeste, hollow knight, shovel knight
sharp fossil
absolutely indie studios
sharp fossil
Maddy Makes Games for celeste
granite ether
maddy*
sharp fossil
Team Cherry for Hollow Knight
plucky jay
toby fox made it big
plucky jay
who made them?
sharp fossil
i just said that lol
plucky jay
i know what they are
yes i know
im wondering if he thinks i dont know them
i dont keep track of every games developer lol
or well indie games at least
agile cargo
also i think celestes team is called extremely ok games now
they picked up a new name
sharp fossil
also i think celestes team is called extremely ok games now
@agile cargo this is correct i just looked it up
was going by what it said ingame, which is obviously outdated now
agile cargo
yea
plucky jay
im curious to see what they pick for indie games this year for the game awards
should be a good show
cant wait to watch
that and AGDQ
opaque nexus
Hades is in gdq @ZachGamr#4475
rancid ember
Wait, what's this about exclusivity? I have Hades on Steam...
opaque nexus
Thankfully they moved to steam
sharp fossil
it was a year exclusive, like it usually is
but it happened in early access so most people probably didn’t notice lol
sharp fossil
that was the steam release right?
opaque nexus
Yes
sharp fossil
i think i got that deal as well
opaque nexus
The welcome to hell update
rancid ember
...wow Hades has been around over a year? o.o
gusty slate
since 2018?
rancid ember
I hadn't heard of it until more recently
sharp fossil
so there was a bunch of press related to that, and a lot of people heard about it then
granite ether
closer to 1.8 years for early access
opaque nexus
Check out the 1st patch
sharp fossil
yeah after i said that i was like, wait was it actually 2 years?
either way up there
granite ether
since early access was december 2018 and full release was september this year
opaque nexus
The skelly room looked so ugly
Tartarus looks mostly the same
I remember asphodel got a huge makeover in like long winter or nighty night
sharp fossil
that was when they added a bunch more rooms iirc
the lava was less prevalent before then lol
opaque nexus
They also changed the aesthetics
sharp fossil
they probably did i don’t even remember half of it lol
opaque nexus
Like the room in the beginning where the camera pans and you can see the view
sharp fossil
oh yeah that’s true
opaque nexus
At the beginning Lernie was the final boss lmao
gusty slate
t-pose zag and infinite DD
opaque nexus
What
At one point there was a broken spin build
Hunter dash made the next attack after a dash be a crit
And spins charged way faster
sharp fossil
i’ve heard about the infinite DDs, but what’s this about t-pose zag?
gusty slate
There was a time when, apparently, every DD restore could be added to total. At least I remember a screenshot
Also the same screenshot shows t-pose zag after killing hydra
sharp fossil
yeah the kiss of styx well item just straight up gave you a new DD i believe
lol either i’ve seen a different screenshot or i was too distracted by the line of DDs
gusty slate
the line of DDs went past hp bar, we might be thinking of the same screenshot
sharp fossil
they did yeah
gusty slate
Apparently on initial release, shield had innate deflect
sharp fossil
wtf
opaque nexus
When you blocked it also deflected?
sharp fossil
that’s crazy
opaque nexus
Fun fact: zagreus shield used to give damage reduction up until recently
opaque nexus
The flat attack and dash attack bonus was the same bonus given to zagreus spear for a short time in the Long Winter update
sharp fossil
never got to use it, because i didn’t upgrade that aspect until after it was changed
gusty slate
- Shield of Chaos: reduced base damage slightly; removed Deflect as an innate property (Athena's Boons still can give it Deflect)
opaque nexus
This means zagreus spear has had 3 different effects
At first it was just special speed and range