like, hephasteus' story is SAD
when aphrodite was gonna get married off a lot of gods wanted her, so Athena was like "In my wisdom i see that if Hepahsteus gets her no ones gonna fight because he's too ugly to get angry at"
lliterally he was given Aphrodite as a pity prize and to preserve cosmic peace
and he, the guy who was flung off Olympus at birth by dumb parents who saw him as too ugly, worked his ass off to make jewelry for his new wife, who loved it for a while but then got the hots for Chares (chad ares)
#h1-discussion
jagged ermine
and hephasteus knew that the only way people would believe that he was being cheated on was that he catch them in the act and put a net over them
(iirc hephasteus got a different wife afterwards who wasnt terrible to him and actually loved him for who he was)
pure barn
Awwwwwww
jagged ermine
lowkey after reading up on the myth my opinion of athena fell
Like, girl come on (even tho it makes sense because romance and feelings arent her domain at all)
pure barn
It has a happy ending unlike most myths
austere jacinth
Well, happy-ish.
jagged ermine
Hephasteus was the originall Euridyce, moving on with his life
fickle steppe
Is there any use for darkness once you've maxed the mirror?
fickle steppe
Oh gotcha. I didn't realize you could do it more than once. Just checked again.
austere jacinth
Dio had a lot of different cults.
Shockingly, people loved to worship the god of wine and ecstasy. xDD
jagged ermine
omg
so after you drink you get hungover
or at least sleepy and drowsy
which means
if you re with someone you like you tend to snuggle on and nap
dionysus is also a god of snuggles
austere jacinth
Surely that's like a duo-project with Hypnos?
jagged ermine
oh totes
primal quartz
So, is it normal that my pierced butterfly count decided to yeet off and reset after changing area?
primal quartz
Yes, there was an f word instead
But that does not explain why the goddam butterfly reset, I'm particularily pissed because I already had +18% out of tartarus
So I'm wondering if it happened to others before
jagged ermine
oh no im sorry
austere jacinth
Never happened to me. Sorry.
Dio finds that inviting Than to parties... ahem, kills the mood. But Hypnos? Hypnos would probably be more chill.
jagged ermine
hypnos' parties are chiller
and sleepier
wait
omg
hypnos probably helps new parents with babies
hypnos loves babies
austere jacinth
I guess they do sleep rather a lot.
alpine fulcrum
elysium is so dang annoying
austere jacinth
I'd like to put Hypnos and Hermes in a room together. See what happens to the energy/mood. xDD
gusty slate
Probably both annoyed lol
austere jacinth
Charon as mediator? xDD
jagged ermine
Hermes: "Thanatos, buddy, how are--oh, you brought your brother"
Hypnos: "Hi!"
Hermes: "Heyyyyyyyy" checks arm "Youuuuuuu"
icy zephyr
so if I'm looking for specific fish do I ignore the ones I don't need or
austere jacinth
Hermes has ||been in cahoots with Charon forever. He's a psychopomp like Than too, so they've likely worked together. He'd at least know who Hypnos was xDD||
Nah, fish everywhere.
narrow hemlock
the previous convo lol 
karmic rapids
||Hard ver. Hydra|| was a suprise
timid hill
I just recalled a run i had back in March where this happened
https://i.imgur.com/bfyOdMa.jpeg
Has never happened again since, but uh
Artemis wasn't feeling very generous that day
karmic rapids
Fight was fun and new
narrow hemlock
hermes was associated with dreams, so they certainly could interact 0:
austere jacinth
See.
He's high energy, but he's... shockingly grounded.
Well... at least in one way xDD
jagged ermine
i feel like hermes and dionysus are the friendliest of the olympians
ares just wants thanatos to notice him sempai
(he is also simping hard for nyx)
narrow hemlock
there is no war without death, after all
austere jacinth
Unless Sisyphus gets involved.
narrow hemlock
i mean thats part of why sisy's been in tartarus for however long lol though i am disappointed they only make vague references to 'he did bad things' and never elaborated anywhere. they didnt even have to use the more unsavoury things he did, they could have just stuck with thanatos being humiliated and needing to be rescued bc he got tricked lol
would have also given more reason into ares inquiring how he's doing and just wrap the whole thing together neatly
austere jacinth
They do allude to it, and ||Than warns Sis away from Zag. So does Meg, I think. I would liked to have seen some resolution for Thanatos on that front though. Especially with Sis badmouthing him a couple of times.||
mellow pumice
I feel like ||companion mort||'s description should be different. It's around Zag, not in front of him
just made my soul catcher fight a lot harder after missing
narrow hemlock
i think you misinterpreted what i said a bit. they never mention any specifics. i did say they only vaguely reference whatever he did
west urchin
Hey guys, if I take a chaos gate, are it's options the same as those in the room I entered it?
Because I got a Daedelus hammer option, and I'm taking that over a chaos gate
west urchin
Sorry, I am referring to the room rewards inside the gate, not the chaos boons
austere jacinth
It'll change. I learned that the hard way. Same for Erebus
west urchin
ty stranger
shy tartan
how do i get aegis's hidden aspect?
anyone?
i know it has something to do with ||sinking 5 blood into the shield||
austere jacinth
||Sink the blood into the shield, but it has to be a non-Zag aspect. Then talk to Chaos.||
shy tartan
||ok i have like 3 blood in chaos form||
||do i need to level up chaos's bond or something as well?||
mellow pumice
no
quiet gull
You need five blood total in non-Zag aspects
While using the Chaos shield, meet Chaos and have him comment on the shield. After this, at any point, Chaos can give you the password. You dont need to have the shield on to be given the shield password
dark scroll
Not sure how it'll do vs the boss but double knockback, water black poseidon cast in act 4 is PINBALL heaven.
lavish briar
Question: are there emote packs of the in-game spirit emotes?
dark scroll
1 cast and instantly 20 dead rats.
gusty slate
Poseidon is king in Styx
shy tartan
how do i get him to comment on the shield
shy tartan
O
gusty slate
it might take a few runs for them to notice your weapon and comment
Once you get the comment, equip whatever weapon you please
patent trail
Finally gave in and bought Hades for the switch since I’ll be away from my computer for a while
stiff gust
What do i do with the orange liquid stuff from the boss
patent trail
||ambrosia is used for gifts after a certain amount of nectar (9 I think)||
stiff gust
Oh
Should i give the same person more then one necter
Like i give them more then one and dont get anything
patent trail
I would say give everyone one nectar first and then give your favorites more
Maybe not the gods
austere jacinth
Aww. I love the Olympians too.
jade dust
Hey guys, been playing the game for a while but I'm getting more into it cause I wanna speed run it. Have the devs have any talks of a practice mode where you can do custom battles vs enemies with a set of boon you pick just to test out at build effective ness?
stiff gust
I love how there is one obbvious charm to run with and the rest are eh
jade dust
@stiff gust you think so? what char you usually run?
twilit stone
You'll want to give the gods nectars after you got the epilogue
twilit stone
You will get a furniture upgrade that allows you to switch trinkets btw, so people usually use god trinkets on the first two domains to "shape" their build
stiff gust
Yea i can swap
twilit stone
Or just grab dodge buff, coins, damage buffs, etc
stiff gust
But like i invested all my purple stuff into death defiance
brisk trail
How to unlock the epilogue (no spoilers) Do I just Max out all character story lines?
jade dust
Skully? really now. I usually run broken spear cause I my main problem is always getting hit by some bs bust with that and having a ton of helo, skully item dont do it for me that much
twilit stone
@brisk trail do the last prophecy that says give the gods nectars to unfold prophecy or smth like that
stiff gust
Should i be doing the quests
jade dust
@twilit stone that makes sense, Idk why I never think to do that and just run one gods item the whole time
dark scroll
You should do everything.
stiff gust
Usually i just pick the same booms
jade dust
wait do dodge buff actually help? lol
dark scroll
Less damage = good.
stiff gust
I only attack
dark scroll
Staying alive = good.
stiff gust
Dont use special or cast or dodge attack
dark scroll
Well thats just limitting yourself.
dark root
Yeah
stiff gust
Its just a habbit
dark scroll
Said it before cast is probably the most damage you can safely apply in the game.
jade dust
what weapon yall usually use? I've been running bow with artimes boons and would like to try something that good
glacial vine
spear cuz prophecies
stiff gust
I like zeus and posiden best
jade dust
@dark scroll I whole heartly agree, cast helps me so much I got to get in the habit of using it more
dark root
Blade or gun
twilit stone
@jade dust using the feather on fists feels great, you can get at least extra 20% dodge by the time you hit styx
I know it prolly won't help much, but the timer kinda puts a soft benchmark on your performance
dark root
But I use every weapon
dark scroll
Bit of all at the moment. Now busy getting all the duoboons.
twilit stone
And it feels great
stiff gust
Hammer is soooo op
dark scroll
Sortoff as a weapon. ;p
glacial vine
alright it's official
glacial vine
i just need 2 more orange pot (forgot the english name), and i'll be done!
not ambrosia the others
dark scroll
Drugs.
glacial vine
haha
dark scroll
Wish you could reroll hammer upgrades. Maybe for 3 keys or so.
To keep it fair.
Would make it easier to get op combo's I guess.
jade dust
@stiff gust ooooh i feel dumb i forgot that was a thing lol
I'm about to try a bow zues and artemis run. wish me luck so far I only beat hades once lol
dark root
Love how shield can push your opponents to the lava in Asphodel
dark scroll
Can I see a total of times I beat the game easily without adding it all up?
gusty slate
At the end of arun I elieve
glacial vine
||the door at the bottom of the left alley||
dark scroll
So no. ;p
11+5+5+11+5+13
Bit higher then 50% succesrate then.
With previous knowledge from pc version that is.
dark root
I have gotten to like Elysium once, I'm so new lol
dark scroll
Well my numbers as i said arne't fully fair.
dark root
ok lol
dark scroll
7 days, 13 hours on the evil epic gamestore.
How do I see time on Switch? just says 100 hours or more.
dark scroll
I got it for like 5,63 when there was a global 10 euro discount.
jade dust
@dark root im glad you got it and are enjoying it
dark root
Hell yeah, I love it
dark scroll
300 hours in it and still going. Though a fair was before the game was even finished. ;p
dark root
If I bought it at full price it would've been worth it sill
jade dust
Hellz yaaaaa, brought if for a friend and he cant wait to play it
tawny pollen
Hey
glacial vine
yaaaaaaaay
i'm done with weapon prophecies
until i unlock last aspect of rail at least
tawny pollen
Did Ares always look like he did, I may be misremembering but didn’t he used to be paler with a tan stripe across the eyes
Like he’d been wearing his helmet all day?
tepid plover
Yeh
glacial vine
fml i have to try hard a run cuz i dumbly lost all my revives
and i have smth like +180% gems
solemn nest
So I'm getting looped dialogue with Sisyphus, Meg, and Hades, and I don't have the prophecy for Sisyphus yet. Is there something else I have to do?
opaque heron
Is Sisyphus at 6 hearts in the codex?
solemn nest
yep
opaque heron
Then just keep talking. It’s taking awhile to proc on my current save as well.
solemn nest
Will it give you non-exclamation mark dialogues when there are still exclamation mark dialogues to get? (I don't know what else to call them :/)
gusty slate
Hm, odd
May need another pre-req, has Thanatos said anything?
I feel like he comments
silver dagger
omg guys
I made it to the final floor
this is my longest run
phew wish me luck
civic bone
@silver dagger You got this!
bold forum
hey, I'm looking for the name of a song you can hear in Asphodel during boss fights or hard enemy encounters
it has these heavy, Black Sabbath-y guitars
gusty slate
is it "Through Asphodel" the later parts?
bold forum
i... don't know, I'm not sure
man i just wish I could link a video where it plays or something
gusty slate
around 5 minute mark if you look up the track on SGG's youtube has guitars... dunno if that's the one
Through Asphodel I mean
supple echo
Anyone know how to trigger the Ares related minor prophecy to show up? It's one of the only ones I haven't finished
silver dagger
oh crap i just met ||eurydice||
gusty slate
for Ares I had given as much nectar as possible, then it sorta just happened a few runs later
slender skiff
I reached the epilogue today. It was pretty satisfying.
||It's rare that a video game has not only a satisfying conclusion, but one that's this wholesome.||
||There's a line spoken by Persephone that I wish I'd heard earlier in my life: "How we speak to one another is even more important than the words we use."||
brisk trail
Spoiler question I was hoping someone might explain that I missed?
||How many hearts does everyone have and am I able to fully complete them?||
||Who is this him people keep talking about? I am not sure if I missed something or not.||
hardy escarp
I feel so bad for always siding against Athena but her trial is so ez
slender skiff
(I was going to post a screenshot, until I realized that we can't post images in this channel.)
austere jacinth
I can never feel bad about siding against Athena.
brisk trail
Connor, she is easy until she keeps ||Shielding the same Elysium guard in his ghost form||
austere jacinth
I do feel bad siding against Dio or Artemis though.
hardy escarp
@brisk trail ||They are varied, each character will have a large set of them and one has a lock. You can unlock this via a quest that is unique to each character.||
||As for "Him" I have no idea what you're talking about.||
brisk trail
||They reference a "him" character a few times but as far as I am aware never say his name. In the final part of the game Hades says that if Zeus finds out they will not be able to stop it or if he finds out(referencing someone different)||
austere jacinth
I don't recall that. ||I do remember Hades (and Persephone) being fearful Olympus would find out certain secrets, and engage in some form of warfare. But Zeus knows more than most Olympians on the matter of Persephone's whereabouts, and all three of them want to keep Demeter out of things at first.||
gusty slate
Might refer to ||whoever cast the curse on underworld beings? idk who did that so that they can't escape||
I'm not sure though
austere jacinth
||That's only Zag's curse.||
||Thanatos is up there most of the time (he just dislikes it), Hades can go up as he wishes, Nyx can go wherever she wants (and does) Charon seems to have no issue navigating the rivers above either. Zag's 'curse' (divine quirk?) is his own.||
brisk trail
Not sure where to ask this but is there a good way to farm nectar?
or is it literally just pounding out runs?
honest badger
||Doesn't Hades get weaker the nearer he is to the surface?|| I seem to remember him saying something like that to Zagreus before one of their fights.
flat vapor
using fated authority on blue laurel rooms, going dio for his nectar boon, going for troves (small chance to drop nectar), going for poseidon's sunken treasure boon (small chance to drop nectar)
flat vapor
trades, also
austere jacinth
Yeah, he's just become unused to it. However, he also ||says he fights as well as he did against the Titans in EM4.||
honest badger
He might be bluffing, but who knows
hardy escarp
||Zag isn't cursed by his birth, he's moreso cursed by the fates. After you beat the main quest, The narrator starts coming up with endings not involving being taken by the styx (Though recently that is the ending scene.) This means that Zag is just bound to the Underworld by the fates, not by a disease or anything.||
austere jacinth
I doubt it, given he ||says it in a shocked tone, after you beat him. He's literally dying as he says it. Questioning how Zag can be so strong.||
honest badger
Ah, good point.
true olive
Connormaan,|| I think that's just because those lines are from before the actual ending was implemented. Those are the lines that were placeholder lines during beta, right? I didn't play beta but that's the impression I got.||
austere jacinth
||Zag's birth (or at least, his subsequent revival) is in defiance of the Fates. I didn't play Early Access, but I do recall lines from Nyx and Perse that mention Perse being told she'd never have a child.||
hardy escarp
||Yes but those lines are still canon, they are still a part of the story. This means that the fates don't want Zagreus to leave, and that is why he really can't leave.||
austere jacinth
||Yep. His existence is bittersweet.||
hardy escarp
We probably should've taken this into #h1-story-discussion lol
brisk trail
I have developed the perfect strategy (so much to the point that I can look away from my switch, grab something, look back, and the boss (Theseus) is half dead, and has barely done any damage to me)
honest badger
What's the strat?
gusty slate
auto-revenge?
gusty slate
Hm, Athena deflect with attack taped down?
brisk trail
Twin fists, ||Gilgamesh||, hold down attack and dash, as many dash/revenge boons as possible (with Athena attack boon)
Good run with Chiron ruined when I selected Anvil, and got the slow-arse Explosive Arrow lol all 3 defiances gone vs Redacted
flat vapor
lol anvil
brazen stone
Hmm, is heat not a currency you accumulate? I'm still on low heat runs, but I only ever have 1-2 in the top corner - I can't even unlock the first podium thing in the weapons room
brisk trail
I'm starting to think the Codex fulfillment for Anvil isn't worth it. It ruined my runs more often than not lol
gusty slate
Heat is just a difficulty number
can turn it as high or as low as you want, it'll let you grind more too
brisk trail
I’m going to record a video of me using my strategy to beat REDACTED at 6 heat, and post it in spoilers
strange junco
question about rail hidden aspect || does lucifer's ramp damage reset when you switch targets without letting go of the trigger or does it keep ramping? ||
brisk trail
I also dub my strategy: no think ||Gilgamesh||
crystal jackal
||It resets the ramp on diff targets||
strange junco
Ok so the ramp is target specific
worn umbra
is there a unique voiceline for all of the olympians if you use their greater call after choosing a different one in a trial
tawny pollen
Is it possible to get a boon from all gods before fighting theseus? Bc he calls upon the god you haven’t got right?
quiet gull
Is it possible to get a boon from all gods before fighting theseus? Bc he calls upon the god you haven’t got right?
@tawny pollen No
lavish condor
Hi, Developers. Please, make this game last for many years. I’ll buy every single content
quiet gull
I have bad news for you...
lavish condor
Don’t u dare
quiet gull
They've literally never added content to games after release
gusty slate
Although they haven't denied or confirmed anything, chances are slim
quiet gull
I expect balance patches and tweaks for several months though
lavish condor
But, but... The possibilities for this game are infinite!!!
brisk trail
I finished REDACTED in 2 minutes and 51 seconds using my strategy “no think ||Gilgamesh||” (video in #h1-victory-boasting )
gusty slate
I mean yeah, but still up to them if they want to keep going xD
I suppose there's always modding
true olive
I believe they've said they're taking a break to decide what to do next, as a studio, right? Like they didn't strictly rule out more content for Hades but also said they considered the game complete and not to expect more content, I think?
gusty slate
Yeah, haven't confirmed or denied, but based on past history chances don't look so good
but this was also their first EA so who knows
One can hope
lavish condor
Duuuude, the game is finished. Adding new stuff, with that base story and rogue-like quality, is the easiest part.
gusty slate
It's easy on paper, but adding things like Gods will take forever
lavish condor
It’s like, adding syrup to a perfect cake
gusty slate
Gotta draw up new sprites, write up a ton of voicelines
lavish condor
It's easy on paper, but adding things like Gods will take forever
@gusty slate no need to go straight to new gods. Could work into new story lines, adding new weapons
I just don’t want the content to have an possible end
I’d play this for lifetime hahahah
A possible*
lavish condor
Yeah. That is an amazing job anyways.
true olive
It's hard for me because I really was into it for the story, even though I'm playing on normal and am up to 16 heat which I guess is alright for not playing for the challenge per se. I want to finish my achievements but... I'm out of story content. Even if they added weapons and gods and so on, like, I'd want more story to go with it.
lavish condor
For me, story is not the main. Obviously, that’s great, but I’m really into replay value. New combinations, bigger RNG, new monsters and challenges, some new features.
gusty slate
It's all possible yeah, since the game has so mch potential
true olive
Yeah, I'm really trying to muster up getting the last 5 steam achievements (stuff like maxing all my keepsakes) but. I got into it because of the story and characters and all the fanart on Twitter. I'm working on one fanfic and then that may be it for the game for me. 😅 I guess I'm hanging around hoping there's news about DLC or something, though.
When I used to play platformers more often, like say the first 3 Crash Bandicoot games with no actual story, I was really achievement oriented. But now that the characters have stopped saying new things to me I feel sad and miss them in this one. 😅
lavish condor
Hahahahaha I guess I’m just too much Binding of Isaac oriented. I like story, specially like the one Hades offers, but not so much.
gusty slate
I like the story, but once I get recycled lines I know that I've endured and built up a beautiful bond with that character
Their presence just reminds me how far we've come
lavish condor
It’s a hella work what the team did with this game. It’s beautiful in every aspect.
GOTY for me hahaha
true olive
It's a lovely game! I've had a great time with it. I haven't played Supergiant's other games yet but bought them on sale so I have that to look forward to.
indigo nest
Bastion
start with Bastion
It's really well made and has a good way of explaining certain in game mechanics
granite ether
@brisk trail 4th aspects are spoilers in this channel, please use spoiler tags
brisk trail
Oh, shoot, sorry (i forgot, and I don’t know how to do that on mobile)
granite ether
|| like this ||
flat vapor
||spoiler||
brisk trail
Thanks (also, sorry again)
flat vapor
not sure if /spoiler works on mobile though
brisk trail
I fixed them all
I think my strategy (which shall not be named) worked rather nicely all things considered
mossy lily
an under bridge troll approaches you
he proposes a riddle for your life:
"based, on what?"
gusty slate
granite ether
Based on a story
mossy lily
the troll proceeds to maul you
long field
Uh, Based on Facts and Logic?
sonic ridge
Based on deez
gusty slate
Acorn is a pretty good item
sonic ridge
acorn is great
exotic girder
are the possible relationships in hades mutually exclusive or are we a poly party here?
quiet gull
It's ancient Greece, which do you think it is?
dreamy briar
Devs were true to Ancient Greece is all I'll say
opaque nexus
acorn is pretty "poggers" as the children of this age often proclaim things to be
yes I am 17 shut up
dreamy briar
Acorn and Divine Protection is really good, hard to get but with them you'll probably only take like 2 or 3 hits from every boss except ||Dad||
opaque nexus
Divine protection is that the Athena legendary
dreamy briar
Yup
opaque nexus
I find that to be kind of underwhelming?
dreamy briar
Not as flashy as the other legendaries but still useful imo
opaque nexus
Nut gang
dreamy briar
Great with Pierced Butterfly
dreamy briar
There's actually a hidden keepsake that lets you go through the whole game without getting hit once
It's called ||Gitting Gud||
You'll need to progress through tons of the game to get it though
Personally I've yet to get it but it sounds dope
opaque nexus
Petition for speedrun.com mods to deny all runs submitted with acorn for November
dreamy briar
Heard that ||Sigil|| is being used a lot more actually
quiet gull
Heard that ||Sigil|| is being used a lot more actually
@dreamy briar Depends on the category, really
opaque nexus
Any heat yes
winter river
Anyone know how many hit points skelly has? I thought I had it figured out but my results are coming out inconsistent. Maybe I'm just losing count partway. Blitz disc finishes him at 870, but when I counted in tens hitting with one flourish arrow at a time, I got 910....
opaque nexus
He has infinite hp
winter river
false
opaque nexus
He keeps coming back to life
dreamy briar
Not even the wiki has Skelly's health info 
gusty slate
Guess it's something minor
dreamy briar
I mean how fast you kill Skelly isn't relevant to how good a weapon is usually, ||Eris|| takes a while to kill Skelly but is still busted in runs
gusty slate
Not even a true test yeah lol
dreamy briar
Is that worth a wiki edit then?
I guess I'll test it out for myself before doing it
gusty slate
if only I could look into the code 
remote forge
I wonder who Skelly was before dying
dry mauve
to see that its 900:
9 spear spins = 900 damage
skelly dies to the 9th spin
8 spear spins = 800 damage
5 fist attacks = 75 damage
2 rail attacks = 20 damage
skelly lives with a small amount of hp
dry mauve
so we know he has more than 895 hp and less than or equal to 900 hp
remote forge
If he's drank from the Lethe it wouldn't matter much.
dry mauve
you can probably assume its 900, given that an hp number like 897 would be really weird
remote forge
He has the Aspect of Gabagool and the Legendary boon of Tooooonyyyy though, boyo
short gate
Man, I cannot wait for Supergiants next game if they're moving on from Hades
I really hope they make something open-world, that would be so cool
alpine fulcrum
ok i finally won with poseidon sword
remote forge
Unlockable titan boss fights when you feed a weapon at least 20 blood total
They appear as special gates and are hard but reward you with special boons or something
There's plenty of ways to extend the game without totally busting the balance
Also I would love an Aspect of Red so I can have Zagreus wield the Transistor
alpine fulcrum
a boss fight where you have to get up on the hydra's back
i want to win with spear to get that out of the way
dreamy briar
Tested it out, 8 Spear spins (800) + 10 separate ||Lucifer|| ticks (10 each) resulted in killing Skelly
alpine fulcrum
is backstab build with spear really a thing
dreamy briar
I mean you'll wanna use casts with ||Achilles Aspect||, but my first win against Hydra was with spear and I mainly just spammed special
alpine fulcrum
ohh yeah that makes sense
lol i just got done with a cast build run i was kinda looking forward to not doing that again next time
dreamy briar
You don't have to use casts with spear, attack builds are solid too if you do them right
Tbh in the run that I won ||32 heat|| I barely used any casts with spear
alpine fulcrum
o damn
if you're doing that then you're like, good at the game, which is something i cannot factor into my own play yet
i feel like im going to put blood into achilles spear just to help my odds of winning with spear even though spear seems high on the "least liked weapons" list
delicate pilot
why do i even pretend that i can get through an area with an attack curse without reaching the boss before it ends
nimble jay
i got my first win with spear .
carmine ravine
I wonder who Skelly was before dying
@remote forge he told you at some point
delicate pilot
oh i got the gate so early there is no way i'll reach the boss before it expires and 50 other jokes you can tell yourself
ebon basin
First clear was also spear
Base spear with dash strike triple hammer
Art build
Fast room clear solid damage for bosses
carmine ravine
my first clear is with talose fist, demeter aphrofist
nimble jay
i used aspect of achilles with ranged special from memory
ebon basin
Im using ||beowulf|| rn and my bull rish is critring more than my actual casts
nimble jay
oh daaamn
nimble jay
OOOOOFT nice nice
ebon basin
And somehow got lucky with also getting faster charge speed
So im zoomin
Probably should've been smarty and just went dio cast
delicate ember
so how will updates and stuff work? will they like add a new area?
ebon basin
Art cast is kinda trash atm
nimble jay
i think they probably would? overtime yeah
carmine ravine
they probably wont
nimble jay
idm art's boons honestly
carmine ravine
art cast with fully loaded can land u loads of crits
carmine ravine
extra points if u have support fire and pressured points
ebon basin
I might just be bad with ||Beowulf|| then
Still cleared but i didnt have fun lol
I'll post the sketchy run in boast
carmine ravine
||beowulf|| not fit with certain casts sure
but with dio and ares the size is doubled
ebon basin
Gonna post in a sec, whats it mean when it says "the big five oh"
slate jetty
the big five oh is a victory title you get on your 50th clear.
carmine ravine
it deflect projectiles but with melee atks its basically nullifies them iirc
ebon basin
It sends the damage back on melee attacks as well
Divine dash on charon is clutch
one more theme to unlock
quiet gull
It sends the damage back on melee attacks as well
@ebon basin Are you certain? I dont think I've ever noticed this
carmine ravine
sitll hunting for woodland and infinity
ebon basin
@quiet gull for sure
I notice it mostly when fighting bosses
Its not something i think about
Just kinda happens
So uh
Do the title things start recycling in terms of the appearance?
I feel like ive already gotten the next one i can buy
I can finally see how many hours ive played ive gotten to 120 hours
carmine ravine
the prefix is a cycle, the suffix that increase when u get higher ranks
ebon basin
Nono
I mean the actual badge thats on your healthbar
Ik they seem to be 1 thats 2 colors before it changes but i feel like ive seen this particular one more than twice
carmine ravine
yeah that depends on the prefix, which is a cyle
its all cycles until the final rank: ||unseen one||
knotty karma
What else can I do with Cthonic Keys after unlocking everything in the mirror?
ebon basin
They're basically the 2nd tier of resources
U can turn them into necter through the broker
bitter needle
Hey does anybody know how Crystal Beam interacts with Bad News?
Does it just deal bonus damage cause technically the cast is never in the enemy?
slate jetty
yes
delicate ember
Now that I have beat the game I guess I talk here now
crystal jackal
Youve made it to the ||credits?||
alpine fulcrum
how does a 'cast build' work on bosses without poseidon sword exactly?
crystal jackal
Well just in case? Idk if its actually a spoiler but when I played I didnt know about it
shy tartan
poseiden call is broken tho
alpine fulcrum
yeah i beat the game with that already
now im intending to win with achilles spear using casts to maximize the buff
distant siren
dude the attention this game has been getting as of late is NUTS
alpine fulcrum
but it occurs to me that thats not going to amount to that much on bosses
shy tartan
||should i say up for an eribus gateway?||
wheat kayak
if it's something you want over the next chamber, why not
I'm not sure how Erebus boons are like (I assume boosted rarity) but other rewards like centaur hearts, obols etc have double strength
shy tartan
but what does it do?
wheat kayak
+50 health instead of +25, +200 instead of +100 obols, etc
However if you fail the Erebus challenge.. you will see
shy tartan
whats the challenge?
wheat kayak
no damage taken
Erebus mobs are usually armoured and Elysium mobs can appear sometimes
good luck
shy tartan
thanks
wheat kayak
I have only done ||5 heat|| and ||10 heat|| Erebus chambers thus far
shy tartan
also what are the best friendships to level up?
sorry for all the questions
buuuuuuut
wheat kayak
hmm I'd just gift nectar to everybody
Everybody has their keepsakes you can get after gifting them one nectar
Including the Olympians
spare ridge
also what are the best friendships to level up?
@shy tartan imo the best ones are your favorite characters
i give nectar to everybody of course but i like to focus on the characters i like most
wheat kayak
just follow your heart on this one yeah, it's more fun that way
carmine ravine
the best ones are the ||companions||
shy tartan
i got cerebus but it does nothing
wheat kayak
is the wikia still updated on boon progression
I want to check it without opening the game since you know on mobile
delicate ember
wait there are credits?
delicate ember
ah i have only won once
wait
i just realised
eventually imma have to do stuff with weapons other than shield
i don't know if i will be able to survive without the blocking
ebon basin
Divine dash
sharp fossil
you don’t have to use non shield
wheat kayak
divine dash is overrated change my mind
wheat kayak
and then the fates decide I will suffer the moment I turn on heat higher than 15 I bet
ebon basin
I have the most clears using divine dash so
sharp fossil
same
wheat kayak
Oh it's absolutely amazing
I was memeing really
But I don't strictly need it to win thus far
But then I haven't go further than ||FO1||
sharp fossil
yeah it shouldn’t be considered necessary ||outside of high heat stuff||
ebon basin
Im just saying if he likes sheild divine dash is what will help him feel more comfortable using other weapons
scenic quarry
Bug stuff, maybe spoiler?: ||idk if it's a bug that Theseus's spear toss can hurt the minotaur or not but it cost me a really solid run trying to get one to kill the other only for Thesus's to suddenly stop being able to hurt the
minotaur.||
sharp fossil
hunter dash and splash dash are both pretty solid as well
wheat kayak
that is true
shield is beginner friendly and I will not lie that's my most used weapon as well
ebon basin
Mines fists
sharp fossil
@scenic quarry ||theseus can hurt asterius (and vice versa) while charmed||
ebon basin
I keep trying differnt aspects but they're all so slow
wheat kayak
I have grown to really like Zeus shield after a ton of runs with Chaos, and also hidden shield is great
wheat kayak
scenic quarry
@sharp fossil ||I had no aphro boons tho, he couldn't have been charmed.||
wheat kayak
Divine Dash is my 8th most used
scenic quarry
nah, my boons were poseion, dio and artemis
wheat kayak
1st is actually.. Pressure Point
scenic quarry
is there a proper way to report it?
wheat kayak
and my fastest clear is at 21 minutes with hidden shield if you can believe it
sharp fossil
if you’re on PC, hit F10 in game to open the bug reporter
if you’re on switch, post in #h1-tech-support
my fastest clear is is 14:15 with hidden shield
it’s actually a speedrunning aspect
not a top tier one, but it can certainly go pretty fast
wheat kayak
It can deal disgusting amounts of damage with all 3 bloodstones on charge I guess
scenic quarry
i was just using that yeah, the hidden shield
sharp fossil
yeah and good AOE as well
scenic quarry
lvl 5 epic rarity artemis cast on it was nuking
sharp fossil
also i may have had more than 3 bloodstones for that sub 15...
it was 7 lol
redacted lasted less than a minute
carmine ravine
since when theseus and mino is spoilers
sharp fossil
you’re right there’re probably not
i’m trying to err more on the side of caution, as i keep forgetting to tag things lol
carmine ravine
my fav cast for hidden shield is dio, with 3 casts and dio/dem duo, instant 2k burst
sharp fossil
aphro or dio are prolly the best imo
carmine ravine
aphro base is 100 right
sharp fossil
at common i’m pretty sure it’s less than that
can’t remember the exact number, but it’s not ridiculously high; the advantage of it over dio is how much you can spam it
carmine ravine
i mean its hidden shield so i just loaded all 3 in one shot
wheat kayak
Not a big fan of Dio cast on hidden shield honestly
sharp fossil
with aphro you just pick em up and go again
wheat kayak
I had ran Artemis and Poseidon on them thus far and also Ares
- Snow Burst
Snow Burst for hidden shield is incredibly powerful
sharp fossil
dio is probably better with stygian soul, aphro for infernal
snow burst with seven casts made rat rooms in styx a joke lol
bright lance
got my fastest and most fun run today using zeus cast on poseidon sword with exit wounds and Mirage shot, needless to say it was "press cast to decimate the entire field" lol
wheat kayak
Cast to me is either build around it or just ignore entirely and only have a cast boon just so Styx boons don't offer you a cast and take up space
sometimes fire it at a miniboss/boss for boiling blood
carmine ravine
if i dont build for cast, ill always takes dio with stygian
bright lance
I feel like cast builds can be stronger than entire weapons like the shield and fists
the damage output is just really good, especially with zeus/artemis/poseidon casts
wheat kayak
Zeus is just cheating
tough silo
Artemis casts can be crazy if you can get more crit chance and more crit damage
wheat kayak
you take enough of his passives and any primary Zeus primary skill will output absurd amounts of damage
I always end up with a supercharged thunder dash if I didn't take Zeus on attack/special/cast
bright lance
I have yet to get the artemis legendary yet, so I haven't even experienced a true OP cast build LOL
the max casts i have ever had is 4, I hope I can get a 7 cast run someday
carmine ravine
for what
bright lance
is the achilles aspect spear or poseidon sword better for general cast builds?
i haven't tried achilles yet, but his damage is 150% vs 50% from poseidon, but I can imagine bosses might be annoying if you can't dislodge using posiedon and you don't have a hermes boon for getting them back faster
carmine ravine
have u tried chiron stead
wheat kayak
I actually have more success with cast builds on anything but the dedicated cast build arms
it's weird
carmine ravine
wdym, poseidon is one
sharp fossil
achilles is better for casts which don’t stick; like ares/demeter/dio
for casts which do stick, poseidon is competitive
bright lance
oh yeah makes sense
I usually prefer all the sticky casts so i'll probably stick with poseidon
glacial vine
any specific daedelus effect?
carmine ravine
depends i guess, if ur good, u probably can do triple hazard bomb eris
glacial vine
okok, maybe i'll give it a shot later then
but i don't see why rail would be faster than any other weapon bc of the reload
but i guess i'm wrong haha
sharp fossil
that 75% damage boost is crazy
hammer wise, rocket bomb is the big one iirc
allows you to net the bonus faster, rather than waiting for your mortar to land
wheat kayak
Quick discussion has it ever been revealed what the Underworld/Hades' sigil represents
The two pronged looking thing
sharp fossil
prolly don’t go hazard bomb on eris lol
honestly i never really thought about that
huh
idk
bright lance
how exactly do you absorb your blast for the buff with rocket bomb? Do you just have to shoot the wall or stand really close to enemies before firing?
quaint wind
carmine ravine
yeah be inside the rocket blast, basically treat it like a shotgun @bright lance
round herald
is there switch/pc cross-save yet?
nimble jay
no not yet 😭
pure barn
Hopefully soon!
nimble jay
yes i think the scheduled release for it is november? or thats the plan!
winter pike
I just started playing tonight and I was wondering how long it took you guys to beat Meg ? :''')
latent jetty
First try 
the only fight i had trouble for like 20ish attempts was the 3rd boss
not gonna say name to prevent spoilers
real fossil
got completely destroyed first 3 times meeting her lmao tbh
wheat kayak
I dabbled in the game a bit before 1.0 so I can't remember
It definitely wasn't first try
By the time I reinstalled recently, yeah first try
latent jetty
i think i just had some really strong boons and i got lucky because she gives me some trouble still randomly
wheat kayak
I think I joined a bit before they added Elysium
unkempt sleet
The first time I played it was around try number 5-6 I think
wheat kayak
I think I took around that much or more when I first played yeah
winter pike
I'm on my 3rd attempt in rn
latent jetty
everyone takes a bit of time eurydice eventually you'll plow through everything :)
unkempt sleet
On my new savefile it was second try
real fossil
dont worry eurydice took me pretty long to finish my first ever clear
winter pike
Pog okeee
latent jetty
took me like 40ish deaths to get my first clear :P
unkempt sleet
Meg is the new player wall
wheat kayak
Fwiw I had to turn on god mode to even had a chance of winning
real fossil
learing the movesets takes everyone diff times just focus learning 🙂
wheat kayak
When they added that to the game
unkempt sleet
Then it's T&A
real fossil
took me 49 attempts for my firsy clear
wheat kayak
I farmed god mode for like a dozen runs
latent jetty
i hate T&A
wheat kayak
Got it to like 88%
real fossil
i hate T&A
@latent jetty god same
winter pike
Also speaking of my tag, Achilles mantioned Orpheus do they just mention Orpheus & Eurydice or do they have any in game counterparts
unkempt sleet
Isn't there a 80% cap on god mode?
latent jetty
That seems broken broken xD
unkempt sleet
They very much are in game
latent jetty
i expected the cap be like 40ish
winter pike
POGGIES
novel wasp
i mean its there for people who cant beat the game lmao
novel wasp
ofc its broken
wheat kayak
It's 20% now
latent jetty
true
novel wasp
now i will challenge yall
unkempt sleet
Oh you count down
novel wasp
beat fresh run
unkempt sleet
I count the damage resistance so it starts at 20 and goes up
latent jetty
honestly i love that they added god mode for people who struggle because honestly alot of these cool games get overlooked because they cant get far
How fresh we talking?
real fossil
ya this is like my second ever roguelike
unkempt sleet
beat fresh run
@novel wasp beat at run 8 on my second savefil3
novel wasp
First attempt on any new save
real fossil
so it's nice to see the god mode option
latent jetty
oof
real fossil
but yknow im a masochist so i never touched it
novel wasp
i think someone did it and the game is actually trying to stop you from doing that by making it substantially harder
winter pike
Have u guys played roguelike games before ? This is my first time playing one tbh so I'm sure that doesn't help LOL
novel wasp
so they made it harder
wheat kayak
I did Brigador, Synthetik before
latent jetty
gungeon, binding of isaac and a few mobile games similiar
unkempt sleet
I played DC, Slay the Spire, and Isaac
wheat kayak
Traditional roguelikes like uhh Cogmind, DCSS never even close to winning
real fossil
the only one i did before was moonlighter
winter pike
Zamn yea I'm sure my inexperience doesn't help lol
real fossil
recommend it too
novel wasp
Synthetik is just
wheat kayak
Rip
real fossil
moonlighter was my first roguelike
winter pike
I'm honestly astonished at how beautiful the characters designs and art are in this game
Deserves the hype
real fossil
n i appreciated the fact that u didnt have to go thru all bosses in one run
wheat kayak
Roguelite experience doesn't quite translate well between games anyway @winter pike
real fossil
but ya hades def myfav rn
wheat kayak
Not for Hades
winter pike
And the 3D modelling is insane considering the models are so small in game
ah gotcha
wheat kayak
If anything you'd probably feel more at home if you are familiar with hack n slash games
unkempt sleet
Hades is different, you have a lot more meta progression than in other games
wheat kayak
I mean it has a metaprogression to begin with
unkempt sleet
It is basically a hack&slash progression system but the game is rouguelike
wheat kayak
So that's going quite far down the roguelite category
winter pike
Interesting
wheat kayak
The other game I know of that does this is what, Rogue Legacy?
Never played it though
winter pike
Honestly I'd say the thing I appreciate most is the character interaction and lore/story aspect tbh cause I'm a nerd for that sort of thing
real fossil
same
huge greek myth nerd here lol
loved the concept when i chanced upon it on steam
novel wasp
lately ive been into gunfire reborn as a roguelike
unkempt sleet
Rogue legacy does have that too, but the game is a lot more random
novel wasp
it has poor mandarin to english translation granted made by a hong kong studio
winter pike
Yeee I'm an anthrologist so anything that has to do with mythology is my fav
novel wasp
but the gameplay is somewhat solid
unkempt sleet
Hades gives you more consistent rewards
novel wasp
or boy g u n g e o n
@wheat kayak wanna play a roguelike that gives you depression over the course of the game lmao
its called "darkest dungeon" :)
unkempt sleet
Spoilers man
novel wasp
@winter pike 🔫 deletdis
wheat kayak
I have low tolerance for more traditional roguelikes tbh 
winter pike
No 💗
wheat kayak
One day
novel wasp
You are literally breaking rules
winter pike
Oh :''')
unkempt sleet
I call her spoilers because she's spoilers
winter pike
What I meant to say is
unkempt sleet
And also because redacted is taken
latent jetty
redacted is taken? why not just call it Redacted 2 LUL
winter pike
YOOOOOO || REDACTED ||
wheat kayak
Redacted (2)
novel wasp
YOOOO REDACTED COPY
unkempt sleet
No it less funny
wheat kayak
Copy_of_Redacted.txt
knotty marten
is it really a spoiler if ||expunged|| is mentioned like 2 minutes into the game?
novel wasp
YOOOO OLD WOMAN
winter pike
YOOOOOOO P
novel wasp
Y
novel wasp
YOOOO PPAP
winter pike
Mfw I'm bad at video game
unkempt sleet
Everyone is much older than Zag
wheat kayak
Age is a funny concept when everybody you know is immortal
Just that some more than others
novel wasp
SOUJA BOI YOOOOO
winter pike
Do they pop up based on # of deaths or how much u complete
wheat kayak
Not really
But they will comment on certain parts of your progression
And some storylines can only be reached by completing the game at least once iirc, for example
Not number of deaths
winter pike
But like the dream scene for example like does that come up randomly or?
unkempt sleet
I don't know, I feel like flashbacks are number of deaths related but they might be related to progression
wheat kayak
There's some prerequisites for them probably but it's random as to when they come up
knotty marten
there is some sort of queue for dialogue. I had to wait for eternity to finish sisyphus' quest because there was always more urgent dialogue for meg and nyx
winter pike
Gotcha
Or like uuhh the new ability I just got
Poseidon was like yo ring me up homie
novel wasp
ocean man has entered the chat
unkempt sleet
That's definitely number of deaths related
latent jetty
Ocean man 
unkempt sleet
Every god can give you one from now on
unkempt sleet
Go in it
latent jetty
to be fair
novel wasp
uh oh sisters
latent jetty
i didnt see one of those for a long while
winter pike
I went in lol
unkempt sleet
They're at run 5 man
unkempt sleet
But they got the flashback
latent jetty
that god is gonna come tickle your toes for calling him that eury
watch out when you go to sleep tonight
novel wasp
wait then did they mention the sissypuss quest is not that one quest?
winter pike
Uh is the fact that I have not got him bad
Like I said I'm bad at video game
I guess
winter pike
SKSNHAJAAKAKANA
unkempt sleet
You'll get more chances to see them
novel wasp
uh oh sisters
vapid pollen
They’re fabulous!
novel wasp
they give mid fings to every single enemies regret the fact that you have their boon
for example
tsunami machine gun kidney stones
winter pike
LMAO EHAT
winter pike
also woopies I'm from California so force of habit to call everyone dude
unkempt sleet
Chaos is a they
winter pike
Chaos is agender
latent jetty
oh thats right
unkempt sleet
they are in fact Chaos
winter pike
LOL
Also do most weapon choice typically just come down to individual play style or are some weapons objectively better than others
real fossil
hmmm im inclined to say it's based on playstyle and boon choices
tepid plover
is your choice
real fossil
but there r some weapons that just get rlly godly
tepid plover
all of them are godly with the right boons
latent jetty
but sometimes you get straight garbage
real fossil
there r some where u can play pretty mindlessly
novel wasp
@winter pike if you can abuse it the right way, you will be able to abuse the enemies into submission
except eris, i still need to find a way for it to god damn work
tepid plover
eris is the go to when speedrunning
novel wasp
i prefer ||lucy's ||laser ramp up which got me faster in 19 min
winter pike
I don't know what either of those mean 😀
unkempt sleet
Good
winter pike
Good
oops
I'm kinda loving how much content this has
Like I ask questions and instantly get 5 answers about things I haven't unlocked yet
vapid pollen
For now just play and have fun. Learning mob and boss mechanics will help more for now that which weapon you choose. Range may give you more time to react as you do.
winter pike
Based
unkempt sleet
Generally shield is recommended for new players because it can block but anything else is preference
winter pike
Yeah I was gonna say
Range definitely gives more time to think and learn each enemies move set
novel wasp
also utilize all your skills
novel wasp
combo your strike along with your special then a cast
novel wasp
theres, a lot of things you can do with all the weapons
unkempt sleet
I still haven't got around bow unless it's bow 4
real fossil
bow 4 i find to be pretty fun tbh
unkempt sleet
Just spam special and you'll be fine
real fossil
ya spam special HAHAHAHA
novel wasp
i pride myself for able to rapid powershot
real fossil
and get like ares or dionysus on it or smthng
latent jetty
the one time you save money to buy a diamond it doesnt spawn
novel wasp
and the bow 4 just say "nah~"
mystic kernel
Bow is way more fun for me when i find the weapon upgrade that makes it rapid shoot
knotty marten
buy blood then
novel wasp
yeah blood isnt that bad lmao
latent jetty
i know xD
real fossil
RAPID SHOOT WAS god tier when i fist tried out the game
novel wasp
its not
winter pike
I despise doomstones
novel wasp
which doesnt even matter
mystic kernel
But it fast
novel wasp
the haha im gonna burn my q key bow
real fossil
doomstone is hard for certain weapons like bow non4-rail and shield
mystic kernel
Its really up to play styles lol
novel wasp
if you can rapid powershot consistently like me you find those a problem
especially when you dont even have a pointer now to point where you shoot
mystic kernel
Oh i don't know what the controls are like without a controller
winter pike
Oof
latent jetty
i played with controller from the start because i heard how bad it was on pc losing your pointer or the awkward button pressing at times
real fossil
im pretty used to pc controls now i guess im just used to not losing my cursor
latent jetty
i've always liked the freedom of movement with analog stick for roguelike games
winter pike
Oh also what's the benefit of gifting to gods
real fossil
first time, they give u a keepsake
unkempt sleet
"But don't expect anything when you gift more nectar boyo!" -Skelly
latent jetty
skelly is great
real fossil
some do tho but i dont wanna spoil lol
winter pike
Skelly is a g
real fossil
SKELLYS PROPHECY MADE ME SO MAD NGL HAHAHAHA
unkempt sleet
Gift one nectar to everyone first
novel wasp
true ending: zagreus has obtained an AK
unkempt sleet
Then gift nectar to friends
winter pike
Oke
real fossil
nah always gift to cerberus cuz he a good boy
novel wasp
it shoots friendly rubber bullets full of rainbow of friendships
unkempt sleet
But mostly Artemis
real fossil
jk dont listen to me im just soft for dogs
winter pike
WAIT U CAN GIFT TO CERBEEUS???
unkempt sleet
Yes
winter pike
omg
novel wasp
yes
winter pike
Pubbby. . .
unkempt sleet
Hus keepsake is very good
novel wasp
you can gift to the goodest of boys
unkempt sleet
Also remember to pet him
real fossil
ALWAYS PET CERBS
winter pike
I always pet him
novel wasp
:)
unkempt sleet
Good
brisk trail
So hard to farm blood....
real fossil
also achievements ❤️ HAHAHAHA
ya when i was starting out i was so pissed at how hard obtaiing blood was
unkempt sleet
Blood is scarce until you beat redacted
real fossil
but ya thunder's right
brisk trail
Boi, i want all the weapons' aspect...but that's so hard to find blood
novel wasp
or you can always trade the excessive ambrosia for the blood
brisk trail
True
novel wasp
ambrosia dont see much use in early game
i recommend use 10 of them for your headstart in order to get more blood
also abuse the damn broker
brisk trail
Where is it ?
novel wasp
in the cafe
brisk trail
Oh yeah
unkempt sleet
And prophecies, don't forget prophecies
real fossil
the guy near the employee of the century thing
real fossil
tbh ya
brisk trail
EVEN THE SPEAR
real fossil
spoilers bro
real fossil
redacted
brisk trail
what's the command
novel wasp
or else I will purge you