what do you mean? Like change in the next run?
#h1-discussion
dusty spade
weary urchin
seed always changes if you die or win
brave spade
Ye I meant maybe dev team made it so people dont abuse to get some wanted boon at the start
Got it thanks
gusty slate
I mean, you can setup the first boon most of the time
leaden patio
One message removed from a suspended account.
queen wharf
Does Boiling Blood get a larger bonus for more Bloodstones, or is it more an on/off sorta thing
gusty slate
thought it was an on/off thing yeah, doesn't stack
queen wharf
That's what it looks like, thanks
copper pond
yeah it's on/off
gusty slate
imagine if abyssal blood stacked now lul
queen wharf
Ah lol
thorn tendon
Re: certain thing with Hermes and Charon, ||How do you beat Charon in a fight twice? Does it have to be in the same run, or different runs? And how do you get his fight bag to show up, is it going to his store before the last room in a level?||
crude leaf
it can be between any runs, as long as you dont die in the fight
the bag is always random and never appears if its the last room of the level
thorn tendon
ah okay, so deffo visit him if it's NOT the last room if one wants to do this
crude leaf
exactly
thorn tendon
(and better to visit in Elysium bc moar boons)
austere jacinth
I gotta do that too. I keep... not attempting it xDD
thorn tendon
that's a paddlin 😛
crude leaf
its not as hard as i thought
thorn tendon
I'll probably end up god moding it if I just want to finish the prophecy
thorn tendon
Main thing about him is ||he hits like a truck, but he's very... very... slow... and telegraphs very big||
austere jacinth
I just feel bad picking a fight. xDD
tepid plover
is the exact same fight regardless of where you find it, so yeah elysium is the wisest choice since youre stronger
thorn tendon
it happens (a lot)
stiff gust
I sttuggle with the minator
thorn tendon
Awww, Charon spawned in Elysium before end room, but without his money sack
brisk trail
End rooms never have it, only mids
Just incase
Wait aren't you like guaranteed at least one mid-shop every region
austere jacinth
I'm not sure. You're not guaranteed the opportunity to, ahem, borrow.
plucky rampart
The only way I know how to play spear is with the hidden aspect special.
what does that say about me as a person
finally cleared heat 2 with it
😆
tender swift
I got a run with the triple dash attack with a zeus attack. It was much zap zap.
tepid plover
tender swift
And another one with a hammer boon where your special richocets, so it's like playing shield with special
austere jacinth
I love Achilles Spear. Both because zoom and also because Achilles ❤️
young shore
Mai waifu loves the Achilles spear. I hate the dash. I tried it a few times and I thought you got iFrames on the dash. Turns out ya don't.
So I'm Hades spear for life.
silent oriole
Sorry if this doesn't belong here. Tips on the final boss fight with extreme measures are turned on? On the last phase, the lights turn off and I legitimately cannot see anything that is happening or tell what's going on.
young shore
He's doing the same stuff he always did.
His summons in p1 are the hard part of EM Dad.
well... and he's healing. But that's just an invitation to stab him in the butt.
(also not sure if spoilers)
The darkness (ha) is just a check on whether or not you know his patterns.
silent oriole
Ah, okay. Thank you. I should have mentioned I don't have great eyesight as it is so everything in that last phase is just a dark blurb. Think I'll skip EM dad fights from now on then.
young shore
You can always wait for him to come to you.
vague hornet
Hey guys not sure what's happening with my game. I maxed out the ambrosia to Meg and when i go to talk to her my screen turns black and I hear whipping sounds. Im unable to fight and then im teleported to my room?
bold forum
just bought the game. it's so fun!
while it's definitely meant for a wider audience than Bastion, Transistor and Pyre, it still keeps that wonderful artistic quality i praise Supergiant Games games for.
tepid plover
Welcome to the house of Hades and thanks for dying!
young shore
You should probably die a few times before you come to this place. It really is better if you play your first 30+ deaths blind.
And even that is spoilers
untold rapids
Oh hoh, putting the test branch updates in the discord is a good way to drive discord engagement
bold forum
yeah i'm not gonna chat here much for now, just wanted to say i love the game and SG seems to have succesfully continued the perfect streak of games that are either a 9 or a 10/10 to me.
young shore
It is the perfect action-roguelike-dating-and-home-renovation sim.
austere jacinth
And fishing
young shore
SPOILERS
untold rapids
ah, language filter bot
young shore
(I kid)
untold rapids
Good to know
young shore
The profanity bot and I are already enemies.
slender skiff
I just want to take this moment to say that the Epic Game Store is incredibly badly designed.
Or maybe not badly designed, as much as very lacking in features and content.
If Epic really wants to compete with Steam, how about giving me a way to see my achievements without opening the game?
vague hornet
oh snap
sweet basin
Talk trash about Dusa one more time.....
woven cipher
is the game dialogue/text available anywhere in the game files? I want to make sure I don't miss any content 😄
craggy ruin
I clicked the hades in my game list and it took me to the community and I got the epilogue spoiled for me 🙂
austere jacinth
That sucks
tepid plover
F
toxic mesa
Oh hay there
austere jacinth
Hi
tepid plover
hey carnage
simple lily
has there been news on the cross save stuff?
tepid plover
anyone else likes to play final expense in the house, go beat skelly and pretend they are fighting ||charon||?
no?
just me?
steep elm
bitter needle
Wdym zagreus being alpha male 👀
tepid plover
indigo canopy
is there a wiki page for all contractor upgrades and their prices?
toxic mesa
Hehe Heya Dio
tender swift
anyone else likes to play final expense in the house, go beat skelly and pretend they are fighting ||charon||?
LOL What
indigo canopy
all the time
indigo canopy
how come the wiki says the table of entertainment is 110 gems yet in game its 430 gems?
agile saddle
so in all art of the game Hades has rings on yet in game he has no rings on.
i thought maybe with release they would add that but sadly no. why make all art with rings on yet his model different?
tepid plover
the wiki is ran by people like you and me, if they update something, it might take some time for someone to notice and update it @indigo canopy
indigo canopy
the wiki is ran by people like you and me, if they update something, it might take some time for someone to notice and update it @indigo canopy
@tepid plover i just went and fixed it there on the wiki
austere jacinth
Dio's too chill to care about being alpha. Zag is too kind.
tepid plover
austere jacinth
Also, Hypnos is FINALLY MY FRIEND. Everyone loves me~ xD
gusty slate
Alecto doesn't love me, infact I'm ||not her type||
austere jacinth
She's not allowed in the House anyway.
indigo canopy
i wonder whats the total amount of materials you need to 100% hades, all contractor upgrades, friendships, mirror upgrades, ||aspect|| upgrades, ||badges, themes|| and so on
austere jacinth
I hope I never get there. More game forever xDD
gusty slate
I mean, you can play without the stuff, but it'll be a sad day when I start getting recycled dialogue
Completely recycled*
austere jacinth
I'll just play through it ALL OVER AGAIN.
blazing narwhal
opaque nexus
this is like the meme of the guy sweating and trying to choose which button to pick https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/PawYuQkikl5oMDWH0FAJsFmvYbIPBs3m5ECuG2a26cE/https/pbs.twimg.com/media/Ek4zlqZXEAEbzfd.jpg%3Alarge
Yes hades but also risk of rain 2
gusty slate
Was just about to google
dark root
I also never played rof2 but seems like a good game
tepid plover
seems fun, just not my type, dont like those graphics
indigo canopy
32,585 gems, 133 diamonds and 388,507 darkness, 316 titan blood, 50 nectar, 70 ambrosia, 389 chthonic keys
this accounts for house contractor work, the mirror of night, weapons and ||their aspects||, ||themes||, ||badges|| and ||companions||
(these arent 100% accurate probably)
(does not include the 5-6 nectar + ambrosia per affinity gauge bc thats too much work)
damn
that took me too long
gusty slate
Hm, so it'll take me a year
delicate ember
I'm considering getting Hades. How good is it? is it worth the money? What is it like? will it go on sale for halloween?
tepid plover
I'm considering getting Hades. How good is it?(very good) is it worth the money?(absolutely) What is it like?(probably the best roguelite) will it go on sale for halloween?(most likely)
austere jacinth
I think it's already on sale on the Epic store atm?
tepid plover
god i keep forgetting epic exists
dark root
I bought it that way lol
austere jacinth
Wherever you get it, Hades is worth way more than its what it's priced at.
dark root
Even though anyway, the 15 dollars are worth it for me
tepid plover
hades is totally worth more than the 25 bucks lol
indigo canopy
Wherever you get it, Hades is worth way more than its what it's priced at.
@austere jacinth facts
dark root
But you might get more information that might get you to buy the game by full reviews
ember flame
@indigo canopy But ||one theme is 200 keys|| 🤔
ember flame
👍🏻 Appreciate the work! I’ve been curious.
hybrid gazelle
I would definitely pay more than full price for hades
it's so many hours of content
austere jacinth
It's really awesome.
tired merlin
so I got dio's strong drink boon and it upgraded at eurydice's place from epic to heroic but now it's giving me 0% bonus damage
indigo wyvern
I found a text glitch
mellow pumice
lol i just found a broken interaction that actually kills your run
when you have ||beowulf|| and pick Crush Shot, the bloodstone doesnt spawn
tepid plover
report it
mellow pumice
on it
tepid plover
mellow pumice
literally sending the report right now
just thought id let whoever reads that know too so they dont pick it up
for now, ill just try and wash it off asap
dark root
Great, hope you like it
gusty slate
Passion flare works for me hm, must've been an interesting bug
delicate ember
oh yeah and i know basically nothing about Hades other than it is meant to be really good
so it will be completely blind
mellow pumice
it IS really good
vague flicker
i need an opinion guys
dark root
Go on
vague flicker
who is the cutest hades character in your opinion
dark root
oh
gusty slate
Boyo
austere jacinth
Cutest in what sense?
vague flicker
cutest in appeals to you most etc.
austere jacinth
That's tricky.
mellow pumice
asdbjashbda
tired merlin
that's a hard choice
gusty slate
No, should've been flare xD
mellow pumice
its supposed to be REPLACED by flare
tired merlin
but I think hypnos is the cutest
mellow pumice
YEA
gusty slate
I had to take a double take when I read what you said
austere jacinth
For just plain cuteness, Cerberus.
mellow pumice
its the Thanatos for me
tired merlin
he's the greatest boy
gusty slate
<---
dark root
Cerberus has it easy, he a cute dog
vague flicker
Bouldy is also very cute
mellow pumice
well yes bouldy romance route is of course the first one
i automatically thought you meant "second cutest next to bouldy"
austere jacinth
Thanatos is gorgeous (as is pretty much everyone) but he's outclassed in terms of 'cute' xD
vague flicker
LMAO
tender swift
He (Cerberus) is a
a very very very very very good boy.
gusty slate
Asterius is cute.
tired merlin
hermes and artemis are also cute
vague flicker
i also think the shades can be cute, like the one shade in elysium
the one specifically in the arena
dark root
I haven't gotten to elysium yet
tired merlin
your biggest fanshade is the best shade
vague flicker
yeah!
gusty slate
gusty slate
vague flicker
tired merlin
when you motivate teh shades in the office
vague flicker
yes!
austere jacinth
The shades are cute, yeah.
vague flicker
gusty slate
Most controversial cute... the cat chariots
austere jacinth
Although Achilles is my fave shade. He pulled at my heartstrings. I needed to help him out.
Also, the cat chariots are cute, but they are also EVIL. Although perhaps not as evil as butterflies
tired merlin
I've been weak for patroclus forever
especially after reading the illiad and song of achilles
vague flicker
achilles is a sweetheart, love that mans
austere jacinth
Patrochilles is the OG OTP. It got Classical philosophers arguing over who takes what position.
hazy ivy
I can totally imagine that
vague flicker
y e s
austere jacinth
No, it legit happened
gusty slate
Now I need Achilles/Patty boss fight #3 variant
austere jacinth
Plato argues that Achilles is Patrocles Eromenos (the bottom).
tired merlin
the important discussion in class
austere jacinth
||I was just happy I could reunite them. <3||
tired merlin
||I was so worried that patroclus had drank from the lethe at some point||
austere jacinth
The voice acting is top notch across the board. Really stellar work.
tired merlin
the voice acting is so good in this game
austere jacinth
||Oh god, I'd cry if Pat had given in to that. T.T||
tired merlin
I think it would be neat if we could run into odysseus at some point
vague flicker
hades 2018 oscar nominations pls
tired merlin
and also punch him
austere jacinth
I'd love to see Odysseus too. Although he's probably too smart to get involved with all these gods again. What a hassle xDD
brisk trail
I am a bit confused? How do I increase hearts after the first one? Is there any benefit to doing so?
vague flicker
more health i guess is a benefit lol
slender skiff
Just keep giving nectar.
gusty slate
Just gotta keep gifting 
?
vague flicker
OOPS SORRY
gusty slate
Sometimes can't gift because they're interacting with someone else
but should be able to do so next run or whenever they're free
slender skiff
As for the benefit, it's how you advance each character's storyline.
austere jacinth
Make friends with everyone... and become more than friends with one or two!
gusty slate
Building bonds is good, some have more to their bonds
brisk trail
Oh, I misunderstood when the game said you don't get any benefits after the first one!
slender skiff
All of them have rewards, in the form of prophecies. A few of them have a special reward.
brisk trail
Thank you folks
gusty slate
I think some are tied to prophecies too
austere jacinth
Story and character = best benefits imo.
brisk trail
Tell me no more :3
tired merlin
elysium is so beautiful I've been taking so many screenshots
austere jacinth
||Elysium is pretty, but taking Zag to see his first sunrise... T.T SO MANY SCREENS||
tired merlin
oh yeah that;s a good point
I mostly want to incorporate elements of elysium's flooring into my ac island
bright lance
@tired merlin if you ever end up making an elysium theme island send me some screenshots LOL that sounds really awesome
tired merlin
I'll make sure to share in the fanworks area
spring ferry
acoustic narwhal
very very quick question
i’ve gotten up to elysium and lately i haven’t been seeing chaos???? does chaos leave for a period of time or do chaos gates randomly open??
tired merlin
random seed same with the god boons
not sure if wearing their gift spawns gates though
viral bane
It's so hard to finish my trout entry on my codex 
I've done non perfect catches on purpose for the past 3 Greece fish and literally gotten bass each time
tiny grove
game knows you're trying to game it
tired merlin
what is a perfect catch?
viral bane
When you press the catch button as soon as the fish bites, it guarantees a rare fish and gives a chance at a legendary
gusty slate
Less than 0.34 second: Perfect catch message on the top of your screen. Guaranteed to catch a Rare fish. a fair RNG chance to catch a Legendary fish
stable canopy
Does higher heat mean more darkness from bosses?
hybrid gazelle
I still haven't caught a single legendary 💀
ripe dirge
Just wanted to say I just got this game and it is awesome
sharp fossil
you’re not wrong
Does higher heat mean more darkness from bosses?
@stable canopy it doesn’t; only loot effect of heat is the bounties
simple lily
has there been news on the cross save stuff?
simple lily
just wonderrring
ive played it a bunch on switch
and would love to be able to swap
stable canopy
Cool, so just farm heat 0 or em2 for darkness
Yeah same. On cross save, would love to eb able to use the rail special on mkb
sharp fossil
dunno how y’all play rail on controllers lol
ebon basin
I like my switch tbh
stable canopy
Easy, we don't.
sharp fossil
lol fair
stable canopy
Whenever I use rail I build for attack, and ignore special. It's too fiddly to use effectively during fast paced combat.
Slower boss fights sometimes
gusty slate
It's some extra damage
granite ether
||companions|| are spoilers in this channel as an fyi
gusty slate
does it stun normal enemies?
granite ether
so spoiler tags please @versed marten
sharp fossil
|| i don’t use fidi much tbh, but from what i’ve heard her main utility is in rooms, as opposed to boss fights (where most of the other companions shine)||
sharp fossil
two of these || on either side of the comment
granite ether
|| like this ||
sharp fossil
^
novel wasp
@sharp fossil|| if you want a good balance just take shady, its equal utility and damage and since no other companion can actually fight dad||
sharp fossil
@novel wasp ||I did mainly use shady, but now my LC4 obsession has forced me to switch to meg||
@gusty slate ||yeah skelly and shady can be used against redacted, the others can’t||
versed marten
|| just testing it||
gusty slate
I can't use LC, I'm far too bad at the game for that
sharp fossil
the trick is stubborn defiance
gusty slate
It's the antithesis to my playstyle xD
versed marten
|| yeah its pretty annoying ive gotten everyone who can give companions except for skelly and than and meg hasnt come to my room and with sisyphus do i have to gift the boulder stuff becuase is contract hasnt showed up at the contractor ||
sharp fossil
yeah there’s a reason ||heat pacts|| aren’t default; they aren’t all for everyone
novel wasp
can I have a ||BBQ chicken heat level||
tepid plover
thats quite fried
gusty slate
Are there any avians in this game?
sharp fossil
those are bat wings
tepid plover
well you got what i meant
sharp fossil
yeah
gusty slate
I guess bats are closest thing yeah
spring ferry
just wanna tell the devs this is a great game. i didnt expect much but its a definite 10/10 good job guys. 
sharp fossil
honestly the bothers will always feel vaguely bird like to me, because they remind me of the chicken things in transistor
but that’s neither here nor there really lol
gusty slate
Yes
sharp fossil
they are walking pots
they just behave like the chicken robots in a previous SGG game
versed marten
are || legendary aspects || spoilers?
novel wasp
well
gusty slate
Zag's feet are ...
sharp fossil
all i want is a flamethrower okay
gusty slate
Well, there's a stove in Asphodel at least
sharp fossil
true
gusty slate
Chef has some chopping skils
novel wasp
aspect of kiwame Japan
Unique ability: now you can make knives out of your enemies corpses, including bosses :)
"They said it couldn't be done."
gusty slate
Hydra knife
sharp fossil
see, if only we had hestia boons, then you could slice you foes and fry them at the same time
the efficiency!
novel wasp
oh and add a new legendary for Spear
sharp fossil
zag could open a fast food restaurant
novel wasp
called aspect of Steve, and its a Diamond Hoe
gusty slate
Hades: "Boy... wh...I don- why are you using a hoe?"
sharp fossil
if we get a diamond hoe we need a fully fledged gardening simulator || in persephone’s garden||
gusty slate
Why not ||garden at house?||
sharp fossil
both? both
gusty slate
both
ebon basin
Is there a reason hades is so cheap btw i would've bought it for a normal price tbh
gusty slate
Hm not sure tbh I never questioned why it was only 25
brisk trail
15-25 generally
gusty slate
All their other games are less than 20
sharp fossil
yeah so hades is in that range
gusty slate
This one is the highest priced, bastion at 15, others 2 at 20
brisk trail
Well for one Hades has like 20k voicelines, unlike Transistor
Other things that could... more gameplay content obviously
sharp fossil
yeah it defs makes sense it’s a bit more expensive
novel wasp
laughs in triple A games with 60 bucks on title with dlc
sharp fossil
it’s like, an order of magnitude bigger than their other games lol
novel wasp
and its more empty than my future
dense sluice
hello
sharp fossil
i bought HZD a while back, then forgot about it because more hades
brisk trail
Triple A games have a bunch of other things than gameplay content
Unless you mean FIFA heh
gusty slate
I can't budget in AAA games
novel wasp
@brisk trail tbh a lot of triple A games are kinda just there
Like stories? stuff you with farm quest
that, doesnt worth 60
brisk trail
Sony does a lot of narrative focused games
novel wasp
30 at best, 40 is a stretch, 60 is just asking to be flamed
sharp fossil
AAAs have ridiculously big teams tho
i mean, i know nothing about the industry so i could be wrong
but they presumably cost a bunch to make
novel wasp
Yeah if the game isnt replayable for memeier ways to do it like MGSV it really doesnt worth 60 and require a 100 person team to work on it
sharp fossil
but i don’t disagree with you; 90% of my favourite games are indie for a reason
novel wasp
the worst offender is that after you buy the game you still have to purchase large amount of DLCs
like any activision games jc
novel wasp
overwatch might be boring after a while but you are free, to play it forever after first purchase, and doesnt choke you with a dlc every month.
thats why i still kind of love blizzard's game, love hate relationship really
still think some of their decisions are questionable
but uh i enjoy playing diablo and overwatch
novel wasp
and that's fair
oh and idk how to advise the mmorpg industry
but I really hate sub system
sub system sucks
it is not cheaper
gusty slate
I never touched overwatch because I'm a tf2'er at heart
novel wasp
tf2 is plagued to death
with botters and script kiddies
or else it is a fun interactive game
novel wasp
try play with salmons
gusty slate
I actually don't know the last time I bought a AAA game
versed marten
anyone else think || the aspect of lucifer is pretty clunky ||
gusty slate
It's a bit weird yeah, I like it still somehow
versed marten
i mean || super soaker with sea storm is pretty nice ||
gusty slate
I like the special tbh
versed marten
yeah for me its just hard to get on the enemy
gusty slate
pinpoint accuracy of the attack is something too
hasty shadow
It is really good
gusty slate
I use special like landmines, either predict or set and kite to xD
hasty shadow
I don’t get it but there seems to be something distinct
gusty slate
Also, a 4th special will cause a chain reaction if they're all near
versed marten
yeah
hasty shadow
That makes me think “this is Darren korb music”
sharp fossil
i think #h1-story-discussion is a better place for questions like this
gusty slate
Is that the ||reunite patty and achilles||? I kept talking to people until it worked somehow
young iris
okok
sharp fossil
oh you posted there as well lol
hasty shadow
I got the butterfly achievement
Butterfly doesn’t actually seem that good
But I got the 30%
limpid flare
I somehow killed theseus while his spear was out and it stayed on the field after he died https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/240870992728162304/769405966755168266/unknown.png
Pretty neat
hasty shadow
Neat
tepid plover
take it home!\
limpid flare
That'd be a hell of a way to unlock an infernal arms aspect lol
shy tartan
how do i get aegis's hidden aspect?
abstract drum
Just need 3 more blood tomorrow to max out ||Aspect of Arthur||, then I’ll start trying my hand at H32
raven lava
Tacos: ||unlock spear aspect, put 5 blood into shield, and get chaos to comment on your shield; after that chaos can give you the waking-phrase whenever you visit them, regardless of weapon||
shy tartan
unlock the spear aspect?
silent pumice
You have to unlock the fourth aspect of Varatha, after unlocking the other three, and talking to Achilles.
unique fable
does anyone know for sure how to get Poseidon's favor? i've caught all the fish and done repeated runs where i catch a fish before encountering Poseidon—still locked
granite ether
check the pinned messages in #h1-story-discussion @raven lava
the instructions are there ^_^
granite ether
oh my b 
raven lava
no problem
granite ether
@shy tartan the instructions for unlocking hidden aspects is pinned in #h1-story-discussion
narrow hemlock
pats aggy
delicate pilot
this game's random dialog sure can be great
poseidon said something like "I see my brother zeus got to your first, but you will soon forget about him when you see this!"
all three are common boons and none of them are good ones
the zeus boon was epic
unkempt sleet
Play however is more comfortable to you
high island
Aim assist is supposed to make aiming easier, so that's not necessarily a bad thing if it works as intended lol.
tepid plover
I hate aim assist, usually ended up targeting the wrong person
but if it helps you
thats the whole point of it
brave spade
Do I get the bonus damage from ravenous will if I load my casts on aspect of hera? Like on that one hit do I deal more damage?
tepid plover
yes'
tight topaz
And that would be why I always advocate for options over outright changes. End users are all different so throw a bunch of options at them so they can play your game their way.
Actually, Hades is the exception that proves that rule because all I'm hoping for here are a couple of audio cues, lol
That being said, I threw the gauntlet down. I'm putting my skin on the line. If they add said audio cues, thus making Hades 99% blind playable (OCR doesn't like the smaller fonts sometimes,) I'll get it inked on my forearm.
So fingers crossed. Mine and all the blind people I accidentally got addicted to Hades 😛
celest cave
What is this strange resource that I found? Looks like a grey mask or face?
remote moat
were ?
tepid plover
Dm me
celest cave
celest cave
As soon as key gem become obsolete
The game relief on contractor upgrade to insignificant amt of heart, coins, mask
That mask
remote moat
yeah what the god of wine said
remote moat
and nah
tepid plover
That has nothing to do with the contractor
remote moat
hearts are always significant
tepid plover
Thats just the room you're about to enter
remote moat
and if you are through with upgrades of weapons usw
gems become mor eimportant as well
tepid plover
They all are important depending on what you need
celest cave
Ok
celest cave
So the mask is just the difficulty level?
remote moat
yes
celest cave
It says 1
tepid plover
Bro ngl I have no clue what mask you're talking about
celest cave
So strange that I only notice it the first time
Lol
I meant that pic
The second paragraph there
tepid plover
LOL
celest cave
The mask icon
tepid plover
Thats a fated authority
tepid plover
Is more like a dice
celest cave
I just got that unlocked
tepid plover
Anytime
late plover
ares or posidon for fists
zagreus aspect
not sure what i want to spec into
im thinking of a special focused build
so maybe posidon
unkempt sleet
Ares is better, you don't want to push things away with fists
opaque bough
unless you're using magnetic then it can work
but with zagreus better to take Ares or just a different one
tbh I'd rather not take anything and use shackle lol
late plover
i took posidon and actually got something thats quite useful
i got the bonus special and attack damage for first 10 secs
usually when planing fists i end up focusing on dash-strike, special combos
since the range is quite small, posidons knockback sometimes just makes it easier since i can push them into walls
pastel sinew
Hello all ! I just had my first run of Hades. I did 3 run, and this game is AMAZING. Fast, nervous, easy to understand but hard to master... The music is GREAT. It is also beautiful and I love the cynical humour of the Prince. Reminds me the best of God of War 2 and Dofus at the same time. Many hours of play to come ! I will stream it a lot 😄
brisk trail
yo why cant I get ares max affinity I have his keepsake maxed and way above 10k kills
Rng
yeah Ig, altho he doesn't talk about anything when picking a boon
bitter needle
||when you try to catch a fish in the final boss arena and your dummy brain go stinky so you reel in too early 😪||
nocturne reef
Rip
rain osprey
does anyone know why they made the rare fish in the final area better than the legendary?
delicate ember
i just closed hades for the first time. I have been playing for like 5 hours. This game is addicting.
pine spindle
@rain osprey what, the reward? Titan blood is deemed a higher price than ambrosia
crystal jackal
boatsassin dude thats a big mood.
rain osprey
@pine spindle but you can just trade your ambrosia for titan blood if you catch the ||bass||
at the broker
you can't go the other way if you catch a ||sturgeon|| and you'd have preferred ambrosia
granite ether
@rain osprey ||surface fish are spoilers|| so please use spoiler tags
rain osprey
@granite ether ||that's why i said "the final area" instead of "the surface"||
granite ether
||the fact they exist is spoilers||
carmine ravine
woah ||a normal fish totally not from the surface||
granite ether
||ikr, they totally exist is tarturas right?|| 
brisk trail
Does the ||Arthur aspect of sword nullify vases in the final fight||?
granite ether
||it should, since they're considered traps||
brisk trail
Thanks, maybe it'll make ||trap damage buff less painful||
granite ether
||it's the same reason they do 150 damage with Heightened security turned on||
pine spindle
@rain osprey true, but the game considers titan blood a better value item, despite that. Did it once cost two ambrosia to trade in an old early access version?
quasi olive
Hi everyone, quick question, how does the "blast absorption" work on the Eris aspect?
Do you have to stand in the Y's radius?
brisk trail
Yes
carmine ravine
yeah basically that
brisk trail
Stay in the bombs area of effect
If you're running hazard bomb, dash right before explosion so that you don't receive any damage
quasi olive
Oh, that was my next question...
So you're not damaged, but still benefit from the boost: nice!
quasi olive
On my partner's latest run she got 7 damage per bomb
Not much, but adds up nonetheless
Thanks for the answers anyway, helps a lot! : )
carmine ravine
i mean u can get round it better with divine dash or athena legend boon
quasi olive
Yes, makes sense.
delicate ember
my friend is convinced this game is anime. Someone prove him wrong please.
brisk trail
How
tiny grove
I mean
they do use some anime art style elements
but no not anime first and foremost
brisk trail
Interesting, which elements?
austere jacinth
Anime is specifically Japanese. I suppose there are elements of Hades that could be construed as being of an 'anime-style', but most of those elements aren't unique to anime. They're shared by many comic styles.
carmine ravine
just watch the animated trailer and you will get where the first impression is from
austere jacinth
That said, I'd totally watch an anime of Hades.
thorny crescent
Is it just me or is the bow just utter garbage?
gusty slate
All the weapons are pretty good
brisk trail
Default may be
Chiron is good when leveled
Hera is good from the begining if you take casts seriously
And load three dio casts, which can be like explosive shot on 4th aspect
manic bobcat
Is it just me or is the bow just utter garbage?
Bows are not bad, at all, just quite hammer reliant.
But with good hammers, bows are about the strongest weapons in the game.
(Case in point, highest heat completed is done on Bow).
carmine ravine
my second fastest run is with hidden bow since i can just spam special anywhere and just focus on one big baddie
manic bobcat
Lots of things I wish can be in the game.
But the chance of it happening is so slim...
gusty slate
manic bobcat
I'm just waiting for SGG to announce their next steps, after their deserved vacation
gusty slate
Same
shadow fable
Horrors 
inland furnace
i would love something really leaning into dynamic music like... crazy rhythm type game lmao
but ooh. horror for supergiant would be a fun twist
also. something in a mundane world even! since they've already tackled fantasy n scifi and a kinda frontier one
narrow hemlock
re: bow, people who think bow is bad are almost always people who are unfamiliar with it. Practice with it more, try different aspects, I promise it's not a bad weapon
shadow fable
They just can't aim 
pure barn
Is ||fishing|| considered a spoiler?
inland furnace
me lol
im bad with aiming and positioning
shadow fable
Fishing is life 
sharp fossil
thankfully, there's a bow for those of us unable to aim: chiron
shadow fable
Weak bow
flat vapor
you still have to aim to target 😛
narrow hemlock
either way almost every time I see like. A new thread on steam saying bow is bad, it's always someone who's like, I tried it and didn't like it and therefore it's the worst weapon :/
lol
flat vapor
it's okay, not even the bow mains know how to aim
gusty slate
What is this... 'aim' you speak of?
sharp fossil
bow used to be kinda bad, but they buffed it a lot
flat vapor
i've whiffed my shots way too many times
pure barn
I think bow is good because you can be far away
brisk trail
Yeah I can't hit an exalted eyeball right in front of me
sharp fossil
now i only have myself to blame when i lose with it
narrow hemlock
bow wasn't bad before either though? it's mostly people needing to adjust to a different play style with it
inland furnace
ii think it's the extra effort of holding down a while and getting used to the rhythm of that plus dashing
brisk trail
Also I picked special attack curse on chiron that run 
gusty slate
Legendary bow used to be super slow though that was annoying
sharp fossil
i mean a while back
flat vapor
none of the weapons were bad, but blood price and 1.0 did a lot to bring the power levels closer together
pure barn
I keep forgetting to dash during combat, is it just a sake of habit?
flat vapor
most notably spear and bow
sharp fossil
"bad" might be strong ig, yeah
shadow fable
You can just use special only for bows if you can't aim
sharp fossil
honestly it was prolly just me aiming badly back then as well lol
gusty slate
Must say, Zag is pretty good with a bow, being able to quick fire that many arrows...
flat vapor
apparently charged volley shotgun builds were incredibly strong, wish i got a chance to do one before the special nerf
sharp fossil
lol same
shadow fable
Zag bow and Rama are my favorite, because of special 
sharp fossil
there are actually so many weapons in this game; i feel like there's always a couple i haven't used in months
flat vapor
it's just, in that period where chiron didn't have either charged volley or concentrated volley, i just felt charged volley was useless so i never touched it
gusty slate
I've actually never used eris before lol
hollow storm
Zag needs an 🪓
sharp fossil
^
hollow storm
Maybe a slingshot too 😉
gusty slate
Sad World Splitter noises
flat vapor
i'm sure eris was plenty strong before the buff, it's just nobody even glanced in its direction next to hestia
abstract drum
imo Sword and Fists are the best but I'm also a 🤡 so idk
shadow fable
Shotgun
hollow storm
Lightsaber?
abstract drum
can somebody please pin that we need an Axe?
sharp fossil
eris was always super good, idk why people didn't notice
narrow hemlock
wasn't eris the favoured rail aspect for a while or did i dream that
flat vapor
it is now
novel wasp
laughs in ||lulcifer||
sharp fossil
that time is now
flat vapor
practically invisible before 1.0 though
"wait, there's another aspect of the rail besides hestia and rail4?" - everyone before the patch notes hit
narrow hemlock
weird i swear i remember trying eris a long time ago bc it was a community darling here 
gusty slate
Guess I never used it because it wasn't my playstyle
flat vapor
and now it's dominating the speedrunning charts lol
gusty slate
It was buffed if I recall
sharp fossil
"hmm better use this rail, since it got buffed- oh. oh my."
-everyone post 1.0
flat vapor
honestly, i would be okay with bringing it back to its pre-1.0 power
sharp fossil
same
frozen token
Silly question, but does SGG use to release DLC for their games? Any chance we will get a Hades expansion?
flat vapor
sgg could've literally said "hey, eris rail exists please try it" and we would still be where we are today
gusty slate
Never been done it seems
narrow hemlock
they do not do dlc
frozen token
:/
narrow hemlock
they did with bastion but bastion was published by warner bros so it was a different situation
frozen token
And no talks whatsoever of expanding Hades?
gusty slate
Not confirmed or denied
narrow hemlock
No talks at all about post launch
narrow hemlock
all they've said is they're keeping an eye on things that need to be fixed and then will take a break
flat vapor
^
frozen token
Argh I am craving for more story content
flat vapor
if they do decide to come back to hades, it'll be announced after their break
but i wouldn't bet on it
narrow hemlock
They're not going to say anything unless they're absolutely sure it's something they're going to invest in
sharp fossil
yeah, which is fair honestly
frozen token
Yeah, well one can dream
sharp fossil
indeed
frozen token
lol
abstract drum
I need to get like 3 more blood to max out Aspect of ||Arthur|| and then I'm gonna start trying for my first H32 clear
flat vapor
good luck!
abstract drum
on my H16 with it last night first thing I got was the hammer that makes it do bonus damage based on your gold
that was poggers for sure
brisk trail
man vs society
gusty slate
If you like roguelites and enjoy story telling it's a nice game
brisk trail
I mean do you really expect us to say no?
gusty slate
the roguelite loop requires you to start runs from the beginning
Combat is pretty nice, lots of variation for builds
I'd give it a try at least, can return on Steam if you don't like it before 2 hours
or whatever conditions that lets you return
Ah the sale is going on isn't it
I'm purely a Steam user so not sure
but I'd say the game is a steal at that lower price
bright shuttle
Do you guys know if there's an option to pit the dialogues higher I love them so much each character is fantastic
frozen ember
Hey there, does anyone know if there's somewhere with all the icons for the gods
sharp fossil
hmm thought there was a page on the wiki, but it doesn't look like there is
they have the god icons listed at the bottom of each of the gods' pages, tho
tight topaz
So apparently in the Hades streaming community, there's a thing about doing push ups. I should get in on that. Anyone know how that works? Or do you just make it up?
slate jetty
I think people just make up a condition when doing push-ups. Such as for Haelian, he does 1 push-up for every point of health healed by After Party, because he thinks that boon is useless.
tight topaz
I was thinking of doing 10 sit ups per death and 10 push ups per win (my gut needs waaay more work than my arms.)
manic bobcat
obligatory sit ups don't help you "tone" your guts. but do it. that's 10 more sit ups than you would have done.
tight topaz
Tone? I just want this fat thing to be less fat. I'm seriously disabled. Also this https://twitter.com/BlindRyan1/status/1320036347445350400
Twitter
The way I see it, it's all calories burned and people will be able to hear me do them. It's extremely noticeable. Joints popping. Bedsprings. All that.
The question is, to get an accurate count, do I restart my game? Or just start in the middle? I kinda want to restart so it'll be accurate.
primal quartz
So... This game does not have ANY offline achievement support?
I reached the epilogue in offline mode, connected and didn't get the chievo
tight topaz
I never pay attention to cheevos so I couldn't tell you, Esawo. Sorry.
manic bobcat
The question is, to get an accurate count, do I restart my game? Or just start in the middle? I kinda want to restart so it'll be accurate.
I am not sure I understand the question. But the plan sounds great.
So... This game does not have ANY offline achievement support?
Does Steam even offer offline support? Haven't seen that before.
primal quartz
Yes it does.
Plenty of games have it (not all), but Hades is pretty big and I assumed that since they added achievement support they did it fully
primal quartz
Turns out I was wrong. It's a bit of a bummer because to get those epilogue and story-related achievements I would have to start a new save and get back there
manic bobcat
epilogue is rough
maybe ask around for a save file?
people are nice, they might share.
primal quartz
If it comes down to that, I guess. I do have old back ups but they're from previous game versions and I don't know if they'll be retrocompatible
Oh, the achievements just came in. It does work, it just took a surprising amount of time lol
Usually it's instant, might be an issue with the Steam backend
All good 👌
tight topaz
Congrats, man.
I can't believe I'm excited for this. It's my therapeutic masochism. There's no other explanation. Y'know, the kind of masochism where you have a chronic pain condition and you hurt yourself through exercise or tattoos because it's empowering to do it to yourself instead of your stupid body doing it to you. I know it sounds insane but anyone with chronic pain problems like fibromyalgia will tell you they do it too to a greater or lesser degree once they know what it is.
narrow hemlock
@primal quartz you can always just like. f10 in game and send a bug report explaining what happened, and try to get someone's attention in #h1-tech-support
I mean for future reference lol
also applicable if you think dialogue is stuck, for anyone lurking
copper pond
a lot of games there's a way to force steam to like
uh synch achievements with game state
or whatever
I forget how but I remember doing it with Isaac with a bunch of achievements I got offline
narrow hemlock
sometimes yeah
copper pond
I guess maybe devs have to code it?
narrow hemlock
with hades sometimes it's a bit slow. it's rare but it is known to happen
shy tartan
so do you have any titan blood?
fallow fjord
like where do i go?
shy tartan
have you talked to skelly recently?
fallow fjord
i did
shy tartan
also you need all weapons unlocked
shy tartan
maybe
try doing a run and coming back
what usually happens is skelly talks to you about titan blood and you get the ability the round after that
glacial vine
just hit 16:17mn! feels good hehe
glacial vine
i use shield for now, just for the prophecies
shy tartan
shields the best i think
shy tartan
ya got long range, good attack, a nice dash-like rush, and the ability to shield things
glacial vine
tbh i didn't dash a single time this run
ripe dirge
My keyboard wont let me press W + A and SPACE to dash, because of that circuit thing 😦
All the other directions work fine tho
tardy slate
Which aspect is the best for varatha?
70 hours in and I still haven't escaped once with the spear
tight topaz
@tardy slate My cross to bear was the sword. It took forever for me to win with it.
tardy slate
@tight topaz lol I'm literally doing the sword run right now.
primal quartz
You're rock hard for Bouldy
pure barn
😩
tardy slate
Aspect of Arthur is the best imo
Guan yu is my least favorite
I just need 1 escape with the spear to fill a prophecy smh
abstract drum
is there a significance to 7:48?
pure barn
I didn't know if I was gonna like Hades so I watched a review, saw bouldy, immediately paused the video and bought the game. Worth it
primal quartz
Aspect of Nemesis is pretty good for the sword
Personally my favorite, Arthur comes second
tight topaz
Arthur is how I can consistently win (well, consistently for me.)
abstract drum
^
abstract drum
Arthur, Hades and ZagFists are my 3 favorite weapons
primal quartz
It's a bit risky but once you get your hands on a faster spin upgrade you're golden
Just spam and beyblade around
The damage is digusting, especially if you have Zeus primary boon
tardy slate
The life drain is nice but it's just like +1 per hit
abstract drum
Zeus Shield is crispy
primal quartz
Yeah but it hits quite a lot and often multiple enemies
primal quartz
Without fast spin though it's pretty scary to try to go for big damage
primal quartz
The wind up will get you killed, let alone if an enemy has a speeder perk
speeders are crazy dangerous anyway
tardy slate
You're talking about the boon that says "charges up and recovers faster"?
That's a Daedalus boon iirc
tardy slate
Oh I'll try that next run thanks
tardy slate
Got it. You recommend Guan yu then? Haha
The post rush spear aspect ain't bad either
primal quartz
aspect of achilles can put out good damage yeah
Well the good thing with guan yu is the consistency throughout runs
The spin is tied to the attack, so if you boon that up you upgrade the spin
save for spin-only upgrades
tardy slate
Alright thanks
primal quartz
Generally you want to do with what you get
If, for instance, I get a good cast boon early I'll likely end up doing a cast build
Trying to force RNG every run isn't the best way to consistently perform
...And sometimes you just get bad RNG from start to finish haha
abstract drum
I'm in the top 5% of players if you base it off getting the second Skelly Statue 
only 4% of players have it on steam
primal quartz
I wish steam had an "active players" feature for chievos actually
It'd be cool to see what the stats look like based on accounts who fired up the game during, say, the last month, instead of all time
abstract drum
yeah fair
primal quartz
Since those that bought but never really played skew those numbers heavily
narrow hemlock
carefully
abstract jackal
i got him to max hearts
brisk trail
More about hours played, your thing would invalidate someone having put hundred of hours into the game just because he didn't log in long
abstract drum
33% haven't cleared Tartarus 🤡
primal quartz
@brisk trail Yeah that's a good idea as well
narrow hemlock
reminder a lot of people havent booted up the game since achievements were added
primal quartz
Basing it on last time played would serve other purposes, though
And would be interesting for player surges
austere jacinth
I don't usually care about achievements, but Hades is probably gonna end up the first game I perfect on steam. xDD
abstract drum
I've had 4 other perfect games before but they were all games that I played religiously and that didn't have any actually difficult/unfarmable achievements
austere jacinth
I just don't usually pay attention to achievements at all. Not my thing.
abstract drum
I kinda just passively get them, but theres a certain point where my obsessive completionism starts to kick in and if I really like a game I'll try to get everything done
the only game I remember getting all of the achievements for is Absolver, and that was a grind
dawn tiger
Yeah, Hades is definitely one of those games where you sorta just end up with most achievements by playing
Like I don’t think I’ve hunted for a single one
abstract drum
I need to do some butterfly eventually for the achievement
how does the ranking process go on it, it is 1/1.1/1.2 like Plume or?
austere jacinth
I'm gonna have to consciously get the wash away a Legendary boon one. I probably wouldn't get that without there being an achieve for it.
narrow hemlock
the butterfly one stressed me a bit, purely for the fact not taking damage isnt part of my playstyle lmao
abstract drum
yeah lmao
narrow hemlock
all in all though the achievements are quite fair. i know some people wanted harder ones but
abstract drum
I would be okay with them adding an achievement for Skelly's Third Statue but
narrow hemlock
oh god no im thrilled they didnt add that
maybe an achievement for em4 but not 32 heat
abstract drum
I'm mental prepping for this H32 Arthur run, yo tengo big spook
first time trying actually attempting H32
austere jacinth
I think I'm more likely to get 32 heat without the achievement tbh. Less pressure.
abstract drum
true
narrow hemlock
yeah that was part of greg's reasoning for not having super hard achievements
flat vapor
i mean, isn't the statue itself an achievement anyways
abstract drum
spent some time this morning getting used to FO2
narrow hemlock
balls i didnt bookmark the link, hold on
abstract drum
true but I wanna flex on my steam page if and when I get it
narrow hemlock
brisk trail
"We would much rather you leave this game happy than angry."
Most games I played lately that I would rate S+, devs had this mentality uhuh
abstract drum
Okay somebody with more than a single brain cell tell me how ideal this H32 setup is
JS3 / EM4 / CP1 / BP2 / MM / FO2 / DC2 / TD2
narrow hemlock
i see the list of pact abbreviations and my brain just stalls out, i do not have more than a single brain cell
abstract drum
ah yes
brisk trail
UC is free ?
brisk trail
It's free heat is what I'm saying though, granted, you can get unlucky and it F you but more often than not, it actually trains you at getting rid of bad boon
abstract drum
I don't take bad boons 🧠
brisk trail
It's bound to happen
abstract drum
now that I'm thinking about it I might wait until I get Shady to full send H32
cus [Redacted] hasn't given me permission to bop him with Mort yet
austere jacinth
I do enjoy ||summoning my boyfriend to beat up my dad.|| xD
abstract drum
nah g real ones take Dusa
chilly schooner
If you unequip the old spiked collar, do you lose the HP?
robust sundial
common sense says yes.
Also quick question for the math-heads with OCD ||Why is Max Heat 63 instead of 64 with a fourth trophy from Skelly ?||
quiet gull
Because it was never intended for you to ACTUALLY use max heat, there is just an abundance of options
Even the speedrun category is 50 heat, I believe
mellow pumice
because 0 heat is also an option
so its 64 runs in total
anyone know if Ocean's Bounty affects the bosses' darkness?
quiet gull
Pretty sure it does
mellow pumice
i mean, you can see it in the room before, so it would seem it counts as "chamber reward"
glacial vine
40+ clears and i Still dont have any companion 
dense quarry
you'll get it eventually
glacial vine
Yh yh
dense quarry
I'm still missing the one
robust sundial
@mellow pumice trophies are heat 8, 16, 32... Logic says the next one is heat 64.
mellow pumice
well yes, that would be the case, but skelly, being a trickster, is aware that 63 is the maximum so he tricks you by making the last one unavailable
robust sundial
I wouldn't put that past him, actually, since he sure loves a good, well played out, joke...
mellow pumice
so close to the last one, boyo, c'mon!
dense quarry
||Sure wish Asterius would just give me the dialogue for the fists ||
abstract drum
you have all the pre-reqs and are wearing them when you meet him @dense quarry ?
dense quarry
I believe so. Is it just 5 points in them?
quiet gull
In non zag aspects
dense quarry
Yeah I have Talos maxed
abstract drum
iirc you need to unlock Guan Yu's aspect as a pre-req as well? can't remember where I read that
narrow hemlock
spear is first, yes. you cant unlock any of the other 4th aspects unless spear has been unlocked