h1-discussion

[barren ocean]

lmao

fair

[hollow mulch]

got to fill out that codex tho

if you're a completionist i guess

[smoky rune]

I can't believe how well this game runs on my 6 year old gaming laptop

[gleaming hatch]

the only things i dont have fully filled in codex is the fish xD

[void mural]

hey guys, someone listened dusa's whispers

i thinked its a asmr but i was wrong

xd

[low hearth]

Anyone know when the switch / pc cross save update is coming and if you'll be able to make current saves cross platform or if it will only apply to new saves?

[hidden geode]

From what I heard, you should be able to do it with old saves

[undone tide]

They said cross saves is coming out (hopefully) later this month

[lunar cypress]

Is there a way to see what chamber number you're in? I coulda have sworn at one point I did but...

[brisk trail]

Boon menu.

Top right corner.

[lunar cypress]

Thanks! I'm glad I'm not THAT insane

[shell ice]

back in the day it used to just show up constantly

they moved it to boon menu sometime during early access

[maiden copper]

I wish there was an option to toggle it on permanently, like the timer

[smoky epoch]

10 chambers per zone right?

with styx >= 10

[barren ocean]

@maiden copper you mean like the Timer Display in the settings?

unless thats switch only and not pc

[visual portal]

Do Themes do anything in the house of hades?

I bought one for like 10 blood

[shell ice]

They don't do anything in-house AFAIK, ||they just affect your in-run menus (most notably your boon menu and the frame of your health bar)||

[visual portal]

Ah

I don't see a difference then or if I forgot to equip it cause like.

I don't see a difference lol.

[tepid plover]

The only difference i see when I press b

I dont see anything in my healthbar

But the boon menu yes

Once you buy one, it should auto equip

Also, didnt crystal beam used to apply frost?

[brisk trail]

Its very first incarnation, I think.

[tepid plover]

Damn, why the nerf

[barren ocean]

you can get a boon that does it

[visual portal]

|| Oh it's in the boon menu ||

[tepid plover]

Yeah told you

[visual portal]

didnt really look at my HP bar too lol

[tepid plover]

My hp bar didn't change at all AFAIK, or the change is minimun

But the boon menu looks cool

Also the victory screen changes

[plucky sail]

Quick I need a fun/meme build with shield for a run

[tepid plover]

Chaos shield is dumb imo

[quiet gull]

4th aspect ares cast?

[tepid plover]

Or that^

[barren ocean]

chaos shield can be p nice

i managed a sub 17 time with it

[plucky sail]

Oh yeah no chaos shield is best girl, but what do I run it with? I had a lot of fun with a pinball built where I just built for all poseidon special to knock enemies onto walls, so I'm looking for something a bit different now

aspect 4 ares could be fun

[cloud apex]

Poseidon attack zagreus shield

Slap enemies in walls for 1k dmg

[smoky rune]

Do Erebus rooms count as Chambers, or are they extra pickups?

[cloud apex]

They do count as chambers
The only exception (?) is when you pick one before a final shop, in which case you get a free chamber

[blazing narwhal]

also, it's fun to see the extra special projectiles flying around and deflect everything on sight with divine flourish

[calm vapor]

Poseidon bash into wall strat is crazy fun at the last area particularly

[tribal glade]

so i had the +15% gold when clearing a chamber but ||i didnt get any gold for clearing the styx chambers|| - is this intentional?

[brisk trail]

So there's the Mirror option that gives you 15% of your current Gold after beating a boss, and a Hermes boon that gives varying amounts of Obols per chamber.

[tribal glade]

the mirror option

maybe im getting the wording wrong?

i might need to pay closer attention to what triggers the gain

[gleaming zealot]

not sure what im doing wrong. still no quest from achilles for guan yu

[tribal glade]

did you ||reach the final boss with the spear after putting 6 titans blood into it||?

[gleaming zealot]

yep. i thought it had to be any weapon?

distribution of blood

i mean

[tribal glade]

the ||titans blood might be any weapon|| but ||reaching the final boss needs to be with the spear i believe||

hang on, lets get the wording from the pin in #h1-story-discussion

• Varatha: ||Aspect of Guan Yu. Acquire the Fated List, unlock at least 5 other aspects, and fight Hades at least once (outcome is irrelevant). Achilles should tell you more in a conversation soon after that.||

yeah thats kinda vague

and i've seen both 5 and 6 used as reference amounts ||(unlocks/titans blood spent)||

[gleaming zealot]

hmm. okay thanks

[brisk trail]

So question about Dusa: ||if you take back the LARGE amounts of ambrosia you gave her, does that have any consequences?||

[fallen violet]

@brisk trail No

[wise gyro]

How do I get the last heart for Artemis I can’t give her nectar anymore and the last heart seems to be locked and idk wanna get any other relation ships up until I finish her

[brisk trail]

@wise gyro Just keep accepting her boons and talking with her

[fallen violet]

ok boys

idea

So 5 bombs right

with the rail

what happens when I get rocket launcher

upgrade

Shotgun?

[rotund sphinx]

Shoots 5 rocket

[zealous flare]

@tribal glade i believe for Styx it only counts the last chamber

The big encounter

[fallen violet]

Ok so

sike nvm

[rotund sphinx]

?

[fallen violet]

I was gonna say something, but realized it was dumb

[rotund sphinx]

Ah i see

[quick ivy]

Here's a mechanic I don't understand. Sometimes, when claiming a healing treasure trove, I get a nectar as well. Its not 100% of the time though so I was wondering what the mechanic behind that is?

[fallen violet]

Pretty sure its up to chance

[muted valley]

i dont think anyone knows

i think its just speed

thats my opinion

[tribal glade]

thanks @zealous flare

i gotta figure out whether starting with 100 gold is better than +15% per boss room thingy

thoughts anyone?

[fallen violet]

100 gold almost always better

[quick ivy]

+15% Is always better

[fallen violet]

no?

[quick ivy]

yes

[tribal glade]

well thanks team

[shadow fable]

it depends on how you spend gold

[fallen violet]

Ok I can tell you why the 100 is better

unless you're hoarding for styx

gold is not that useful in a run

Just use keepsakes to get the build

[quaint bramble]

It’s playstyle. I will always prefer starting my build earlier with deep pockets, but if you prefer to hoard I’m told that’s good too

[fallen violet]

you want

Well yeah, hoarding is stupid good

if you get lucky and get the upgrade that makes you do 5% of your money in damage, its GG

[zealous flare]

there are other trinkets that deliver a lot more value early game than just 100 gold

[quaint bramble]

I mean hoard in the literal sense, not the hammer

[tribal glade]

i guess if im on a ||titans blood farming|| run then i'll take the 15%?

[fallen violet]

@tribal glade Exactly

[tribal glade]

buying, that is

[quick ivy]

Early area is free. Take the hypnos coin purse and skip the tartarus shops. You can afford most everything after depending on route

[quaint bramble]

Yes, and then hope ||Styx|| rng works out and it actually spawns

[fallen violet]

there are other trinkets that deliver a lot more value early game than just 100 gold
@zealous flare He means the mirror talent, not the coin purse

[tribal glade]

yeah hypnos trinket (in tartarus) + 15% gold seems like a good way to save for later on

[fallen violet]

yeah thats a viable strat

[zealous flare]

ah sorry i was skimming, thanks :)

[tribal glade]

thanks everyone 🙂

[quick ivy]

Yeah the hundred gold from the mirror isn't even a boon from charron, so I see it as less valuable over the course of a run

[fallen violet]

it allows you to buy things early game

and no strategy is needed to make it work

[tribal glade]

it can be nice to afford to buy 2 things from charons shop in tartarus

[quick ivy]

The way I see it, you go to charron's shop in tartarus for one thing for 150, or you go the other way for one free thing

[fallen violet]

I usually have more than enough money for 2 things by first shop, so I can see how its viable

[tribal glade]

yeah im still playing around with it all

i do like that both options are viable depending on what your plan is

❤️

[muted valley]

hahahaha CF2 go brrrr on money

[cloud apex]

Imagine not having 495 obols before first middle shop smhmh

[quick ivy]

Know what's unfortunate? Not having a well of Charon spawn in the temple of Styx.

[zealous flare]

i still use the 100 gold from the mirror, yeah

i found getting an advantage earlier was more useful than a higher potential payoff later on

like i dont really care about an extra 50 gold in elysium

[quick ivy]

What's the point in an early advantage? Tartarus is a cakewalk endgame

[gilded fractal]

I usually save gold for later and getting like 50+ after Asphodel and 100+ after Elysium

[brisk trail]

||Got the Epilogue, now only 3 achievements left, Nyx prophecy, max all keepsakes, and 30% Than buff||

[gilded fractal]

Also you can get Hypnos' trinket for a boost in the beginning

[cloud apex]

It really depends on how hard is the whole run
If you can afford to chill for first two zones, like without TD and such, Deep Pockets isn't that much of a benefit

But if game slaps you from the very start, getting quick pace is important

[tribal glade]

yeah i might just grab hypnos + 15% and swap to something else post-tartarus and see how i go

[quiet gull]

I like using +15% cause I'm just slowly turning up the heat and can still afford to save the cash to get the extra Blood at the end of a run. If you're not finishing runs regularly, or don't care about metaprogression, +100g is much better at getting you strong early

[tribal glade]

yeah im still slowly turning up the heat and its no issue with some weapons but others i'll definitely need all the early help i can get ||guan yu anyone?|| so will change the setup for those runs

[gilded fractal]

I stopped using Eternal Spear whatsoever. Utterly useless weapon with terrible upgrades. Especially that hidden aspect is just bs

[tribal glade]

i accidentally spent 6 blood on ||guan yu|| and saved it so im gonna give it another go

last time i used it (pre-6 blood spent) i got to the final boss but didnt quite make it

[raw mango]

Some aspects just aren’t good at unlock but are much better at max rank. This is definitely one of those

[gilded fractal]

idk, I've leveled it up to max and it still was way subpar to other weapons

[tribal glade]

so should i just go gung-ho and max it out? what % does it max at?

[gilded fractal]

50%

[tribal glade]

ok i think im at 60% now

halfway there!

[gilded fractal]

Even the ||Cursed Slash|| upgrade on Stygius is good because you use it immediately for an Attack instead of charging

[raw mango]

Different play styles. I have no problems with it. Thought I would fail horribly first trying it at unlock. Got to end with it but died. After a couple unlocks it’s gotten easier.

[brisk trail]

smh could reach ||Heat 9 with Zeus shield|| and ||Heat 16 with Arthur sword||, but couldn't even clear ||Heat 4 with Lucifer rail after many tries, had no problem on previous lower Heat levels||. 😆 😂

[muted valley]

how do you play lucifer?

like whats the build you like to go for

also a tip, you can reload while dashing and moving

[brisk trail]

Recently been trying ||Eternal Chamber|| and ||Triple Beam|| whenever they're available on hammer upgrade options, but to no avail. Might go back to Hestia after this.

Also, most recent runs been trying Dio & Ares boons.

[muted valley]

no eteernal chamber

the infinite ammo thing is only good on eris no other aspect

[brisk trail]

I see. Folks here yesterday also mentioned Eris. Now I remember I haven't tried that.

[muted valley]

also with ||lucifer, since the damage ramping is a good part of the aspect||

i suggest starting with zeus strike

using the special should be secondary, instead of it being the main mechanic you use

[quick ivy]

Question! What charm does everyone like to run for the final fight. I'm quite fond of the Hourglass myself.

[sharp fossil]

meta is solidly acorn

[quiet gull]

Just extra health, usually

[unkempt sleet]

Hourglass is ok if you find good items

Acorn/Spearpoint would be my choice

Ot even collar if you have enough DDs

[quiet gull]

||Pom Blossom|| if I'm feeling like going through all of Styx

[sharp fossil]

other things i see occasionally are hourglass, broken spearpoint (for poison/||hades’ lasers||), lucky tooth (probably worse than the acorn most of the time), and chaos egg (because meme/achievement get)

i go acorn basically every time

[quiet gull]

If you're really good I can see a case for Lambent Plume

[gilded fractal]

If I play Malphon Fists, I get to the Final Boss with ~50% dodge usually

Without Hermes boon

[unkempt sleet]

Plume can only stack 6 times in the Temple tho

[sharp fossil]

i mean, if you’ve taken plume/butterfly through the entire game, what’s even the point if you don’t keep it on for styx

[gilded fractal]

true

[quiet gull]

Yeah but that's still an extra ten percent

[sharp fossil]

they’re kind of a special case tho

[quiet gull]

well, no, for plume it's seven point something

it's a lot is what I'm saying

[quick ivy]

Well with hourglass I take the items in the pool, and then use fated persuasion twice for another six. potential 9 buffs for the final fight.

[muted flower]

first night playing, loving it cant wait to play some more tomorrow! Goodnight :)

[sharp fossil]

it’s an extra a lot percent, because the alternate is +0% dodge in styx from any other keepsake

but yeah; only really applies if you’re deliberately doing a plume/butterfly run

[quiet gull]

Well with hourglass I take the items in the pool, and then use fated persuasion twice for another six. potential 9 buffs for the final fight.
@quick ivy Sounds like you could be using that cash and rerolls to just get stronger throughout the rest of the run?

[sharp fossil]

Well with hourglass I take the items in the pool, and then use fated persuasion twice for another six. potential 9 buffs for the final fight.
@quick ivy if you run hourglass in elysium, you can grab stuff from the final between zones pool while it’s on, then switch it out and keep the longer durations

[quiet gull]

Also might backfire if sack at last location

Ahhh, interesting

[quick ivy]

Not really, since either way earlier its picking between items. Here its straight up extra items @quiet gull

[sharp fossil]

and some builds really like certain pool items

[quick ivy]

@sharp fossil Provided my satyre sack is generous

[sharp fossil]

like cast builds

[quick ivy]

which it usually is

[sharp fossil]

yeah you do gamble a bit with that

but when it works it’s great

[quiet gull]

Must feel great until it doesnt

I'd rather the consistency, myself

[sharp fossil]

works the majority of the time, in my experience

and when it doesn’t, it’s often nice to have the items when dealing with a longer styx

that said; i personally wouldn’t reroll the well twice

i usually don’t even reroll it once for extra stuff, unless i’m rolling in money/rerolls

[agile saddle]

if i cast to add charges to Heras bow and I use all 3 does Ravenous Will proc?

[sharp fossil]

ngl i have been wondering that for a while

haven’t actually remembered to test tho

[agile saddle]

cause technically it says 0/3

[sharp fossil]

yeah exactly

[quick ivy]

lol I just died to ||stepping on a rake|| apparently

[upper kernel]

Anyone know the approx SGG confirmed amount of voice lines in this game?

[gilded fractal]

It feels like out of 11GB of the game, 10GB are voice lines

[quick ivy]

Theres so many and its so great! I'm still getting voice lines from occasionally ||Viewing the family portrait||

[cloud apex]

Surprisingly enough, looking at files, VO only takes 700MB

Guess the hand-drawn art is really where all the memory got sunk into

[void yew]

hades is one of the best games ever made

[bright lance]

@void yew I agree! I also think it's the best roguelike game ever lol

[brisk trail]

hades is one of the best games ever made
@void yew
Yep. All my friends either love it, have heard great things and are curious, or just dont like any roguelikes in general. But we shouldn't be surprised, Supergiant has been solid gold for the most part.

[crude sorrel]

no patch notes for new patch?

[brisk trail]

I was hoping to see as well. Maybe some minor stuff

[thorny thorn]

||700 damage a reload rail|| feelsgoodman

[brisk trail]

Did they nerf the appearence of boons? I get max 2 in Tart and like 1 in Asphodel, wtf

[sand stump]

No, i still get like 15-20 a run

No less than 3 full column

You can see in #h1-victory-boasting

[brisk trail]

The Gods no longer favor you Draconis

[raw mango]

lol I just died to ||stepping on a rake|| apparently
@quick ivy I ||slipped on a banana||

[sand stump]

No, it is a ||weird yellow fruit shape like cresent||

[viscid axle]

So first things first i am fully in love with this game and i appreciate all the work the team has done. I've seen the noclip series great work guys!

[granite ether]

Could be worse, could be one of those ||squishy pomegranates||

[viscid axle]

I do have some questions about specific aspects of Hades:

[gleaming hatch]

Ive died to ||steam|| quite a few times, needs a nerf tbh

[viscid axle]

how does doom stack work? is it the first instance of doom or the highest damage?

[cyan aspen]

Anyone know how to get the Hypnos convo past the lock? ||Thanatos, hades and dusa have already spoken with him and congratulated him on his new work ethic||

[gleaming hatch]

Just keep talking to him

If that stuff already happened it’s just a matter of time

You can use the spear hidden aspect along with trap damage if you wanna grind dialogue

[cyan aspen]

I hadn’t given nectar to the other Olympian gods so I did maybe 30-40 suicide runs as you mentioned and it never triggered

So I’m wondering if I’m missing something else that I need to do

[gleaming hatch]

Odd

[cyan aspen]

||Unless I need like Meg to speak with him?||

[gleaming hatch]

I don’t believe you need that. try doing some real runs, maybe it detects that

[cyan aspen]

Hmm yea I guess I’ll try that then

[sand stump]

It seem like Hypnos story have a very low priority

I am at 120 run and it haven’t happen yet

[spare ridge]

damn

man’s too lazy to do it

[sand stump]

I even bought him a chair hoping to speed it up

[dense quest]

best weapon for last boss?

i have 30 runs can get to him a lot but havent beat him

[limpid crown]

I like the bow

Can play safe with it

[dense quest]

ok im asking specifically for the last boss btw i can beat everyone before him

[limpid crown]

Yeah that's what I meant too

[dense quest]

and what boon?

..

[limpid crown]

Are you going with no heat?

[dense quest]

yes

[limpid crown]

Whatever bro

[spare ridge]

i don’t like bow very much but i feel like ||demeter|| sounds good

or dyonisus

[limpid crown]

Yeah dionysus is lit to play it safe

[spare ridge]

sorry, dionysus*

[limpid crown]

You can imitate corona

[dense quest]

ok

trying now

[inland leaf]

You can imitate corona
Bruh

[spare ridge]

yeah

same

[sand stump]

There is not “best weapon” i think

I like sword and gun

My friend like bow and spear

Another guy swear by his shield

[round lance]

I just want to say thanks to the developers for making hades run on Mac. It means so much!

[inland leaf]

There is no best weapon cuz everything is pretty well-balanced

[dense quest]

btw i just noticed bow special is like a shotgun if u stand real close to enemy

all arrow hit him

[round lance]

I think the shield is the best because with a ||certain hammer upgrade it’s a bow with a shield ||

[inland leaf]

I'm on the edge with this thing. It's not bad, but I rather to jump into enemies with bull rush

[round lance]

Yeah both are really good

[limpid crown]

I like taking that shield upgrade that makes you get hit for less when you charge the rush

[inland leaf]

If you're good at blocking everything, then it isn't the best

unless you're on controller

[quaint hatch]

Shield is awesome

But I prefer it's aspects instead of vanilla form

[dense quest]

well died to first boss nice

bow too slow\

[inland leaf]

F

[quaint hatch]

RIP

[round lance]

How much ||heat|| y’all up to?

[inland leaf]

depends on weapon

[quaint hatch]

Only ||4||
I want to clear every heat with every weapon

I'll only crank it up of I have clears on all of them

[gritty tulip]

Here's what I want to say to Zag.

[inland leaf]

I do everything randomly, but max 18

[gritty tulip]

I give up. XD

[quaint hatch]

This is a Chthonian channel

No swearing xD

[gritty tulip]

It was that scene from super bad where Jonah Hill says he's jealous of the sucking.

[inland leaf]

I'm curious, do you guys prefer keyboard or controller?

[sharp fossil]

KBM for me

[tawdry flower]

I’m on Switch, so Pro Controller

[quaint hatch]

Same

No choice

[sharp fossil]

i think a majority of people use controller, particularly with the switch release

but KBM is solid; it's really personal preference for this game imo

[tawdry flower]

I’d say a majority of PC seems to use KBM or even rarer controller mouse

[sharp fossil]

like 3 people use controller and mouse lol

they're just very loud about it

[tawdry flower]

XD

[quaint hatch]

The elite ig

[sharp fossil]

and, to be fair, they have some good points

[quaint hatch]

What points again?

[inland leaf]

can't imagine doing that

[tawdry flower]

Joystick for Omnidirectional movement, mouse for aim

[sharp fossil]

^

[tawdry flower]

If you use wasd you’re limited to 8 directions

[sharp fossil]

best of both worlds, is the theory

i like the idea of aiming with a controller and doing movement with a keyboard, just to troll everyone

or better yet; aim with a controller and do movement with a mouse

perfection

[inland leaf]

you're gonna burn in hell

but I ain't judging

[quaint hatch]

My brain too small xD

[spare ridge]

or better yet; aim with a controller and do movement with a mouse
@sharp fossil that sounds like pain

[sharp fossil]

but think about it

every time someone advocates for controller+mouse, i could post a screenshot of me doing it that way and be like "yeah works great!"

screw it; imma set that up rn

0 heat, what could go wrong?

[torpid sail]

Not to derail the control scheme convo (controller 5eva) but has anyone ever had a keepsake on for a particular god ...then only seen that god once on the run?

[sharp fossil]

it happens

it only forces the first boon you find to be of that god

the rest is rng

its unlikely that you only get one, but it can happen

[torpid sail]

Just heart breaking. I really wanna finish the poseidon prophecy

[tawdry flower]

Which one?

[torpid sail]

The boon list

[novel wasp]

Yall are using kbm and joystick watch me use an arcade steering wheel

[tawdry flower]

Fair enough. I kinda finished the prophecies for boons for all the gods within like 5-10 runs of each other

[quaint hatch]

Donkey kong drums superior

[tawdry flower]

Hunting those legendaries took time

[torpid sail]

Yeah i need one or two more

[novel wasp]

Just get the right combination for leg

[quaint hatch]

Doesn't guarantee

Only emables

[novel wasp]

You could get a leg at like stage 2 if you do it right in tartarsauce

Aka lots o persuasive

[tawdry flower]

I probably should have used the re-roll boons for that hunt

[quaint hatch]

You can still go a whole run without seeing it

[tawdry flower]

But I already had maxed re-roll doors

[novel wasp]

Force it to spawn at stage 1 using the keepsake lol

There. Guaranteed.

[quaint hatch]

My run luck says otherwise

[novel wasp]

Basically you need a base. Start with the god you want the legendary from usually yields good result

[tawdry flower]

Kaernak already mentioned only having the first boon from the god he used the keepsake for

RNG can get you bad

[novel wasp]

Well. As long as you dont take like side boons

And use either d20 or d4 to help you

[quaint hatch]

Still rng

[novel wasp]

I recommend d20 since it is low cost

You are reducing the rng

[quaint hatch]

Yes ik

[sharp fossil]

things i have learned: mapping up/down movement to a mouse wheel is a terrible idea

[quaint hatch]

But legendaries are rare enough that even with reqs completed in tartarsauce they don't show up if you're unlucky

[novel wasp]

Use the damn starter to spawn leg or duo easily

Bruh

[torpid sail]

I just realized tbere was a reroll mechabnic for doors last night and am saving for it. (I realized at the end of a run after i had spent darkness)

[quaint hatch]

It's all about having fun
Map left and right to left click|right click

[novel wasp]

Also take note on what duo can spawn with your combination

[quaint hatch]

Sry

[novel wasp]

Legendary has a 35% base to spawn

[quaint hatch]

You don't need to tell me I still do all that stuff

[tawdry flower]

That’s still around a 1/3 chance

[quaint hatch]

In the end it's still rng

Aka not guaranteed

[novel wasp]

Meaning it will spawn from 1 of the 3 boon option as soon as you fullfill the prerequisite.

[quaint hatch]

1/3 doesn't mean it's guaranteed

That's not how random chance works

[novel wasp]

Then stop whining about things when it doesnt work out for you

[sharp fossil]

okay i mapped wheel click to up and now sometimes up get's stuck on

[quaint hatch]

Some games make it work that way cause we'd feel cheated otherwise

[novel wasp]

And made it sound like my fault lmao

[sharp fossil]

should... should i report this?

[quaint hatch]

I never did
And I never did

[tawdry flower]

We’re not saying it’s your fault. We’re saying your math is wrong.

[novel wasp]

Im just helping you and if you think its impossible then its on you

[quaint hatch]

My main point is it's still rng

[sharp fossil]

"if you map mouse wheel click to up, sometimes it gets stuck on"
^ a serious bug report

[quaint hatch]

Did I ever say I need tips on that?

[novel wasp]

Ive got all my legs easily

So

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[quaint hatch]

Congrats on your run luck m8

[novel wasp]

And you didnt

[quaint hatch]

I didn't
It evens out

[novel wasp]

Thats all

[sharp fossil]

everything is going to go fine

[torpid sail]

Good lord, y'all are really heated over me asking a simple question.

[quaint hatch]

Not your fault m8

Don't feel responsible xD

[tawdry flower]

I have a degree in math and comp Sci. Someone being wrong about probability on the Internet is a serious problem at 8:30am </sarcasm>

[quaint hatch]

Jesus

It's 2pm for me lul

[torpid sail]

Lol ginge.

Yeah voldi some of us just got to work lol. You are 2-3 hrs from freedom

[quaint hatch]

Nah I got uni holidays

[torpid sail]

Sick. Miss those days

[crude sorrel]

saw someone stream with controller it looks like ur aimbotting

[novel wasp]

Well because some people doesnt want to try to optimize it and try to blame on rng when i can guarantee you leg and duo chade is the least rng thing you can find in games lol

[torpid sail]

Bruh.

[quaint hatch]

That was beside our point

[novel wasp]

Whatever. Back to 400 hrs of grinding

[tawdry flower]

@crude sorrel the default with controllers is aim-assist on and you need to go out of the way to turn it off if you even know it’s possible. So most controller players will play with it on

I fought against the aim-assist a lot more than I enjoyed it, especially with some aspects (looking at you ||Lucifer||)

[quaint hatch]

^^^

[novel wasp]

Turn that thing off anyway

[quaint hatch]

I love how Lucifer snaps between enemies

[novel wasp]

I found it prefers to lock

[tawdry flower]

Also, we can’t shoot in one direction while moving in another (which I’m assuming you can do on PC with kbm?)

[novel wasp]

Like when i wanna shoot the enemies between the bow shot it automatically snaps onto 1 of the target

[wheat kayak]

Hai, I missed out on Hades for a few months and just got back after it entered 1.0

the changelogs are totally overwhelming me

[novel wasp]

Also, we can’t shoot in one direction while moving in another (which I’m assuming you can do on PC with kbm?)
@tawdry flower no you couldnt

Rail is standstill shooting

[tawdry flower]

Oh, so I’m not missing out

[novel wasp]

The only way to move is to dash

Which tbh is the better way to do it since standing still is not a good idea

Unless you have hunting baes

[crude sorrel]

does boss always have armor?

[novel wasp]

Miniboss?

Yes

[crude sorrel]

no last boss

[novel wasp]

Floor boss? No

No

[crude sorrel]

aight thx

[novel wasp]

If you count the invincibility as armor then yeah ig

Otherwise nah.

[tawdry flower]

Bone Hydra has armor, but only on the extra heads

But the other bosses have none

[novel wasp]

Yup

But i see lernie head as his minion rather than a boss

[tawdry flower]

I guess.

[novel wasp]

Place some well placed dio c4 you are clearing the phases like its nothing mboy

[tawdry flower]

I prefer Chiron Bow with Poseidon Special

[opaque nexus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392070250511728653/763382899889799168/unknown.png nice

[slate jetty]

nice

[opaque nexus]

and the reason why OoT is so low is that people are routing stuff so less actual runs are being submitted

[crude sorrel]

your attack inflicts doom cant stack with other attack boon yeah?

[tawdry flower]

Yes.

[crude sorrel]

hmm okay was wondering because it doesnt make ur attack itself stronger

[tawdry flower]

Any boon that affects Attack, Special, Dash, Cast, or Call are 1 boon per unless they are specifically buffs to that boon

Other than Chaos

Doom is effectively a large increase in damage.

Even better if you have a large group of enemies and a fast weapon

[crude sorrel]

yeah what I thought

using bow so passed it

[tawdry flower]

Doom on Attack with bow would be pretty fine, especially if using Chiron bow. You basically do Attack - Special - Special - Special, gives plenty of time for Doom to take effect

[crude sorrel]

hmm yeah I guess

[weary yacht]

what are broken urns?

[quaint bramble]

Hmm?

In which context?

[weary yacht]

the happy feather duster

[quaint bramble]

Oh it just means any pots you break in rooms

[novel wasp]

Doom is bad without Dire Misfortune

for how bad it scales

[weary yacht]

Oh it just means any pots you break in rooms
@quaint bramble oh wait, then its actually pretty good

i thought it was useless lmao

[quaint bramble]

You don’t see too many people around here talking about it but I bet it’s not bad sustain

I think the amount of health it saves you is outshined by other keepsakes later in the game

But I could be wrong

[weary yacht]

well i have all of them and none of them are really that good with that kinda sustain

[crude sorrel]

can doom from attack and doom from special stack?

[quaint bramble]

Other keepsakes save you more damage when you need it imo, but you’re right, healing like that is uncommon in the game

[west magnet]

Why I died: I Zigreus'd when I should have Zagreus'd

[quaint bramble]

[plush hatch]

This game is hard af, I made it to the end like 5 times but I just keep getting my head dunked into the blood poop at the beginning 😭

Pool* 😂

[void vigil]

||Final boss|| is a spoiler in this channel, please edit your message accordingly! @plush hatch

[plush hatch]

My bad! Edited!

[void vigil]

thanks

[dense quest]

k i thought i beat last boss

and was happy for a sec

then you know what happened.

[void vigil]

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[tawdry flower]

@crude sorrel there’s a specific boon that stacks doom but it’s only around +16 per doom hit.

[raven meteor]

Doom seems decent with either a slow fire rate weapon like the bow, or a large aoe attack like shield special

Depending on how you build, it could be okay on the rail attack, too

Spear special is also an option in certain playstyles where you only use special to get some damage in while the enemy is out of your range

[tawdry flower]

Doom against Theseus is nice

In the spear special example

[raven meteor]

True

[thorny thorn]

they should add a perfect catch high score to the aquarium, with 'highest perfect streak: , current perfect streak: '

[spare ridge]

then you know what happened.
@dense quest yup

got me the first time

[feral hatch]

does Jury Summons get you more obol? Or do the extra enemies drop less obol to compensate?

[dusk mantle]

Wait.. Enemies drop obol??

[feral hatch]

Wait... Don't enemies drop obol??

[coral verge]

they do

[feral hatch]

oh, thank Hades I wasn't imagining things

[dusk mantle]

In which area ?

[feral hatch]

the wiki says just encounters in general

[coral verge]

everywhere

[strong furnace]

I usually notice it more often in the Satyr tunnels, but pretty sure I've had obol drops everywhere

[spare ridge]

yup

[knotty marten]

The player must have completed (do not have to clear) 3 (inclusive) runs.
what's the difference between completed and cleared runs?

[strong furnace]

What's that for? But probably means reach final boss but not beat them

[knotty marten]

from trial of the gods article on wiki

[feral hatch]

but anyway - does Jury Summons get me more Obol?

[coral verge]

I assume so, since it's just more enemies

[scenic wharf]

Did anyone else suddenly get a strange amount of legendary fish after the patch? I managed to get 3 scyllascions in 6 or 7 runs.

[lofty lodge]

Does anyone know if a Run Option Randomiser exists?

Like you put in the keepsakes and aspects and companions that you've unlocked, along with a heat range and then it gives you an example back?

[slender linden]

there's like 6 rare fish that i havent caught even once

[lofty lodge]

I am thinking of developing a site to do it, but hope nobody's already done it completely 😛

[strong furnace]

I've had more fish but not legendaries. I thought it was just because I was using Poseidon more

[feral hatch]

I've also had lousy luck getting legendary fish in general; I assumed I was just not good enough.

[tawdry flower]

@knotty marten it means it won’t show up in the first three runs that you do. Completed is effectively “has done” in this context. Cleared means winning.

[knotty marten]

wiki says perfect catch has 5% chance to get legendary, but I feel like the actual chance is much higher

[tawdry flower]

It feels closer to 30%, at least in some of the regions

[knotty marten]

30-40% feels like a good estimate

[strong furnace]

Isn't it also super dependent on how fast you click?

[knotty marten]

of course

Less than 0.34 second: Perfect catch. Guaranteed to catch a Rare fish. 5% chance to catch a Legendary fish
0.34 second to 1.0 second: Catch. 5% chance to catch a Rare fish.
After 1 second: fail with a "Too Late" message.

[tawdry flower]

That’s how a catch is determined to be “Perfect”

If it was really 5%, you’d have to catch an estimated 20 perfect catches in a region to expect to get 1 legendary fish for a region.

Meanwhile, I’ve gotten 4 fish in ||Chaos|| and 3 were the Legendary. And I’ve had an equal number of Rare and Legendary in two of the regions

[lofty lodge]

I've caught all fish at least once as of yesterday. 😄

But I have completed 74 runs, soooo

(Well, I have attempted 74 times. 40 something wins)

[strong furnace]

I mean, it's not dependent on how many fish you've caught or can catch @tawdry flower. Each roll is random and independent

At least I'd hope

[knotty marten]

I consistently got full codex entries for legendary fishes before rare ones

[feral hatch]

am I supposed to interact when the flash happens or when the bobber is at its lowest?

maybe it's just my boomer brain reflexes

[knotty marten]

there are fake bobs and real bob, when you see real (flashing one), press the button asap

[coral verge]

when it flashes, the timings between bops are all the same except it's faster if it's a catch

[thorny thorn]

man you gotta hand it to the shades in elysium arena, they are loyal af, even after seeing their champions dethroned hundreds of times, they're still supporting them bar one

[knotty marten]

after every fake bob, you should pay attention for the next couple of seconds, because that's when real bob can happen. Long pauses don't result in a real bob

[strong furnace]

I love that guy that supports you

[knotty marten]

or it's the very first one that's real, but that's just unfortunately difficult one to do perfectly

[stiff jetty]

Erebus gate question: Does it tack on to your total number of rooms and therefore is a 100% net positive? Or is it essentially another 'option' for your current room?

Also, someone had pasted me a cool graphic for 'reroll' potential

anyone holding on to that? I need to save it

[void vigil]

@pale zenith ||the final boss|| is a spoiler in this channel, please edit your message accordingly!

[pale zenith]

is there a channel where I can spoiler?

[void vigil]

it might be better to ask in #h1-builds-and-combat

[stiff jetty]

@pale zenith i'll direct message you

[bitter valve]

#h1-story-discussion

or #h1-builds-and-combat

depending on the context

[tawdry flower]

@strong furnace it is independent, but I was speaking on expected number/value, a concept in probability.

If your actual value is drastically different from the expected value, it implies either that you’re extremely statistically unlikely or that the underlying probability isn’t as claimed

[slate nymph]

@lofty lodge

Does anyone know if a Run Option Randomiser exists?
Might check on the Hades Mods page on Nexus or in their discord.

[strong furnace]

I mean yeah, but that's also super anecdotal unless you're getting numbers from a good amount of people and testing how fast they are clicking

Just because you got a lot of legendaries in a short amount of time doesn't mean it's the same for everybody else

[tawdry flower]

Unless we get a large number of people willing to track their fishing results specifically related to Perfect Catches and whether they get the Rare or Legendary fish, you’re going to be dealing with anecdotal and personal data.

So while yes, statistically I may be an outlier in data, if I catch enough fish, the distribution should look relatively close to the percentages shown.

[strong furnace]

So not knowing how many fish you've caught, you're saying that for all the fish you've caught, approximately 30% have been legendary?

I'm not going to assume some massive number but to make the kind of claim that 30% is more accurate than 5%, you have to have caught fish in the hundreds right?

[tawdry flower]

30% of perfect catches

Around 10% of total fish

I’m at around 250 total fish

[strong furnace]

What differentiates a perfect catch from a legendary?

[tawdry flower]

Perfect Catch, you’re supposed to have a 95% chance for Rare and a 5% chance for legendary

Regular catches are supposed to be 95% chance for common and 5% chance for rare

According to the wiki numbers

[strong furnace]

Sorry, I meant in game. I'm trying to understand the difference between "30% of perfect catches Around 10% of total fish"

10% being legendary? or 30%

[tawdry flower]

30% of the time when I get a perfect catch, it’s a legendary. The game doesn’t track your perfect catches so this is reliant on my memory of how many I’ve had.

10% of total fish have been legendary

[strong furnace]

How do you know it's perfect though? I've never noticed an in-game thing that differentiates between regular and perfect

[coral verge]

it shows up as PERFECT CATCH on top of the screen

[strong furnace]

Really?

Wtf

I'm trying to remembert getting that and am not

[coral verge]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/HYY3P_kjm7c/maxresdefault.jpg

[strong furnace]

Oh ok, I don't know if it's because I generally just look at the fish and don't look at the banner or just rarely get perfect catches

But I don't remember seeing that

[coral verge]

it's 0.3 seconds which is really tight

[harsh onyx]

Once I max out all my relationships, is there a point to keeping Ambrosia? Or can I trade them all for sweet, glorious Titan's Blood for weapon upgrades?

[tawdry flower]

In terms of frames, it’s pretty lenient compared to fighting games or precision platformers

Have you max leveled the ||companions||, too?

[harsh onyx]

The ones I use, yeah. I'd rather upgrade my weapons.

[tawdry flower]

Other than that, it’s mostly cosmetic things

[brisk trail]

I just kind of feel sorry for Heracles to be honest.

[strong furnace]

I probably do better dodging in fights as opposed to fishing tbh

[tawdry flower]

Zag stealing his girl in the afterlife?

[brisk trail]

I don't think he wants to exist. Dude's a constant unceasing ball of uncontrollable, self-loathing rage.

He constantly keeps on murdering innocent people because of his genuinely uncontrollable rage and impossible strength. Dude doesn't want to do it at all, but it keeps on happening.

[tawdry flower]

((And most of that is due to Hera))

[brisk trail]

It's like being Superman, but bad.

Yeah, Hera's the worst.

[candid veldt]

Even though I have bought everything from the house contractor I don't have the check marks above west hall and great hall.... what am I missing?

[brisk trail]

Dunno.

[tawdry flower]

Have you finished quests for people?

[plush pagoda]

I can't quit from the boon screen even if I selected a boon

[candid veldt]

Completed the entire game. All bonds have been forged, all infernal arms 20 heat runs completed. The only thing remaining is grinding Titles with the ressource director.

[fair dove]

Completed the entire game. All bonds have been forged, all infernal arms 20 heat runs completed. The only thing remaining is grinding Titles with the ressource director.
@candid veldt have u gotten the ||skelly statues||

[gilded fractal]

Ugh, getting a random Cursed Slash in the Temple was rather unexpected. Ruined my whole setup

[winged quartz]

i don"t understand the lvl 1 aspect of chaos shield, it just throws 1 shield like the normal shield

[valid wave]

it throws an extra shield I believe

it's one bonus shield

[winged quartz]

oh, ok

[fair dove]

i don"t understand the lvl 1 aspect of chaos shield, it just throws 1 shield like the normal shield
@winged quartz one extra shield

And at max level it’s pretty crazy

High damage if u can shotgun

[gilded fractal]

i don"t understand the lvl 1 aspect of chaos shield, it just throws 1 shield like the normal shield
@winged quartz You have to use Bull Rush for an extra shield(s)

[fair dove]

^

[winged quartz]

guess you have to get used to it but when i bull rush i most of the time end up behind my target so my throw is useless

[fair dove]

Just turn around lol

[lofty lodge]

@lofty lodge
Might check on the Hades Mods page on Nexus or in their discord.
@slate nymph If there's not one well known, I think I'll develop one myself. I have ideas. Thanks for getting back to me, though

[high island]

You don't need to charge your bull rush. You can just immediately release it.

[candid veldt]

@fair dove yup

[lofty lodge]

Charge is only distance it goes

If a charge thing flashes, that means it does increase in damage

Top tip

[opal turret]

Hello, does anyone know if the "undamaged" keyword is triggered untill the enemy has actually lost red health? Or it is just for the first hit they take?

[tawny patio]

Just for the first hit, which means at full shield if they do have shield.

[hard pawn]

If a charge thing flashes, that means it does increase in damage
This only applies to the bow by default, other weapons need hammers for it

They still flash it just doesn’t do anything

@opal turret armored targets take the damage twice, once for full armor, once for full hp. It’s more an extra life than extra hp for the purpose of “undamaged target”.

[opal turret]

thanks

[tawny patio]

@hard pawn are you sure about that? I'm looking at Content/Scripts/Combat.lua line 542 and there's a check of victim.HealthBuffer == victim.MaxHealthBuffer

which means "if the target has shield, it must be at full shield to apply this damage bonus"

[opal turret]

@tawny patio is there any different mention for armor bar?

[tawny patio]

Ah, by shield I mean the armor bar.

health buffer is the internal name for the armor bar.

[opal turret]

oh then undamaged bonuses are much worse than i thought

[hard pawn]

That’s weird

I almost always have Fiery Presence on and it feels like it hits hp extra but i guess not

[proper garnet]

is there a point of view in the fourth stage

every underworld have one

[brisk trail]

Yes, and no.

||There's one on post-boss fight, but it can only be accessed 10 times. So yeah, no after that.||

[proper garnet]

why 10?

ok I'll see it when I finally hit this final boss hahaha

i'm referring the time before entering an underworld you got the chance to see the whole underground

like a paint

an Zagreus make a comment

and*

[hard pawn]

@dire perch ||garden I’m pretty sure||

[dire perch]

gotcha

[proper garnet]

well they're one for each world

but didn't find one for the last realm 😫

any news on a DLC or new content?

[blazing vine]

Anyone know the best place to post feedback/suggestions?

[gilded fractal]

Hmm, does Hypnos' trinket work on gold bonus boons?

[blazing vine]

@gilded fractal No

[tawdry flower]

@proper garnet nothing planned except patches at the moment

[strong furnace]

Don't think they're taking feedback or suggestions anymore

[blazing vine]

Fair enough

[tawdry flower]

They’re taking a break now that the 1.0 launch came out

[proper garnet]

@tawdry flower thanks

[gaunt ridge]

Max Athena Call is so cheesy

[lusty cedar]

Hey guys what you think of the control in hades on keyboard and Mouse?

Is it any good

[gilded fractal]

Mostly, but hard to use Specials effectively

[sleek bough]

hey where do i report bugs ? the hestia aspect of the rail gun has a bug, sometimes when you hold down the button for continuous fire , it only fires 1 shot , i have to then release the button and hold it down again. this happened multiple times , bought a new mouse to replace the old one , still doesnt work. it does happen all the time , but it does happen a lot , pls help

[lusty cedar]

So is it control like the children of morta gameplay on pc.

[mellow pumice]

is it just me or is demeter MUCH stronger when ||helping theseus||

[sleek bough]

im using mouse and keyboard ^

[mellow pumice]

usually i get through elysium with no problem but if he calls her, i use up 2 death defiances

[lusty cedar]

OK. Thanks you guys.

[gilded fractal]

pbru

[lusty cedar]

I will wait when it on sale discount.

[slate nymph]

This might be a question for the SGG folks, but curious if there are any plans for more Hades merch in the future. I think maybe character prints/posters, pins and T-shirt aside from the green logo one would be cool. I've seen a lot of cool stuff on the pseudo bootleg sites like etsy, redbubble and the like, but would always prefer to support the studio.

I imagine that most video game cons being canceled has put a damper on a lot of companies making more merch, but I would definitely order some stuff (already have the vinyl pre-purchased 🙂

[brisk trail]

Victory doesn't feel satisfying when you reach the surface and then get a "joke" message then a death

[hard pawn]

Hey guys what you think of the control in hades on keyboard and Mouse?
Just rebind special to M2 and you’re golden, cast either to where special was or to a thumb button if you have them

@lusty cedar

[lusty cedar]

OK thanks you

[static dagger]

I know it's not a suggestion channel. But man how I would love to be able to reset story progression without resetting mechanics progression. The voice acting is so good. I'd love to hear it all again.

[strong furnace]

Agreed, that'd be really nice

[slate nymph]

yeah like a NG+ kinda thing? That would be kind of awesome just to play through the story and relationship building again but with my power level. Could be a little awkward though if you start a fresh save file and are just winning each time and have the story progress with the late game story first before you start chatting with everyone.

[static dagger]

Yeah but I totally get mechanics progression is pretty heavily entwined with story in a lot of ways. So I'm sure it wouldn't be an easy ask.

[stiff jetty]

I asked previously, and hate re-asking, but people seem to be around now. I'm looking for 1) The re-roll graphic that I've seen shared around? Anyone have that tucked away somewhere? and 2) Does anyone know if the Erebus portals are in addition to all the other levels, or take the place of one? Are they always worth doing, in other words.

[blazing vine]

@stiff jetty In my experience, Erebus levels seem to take the place of a normal level, unless it is the last level before a shop/rest room before the boss, in which case it is additional

[stiff jetty]

i'm struggling, hard, to get the last aspect of the last weapon unlocked. There anything secret to it?

Exagryph

[candid bolt]

as long as you already put enough blood into other apects its just a matter of waiting

[stiff jetty]

other aspects in general?

or of Exagryph in particular?

[narrow hemlock]

it's for that weapon specifically

Check the pins in spoilers for 4th aspect info

[wide tartan]

So I ran Aphrodite/Dionysus on rail and got the legendary Aphrodite boon for charm effects... and I ended up charming both Theseus and Asterius

and Asterius ran into Theseus and created an effect I hadn't seen

Kinda cool

They really accounted for everything.

[hard rune]

Hey guys! Was wondering if you use the lambent plume or skull earring, build up their stat bonuses and later unequip them - do you retain those bonuses, or do you lose them?

[sand stump]

Nope, you lose them

[high oracle]

i was wondering

is there a list that regroups and explains the benefits package affixes ?

[manic bobcat]

@high oracle It's pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat, you might need to scroll down a bit.

[high oracle]

oh ok got it ty

[plucky hazel]

hey guys

does Swift Strike

work withDash attack

Swift strike says that your Attack is faster

[quiet gull]

Attack is not Dash-Attack

[plucky hazel]

that's a Hermes boon

ok

[quiet gull]

Though sometimes it is

[tepid plover]

Dash attack is technically still attack unless specified otherwise

So it should affect it

Thats why let's say dio attack, affects your dash strike

[mint horizon]

Is the power of demeter on thesus supposed to be that abnoxious ? compared to the rest of his powers its like stun locking you and you cannot guess where it comes

maybe im just bad

[crude sorrel]

how can u make sword work? feels so weak

[verbal sky]

Demeter is powerful at that part but you can work around it if you have enough experiences fighting it.

[plucky hazel]

how does your call work?

I dont get it

my bro is playing right now and the bar ain't filling

[quiet gull]

You need to actually have a call boon before you get the bar. It fills up by dealing and receiving damage. If you're out of combat, then you cannot activate it

[tiny plinth]

i would like it if the +20% darkness thing chose the weapons in a 6-bag style like modern tetris instead of completely randomly every time

[tawdry flower]

@plucky hazel from one of the gods, you need to select the boon regarding Call. The meter fills when you give or take damage (only if you have a call). You can either use it at one charge (weak/less time) or wait till you have a full meter (longer time / bonus length compared to using the same amount of charge in the smaller bursts)

[rapid mantle]

Also @plucky hazel , for the most part you will never start out with a "Call" to use. You almost always have to pick it up from a boon. You will know you have a call if you see a meter below your health with 4 lines dividing the entire bar into 5 sections (which lets you use a weaker version of the call for each section).

So if you fill the bar all the way, the call is stronger and it's duration is longer.

[brisk trail]

is it possible to get Dio call and Aphro-Zues duo ?
and are calls changable or is it only the first 4?

[rapid mantle]

I don't think duo boons are tied in anyway to specific calls. I think you can get a Aphro-Zues Duo boon and a dio call if that's what you're asking. What do you mean by "only the first 4"?

[brisk trail]

attack-special-cast-dash can be changed into another god
are call changable like that?

[quiet gull]

Yes

[rapid mantle]

Yes, you can replace your calls with another god's call. The game has built in a feature where if you are replacing a boon with another, the new boon is a higher rarity, but the first level.

[quiet gull]

I think it retains the levels you have, actually

[brisk trail]

what, isnt it the same level?

[rapid mantle]

I might be wrong on that. I remember seeing a boon being replaced, but did less damage.

[quiet gull]

Yeah, because different boons deal different damage

[brisk trail]

i mean if you replace an aphro attack for a demeter or zeus attack
dont expect it to deal as much damage

[rapid mantle]

Yeah, I was too focused on damage to think through it more. Had to get back to dashing all over the place.

[quiet gull]

You can check the codex to get a rough idea on how the damage "tiers" work with attack boons, etc, for each god

[rapid mantle]

That's the lore menu right? Or am I thinking of something else? Left bumper?

[brisk trail]

"c"

[quiet gull]

Yes. It goes roughly, Aphro, Pos, demeter, Art/Ath, then the flat damage increases of dio zeus and ares

[gusty slate]

Need codex upgrade though

[rapid mantle]

I've been too busy reading lore and doing runs to stop and review the codex like I should. The game is so darn fun. IMO this is the gold standard in Roguelites/Rogue themed games that have carry over RPG elements.

But I'm bias for being a Supergiant fanboy.

[gusty slate]

Make sure to check codex every so often, there's one interaction where you have to look at it to proceed

[rapid mantle]

Is that in relation to conversations with Achilles or something else?

I will still go back and play Bastion every couple of years and will listen to the soundtrack. "Spike in the Rail" is such a darn good song.

[gusty slate]

The required codex reading is for ||??? character in Elysium||

Oh Iguess there is the Achilles one too?

[rapid mantle]

Ahh, I know who you're referring to. Yes I've checked that box. Love that they do that. IMO every video game should reward the user for "exploring" and they did that here with the codex. Great game design.

I'd like to personally thank whoever push for including the gloves in the game. It's my favorite weapon by far.

The sound for it is so satisfying too, going in for a combo, dashing out, going back in. Man just a blast. I'm hooked.

[gusty slate]

Malphon was my first clear

[rapid mantle]

Have you tried the 3rd variation @gusty slate ? ||Aspect of Dementer?||

[gusty slate]

Yeah, I still like the Zag aspect more-ish

[rapid mantle]

You've tried a dodge build I take it?

[gusty slate]

Dodge/Deflect are my cheese builds

but I've used all the aspects here and there

[rapid mantle]

Also lore question for people here, but spoiler warning:
||I love that Persephone comes back, but I know little about the Greek lore behind her. What specific skills or abilities does she have that gives hope to the idea she'll help reconcile the rift between Hades and Olympus? While I am a huge fan of redemption and reconciliation, I'm not following how she specifically will help the situation beyond being Demeter's daughter.||
Maybe I'm over thinking it.

[cloud apex]

||I suppose the mere fact of a successful royal relationship of Olympic and Underworld gods is enough for that||

[strong furnace]

How are spoilers again ||?||

[sinful plank]

What do most of you pick when you visit ||Eurydice||? I generally choose the 4 random level ups, which has served me well. But just wondering if I’m not maximizing my potential there.

[gusty slate]

It's down to personal preference. I pick next 3 boons are upped rarity

I do that to try to rig Hermes boons in my favour

[sinful plank]

I’ve picked that option once when I happened to have very few boons. Can’t recall how it turned out lol.

I really slept on Hermes for awhile, thinking he was garbage. He’s not!

[strong furnace]

Ah thanks lol, ||I don't think it's something Persephone can do so much as she was an Olympian and she wants to rebuild the relationship between Hades and Olympus since her son already started ||

[rapid mantle]

All depends on what I've picked up. There are times where I'll get to here and have only 1 or 2 boons on my abilities. Correct me if I'm wrong, but does ||Eurydice|| only increase the rarity of boons tied to abilities? I don't recall seeing a rarity increase outside of those.

[strong furnace]

||Also since it seems like Demeter might break Hades when she finds out where Kore went to||

[rapid mantle]

Yeah, I'm definitely interested in seeing that Mistahk

[brisk trail]

||Persephone kinda help us already even when the game start, the pom trees she had grown help Zag grows the power of the gods||

[rapid mantle]

I didn't realize that Mr.Jason, that makes sense.

[brisk trail]

||not to mention, her keepsake basically give you poms periodically||

The catch 22 of Hades

Choose the boon which makes it so you get actual decent drops, but none of your boons are ever rare or epic

or

Choose the boon which gives you rare or higher blessings, but get nothing but keys and darkness

[tawdry flower]

@rapid mantle there are a few ways to increase rarity of boons. Eurydice will be able to increase two random ones.

There’s a boon that lowers random boons to common and then they increase after that every few encounters.

If you replace one of the 5 main boons with a different God’s, it will be a higher rank.

I feel like I’m forgetting another way to get up to Heroic

[gusty slate]

That should be all I recall

[rapid mantle]

Makes sense! But if you're replacing a blue rarity boon, it goes to purple or heroic?

[gusty slate]

Just the next one up I believe

Rare --> Epic --> Heroic

Start at rare, God wants swap for epic

[brisk trail]

but replacing boon can be annoying
like you have to dedicate a build for that 2 gods
if you have a demeter attack but you switch over to Aphro
not only do you lose one way to proc the passive from Demeter, you also dont have much Aphro passives to proc yet

its fine early game but after you already establish a build for that god, because you just have to go with the flow, swicthing over to a different god just cancel the whole thing

[weary yacht]

so i have been thinking of what could be cool for a DLC,|| and maybe just being able to go to Olympus and do the whole plan that persephone has been planning, and maybe even be able to fight some of the different Olympians, and maybe even be able to fight cerbures. also a hammer or axe weapon ||

[brisk trail]

Neat, I think that can even be a sequel idea. Battling Olympians to earn their boons or weapons would be dope.

[oblique dust]

Anyone's "Total Darkness" on the save file screen inaccurate? Mine reads around 15k but I have around 22k darkness total. (20k invested and 2k in inventory)

[cloud apex]

Routine Inspection, probably? Game for some reason doesn't count whatever it blocks

[oblique dust]

Don't think so. The max excluding Fated Authority is somewhere around 14k. So it's at least counting some in the bottom three.

Yeah if I save and quit with nothing invested in the mirror the save file will say that I have some 15.8k darkness while in game I have 22.4k

[gusty slate]

Does the one favour count?

Might be bug too who knows

[rapid mantle]

Maybe the count is strictly what you obtained in all your runs? Maybe it isn't counting darkness you bought at the lounge?

Also, maybe the records room shows your total darkness? If it shows how much darkness you obtained in a run you can do the math.

Just speculating as I'm not entirely sure.

[oblique dust]

I looked because of the favor actually, but the number is still off. In fact, if it counted the darkness spent on that the number would be higher than the 22.8k.

[thorny thorn]

just had ~66% dodge chance by the end of the game, poor ||Hades|| couldn't hit even if I wasn't trying to dodge attacks.

[oblique dust]

I thought so too, but it's hard to believe I bought around 7k darkness. I don't remember purchasing that.

[cloud apex]

Ye it's definitely not a chance to buy that much. It barely grants 300 or so per titan blood

[olive tundra]

does anyone know what it means to forge a bond?

[gusty slate]

You're great friends with that individual

[flat vapor]

you maxed out that character's hearts!

[olive tundra]

is there a benefit to it though?

[flat vapor]

now you're close friends

[olive tundra]

or is it mainly story benefit or flavour etc

[gusty slate]

In the keepsakes you'll see a chibi and bond forged... some invdividuals have more to their bonds

[oblique dust]

Hmm. I have around 160 runs before they counted the darkness so that's super hard to gauge. I know in the past the menu screen showed the heat you obtained, so maybe it started counting since then...

And the records only show Darkness equipped.

[olive tundra]

@gusty slate yea I forged with a few people, and I see the extra icon but I don't know what it really does in the game aside from just show I'm liked or that I maxed out that relationship

[gusty slate]

Have you spent on some of the darkness sinks?

Bonds tend to just be flavour text, some are needed for prophecies(?) and some characters have more to their bond

Just gotta keep talking to some

[oblique dust]

What do you mean by sinks?

[rapid mantle]

It's a term for a video game mechanic. It's generally referred to as a "resource sink"

[oblique dust]

Like the rankings?

[gusty slate]

I think there are some big ticket darkness use somewhere

[rapid mantle]

So if you have gold in a video game and you can use it to upgrade a base or house, that would be called a "Gold sink".

[oblique dust]

It still doesn't add up. My darkness ingame is higher than the darkness in the menu. If the menu counted those sinks, the menu would be the higher one.

[rapid mantle]

IN this case, darkness sinks would be what you spend on the mirror upgrades.

[gusty slate]

Beats me then

[rapid mantle]

I would check to the records room to see what is tracked. IMO it sounds like it could be a bug.

[gusty slate]

Yeah sounds like a bug to me

[oblique dust]

Right, but my total darkness AFTER removing those upgrades is 22.4k. My menu says 15.4k. My records show around 18.8k on runs which checks out with the amount of darkness I have in the mirror.

But yeah I agree it sounds like a bug. I was just wondering if others had any answers.

[gusty slate]

I tend to not really check stuff like that truthfully lol

but lemme see my old save

[rapid mantle]

So you did 160 runs, but that 160 since the full release or are some of those runs pre-release?

[brisk trail]

i mean its not any significant bug or anything

[gusty slate]

I know they changed some darkness costs around so it might be from that

Where it didn't update properly

So might've duped darkness to refund lol

[oblique dust]

Yeah. It came from wondering if the number on the menu related kept track of all darkness I obtained or the number of darkness I have. Turns out it was way off both.

[gusty slate]

69,717 on menu for darkness... time to do math

Oh wait I can check quicker with my new save?

[oblique dust]

Yeah I have like 210 runs. The 160 number is when they started tracking the darkness in the records. Before that, nope.

Just refund darkness and don't save.

[gusty slate]

My new save adds up

65879 from mirror refund on old save

Off by a wee bit

[oblique dust]

Yeah this save file is from Day 1. Probably due to stuff changing over time.

[gusty slate]

I joined Nighty Night

[oblique dust]

But wait, see yours might still make sense if you count the amount spent on the favor.

[rapid mantle]

It truly does sound like a bug. I imagine it would be continuously accurate if you started a new save file.

[gusty slate]

My new save is fine yeah

[oblique dust]

Since your ingame is lower than the menu.

[gusty slate]

The favour was subtracted from menu and ingame when I did it if I recall

As the favour was... what 9k darkness back in the day? idk what it is now adays

[oblique dust]

Really? It's 3k now.

That's so much!

[gusty slate]

But yeah sounds like old saves didn't get the right recount

Or as you said, the tracking wasn't implemented until later so game only reads that much

Nifty EA scar though lol

[oblique dust]

In the olden days the game showed you how much Darkness you had. idk if it was day 1 but it definitely showed Darkness really early on. Back when Heat was a resource, it switched the Heat after you first acquired it. The switched back when they changed how heat works,.

[gusty slate]

My new save does show the amount of darkness I currently have

Made after v1.0

[oblique dust]

But yeah. It's like an EA badge to see a discrepancy. I like that in a way.

[brisk trail]

Hello

Never heard of this studio before but I just checked out Hades trailer

Looks really intriguing so I watched a review

All reviews seem to be practically 10/10

[oblique dust]

It's a great game by a great studio.

[brisk trail]

Think I’m gonna buy the game

On Switch

[oblique dust]

Enjoy. The community here is super nice and helpful too, if you need anything.

[brisk trail]

It’s $25 right?

Or was it $30?

[oblique dust]

I think 25.

[brisk trail]

That’s good

I heard people have hundreds of hours in that game already

[pallid yacht]

Worth every penny of $25 honestly

[oblique dust]

Yes we do lol.

I'm at around 150 on Steam and EGS combined. Though it's hard to get accurate with EGS.

[gusty slate]

I'm at 200 ish

[rapid mantle]

This is a biased place to ask IMO, but Supergiant games has a good track record.

[brisk trail]

Wow

I heard it’s partially a dating simulation? Tell me it’s not a large part of it please?

That’s my only issue.

[oblique dust]

It's extremely minor.

[brisk trail]

Oh okay good

[flat vapor]

it's not even much of a dating sim lol

[brisk trail]

That I’m fine with

[gusty slate]

You can choose to do whatever you want, main gameplay is getting out of the underworld and making friends

[flat vapor]

some people you can choose to be in a relationship with

[oblique dust]

It's mostly a joke to call it a dating sim.

[flat vapor]

you get some extra dialogue, and that's about it

[brisk trail]

So what happens when you escape the Underworld? Is the game over?

[oblique dust]

And you're free to refuse the romantic aspects, if you chose.

That's spoilers territory.

[brisk trail]

Aren’t all the gods and goddess related though? LOL. Kinda sus ngl.

[oblique dust]

But the game is technically endless.

[flat vapor]

it's a roguelite, so it never really ends

[rapid mantle]

That's a spoiler of sorts, but the essence of the game can be boiled down to that you'll have lots of reasons to keep playing it.

[brisk trail]

Cool

[gusty slate]

It ends when you feel like it's done I suppose

[rapid mantle]

It's as over as any Diablo 2 or Diablo 3 game. There's always something more to do, collect, experience, and try.

[gusty slate]

There is a storyline to get through

[brisk trail]

I was surprised when I saw that this discord has 42k members.

I never even heard of this studio before.

[oblique dust]

They made Bastion, Transistor, and Pyre as well.

[brisk trail]

Pyre sounds familiar

[oblique dust]

Really high quality indie games. Each of them are extremely well crafted and unique, while still feeling like they're made my the same group of people.

[rapid mantle]

If you're a fan of music, definitely check out all the sound tracks to their games as well.

[brisk trail]

Will do

What’s the protagonists name in Hades?

[gusty slate]

Still, the game is good, but if you don't like it, then you don't like it

[flat vapor]

Zagreus

[brisk trail]

I would love for him to be a mii costume or something in Smash

[gusty slate]

Little Hades

[oblique dust]

Boy

[flat vapor]

or, Boy

[brisk trail]

I love mythology

Plus the art style looks great

I’m quite the history nerd

[gusty slate]

Yeah, funfact, if I recall correctly, we can't have skins/alt because things being hand drawn. A labour of love this game

All the movement and combat is with sprites? so they would need to redo everything lol

[oblique dust]

You're pretty much on the nose there. Here's the full answer: https://steamcommunity.com/app/1145360/discussions/0/1738883810796606862/

It's a mix, of modeling and sprites.

[brisk trail]

Any chance of this becoming a series?

Or getting a sequel.

I’m very intrigued by it.

[oblique dust]

Typically, SGG just moves on after a game is done and tells another story in another world. Anything revolving DLC or a sequel wouldn't be known right now. SGG has no official plans out there right now.

[pallid yacht]

Supergiant have said they're taking a break before announcing any future plans

[brisk trail]

Just check online and it’s only digital. Does anyone know if it’s going to become physical?

I can do digital but I prefer physical.

[oblique dust]

It's only digital. They've done Limited Run games for their other titles, but no plans for Hades right now.

[brisk trail]

Typically, SGG just moves on after a game is done and tells another story in another world. Anything revolving DLC or a sequel wouldn’t be known right now. SGG has no official plans out there right now.
@oblique dust Bummer. Imagine if this game grew like Zelda did.

An open world game taking place in the underworld.

[gusty slate]

Can still hope

[brisk trail]

It’s only digital. They’ve done Limited Run games for their other titles, but no plans for Hades right now.
@oblique dust with COVID I’m assuming they might not then

Not anytime soon anyways

[oblique dust]

I wouldn't call it a bummer. Sure I desperately want more Hades content, but I also want to see what game comes next. What other story can they tell. 🙂

[brisk trail]

Like I said I’m new to this developer so I wouldn’t know

[oblique dust]

But that's coming as a fan of the studio.

[worthy matrix]

to any developers of Hades, is there a feature in Twitch to integrate Steam beta keys into Twitch stream drops? Is that something you tried to use, or would have if it were available? (An automatic feature, not manually giving keys)

Just trying to gauge some interest in that feature that doesn't seem to be available to non AAA organizations

[gusty slate]

We're not beta though?

[worthy matrix]

would have used 😉 future interest

[rapid mantle]

There is a chat far down the list for questions to staff of Supergiant games

[brisk trail]

Gonna try to get Hades as soon as possible.

I’m very interested.

[gusty slate]

Ah I see, yeah I would try to find questions to staff, they don't really read this chat if I recall

[worthy matrix]

@rapid mantle are you referring to ask-supergiant?

Wasn't sure which channel to ask it in haha

[gusty slate]

babs the hero is here

[quaint wind]

it'd probably be best to email them by going to their website and click 'contact us'

that's the easiest way to get in contact with them

[rapid mantle]

@worthy matrix Yes, that's probably the best place to post what you want to ask them and them seeing it. They likely glance this channel from time to time, but so much text goes through it they'll likely miss your ask.

[worthy matrix]

true true

[blazing vine]

Is || Aspect of Gilgamesh's maim || affected by modifers to special damage?

[fresh steppe]

i don't think so

[rapid mantle]

No, any references to "Special" is specifically your weapons special move. The maim is a status specific to that aspect.

[granite ether]

@blazing vine please spoiler tag 4th aspects

[blazing vine]

Sorry; how do I spoiler tag?

[granite ether]

|| like this ||

Ty ^_^

[blazing vine]

No problem.

[granite ether]

And to answer the question. I believe ||maim damage is affected by universal modifiers (family favourite for example) but not anything that would specifically affect special damage||

[blazing vine]

Cool, thanks.

[chilly monolith]

How do you catch fish? I have the rod but it keeps saying "too earlY"?

[sour wyvern]

You need to wait for the bob to drop into the water

It can fake it a couple of times as well

[chilly monolith]

Okk so let it fully submerge?

[edgy bear]

yeah, there's a flash of light too, so it's very obvious

[chilly monolith]

Ok ty

[grave furnace]

I cant find a Athena boon to save my life I just want her pendant

Ans when I do its in Charons shop and I cant gift her

[carmine ravine]

just do more runs

[hot surge]

Well

I started my first run

Got Athena and Artemis and I feel pretty good

I like Zag's permanently messy room

[pearl sparrow]

Excuse people but: what's the point of ||ranks||?

[gusty slate]

Bragging rights

...otherwise idk

[coral verge]

||vanity||

[pearl sparrow]

So the whole point is just to ||show off||

[gusty slate]

I believe so, and use resources

An endgame goal if you will

[pearl sparrow]

I was just wasting whatever I hardly earned until now

[brisk trail]

Installing the game on my Switch rn

It’s gonna be 2+ hours

[gusty slate]

Welcome to the Underworld!

...Soon™️

[brisk trail]

I don’t think I will regret it

Seems fun

Think I’m gonna play it a lot on handheld.

[gusty slate]

Yeah, hopefully it's to your liking and lives up to the hype

[brisk trail]

Seems more enjoyable in handheld mode than tv.

Plus I can chill with my dog while playing handheld.

Since he’s not allowed in my room. (He’s small)

[gusty slate]

Sounds like a plan 👍

[brisk trail]

So are romances in the game mandatory?

[gusty slate]

Not at all

[brisk trail]

Okay good

[gusty slate]

It's like an aside for ... 3 chars?

[brisk trail]

I don’t want to be forced to be in a relationship (I don’t really want to, especially a homosexual relationship since I’m straight. Nothing wrong with being gay though.)

[gusty slate]

It's very minor

Don't worry about it

[brisk trail]

That’s good

I want to slay some demons