oh right; if you’ve seen the other hammer it’s not always there
#h1-discussion
hard pawn
spark girder
Yea I got so close to killing elysium champ but mehh getting better each time
@static wadi no never lol
hard pawn
not really
spark girder
Hmm ill have to check it out
hard pawn
Other than “roguelike where you smack things” they aren’t super similar
Also Dead Cells is notoriously hard, to unfair levels
spark girder
Wait like if you beat hades it has a new game plus?
hard pawn
The types of difficulty are way different
Wait like if you beat hades it has a new game plus?
No, you have to win a run to unlock the actual game
remote lily
yeach but in hades you do not need them to finish game, In DC you need finish game at 5Cells to see ending
hard pawn
Dead Cells difficulty is full game changes; Hades’ is just small modifiers
Way different
remote lily
small modifiers heh, ||it can add bonuses like elites in diablo3||
hard pawn
That’s a small modifier
remote lily
I think it only misses ||shared health in elite groups||
hard pawn
||only like two of those even do anything impactful||
outer flare
How do you get (final aspect of spear) ||Aspect of Guan Yu|| - I've looked at online guides and I've ||Got minor prophecies, beaten the final boss, spent a lot of titan blood on all weapons, and Achilles isn't telling me nything||
what am I missing?
spark girder
What are aspects?
hard pawn
@outer flare check pins in #h1-story-discussion
novel spindle
aspects are different versions of the same weapons
remote lily
If Achilles have some story related things to say then he will queue them, just keep talking to him
spark girder
Do aspects stay even when you die or no?
novel spindle
there are three normal aspects and one hidden aspect for each weapon
outer flare
he hasn't talked to me yet
static wadi
omg there is one guy is way harded than redacted(
novel spindle
yeah they are permenant
static wadi
just lost 3 dd and almost all hp
hard pawn
secret boss is not harder than redacted don’t you dare type that
spark girder
Oh sweet I gotta try getting all the bow ones
outer flare
am I just going to have to keep dying so I can
spark girder
I love bow rn
remote lily
hard pawn
he’s only ||got like one actual attack, and it’s got a very large dodge window even though it’s not telegraphed much||
static wadi
damn i love when chaos shield is laughing
@hard pawn|| most problem is stay vs him without any good boon like i did||
hard pawn
||you don’t need boons for the shield against him, just block||
||unless you’re fighting him in Tartarus, then that’s your issue, gonna take ten years to kill him||
scenic path
aspect of guan yu is both op and bad at the same time
narrow loom
@static wadi thanks for the advice. Just got first clear with shield!
Stubborn roots mvp lmao
novel spindle
aspect of guan yu is both op and bad at the same time
@scenic path guan yu is great against minions, letting you stay top health, but terrible against bosses, who oneshot you
haughty raptor
so does anyone know why they called it god mode and not super baby EZ mode
hard pawn
alpine stratus
because it isn't that easy 😂 and also bc theyre nice people
haughty raptor
im just confused because god mode is usually harder not easier
alpine stratus
oh thats hell mode in this game!
quaint bramble
“Usually” lmao? What is your sample size, like one god of war game?
haughty raptor
i thought it was god mode then hell mode someone just explained it to me and im like waaaaaaaaaaaaa
alpine stratus
aaaaa
haughty raptor
my sample size is im ffffkng old oak ok gimme a break
alpine stratus
i guess the connotations of "you have to have incredible powers for this" and "you are made powerful" could easily be confused, yeah
but i think it was important to their naming that nobody feels even the slightest bit looked down on for using it?
hard pawn
God mode very clearly explains what it does
hard pawn
Also in most games “god mode” is invincibility
haughty raptor
thats what kyo just told me
makes me feel so old its ok i understand it now im sorry SSG
alpine stratus
tbh now that im actually trying to clear consistantly im using it and, still losing a lot lol
haughty raptor
oh lawd thats not good news
alpine stratus
😂
haughty raptor
im so bad at this but i cant stop playing
hard pawn
Well tbf you have to die a lot for it to actually give meaningful resistance
alpine stratus
i started playing like. the day after early access was announced. and i have many many hours and very few clears comparatively jfvjhfjfj
true! im sure ill get there
haughty raptor
how many hours kam?
alpine stratus
UHM HANG ON
haughty raptor
im 60 hours of failure 🥺
alpine stratus
i should. check.
oh my god
uhm
epic tells me i have, uhm
twenty nine days, six hours, 38 minutes
hard pawn
novel spindle
Good job
alpine stratus
now TO BE FAIR sometimes i leave it running in the background for a while.
but. oh boy
haughty raptor
702hourswowwwwwww
south lava
Your name is great
alpine stratus
I HAVE NEVER IN MY LIFE PLAYED THIS MUCH OF ANY VIDEOGAME EVER
haughty raptor
it is p great tho
alpine stratus
.....and i have twenty one total clears since 2018 
haughty raptor
wowwww early access has been out that long?
novel spindle
How many attempts did you do?
hard pawn
that’s around how many hours it took me to 3,000,000% rebirth damn
novel spindle
Gg
haughty raptor
420 bruh
narrow hemlock
quick someone get cyrus
haughty raptor
lmaooooo he SHOULD
snow gazelle
I finished all the success on Steam one hour ago, I'm proud 
alpine stratus
wooo! 🎉
haughty raptor
woa congrats!
opal plume
Just finished the main quest!
haughty raptor
yall are so good! 🥺
snow gazelle
141,7h playing :P
haughty raptor
oh my lawd ok i need to keep trying
visual portal
I still find it weird how I’ve managed to only beat REDACTED with the shield
snow gazelle
Ahah I played 120h during the early access
median smelt
Maybe Hades is lowkey SCP
visual portal
I can see it
snow gazelle
So I had time to learn all the patterns of every single mob before the release to finish the game
But take your Time @haughty raptor and enjoy
haughty raptor
whats scp
visual portal
OH BOY
snow gazelle
The horror stuff
haughty raptor
but thank u kymi im not giving up yet
visual portal
Do you like horrifying and weird as hell horror stories written by people on the internet?
Go to the SCP wiki
median smelt
Good stories for sleep
median smelt
It's like premium creepypasta xd
visual portal
I’m on my journey to also romance Dusa
snow gazelle
Btw it's 2am and I'm waking up in 5h so
visual portal
She’ll be the first...then probably Thanatos second 
haughty raptor
dusa is a epic cutie
visual portal
How could anybody not love her
haughty raptor
i just love how mad Than is at u 😳
visual portal
median smelt
@haughty raptor He won't be mad for long
median smelt
Zag wants for everybody to be well and feel well, only in the end they'll understand it
haughty raptor
I thought I'd go for Meg at first but then I met Than and wwweeeeuewwww
median smelt
can't blame ya
haughty raptor
def
visual portal
Hypnos is Thanatos’ brother right?
median smelt
yep
haughty raptor
yeps
median smelt
Hypnos is pretty detached from everything though xD
haha @haughty raptor I see you've played "God" mode ;d
haughty raptor
someone only told me what it was yesterday lmao
median smelt
d;
haughty raptor
cuz im a dumbass
median smelt
I remember when they added the feature to early acces, i tought it was some developer mode ;d
haughty raptor
lolll nice
visual portal
At least it’s there for people who just wanna experience the story
Cause to be fair it’s pretty damn good
opaque bough
what does god mode do actually? is it just unlimited lives?
granite ether
you'll get better over time ^_^
haughty raptor
from what i understood Tor it makes u gain defense every time u die so the more u die the less damage u take?
granite ether
starts at 20% DR, increases 2% per run lose, maxes at 80% from what I remember
median smelt
As with Supergiant, they somehow can create a captivating story and seal it with even better gameplay
which of course, compliments the story all the way
opaque bough
huh that's not as much of a buff as I thought
haughty raptor
i need to die more LOL
median smelt
a perfect synergy
granite ether
I've personally never used it, so the specifics in my description might be off
median smelt
But i guess that's what you get from a small and very passionate team rather than big corporations with stocks high above the sky
haughty raptor
i just turned it on cuz i can never get past the rats and im le tired
granite ether
that's fair, gottsa do what works for you ^_^
brisk trail
Hey! Just joined this server, and let me just say, bless the peeps at Supergiant for keeping the roguelike genre alive and blossoming.
haughty raptor
welcome oolong!
granite ether
welcome on in Oolong 
brisk trail
Aha, many thanks!
queen wharf
Can you get Flame Wheels Release in the room before ||Elysium||
median smelt
yea
granite ether
nope
brisk trail
Already, does this community come off as welcoming. An unexpected-yet-not-unwelcome change from the usual intrusion on an argument or immediate flaming from most public servers I've tried to join.
median smelt
i got it once
haughty raptor
loll yea this place is great SGG fans are super cool
median smelt
before entering elysium, the room with fountain and shops
but it's super rare i reckon
opal plume
Hey do you think anyone has made a Hades bingo speedrun thing?
I've seen it for a lot of other games
queen wharf
It would have to be rare, lol, it's the only one I don't have for the Prophecy
haughty raptor
bingo?
brisk trail
Super chill, from what I'm gathering as well. Almost a given, seeing as near-all of SuperG's work are relatively-chill experiences.
opal plume
Yeah like a list of objectives to do, and usually you need to do a line of them to finish the speedrun
Usually in competition with someone else
haughty raptor
sounds hilarious someone make one
granite ether
not really
opal plume
I'm about to stream some duos competition
granite ether
think regular bingo but the board is a bunch of Hades goals
opal plume
Might be like "get 6 boons from the same god"
haughty raptor
duos competition ooooo
brisk trail
While roguelikes certainly aren't my top genre, I am, and will be a forever-fan of Diablo II, and appreciate SuperG for making no-frills experience upon no-frills experience.
opal plume
Or "purge 6 boons in one run"
granite ether
like that, yeah JP
median smelt
@brisk trail I haven't really enjoyed any rougelike before Hades, this game opened me up to a new genre
opal plume
Would there be a way to make like a gdoc or something to make a list of things that the bingo could have?
brisk trail
Certainly will hold SuperG's work as a direct point of inspiration and reference, upon me breaking into "Da Biz" that is the greater video game industry.
granite ether
there's a bunch of bingo board generators hosted through speedtools.com/bingo
brisk trail
That's when you know you've got a hit on your hands.
When developers some ten-twenty years following your release see your work as a reference point.
opal plume
one i've seen used a lot is BingoSync.com
granite ether
google doc seems the best way, those goals would however need to be tested then weighed against each other to ensure you don't get broken synergies
opal plume
yeah exactly
should I make a google forms and then link it here?
or if there's a Hades speedrunning discord I'm not aware of
brisk trail
Also commend Supergiant for making Hades a video game in 2020. Already an accomplishment in it of itself. No sauce, no extra paper, all the clout. It's neither a playable movie nor a digital casino. It's a video game, and a freakin' fantastic one at that.
opal plume
@granite ether I sent something out in the speedrunning discord so I guess I'll talk about it there
raven swift
ok so i killed the first fury (took me forever) I was walking around some new area and stepped in lava and died, now I have to fight her again?!
median smelt
extreme measures v2 awaits
but lava can also be your friend
as long as you have your uncle Poseidon at your side
haughty raptor
watching skeletons dance in it is fun gotta say
indigo nest
ok so i killed the first fury (took me forever) I was walking around some new area and stepped in lava and died, now I have to fight her again?!
@raven swift welcome to roguelites! Good luck on your journeys.
fallen violet
No
Rogue games are about dying and doing it again
Thats the entire game
You unlock and progress the more you play
but when you die, back to the start
median smelt
It's part of the fun, the Game you play of course have to compensate for it, either with tricky gameplay mechanics that hooks you till the end or a very captivating story
somehow SG did both
raven swift
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Albert Einstein
median smelt
Who said we're sane
haughty raptor
ill do 90% of the same thing over again for 1% of story so SGG got me there
median smelt
Think of rougelikes as an objection to that statement
tawny barn
I just got an epic side hustle (+16 obols per chamber) with hording slash (attack gains bonus dmg equal to 5% of obol) and I ended with 1700+ obols, and I have double edge as well, much nice synergy
wrong channel mb
quartz berry
do i get somethin by maximizinf afinity with olypmian gods_
static wadi
nothing material only story and dialogues
median smelt
sometimes companions
haughty raptor
i just got to more banter with Than and o My lAwDDD
||u still live w ur mom u wouldnt understand|| bruhhhhhhhh
median smelt
xD
||My mom is a daughter of being so complex and out of touch with everything else that you wouldn't understand, and your grandparents are just aholes||
brisk trail
So, I just unlocked ||Eternal Rest prophecy, do I have to max out Skelly's hearts and get his Companion first before doing that prophecy? Since he'll be gone forever, right? Or is it okay to do it first?||
median smelt
@brisk trail just do the prophecy
granite ether
try it out 😉 @brisk trail
median smelt
nothing FINAL will happen
haughty raptor
im going up against the stadium bros w 6 health am ded
tribal glade
good luck @haughty raptor
median smelt
any death defiance ?
brisk trail
@median smelt @granite ether Alright, will do it later. 👀 👀
brisk trail
No, really, I just quit, still gotta go out soon. 😅
haughty raptor
that was rly painful
calm dagger
why cant i comment on the feedback? 😦
haughty raptor
maybe tag em here ?
calm dagger
thanks man!!
narrow hemlock
o/
haughty raptor
oof im glad i deleted my dumb feedback before it was immortalized forever 😂
median smelt
@haughty raptor Well, some will remember, but we'll try to keep it for ourselves ;d
although no feedback is dumb feedback
haughty raptor
😳
tribal glade
now i want to know what your feedback was @haughty raptor lol
fallen violet
?
tribal glade
whats a 5head emote?
median smelt
I would love Cerberus emote to be honest
haughty raptor
now i want to know what your feedback was @haughty raptor lol
@tribal glade it was rly embarassin i thought god mode was a harder mode like before hell mode cuz i never read the description and didnt know that was a thing since like 10+ years
tribal glade
ahhh ok yup
median smelt
I didn't know that either, not really into watching streams
median smelt
oh ok
haughty raptor
lol nice
fallen violet
good emote
haughty raptor
whats it look like
median smelt
After the explanation, i think it's necessary here
median smelt
haha no
i mean, you may think you're cool when you beat hades
then someone does it on 40~ heat and you're left looking like a toddler
haughty raptor
LOL
haughty raptor
i cant even comprehend
median smelt
XD
haughty raptor
im worse thana toddler
haughty raptor
give me big baby EZ mode for zagreus' sake plz
fallen violet
I am good at rogue
median smelt
Nah, Hades is quite mild when it comes to difficulty
haughty raptor
i can get 20 headshots in a row in an fps but watch me play this crap and i walk right in to laval 60 times over massive lack of coordination
median smelt
it has certain spikes from here and there, but it's not something dark souls like
median smelt
aah
smoky wharf
rogue games feel like a natural environment for me as well
fallen violet
Like the mid scoring guy
smoky wharf
first run i reached asphodel
median smelt
the rince/repeat mechanic can be quite distinctful
haughty raptor
i felt like i was missing something major the first 20 attempts
haughty raptor
until i accepted im just a rogue dumbo
median smelt
when you REALLY learn from your mistakes, you can make huge progress
smoky wharf
but then i got stuck for a while because of elysium
haughty raptor
i never learn cromu
haughty raptor
all i know is headshots pump shotties n molotovs
fallen violet
See
haughty raptor
i mean i made p good progress with the rail tbf but i still suck with all the other weapons
fallen violet
in FPS
I am good at solo in FPS
Kinda just click guys
but with a team
I always have different ideas
And it no work
median smelt
You should try Rainbow's Six
haughty raptor
i always rush ahead of my team why even think lol
median smelt
but not Siege, the older titles
Strictly coop driven
It could help you overcome some difficulties
brisk trail
I'm more of a adventure game kind of guy, like, Horizon, Tsushima, Tomb Raider, etc, but niche genre like real time tactics and roguelike turn out to be quite awesome too
median smelt
Tsushima is the bomb
haughty raptor
i wanted to play horizon but then i got addicted to hades
hi my name is pas and both the story and gameplay are ruining me
brisk trail
@median smelt fo' real, I played that game using Japanese voice, best decision ever. So immersive. The story and gameplay was fantastic.
brisk trail
No, not really into Souls-like games. 😅
median smelt
Ah, the atmosphere with Japanese vo is insane
brisk trail
I know, some of my friends also praised and recommended Sekiro.
sharp fossil
i wanted to play horizon but then i got addicted to hades
it me
fringe garnet
just hit R1 too early while attempting to fish [late game spoilers] ||on the surface|| and i think this may be the worst feeling in the entire universe
median smelt
Tsushima exceedes that though, Sekiro is more down to earth with it's folklore
sharp fossil
i keep going to start HZD and then being like “i’ll just do one hades run first” and then four hours later i need to sleep or something
vast junco
@fringe garnet demeter having unique lines for killing ||hades via winter harvest|| wouldn't really make much sense given that the olympians ||can't actually see or hear what's happening around Zagreus||
brisk trail
I've caught all fishes, except ||Sturgeon|| and ||2 other fishes on Chaos||
median smelt
hah, i have problem with catching legendary fishes in Asphodel
fringe garnet
@fringe garnet demeter having unique lines for killing ||hades via winter harvest|| wouldn't really make much sense given that the olympians ||can't actually see or hear what's happening around Zagreus||
@vast junco I didn't mean Demeter 😉
median smelt
@fringe garnet They can hear though ? Else how would they know ||about you reaching the surface||
brisk trail
Btw, Poseidon's legendary boon that grants lots of fishing spots = one of the best non-combat boons
vast junco
@median smelt they only have|| vague ideas about zag's whereabouts, not specific details of what's happening||
fringe garnet
I still have final relationship unlocks with [also late game spoilers] ||Demeter, Persephone, Hypnos, and Aphrodite. Given the legend of Persephone, I'm expecting Demeter to be one of the last to unlock, and I haven't finished conversations with Persephone. But am I missing something with Hypnos and Aphrodite??? I'm surprised because I just get generic single-line dialogue from them at this point.||
median smelt
@vast junco Sure, otherwise the whole plot would be pretty nonsensical
vast junco
and them being able to hear, for example, ||the conversations between Zag and Hades on the surface would break a lot of things||
brisk trail
@fringe garnet my oh my, I forgot Hypnos existed.
fringe garnet
@median smelt they only have|| vague ideas about zag's whereabouts, not specific details of what's happening||
@vast junco Slight addendum here: ||Chaos points out the Olympians briefly can see/hear Zag when he prays to them. It's possible(?) that something similar is going on when he Calls them?||
brisk trail
Never interacted with him past the first Nectar lol
median smelt
@fringe garnet As far as i know ||Demeter is part of the Epilogue, which requires a bit more gameplay than actual ending.||
median smelt
@vast junco Hades is pretty pragmatic
Also Hades stated that ||he fears Persephone's and Demeter's powers, as they have power over live, hence power over death, which is really uncommon among the Olympians and other Gods||
tawdry flower
@fringe garnet Hypnos is unlocked by ||getting an autograph from the bull of Minos||
vast junco
huh, there seems to be some evidence against that detail, though, since whenever Zag gives nectar, ||they pretty much just receive the nectar and whatever Zag says is lost, essentially. I don't have a screen but I'm sure there's a comment from an olympian about how they can't hear him||
i don't see what that has to do with what's being discussed, cromulon
median smelt
Sorry if I went offtopic
fringe garnet
@fringe garnet Hypnos is unlocked by ||getting an autograph from the bull of Minos||
@tawdry flower lmfao ok, that's hilarious. am i waiting for some RNG luck on that front, or is there a special trigger? such as ||fighting miniboss Asterius with the cthonic coinpurse?||
median smelt
Got little carried away
vast junco
no, it's fine, i just thought we were discussing something else is all
all is fine to discuss with proper spoilers and all
fringe garnet
huh, there seems to be some evidence against that detail, though, since whenever Zag gives nectar, ||they pretty much just receive the nectar and whatever Zag says is lost, essentially. I don't have a screen but I'm sure there's a comment from an olympian about how they can't hear him||
@vast junco I don't think that's true - ||in many instances they do actually respond directly to what he says when he offers them nectar. And, like I said, Chaos comments observing this fact specifically!||
median smelt
It's a bit late in my region so i might be blabbering
fringe garnet
at least the first time
tawdry flower
@fringe garnet some conversations between ||Thanatos and Hypnos|| that you have to overhear. Then he’ll ask you again for the ||autograph||, then you face the ||Bull|| alone and he’ll give you it
vast junco
@fringe garnet i'd like to see a screenshot that shows any sign of this, since in my many hours i can only recall the|| responses being non-specific to whatever Zag has to say, entirely.||
fringe garnet
hmmm i think i've already done that... i'll investigate
median smelt
@vast junco Getting back to the topic, when you progress through Athena's questline, ||she mentions how you've succesfully espaced to the surface when you get her boon at new instance||
vast junco
yes, like i said earlier,|| they do know about his very general location||
referenced in comments such as those
median smelt
they also seem to know which gods favour you have in each selective run
vast junco
yes, they are in communication with one another, made especially clear with duo dialogue, etc
tawdry flower
Actually @fringe garnet that might just be a side thing. The wiki just says you need to witness a whole series of RNG dialogue between the two.
fringe garnet
we need a script, clearly, to explore pre/post nectar dialogue. what i can say with 100% certainty is that ||Chaos comments explicitly saying that it appears the Olympians can actually, briefly, hear Zagreus when he makes an offering/prayer to them||, of this there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever.
undone tide
Is there a bug involving the Good Riddance court music? I can't seem to unlock it at all
vast junco
i'm not really refuting your point about Chaos' dialogue, regardless. moreso that if it is very much a thing that they remark on, it seems to slightly contradict the nature of their interactions, how i've been experiencing them thus far
median smelt
I wonder if the Olympians go to some table meeting and discuss Zagreus's whereabouts after each consecutive run ;d
fringe garnet
Is the fourth fist aspect mutually exclusive with the Hermes "gain additional dashes" boon? I haven't seen it in 5+ attempts...
tribal glade
whats a splash dash run?
flat vapor
using tidal dash as your main source of damage
it involves just spamming the dash key and relying on tidal dash's immense base damage, but all in all it's basically a pure poseidon build (built on an unusual method of striking)
flat vapor
rupture, second wave, and wave pounding are very nice on it, and i usually like to pick up zeus for the chance at sea storm
sacred ginkgo
cause its powerful and boons i think help it
flat vapor
and since the fists4 have extra dashes that can be held down, splash dash runs are getting quite popular
narrow hemlock
@fringe garnet hypnos involves ||a long back and forth chain of dialogue with thanatos btw. the autograph quest is 100% unrelated to his affinity||
briefly skimmed chat and wanted to clarify that bc its incorrect
tribal glade
i do like dashing - maybe i should look into using the fists more
indigo nest
Serrated and flurry
jagged ivy
go crazy
indigo nest
Get artemis dash upgrade and athena dps upgrade
win the game
||which aspect do you recommend for dashing spear?||
@tribal glade risk? Achilles. No Risk? Zag.
tribal glade
ok i think i might just have to try that (both)
mint pendant
Have they mentioned any post 1.0 additions to the game, like DLC or something?
flat vapor
besides cross saves this month and small patches, their plan for the future is "take a break"
jagged ivy
They don't want people to assume anything, and are likely going to be taking a break
yep
they were clear with the test branch they don't want people speculating anything
flat vapor
whether they decide to come back or move on to another project, will be tackled later
mint pendant
they totally deserve as long a break as they want, I guess
pure fog
Hey all, just joined hoping to get an answer for a question, if anyone knows the answer (couldn't find anything on it). I'm missing a song in the contractor list that I'm meant to obtain from a Eurydice, however I'm fairly confident I've completed the entirety of the storyline for said character. Has anyone else encountered this?
pure fog
Yeah, my understanding is that I'm meant to get it from Eurydice but I've not encountered any new lines from her (and have finished her entire ambrosia storyline, as well as Orpheus). I figured I'd have encountered whatever dialogue by now (120 runs in and past epilogue). Just thought I'd see if anyone had encountered it, in case I somehow missed something I needed to do. Oh well! I'll just keep running it and hope it'll pop up
Thanks!
granite ether
what songs do you have @pure fog
by knowing which ones you have, it will help determine what you don't
pure fog
I have everything but Good Riddance
granite ether
even ||Unseen ones?||
pure fog
Yep! I'm trying to complete everything from the contractor right now and that is seemingly the only thing I'm short :\
jagged ivy
huh
that's odd for sure
I think you should get it when ||they are reunited pretty sure||
pure fog
||I've reunited both Orpheus and Eurydice + forged the bond with them|| just learned how to put things in spoiler tags
granite ether
that might be a bug then, definitely worth F10'ing it so one of the QA can have a look at the save for you
pure fog
I'm playing on the switch unfortunately
granite ether
ahh, worth posting that you're having this issue in #h1-tech-support then (be sure to mention you're playing the switch version)
pure fog
okay, I'll do that shortly! Thanks for reading and guiding me
granite ether
no worries ^_^
barren ocean
im seriously considering buying a switch pro controller so i dont destroy my joycons lmao
my poor buttons
I dont think theyre meant to endure this much abuse
restive juniper
So, I've noticed an odd exploit that may be unique to PC users with a mechanical keyboard.
If I press the spacebar but don't allow the mechanical switch to reset by not releasing the button fully I can spam out double the number of consecutive dashes Zagreus has available, regardless of any Hermes boons.
Has anyone else been able to duplicate this?
jagged ivy
what weapon is equipped right now?
||that's intended||
||only for that weapon though||
granite ether
spoiler tag that please @restive juniper
jagged ivy
oh yeah
granite ether
4th aspects are spoilers here
jagged ivy
my bad
restive juniper
How do I do that again...
jagged ivy
||that's why they call it "rapid" dashes pretty sure||
restive juniper
I'll figure it out later. Deleted it for now
I guess it wasn't obvious when I first looked at it
jagged ivy
||it's okay there's a lot to unpack (not sure if I need to spoiler this)||
tribal glade
@barren ocean i 100% recommend getting a pro controller for this if you're playing on switch
actually, i recommend getting a pro controller for switch, period lol
barren ocean
I mean i havent needed to considering i dont have a tv
so its not like i ever dock my switch
But yea it might be nicer on the hands
tribal glade
yeah still works wonders even when just having it on the stand
chrome flicker
Completed my 50th run today. This game is so well done, I could feel my progress from run to run. After I got my first win I won 8/20 games after that with different weapons. You really feel a sense of progressions.
I imagine for a good player anything other than a win with new heat is a disappointment. But beating the game itself is a reward that you have to work your way up to.
eager path
Anyone find playing this game on pc hard?
jagged ivy
not any harder than switch... are you talking about controllers here?
eager path
nah I am playing with mouse and keyboard
dashing with wasd seems a little clunky for me
jagged ivy
some people prefer it, others prefer controller
tawdry flower
I prefer joystick movement.
jagged ivy
yeah but I like the aim of the keyboard and mouse
ok lol
I mainly play controller though
I would give it a shot @eager path
hushed hamlet
I've been doing it on controller personally
Im finally on heat 1
and i still get owned by hades
I hade the satyr place, I get hit with poison and all their bs
lost hazel
any reason i cant post in feedback?
orchid pagoda
Keyboard and mouse for me. Controllers feel weird to me.
Feedback is closed for now
It's in the #announcements
granite ether
read the pinned messages in the channel @lost hazel
the channel is closing tomorrow @orchid pagoda
orchid pagoda
Oh, alright.
lost hazel
thx
granite ether
We will be locking and archiving this channel at around 5pm PST this Friday, October 2 (this channel being #hades-feedback)
directly from the announcement
orchid pagoda
Ah, see. It's 2nd October for me, so I got confused.
granite ether
it is for me too
orchid pagoda
Time zone buddies!
granite ether
east coast Aus for me 
orchid pagoda
Time zone buddies but not continent buddies!
dark oxide
Hey guys, I'm having trouble finding ||Sigil of the Dead||
||It's a keepsake from Hades, right? He should accept nectars when sitting at his desk?||
||It's the only Keepsake I don't have||
dark oxide
ouch just a moment, finding out how to do this
dark oxide
If anyone has any idea how to get it please let me know. ||Websites say I should only give 2 nectars to him, but I don't have this option when I get near his table. I have every other keepsake...||
flat vapor
keep playing
jagged ivy
^
dark oxide
keep playing
@flat vapor thx... it's just that I already have 90 hours of play time... seemed like a bug or something
And didn't find any other similar question on reddit
tawdry flower
How’s your relationship with ||Persephone||?
eager path
Anyone know why Dusa has no body?
eager path
I thought they gave u a new body in the underworld
eh I am overthinking this
She is really adorable tho. Unlike the myths
tawdry flower
Dusa is best girl, after all
eager path
Nah i still think it's afrodite
static wadi
Tomatos is the best girl
dark oxide
How’s your relationship with ||Persephone||?
@tawdry flower ||Hum, I can't find her on my codex, but I reached her more than 10 times... if I need to progress on the game just let me know||
granite ether
nah, it's ||Bouldy|| for sure
buoyant merlin
I understand Super Giants philosophy but god damn I'd love further content updates. I know we've already gotten so much and I'm sure they're taking a very well deserved break, but whew
tawdry flower
@dark oxide has she ||come home yet||? Might need conversation with Achilles and to find something in ||Hades||’s room first
eager path
I understand Super Giants philosophy but god damn I'd love further content updates. I know we've already gotten so much and I'm sure they're taking a very well deserved break, but whew
@buoyant merlin I mean it probably took a super giant effort and lots of crunch to create this game. A long break would be nice especially since the crunch in the gaming industry burns people out
buoyant merlin
Definitely take a couple of months or whatever is necessary
Cory Balrogs philosphy is basically take a vacation to bore yourself into working again
dark oxide
@dark oxide has she ||come home yet||? Might need conversation with Achilles and to find something in ||Hades||’s room first
@tawdry flower ||She didn't. I just entered hades room and reached her to talk about the picture. But, good to know, I may need to reach her a few more times then and it will unlock the keepsake then, I believe. Thank you....||
eager path
There have been reports that alot of gaming companies like EA and even Cd Projekt Red are having crunch issues.
If crunch is too much people leave companies 😿
tawdry flower
@dark oxide did you look around the room and find her ||portrait||?
granite ether
https://www.kotaku.com.au/2019/09/the-secret-to-the-success-of-bastion-pyre-and-hades-no-forced-crunch-yes-forced-vacations/ I feel like this article is still relevent
static wadi
i cant say pyre was such succesfull as Transistor or Bastion
tawdry flower
Cause you’re supposed to be ||let past Hades|| when you get there with info about the picture. You might need more dialogue with Hades before you go
dark oxide
Thx for the help @tawdry flower, I'm relieved now. I was thinking maybe it was a glitch on my save file or something. Couldn't find anything online talking about this
tawdry flower
Well, it did just get added to the game 2 weeks ago.
granite ether
objectively, Pyre didn't sell anywhere near as well as Bastion or Transistor, but it's also an incredibly niche game by comparison
static wadi
@granite ether i like pyre more than bastion
round plinth
question
static wadi
but sometimes it was so hard to win or lose
granite ether
answer
eager path
Speaking of transistor, that humming soundtrack is so nice.
granite ether
ikr :3
round plinth
why (or how) is zag so hot
buoyant merlin
A relevant kotaku article. A rarity
static wadi
cuz his legs are burning
eager path
why (or how) is zag so hot
@round plinth Because the artist(s) know what the audience wants 😉
static wadi
and warm his body
tawdry flower
Everybody is real hot
eager path
hotter than Asphodel
I love how the Gods treat you so well
they arent condescending and actually want to help you get out of hell
static wadi
they want u escape more than Zag wants
eager path
Yea please dont spoil
static wadi
it's just a joke
tawdry flower
Gods are very fickle about what interests them: they might have a passing interest in helping him, but I guarantee some are treating it like a soap opera they can’t stop watching
static wadi
@tawdry flower as i understand they cant see or even hear him well
tawdry flower
Radio drama
static wadi
oh worlds begins tomorrow
eager path
oh worlds begins tomorrow
@static wadi You mean League of Legends Worlds?
static wadi
y
thorny arrow
Not a hundred percent this is a bug but unless I'm mistaken the house contractor misleadingly has an excelmation point over their head. I found a reddit thread that seems to present the same issue: https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/iwvrwi/the_exclamation_mark_floating_above_house/
thorny arrow
Is it supposed to have an "!" mark if you haven't bought everything or just if you haven't seen everything
I swore it used to be just if you haven't seen everything
tawdry flower
Have you bought everything in Work Orders?
granite ether
it shows if you can purchase a work order iirc
tawdry flower
Awww, Tisiphone ||learned to say my name||. How thoughtful.
thorny arrow
Oh yeah, I see that makes sense
I just started unlocking the last couple cosmetic work orders
and I haven't finished them
thats prolly why
static wadi
T:Murderer!!!
Z: Can you say something else?
T: ...yes....
Z: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
T: But noone will believe you
tawdry flower
I believe i saw that it a pinned message
tawdry flower
@thorny arrow i believe you also need to have enough to buy the resource for the ! To show up.
oak gust
whew I just 100% Hades
static wadi
@oak gust epilogue?
oak gust
yes and all the other achievements
static wadi
wp dude
oak gust
and it all took me 213 hours
static wadi
how many runs?
jagged crescent
guys i just got to boss for the frist time and he wrecked me and now im stuck on a black screen.. what do i do
i dont wanna lose the story 😭
smoky wharf
@jagged crescent please refer to him as either redacted, final boss, or use spoiler tags as the final boss and afterwards is considered spoilers in this channel
as for your problem i have no clue
jagged crescent
sorry i didnt know if he was the final boss or not tbh
static wadi
@jagged crescent try #h1-tech-support mb
distant totem
mosspimp if you miss story content b/c of it you can youtube someone else's first redacted loss to see what you missed
static wadi
@distant totem he fixed it
lapis kettle
Guys, any tips on getting the use a god's greater call against them achievement?
lapis kettle
But like, you have to use the 4 bar one right?
static wadi
not sure tbh
tawdry flower
That’s what greater call refers to, yes
lapis kettle
Because I always clear the room before I can get it
tawdry flower
There’s a ||heat|| option that ||adds more enemies to each level|| if you’re worried you won’t hit high enough
lapis kettle
Ohhhhhhhh, ok yeah that seems like an easy way to make it easier
Thanks Ginge
Yeah I guess, just have to get lucky with the boons
Thanks guys
static wadi
anyway for me is more problematic find room with god i wan
ember flame
Finally got my first win!! 
static wadi
now do it again!
lapis kettle
Another!
meager barn
1 step closer to 69
austere jasper
i came so close to finishing 
meager barn
that’s what she-
brisk trail
Do I need to use fists and hoping for ||Asterius solo fight RNG|| to prompt in order for him to help unlock the fists' hidden aspect? Or any other weapon is okay, as long as the fists already got 5 titan bloods spent on 2nd and 3rd aspect?
lofty phoenix
does anyone know where I can find old character portraits? I've been playing since the first early access patch, and have forgotten what a lot of the old god portraits look lke
static wadi
@lofty phoenix which exactly?
lofty phoenix
just in general. I definitely remember artemis being different, and maybe ares?
cinder lichen
damn that looks crunchy
static wadi
found it on Hades wiki
distant totem
@brisk trail all the guides I've seen say you have to have malphon equipped
cinder lichen
@brisk trail I think you need to trigger a prerequisite dialogue with the fists ||Something about bare-handed combat||. If you did that, then the next time you encounter him with any weapon or aspect, he will tell you ||about a dream||.
Unless he has something else to say, lol
lofty phoenix
Yeah, although there were a few more. Artemis got a complete redesign, and I can't find the old one.
brisk trail
I see. Thanks @distant totem @cinder lichen
cinder lichen
It was either my first or second time encountering the guy after I launched my game after 1.0, and I know I didn't equip the fists before then. You definitely don't need to have the fists equipped to get the ||waking phrase|| for that aspect, just for the first prerequisite line.
cinder lichen
Old Nyx was pretty though despite being a placeholder at the time.
static wadi
that portrait matched her voice
cinder lichen
I just associated the placeholder cloak with that character specifically. Charon, more or less.
high wadi
Did a cursory search on reddit and the wiki but wanted to double check here with folks:
I have Dusa's hearts maxed out but still don't have a bond forged with her.
Besides her and Aphrodite final level (for which she's a prerequisite) everyone else is maxed.
I just have to keep spamming runs and hope for the RNG like the epilogue trigger right?
brisk trail
Yed
Yes
I have finished the game but have not u unlock any 4th aspect even if i max every aspegt of the shield lol
I thought you had to max everything to unlock
brisk trail
I would say 3
visual portal
okay so like
I gave 1, and then another 2 to || Dusa ||
so I assume I'll need 3 more
static wadi
@brisk trail did u do spear aspect?
static wadi
do it 1st for 4th
brisk trail
Ok
high wadi
@visual portal
||So for Than and Meg I think it's actually 4 - one ambrosia for the "unlock" before the heart arrow and then one each for the 3 hearts after||
||Dusa is 11 total I think? 1, 2, 3 then 5||
Spoiler'd everything because I wasn't sure if I was supposed to for the latter character or something
high wadi
OH but at the very end of ||Dusa|| path you can get all of the ones you gave her back
high wadi
consider those resources locked away for a good while though
sand stump
Especially her chibi
violet bolt
Quick question, does the planned cross-save functionality also support Switch -> PC? Or just PC -> Switch?
sudden dome
violet bolt
Yeah it's great, there's some lag at points when there's a lot happening, but it's not often
plain cloak
not a lot of room for personal preferences in feedback channel there damn
high wadi
I just checked it and I mean, it's not like anybody's flaming you
the thumbs up and down are basically just people agreeing or disagreeing - just as you have room to express your opinion, those emote responses are other people expressing theirs
agile saddle
how come Poseidon's attack buff has a low base damage modifier with a pretty weak secondary effect yet his special buff has a high base value with the same effect while something like Aphrodite has high scaling on all of her boons with a good effect?
i think Poseidon has the lowest base value on attack boons? not counting Ares/Zues/Dio has they don't have a % boost
hard pawn
cause poseidon primary spams knockback
static wadi
athena and demeter no2
agile saddle
true but crits are completely busted. slightly moving an enemy is not
static wadi
Aphro is strongest
agile saddle
yes he has great duos
agile saddle
yeah...
edgy nimbus
hi
im having trouble getting the hidden aspects
hard pawn
they're usable in niche builds, as most legendaries are
@edgy nimbus check pins in #h1-story-discussion
meager barn
and the only must have passive he has is oceans bounty which is hella nice
meager barn
i’m with you there bud lol
high wadi
Which weapon?
meager barn
been like 8 won runs since i fulfilled every criteria
agile saddle
though once i had legendary Pos boon on Chaos shield and i could clear whole rooms from wall crashing
meager barn
shouldn’t matter
edgy nimbus
idk ive won on every weapon as well
meager barn
you don’t need to win a run to get hidden aspects
just reach final boss
imo giving it priority on achilles lines would be a great thing to patch in
meager barn
it’s kind of ridiculous that it doesn’t immediately show up after the first run you get everything for
like skully does when you unlock aspects for the first time
edgy nimbus
starting a run then quitting doest reset convo so if i really wanted to really farm convo I'd need to fully die which would be tedious as well
agile saddle
fist hidden aspect is not from Achilles even
edgy nimbus
i guess i could reset my darkness then just die over and over but thata lame
static wadi
hidden aspects are kinda spoilers ppl
hard pawn
yeah
meager barn
especially considering how game changing they are for certain weapons
agile saddle
give up won't reset anything. u can just die to reset the house
meager barn
i guess yea
hard pawn
fist hidden aspect is not from Achilles even
yes it is
agile saddle
achilles does not give you fist words
hard pawn
i read first oof
agile saddle
lol
edgy nimbus
well does anyone know if tis a low % or im just incredilby unlucky
hard pawn
you're just unlucky
static wadi
@edgy nimbus did u open secret spear?
narrow canyon
ok quick question
edgy nimbus
im tryna get that one
crimson totem
I never seem to get tis either
hard pawn
tbh idk how long that line takes to get cause i just kinda booted up my save and had ||guan yu|| available for purchase
meager barn
i think there’s a list of dialogue that happen in order and they pile up
narrow canyon
does shattered shackle still apply if your attack is buffed by a chaos boon]
hard pawn
also spoiler tag ||hidden aspect|| talk in here
narrow canyon
or is it only for attack slot boons
agile saddle
conversations can be frustrating since its rng
edgy nimbus
shatterd shackle should work with chaos boons
static wadi
@edgy nimbus ||did u spend blood for hades or achiles aspect?||
edgy nimbus
||I have every non hidden aspect||
static wadi
so rng only
agile saddle
does Than leave the game after you get the ending or something? Than has not been in the house since the v1.0 release for me.
hard pawn
Than, like Meg, is only at the house after you beat them in a run
agile saddle
Than has not showed up on any of my runs since v1.0 release
hard pawn
welcome to rng
agile saddle
he always sshowed up at least once before
hard pawn
also he has a higher chance to appear further into a run
static wadi
@agile saddle mb he just stop loving you
agile saddle
he rarely shows up in Tart but still like i play everyday and have not seen him since release
agile saddle
i mean they buffed his encounter rate...
edgy nimbus
i swear i saw than way more often before i beat the final boss for the first time
crimson totem
I been tryin to ||get a relationship with dusa and I totally lost as far as what to do next. Gave her all the ambrosia she need (her hearts are maxed out at least) but idk what to do now||
agile saddle
i just wanna see my boyfriend more. I rejected Meg for him 
static wadi
isnt all this stuff is spoiler?
hard pawn
I been tryin ||to get a relationship with dusa and I totally lost as far as what to do next. Gave her all the ambrosia she need (her hearts are maxed out at least) but idk what to do now||
she'll come to you after a while, just keep playing
yes it is
tag your spoilers nerds 
hard pawn
its part of the story
static wadi
it's part of the story u know
hard pawn
it'd be like me not spoiler warning ||who skelly works for||
static wadi
coffe can u bite him for spoilers?
high wadi
@static wadi I think your threshold for spoilers is a little strict
like... parts of the cast existing
hard pawn
if a character has a requirement to unlock i consider it spoilers, but especially spoiling character relationship progression is a nono
uh, not including the ones whose unlock is "not your first run"
static wadi
for me spoilers is all what can be part of intresting story which you prefer to explore yourself
not hear from others
crimson totem
It's not exactly a secret though, you don't really have to explore to find that out
high wadi
I'm genuinely not trying to be a devil's advocate a-hole here, but then what would be the point of a discussion channel if not to discuss the game under the common understanding that you've all played it to a certain extent right?
hard pawn
||Dusa's relationship is way more complicated than the other two, its definitely a thing that should be explored by ones self||
granite ether
this channel specifically says no spoilers
hard pawn
@high wadi cause there's a #h1-story-discussion channel
static wadi
@high wadi dude are u kidding
granite ether
exactly ^_^
high wadi
WELL HECK that'd totally my bad then
static wadi
i said i dont speak english good
hard pawn
plus its not like you can't talk about stuff here, you just gotta take the extra second to add ||s
i know, so much effort
crimson totem
Well yeah but it's not as if I spoiled anything about it, just that it exists and I have progressed through it to a point.
granite ether
the fact it exists is spoilers to some 
crimson totem
Hm
static wadi
for some is 32 and EM4 is spoiler u know
crimson totem
I suppose so
static wadi
so better be careful
river cargo
hey guys i’ve been trying to look for a clear answer about the hades game. Can you max out everyone’s heart in this game?
static wadi
@river cargo sure why not
crimson totem
Well anyway, I've done like 5 escapes since I ||maxed out her relationship|| so is it just bad rng that nothing has happened
static wadi
if u have enough drink and time
high wadi
@river cargo yup! No relationship paths are mutually exclusive
hard pawn
@crimson totem yeah she'll come to your room after a while ||like meg does twice|| its just rng
static wadi
yes
crimson totem
Just wanna make sure I'm not missing anything
river cargo
also curious how many times have you guys died before you got to the end of the game? I just fixed my switches drift on the joycon but i’ve only managed to get up to styx technically
static wadi
or may not
crimson totem
Lemme check how long it took me until I reached the final boss
static wadi
@river cargo wdym end? ||epilogue or titles?||
river cargo
uhh epilogue i guess
static wadi
didnt reach it yet
hard pawn
given that he said he's only reached styx, he probably just means first win
river cargo
yeah lol
hard pawn
aka ||unlocking the actual game||
river cargo
and i’m a she but thanks for the help
crimson totem
mine was on my 33rd
hard pawn
my bad
crimson totem
Elysium kicked my ass for the longest time
river cargo
it’s all good @hard pawn
hard pawn
yeah Elysium is definitely a big difficulty wall
mighty coyote
76 for my first run ;-; 92 until ending though
river cargo
same and damn im pretty bad then 😅 im hitting like....70 but i blame the drift
edgy nimbus
i think i took 49 or so to escape once
rough token
I think I was early 20s?
Don't stress it though, go for it at your own speed
river cargo
77 technically lol
static wadi
and far far far away from epilogue i think
edgy nimbus
but i did take the meandering route of trying out as much stuff as possible
rough token
treecko, quick question--that's a tangrowth, not a treecko?
edgy nimbus
correct
mighty coyote
i think i could've done it faster if i knew how to use keepsakes / mirror better, didnt know about the skelly tooth/acorn
river cargo
yeah i wanted to do a bunch of renovations so probably taking a lot longer than usual
mighty coyote
||quick question, might be a bug - are there 8th + 9th hearts for dusa supposed to cost 2 and 3 ambrosia?||
fading gazelle
Yes
crimson totem
mark that for spoilers tacocat
mighty coyote
crimson totem
same character actually
river cargo
^^
static wadi
i guess it would be something awful
when u old u cant enjoy ur food same way as younger you(
dont become old it's a trap
fading gazelle
Aw crud
rough token
oh?
fading gazelle
How do I do that 😱
rough token
oh lmao
just get to level 20 and get the epic boon of immortality
or insert other pop culture reference here
wind wedge
also curious how many times have you guys died before you got to the end of the game? I just fixed my switches drift on the joycon but i’ve only managed to get up to styx technically
@river cargo just to provide a "high" level for this: 107 runs to beat the final boss for the first time.
I still can't get used to DnD being pop culture now 🙂
river cargo
oh my good to know 😅 idk if i’ll make it to 107 runs to beat the game at this rate that i’m going so lol @wind wedge
distant totem
hades subreddit front page is literally all memes and fan art right now (except for 1 ||fishing|| thread)
guess this happens to all subreddits for games with a narrative lol
sharp fossil
||fishing|| is the most important part of the game
meager barn
it sucks that im never going to finish that ||fishing prophecy||
my reaction speed is so bad
meager barn
because its ||funny||
sharp fossil
hardest part of the game i swear
hard pawn
||we can't spill the secrets of the fish||
rough token
are you || sure ||?
wind wedge
It is technically a spoiler, yeah
meager barn
||fishing|| is the final boss of the game
wind wedge
I guess
distant totem
very secret
rough token
|| technically you're not wrong ||
sharp fossil
||fishing|| is the final boss of the game
@meager barn ||chaos legendary fish is harder than EM4 tbh||
wind wedge
Also, it definitely is the hardest part of the game. I've yet to get a ||perfect catch|| and I have been trying for the past 40 hours or so.
meager barn
||fax||
wind wedge
Reaction speed just isn't up to it.
rough token
ah, do you want some tips?
distant totem
just play at 240 fps 
meager barn
i would ||love|| some, personally
wind wedge
I mean, I know to look for ||the flash and not the bob||
hard pawn
||Hades has an interaction post-credits where he talks about a fish, one of the best interactions in the game imo|| (this ones an actual spoiler its not ||fish||)
wind wedge
but it literally takes too long for the signal to travel down my nerves to my fingers and press the button
meager oriole
It's really just practice,
hard pawn
use your palm
distant totem
have u tried moving ur nerves closer to the button
meager oriole
Pain*
rough token
(note that these don't work on switch, I don't have a trick for that yet)
On PC, put your finger over the bob so you're not distracted by it. Helps a bit. Might not help with that, but could
On controller, rely on vibration
sharp fossil
have u tried moving ur nerves closer to the button
pro gamer move
meager barn
djno i havent ||tried|| that yet, good point
hard pawn
if you're on a controller, move your palm to the bumper when fishing; you can press your palm faster than flexing to press a button
rough token
I've always wondered how people spelled that
wind wedge
I'm on m+kb.
meager oriole
spell what
distant totem
oh that's not what I was going for but it works lol
meager barn
||digiorno||
rough token
that's not delivery!
distant totem
zeph's got it tho
meager oriole
||diggerido||
wind wedge
Well, now it's the official spelling of d'y'know in this channel.
distant totem
am I crazy or are there set timings?