greeting
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@brisk trail keyboard
#h1-discussion
dry arch
dumb question but what was today's update?
storm jasper
I just got the credits for Hades. Wow wow what an experience :0
fervent crystal
I gotta hand it down the perfomance of hades has really improved
I was worried while playing it in EA since it had fram drops when it was busy but it runs butter smooth in v1.0
pseudo kindle
What’s the best attack boon for malphon? Zeus?
real ridge
@rough token im dumb. i just realized what you meant and that aspects changes the appearance of the weapon XD
south lava
Zeus is good because it has low base damage and rapid hits. Athena is good so you can punch safely.
Demeter stacks real fast which is nice as well.
south lava
Not exactly an attack boon, but Support Fire from artemis is nice.
quaint hatch
It's awesome
Basically free damage
buoyant merlin
Hades but instead ||everytime you beat it your mother reads you 1 chapter of a tale of 2 cities||
brisk trail
oh god no
distant lotus
Time to attempt max difficulty with Chiron bow
brisk trail
gl
tight idol
Hey I have a simple question: Can you reject all boons you are offered?
I'm currently being offered three boons all of which would overwrite existing boons that I prefer
distant lotus
So immediately forgot there's was only 1 dash
brisk trail
@tight idol have you maxed out the mirror
because then reroll
if not then take one a scrub later
brisk trail
F
quaint bramble
It’s because you used up the rest of that gods boons I believe, I asked for a skip button a while ago after being in that situation but nothing changed
distant lotus
I lasted exactly 1:14.70
brisk trail
I lasted exactly 1:14.70
that hurts
quaint hatch
I mean as long as it's not main attack boons you can still sell them off
tight idol
It's a little annoying, but I guess it kind of fits the theme that you can't just straight up reject a god's gifts right to their face
quaint hatch
Free money if you go boon less or have boons you don't like
tight idol
@quaint hatch sure, but I'm still losing my old boon
steep blaze
Opinion: If you slow walk down the hallway when you return to House of Hades, Hypnos should stay asleep.
tawdry flower
Post Credits spoilers: ||What happens if you didn’t catch all of the fish in Greece before you get Persephone to come home? I got all of them, but I do miss the extra fishing on the surface now that I’ve finished the main story||
quaint hatch
You can still fish
raven silo
||You can get spots in the final boss arena||
brisk trail
^
quaint hatch
Spots can appear in ||hades fight||
tawdry flower
I’ve yet to see one in the last 15 runs
brisk trail
||before you fight dad you have a dad and son bonding moment when they go fishing together||
quaint hatch
@tight idol never happened to me
But you should be able to regain the boon
Of course depends on how far you are in the run
sterile pollen
just cleared elysium and it felt great
quaint hatch
Congrats
brisk trail
nice job
brisk trail
get ready the next area is a lot of poison
sterile pollen
i dunno those respawn mobs were kinda annoying
tight idol
@quaint hatch literally one corridor from the final boss 😅
sterile pollen
but the poison killed me pretty fast so i see what you mean
brisk trail
great shields are pain
quaint hatch
Well than you, as hades said, probably exhausted the boon pool
tight idol
Yeah
sterile pollen
reflect is just soo nice imo
brisk trail
it is
quaint hatch
You're starting to see the light
tight idol
I've never experienced anything like it before either
sterile pollen
hydra always seemed easier than the other bosses for me
snow flame
agreed
sterile pollen
was using the op chiron bow as I'm bad but chaos shield is fun?
brisk trail
shield is my favorite
opaque nexus
lernie is just annoying
opaque knoll
shield is very good
sterile pollen
i need to be good to get more blood tho
distant lotus
Lernie is wonderful and how dare you even insult him and his multitude of heads like that
opaque nexus
I just completed the prophecy for every pact modifier
distant lotus
You have to escape using the modifies right?
opaque nexus
and no fated persuasion + fewer boon choices is deadly
I also got the one for every mirror thing
and I really hate stubborn defiance
final boss gets so much harder without the safety net of more than 1 defiance
distant lotus
I can't remember which mirror upgrades I needed to complete a run with, but I don't think I got through with SD
rough token
pretty sure my first clear was with SD
distant lotus
My first clear might have been with it but I'm not totally confident
Typing be hard 
quaint hatch
Shield be most fun with bow
I'm impressed cin
I'm still struggling with myself to even do the mirror prophecy lol
Just doing regular runs on higher ||heat|| is more fun for me than grinding out stuff
opaque nexus
Damn poseidon aspect is good
woeful pendant
new update?
north pier
probably just minor bug fixes
north pier
i think they were just curious about today's update
north pier
@woeful pendant some devs detail the minor bug patches, some don't- supergiant patches like 8 times a week especially around new releases so it would get pretty silly to see every bug patched
jade crescent
jeez EM4 is haaaaaard
fringe garnet
just downloaded a 22mb update for Hades, anyone know what it does?
north pier
minor bug fixes
fringe garnet
yeah but i wanna know what bugs lol
crystal bolt
||he's not very good at it||
thick ledge
quaint hatch
Well hell soon have ||a new one||
fringe garnet
as a tip @calm bone , you probably want to provide more context around spoiler tags! just seeing a black bar tells you nothing - clicking it could spoil the very epilogue of the game. it's biggest twist. or a minor joke from the second boss battle.
it's a total and complete gamble the way you do it
fringe garnet
BETTER FORMAT: "just learned something from a flashback a handful of hours in: ||Zagreus had a job after all!?||"
that way, folks reading it have a better idea of whether or not they already know what you're spoil tagging or not
quaint hatch
Idk
It's censored so it's people's risk
fringe garnet
for instance, in your spoil tag, you said zagreus had a ||job.|| i already knew that - so it wasn't a spoiler. but what if it said ||child?|| that would be a much bigger spoiler
calm bone
its not like its that big of plot twist or anything
quaint hatch
If it's censored there's a reason
fringe garnet
there's ZERO downside to providing more context to folks before they click a spoiler tag
calm bone
I wasnt even sure if it actually happened or was just a dream of his, it all seemed so silly
quaint hatch
My time
fringe garnet
UPSIDE: you lessen the risk of folks spoiling something for themselves
jade crescent
||Tony Stark died in endgame||
quaint hatch
God dammit
fringe garnet
lol if writing one extra context-setting sentence wastes your Super Valuable Time, you are either a world leader and should not be playing video games or are incredibly selfish lol
north pier
the down side to providing more context is that ||you have to spend a lot of time making sure the context is apt|| so that nobody gets unduly spoiled
fringe garnet
inconveniencing yourself to write one sentence to potentially save other people from spoilers is good
quaint hatch
This is super endgame stuff: ||don't read this it's spoilers||
calm bone
it was barely even related to the story and barely counts as a spoiler if you ask me
fringe garnet
i hope you have something you love ruined for you someday voldi, because someone didn't want to take 10 seconds of effort to protect you
barren ember
I just want to say
fringe garnet
@calm bone in that instance, absolutely 100%. i was talking as a general rule.
north pier
then like, just don't click spoilers
fringe garnet
but i have seen people just put in spoiler tags with no context (exactly the way you did) twists from late game
calm bone
if it was actually something important maybe I would bother to care enough
quaint hatch
Wtf the use of spoiler tagging is telling people "be careful, that could ruin your game experience"
It in itself warns people
I'm sry but how are you the person to judge how I spend my time?
north pier
that's what the spoiler tag is for
the spoiler tag is the warning, "you'll get spoiled if you click this"
fringe garnet
you're missing the point, @north pier
barren ember
I had my first clear today, after a long time of not clearing prior to 1.0.... and I got to see the final stage for the first time, and it was so beautiful
jade crescent
reliken you're taking it way too serious
north pier
the spoiler tag is the warning
quaint hatch
I think you're deliberately not reading our point @fringe garnet
barren ember
and I feel like there's so much new story to discover. It fills me with wonder again. Like there is so much more of the game to play. Even after 100+ runs
quaint hatch
It's not like we're a discord not respecting people's enjoyment of the game
That's the whole point
crystal bolt
your first full clear?@barren ember
jade crescent
yup, still haven't hit the epilogue and I'm sitting right around 100
barren ember
first after 1.0
crystal bolt
ahhh
quaint hatch
If you click on a spoiler tag, that's your responsibility imo
barren ember
also, first clear with the bow!
crystal bolt
it's great. so much good stuff.
quaint hatch
Congrats man
What do you think about the bow?
fringe garnet
Providing more context does two things:
#1) it saves people from being accidentally spoiled because they have context.
#2) it involves more people in the conversation. If you're careful not to click spoiler tags you don't know about (like me!), then you will just straight-up not participate in conversation b/c you don't click the tag. If I had enough context to know that the tag ISN'T a spoiler for me, I would actually read it and participate and offer feedback - but absent context, i don't participate.
this latter implication - #2 - is the bigger deal, especially in the context of the feedback channel
calm bone
I dunno if Im liking the 4th spear aspect so far
fringe garnet
||everyone dies at the end of rogue one||
||jean valjean dies at the end of Les Mis||
||darth vader is luke's father||
jade crescent
lol
fringe garnet
jade crescent
the entire point of spoiler tags are view at your own risk, by clicking without context that's on you. If someone choses to add context, that's just going above and beyond your duty
fringe garnet
like i said nitrous, it wasn't about that specific instance, it was about the general concept
quaint hatch
@fringe garnet
I clicked your spoiler tags
I'm not mad
Because I willingly took the risk
Grow up
jade crescent
besides, even the name of the final boss is spoilt in this discord like once an hour
crystal bolt
||I've found Guan Yu's spear to be great with Ares @calm bone||
fringe garnet
right voldi, but it would have taken me 0 effort to give context
calm bone
I literally dont care about anything you are saying you are sounding like a complete whiny Karen right now
fringe garnet
it's funny because you two are obviously teenagers
quaint hatch
WTF
young shore
The final boss is ||Dusa's love.||
quaint hatch
why you gotta bring age into this
fringe garnet
because you're immature children?
barren ember
@quaint hatch I still think it's the hardest weapon, maybe because it feels like I'm more vulnerable with it than with others
north pier
the effort isn't zero, quit treating a double-length message as "zero effort" when it took you 5 minutes to type 3 sentences
jade crescent
huh, an ad hominem unrelated to the points being made?
barren ember
I need to get better at avoiding damage.
fringe garnet
"my time is too valuable to write a pre-sentence, i don't care about other people"
quaint hatch
I don't know
Getting personal is pretty childish I think
north pier
@fringe garnet correct
crystal bolt
Athena's dash ability is a life-saver in that regard @barren ember I get it almost every time it's available
quaint hatch
I was stating my point and never being rude and you just personally attack me
Is that the grown up thing to do?
jade crescent
most people who bring age into an argument are themselves conscious about their own age
fringe garnet
You definitely were being rude - and dismissive, and condescending.
young shore
I joined the server 4 minutes ago, thought "man I wonder if there's a general casual channel" and we're off to rage land.
Be a good child of Demeter. Let it go.
quaint hatch
Shouldn't we state or points and try to interact without attacking out egos
barren ember
@crystal bolt haha yeah, I usually get it too. This last time I had artemis's dash-strike, which I didn't even need. In the final boss, I kept dashing into projectiles thinking I'd reflect them, out of pure muscle memory
calm bone
reliken go change your name to Karen please
fringe garnet
fringe garnet
"you are such a karen"
"ok, you're immature"
"OMG you are making ad hominems, you are so rude" lmao
the lack of self awareness
it's hilarious
barren ember
I propose everyone get a drink of water and come back. That's what I'm gonna do anyway 🙂
crystal bolt
yeah that happens to me too lol. get too used to the auto-blocks
jade crescent
those were from 3 different people
north pier
Ok so how many upgrades do i need for the lounge ||before dusa and I admit our undying love for one another and have beautiful floating children||
quaint hatch
@fringe garnet I can see that you think my general point is dismissive
And I can give you that
But I never was dismissive to you directly
minor pecan
quaint hatch
While you call me immature, unselfaware and arrogant
calm bone
I spoiler tagged something that was already irrelevant to the story then this guy goes on a karen rage, because I didnt word it well enough for him......
quaint hatch
What you interpret into my point is of course your personal thing
But please don't take it out on us
Yo nitrous throwing Karen around also doesn't make it better
I'd wish we would just not flame each other
calm bone
he actually needs to check himself
quaint hatch
Maybe but that isn't the point of why we are writing In this discord you know
Btw I hope I'm not rude towards you with that
calm bone
you're fine
quaint hatch
I don't want to take moral high ground here
toxic thunder
me: comes to ask peaceful questions
discord chat: nO yOu’RE tHE kArEN
calm bone
Im mostly just laughing over it and a bit baffled
north pier
yeah will somone answer my ||dusa|| question
north pier
at 5:07
north pier
oh goodness i realized i am bad at discord
barren ember
The new zone after the final boss is so pretty
north pier
Ok so how many upgrades do i need for the lounge ||before dusa and I admit our undying love for one another and have beautiful floating children||
@north pier here we go
barren ember
do you get there the first time you beat Redacted?
calm bone
make sure to keep a look out for fish in the final zone too
quaint hatch
I'm not sure on the exact number
I did around 15 upgrades I think
barren ember
I didn't look for any fish 😦
tulip ocean
First clear with fists
north pier
got it
quaint hatch
Good on you matrim
calm bone
you can get some pretty valuable fish over there
crystal bolt
I don't think the fish spawn the first time @barren ember
jade crescent
baker, 12 plus a rug
fringe garnet
i'm ready to let this go now, i'll just close by reiterating that my point wasn't about that particular message, nitrous. i've seen basically everything in hades, i can't be spoiled anymore. my point was that, in a broader context (especially on the Feedback channel), providing more context for spoiler tags 1) lowers the odds of folks who don't know better accidentally spoiling themselves and 2) lets more people participate in conversations if they know they're safe to click them.
i wasn't calling you evil. i wasn't saying you were a monster or malicious. i wasn't saying "zagreus had a job" was a big spoiler. it was supposed to be a friendly "hey, just so you know :)" comment that you took as a "rage-filled" "personal attack."
@toxic thunder i didn't see any game questions from you but i'll also say that if this thread gets off-topicthere is great game discussion in #h1-builds-and-combat
crystal bolt
but you should see them. they stand out
north pier
is there a benefit to getting a "perfect catch"
jade crescent
bruh
fringe garnet
oops i thought i hit enter a long time ago, sry
@north pier you increase the odds of catching rare fish
barren ember
Thanks @crystal bolt
fringe garnet
fish definitely don't spawn in the final zone the first time you're there
unkempt nacelle
Hey, quick question: my codex doenst track the fishes right away , is it bugged or do they just not appear in the codex right away... or are not all of them tracked
unkempt nacelle
it worked for one of them 😄
unkempt nacelle
mhh
north pier
yep it updates right away
unkempt nacelle
lets hope that doenst lock me out of some 100% stuff 😄
crystal bolt
you say "right away" @unkempt nacelle do they show up later?
like after game restarts?
tulip ocean
My mvp on fist run was dionysus cast and had the Zeus upgrade that hit enemies with lighting in fog
unkempt nacelle
no, one showed up when i caught it, but the other two just dont
I will, i just wanted to make sure its a tech issue and not just me missing something 😄
crystal bolt
upgrades to Dionysus' cast is the best
left elk
Will the well of charon item
"touch of styx" that restores all death defiance, only apear of you don't have any left? I see the single all the time, but have never seen that one in 168 runs. 🤔
crystal bolt
I didn't even know one that restores all existed
left elk
Oh maybe thats not what that is.
jade crescent
lmaoooooooooo I almost had tisiphone ||say my name before she said meg's||
left elk
Its the last item i need for the customer loyalty prophecy
strong furnace
I've only seen restore all defiance from Patrochlus. And even then, I haven't seen it in a while
quaint hatch
Kiss of styx will appear if you lost a dd or multiple
crystal bolt
are you sure it isn't the kiss---^^^
quaint hatch
It's random chance
unkempt nacelle
ok im just too dumb for menues...can defeat hades but cant scroll properly
left elk
I have the kiss
woeful pendant
what do the diamonds do?
quaint hatch
Kiss of styx is just a name
quaint hatch
Wtf there is an item that restores all
coral verge
uh, isn't touch of styx only available if you use Stubborn Defiance?
quaint hatch
Never encountered it lol
crystal bolt
||Your Stubborn Defiance restores +10%||
left elk
@coral verge oohh. F
coral verge
I think it's the item that increases health restored after SD activates
quaint hatch
Would be a bit too much imo
coral verge
just play at ||Heat 0||
left elk
Yeah I never use that one. Lol. It's garbage imo. Thanks guys.
tawdry flower
Huzzah. I learned to play the ||Lyre||
quaint hatch
Still waiting for my musician boys to rope me into that
tulip ocean
wish ||titan blood|| was a little easier to get
jade crescent
why is the epilogue of the story so rare, and how many runs should it take to complete?
tulip ocean
really want to try new weapons but it feels like such a downgrade
crystal bolt
it should take ||10 runs|| @jade crescent
jade crescent
matrim, save up 1200 for when you get to styx, it's about 50/50 chance to be sold from charon
I've seen credits and about 30 runs after ken :/
crystal bolt
oh pfft lol
tulip ocean
I do, I barely got one last run (only had 1240 gold)
crystal bolt
sorry I didn't read that right.
jade crescent
i normally try to have around 900+ by the time I hit styx and the rest you can get twice from a higher heat tier run
per weapon
coral verge
I had 78 runs before ||epilogue|| triggered
quaint hatch
The reward from the first boss will be easy enough to get
There are prophecy rewards and you'll get it onore difficult runs
jade crescent
alright I had about 50 before v1.0 so I should expect to hit it around 130?
tulip ocean
not sure what weapon to try next, ||I have done a lot of runs with Zeus shield, Hera bow, one stygian sword and fist win so far||
quaint hatch
Try chiron
Or chaos
Probably my favorites so far
Though I haven't unlocked all aspects yet
jade crescent
always take the bonus darkness one
quaint hatch
Focusing on leveling the ones I like
crystal bolt
have you won with the ||Rail|| ?
jade crescent
I looooooooove the 4th aspect shield
tulip ocean
I think I have not won with ||rail ||yet
wary whale
so, i got 6 titan blood from the fury sisters, but after that it's just, stopped? is there any way to get more?
calm bone
the 4th spear aspect is kinda wack
crystal bolt
it's great with anything + artemis upgrade that sends arrows after every attack
quaint hatch
As I just said
jade crescent
I like hades spear most
tulip ocean
I think I can win with any weapon now, game is really starting to click so I feel like I succeed more than fail
jade crescent
nadeko you need to either change weapons or up the heat
jade crescent
no it's not 
tulip ocean
you can get 2 ||blood ||per weapon per ||heat||
jade crescent
if you haven't unlocked it, you have no idea what it means either way
quaint hatch
You could say that about a lot of things
calm bone
I though mechanics and stuff didn't count as spoilers
jade crescent
plus a mod warned me and I got spoiler clarification, it's mainly for v1.0 content and story (plus final boss name)
quaint hatch
As I heard it anything including who the final boss is and post game stuff is considered spoilerish
jade crescent
heat is a normal word
quaint hatch
The build and spoiler channels are free in that regard
iron loom
beating it with the aspect of Guan Yu was not easy
crystal bolt
what kinda build did you go for? @iron loom
jade crescent
does it give anything away? nope
quaint hatch
It is a post first run mechanic
calm bone
Guan Yu seems really powerful, but I dont think the spear charges up fast enough to make the lifesteal worth it
jade crescent
not even if you had knowledge pre-game from myths or anything, the word means nothing
iron loom
200% extra damage, but the spear throw is now charged
crystal bolt
that sounds like fun actually. does the hammers alter its throw at all?
quaint hatch
It's the same when you would say ||persephone or demeter||
crystal bolt
or is it the same as regular spear?
quaint hatch
Yet that's still a Spoiler
iron loom
guan yu'
guan yu's throw is already different
from the normal spear throw
and this one alters it into more of the bow's power shot
calm bone
hits about as hard as the sword now too
jade crescent
but those two are characters and part of the story/spoiler
crystal bolt
I was wondering if the hammer-changes like the one that makes it ricochet could be applied to it.
jade crescent
well not demeter because she's a boon
crystal bolt
ahh gotcha
quaint hatch
Whatever I don't wanna have the whole discussion all over again
crystal bolt
I've only done one run with it but didn't get any hammers unfortunately.
quaint hatch
Do what you feel like
brisk trail
||what does dodge means when upgrading the fists?||
jade crescent
it's the same you get from hermes boons, 10% chance that an attack deals no damage
or whatever the % is
brisk trail
oh
tepid holly
hm, i dont understand what dark foresight does
brisk trail
okk
jade crescent
I think that's the one that selects a random weapon to give increased rewards cat
tepid holly
it says "raise your chance for (bubble, room?) rewards, including boons, hammers, coin and poms" but i dont really understand what that means
steep blaze
oh, the gold leaf vs. the blue leaf, though I don't exactly understand the significance yet
coral verge
tepid holly
ive...never noticed the laurels have different colors wow
jade crescent
blue's are permanent loot, between runs while gold is run based
iron loom
wait...there's only 2 hermes boons per run?
coral verge
the hermes legendary?
tepid holly
you can also get it by wearing the lambent plume iirc
tepid holly
but havent had such luck yet
iron loom
I'm still working on getting the last poseidon and demeter
both needing a specific boon first to unlock
coral verge
you also need Stygian Soul, the mirror upgrade that makes you regen bloodstones instead of having 3
steep blaze
What are the actual requirements for ||A Place of Revelry||? It says ||Employ the house contractor to renovate the lounge||.
quaint hatch
I'm sure I usually get 3-4 hermes boons
Oh sry
Is it rated to a character specific quest or just the stuff in the beginning?
Played the game in german at first lol
coral verge
just buy lounge upgrades and keep playing
jade crescent
you need 12+ a carpet
supple haven
I still want the aspect of Guan Yu to unlock. I think I already met all the requirements already
except the person who gives you the phrase keeps going on about their past life
quaint hatch
It's rng dialogue if you already met the reqs
supple haven
boooo
quaint hatch
That's the game for you
remote marsh
i beat the main story quest but i still havent met thanatos
sonic urchin
What was the steam update today for? I don't see any patch notes
quaint hatch
Just small bug fixes
steep blaze
Now that it's not late at night, I'm going to ask again if anyone knows a way to extract audio from the game. There's a very particular line I want to... borrow
quaint hatch
Well for some people it is late night
tawdry flower
Probably shouldn’t discuss that in this forum
Someone mentioned a mod forum though
stuck wave
Hello everyone, can someone explain to me how bounties work? I see people beating bosses and getting for example, titan blood + some gems or darkness. But i keep getting either titan blood (or any other boss reward) by itself or if i play with the same heat level, i get just darkness :/
quaint hatch
The rewards are fixed
left elk
@stuck wave there are upgrades late in the game at the house contractor that give extra rewards during a run. Gems from bosses is one of them.
quaint hatch
||blood for the 1st and 4th, diamond for the 2nd and ambrosia for the 3rd||
stuck wave
Oh that would explain it. For some reason, i thought the bounties give you those extra rewards.
Thanks for explaining that
quaint hatch
You gotta change the ||heat level||, complete prophecies or trade at the broker
And you get those rewards for each of the weapons on a ||heat level||
tawny trellis
stuck wave
Yeah, i understand now. Thanks <3
quaint hatch
No worries
Give em hell
fathom sparrow
Oy lads, does Deathless Stand add a Death Defiance stack or if you lost one does it add it back?
fathom sparrow
nah nah talking bout the Athena boon
fathom sparrow
no worries, the names just merge together
fathom sparrow
Ah, aight brotha, thanks for the quick response
have a solid run, probly won't need it, just double-checking
quaint hatch
I always have the discord open on phone when playing hades
So I can spam xD
Good luck on your run
fathom sparrow
Got a maxed out chir bow with hades doom special and stacking
((Woops
Thanks bro!
fathom sparrow
Yeh, Dem stacks are an absolute joy, ran it on the rail secret aspect
quaint hatch
Slow bosses=easy bosses
brisk pond
Someone fill me in on all the pro strats and stuff lol. Who's the best god, etc
tawdry flower
That sounds like a topic for #h1-builds-and-combat
jade kindle
narrow hemlock
did not recognize the icon change
jade crescent
does the fist give you bonus dashes by default?
coral verge
only 4th fists
quaint hatch
The secret aspect
jade crescent
ah, I was wondering
agile fractal
i simply do not know how to kill the 3rd boss
quaint hatch
Purple symbol above your head tells you when theseus throws his spear
Keep you distance from him
Get in a couple hits after he jumped
Prepare to dash again
Repeat
coral verge
so you can take Ruthless Reflex for a total of 3 dodges with 4th fist and get extra damage with perfect dodge
quaint hatch
Otherwise it's just practice and upgrades
jade crescent
Yeah I run the green dodge perk anyways
quaint hatch
Wtf I couldn't live with less than two dodges
jade crescent
just gotta get used to it I guess
jade crescent
I also can't just spam it and get hit by every single ||hades|| spin, I have to try to time stuff now
sterile light
maybe a little offtopic but yesterday I just realised that the dash-strike on Stygius has the same animation for Zag as Red's Jaunt from Transistor
😄
quaint hatch
Oh no
They're reusing animations
Burn em at stake xD
What do you exactly mean waffle?
jade crescent
whenever I see hades start up the big spin, I use both dashes and get hit for 40 damage after they're up
with a single dash, I actually have to learn timing rather than crutch spamming dodges
quaint hatch
Huh
I usually find it easy to time with the two dashes
brisk trail
I know there is a victory boasting channel
jade crescent
but I'll still pick up hermes bonus dashes- at least I have bonus damage and dodge almost all the time
brisk trail
But is there a channel to scream for our frustrations?
jade crescent
lol
distant lotus
What happened?
brisk trail
I died at like 5% final boss
jade crescent
ooof
distant lotus
Ouch
quaint hatch
Idk I try to use the two dodges to dash while still close to hades
So I can maintain damage
It's just optimal imo
Unless I'm using 4th fists
brisk trail
I was so close lmfao
jade crescent
but if you successfully dodge an attack you get 50% bonus damage which I assume is much more optimal
quaint hatch
I don't like having to rely on50% chance to dodge
jade crescent
honestly I'm only using 4th this once for the prophecy, then I'l go back to demeter or magnet
quaint hatch
If is the key word
2 dodges is more reliable
Single dodge is more fun
4th is fun
jade crescent
nah, that's dodge chance if you hit the i frame
but also 50% bonus damage which is super strong
jade crescent
that's fair, I'm really trying to force myself to learn attacks
quaint hatch
I love mobility I'm games f.e. titanfall
So fast move speed and lotsa dashes are my kind
That's a good idea though
jade crescent
most my weapons are chillin around 10 heat now, it's really starting to get hard so I can't just spam stuff anymore
coarse pasture
I like Hermes' stuff because of the movement
calm bone
I once had like +90% movement speed
quaint hatch
Let's see if I have a different view on heat 10 xD
calm bone
it was nice
coarse pasture
mhm
quaint hatch
Unfortunately you can't really do a hermes build
calm bone
Heroic Hermes speed buff, Zagaras Sword maxed out, and there was some other boon I had, so it was around 90%
coarse pasture
my first win was on a build 4 consecutive dashes and 200 percent damage on shield throws while dashing
quaint hatch
I'd love hermes to have attacks, flourishes and dashes where the damage scales of speed
Would slap with his damage buff ability
But ig he's more of a supporting god
coarse pasture
so that's a semi-hermes build which is kinda nice
although I also had Poseidon's dash ability
jade crescent
bruh aphro dash with 2-3 dashes reminds me of shinbi from paragon 
quaint hatch
Eh
jade crescent
huh, I've got the hammer perk "Drain cutter: whenever your special slays foes, restore 2% health"
well I've got dio special for poison, and if an enemy is poisoned when I basic attack them they still give health 👀
nevermind, it seems like my attack was just leaving them oneshot then the poison would get the kill in the name of the special
robust socket
I had that one with Demeter special, it was very fun
Then I ||used the anvil and lost it and then couldn’t sustain for the boss||
robust socket
Yeah it was my first time getting that far
jade crescent
wait- it still requires you to get a kill, it wouldn't have helped against a boss anyways?
opaque nexus
the enemies
maiden copper
jade crescent
yo I never thought about how much regen drain cutter gives you in styx, I'm getting 7 HP per rat
calm bone
should I continue to romace skelly after already giving him ambrosia?
tame sigil
does anyone know how I can fight ||Charon||
jade crescent
there isn't a romance line with him
noah, rarely behind him you will see a ||money bag but only when you go into a shop room, not pre-boss shops||
calm bone
does anything happen if I keep giving him ambrosia or is just for extra dialogue?
tame sigil
noah, rarely behind him you will see a ||money bag but only when you go into a shop room, not pre-boss shops||
@jade crescent what benefits does it give me after?
jade crescent
you get a ||discount on all charon shops|| for the rest of the run
tame sigil
got u
jade crescent
plus the steam achivement
quaint hatch
I get no achievements
jade crescent
switch nerd 
quaint hatch
calm bone
Just got the aspect of Lucifer, so does that confirm Jesus's existence in this game
jade crescent
I kinda assume 4th aspects are from alternate timelines, although in the 4th fist dialogue with hades he mentions the previous owner is probably in Hades, so maybe it's just from a different point in time
quaint hatch
^ exact
brisk trail
how many runs should it take me to beat game
i am at 11 deaths currently and beat first phase of final boss
steep elm
i won on about #30-35
if you reached final boss on run 12 that's pretty dang good pace, at least in my experience
ebon thistle
Not that long actually
brisk trail
i always use cerberus collar, it seems to be best, no contest
static wadi
iirc 10th win grant you victory
brisk trail
maybe thanatos butterfly thing
ebon thistle
think i've "finished" at 30~ attempts too, it takes less than 10 wins on final boss to get the first ending
brisk trail
if very good
static wadi
@brisk trail patrokl trinket is da best for 4th floor imho
brisk trail
i just wear same thing the whole time
strong furnace
whattt
ebon thistle
I hate thanatos butterfly
brisk trail
double dash seems to be best due to double dash attack
and better dodging
most of purple perks are best from what I can tell so far, I haven't got 20 key unlocks though
brisk trail
I don't know what they are yet
steep elm
i always use skelly for 4th floor, just for the insurance
i usually don't get to use it, but like i said earlier it saved my winstreak a few minutes ago
almost lost my 15 winstreak
slapped dad with 6 health left and no DD (used skelly's tooth too)
curse you, guan yu and your Very Hard aspect
ebon thistle
Is there rewards for winstreak?
steep elm
not that i'm aware of
ebon thistle
Im just getting my ass handed to me at 32 heat for skelly rewards
steep elm
but of my 18 total wins, 15 have been in a streak, and i wanna get that number up
i only use enough heat to get bonuses
nice, steady difficulty curve that has huge spikes when i'm stupid enough to use a hidden aspect
quaint hatch
@brisk trail cerberus collar is the worst
ebon thistle
I think you can turn it to 16 without getting too much of the bad stuff
brisk trail
If you already are full on DDs, it does not replenish.
quaint hatch
The best is usually to focus on a build
Take the keepsakes that force that gods boom to appear
After that use spearpoint, acorn or tooth for the endgame
ebon thistle
I like Megaera earring
quaint hatch
Thanatos butterfly is cool
But you'll have to work around it
In the end it's of course what works best for oneself
ebon thistle
Also starting with broken shackle is the way to go for high heat IMO
brisk trail
@quaint hatch but I like the +50 hp
quaint hatch
You'll get to 100 through the mirror
brisk trail
it makes very tanky and I don't have to pick up 2 centaur hearts
quaint hatch
You could use ur keepsakes on so much better
brisk trail
150hp tho
quaint hatch
It's better to have a reliable build
brisk trail
thanatos or the nyx thing is probably best from what I can tell
ebon thistle
Collar is alright for just getting to ending
brisk trail
backstab damage
quaint hatch
Also spearpoint makes you temporarily invulnerable, acorn prevents boss hits, tooth gives you dd
Even for getting to the ending the tooth is better
I have yet to try out the shafkle
Shackle
ebon thistle
Its +80% at rank 3
brisk trail
is shackle good? it seems to do more than most boons from what i have seen
could clear whole game on it perhaps
quaint hatch
Sry wolf I don't mean to crap on your game style
ebon thistle
Its less, but you don't have a choice in Tartarus and sometimes in Asphodel too
quaint hatch
Boons give too much imo
Especially looking towards enabling duo and legendary booms
ebon thistle
And naturally on high heat where 3\4 of whole run is boon-starving (at least for me)
quaint hatch
It has it's niche I think
True that
Have yet to get there
If you crank the cost up
candid bolt
the acorn helps a lot, 5 hits in the last boss can be up to 200 damage
ebon thistle
Never liked the acorn - maybe its good for hades, but it doesn't do much for the rest of the run
But then again, so is DD usually.
candid bolt
i mean lets you come close to nohitting the first two bosses, and helps against champions
quaint hatch
It's only worth it for redacted yes
ebon thistle
By the way, you guys wanna see the untintentionally coolest thing in this game?
quaint hatch
You shouldn't have problems with the first two bosses
After enough clears
No
Jk show it
Unless it spoilers ofc
candid bolt
im not really sure what all needs to be tagged as spoiler, lol
quaint hatch
Everything post game
Including who the final boss is
ebon thistle
Anyway - because shades are partly see-through, sometimes speaking to Patroclus at certain spot makes him looks like he has tatoo of stuck arrows on his arm
And its surprisingly badass
rapid forum
"I was once a hero like you, then I took an arrow to my arm"
quaint hatch
Multiple
tame sigil
@brisk trail patrokl trinket is da best for 4th floor imho
@static wadi where do i get that?
quaint hatch
Give nectar to the special nps in elysium
static wadi
@quaint hatch Nectar*
tame sigil
i think i gave everyone
worldly cloud
is there any way to check which weapons you have escaped tartarus with
i wanna get more titans blood
tame sigil
i have some locked but dont know for who
ebon thistle
you can see those in the pact
candid bolt
if you have the prophecy thing you can
quaint hatch
@worldly cloud You'll find out with enough successful runs
tame sigil
alright so check prophecy for the missing nectar
candid bolt
oh not for nectar lol
quaint hatch
Prophecy only applies to the first clears with each weapon
quaint hatch
Codex or your keepsakes display
candid bolt
codex should show which npcs havent given you gifts yet
tame sigil
2 boss completions
magic pawn
candid bolt
#hades-faq says october sometime
jade crescent
wow demeter fists are much better than talos
I always feel like I have to take advantage of talos damage buff and play too aggressively against bosses, for demeter there are no timers attached
quaint hatch
Are demeter the magnet ones?
quaint hatch
Need to try that out
jade crescent
make sure to max it out, it's not too special without upgrades
hearty forge
how do i do spoiler tags
still isle
highlight your message
candid bolt
its || on each side
still isle
and theres a button for it
still isle
|| <- this too
jade crescent
yeet
old valve
hadn't played the hidden bow aspect since 1.0, did they nerf it? I feel like its rate of attack can be better measure with a calendar.. didn't remember it being like that :p
quaint hatch
Idk
I heard it got buffed lol
brisk trail
Hi there. I'm new here, and I was just wondering if there was any planned content for the future of Hades. I noticed that after ||beating the game a sufficient amount of times and making it to the top, I continue to see messages about what happens, and then immediately dying afterwards rather than some sort of epilogue continuation as to what occurs after you reach the top after the main story||. I was wondering if things like that are planning to be filled in, etc.
quaint hatch
Devs are on a break rn
brisk trail
Ah, alright!
quaint hatch
Nothing known rn
brisk trail
They deserve the break tbh
static wadi
@brisk trail did u have epilogue achievement?
brisk trail
I just know that I went through the end credits
quaint hatch
Then you haven't done all
static wadi
well you still have much to do
quaint hatch
That's why there's an epilogue
You know
For epilogue continuation
static wadi
gl with that
quaint hatch
Have fun
brisk trail
I love this game very much so
It's been an odd obsession of mine these last few days, where I've been feeling a bit of drought in terms of what to play.
static wadi
why vintage still doesnt work for throves nectar?
cinder flare
Is Cold Embrace as bad as it seems?
viral bane
Yeah lol I got it once and hated it
It's so awkward to use
Felt like a nerf to my cast haha
cinder flare
Might purge it. Took it for the fates
candid bolt
Which one is cold embrace?
cinder flare
Beam cast targets you
candid bolt
Oh that one
viral bane
It's like only good with hera bow I think
candid bolt
Idk, it seemed pretty good
viral bane
cause there's a glitch where it follows them for cold embrace when it hits them
candid bolt
Lets it target the back of enemies with shields
viral bane
But I only used it once for fated list too
quiet gull
Laser Crystals can get quite good if you get a couple boons for it. The duo where they always target you is crazy good
Also, it gets better if you use the perk that regens your cast, that way you can get quite a few crystals going
cloud dagger
Hey, Anyone knows what is the update on Switch ? I just noticed that the version changed from v1.35 to v1.36. I can't find any patch description
quiet gull
Demeter, not coincidentally, also has a boon that boosts damage if you have no casts
It was a small bugfix
static wadi
btw does that boon still works with hera?
quiet gull
You can have multiple duo boons, yes
It works
Though obviously if the crystals are hitting backstabs that means you arent in that case
static wadi
keep it
pallid goblet
hey is it a glitch or intentional but the special on the exagryph bugs out and shoots behind you if you move it out of sight or into a barrier
static wadi
@pallid goblet it just deflected from the wall
brisk trail
is there something about hangover I'm missing? it seems like it does less damage than, say, doom... and does it over a longer period of time.
pallid goblet
ohhhh you cant shoot it from behind walls?
static wadi
nope you cant)
pallid goblet
ok thanks!
static wadi
@brisk trail it can be stacked
it MUST be stacked
u need weapon like Hiron aspect or Chaos aspect
agile fractal
is there something about hangover I'm missing? it seems like it does less damage than, say, doom... and does it over a longer period of time.
@brisk trail I think that MAY be the point? Plus hangover can stack, maybe it’s just a case of preference and upgrade potential
static wadi
or with high attack speed like rail
brisk trail
gotcha. so it makes no sense with sword
brisk trail
of course. the game is very well balanced. tons of options.
static wadi
u can still use it for debuff stat
if u opened it in the mirror
but weak or frost looks better options for me
brisk trail
it makes the hangover call straight up bad tho, no? cause you can't stack the call and it doesn't last very long?
cinder lichen
...what if Zagreus is Darren Korb
static wadi
@brisk trail just try it with max Chiron or Chaos aspect
brisk trail
how does the call help that tho?
static wadi
u need no call
brisk trail
that's what I'm saying. the call seems bad
cinder lichen
What, Dionysus’s call?
agile fractal
Quick question, what’s the best way to get diamonds? Is it just to clear 2nd area with different weapons or?
cinder lichen
Yep
static wadi
@agile fractal prophecies
brisk trail
What, Dionysus’s call?
@cinder lichen yeah. most things in this game have a use. but I'm not seeing the use for that one.
static wadi
there are lots of them for diaminds
urban drum
spear special always does backstab one way or the other when facing an enemy e.g. skelly, correct? and it always says "backstab"?
cinder lichen
Have you also beaten the final boss yet, Mytherna?
agile fractal
nope
I was at what I BELIEVE is the final boss in my last run and lost
I only had like 25 percent health left also it was so sad
static wadi
@brisk trail u can use Dio call for some duo
cinder lichen
Hm, you can always use Dio’s call with a very cqc weapon. This includes:
Shield
Fists
Sword (Kind of)
I think it’s best used against bosses, and, like Ares’ Doom or Blade Rifts, if you focus getting Dio or Hangover boons
static wadi
@cinder lichen if u already have 1 good source of poison i see no reason to have more
cinder lichen
I think the different methods to applying Hangover deals varying damage
(I.e. Hangover applied from Attack deals less Hangover damage than Hangover applied from Special)
I don’t think there’s any boons that extend the length of Hangover anyway, right? If the duration on one or the entire stack runs out, you can apply a stronger Hangover afterwards.
That’s the only way I can rationalize it, at least. Helps against bosses that eliminate debuffs coughRedactedcough
cinder lichen
Or Rail
cinder lichen
Or, any melee really I think.
cinder lichen
I mean yeah, multiple sources of poison is unintuitive, I agree. I still think you can make some use with it. You just need to have your enemy clean of Hangover before applying the more damaging hangover, as opposed to your weaker Hangover.
static wadi
your lvl 1-2 call will make ur poison dmg lower
cinder lichen
Again, just like how the different gods’ boons deal varying damage based on what the boon is applied to, its the same with Hangover, too.
(I.e. Aphro Attack gives you +50% damage, Aphro Special gives you +100% damage)
river fossil
hi is hades labelled hades tech beta in epic game store?
oh wait ive been playing on the beta this whole time
im dumb nvm
granite ether
the 'Hades tech beta' was specifically before the blood price update where there was big changes to be backend @river fossil
granite ether
they should do (not 100% certain though)
atomic granite
Hi does anyone know of pact of punishment 'damage control' (the blue heart on enemies) cancels out 'firey presence' (attack on undamaged foes) mirror buff?
river fossil
i downloaded the Hades Tech Beta version because the regular Hades wasn't showing up on my epic games library
and I thought that was the latest version
flat vapor
Hi does anyone know of pact of punishment 'damage control' (the blue heart on enemies) cancels out 'firey presence' (attack on undamaged foes) mirror buff?
no, fiery presence will still work after you take off the DC hearts
river fossil
lmao
smoky wharf
Hey just saying @atomic granite and @river fossil final boss and things after final boss are considered spoilers in this channel sooooo...
river fossil
oh sorry
granite ether
spoiler tags or refer to them by final boss or redacted
atomic granite
oh sorry
river fossil
woops
atomic granite
what channel do i ask that in story and spoilers?
i figured pact of punishment wasnt a spoiler bec it's not story related
granite ether
you already got an answer, but in future #h1-builds-and-combat
cinder lichen
Its funny to call it Redacted ‘cause that’s how the official records refer to it as
atomic granite
thanks tho @river fossil
smoky wharf
i mean all things considered people talk about spoilers in this channel as well its just if you do please use ||spoiler tags|| to avoid spoiling the game for people.
river fossil
wait i didnt help you lol
yeah sorry about that i didnt read the header
wont happen again
🙂
smoky wharf
all good
atomic granite
how do i spoiler tag part of my text
static wadi
@cinder lichen and i keep asking why it was translated in russian like Absolutely Secret
river fossil
|| test ||
static wadi
@atomic granite https://i.imgur.com/AnOmmIg.png
river fossil
@atomic granite or you can type || and then another one at the end
atomic granite
👍🏻
atomic granite
@brisk trail me too i am addicted 😛
static wadi
when i was young
it was the same about NWN
now it's all not like that
but it's still great game i must say i glad it released finallly
static wadi
well morrowind seems better for me
but we better stop
untill moderator bites us for offtopic
brisk trail
exactly
granite ether
Spoiler tags for redacted fight please @static wadi
static wadi
where are spoilers?
granite ether
Asking about things within the fight
static wadi
well i didnt even say it was last fight but whatever
granite ether
Anything redacted fight onwards is spoilers, even if you don't explicitly state it
So please cut the sass
You can always ask the question in #h1-builds-and-combat where spoilers are allowed
sleek radish
i saw a text post going around saying that the hades creators arent really cool with ppl making fan merch of their games (like pins or charms) does anyone have any source to this? just curious
granite ether
Best off sending an email to 'info@supergiantgames.com' or contacting them through their contact us page for that topic
@sleek radish
Just so you can get a response directly from Supergiant ^_^
sleek radish
o ok thank you!
near comet
is there another channel to report bugs?
gaunt totem
man I was just kicking butt at the elysium boss and then my game crashes
feels bad man
granite ether
If you're playing the switch version #h1-tech-support (be sure to specify you're playing the switch version
F10 if playing on pc @near comet
teal badger
I was playing the switch version too, my game crashed whenever the update was pushed out
frozen vault
does anyone have any good quality pc backgrounds of art or scenery from the game 🥺
static wadi
?
brisk trail
Does anyone know what audio equipment Darren uses?
Like, in terms of DAW, audio interfaces, instrument brands, things like that?
tawdry flower
Oof. Beat final boss with 8 health left.
calm bone
not bad, closest I ever got was 11 hp
I even started with 4 death defiances when I got to the final lulz
brisk trail
@flat vapor Thanks, champ
I appreciate that a lot
I'm in the midst of trying to purchase a DAW for myself since I ran into some problems as of late using the one that I do use. So, I wanted an alternative. Sadly, no mac here, so I can't use Logic Pro
but it's good to see what others are doing!
raw mango
Finally got aspect of poseidon stygian online with true strike and exit wounds. It’s nice
ember flame
I really thought 40 was going to be my lucky number, but alas...
ember flame
Yep
ember flame
I felt so good about the build.
raw mango
I’ve seen exit wounds when it wouldn’t do much for me. First time getting it while running poseidon aspect
static wadi
saw it only once till all my runs
brisk trail
do boosts to attack also boost dash attack damage?
static wadi
y
stiff wasp
has anyone uh.... asked about alternate cosmetics
because I think playing dressup would be great
static wadi
wdym
stiff wasp
all the characters are flashy af
make it more flashy
let us change zag's clothes from piles on the floor
manic bobcat
Unfortunately that's unlikely to happen
There was a response from the devs on a Steam thread
granite ether
it's been said that alternate costumes won't be a thing
manic bobcat
Reasoning is that Zag animation was hand drawn so adding comestics would be too large of a burden.
granite ether
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1145360/discussions/0/1864993755183591660/#c1864993755185620425 - this is the thread that mentions why alternate costumes won't be a thing @stiff wasp
manic bobcat
Or something along that line
cosmic warren
idk, I appreciate that Zag has some things already set. He's his own dude, not our rpg style OC, you know?
stiff wasp
he has a ton of clothes on the floor of his room
cosmic warren
and since we're already choosing his dialogue, his romance, his weapons, let the man have his outfit to himself
stiff wasp
and they are not all the same shirt, lol
buoyant halo
why is it impossible to find images of shades on google I need a new profile pic
cosmic warren
those are there as a big brain way to piss hades off
stiff wasp
people like different things in their video games
cosmic warren
if zag ever cleaned his room hades would get a power boost
stiff wasp
its okay that i'd like cosmetics, its okay that you dont
cosmic warren
yea it's all about opinion, just imo it's a bit too rpg already
stiff wasp
🙂
cosmic warren
that's why I LOVE the home deco cosmetics
dense quest
cansome gods not take ambrosia?
and give companion
i have given max nectar to artemis is does she give a companion if i give her ambrosia?
static wadi
@dense quest no only 6 characters gives you comps
dense quest
damn i wasted all that nectar on her
static wadi
sad
runic quail
But the L O R E
daring niche
why is arthur aspact so strong
lean plaza
Do rooms with difficulty increases (mini boss) give higher tier boons?
floral shore
Yep.
lean plaza
ty
calm bone
Game could use a wizard staff or a hammer
static wadi
sword gameplay pretty close to hammer
static wadi
u just swing it right and left
verbal violet
Just got Hades today, seems fun. I assume the main narrator is the same guy who did so well on Bastion?
granite ether
yeah narrator is Logan Cunningham
verbal violet
Really good job again. Bastion was already a good game but I feel like his work elevated it from a really good game to a really great game.
granite ether
mmhm, he did a real good job 
verbal violet
Got that game back in the day I think on TotalBiscuits recommendation. RIP.
granite ether
may his soul rest in peace
young shore
"Listen... all this takes some getting used to..." Yeah, that voice was definitely part of the Bastion experience
verbal violet
So btw silly question: Can you not dodge trough attacks and enemies? Or have I just been bad?
unkempt sleet
verbal violet
Hm. I feel like I tried to dodge into some overhead bashes, dark souls style and still got hit.
static wadi
add athena to your dash)