like that || spoiler ||
#h1-discussion
subtle cobalt
Endgame spoilers: ||so i beat hades 10 times and i got the credits, is there an additional or a secret ending?||
subtle cobalt
Do i get a reward for getting all keepsakes?
grand venture
achievment
distant totem
bruh rail aspect ||hestia|| is so easy lol, wtf
my first bow run was a disaster but my first rail run ended with no deaths and enough leftover money to buy out the ||styx|| shop
haven't done shield yet but it's hard to imagine it being easier than ||hestia|| rail
formal leaf
sturdy pier
There’s definitely much more to do after you “finish” the game
cinder lichen
Just hold down the Attack button for the Shield and aim it at an enemy while attacking.
unkempt sleet
I think that's too obvious
cinder lichen
I'm assuming Redacted is gonna be ||'d indefinitely.
distant totem
@grand venture huh?
grand venture
It's a tongue and cheeck way of saying it really.
distant totem
oh I think you tagged the wrong person
unkempt sleet
But redacted is something that only people who have reached the final boss will get
assuming they die to him which is pretty certain
cinder lichen
Right click/hold down on your own messages to edit them
"My disappointment is immeasurable, and my run is ruined."
unkempt sleet
Explosive shot is good but it makes the bow a melee weapon most of the time
frigid vector
those bowmen from elysium wrecked me with my slow ass attack
cinder lichen
Hey now don't try to swear here. Apparently the bot doesn't count that as one...
cinder lichen
No but, tip for the bow, it actually does have a Dash attack; When you dash, and press the Attack button in the middle of it, you start charging your attack a bit faster when you begin to draw.
frigid vector
i never tried dash attack with bow since i got used to insta dash attack animations
unkempt sleet
well not quite free, the slow can affect your playstyle
cinder lichen
It isn't noticeable that it has one, at first, but it helps!
Just try it on Skelly! At least I'm sure it isn't exclusive to that one Aspect...
brisk trail
so the game is out of early access?
cinder lichen
Mhm
still sand
yes
cinder lichen
pft-
fallen violet
You hit e to catch and get pulled into the water
brisk trail
This sounds awesome! I have been with Hades since early access 2 years ago!
cinder lichen
Heehee~ I haven't actually gotten the game until like a year ago. I saw it's trailer 2 years ago, via Youtube ads!
still sand
I remember hearing this game come to early access and was only on the EGS. Thought that was gonna be the end for my love of Supergiant games
Glad I was VERY wrong
meager barn
lol gottem
brisk trail
I was playing bastion today
You know the blueberry dudes
They look like the same sprit as some of the shades
meager notch
What gave you that idea 
brisk trail
meager barn
im stupid tho
meager notch
A commander cannot be stupid
granite ether
no you're Zeph
brisk trail
Stupid gang?
meager barn
rise up
cinder lichen
As a tactician, even great strategists have lapses in judgement.
cinder lichen
ohp
fallen violet
kinda spoilers
cinder lichen
Yeah I was wondering about that
meager barn
ive never had a laps of judge before
fallen violet
That statement made me have a stroke
meager barn
:)
fallen violet
brisk trail
damn i love hades but holy hell is it hard
fallen violet
What heat?
meager barn
mood
meager barn
thanks
fallen violet
Not you
meager barn
i appreciate it
brisk trail
Max heat tho
cinder lichen
h
brisk trail
meager barn
zagreus is max heat
cinder lichen
I feel like 15 is the part where it starts looking like "High heat" territory
fallen violet
Artemis Makes me go to max heat if you know what I'm sayin
meager barn
perish
fallen violet
Kek
brisk trail
fallen violet
I have 60 runs
brisk trail
No bad
fallen violet
45 clears
brisk trail
fallen violet
Also imagine paying for discord
meager barn
sorry in advance mods
brisk trail
I got this gifted
fallen violet
My point stands
brisk trail
For dming a dnd party
meager barn
having friends? cringe
brisk trail
Shhhh
meager barn
real gamers lay alone in their messy room and cry
brisk trail
Someday
cinder lichen
Pft, nono actually hold on,
fallen violet
Everyone has spells
brisk trail
cinder lichen
What if someone made a parody campaign where the players basically played as orchestrators of a dungeon (basically, Hades)
meager barn
dont have those
fallen violet
When can we make custom rooms
meager barn
cant relate
cinder lichen
While the DM made and establishes the rules, the DM also plays as a single someone attempting to make it through the dungeon (Zagreus)
fallen violet
So the players are monsters?
cinder lichen
Players control the enemies, rooms, items and that kinda stuff.
wind wedge
I am pretty sure there's an RPG with this basis already. I'm trying to remember what it's called.
meager barn
pretty sure its call sawcon
cinder lichen
no
wind wedge
I mean, there's "Monsters! Monsters!" but that's super old.
cinder lichen
It's a concept kind of similar to Evolve, or...that one game I forgot it's name of.
wind wedge
There's also "Reverse Dungeon", which was a DnD 2e supplement that, well, "reversed" the position of the players.
wind wedge
I mean, my point is more that this is a concept which there's prior art for, so if you wanted to work on it, it would be good to see what people already did with it 😉
Progress happens by~~ stealing from~~ being inspired by previous work 🙂
although, I'd argue that D&D isn't the right RPG ruleset to get the spirit of Hades anyway
hushed frost
Is there going to be more updates for the game? :o
I was just thinking.
Is 1.0 the end or will there be more?
fallen violet
no def more
granite ether
from #hades-faq
Now that Early Access is over, what's next?
Once we're sure our v1.0 launch has settled, our small team will be taking a break to recharge, and plan what's next. We'll be excited to say more about what's in store for us just as soon as we're ready.
coral verge
SGG games don't usually get major DLC after launch, they're complete games
cinder lichen
There's plans to...make plans, basically, heh.
granite ether
there's plans to have a well deserved break
meager barn
pog
fallen violet
There's plans to 
worthy egret
meager barn
i have no idea what youre talking about
for every sgg member
meager barn
;^)
sharp kestrel
brisk trail
That moment when durning the hydras death animation it kills you
cinder lichen
Asphodel suuuuuuuuucks'
wary willow
anybody experiencing witches clipping through walls?
brisk trail
I’ll be back after I go smash the ||wonder twins heads in hope thesus gets ares||
cinder lichen
Uhh, in Tech Fixes, in case if you lose your progress when relaunching, you should see a tutorial on how to recover your recent run
mighty coyote
not witches but the crystal laser thingies in the styx clipped through walls on one of my runs
wary willow
yah alot of things are clipping and i cant hit them
cinder lichen
Did you bash it into a wall, or did it just happen?
Like, the enemy intentionally walked into it?
Try ANY of your attacks to try and hit them. Specials, Casts, Dash effects...
mighty coyote
i bashed, it through the wall, had to use unupgraded cast 
wary willow
a witch spawned outside the wall of tartarus
granite ether
huh, F10 that if you're on pc
wary willow
ill do that if this ever happen again
granite ether
@inner arrow regarding your post in #hades-feedback Greg answered a question about challenging achievements in their most recent Q+A here
https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/477164376496013323/746421343612043365
inner arrow
hmm, interesting. Hadn't read that. Thanks for showing me!
granite ether
no worries ^_^
frigid vector
man i can only beat hades with ranged weapons
viral bane
Is there a tier list of pact of punishment difficulty?
Or a recommended order for what to put on
When going for the bounties
inner arrow
I personally always start with Extreme measures tbh
No idea if there's a tier list out there, never saw one tho
maiden mulch
a tier list could only really cover specific pacts alone, they tend to combine into more than the sum of their parts
coral verge
cinder lichen
oo
frigid vector
he becomes magma instantly
maiden mulch
like Jury Summons on its own? not too bad. Jury Summons combined with anything else that buffs enemies? different story entirely
cinder lichen
Uhhhh the video game right?
||Spoiler that stuff or call him Redacted||, Madicano.
frigid vector
idk how to turn it into spoiler
quaint hatch
Finally got my first perfect catch after like 50 runs
Thought I'd never get it
I'm sluggish af
cinder lichen
You know the back slash keys? ( \ ) Hold shift to get ( | )
Use | the same way you embolden text to spoiler it.
(Emboldening requires 2 *'s on each side on Discord. Use 2 |'s on each side!)
quaint hatch
I think the heat guide isn't up to the current patch
Although I'm not quite sure what changed since I got the game on switch so yeah xD
maiden mulch
i guess you could also do a tier list in a specifically high heat context, but that would be useless for low/mid heat
frigid vector
@cinder lichen thanks. i dont use discord that much to know that
cinder lichen
^-^
frigid vector
||bass|| fish is one ambrosia woa
quaint hatch
||Imagine what perfect catch surface fish gives ya||
granite ether
@quaint hatch spoiler tags please
quaint hatch
Sry forgit
granite ether
same for you @frigid vector
frigid vector
hm i wish they added boons in the codex
quaint hatch
Thanks for the notice
frigid vector
aight
cinder lichen
quaint hatch
Yo m8
cinder lichen
Keep playing Madi.
granite ether
it's all good, easy to forget sometimes
quaint hatch
Yup
That's why it's good to have someone sitting on your shoulder reminding you xD
quaint hatch
Yeah but just in general so all people are accounted for
cinder lichen
The Work Order guys are p cool, tbh
frigid vector
i always check the boons at the gamepedia bruh
granite ether
it's moreso this is meant to be a spoiler free(ish) channel
we have #h1-story-discussion for spoiler talk (v1.0 end game stuff still should be spoiler tagged though)
cinder lichen
And the Builds and Combat channel for gameplay talk
(Refrain from talking about story spoilers there though, or ||Spoiler|| them)
quaint hatch
Ik
granite ether
the wiki is unfortunately in many cases wrong Madicano
cinder lichen
Technically it's correct, in past tense.
pseudo linden
Does giving up break your streak?
fallen violet
not sure on that one
cinder lichen
Good question
granite ether
even in past tense the wiki was wrong in cases 
cinder lichen
oof
tough heart
Surely it must, or it would be easy to cheat when a run goes wrong
cinder lichen
...Y'know, Hades is about experimentation. You could experiment that for us. 
remote lily
Does giving up break your streak?
@pseudo linden no, giving up restore your save to the state before you started run.
pseudo linden
thanks
maiden mulch
though it absolutely does go against the spirit of win streaks
subtle cobalt
Have the developers said anything about dlc plans?
maiden mulch
the win streak police aren't going to bash down your door or anything, but the fun of going for win streaks is consistently making use of what you get
dense quest
..
fallen violet
What?
dense quest
are you expert roguelite player
fallen violet
I'd say I'm pretty good at Gungeon and Isaac
dense quest
im at 15 too and only managed to get to 2nd area's boss once
fallen violet
Also 5BC on deadcells
dense quest
yeah thats why
fallen violet
The game is hard for sure, it just takes getting used to
dense quest
i didnt even beat dead cells
fallen violet
Deadcells is just time put in mostly
I get closer everytime to killing ||The collector||
I'd have beaten it if I played it more
Its my least played rogue
Just keep practicing
And you'll win a run at some point
Dashing is pretty important
fallen violet
Dead cells is a hard game
I only have 150 hours in it
Not enough to win consistently
Hades is more about adapting than anything
Find out how enemy patterns work and you win
basically it
opaque nexus
That’s how gungeon works
opaque nexus
I realized I have yet to play exit the gungeon
brisk trail
over 100 fish caught and not one of them a legendary. I just do not possess the reaction time.
opaque nexus
Old king
fallen violet
Nah
maiden mulch
dodge rolling kind of breaks the whole point of bullet hell patterns, micrododging isn't really a thing
opaque nexus
If you get master rounds consistently it’s fine
narrow iron
Gungeon I found rough..
narrow iron
Fair
granite ether
#video-games for gungeon talk please ^_^
fallen violet
Ok back to hades
The part about hades is this
The game normally is dead easy
But with Pact
narrow iron
Anyone else think the best weapon is the Spear?
jade crescent
does the bonus damage from traps pact increase satyr/rat poisoning?
opaque nexus
It’s as hard as you make it
opaque nexus
Exactly that’s a good thing
merry moat
Anyone else think the best weapon is the Spear?
@narrow iron
yeah
narrow iron
I'm obsessed with the spear... Yet to get the heat pact thingy. Haven't even met Thanatos yet.
wind wedge
I mean, "hard" is a relative concept. The base game is plenty hard for a lot of people who don't have tons of hours in related games.
quaint hatch
Team shield
fallen violet
Shield is good because blocking
merry moat
with Zeus boon Spear is a killing machine
opaque nexus
Chaos shield got kinda nerfed
fallen violet
Its overpowered
quaint hatch
Stil pog tho
jade crescent
secret aspect shield
narrow iron
I mean, the shield is great, but I find it really drags out the combat..
I like the shield.
quaint hatch
Also all shield aspects are hecking fun
jade crescent
not only the best defensive weapon type, you also get a toooon of damage with that aspect
merry moat
shield is the second best for me
opaque nexus
Also all shield aspects are hecking fun
I disagree
maiden mulch
isn't Chaos still a top tier aspect even post-nerf?
merry moat
Spear is quicker to kill
terse geyser
@north pier https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/751112073924313208/755565546220683284/Gued_Controls.png
narrow iron
Just think the moveset isn't the best.. I really like the shield shot ability (from Daedelus hammer)
jade crescent
my first two victories (around last christmas so not current update) were with spear, but I find sword and shield a ton easier
maiden mulch
it just went from unbelievably broken to moderately broken
merry moat
worst weapon for me is the sword
languid mesa
Will Hades have a dlc content?
fallen violet
Yes
narrow iron
I think the sword mod that gives you life-steal is OP as hell
fallen violet
They are just taking break
merry moat
not yet
fallen violet
DLC 100%
quaint hatch
@opaque nexus well that's like your opinion
Man
fallen violet
eventually
wind wedge
Maybe
opaque nexus
I think the sword mod that gives you life-steal is OP as hell
No
opaque nexus
I could say that to anyone here
narrow iron
But... The fight with Thseus and Minotaur... That is as far as I got.
fallen violet
Sorry to say
languid mesa
Oh okay thank you. Im still rearing to spend more money on this game lol. Im enjoying it so much
merry moat
They don't have anything set, and thats cool
opaque nexus
Nemesis is amazing
quaint hatch
That literally the point xD
merry moat
Cause they put everything they wanted in the base game
fallen violet
Theseus and Asterius are Gatekeepers of Getting good
narrow iron
I mean.. cursed slash is dope if you have the right set-up
narrow iron
Legit :')
quaint hatch
I'm find it surprising how mobile you can be with ||Arthur||
In a relative sense
merry moat
DLC should always be additional content, not content that is left out
narrow iron
Asterius went down fast, but Theseus was so nasty.
fallen violet
How?
quaint hatch
Yeah also you can dash for minors during bigger slashes
opaque nexus
Only problem is forced overtime
maiden mulch
if what they want to do after the break is return to Hades, they'll do that, if they would rather move on to the next game, they'll do that, currently no plans either way
fallen violet
Asterius is the hardest part of the fight
jade crescent
cursed slash is crazy strong, you just gotta get an athena attack/dash
merry moat
It depends on the boon he gets
opaque nexus
Thesis is just annoying
fallen violet
Thesis?
merry moat
I hate when Theseus get Zeus
fallen violet
KEKW
opaque nexus
Yes
narrow iron
The blocking... Was a pain. He got Zeus boost... And it was the woest
maiden mulch
well you shouldn't let Theseus get down to 50% health while Asterius is alive regardless of what boon he has
quaint hatch
Even with good boon, you can focus on dodging that
fallen violet
with the boon
narrow iron
Like... Just... Thunder. Everywhere
opaque nexus
Asterius is very aggressive
fallen violet
It does like 8 damage
quaint hatch
^
narrow iron
I dunno. I got iced by him. Cause I focused Asterius first..
maiden mulch
i kind of wish the boon had more of a presence throughout the fight, like the hydra variants
opaque nexus
Yes by far
narrow iron
And took a fair bit of damage.
maiden mulch
but at the same time it's already enough of a brick wall for new players
jade crescent
eh asterius is so easy to take out and doge, theseus has his shield up most the time, AND when you're trying to deal with asterius, he's got that aimbot spear thing
narrow iron
But now I kind o' just... Keep dropping off early in Elysium.. cause I get impatient.
It's a huge problem
opaque nexus
I’ve kind of learned to deal with elysium
jade crescent
I prefer EM3 because it means theseus doesn't have that homing spear, and you can do 2/3 of his HP without having to work around the shield
narrow iron
Ooeeh
quaint hatch
Asterius dash is jank
quaint hatch
For some reason he doesn't crash into a pillar you lead him into a lot of times
opaque nexus
This is going to sound really dumb, but the best way to beat elysium is just don’t take unnecessary damage
Because it adds up
quaint hatch
Same with ||hades|| laser when he's close to a pillar
opaque nexus
Don’t be aggressive when you don’t have to
quaint hatch
I'll tell you a secret
The best way to win the game is not take damage
opaque nexus
Listen that’s not what I mean
quaint hatch
I know cin
fallen violet
Just dont die
merry moat
I love how both Hades and Fate agree about Asterios being a hero
fallen violet
Simple really
quaint hatch
I'm just clowning
opaque nexus
Don’t die 3 times
fallen violet
Or once
opaque nexus
4*
fallen violet
High heat
fallen violet
Speaking of winning the game
Ima type some spoilers
||EM4 was really hard, and fun, cerberus came in and I was like ????? but I had a huge smile on my face||
sage marten
huh
if you dash out of the pool o blood you leave a trail of it
fallen violet
||Then the third phase came in when I had 0 defiances and 20 hp and I was like "Welp" and died||
sage marten
is that new or did i just miss that?
viral bane
||does charon usually stomp if you fight him in tartarus or am I just bad||
fallen violet
@viral bane ||He ate 2 of my defiances the first time I fought him||
First tried it tho
quaint hatch
I mean he's packing some damage
And if your build is not that developed it won't be easier
narrow karma
I met him the first time with one hammer, got totally whomped
narrow karma
being on a 14 heat run didn't help 
viral bane
Especially if I'm chaos boon debuffed
I guess he's the same strength so it's harder earlier right
Do you guys always go for it even when you get it right at the start?
narrow karma
well I managed to bring him into the second phase, so must have done something right
I haven't seen it since that time
quaint hatch
I'd rather keep my run xD
narrow karma
so I was just like "owo what's this thing?"
old valve
If I'm deep in a streak, I won't try to fight him with a build that will struggle at it
narrow karma
OOPS YOU DIED
terse geyser
good
old valve
otherwise his rewards are really nice to get early, so it makes sense that the difficulty doesn't scale, it's always hard :p
coarse sierra
Hi guys any tips for ||aspect of lucifer||? I find out that it is the hardest aspect for me to get good performance
narrow karma
Doom special has worked wonders for me
old valve
@coarse sierra for me too. I force runs centered on either cast or special for it now
vital wind
Got to redacted of the final boss last night, think I'm gonna get my first win today
void vigil
@vital wind ||phase 2|| is a spoiler, please spoiler tag your message accordingly!
merry moat
Do you guys agree that sword is the worst weapon? lol
coarse sierra
Definetly not. Sword with hidden aspect is fantastic
coarse sierra
I love to play sword with crit aspect and artemis traits
it's very fun and found that it has a lot of dps
quaint hatch
Wtf
Poseidon sword is awesome for cast
Nemesis has huge damage potential
4th aspect hits like a truck
I don't see sword being the worst
terse geyser
this is getting out of hand, now there are two of them
@manic bobcat there are five of us
kind moss
brisk trail
opaque nexus
Your favorite boons for sword?
@merry moat for nemesis, Artemis attack, aphro special, Artemis dash
Nova dash strike dash strike, repeat
Hits very very hard
merry moat
I'll trying next time, thanks
opaque nexus
It’s great
sharp kestrel
|| ofc there is a 2nd phase while fighting father ||
languid mesa
Is it weird to be literally simping over the goddes Aphrodite herself?
sharp kestrel
I was so close
terse geyser
@languid mesa no, most people are
languid mesa
Whew thats good to know
terse geyser
@sharp kestrel it's a fun fight. you'll probably win pretty soon
bronze saffron
guys, the keys that are left with me I use only in merchant for nectar? used all in mirror and weapons
gusty slate
pretty much
Keys collected in a run can still have effects if you have the upgrade
but as a resource, yeah not much except broker xD. Oh and the cosmetic key sink
coral verge
you want to save at least 15 keys for a certain limited time exchange
tepid kelp
any news about fixing the corrupted savefile ?
bronze saffron
you want to save at least 15 keys for a certain limited time exchange
@coral verge oh interesting
its cheat to search what god reveals the hiddens aspects of each weapon?
I need the fist and shield but dont like to play too much with these
coral verge
uh, what
just unlock 4th spear then spend 5 blood in the weapon
it'll pop up sooner or later if you play normally
coral verge
just play the game normally if you don't want to be spoiled, it'll occur naturally
it's not a huge spoiler anyway
narrow karma
if you know the names of them you can kinda guess who unlocks them for you
gusty slate
Although if you want to know who .... ||I believe Chaos is shield, Asterius miniboss is Fist, may need to have the weapon equipped- which is a req for Asterius||
coral verge
you don't need any of the weapons ||equipped, it's just extra dialogue||
dusty spade
I think for the fist ||you still need to equipped ||
coral verge
yeah, I thought the same but someone else said you don't need to
quaint hatch
||you need to interact with asterius with the fists at least once to trigger dialogue regarding them. Afterwards you don't. He will tell you the phrase regardless of the weapon. You need to have invested 5 blood into non zagreus fist aspects and have unlocked GY of course.||
narrow hemlock
fist, shield and rail all require the character who gives the phrase has commented on you using the weapon previously. getting the actual waking phrase from them doesn't require having the weapon equipped at that time
rigid zephyr
hi i got a question i cant seem to figure out how to unlock the twin fists ... Do i have to beat Hades and complete a run or how does it work ?
coral verge
did you unlock the other weapons?
gusty slate
GOtta invest keys into all weapons
rigid zephyr
yes i did
gusty slate
before another can show up
rigid zephyr
i unlocked all others shield bow spear
gusty slate
You spent keys on them all? Hm
rigid zephyr
but 2 spots are left empty
terse geyser
do a run
gusty slate
Might need the run to refresh the room
rigid zephyr
i did several runs already forfeited a run too
gusty slate
After using keys on every weapon? Weird. On my new save once I spent keys on bow, shield, spear- the fist popped up after a run
gusty slate
I doubt it, you also can't "give up" a run need to actually clear or die
coral verge
you don't need a new save, just keep running
rigid zephyr
im totally lost then cuz i die an awful lot in this game
oh so its a random trigger ?
narrow karma
the game really just boils down to "do more runs"
gusty slate
Really weird, I don't recall there being another pre-req
terse geyser
I mean, it should unlock pretty much instantly
rigid zephyr
i played 4 hours until now
terse geyser
this sounds like an 
to me
rigid zephyr
whats an f10 ?
gusty slate
Oh on PC f10 is how you report bugs. On switch you'll need to go to #h1-tech-support
narrow karma
have you used all of the weapons at least?
charred turtle
I already asked yesterday, but a bit vague. You are supposed to die a couple times right? every time I come back there is new dialogue and more, so it´s ok if I die let´s say 12 times already?
granite cove
shield is amazing, but everyone has is favorites. Dont forget the shield blocks everything in front while charging
void vigil
dying is part of the game, and its totally normal to die a lot even
gusty slate
Yeah we're roguelite, death is part of the process
narrow karma
the entire game is centered on dying, you don't get much if you just win right away
teal badger
Best $27 I spent on switch
brisk trail
snow shore
How much is the game? What was it priced in EA?
brisk trail
25 bucks I believe
snow shore
I don't remember spending more than 20 on it
brisk trail
US dollars
snow shore
Oh they might be referring to CAD or something then
charred turtle
thanks Alma! I tought it was getting a bit out of hand, but I guess that with some more runs I will get better and better
brisk trail
Oh they might be referring to CAD or something then
Probably
charred turtle
and is lovely
teal badger
$27 because of tax come on people got to pay the government somehow
charred turtle
that´s all I have to say
terse geyser
Hades is not only hard, it's designed to have you die
if you win on your first try it screws up the dialogue. A lot.
brisk trail
Yup
narrow karma
Is there unique dialogue for first run victories?
brisk trail
Which is why I ruined my switch play though
terse geyser
no
brisk trail
Got a first run win
gusty slate
Zag gets out first time. Game: He did what now? does not compute
terse geyser
you don't get anything special for winning on the first try, it's just a fun challenge
snow shore
I thought that the game was on sale on switch for a bit
gusty slate
Release had 20% off
snow shore
My game broke because I got into Elysium slightly early I think
gusty slate
But normal price is what others have said, been that price since Night Night at least
snow shore
It was still talking about "damn dude Asphodel kinda sucks doesn't it"
brisk trail
Lmao
gusty slate
I mean he still has right to complain lol
terse geyser
skelly gets hit hardest
you see his introduction dialogue really late, because he spends all his time talking about... other stuff
snow shore
Also game was hard until I beat it for the first time
terse geyser
if you win on the first try
merry moat
Sometimes characters talk like i never passed through asphodel too
drifting summit
Oh wow
drifting summit
So basically the dialogue you're supposed to get earlier gets pushed further back huh
terse geyser
yeah
brisk trail
Fists
So basically the dialogue you're supposed to get earlier gets pushed further back huh
Yes it’s stupid
snow shore
most of my runs have been spam dash and special
charred turtle
stay funky everyone. Have a good day
fallen violet
most of my runs have been spam dash and special
@snow shore
Fist gameplay in a nutshell
snow shore
I'm playing shield lol
fallen violet
Chaos?
narrow karma
bouncy shield can apply a lot of poison
snow shore
Yeah I had a Doom run with it last night
drifting summit
Haha I can understand why it works that way, but yeah totally didn't account for beating it on the first run then.
snow shore
Level 3 with the 3 shields
I think I beat the final boss without losing more than one death defy
fallen violet
Skelly just did a meme format
"I'm too young to die"
Respawns
"Anyways"
Unintentional meta humor?
narrow karma
pretty sure that's intentional lol
fallen violet
Good game design
rigid zephyr
hi guys its me again i just did 2 more runs and as from magic the gauntlets appeared
terse geyser
Pog
snow shore
More likely a controller issue
lean hare
where is hypnos? i guess i havent met him yet?
narrow karma
Have you died before?
snow shore
he's literally the first guy you meet probably
terse geyser
he's the floofy boi by the pool
cobalt maple
the curly hair boy that greets you when you die
lean hare
how have i played over 30 runs since early access and never met him?
cobalt maple
I've no clue
lean hare
i dont see anyone by the pool and in cthonic colleagues its the only god it says i havent met...
cobalt maple
he's like halfway between the pool and Hades
just before the turn to hall with Achilles
lean hare
something strange is happening here hes not in my game...
terse geyser
lean hare
yeah
snow shore
Or he's just not there for this run
lean hare
maybe i dont know how ive never met him lol
snow shore
Sometimes he's just not there
No clue how you would just miss him for 30 runs though so I dunno
Probably bug
mortal wadi
question
narrow karma
answer?
mortal wadi
i uh dont know if i should mark this as a spoiler
narrow karma
do it anyway to be safe if you aren't sure
mortal wadi
is it me or is the ||shield|| much stronger than the other weapons? Although I am missing the last 2
coral verge
no
narrow karma
it varies a lot based on playstyle, some people hate it
flat vapor
shield is widely regarded as standing above the others, though i wouldn't say "much stronger"
merry moat
Shield is the strongest weapon to me
mortal wadi
same
flat vapor
a lot of people like it more, is all
mortal wadi
well maybe not damage, but just utility
narrow karma
There's a reason the Goddess of Wisdom has the shield as her symbol
terse geyser
shield lets you play like a coward, but it doesn't make you play like a coward
narrow karma
it's the smart way to play
merry moat
Don't feel sad about playing full defensive
lofty lodge
I just came to let everyone know that I love Hades. Thanks Supergiant, if you even see this message. 😁
brave thicket
so i just got to 13% on Than keepsake in tartarus, and then i accidentally changed to artie;s keepsake on the second floor
sad
manic bobcat
you can hide behind your shield
merry moat
If it's in the game just play it
manic bobcat
or you can use it like Achilles use his shield in Troy, mostly for flexing on Hector
terse geyser
you can hide behind your shield, or you can slap some aphro attack on it, grab some ice wine, and clobber your enemies
which is more fun
and it sounds like that's what you're doing, so don't listen to all this talk of cowardice
@mortal wadi
west sedge
Tried to find in faq/wiki, couldn't find. Does anyone know if boons/upgrades that up attack dmg % for spear increase the damage on the sweep attack? Or are they considered separate
surreal beacon
they do
terse geyser
boons that increase attack damage also affect spear spin
surreal beacon
sweep attack is part of your attack
terse geyser
debuffs from the dad aspect do not affect the spin though
west sedge
Cool. Okay. Is there a source that can answer these kinds of questions? I tried the wiki but doesn't seem to have that kind of info
surreal beacon
this discord 😛
but jokes aside, generally speaking, any "special" part of a regular move is considered the same move
i.e. dash-upper on fists is buffed by special damage buffs, etc.
terse geyser
the wiki doesn't have enough people working on it, they're probably absolutely swamped since v1.0 dropped
maiden mulch
Whether it's an attack or a special is determined by which button you're using to activate it and nothing else
Everything that the attack button does is an attack, everything that the special button does is a special, even if they're able to do multiple things based on context or holding down
west sedge
Alright I appreciate the info. Thanks!
jade crescent
just faced ||charon|| for the first time, I had just picked up cursed blade, and I wanted to see how he fought so I sat back a little bit, but got hit by 2 abilities and instantly lost a DD, so I just had to spam my sword at him lmao
I really like the hole in the wall attacks though
terse geyser
hole in the wall attacks?
jade crescent
he does a string of orbs that run across the area, and there's one or two spots that are open
jade crescent
not too big of a fan of his double swing though, it's not projected too much, but that could just be because I didn't get to watch him much
tepid walrus
Is there any word on the game coming to GOG? I'd be pretty annoyed if it came to gog after I buy it
terse geyser
@summer loom have you considered holding your controller in one hand and a mouse in the other?
summer loom
Lol, does that work?
mellow finch
Sry meant dork side
I will have to steal that expression.
summer loom
Well, I might actually reinstall the game now on my pc!
quaint hatch
Just be sure to mention
Brought to you by vo1di
In small text
summer loom
Though I'd love it on switch
quaint hatch
Or PayPal me 69 cents
dusk hawk
I just completed a 13 heat gun run but it the pact of punishment still shows it as incomplete. Has anyone had this happen before? I also checked the archives and it says that my last run was a successful escape on 13 heat.
summer loom
The achievement goes up 1 heat at a time
It's for the heat rewards
Not tied to your highest
calm orbit
Anyone else's control screen not matching their controller? eg. game says attack is mapped to Y when it's X, using a Pro controller
it inputs fine but the tips like with Skelly say "press y to attack" when it's x
coral verge
isn't the Switch Pro buttons swapped?
dusk hawk
@summer loom Hmm, maybe my highest heat gun run was 11 before this and not 12
summer loom
If you play on 2 heat, beat it 3 times, you have heat 1 and 2 rewards
If you play on heat 3, beat it 3 times, you'll have heat 1 2 and 3 rewards
Beat 10 heat, but only have 2 heat rewards, you'll get them
calm orbit
hmm yeah looking at an Xbox controller, that makes sense, everything that's weird is correct if I had an xbox controller
potent carbon
what's the best fists aspect?
coral verge
4th fists
maiden mulch
would Fated Persuasion be too broken if it worked on hammers?
fading flower
so last night my game crashed when i made it to a boss fight in Elysium. Today when i made it to elysium the screen was completely broken. im about to play back through to get there. has anyone else had this issue or anything similar to it?
maiden mulch
i guess it would also make it a misplay to use it on boons at that point
narrow hemlock
not only broken but rerolling hammers leads to less overall replayability because you're just using the same build every run. fun initially, sure, but gets boring
I could only see rerolling hammers if it was a mirror option to do either boons or hammers. either or, not both
wind nest
fated persuasion is allready kinda broken
at max rank you have enough rolls to comfortably roll most boons in the late game
doubling your shot for a duo or legendary is pretty nice
still sand
I need one more Daedelus upgrade and it absolutely refuses to give it to me when I pick up the hammer
I'm gonna scream
sharp fossil
make sure you aren’t using an aspect that can’t get it
brisk trail
Hi, I wanna ask.. If I've unlocked all weapons and skills by using the Keys, are there any other uses for the Keys? Or is it okay for me to trade them away on Wretcher Broker?
sharp fossil
charged flight + zeus shield can’t happen, for example
pretty much okay to trade keys
fringe garnet
anyone read any good SG public comments/interviews on Hades post-launch? i'm sure we'll get a NoClip doc eventually but i really wanna read what they're saying/thinking now that it's out
crisp rover
guys do boons really reset every time i die?
sharp fossil
there’s a couple of very late game aesthetic items that require them, but you earn enough you don’t need to worry about saving imo
fringe garnet
@brisk trail there is one other thing you might potentially want to save keys for ||eventually, you can purchase a FLAVOR-ONLY UI change that costs 200 keys. I traded a bunch of keys away before realizing this and had (only very slight) regret.||
brisk trail
I see. Thanks for the answers!
sharp fossil
@crisp rover yup, welcome to roguelikes
craggy tide
Hello, I played the game in early access, should i start fresh in 1.0 ?
crisp rover
@sharp fossil thanks.. that's sad tho
fringe garnet
@craggy tide totally up to you. You will probably see different things. Progression is a bit faster. But you won't miss anything of substance by continuing
fringe garnet
conversations occur randomly sometimes though, so you might see something you never saw before or hear something you previously saw late early, and vice versa
craggy tide
ok thanks @fringe garnet haven't beaten the big bad wolf at the end so I prolly won't miss much
ionic hamlet
Hey guys I am very new to rougelikes. What should I priorities doing in Hades?
terse geyser
play the game, grab darkness and keys
sharp fossil
having fun
ionic hamlet
I am having fun, even though I am getting destroyed lol
terse geyser
unlike some in roguelikes, you get stronger when you die
sharp fossil
give all your nectar to bouldy
maiden mulch
priority #1 is unlocking weapons, priority #2 is the mirror, specifically the first 9 upgrades (the later 3 can be more of a long term goal)
ionic hamlet
@sharp fossil I gave my first nectar to hades. Which he didn't appreciate
maiden mulch
actually wait, those are 2 and 3 respectively, #1 is petting Cerberus before every run
sharp fossil
oof hades mean
novel spindle
Anyone else miss those random narrator death descriptions from early access? I realized last run that they could implement them when you give up mid run. So when you give up, the narrator has to come up with some random reason for dying just like in the early access. Can someone write this in the feedback channel? I haven't figured out how to write there
dim nymph
Hi guys, first , felicitation for your games supergiant, love it.
i just bought today hades on epic game store ( erk sorry ) and i play in version Beta V0.31588 , is it normal ? the game is in version 1.0 on steam no ?
sharp fossil
only bouldy truly appreciates a good vintage
ionic hamlet
@maiden mulch Does petting cerb do something?
near comet
welp
ionic hamlet
Beside make me feel amazing?
near comet
im laughing my ass off]
maiden mulch
do you need a reason to pet him?
ionic hamlet
No
sharp fossil
there you go, then
fringe garnet
it helps a good boy realize he's a good boy
near comet
aspect of lucifer + eternal chamber + zeus attack + support fire + pressure points go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
fringe garnet
don't you want to show him what a good boy he is?
fringe garnet
@novel spindle late-game post-credits spoilers ||the random death descriptions return when you beat Hades after seeing the credits. though, i have seen a LOT of people in feedback not liking this because it doesn't make sense anymore and wanting to continue on to see more Greece. i think your proposal (they play when you "give up") is a great solution!||
brisk trail
any tips for last boss?
ionic hamlet
How do you unlock double dash?
maiden mulch
get to him with as much health and defiances as you can and focus on learning his patterns, the attacks are all clearly telegraphed but punishing
novel spindle
How do you unlock double dash?
@ionic hamlet
Mirror, hermes boon, or fists hidden aspect
ionic hamlet
The only reason Meg keeps killing me is because I can't dash far enough away from it
And because Im trash, but thats not the point
novel spindle
Zagreus sword used to increase dash distance XD
brisk trail
Is there a way to deduce the correct door on Styx, or it's pure RNG?
still sand
It has to be pure RNG but I swear every time I go through the coin door the bag is there
quaint hatch
Mirror is permanent double dash
ionic hamlet
That moment when you dash into a trap.....and it kills you 😄
novel spindle
Is there a way to deduce the correct door on Styx, or it's pure RNG?
@brisk trail what do you mean by "correct" door? On styx?
coral verge
Door's never your first choice, it's just 2 to 5 pick your choice
brisk trail
Yeah, most of the time, it's coin door. I'm just curious if there's some percentage thingy for that. Srsly though, that hidden boss on Styx is way harder than others
@brisk trail what do you mean by "correct" door? On styx?
@novel spindle Oof, sorry, I assume you haven't reached there?
coral verge
everything
arctic umbra
thanks. I assumed so
But what's the point of it then? I got like 3/4s through, realized I wasn't strong enough so i just let enemies kill me
coral verge
your seed stays the same so you can restart fast with some knowledge of that particular hunt
sweet python
alternatively if you accidentally start with the wrong keepsake or w/e
arctic umbra
ahhh
sweet python
if you want a completely new run you should let yourself get killed
coarse yacht
has supergiant announced if they are going to continue to update hades post launch?
or are they just going to go straight into working on a new game?
sharp fossil
all they’ve announced so far is that they’ll be taking a break (well deserved imo) before deciding what to do next
opaque nexus
I forgot how fun arthur aspect is
novel spindle
@novel spindle Oof, sorry, I assume you haven't reached there?
@brisk trail if you are talking about the satyr sack when you are looking for the "correct door" then yeah i reached it, i just couldn't understand what you meant at first
brisk trail
@brisk trail if you are talking about the satyr sack when you are looking for the "correct door" then yeah i reached it, i just couldn't understand what you meant at first
@novel spindle Yea that's what I meant.
barren ocean
Not sure if this is a bug or not so wanted to discuss it first, but i find when using Adamant Rail, when i use the special, it will indicate at an area as a fire but then move? a second later?
Not sure if its because im in the process of moving/dashing and the game is reading my movement?
novel spindle
Sometimes if you shoot from behind a pillar, your shot will bounce off the pillar
novel spindle
Np
brisk trail
Called it a day. Twice getting my ass handed back to me by ||King Vermin & its minions, despite having Skully Teeth & 3 Defiances, was using Chiron bow.||
Haven't been able to clear it even once using bow or spear.
barren ocean
thats a mood
novel spindle
Bow is pretty hard imo
novel spindle
Though ironically it was the weapon i used best at the beggining
ionic hamlet
@novel spindle Bow just saved me sooo hard
opaque nexus
Only bow I use is the 4th one
novel spindle
I think i just got too used to the melee style and so lost the habit of shooting from a safe distance
still sand
After playing nothing but the rail, when I went back to shield it felt so weird
opaque nexus
I used to like the rail but idk if I do anymore
brisk trail
Hestia rail with that homing upgrade = 👍
novel spindle
Reloading with the rail is so annoying, and the gap between shots when you have infinite ammo is even more annoying
still sand
I switched reload to left trigger and felt like a dream
novel spindle
My main problem is when im holding the fire button so it keeps clicking and wont reload until much later
chilly plank
I swapped the reload and interact button
coral verge
I just use Zag rail for the 24 ammo or Hestia? with sniper reload
opaque nexus
Reload is on one of my additional mouse buttons
still sand
exactly what I did. And I run the aspect that makes your next shot more powerful after a reload so I reloaded at every oppurunuty
So I never got to the point where it would click
opaque nexus
Hestia rail is slightly more bearable than the rest
novel spindle
I went with zag an a lot of ammo
chilly plank
Anyone know if you can get Aphrodite's and Demeter's duo from Aphrodite? Or does the initial get have to be from Demeter?
coral verge
both works
novel spindle
I think you can get the duo from either of the duo gods
spark dragon
is there a set number of rooms per level?
novel spindle
More or less yeah
chilly plank
Shoot.... then I'm just super unlucky... it's the last boon I need from any of the gods to fulfill the prophecy
novel spindle
You can squeeze an extra room or two in certain cases but otherwise the number is fixed
brisk trail
is there a set number of rooms per level?
@spark dragon I think so... First boss almost always on chamber 16, second boss on chamber 24, third boss on chamber 36
spark dragon
do chaos rooms count toward the total?
coral verge
you'll get used to fishing timing sooner or later
novel spindle
Yeah but with a chaos room you can squeeze an extra room
jade crescent
well I have to delay the key press to see if it's a bait bob
brisk trail
I enjoy fishing here more than on MHW for some reason lol
novel spindle
If the chaos room is just before the boss you get an extra room pretty much
jade crescent
I don't have timing to determine if it's real or not except I know the 4th bob is true
novel spindle
I can only perfect catch if im lucky, cause i have to press as soon as the bob goes down, and if its a fake bob im screwed
So usually i just go for normal catch and make sure of getting the fish
coral verge
there's a fixed timing, the bop goes down faster if it's a fish
novel spindle
No way am i able to notice that
coral verge
can try using a stopwatch and check the intervals
novel spindle
Ah you mean the wait between bobs is shorter on a catch?
brisk trail
Btw the dialogue on this game is truly remarkable. I laughed at Zag's attempts on motivational speeches on the administration chamber.
coral verge
yea
novel spindle
I thought you meant that the speed of the bob going underwater was faster and i was shocked someone could even notice such a thing
still sand
I am constantly impressed by the sheer amount of dialogue in this game
jade crescent
I love the messages after killing the final boss after the credits roll
and EM3 theseus fight is hilarious
novel spindle
I reached the credits roll but haven't managed to beat the boss since
terse geyser
@jade crescent have you ever stepped on a rake?
jade crescent
lol what
jade crescent
I ran head first into a wall because it was painted like an exit
novel spindle
Is it one of the narrator deaths?
jade crescent
although I had a death defiance, I guess head wall splatter is just a final death
terse geyser
I like when he runs out of ideas. Those are the best ones
novel spindle
Anyone know how to post msgs on feedback channel?
terse geyser
check the pinned messages there
mossy lily
temple of styx be like
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/163382741491122176/759963869371826196/ratzone.mov
distant locust
Is their a reason why the lambert plume doesn’t work durin the Styx part ?
novel spindle
Probably cause its too easy
The rooms are so small that 99/10 you are going to finish fast
mossy lily
only the last room of the reward will count towards the plume
quaint hatch
^
ionic hamlet
So, I have a diamond. What do I do with it?
terse geyser
buy stuff, once it's offered
novel spindle
Save it and never trade it
ionic hamlet
Killing the hydra was pretty difficult
terse geyser
you probably need more than one though. just don't worry about it for now
ionic hamlet
But Aegis really helped
brisk trail
Talking of Diamonds: What are the best things to unlock with it?
Already used 3 diamonds. Have 3 left. Is there any perk which I should buy first?
Does the rod is worth it?
terse geyser
the rod is worth it
ionic hamlet
Is there a tier list for the boons?
brisk trail
And after the rod?
Should I go with +5 max hp when collecting darkness? Or +1 boon lv when collecting nectar? Or something else?
quaint hatch
In the codex there's a list
Preference
But I'd save them up
As I said for a lot of character specific quests you need diamonds
brisk trail
Okay. ty.
quaint hatch
Ur Welcome
mossy lily
void vigil
@quaint hatch please dont make jokes like that